90 Km/h speed Limit on Highbury Ave. London
Cam Bevers
County. Highbury Avenue, which runs St. Thomas to Hwy 7, has a 90 Km/h
limit on most of it's northern length. There isn't anything extraordinary
about this road - it is like any other rural 2-lane road in Ontario. The
section between Medway Rd. and Hwy 7 is well-known by motorists for its high
speed limit! When Canada went Metric in the 70s, the 55 mph (equal to 88
Km/h) speed limit on most rural roads was rounded down to 80 Km/h as a
fuel-conservation tool. Some counties rounded the speed limit up to 90
Km/h. Apart from Highbury Ave. (and Granton Line, virtually a northern
extention of Highbury) does anyone know of any other Southern Ontario road
that is not controlled access with limits above the "normal" 80 Km/h??
Why not give higher rural speed limits a try? Who knows - Maybe some
day we can do things European style, and raise the limit on all reasonably
straight open rural roads to 100 Km/h!
Cameron Bevers
email: cam...@colonialacres.com
Snickerdo
Middlesex
> County. Highbury Avenue, which runs St. Thomas to Hwy 7, has a 90 Km/h
> limit on most of it's northern length. There isn't anything extraordinary
> about this road - it is like any other rural 2-lane road in Ontario. The
> section between Medway Rd. and Hwy 7 is well-known by motorists for its
high
> speed limit! When Canada went Metric in the 70s, the 55 mph (equal to 88
> Km/h) speed limit on most rural roads was rounded down to 80 Km/h as a
> fuel-conservation tool. Some counties rounded the speed limit up to 90
> Km/h. Apart from Highbury Ave. (and Granton Line, virtually a northern
> extention of Highbury) does anyone know of any other Southern Ontario road
> that is not controlled access with limits above the "normal" 80 Km/h??
Can't think of any in the GTA or Golden Horseshoe. In fact, most (if not
all) rural roads here that are limited access (The 406 south of Beverdams
Road and parts of Highway 20 are the only limited-access rual roads I can
think of) have a speed limit of 60 or 70KM/h! But how about we take take
this a step further? How about freeways with low speed limits (below
100KM/h) ? I can list several of those... :)
Highway 406 starting north of the Fourth Ave Interchange to just south of
Westchester Ave is 80KM/h, and between Westchester Ave and the St. Paul
Street Viaduct it's 70KM/h.
Highway 420, 80KM/h just off the QEW off-ramps, 60KM/h the rest of the
freeway portion. The at-grade portion is 50KM/h. I have noticed thoug that
it looks like the MTO is limiting access on this section of the road! There
are several jersey barriers blocking crossroads, so now only one crossing
(the traffic light south of Stanley Ave) exits.
Don Valley Parkway in Toronto is 80-90KM/h its entire route, with curves and
bends going as low as 50. If you need to ask why then you aren't someone
from the GTA :)
Gardiner Expressway is 90KM/h.
Highway 400 through Barrie is 90KM/h
Highway 115 is 80KM/h for several large portions.
Conestoga Parkway, like you said, is now 90KM/h.
A small little 417-connector freeway in Ottawa along the Riedau (spelling?)
Canal is 60KM/h.
Are there any others? What about the E.C Row Expressway in Windsor? My
guess would be 90KM/h for this road too.
> Why not give higher rural speed limits a try? Who knows - Maybe some
> day we can do things European style, and raise the limit on all reasonably
> straight open rural roads to 100 Km/h!
That's the speed limit on Alberta, BC and Sasketchewan rural roads
(100KM/h), with freeways having speed limits of 110-120KM/h. Manatoba (if I
remember correctly) has a province-wide rural speed limit of 90KM/h and a
freeway limit of 100. The chances of Ontario rasing the speed limits on
rural roads is slim, and if what I remember is correct the 'unofficial'
speed limit on rural roads is 100KM/h anyway (and on freeways it's 120).
Meaning that the OPP or whoever can still ticket you for going over 80, but
if they have better things to do or are in a good mood they won't :) You'll
notice all the Ontario traffic ticket price signs all over the place don't
even start until 120KM/h, on both freeways and rural roads. (120 is
something like $35, whereas 200KM/h is $240! :) ).
Chris Bessert
>
> [...]
> Are there any others? What about the E.C Row Expressway in Windsor? My
> guess would be 90KM/h for this road too.
Nope. 100 km/h. It's pretty straight and has a wide median, so not
much reason to have it any lower.
Later,
Chris
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Snickerdo
> much reason to have it any lower.
Ah. I always thought it was squished in. How many lanes is it by chance?
Cam Bevers
length.
Cameron Bevers
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Snickerdo
> length.
Thanks!
Chris Bessert
>
> As far as I know, the E.C. Rowe is four lanes divided for most of it's
> length.
Yup. Four lanes, divided its entire length, from Ojibway Pkwy on the
west to Banwell Rd on the east. (Banwell Rd is the municipal boundary
between the City of Windsor and the Town of Tecumseh, and where the
new Co Rd 22 number begins as well.)
Chris Bessert
>
> As far as I know, the E.C. Rowe is four lanes divided for most of it's
> length.
Oh, and not to nitpick (then again, that's what we do on this news-
group, isn't it?), there's no final 'e' in E.C. Row.
bbruzzes
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I seem to recall that Commissioners Rd west of London was also 90 km/h.
However, I am not sure about this.
Parts of Hwy 11 are 4 lane non-controlled access and have a speed limit of
100 km/h.
>
> Cameron Bevers
> email: cam...@colonialacres.com
>
>
Snickerdo
> However, I am not sure about this.
> Parts of Hwy 11 are 4 lane non-controlled access and have a speed limit of
> 100 km/h.
I believe some two-lane portions are as well, and sections of Highway 17 are
100KM/h too. Highway 11 and 17 are the only highways a driver with a G1 can
drive on that has a speed limit of more then 80KM/h :)
Brent Hooton
"Snickerdo" <snic...@home.com> wrote:
> > Other Ontario municipalities shoud take a hint from London and
> Middlesex
> > County. Highbury Avenue, which runs St. Thomas to Hwy 7, has a 90
Km/h
> > limit on most of it's northern length.
<snip>
> > Apart from Highbury Ave. (and Granton Line, virtually a northern
> > extention of Highbury) does anyone know of any other Southern
Ontario road
> > that is not controlled access with limits above the "normal" 80
Km/h??
The only other examples that come to mind are other Middlesex county
roads... I don't remember specifics, though, since I discovered them
one night while out for a random, "let's get lost"-type drive. (How
one can get lost on a NS/EW sideroad system is debateable, but that's
besides the point...:) )
How strict is speed enforcement on rural Highbury? They have lots of
signs, and painted markers on the road for aerial surveilance, but I
don't know how much of that is just "for show".
> Don Valley Parkway in Toronto is 80-90KM/h its entire route, with
curves and
> bends going as low as 50. If you need to ask why then you aren't
someone
> from the GTA :)
More nit-picking: the DVP is 90 km/h for its entire route, Gardiner-401.
> A small little 417-connector freeway in Ottawa along the Riedau
(spelling?)
> Canal is 60KM/h.
Are you referring to the Ottawa River Pkwy.?
> That's the speed limit on Alberta, BC and Sasketchewan rural roads
> (100KM/h), with freeways having speed limits of 110-120KM/h.
Manatoba (if I
> remember correctly) has a province-wide rural speed limit of 90KM/h
and a
> freeway limit of 100.
Rural roads out in the Maritimes range from 80-100, but the 80 is
generally a road built to a lower standard than typical Ontario (ex-)
provincial highways. (And rural 4-lane freeways are generally 110.)
If I remember grade 9 geography, isn't the typical distance between
farms further out in the Prairies than in Ontario (based on the lot
surveying methods employed)?
Brent
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Snickerdo
My mistake :)
> Are you referring to the Ottawa River Pkwy.?
No, I don't think the Ottawa River Parkway passes anywhere near the 417,
though I could be wrong.
Cam Bevers
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> In article <1DhF5.128754>
How strict is speed enforcement on rural Highbury? They have lots of signs,
and painted markers on the road for aerial surveilance, but I don't know how
much of that is just "for show".
I discovered Highbury while on a London business trip in 1996. In all
of the time since, I have never seen a cruiser or a plane doing radar on
this road. I have driven this road at 110-115 Km/h, and have been passed by
transport trucks
> A small little 417-connector freeway in Ottawa along the Riedau
> (spelling?)
> > Canal is 60KM/h.
> Are you referring to the Ottawa River Pkwy.?
I think he means the Nicholas Street connector from Bytown to the 417.
Nicholas follows the Rideau Canal, so this might be the road. Is it??
Cameron Bevers
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Cam Bevers
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Parts of Hwy 11 are 4 lane non-controlled access and have a speed limit
of 100 km/h.
Almost all major routes in Northern Ontario (ie. north of the Severn
River) are at least a 90 Km/h limit. They include almost all of Hwy's 11,
17, 61, 69, 71, and some of 101, 102, 144 and oddly, almost the entire
length of Secondary Highway 655. The controlled access sections of these
routes (where applicable) is usually 100 Km/h.
Cameron Bevers
email: cam...@colonialacres.com
bbruzzes
Middlesex
> County. Highbury Avenue, which runs St. Thomas to Hwy 7, has a 90 Km/h
> limit on most of it's northern length. There isn't anything extraordinary
> about this road - it is like any other rural 2-lane road in Ontario. The
> section between Medway Rd. and Hwy 7 is well-known by motorists for its
high
> speed limit!
between Hamilton Rd and the 401 is 100 km/h. Mind you it is mostly
controlled access (Used to be called Hwy 126 Weinge Expwy up to about 10
years ago), but it does have a traffic signal at the interchange with the
401.
Brad Bruzzese
Cam Bevers
highways (11, 17, 61, 69, 71, 102, 655) are only 90 Km/h. Sections of
Hwy's 101 and 144 are also roads with a 90 Km/h limit - along the south end
of Wawa Lake and the Sudbury Bypass, respectively. The controlled access
sections of these routes is almost exclusively 100 Km/h.
A driver carrying a G1 license is prohibited from driving on a King's
Highway with a speed limit greater that 80 Km/h except these nine Northern
routes. They are also excluded from driving on certain municipal roads with
a limit of more that 80 Km/h (such as the Gardiner Expwy, Don Valley Pkwy,
and Conestoga Pkwy). Interestingly, Highbury Avenue is not listed as a
restricted roadway for G1 license holders, including the short controlled
access section of Highbury Avenue with a 100 Km/h limit!
Cameron Bevers
email: cam...@colonialacres.com
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> > I seem to recall that Commissioners Rd west of London was also 90 km/h.
> > However, I am not sure about this.
> > Parts of Hwy 11 are 4 lane non-controlled access and have a speed limit
of
> > 100 km/h.
>
Snickerdo
> Nicholas follows the Rideau Canal, so this might be the road. Is it??
Yes, I think that is it. I know that there is a road that runs alongside
the freeway, I'll have to ask my friend what it is.
Snickerdo
Northern
> highways (11, 17, 61, 69, 71, 102, 655) are only 90 Km/h. Sections of
> Hwy's 101 and 144 are also roads with a 90 Km/h limit - along the south
end
> of Wawa Lake and the Sudbury Bypass, respectively. The controlled access
> sections of these routes is almost exclusively 100 Km/h.
> A driver carrying a G1 license is prohibited from driving on a King's
> Highway with a speed limit greater that 80 Km/h except these nine Northern
> routes. They are also excluded from driving on certain municipal roads
with
> a limit of more that 80 Km/h (such as the Gardiner Expwy, Don Valley Pkwy,
> and Conestoga Pkwy). Interestingly, Highbury Avenue is not listed as a
> restricted roadway for G1 license holders, including the short controlled
> access section of Highbury Avenue with a 100 Km/h limit!
I think I'm going to have to do more nit-picking :) The Ontario G1 Drivers
Manual SPECIFICLY states that a driver with a G1 licence may NOT drive on
ANY controlled-access road which includes, but is not limited to, the
400-series highways, the QEW, Gardiner Expressway, Don Valley Parkway, E.C.
Row Expressway, Conestoga Parkway, etc. Highburry Ave and Highway 58 in
Niagara would be included in this list even though they aren't specificly
listed. This also means that if I had a G1 I would be prohibbited from
taking the 406 from Westchester Ave to Fourth Ave in St. Catharines, even
though the speed limit is 80KM/h. You are also not allowed to drive on any
road with a speed limit of greater then 80KM/h except for, originally, the
11 and 17, though I think the 101 and 144 were some time after to the list.
You can get more information here
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/gradu/automobile.htm, interestinly they
don't list the 80KM/h speed limit requirment for G1 drivers. Maybe this was
removed this year all together!
Cam Bevers
Cameron
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>
> Cam Bevers <cam...@colonialacres.com> wrote in message
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> > Other Ontario municipalities shoud take a hint from London and
> Middlesex
> > County. Highbury Avenue, which runs St. Thomas to Hwy 7, has a 90 Km/h
> > limit on most of it's northern length. There isn't anything
extraordinary
> > about this road - it is like any other rural 2-lane road in Ontario.
The
> > section between Medway Rd. and Hwy 7 is well-known by motorists for its
> high
> > speed limit!
Snickerdo
> the freeway, I'll have to ask my friend what it is.
Actually, does Colonel By Drive ring a bell?
Cam Bevers
of the Rideau Canal. It is federally owned and maintained, but it is not
controlled access and has (if I remember correctly) a 40 Km/h speed limit.
On the eastern side of the Rideau Canal, runs Nicholas Street which is
4-lanes divided, but with only one interchange at its southern terminus at
Hwy 417.
Cameron
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Cam Bevers
who works for my company. He received his G1 license in April, and that is
how he described the conditions for his G1 license. This student, knowing I
was a roadgeek asked me how close these "unrestricted" highways (ie. 11, 17,
69 etc.) were to Kitchener. He was disappointed when I told him they were
all the way up North!!
It may sound selfish, but I'm really glad that I got my license when
times were simpler in Ontario!!
Cameron Bevers
email: cam...@colonialacres.com
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