Germany: Using IC/EC/ICE-trains with Interrail

Siebrand Tilma

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Dec 18, 2002, 5:00:12 PM12/18/02

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In the new German ticket system, separate supplements for IC/EC and
ICE-trains have been abolished. You can only buy combined tickets that
include the supplement.

How does that work if I want to use one of them with my
Interrail-pass? Can I use these trains without a supplement or do they
have special supplements for pass-holders?

Groeten, Siebrand

Rian van der Borgt

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Dec 18, 2002, 5:18:14 PM12/18/02

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Siebrand Tilma wrote:
>In the new German ticket system, separate supplements for IC/EC and
>ICE-trains have been abolished. You can only buy combined tickets that
>include the supplement.

That's the internal German system. ICE supplements ("Aufpreis") still
exist for TCV tickets and I presume are also required for Interrail.

>How does that work if I want to use one of them with my
>Interrail-pass? Can I use these trains without a supplement or do they
>have special supplements for pass-holders?

So you still need ICE supplements. Not sure about IC/EC supplements
though. They still exist for FIP coupons for example, but not for TCV
tickets.

Regards,

Rian

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Phil Richards

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Dec 19, 2002, 3:04:11 PM12/19/02

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On 18 Dec 2002 22:18:14 GMT Rian van der Borgt <rvdb...@xs4all.nl>
said...

> So you still need ICE supplements. Not sure about IC/EC supplements
> though. They still exist for FIP coupons for example, but not for TCV
> tickets.

Always used to be so easy with FIP free passes - you would buy 1 IC/EC
"Zuschlag" ticket (out of the machine) for any journey regardless of the
number of changes (the same as ordinary tickets). For ICE you just had to
buy 2 IC/EC "Zuschlag" tickets. I wonder if the same arrangements still
exist? Presumably with the new fares structure it's no longer possible to
buy the IC/EC "Zuschlag" out of the machine?

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Phil Richards
Stroud Green, London, N4

Rian van der Borgt

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Dec 19, 2002, 3:23:32 PM12/19/02

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Phil Richards wrote:
>On 18 Dec 2002 22:18:14 GMT Rian van der Borgt <rvdb...@xs4all.nl>
>said...
>>So you still need ICE supplements. Not sure about IC/EC supplements
>>though. They still exist for FIP coupons for example, but not for TCV
>>tickets.
>
>Always used to be so easy with FIP free passes - you would buy 1 IC/EC
>"Zuschlag" ticket (out of the machine) for any journey regardless of the
>number of changes (the same as ordinary tickets). For ICE you just had to
>buy 2 IC/EC "Zuschlag" tickets. I wonder if the same arrangements still
>exist?

According to my knowledge: yes. And there's also a new "ICE-Sperrliste"
(list of forbidden ICEs).

>Presumably with the new fares structure it's no longer possible to
>buy the IC/EC "Zuschlag" out of the machine?

You're still supposed to be able te get them out of the machine,
according to my info. I'll check the coming weekend (if I don't forget
it).

David Eerdmans

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Dec 19, 2002, 4:08:45 PM12/19/02

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> Phil Richards wrote:
>
> >Always used to be so easy with FIP free passes - you would buy 1 IC/EC
> >"Zuschlag" ticket (out of the machine) for any journey regardless of the

> >number of changes (the same as ordinary tickets). For ICE you just had
to
> >buy 2 IC/EC "Zuschlag" tickets. I wonder if the same arrangements still
> >exist?
>
> According to my knowledge: yes. And there's also a new "ICE-Sperrliste"
> (list of forbidden ICEs).

Is the Sperrliste only meant for FIP holders, or also for holders of passes
(Interrail, etc).

Regards,
David

Phil Richards

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Dec 19, 2002, 5:13:57 PM12/19/02

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On 19 Dec 2002 21:08:45 GMT David Eerdmans <usen...@xs4all.nl> said...

> > According to my knowledge: yes. And there's also a new "ICE-Sperrliste"
> > (list of forbidden ICEs).
>
> Is the Sperrliste only meant for FIP holders, or also for holders of passes
> (Interrail, etc).

Only for FIP holders, restrictions being on busy trains, normally over
the weekend and not always for the full journey. We have a list in the UK
of trains restricted to rail staff, though it's only for those employed
here.

Inter Rail (& all the other passes) would be valid on all ICE services on
payment of the usual supplement.

Phil Richards

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Dec 20, 2002, 2:46:11 PM12/20/02

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On 19 Dec 2002 20:23:32 GMT Rian van der Borgt <rvdb...@xs4all.nl>
said...

> According to my knowledge: yes. And there's also a new "ICE-Sperrliste"
> (list of forbidden ICEs).

Coincidence or what but a contact of mine sent me the list. I won't
publish it here as it only affects rail staff, I'll send the list (MS
Word file) to anyone who wants it (email me off the newsgroup please).

A summary of supplements for FIP free coupon holders on DB IC/ICE
services is as follows:

The following supplements ('DB Mitarbeiter Aufpreis') are payable by
staff holding International Coupon Tickets:

IC: €3.60 (1st and 2nd class)
ICE: €7.20 (1st and 2nd class)
IC Sprinter €15.00* (1st class)
€10.00** (2nd class)

* - includes compulsory reservation, snack and non-alcoholic drinks
** - includes compulsory reservation

Rian van der Borgt

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Dec 26, 2002, 8:24:42 PM12/26/02

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Rian van der Borgt wrote:

>Phil Richards wrote:
>>Always used to be so easy with FIP free passes - you would buy 1 IC/EC
>>"Zuschlag" ticket (out of the machine) for any journey regardless of the
>>number of changes (the same as ordinary tickets). For ICE you just had to
>>buy 2 IC/EC "Zuschlag" tickets. I wonder if the same arrangements still
>>exist?

>>Presumably with the new fares structure it's no longer possible to
>>buy the IC/EC "Zuschlag" out of the machine?
>
>You're still supposed to be able te get them out of the machine,
>according to my info. I'll check the coming weekend (if I don't forget
>it).

I checked and you can, from the touch screen machines.