When was N&W blue?
Christopher Kevin Balducci
In what years did the N&W have a blue scheme?
C.B.
Tim O'Connor
cbal...@whale.st.usm.edu (Christopher Kevin Balducci) wrote:
> In what years did the N&W have a blue scheme?
Wasn't this just restenciled Wabash units? The Wabash was absorbed about
1965-1966 (don't know exact date) and it had a dark blue scheme at that
time. So my guess is the scheme existed in the late 1960's and maybe into
the early 1970's.
Tim O'Connor <toco...@bbn.com>
BBN Systems & Technologies
Cambridge, Massachusetts
D. Michael McIntyre
On 25 Feb 1997 18:27:44 GMT, Tim O'Connor <toco...@bbn.com> wrote:
>cbal...@whale.st.usm.edu (Christopher Kevin Balducci) wrote:
>
>> In what years did the N&W have a blue scheme?
>
>Wasn't this just restenciled Wabash units? The Wabash was absorbed about
>1965-1966 (don't know exact date) and it had a dark blue scheme at that
>time. So my guess is the scheme existed in the late 1960's and maybe into
>the early 1970's.
I don't know about that. I don't have the answer to the original
question, but I do know that the N&W had several former Virginian
Trainmasters that were also painted in a blue and yellow scheme, and
those units were predominantly yellow in their VGN livery.
In the January 1996 issue of Trains they did an article on the TMs.
Somewhere in there is a photo of the last run of a Trainmaster, and in
that photo one unit is painted in the more recent black and white NW
scheme and the other is painted dark blue with the yellow circular N&W
herald.
It must have been more than just re-stenciling the Wabash units for
them to have had ex-VGN units in the same scheme.
There's an Alco C628 or something like that (I'm not really familiar
with Alco units, so I probably have the model number wrong. This unit
was rebuilt using Trainmaster trucks.) sitting in the Virginia Museum
of Transportation that's also wearing a blue and yellow N&W scheme. I
don't remember the heritage of that unit though. It may well have
been Wabash, but even still, why keep the paint when they rebuilt the
thing if the N&W never had a blue scheme to begin with?
I'm not old enough to remember any of this though, so I will leave it
to someone out there to come up with the final answer. I can only
offer evidence that makes the previous supposition seem unlikely.
If anyone out there has the answer to this question, I'd like to hear
it. I've been wondering about it myself.
D. Michael McIntyre
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Chris R. Toth
On 21 Feb 1997 23:12:14 GMT, cbal...@whale.st.usm.edu (Christopher
Kevin Balducci) wrote:
> In what years did the N&W have a blue scheme?
The N&W blue period began in 1966 and was applied to virtually all
types of equipment, including locomotives freight cars and cabooses.
The blue period lasted until 1971.
Chris R. Toth
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In article <33159ece....@news.ohio.net>, ct...@ohio.net (Chris R.
Toth) wrote:
>On 21 Feb 1997 23:12:14 GMT, cbal...@whale.st.usm.edu (Christopher
>Kevin Balducci) wrote:
>
>> In what years did the N&W have a blue scheme?
>
>The N&W blue period began in 1966 and was applied to virtually all
>types of equipment, including locomotives freight cars and cabooses.
>The blue period lasted until 1971.
This also somewhat coincides with the presidency of Herman Pevlar, who
came to the N&W from the Wabash. Hence, the blue (which was also
applied to some passenger cars, too) was dubbed "Pevlar Blue." Someone
found the paint specs for this particular shade of blue and mixed up
a batch for N&W modelers who cover this time period.
Bruce in Blacksburg
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Tim O'Connor
ct...@ohio.net (Chris R. Toth) wrote:
> The N&W blue period began in 1966 and was applied to virtually all
> types of equipment, including locomotives freight cars and cabooses.
> The blue period lasted until 1971.
So, maybe Wabash had a big stockpile of blue paint, and N&W used that
until it was all gone?
cjw...@wavegate.com
In article <33159ece....@news.ohio.net>,
> Kevin Balducci) wrote:
>
> > In what years did the N&W have a blue scheme?
>
> types of equipment, including locomotives freight cars and cabooses.
> The blue period lasted until 1971.
>
The blue paint was favored by N&W Chief Executive Herman Pevler, formerly
president of Wabash (which also favored blue paint). With his
replacement on April 8, 1970 by John Fishwick, Mr. Fishwick promptly came
up with the new image of the simple NW logo with black paint.
Many N&W employees referred to the blue as Pevler blue. Since the N&W
was very conservative when it came to spending money unnecessarily, the
blue remained around in greatly faded condition throughout the seventies
and maybe into the eighties on some locomotives and other equipment.
Jack
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James D Thompson
Tim O'Connor (toco...@bbn.com) wrote:
: cbal...@whale.st.usm.edu (Christopher Kevin Balducci) wrote:
: > In what years did the N&W have a blue scheme?
: Wasn't this just restenciled Wabash units? The Wabash was absorbed about
: 1965-1966 (don't know exact date) and it had a dark blue scheme at that
: time. So my guess is the scheme existed in the late 1960's and maybe into
: the early 1970's.
N&W switched from black to dark blue around 1966, reverting to black in 1970.
Dark blue was the standard freight and passenger scheme during this time, and
a large number of new units (SD40, SD45, GP40, U30B) were delivered in blue.
David Thompson
Chris R. Toth
On 26 Feb 1997 22:59:44 GMT, Tim O'Connor <toco...@bbn.com> wrote:
>ct...@ohio.net (Chris R. Toth) wrote:
>
>> The N&W blue period began in 1966 and was applied to virtually all
>> types of equipment, including locomotives freight cars and cabooses.
>> The blue period lasted until 1971.
>
>So, maybe Wabash had a big stockpile of blue paint, and N&W used that
>until it was all gone?
No. The N&W blue was a different shade than Wabash blue. In fact,
there were two blues used during the N&W blue era. The shade used on
locomotives, passenger cars and cabooses was metallic, while that used
on freight cars was not.
Paul Wilson
The N&W changed to a blue scheme sometime in the 1960s. The
Pennsy was forced to divest its sizeable stake in the N&W as
part of the Penn Central merger. After the N&W gained its
independence the tuscan red scheme was replaced. Now NS the
successor to the N&W is threatening the take over Conrail, the
successor to the Pennsy. My how times have changed!
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Bill Peterson
: In what years did the N&W have a blue scheme?
Off the top of my head, the following were delivered in blue:
Alco: C628 1110-29; C630 1130-39
GE: U28B 1900-29; U30B 1930-64
EMD: GP40 1329-88; SD40 1580-1609; SD45 1700-1814
Those units were delivered between about mid 1966 and early 1970.
AFAIK that about covers new units. I am reasonably sure that
SD35's, GP35's, C425's, C628's, lone U25B, etc. were delivered in 1965
in black. Especially certain about the SD35's, C425's and C628's
which I used to see at Clare Yard (Cincinnati) in early 1970's.
As for repaints; since many NKP and Wabash units hadn't been repainted
by the time blue became the official color, many of their units were
repainted blue. Lots of GP7's, GP9's, RS11's, RS36's, F7A's, RS3's,
etc. Even a couple of E8A's.
In 1970 N&W reverted to black. First there were some repaints, the
most notable being those with serif N&W initials in gold instead of
the name written out. About the same time, 50 U30B's 8465-8514 were
delivered in black with name written out in sans serif lettering.
Lastly, I think in 1971, the nasty Fishwick black and white NW image
became standard. That was a truly awful scheme!
Hope that helps,
Bill Peterson
Jonathan O'Connor
From Chap 11 of N&W 2nd Generation Diesels........
Scheme F1- Int'd in 1955 - all black with gold lettering of the type used
on N&W steam locomotives, and w/o any medallion.
Scheme F2 -black with Gothic medallion on the cab sides and Norfolk And
Western written out on the hood - all lettering in dulux gold.
Introduced in 1958.
Scheme F3 - black body with half-moon N&W medallion on cab sides and
ends, and Norfolk And Western spelled out along the hood - all lettering
in dulux gold. Intr'd Dec 1963.
Scheme F4 - same as F3 except back became N&W blue. Intr'd Jan 1966.
Many Wabash and Nickel Plate locomotives were REPAINTED into this scheme.
Scheme F5 - short-lived - Serif "N&W" 24 inches tall on the hood woth
half-moon medallion. Intro'd early 1970 but rejected by the private
consulting firm that designed the NW logo. Jut over 50 units received
this.
Scheme F6 - black with white NW. Intr'd 1971.
1978 - variation of F6 in Tuscan red with dulux gold NW. applied to some
SD40-2's and C30-7's.
Scheme F7 - Dec 1981 - Skunk schemes - black with bands of white and
Norfolk And Western spelled out in black in the white band. NW in white
on the ends. Applied only to three GP38AC's.
Scheme F8- black with Norfolk And Western in white and small NW's on the
ends. Dec 1981.
1984 - Thoroughbred NS Scheme
And das duh facts, Jack. So yes, Virginia, there WAS a N&W blue, for
4 years, and even some of the Wabash units were repainted into it. And
undoubtedly many Wabash units were retired in Wabash paint.
And believe it or not, there were Norfolk And Western lettered, but
leased from ACL E-7's & E-6's in ACL purple and silver. As well as
Norfolk And Western lettered, but leased from RF&P E-8's in RF&P blue and
gray.
I also forgot the original passenger GP-9's in Tuscan.
J O'C