The Question
Daniel Lavigne
to, or otherwise supporting, a society that wilfully participates in
plans and preparations that are based on a sure and certain will
and capacity to commit Mass Murder?"
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TUNE IN - http://www.taxrefusal.com - TAX OUT
Joe Lane
"Daniel Lavigne" <tax...@aei.ca> wrote in message
news:3D0099D8...@aei.ca...
> "Does birth as a human being truly condemn one to paying taxes
>
Yes. If one wishes to use things such as roads that are tax funded.
Since I have not yet mastered that art of teleportation I pay my taxes and
use the roads. How about you?
---Joe---
Daniel Lavigne
to permit him to understand and deal with the issues, answered
"The Question":
"Does birth as a human being truly condemn one to paying taxes
to, or otherwise supporting, a society that wilfully participates in
plans and preparations that are based on a sure and certain will
and capacity to commit Mass Murder?"
as follows . .
> Yes. If one wishes to use things such as roads that are tax funded.
> Since I have not yet mastered that art of teleportation I pay my
> taxes and use the roads. How about you?
> ---Joe---
I gather that you have no objection if millions pay taxes in order
that their societies may be able to mass murder all idiots in all
other nations, including yours, and thereby charge them a tax
that is somewhat more than most fools would like to pay?
If you have intelligence sufficient to permit you to object to such madness,
"why" waste your limited abilities to support, with your "taxes" and little
else, the efforts of fools who, as the sons and daughters of fools, will never
understand that a "road", or some basement in some school or hospital, does
not grant them a magic ability to avoid the consequences of their existence
as fools who will ALWAYS do as they are "Ordered" and USE their nations
NUCLEAR AND OTHER WEAPONS OF MASS MURDER?
"Joe" give up on your hopes of "teleportation" . . until you
learn how to "think". BTW, enjoy your six-pack and pizza.
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Say *NO* To Societal Insanity
Asia Svoren
jlane@wcl.o<SPAM wrote on 6/7/02 4:57 PM:
GAS TAXES were established for the roads. But once again the
governments don't use it where it is suppose to be use so go and take
whatever it takes to wake your dead brain-cell JOE.
Asia
JOE
Daniel Lavigne = dot con artist
dot con artist
noun. A person who runs an Internet-based scam or fraud.
Backgrounder:
This phrase combines dot com with con artist, short for confidence
artist (or confidence man), a person who runs a confidence game where
the victim is defrauded after his or her confidence has been won. The
frauds perpetrated by dot con artists are called dot cons.
http://www.logophilia.com/WordSpy/dotconartist.asp
Avoid These Tax Protest Scams Like You Would Avoid The Plague
On a daily basis, we learn about various tax protest scams who will
only succeed in leading you down a path of destruction. All of them
perpetuate over the Internet. They run from the utterly absurd to the
completely ridiculous, from the convicted felons to the merely looney.
The bottom line is that ALL of the arguments are complete works of
fiction and none have any validity whatsoever.
http://www.taxes.com/tax_scams.html
Joe
Jimmy
Yep, It's called the gasoline tax. In fact I don't know anyone that
doesn't pay this outrageous tax when using the roads, except for
cyclists and pedestrians, which we get so little for.
Jimmy
JOE
Yes I pay my taxes. I am a proud taxpayer!
Joe
Blade
wrote:
Blade] Good afternoon, Joe. If the road builder dischagres the IOU,
that was created from nothing to account for the value of the road,
for food, clothing, shelter, transportation and entertainment then the
road is already paid for.
StaR
ron_star_diablow...@yahoo.com (JOE) wrote:
>"Joe Lane" <jlane@wcl.o<SPAM>n.ca> wrote in message news:<1X9M8.22336$Z6.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
>> "Daniel Lavigne" <tax...@aei.ca> wrote in message
>> news:3D0099D8...@aei.ca...
>> > "Does birth as a human being truly condemn one to paying taxes
>> >
>>
>>
>> Yes. If one wishes to use things such as roads that are tax funded.
>> Since I have not yet mastered that art of teleportation I pay my taxes and
>> use the roads. How about you?
>> ---Joe---
>
>Yes I pay my taxes. I am a proud taxpayer!
>
>Joe
The "House of Rothschild" thanks you.
StaR
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For a RESPONSIBLE Government and the
adherence to the LAW of the LAND.
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The Century Dictionary
http://216.156.253.178/CENTURY/index.html
corporative, a. [As corporate + -ive; = F. corporatif.] Corporate; having the
character of a corporation.
No citizen can be taxed except as allowed by this law, by the law regulating
the provincial diets, and by the corporative guilds. - The Nation, Dec. 1,
1870, p. 364.
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Webster's 1828 Dictionary
FICTI'TIOUS, a. [L. fictifius, from fingo, to feign.]
1. Feigned; imaginary; not real.
The human persons are as fictitious as the airy ones.
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Luke 11:52, "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of
knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye
hindered."
.....................................
"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield
the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences
of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use
all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal
enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the
greatest enemy of the State." -- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels
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Blade
ron_star_diablow...@yahoo.com (JOE) wrote:
>"Joe Lane" <jlane@wcl.o<SPAM>n.ca> wrote in message news:<1X9M8.22336$Z6.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
>> "Daniel Lavigne" <tax...@aei.ca> wrote in message
>> news:3D0099D8...@aei.ca...
>> > "Does birth as a human being truly condemn one to paying taxes
>> >
>>
>>
>> Yes. If one wishes to use things such as roads that are tax funded.
>> Since I have not yet mastered that art of teleportation I pay my taxes and
>> use the roads. How about you?
>> ---Joe---
>
>Yes I pay my taxes. I am a proud taxpayer!
>
>Joe
Blade] Yes, good for silly 'ol you. You overpay your taxes twice or
more times a payment if you also trade something of value with those
that create value, such as roads and whatnot, but your stupidity &
fallacy of arguments is in trying to endorse positions that force
everyone else to do the same as you.
>
>Daniel Lavigne = dot con artist
>
Joe = the over paying tax "citizen"
>
noun. A peson that pays twice the price or more for everything and
spends their time on the internet trying to convince others to do the
same.
Backgrounder.
There are people who can't see that value created by those in the
governemnts employ, when accounted for with instruments known as
IOU's, are paid for when said value creators transact with others for
something of value, thereby eliminating the need for mass confiscation
and theft of others who create something of value and which could be
used elsewhere but instead is used to control the the debrt virus,
within the monetary system, known as usury or interest on created
liabilities.
>noun. A person who runs an Internet-based scam or fraud.
>
>Backgrounder:
>This phrase combines dot com with con artist, short for confidence
>artist (or confidence man), a person who runs a confidence game where
>the victim is defrauded after his or her confidence has been won. The
>frauds perpetrated by dot con artists are called dot cons.
>http://www.logophilia.com/WordSpy/dotconartist.asp
>
>Avoid These Tax Protest Scams Like You Would Avoid The Plague
>On a daily basis, we learn about various tax protest scams who will
>only succeed in leading you down a path of destruction. All of them
>perpetuate over the Internet. They run from the utterly absurd to the
>completely ridiculous, from the convicted felons to the merely looney.
>The bottom line is that ALL of the arguments are complete works of
>fiction and none have any validity whatsoever.
>http://www.taxes.com/tax_scams.html
Blade] Who are you speaking to, joe? Those that you would want to pay
twice or more for everything?
Mike Kemp
JOE wrote:
> "Joe Lane" <jlane@wcl.o<SPAM>n.ca> wrote in message news:<1X9M8.22336$Z6.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
> > "Daniel Lavigne" <tax...@aei.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3D0099D8...@aei.ca...
> > > "Does birth as a human being truly condemn one to paying taxes
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yes. If one wishes to use things such as roads that are tax funded.
> > Since I have not yet mastered that art of teleportation I pay my taxes and
> > use the roads. How about you?
> > ---Joe---
>
> Yes I pay my taxes. I am a proud taxpayer!
Boy..does that ever sound stupid! "I pay *my* taxes."
If memory serves me correctly, they are *GOVERNMENT TAXES*.
If you wish to call them your own then that's your problem.
What else do you claim to be yours that isn't?
Sheeesh...
Asia Svoren
ron_star_diablow...@yahoo.com wrote on 6/7/02 9:06 PM:
> Daniel Lavigne <tax...@aei.ca> wrote in message
> news:<3D013665...@aei.ca>...
>
JOE, you really are not amusing. You can only sit and wish you had the
knowledge and courage it takes to stand up for yourself and if others gain
from your fight, all the better.
Asia
Asia Svoren
sui_...@skybiz.com wrote on 6/7/02 9:13 PM:
It is also called license and plates.
Asia
Asia Svoren
ron_star_diablow...@yahoo.com wrote on 6/7/02 9:17 PM:
> "Joe Lane" <jlane@wcl.o<SPAM>n.ca> wrote in message
> news:<1X9M8.22336$Z6.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
>> "Daniel Lavigne" <tax...@aei.ca> wrote in message
>> news:3D0099D8...@aei.ca...
>>> "Does birth as a human being truly condemn one to paying taxes
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. If one wishes to use things such as roads that are tax funded.
>> Since I have not yet mastered that art of teleportation I pay my taxes and
>> use the roads. How about you?
>> ---Joe---
>
JOE, maybe you were born into tax but the true answer to Daniel's
question is no. Go and be a happy taxpayer, that is your free choice given
to you by God not the government.
Asia
Mike Warren
> GAS TAXES were established for the roads.
Where does it say that?
--
mike [at] mike [dash] warren.com
<URL:http://www.mike-warren.com>
GPG: 0x579911BD :: 87F2 4D98 BDB0 0E90 EE2A 0CF9 1087 0884 5799 11BD
Asia Svoren
use...@mike-warren.com wrote on 6/18/02 10:49 PM:
> Asia Svoren <as...@asia.wox.org> writes:
>
>> GAS TAXES were established for the roads.
>
> Where does it say that?
Asia) I don't have the exact quote or date but I'm old enough to remember
the government stating that they were going to put in a gas tax for the
maintenance and construction of the highways and roads.
Joe
>
> Where does it say that?
About a year or so ago there was some debate on gas taxes in Ontario. I
wrote my MPP about the amount of money raised by gas taxes as compared to
the amount spent on roads. He wrote back and told me that gas taxes were,
at one time, dedicated to road expenses but the legisaltion was changed,
IIRC, in the 1920's.
E. Barry Bruyea
wrote:
>Asia Svoren <as...@asia.wox.org> writes:
>
>> GAS TAXES were established for the roads.
>
>Where does it say that?
I'm not sure, Mike, and I'm not going to research to find out, but for
decades during the 30's, 40's, 50's and beyond, they were always
referred to as "Road Taxes". It is only in recent times that the
goverment has condtioned us to call them just plain garden variety
"Gas Taxes".
Ron
It was pointed out in the Calgary Sun during the last provincial
election in Alberta that only 4.5% of the road tax collected on fuels
is actually spent on roads.
How like the government to impose a tax that is to be used for one
thing then change the legislation to use the money on whatever they
f***in' well want.
Jimmy
Isn't there some kind of law that requires that the funds raised
through taxation must be used for the stated reason that the taxes
were implemented for in the first place? Failure on the part of the
government is reason enough to refuse to pay any further taxes in my
opinion. And that is part of the reason I haven't paid income taxes in
years.
Jimmy
Jimmy
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:49:06 GMT, Mike Warren <use...@mike-warren.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Asia Svoren <as...@asia.wox.org> writes:
> >
> >> GAS TAXES were established for the roads.
> >
> >Where does it say that?
>
> I'm not sure, Mike, and I'm not going to research to find out, but for
> decades during the 30's, 40's, 50's and beyond, they were always
> referred to as "Road Taxes". It is only in recent times that the
> goverment has condtioned us to call them just plain garden variety
> "Gas Taxes".
>
>
Of course. Broader terms means less specific accountability. Very
sneaky and sleazy I'd say.
Jimmy
E. Barry Bruyea
My point exactly. Government is good at this, such as changing U.I.
to E.I. leaving one to assume it is a guarantee of employment.
Carter Lee
> My point exactly. Government is good at this, such as changing U.I.
> to E.I. leaving one to assume it is a guarantee of employment.
Now why would any intelligent person assume that Barry?? EI means
'Employment Insurance', It's not a guarantee of employment, rather a
guarantee of income should your employment cease.
Carter
Carter Lee
> Isn't there some kind of law that requires that the funds raised
> through taxation must be used for the stated reason that the taxes
> were implemented for in the first place?
Nope.
Failure on the part of the
> government is reason enough to refuse to pay any further taxes in my
> opinion.
Your opinion is wrong.
And that is part of the reason I haven't paid income taxes in
> years.
You will, in spades or in jail.
Carter
Asia Svoren
wrote on 6/19/02 4:44 AM:
Asia) Thank you, Joe. I hear the current transportation minister say that
he was considering using it again for that purpose. Isn't that the excuse
they use every time they want to get people to accept a increase in gas tax?
We need it for fixing the highways and roads. That is what I hear them
saying with every tax raise on gas.
The governments are good at changing the legislation after they get the
tax in place without the knowledge of the people. They tell the people the
tax is for some purpose that is to improve the peoples life (like
roads/highways), get the people to accept the tax (under false premise) ,
put it in action, then without people knowing they change the legislation.
Meanwhile, the people believe that these taxes are being used for what they
were put in place for because the legislation change took place behind
closed doors and the governments don't feel the need to inform the general
public of the change ( it's called, "keep them ignorant , they are easier to
control) . It has being working up till now, then fortunately a few of us
woke up to a heavy odor.
Asia Svoren
sun...@kilamanjaro.org wrote on 6/19/02 6:06 AM:
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:49:06 GMT, Mike Warren <use...@mike-warren.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Asia Svoren <as...@asia.wox.org> writes:
>>
>>> GAS TAXES were established for the roads.
>>
>> Where does it say that?
>
> I'm not sure, Mike, and I'm not going to research to find out, but for
> decades during the 30's, 40's, 50's and beyond, they were always
> referred to as "Road Taxes". It is only in recent times that the
> goverment has condtioned us to call them just plain garden variety
> "Gas Taxes".
>
>
Asia) Thank you Barry for the confirmation I knew what I was talking
about.
ZsaZsa
"Carter Lee" <cr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3D1127D0...@ns.sympatico.ca...
what Barry is referring to. I know that when I pay life insurance, I am not
ensuring that I am going to live forever, however, were it termed "death"
insurance, it wouldn't be an appealing purchase, and I'm inclined to believe
that the insurance industry know this, and that's why the industry chooses
the names for products that they do.
feepa
HA!
"ZsaZsa" <re...@ng.org> wrote in message
news:qedQ8.409977$t8_.3...@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
E. Barry Bruyea
wrote:
That's why it was formerly called "Unemployment Insurance" which makes
a hell of a lot more sense the "Employment Insurance".
Bryon Lape
And how much really goes to the roads? Taxes are like crack to
politicians.
Carter Lee
Of course but you don't make mistaken assumptions based on those names.
Carter
Carter Lee
Maybe but neither leads to the mistaken assumption that employment is
guaranteed.
Carter
E. Barry Bruyea
Carter Lee
I'm just correcting an error, not being heavy. I take it you now agree?
Carter
E. Barry Bruyea
wrote:
I agree that no intelligent person would assume it's a guarantee of
employment, but I also believe the government attitude is that all
Canadian citizens are idiots and treat them as such when they spend
tax dollars to change the name of something to simply 'cloud' the
issue and accomplish absolutely nothing constructive.
Carter Lee
...so I rest my case, thanks.
but I also believe the government attitude is that all
> Canadian citizens are idiots and treat them as such when they spend
> tax dollars to change the name of something to simply 'cloud' the
> issue and accomplish absolutely nothing constructive.
I guess you can believe what you will. My understanding of the name
change was that it sounded more positive than the former. I think it
does. I also think a name like 'Income insurance' would have been much
better because after all it is insurance and it is your income that you
are paying a premium to insure.
Carter
Asia Svoren
sui_...@skybiz.com wrote on 6/19/02 5:49 PM:
Asia) I agree with you Jimmy.
Asia Svoren
cr...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote on 6/19/02 7:57 PM:
Asia) There is that threat being held over one's head yet again. Like
someone stated, Ghandi accepted jail to make his point.
> Carter
Asia Svoren
sun...@kilamanjaro.org wrote on 6/20/02 5:15 AM:
Asia) Are you excepting the governments to use common sense?
Asia Svoren
wrote on 6/20/02 5:47 AM:
Asia) exactly.
Asia Svoren
cr...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote on 6/20/02 2:01 PM:
Asia) Only when it comes to getting a claim, they change the rules so you
can't get it. So you have paid premiums for nothing.