Time to get tougher
Too_Many_Tools
Time to get tougher.
Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns and
ammo.
If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
testing.
TMT
Gun deaths tried to fray the thin blue line in '09
By COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press Writer Colleen Long, Associated
Press Writer
Sat Dec 12, 2:40 pm ET
NEW YORK – A police officer is gunned down in his patrol car in Penn
Hills, Pa., while waiting for backup. Near Seattle, four officers
starting their day at a coffee shop are ambushed by an ex-con with a
handgun. Another four officers are shot to death in Oakland, Calif.,
after a traffic stop gone awry. Across the nation, 2009 was a
particularly perilous year for officers involved in gun disputes.
The number of officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire increased
24 percent from 2008, according to preliminary statistics compiled by
the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, a national
nonprofit organization that tracks officer-related deaths.
As of Saturday, 47 police officers have died nationwide this year
after being shot while on duty, up from 38 for the same time in 2008,
which was the lowest number of gunfire deaths since 1956, according to
the data.
Over the past decade, small spikes in gunfire deaths have been common,
but experts say they are surprised by the number of officers this year
who have been specifically targeted by gunmen.
"There's an increasingly desperate population out there," said Eugene
O'Donnell, a professor of police studies at the John Jay College of
Criminal Justice in New York. "Other than in rare cases for
ideological reasons, we really haven't seen people taking on the cops
head-to-head. Something is amiss. It should be cause for grave
concern."
Contributing to this year's spike are cases in which several officers
were shot and killed in groups — the four officers last month outside
Seattle; the four officers in Oakland, Calif., in March; three
officers in Pittsburgh in April; and two officers in Okaloosa County,
Fla., in April.
In the Nov. 29 shootings near Seattle, four Lakewood Police Department
officers, all in uniform, were sitting with their laptops at a
bustling coffee shop when shots rang out. Authorities said the gunman,
Maurice Clemmons, spared employees and other customers. Clemmons was
later shot to death in a confrontation with another officer, who
wasn't harmed.
Clemmons had a violent, erratic past in Washington state and Arkansas.
His 108-year prison sentence for armed robbery and other offenses was
commuted by then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in 2000. Six days before
the shooting, he had posted bail on charges of raping a child.
In the April 4 shooting in Pittsburgh, suspect Richard Poplawski has
been accused by prosecutors of ambushing the three officers when they
responded to a domestic disturbance call. Wearing a bulletproof vest
and armed with weapons including an AK-47 assault rifle, he started
shooting almost immediately after they arrived, authorities said.
Poplawski has pleaded not guilty.
In other cases, it's not so clear whether the officers were targeted,
or just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Oakland officers Mark
Dunakin and John Hege were shot and killed during a traffic stop March
21. The suspect fled and barricaded himself in a home, where two SWAT
officers were later shot and killed as they tried to enter.
In Penn Hills, Officer Michael Crawshaw was buried Friday, about a
week after police say he was gunned down by a parolee wearing an
electronic monitoring bracelet on his ankle. Crawshaw was responding
to a 911 call of shots fired and was waiting for backup when the
suspect came out of the house and opened fire on his patrol car,
police said.
The availability of guns compounds the problem, criminologists say.
But Pennsylvania, the state with the most gun-related officer deaths
so far this year, has among the strictest gun laws in the country,
according to a ranking by the pro-gun-control Brady Campaign to
Prevent Gun Violence. Other states, like Louisiana, Oklahoma and
Kentucky, have very little oversight and had few, if any, officer gun
deaths this year.
Kevin Morison, a spokesman for the Officers Memorial Fund, which keeps
the statistics, said he sees people on both sides of the gun debate
using the numbers to prove points.
"But folks who are willing to intentionally target police officers
seem to be able to find a way to accrue guns regardless of what the
laws in those state would be," Morison said.
Overall gunfire deaths have more or less been on a steady decline for
decades as more tools become available to keep officers safe. More
officers are required to wear bullet-resistant vests. There's also
better and faster medical care to save an officer's life.
In 1973, during a heyday of corruption and crime, there were around
600,000 officers and about 156 gunfire deaths. Currently, there are
about 900,000 law enforcement officers nationwide and only 47 gunfire
deaths this year — a per-capita decrease of nearly 21 percent.
Despite the increase in the number of gunfire deaths from 2008, there
have been fewer overall officer deaths so far this year: 117, compared
with 125 last year, according to the statistics. The major reason is
that traffic deaths are down 24 percent.
"The chances of being killed in the line of duty are lower than they
have been in modern times," Morison said. "But no one is immune to the
dangers of the job."
___
On the Net:
National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, http://www.nleomf.org
Too_Many_Tools
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
So you approve of cop killings?
If so you are one sick puppy.
TMT
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
> Time to get tougher.
>
> Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
>
> It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns and
> ammo.
>
> If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
> testing.
>
> TMT
Nitwit. You should have psych testing before being allowed to post here.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/12/states-ease-restrictions-gun-laws/
Updated December 12, 2009
Several States Ease Restrictions on Gun Laws
AP
In many states across the United States, it's getting easier to carry a
gun -- and many say it's the result of a campaign by the National Rifle
Association.
In many states across the United States, it's getting easier to carry a
gun -- and many say it's the result of a campaign by the National Rifle
Association.
A nationwide review by The Associated Press found that over the last two
years, 24 states, mostly in the South and West, have passed 47 new laws
loosening gun restrictions.
Among other things, legislatures have allowed firearms to be carried in
cars, made it illegal to ask job candidates whether they own a gun, and
expanded agreements that make permits to carry handguns in one state valid
in another.
The trend is attributed in large part to a push by the NRA. The NRA, the
leading gun-owners lobby in the U.S. which for years has blocked attempts in
Washington to tighten firearms laws, has ramped up its efforts at the state
level to chip away at gun restrictions.
"This is all a coordinated approach to respect that human, God-given right
of self defense by law-abiding Americans," says Chris W. Cox, the NRA's
chief lobbyist. "We'll rest when all 50 states allow and respect the right
of law-abiding people to defend themselves from criminal attack."
Tennessee and Montana, for example, have passed laws that exempt weapons
made and owned in-state from federal restrictions.
Tennessee is the home to Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, the maker of a
.50-caliber shoulder-fired rifle that the company says can shoot bullets up
to 5 miles (8 kilometers). The rifle is banned in California.
There have been gun-friendly law changes in other states. Arizona, Florida,
Louisiana and Utah have made it illegal for businesses to bar their
employees from storing guns in cars parked on company lots. Some states have
made handgun permit information confidential and others have allowed handgun
permits to be issued to people who have had their felony convictions
expunged or their full civil rights restored.
The AP compiled the data on new laws from groups ranging from the Legal
Community Against Violence, which advocates gun control, to the NRA.
Public attitudes toward gun control have shifted strongly over the past 50
years, according to Gallup polling. In 1959, 60 percent of respondents said
they favored a ban on handguns except for "police and other authorized
persons." Gallup's most recent annual crime survey in October found 71
percent opposed such a ban.
The NRA boasts that almost all states grant handgun permits to people with
clean criminal and psychological records. In 1987, only 10 states did. Only
Wisconsin, Illinois and Washington, D.C., now prohibit carrying concealed
handguns entirely.
"The NRA has a stranglehold on a lot of state legislatures," said Kristin
Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center, a gun control
group in Washington. "They basically have convinced lawmakers they can cost
them their seats, even though there's no real evidence to back that up."
Tennessee's new laws came after the Republican takeover of the General
Assembly this year, but most other states that loosened restrictions didn't
experience major partisan shifts.
Most of the states where the new laws were enacted have large rural
populations, where support for gun rights tends to cross party lines.
While some states have tightened gun laws during the same period, the list
of new restrictive laws is much shorter. In 2009 alone, more than three
times as many laws were passed to make it easier on gun owners.
New Jersey's 2009 law limiting people to one handgun purchase per month is
the most notable of the more-restrictive laws. Other examples this year
include Maryland's ban on concealed weapons on public transit and Maine's
vote to give public universities and colleges the power to regulate firearms
on campus.
The most contentious of Tennessee's new gun laws was one allowing handguns
in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. It took effect in July after
lawmakers overrode a veto by the governor. Last month, a Nashville judge
struck down the law as unconstitutionally vague, but supporters have vowed
to pass it again.
A similar Arizona law that took effect in September allows people with
concealed-weapons permits to bring their guns into bars and restaurants that
haven't posted signs banning them.
While Tennessee's law was in place, many bars chose not to let customers
bring guns in. Likewise, more than 70 communities have opted out of allowing
guns in parks.
"People go in there and start drinking and then they want to start a fight.
What are they going to do if they got a gun in their hand?" said Larry
Speck, 69, who works at an auto repair shop in Memphis. "I've got a gun
permit and I'm not carrying mine in there, even if they have a law."
Supporters of expanding handgun rights argue that people with state-issued
permits are far less likely to commit crimes, and that more lawfully armed
people cause a reduction in crime.
Opponents fear that more guns could lead to more crime.
Academics are divided on the effects of liberalized handgun laws, and
determining the impact is complicated by the move in several states to close
handgun permit records.
Lib Loo
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
> Anything to divert attention from the Obama failures, eh, T?
With so many failures, it has become expected and is no longer news.
larrylaundry
Winston_Smith wrote:
> The diversion continues, eh, T?
>
> I approve of open discussion of government policies, actions, and
> proposed legislation. Apparently you and Obama discourage that sort
> of radical thinking.
hehrrr duhhrrr
edi...@netpath.net
- during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
You don't need "psych testing" to know that letting violent felons out
early - as Huckabee did with that guy who killed the four cops up by
Seattle - is risky. (Who needed "psych testing" there? Governor
Huckabee - for being willing to turn that guy loose into any job
market where nil jobs for convicted felons to honestly earn livings
existed, or the felon?)
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Beam Me Up Scotty
>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
We keep telling you you shouldn't have a gun, being delusional and
owning a gun are not ideally linked together.
Curly Surmudgeon
> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
> during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
_This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
--
Regards, Curly
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2012 Run, John, Run! 2012
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edi...@netpath.net
wrote:
> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> > How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
> > during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>
> What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
House property taxes. State sales taxes here in North Carolina.
(Proposed) Obamacare.
On top of that, high inflation on nondeferrable purchase items (food,
fuel, prescriptions) caused by regime just printing paper dollar like
mad to fund deficit spending, wars, bailouts. That, too, is a tax.
tankfixer
19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>, too_man...@yahoo.com says...
>
> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
In each case those were known criminials..
>
> Time to get tougher.
>
> Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
>
> It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns and
> ammo.
>
> If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
> testing.
A quote from the end of the article..
"The chances of being killed in the line of duty are lower than they
have been in modern times," Morison said. "But no one is immune to the
dangers of the job."
>
> TMT
>
>
> Gun deaths tried to fray the thin blue line in '09
> By COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press Writer Colleen Long, Associated
> Press Writer
> Sat Dec 12, 2:40 pm ET
>
> NEW YORK ? A police officer is gunned down in his patrol car in Penn
> Hills, Pa., while waiting for backup. Near Seattle, four officers
> starting their day at a coffee shop are ambushed by an ex-con with a
> handgun. Another four officers are shot to death in Oakland, Calif.,
> after a traffic stop gone awry. Across the nation, 2009 was a
> particularly perilous year for officers involved in gun disputes.
>
> The number of officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire increased
> 24 percent from 2008, according to preliminary statistics compiled by
> the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, a national
> nonprofit organization that tracks officer-related deaths.
>
> As of Saturday, 47 police officers have died nationwide this year
> after being shot while on duty, up from 38 for the same time in 2008,
> which was the lowest number of gunfire deaths since 1956, according to
> the data.
>
> Over the past decade, small spikes in gunfire deaths have been common,
> but experts say they are surprised by the number of officers this year
> who have been specifically targeted by gunmen.
>
> "There's an increasingly desperate population out there," said Eugene
> O'Donnell, a professor of police studies at the John Jay College of
> Criminal Justice in New York. "Other than in rare cases for
> ideological reasons, we really haven't seen people taking on the cops
> head-to-head. Something is amiss. It should be cause for grave
> concern."
>
> Contributing to this year's spike are cases in which several officers
> were shot and killed in groups ? the four officers last month outside
> deaths this year ? a per-capita decrease of nearly 21 percent.
Sid9
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
You've got balls...you divert from the subject of the thread and you
accuse!
Try this for...staying ON subject:
AP Featured News
Friday December 11, 2009
NYPD IDs seller of gun in Times Square shooting
COLLEEN LONG
Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) - New York City police say the machine pistol used by a
street hustler shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased at a
gun dealer outside of Richmond, Va.
Officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
are trying to find the woman who bought the gun, 25-year-old Jordan
Kelsey-Stewart.
Police spokesman Paul Browne says she purchased the gun Oct. 18 from
Dale's Guns in Powhatan, Va. Police say shooter Raymond Martinez was
carrying several business cards for Virginia gun dealers in his
pocket, including Dale's Guns.
The Mac-10 pistol was reported stolen from a car in Richmond on Oct.
28.
==================
A straw buyer and a faked theft report......guns from Virginia on NY
streets.
Mac-10....a sport gun or a killer's gun?
Sid9
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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AP Featured News
Friday December 11, 2009
NYPD IDs seller of gun in Times Square shooting
Advertiser
COLLEEN LONG
Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) - New York City police say the machine pistol used by a
street hustler shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased at a
gun dealer outside of Richmond, Va.
Officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
are trying to find the woman who bought the gun, 25-year-old Jordan
Kelsey-Stewart.
Police spokesman Paul Browne says she purchased the gun Oct. 18 from
Dale's Guns in Powhatan, Va. Police say shooter Raymond Martinez was
carrying several business cards for Virginia gun dealers in his
pocket, including Dale's Guns.
The Mac-10 pistol was reported stolen from a car in Richmond on Oct.
28.
===================
A straw buyer, a faked theft report......Mac-10 on NYC streets!
Sid9
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
AP Featured News
Friday December 11, 2009
NYPD IDs seller of gun in Times Square shooting
Advertiser
COLLEEN LONG
Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) - New York City police say the machine pistol used by a
street hustler shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased at a
gun dealer outside of Richmond, Va.
Officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
are trying to find the woman who bought the gun, 25-year-old Jordan
Kelsey-Stewart.
Police spokesman Paul Browne says she purchased the gun Oct. 18 from
Dale's Guns in Powhatan, Va. Police say shooter Raymond Martinez was
carrying several business cards for Virginia gun dealers in his
pocket, including Dale's Guns.
The Mac-10 pistol was reported stolen from a car in Richmond on Oct.
28.
====================
A straw buyer, a faked theft report......a gun dealer peddling a
Mac-10!
Our guns laws are meaningless.
Peter Franks
> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
> Time to get tougher.
It's time to get smarter first. Then you can get tough.
If you want to curb violent crime, stiffen the penalty. Getting tough
on law-abiding citizens (which is who your 'get tougher' really affects)
serves no purpose.
Let me ask a simple question: do you support getting tougher on violent
criminals?
tankfixer
says...
A "machine pistol" ?
They some better lies next time
Too_Many_Tools
>
> I approve of open discussion of government policies, actions, and
> proposed legislation. Apparently you and Obama discourage that sort
> of radical thinking.
That's right Winston avoid answering the question.
You aren't dealing with one of these brainless wingers.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d4f68060-9302-4311...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
> > Time to get tougher.
>
> > Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
>
> > It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns and
> > ammo.
>
> > If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
> > testing.
>
> > TMT
>
> Nitwit. You should have psych testing before being allowed to post here.
>
You live in the past...and I live for the future.
More cops die, more gun laws passed.
Simple as that.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
If you have money to buy guns, you have money to pay taxes.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
So you are saying all those taxes are non-Obama?
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> In article <d4f68060-9302-4311-b040-69a0c3f79a5b@
>
> - Show quoted text -
And the cops are just as dead.
And the guns were in the hands of irresponsible owners.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
I agree...if you own a gun and it is used to kill a cop, you go to
jail...end of story.
When you buy a gun, you sign up for the responsibility to keep it
under your control.
No excuses.
Excuses can't bring dead cops back.
If you can't handle the responsibility, then don't own the gun.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:06:44 -0800, "edi...@netpath.net"
> ><edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> >> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
> >> during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>
> >What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> >_This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
>
> Another congress critter wants to impose a new tax to fund Obama's
> wars.
>
> ObamaCare will throw costs on states. They are already staggering
> under budgetary disasters; how can they fund the mandates thrown on
> them except by more taxes? Unlike the Feds, they can not run
> unbalanced budgets and just borrow it on a forever basis. If Obama
> says they have to spend it, then they have to get the new money from
> new taxes.
>
> The Feds are spending two dollars for every one dollar they take in.
> How long can that go on without new revenue?
Eight years of Bush threw the costs on to the states...you knew that.
Quit making excuses for Bush Winston...people are pointing and
laughing at you.
As for Obama spending...do some research as to how the The Great
Depression lasted and lasted and lasted.
If the Government was not spending money, we would be in a solid
Depression...the Bush Depression.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> "Winston_Smith" <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote in message
>
> news:bhm8i55m9i23rjgcq...@4ax.com...
So you are saying that we need more gun laws.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> "Winston_Smith" <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote in message
>
> news:bhm8i55m9i23rjgcq...@4ax.com...
>
> > Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
> > Anything to divert attention from the Obama failures, eh, T?
>
> With so many failures, it has become expected and is no longer news.
So you approve of cops being killed.
You are one sick puppy Loo.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
>
> Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
>
> It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns and
> ammo.
>
> If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
> testing.
>
>
> Gun deaths tried to fray the thin blue line in '09
> By COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press Writer Colleen Long, Associated
> Press Writer
> Sat Dec 12, 2:40 pm ET
>
> Hills, Pa., while waiting for backup. Near Seattle, four officers
> starting their day at a coffee shop are ambushed by an ex-con with a
> handgun. Another four officers are shot to death in Oakland, Calif.,
> after a traffic stop gone awry. Across the nation, 2009 was a
> particularly perilous year for officers involved in gun disputes.
>
> The number of officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire increased
> 24 percent from 2008, according to preliminary statistics compiled by
> the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, a national
> nonprofit organization that tracks officer-related deaths.
>
> As of Saturday, 47 police officers have died nationwide this year
> after being shot while on duty, up from 38 for the same time in 2008,
> which was the lowest number of gunfire deaths since 1956, according to
> the data.
>
> Over the past decade, small spikes in gunfire deaths have been common,
> but experts say they are surprised by the number of officers this year
> who have been specifically targeted by gunmen.
>
> "There's an increasingly desperate population out there," said Eugene
> O'Donnell, a professor of police studies at the John Jay College of
> Criminal Justice in New York. "Other than in rare cases for
> ideological reasons, we really haven't seen people taking on the cops
> head-to-head. Something is amiss. It should be cause for grave
> concern."
>
> Contributing to this year's spike are cases in which several officers
>
> Despite the increase in the number of gunfire deaths from 2008, there
> have been fewer overall officer deaths so far this year: 117, compared
> with 125 last year, according to the statistics. The major reason is
> that traffic deaths are down 24 percent.
>
> "The chances of being killed in the line of duty are lower than they
> have been in modern times," Morison said. "But no one is immune to the
> dangers of the job."
>
> ___
>
> On the Net:
>
> National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund,http://www.nleomf.org
If guns are okay, why can't I bring my guns into the bar?
TMT
Tenn. demonstrates trend of looser guns laws
By ERIK SCHELZIG, Associated Press Writer Erik Schelzig, Associated
Press Writer
Sat Dec 12, 12:10 am ET
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – It's been the year of the gun in Tennessee. In a
flurry of legislative action, handgun owners won the right to take
their weapons onto sports fields and playgrounds and, at least
briefly, into bars.
A change in leadership at the state Capitol helped open the doors to
the gun-related bills and put Tennessee at the forefront of a largely
unnoticed trend: In much of the country, it is getting easier to carry
guns.
A nationwide review by The Associated Press found that over the last
two years, 24 states, mostly in the South and West, have passed 47 new
laws loosening gun restrictions.
Among other things, legislatures have allowed firearms to be carried
in cars, made it illegal to ask job candidates whether they own a gun,
and expanded agreements that make permits to carry handguns in one
state valid in another.
The trend is attributed in large part to a push by the National Rifle
Association. The NRA, which for years has blocked attempts in
Washington to tighten firearms laws, has ramped up its efforts at the
state level to chip away at gun restrictions.
"This is all a coordinated approach to respect that human, God-given
right of self defense by law-abiding Americans," says Chris W. Cox,
the NRA's chief lobbyist. "We'll rest when all 50 states allow and
respect the right of law-abiding people to defend themselves from
criminal attack."
Among the recent gun-friendly laws:
• Arizona, Florida, Louisiana and Utah have made it illegal for
businesses to bar their employees from storing guns in cars parked on
company lots.
• Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, South Carolina and Virginia have made
some or all handgun permit information confidential.
• Montana, Arizona and Kansas have allowed handgun permits to be
issued to people who have had their felony convictions expunged or
their full civil rights restored.
• Tennessee and Montana have passed laws that exempt weapons made and
owned in-state from federal restrictions. Tennessee is the home to
Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, the maker of a .50-caliber shoulder-
fired rifle that the company says can shoot bullets up to five miles
and is banned in California.
The AP compiled the data on new laws from groups ranging from the
Legal Community Against Violence, which advocates gun control, to the
NRA.
Public attitudes toward gun control have shifted strongly over the
past 50 years, according to Gallup polling. In 1959, 60 percent of
respondents said they favored a ban on handguns except for "police and
other authorized persons." By last year, Gallup's most recent crime
survey found 69 percent opposed such a ban.
The NRA boasts that almost all states grant handgun permits to people
with clean criminal and psychological records. In 1987, only 10 states
did. Only Wisconsin, Illinois and the District of Columbia now
prohibit carrying concealed handguns entirely.
"The NRA has a stranglehold on a lot of state legislatures," said
Kristin Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center, a
gun control group in Washington. "They basically have convinced
lawmakers they can cost them their seats, even though there's no real
evidence to back that up."
Tennessee's new laws came after the Republican takeover of the General
Assembly this year, but most other states that loosened restrictions
didn't experience major partisan shifts. Most of the states where the
new laws were enacted have large rural populations, where support for
gun rights tends to cross party lines.
While some states have tightened gun laws during the same period, the
list of new restrictive laws is much shorter. In 2009 alone, more than
three times as many laws were passed to make it easier on gun owners.
New Jersey's 2009 law limiting people to one handgun purchase per
month is the most notable of the more restrictive laws. Other examples
this year include Maryland's ban on concealed weapons on public
transit and Maine's vote to give public universities and colleges the
power to regulate firearms on campus.
The most contentious of Tennessee's new gun laws was one allowing
handguns in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. It took effect in
July after lawmakers overrode a veto by the governor. Last month, a
Nashville judge struck down the law as unconstitutionally vague, but
supporters have vowed to pass it again.
A similar Arizona law that took effect in September allows people with
concealed-weapons permits to bring their guns into bars and
restaurants that haven't posted signs banning them.
While Tennessee's law was in place, many bars chose not to let
customers bring guns in. Likewise, more than 70 communities have opted
out of allowing guns in parks.
"People go in there and start drinking and then they want to start a
fight. What are they going to do if they got a gun in their hand?"
said Larry Speck, 69, who works at an auto repair shop in Memphis.
"I've got a gun permit and I'm not carrying mine in there even if they
have a law."
Chattanooga retiree Ken Hasse, 71, said he worries about the possible
consequences of allowing people to carry their guns in places like
parks. "It's going to tempt somebody to use one," he said.
Supporters of expanding handgun rights argue that people with state-
issued permits are far less likely to commit crimes, and that more
lawfully armed people cause a reduction in crime. Opponents fear that
more guns could lead to more crime.
Academics are divided on the effects of liberalized handgun laws, and
determining the impact is complicated by the move in several states to
close handgun permit records.
A Violence Policy Center project has mined news reports to find that
more than 100 people have been killed by holders of handgun-carry
permits since 2007, including nine law enforcement officers. The
project originally intended to list all gun crimes by permit holders,
but there were too many to keep track of, Rand said.
"They shoot each other over parking spaces, at football games and at
family events," Rand said. "The idea that you're making any place
safer by injecting more guns is just completely contradicted by the
facts."
The flood of legislative victories in Tennessee after many years of
frustration now has some gun backers aiming for a whole new level of
freedom: No permits at all.
The permit laws "are an extra burden on people to exercise essentially
a constitutional right," said John Harris, executive director of the
Tennessee Firearms Association.
___
Associated Press writers Lucas L. Johnson II in Memphis and Bill
Poovey in Chattanooga contributed to this report.
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Dec 12, 11:14 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>> > How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class
>> > - during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>>
>> What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
>> _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
> House property taxes.
A state tax. In California property taxes have declined due to
devaluations.
> State sales taxes here in North Carolina.
A state tax. What do you propose Obama do about state sales taxes?
> (Proposed) Obamacare.
Show where President Obama has raised taxes for health care.
> On top of that, high inflation on nondeferrable purchase items (food,
> fuel, prescriptions) caused by regime just printing paper dollar like
> mad to fund deficit spending, wars, bailouts. That, too, is a tax.
There has been no inflation in 2009:
http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/charts/Annual_Inflation/
annual_inflation_chart.htm
> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Spam. That's all you have, spam and untruths?
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:06:44 -0800, "edi...@netpath.net"
>><edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class
>>> - during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>>
>>What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
>>_This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
> Congress wants to re-implement the death tax for one thing.
Congress always wants to increase taxes. The "death tax" been not been
raised.
> Another congress critter wants to impose a new tax to fund Obama's wars.
Should have been done in 2001, has taxes been raised "to fund Obama's
wars"?
> ObamaCare will throw costs on states. They are already staggering under
> budgetary disasters; how can they fund the mandates thrown on them
> except by more taxes? Unlike the Feds, they can not run unbalanced
> budgets and just borrow it on a forever basis. If Obama says they have
> to spend it, then they have to get the new money from new taxes.
Show where Obama will raise taxes to fund healthcare.
> The Feds are spending two dollars for every one dollar they take in. How
> long can that go on without new revenue?
Quite a while.
dca...@krl.org
> So you approve of cops being killed.
>
> You are one sick puppy Loo.
>
> TMT
Please show exactly where Loo indicated he approved of cops being
killed. I think you just made up this smear.
Dan
Beam Me Up Scotty
If you want to see how wealthy and comfortable Socialism will make you
just look to Cuba's great economic opportunities.
Daniel
How many violent felons get their guns through legal means? You'll
have to provide some sort of cite, since your word doesn't mean shit.
HH&C
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
>
>
> >If so you are one sick puppy.
>
> The diversion continues, eh, T?
>
> I approve of open discussion of government policies, actions, and
> proposed legislation. Apparently you and Obama discourage that sort
> of radical thinking.
On this forum, I approve of open discussions about survivalism.
HH&C
Indeed he is dealing with a brainless left winger.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Dec 12, 11:43 pm, Peter Franks <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>> Time to get tougher.
>>> ...
>> It's time to get smarter first. Then you can get tough.
>>
>> If you want to curb violent crime, stiffen the penalty. Getting tough
>> on law-abiding citizens (which is who your 'get tougher' really affects)
>> serves no purpose.
>>
>> Let me ask a simple question: do you support getting tougher on violent
>> criminals?
>
> I agree...if you own a gun and it is used to kill a cop, you go to
> jail...end of story.
>
> When you buy a gun, you sign up for the responsibility to keep it
> under your control.
Unless it's a gift... or handed to a cop or resold or stolen or lost or
bought for a house hold security and meant for communal house residents
security. How about when a Judge takes your property and gives it to
your spouse or creditors?
> No excuses.
Same with your car used in a crime...?
> Excuses can't bring dead cops back.
more laws won't stop murder.
> If you can't handle the responsibility, then don't own the gun.
If you can't accept life, get out.
> TMT
Beam Me Up Scotty
And what of the coffee shop owner that let people in without security at
the door? Why were police allowed to sit in a bunch in a public Donut
shop? Shouldn't the police department know that police are often targets
and being so irresponsible as to allow that many uniforms in one place
in a bunch is attracting violence. Had they all been in separate corners
of the coffee shop the shooter couldn't have turned and aimed fast
enough to kill all four before one could have killed him. Shouldn't the
police be trained to look at people and not paperwork when in the midst
of their potential stalkers?
The shooter could have used a bomb and killed every one in the shop and
a few outside too. Thank God he had a gun and NOT a Bomb....
The shooter could have had some Gas in a bucket and burned all four and
the entire store and done as much or more violence with $5.00 in gas and
a BIC lighter
Beam Me Up Scotty
How is that your decision?
Beam Me Up Scotty
Blame the system, not the cars used to drive them there, or guns that
they all had. Using your logic, we need to ban doctors and then ban cars.
After all health care kills 300,000 a year and cars 50,000 and guns only
30,000 and many of those killed with guns needed killing to save other
people.
If banning guns would make you safe, you should tell that one to the
German Jews who died under Hitler who also banned guns then killed millions.
HH&C
dog.com> wrote:
> edi...@netpath.net wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 11:14 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
> > wrote:
> >> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> >>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
> >>> during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
> >> What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> >> _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
> > House property taxes. State sales taxes here in North Carolina.
> > (Proposed) Obamacare.
> > On top of that, high inflation on nondeferrable purchase items (food,
> > fuel, prescriptions) caused by regime just printing paper dollar like
> > mad to fund deficit spending, wars, bailouts. That, too, is a tax.
>
>
> If you want to see how wealthy and comfortable Socialism will make you
> just look to Cuba's great economic opportunities.
I cannot wait for Obama to normalize relations with Cuba. I want one
of those jobs that Cubans don't want to do.
HH&C
> On Dec 12, 11:14 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
> wrote:
>
> > <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> > > How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
> > > during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>
> > What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> > _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
> House property taxes. State sales taxes here in North Carolina.
> (Proposed) Obamacare.
> On top of that, high inflation on nondeferrable purchase items (food,
> fuel, prescriptions) caused by regime just printing paper dollar like
> mad to fund deficit spending, wars, bailouts. That, too, is a tax.
>
> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!
There is always the silent tax where governments can spend far, far
more than they take in.
We know it as inflation.
HH&C
> There has been no inflation in 2009:
Tell me inflation won't come, and why.
HH&C
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:06:44 -0800, "edi...@netpath.net"
>
> >> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
> >> during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>
> >What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> >_This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
>
> wars.
>
About half of Ohio's general revenue goes to Medicare, a Fed mandated
program.
> They are already staggering
> under budgetary disasters; how can they fund the mandates thrown on
> them except by more taxes? Unlike the Feds, they can not run
> unbalanced budgets and just borrow it on a forever basis. If Obama
> says they have to spend it, then they have to get the new money from
> new taxes.
>
HH&C
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:19:17 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:06:44 -0800, "edi...@netpath.net"
> >><edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> >>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class
> >>> - during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>
> >>What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> >>_This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
> > Congress wants to re-implement the death tax for one thing.
>
> Congress always wants to increase taxes. The "death tax" been not been
> raised.
>
> > Another congress critter wants to impose a new tax to fund Obama's wars.
>
> Should have been done in 2001, has taxes been raised "to fund Obama's
> wars"?
>
> > ObamaCare will throw costs on states. They are already staggering under
> > budgetary disasters; how can they fund the mandates thrown on them
> > except by more taxes? Unlike the Feds, they can not run unbalanced
> > budgets and just borrow it on a forever basis. If Obama says they have
> > to spend it, then they have to get the new money from new taxes.
>
> Show where Obama will raise taxes to fund healthcare.
>
> > The Feds are spending two dollars for every one dollar they take in. How
> > long can that go on without new revenue?
>
> Quite a while.
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
> 2012 Run, John, Run! 2012
Bush spending like a drunken sailor = Bad.
Obama spending like the whole drunken 7th Fleet = Good.
tankfixer
@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, too_man...@yahoo.com says...
You just can't call them what they are can you ?
The word is criminals...
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Dec 13, 12:19 am, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:06:44 -0800, "edi...@netpath.net"
>>> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>>>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
>>>> during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>>> What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
>>> _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>> Congress wants to re-implement the death tax for one thing.
>>
>> Another congress critter wants to impose a new tax to fund Obama's
>> wars.
>>
>> ObamaCare will throw costs on states.
>
> About half of Ohio's general revenue goes to Medicare, a Fed mandated
> program.
Ohio could drop it and force it into court and the Constitution doesn't
have any authority given to the U.S. Congress to spend any taxes by
giving them to "the people" And no where will the constitution allow the
Congress to force States to spend taxes on "the people"
There is NO welfare clause, it's an urban myth.
Beam Me Up Scotty
There should be some constitutional amendments to stifle congress'
borrowing and spending.
Beam Me Up Scotty
*A LIBERTARIAN BAIL-OUT PLAN*
Reducing regulations is primary since regulation is what stifles
commerce, the more regulations, the more it costs our economy. Most
regulations are used by existing businesses to reduce competition, and
competition would help us get out of this depression.
End the "war on drugs" make them legal(increase competition) and sold at
any drug store and make prostitution legal too, that will take the BIG
money out of trafficking in drugs, and that will reduce the
gangs/dealers income and that should reduce the value of sex slaves and
hurt the slavery business income also. Why have illegal prostitutes
when there are so many legal tax paying prostitutes out there?
Have the States Ratify an amendment withdrawing the 16th amendment...
Maybe enact the http://fairtax.org (Federal sales tax) with the same
amendment that removes income tax. This will reduce the number of tax
crimes that people are in jails for. Then cut every single expenditure
of the government by 10%, and begin to draw down troops as needed from
around the world.
This tax policy will financially assault the drug dealers and hookers
and other underground economy's by forcing them to have to pay tax when
they spend their money, which will further reduce the benefit of dealing
in other illegal stuff. We are "right now" taking money from peoples
pay checks before they get them and at the same time we don't tax drug
dealers or hookers and illegals or others at all. Sales tax will also
encourage saving money rather than encouraging the leveraging of every
dime you can get like income tax does.
This will drive people in the underground economy to become part of the
real economy. It will stop most of the turf killings and end our
Immigration problems with illegals stealing identities since they will
be paying tax(as sales tax). Offer illegals low welfare and charge them
tax and they won't be so eager to come here and we won't need to chase
them......
End social security Medicare, grandfather it out of existence.
*Pass amendments* to the constitution that make all *laws and treaties*
have a four year sunset clause, and it requires that each law be voted
by a separate roll call vote every four years to continue to be
maintained in our laws. There should also be some constitutional
amendments to stifle congress' borrowing and spending. Pass another
amendment creating term limits on congress so the House has 4 terms and
the Senate has 2 terms. WE NEED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM PASSING FRIVOLOUS
LAWS TAXES AND BORROWING AND PRINTING ENDLESSLY.
We need to quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we
need to take away congress' ability to "regulate" businesses/people
using tax code. Government needs to spend 10% less every year until they
meet the income of the government. And we need to give up our roll as
the police man of the world, let them fight their own fights. We need
fewer people committing crimes, we need fewer police and prisons....this
drug and tax plans.... will reduce police and prison needs by at least
that 10% that this plan suggested cutting.
NO welfare to corporations, and cut welfare to people by 10% each year
until it is 10% of what it is today.
Any way you look at it, we're in DEEP for a long time.
Sid9
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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.
There are insufficient dollars in the hands of those who would bid
prices up.
There is NO inflation in sight for the foreseeable future.
You ask the question because you have little understanding of the
causes of inflation
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:89407a01-90b0-4704...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
So you approve of American citizens being killed.
You are one sick puppy Too_Many_Moms.
Lib Loo
<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message
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Thanks Dan. This is a typical extreme left wing liberal tactic any time one
cannot argue, or loses an argument. It typical for Too_Many_Moms, don't mind
him, he's just a kid with a keyboard.
Sid9
.
Yes.
Again, you fail to understand the cause and the reasoning behind the
spending.
In November of 2008 the effects of 28 years of Republican deregulation
finally became apparent.
13 Trillion dollars was sucked out of our economy due to the price
collapse of stocks and housing.
At the end of bush, jr, the incompetent's, term people with minds
realized what had happened.
They acted promptly and staved off a financial collapse that would
have made 1929 look like a picnic outing.
The Obama administration, correctly, continued those policies.
Some economists (Paul Krugman, example) believe not enough (about one
trillion dollars) was injected into our economy to restore stability.
Stability has been restored.
Now the longer, harder job of restoring jobs will be dealt with.
You don't like it?
Complain to your Republican Reagan "Trickle down" supporters who got
us here in the first place.
Lib Loo
"Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
> news:bhm8i55m9i23rjgcq...@4ax.com...
>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>
>> Anything to divert attention from the Obama failures, eh, T?
>
> You've got balls...you divert from the subject of the thread and you
> accuse!
>
> Try this for...staying ON subject:
>
> AP Featured News
> Friday December 11, 2009
> NYPD IDs seller of gun in Times Square shooting
>
> COLLEEN LONG
> Associated Press Writer
>
> NEW YORK (AP) - New York City police say the machine pistol used by a
> street hustler shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased at a gun
> dealer outside of Richmond, Va.
>
> Officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are
> trying to find the woman who bought the gun, 25-year-old Jordan
> Kelsey-Stewart.
>
> Police spokesman Paul Browne says she purchased the gun Oct. 18 from
> Dale's Guns in Powhatan, Va. Police say shooter Raymond Martinez was
> carrying several business cards for Virginia gun dealers in his pocket,
> including Dale's Guns.
>
> The Mac-10 pistol was reported stolen from a car in Richmond on Oct. 28.
>
> ==================
>
> A straw buyer and a faked theft report......guns from Virginia on NY
> streets.
>
> Mac-10....a sport gun or a killer's gun?
>
>
>
Typical last name hyphenating liberal with a gun. They should scrutinize all
liberals more closely before allowing them into the store. The smell should
be a good first clue.
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 12, 11:17 pm, "Sid9" <s...@belsouth.net> wrote:
>> "Winston_Smith" <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:bhm8i55m9i23rjgcq...@4ax.com...
>>
>> > Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>
>> > Anything to divert attention from the Obama failures, eh, T?
>>
>> AP Featured News
>> Friday December 11, 2009
>> NYPD IDs seller of gun in Times Square shooting
>> Advertiser
>>
>> COLLEEN LONG
>> Associated Press Writer
>>
>> NEW YORK (AP) - New York City police say the machine pistol used by a
>> street hustler shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased at a
>> gun dealer outside of Richmond, Va.
>>
>> Officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
>> are trying to find the woman who bought the gun, 25-year-old Jordan
>> Kelsey-Stewart.
>>
>> Police spokesman Paul Browne says she purchased the gun Oct. 18 from
>> Dale's Guns in Powhatan, Va. Police say shooter Raymond Martinez was
>> carrying several business cards for Virginia gun dealers in his
>> pocket, including Dale's Guns.
>>
>> The Mac-10 pistol was reported stolen from a car in Richmond on Oct.
>> 28.
>> ====================
>>
>> A straw buyer, a faked theft report......a gun dealer peddling a
>> Mac-10!
>>
>> Our guns laws are meaningless.
>
> So you are saying that we need more gun laws.
>
> TMT
At least twice as many should do the trick.
Lib Loo
"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote in
message news:4b250c57$0$9329$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
Careful what you wish for, Obama isd already deteriorating health care and
auto industries in the U.S.
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 12, 10:41 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 11:14 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>> > > How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle
>> > > class -
>> > > during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>>
>> > What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
>> > _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>>
>> House property taxes. State sales taxes here in North Carolina.
>> (Proposed) Obamacare.
>> On top of that, high inflation on nondeferrable purchase items (food,
>> fuel, prescriptions) caused by regime just printing paper dollar like
>> mad to fund deficit spending, wars, bailouts. That, too, is a tax.
>>
>> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!
>
> So you are saying all those taxes are non-Obama?
>
> TMT
No, he's saying you should try switching hands when you masturbate to try to
build up your other limp wrist.
Lib Loo
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 13, 4:33 am, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> There has been no inflation in 2009:
>
> Tell me inflation won't come, and why.
Because he's an apologist for Obama.
Lib Loo
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Can you roll cigars on your inner thigh?
Lib Loo
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bush devil. Obama nice guy.
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 12, 10:06 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class
>> - during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>> You don't need "psych testing" to know that letting violent felons out
>> early - as Huckabee did with that guy who killed the four cops up by
>> Seattle - is risky. (Who needed "psych testing" there? Governor
>> Huckabee - for being willing to turn that guy loose into any job
>> market where nil jobs for convicted felons to honestly earn livings
>> existed, or the felon?)
>>
>> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!
>
> If you have money to buy food, you have money to pay taxes.
>
> TMT
Hungry yet?
Lib Loo
"Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> A straw buyer, a faked theft report......Mac-10 on NYC streets!
>
>
The liberal straw buyer should be thrown in jail.
Lib Loo
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The liberal straw buyer should be in jail.
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 12, 11:43 pm, Peter Franks <n...@none.com> wrote:
>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> > Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>
>> > Time to get tougher.
>> > ...
>>
>> It's time to get smarter first. Then you can get tough.
>>
>> If you want to curb violent crime, stiffen the penalty. Getting tough
>> on law-abiding citizens (which is who your 'get tougher' really affects)
>> serves no purpose.
>>
>> Let me ask a simple question: do you support getting tougher on violent
>> criminals?
>
> I agree...if you own a gun and it is used to kill a cop, you go to
> jail...end of story.
So what's your argument then? Are you under the illusion that cop killers
don't go to jail? Do we need to pass a law?
>
> When you buy a gun, you sign up for the responsibility to keep it
> under your control.
>
> No excuses.
>
> Excuses can't bring dead cops back.
>
> If you can't handle the responsibility, then don't own the gun.
>
> TMT
>
We need to prevent liberal straw buyers with hyphenated last names from
entering gun shops. There should be a stink-o-meter at the front door.
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:facba784-db4a-4ad7...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 12, 9:00 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>
>> Time to get tougher.
>>
>> Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
>>
>> It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns and
>> ammo.
>>
>> If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
>> testing.
>>
>> TMT
>>
>> Gun deaths tried to fray the thin blue line in '09
>> By COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press Writer Colleen Long, Associated
>> Press Writer
>> Sat Dec 12, 2:40 pm ET
>>
>> NEW YORK � A police officer is gunned down in his patrol car in Penn
>> Hills, Pa., while waiting for backup. Near Seattle, four officers
>> starting their day at a coffee shop are ambushed by an ex-con with a
>> handgun. Another four officers are shot to death in Oakland, Calif.,
>> after a traffic stop gone awry. Across the nation, 2009 was a
>> particularly perilous year for officers involved in gun disputes.
>>
>> The number of officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire increased
>> 24 percent from 2008, according to preliminary statistics compiled by
>> the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, a national
>> nonprofit organization that tracks officer-related deaths.
>>
>> As of Saturday, 47 police officers have died nationwide this year
>> after being shot while on duty, up from 38 for the same time in 2008,
>> which was the lowest number of gunfire deaths since 1956, according to
>> the data.
>>
>> Over the past decade, small spikes in gunfire deaths have been common,
>> but experts say they are surprised by the number of officers this year
>> who have been specifically targeted by gunmen.
>>
>> "There's an increasingly desperate population out there," said Eugene
>> O'Donnell, a professor of police studies at the John Jay College of
>> Criminal Justice in New York. "Other than in rare cases for
>> ideological reasons, we really haven't seen people taking on the cops
>> head-to-head. Something is amiss. It should be cause for grave
>> concern."
>>
>> Contributing to this year's spike are cases in which several officers
>> were shot and killed in groups � the four officers last month outside
>> deaths this year � a per-capita decrease of nearly 21 percent.
>>
>> Despite the increase in the number of gunfire deaths from 2008, there
>> have been fewer overall officer deaths so far this year: 117, compared
>> with 125 last year, according to the statistics. The major reason is
>> that traffic deaths are down 24 percent.
>>
>> "The chances of being killed in the line of duty are lower than they
>> have been in modern times," Morison said. "But no one is immune to the
>> dangers of the job."
>>
>> ___
>>
>> On the Net:
>>
>> National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund,http://www.nleomf.org
>
> If guns are okay, why can't I bring my guns into the bar?
>
> TMT
Don't you trust yourself? If you are a typical lib who can't enter a bar
without losing self control, then you should stay out for your own safety,
otherwise you might get shot.
>
> Tenn. demonstrates trend of looser guns laws
> By ERIK SCHELZIG, Associated Press Writer Erik Schelzig, Associated
> Press Writer
> Sat Dec 12, 12:10 am ET
>
> NASHVILLE, Tenn. � It's been the year of the gun in Tennessee. In a
> flurry of legislative action, handgun owners won the right to take
> their weapons onto sports fields and playgrounds and, at least
> briefly, into bars.
>
> A change in leadership at the state Capitol helped open the doors to
> the gun-related bills and put Tennessee at the forefront of a largely
> unnoticed trend: In much of the country, it is getting easier to carry
> guns.
>
> A nationwide review by The Associated Press found that over the last
> two years, 24 states, mostly in the South and West, have passed 47 new
> laws loosening gun restrictions.
>
> Among other things, legislatures have allowed firearms to be carried
> in cars, made it illegal to ask job candidates whether they own a gun,
> and expanded agreements that make permits to carry handguns in one
> state valid in another.
>
> The trend is attributed in large part to a push by the National Rifle
> Association. The NRA, which for years has blocked attempts in
> Washington to tighten firearms laws, has ramped up its efforts at the
> state level to chip away at gun restrictions.
>
> "This is all a coordinated approach to respect that human, God-given
> right of self defense by law-abiding Americans," says Chris W. Cox,
> the NRA's chief lobbyist. "We'll rest when all 50 states allow and
> respect the right of law-abiding people to defend themselves from
> criminal attack."
>
> Among the recent gun-friendly laws:
>
> � Arizona, Florida, Louisiana and Utah have made it illegal for
> businesses to bar their employees from storing guns in cars parked on
> company lots.
>
> � Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, South Carolina and Virginia have made
> some or all handgun permit information confidential.
>
> � Montana, Arizona and Kansas have allowed handgun permits to be
> issued to people who have had their felony convictions expunged or
> their full civil rights restored.
>
> � Tennessee and Montana have passed laws that exempt weapons made and
> owned in-state from federal restrictions. Tennessee is the home to
> Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, the maker of a .50-caliber shoulder-
> fired rifle that the company says can shoot bullets up to five miles
> and is banned in California.
>
> The AP compiled the data on new laws from groups ranging from the
> Legal Community Against Violence, which advocates gun control, to the
> NRA.
>
> Public attitudes toward gun control have shifted strongly over the
> past 50 years, according to Gallup polling. In 1959, 60 percent of
> respondents said they favored a ban on handguns except for "police and
> other authorized persons." By last year, Gallup's most recent crime
> survey found 69 percent opposed such a ban.
>
> The NRA boasts that almost all states grant handgun permits to people
> with clean criminal and psychological records. In 1987, only 10 states
> did. Only Wisconsin, Illinois and the District of Columbia now
> prohibit carrying concealed handguns entirely.
>
> "The NRA has a stranglehold on a lot of state legislatures," said
> Kristin Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center, a
> gun control group in Washington. "They basically have convinced
> lawmakers they can cost them their seats, even though there's no real
> evidence to back that up."
>
> Tennessee's new laws came after the Republican takeover of the General
> Assembly this year, but most other states that loosened restrictions
> didn't experience major partisan shifts. Most of the states where the
> new laws were enacted have large rural populations, where support for
> gun rights tends to cross party lines.
>
> While some states have tightened gun laws during the same period, the
> list of new restrictive laws is much shorter. In 2009 alone, more than
> three times as many laws were passed to make it easier on gun owners.
>
> New Jersey's 2009 law limiting people to one handgun purchase per
> month is the most notable of the more restrictive laws. Other examples
> this year include Maryland's ban on concealed weapons on public
> transit and Maine's vote to give public universities and colleges the
> power to regulate firearms on campus.
>
> The most contentious of Tennessee's new gun laws was one allowing
> handguns in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. It took effect in
> July after lawmakers overrode a veto by the governor. Last month, a
> Nashville judge struck down the law as unconstitutionally vague, but
> supporters have vowed to pass it again.
>
> A similar Arizona law that took effect in September allows people with
> concealed-weapons permits to bring their guns into bars and
> restaurants that haven't posted signs banning them.
>
> While Tennessee's law was in place, many bars chose not to let
> customers bring guns in. Likewise, more than 70 communities have opted
> out of allowing guns in parks.
>
> "People go in there and start drinking and then they want to start a
> fight. What are they going to do if they got a gun in their hand?"
> said Larry Speck, 69, who works at an auto repair shop in Memphis.
> "I've got a gun permit and I'm not carrying mine in there even if they
> have a law."
>
> Chattanooga retiree Ken Hasse, 71, said he worries about the possible
> consequences of allowing people to carry their guns in places like
> parks. "It's going to tempt somebody to use one," he said.
>
> Supporters of expanding handgun rights argue that people with state-
> issued permits are far less likely to commit crimes, and that more
> lawfully armed people cause a reduction in crime. Opponents fear that
> more guns could lead to more crime.
>
> Academics are divided on the effects of liberalized handgun laws, and
> determining the impact is complicated by the move in several states to
> close handgun permit records.
>
> A Violence Policy Center project has mined news reports to find that
> more than 100 people have been killed by holders of handgun-carry
> permits since 2007, including nine law enforcement officers. The
> project originally intended to list all gun crimes by permit holders,
> but there were too many to keep track of, Rand said.
>
> "They shoot each other over parking spaces, at football games and at
> family events," Rand said. "The idea that you're making any place
> safer by injecting more guns is just completely contradicted by the
> facts."
>
> The flood of legislative victories in Tennessee after many years of
> frustration now has some gun backers aiming for a whole new level of
> freedom: No permits at all.
>
> The permit laws "are an extra burden on people to exercise essentially
> a constitutional right," said John Harris, executive director of the
> Tennessee Firearms Association.
>
> ___
>
> Associated Press writers Lucas L. Johnson II in Memphis and Bill
> Poovey in Chattanooga contributed to this report.
>
Sid9
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
news:hg384n$47k$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
.
You mean the gun store would pass up a sale no matter what the smell
as long as the money was green?
Surrre!
Sid9
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
Just effective ones that haven't been emasculated by the NRA
Sid9
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
.
RRRs become more frantic with every indication of success of the Obama
administration
Sid9
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
New nym same shit!
Sid9
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
....and the dealer that sold the gun.
Lib Loo
"Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote in message
news:hg3ajo$pqa$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
What did he do that was illegal, or should he be thrown in jail based on
your feelings?
Gray Ghost
september.org:
>
> "Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
> news:bhm8i55m9i23rjgcq...@4ax.com...
>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>
>> Anything to divert attention from the Obama failures, eh, T?
>
> You've got balls...you divert from the subject of the thread and you
> accuse!
>
> Try this for...staying ON subject:
>
> AP Featured News
> Friday December 11, 2009
> NYPD IDs seller of gun in Times Square shooting
>
> COLLEEN LONG
> Associated Press Writer
>
> NEW YORK (AP) - New York City police say the machine pistol used by a
> street hustler shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased at a
> gun dealer outside of Richmond, Va.
>
> Officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
> are trying to find the woman who bought the gun, 25-year-old Jordan
> Kelsey-Stewart.
>
> Police spokesman Paul Browne says she purchased the gun Oct. 18 from
> Dale's Guns in Powhatan, Va. Police say shooter Raymond Martinez was
> carrying several business cards for Virginia gun dealers in his
> pocket, including Dale's Guns.
>
> The Mac-10 pistol was reported stolen from a car in Richmond on Oct.
> 28.
>
>==================
>
> A straw buyer and a faked theft report......guns from Virginia on NY
> streets.
>
> Mac-10....a sport gun or a killer's gun?
>
>
>
>
Actually it was not a machine pistol, not being capable of fully automatic
fire.
However it is part of our criminal eradication program where crappy guns,
prone to jamming are delivered into the criminal market so that blowhard
street assholes who want to get busy with the po-po are at a decided
disadvantage.
It's part of a program to remove these criminals form the system entirely
before they become more dangerous. Since liberals won't let the system deal
with them we've come up with a more effective, quicker acting solution.
No more street punk - no trial, no jail, no public defender, just a few
bullets. Fiscally sound.
--
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming.
"Hide the Decline"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk
31,486 American scientists, including 9,029 with PhDs, don't agree the
science is settled.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
What it appears to be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZszGJHbK4&feature=video_response
Curly Surmudgeon
> RRRs become more frantic with every indication of success of the Obama
> administration
These are the same wackos who support President Bush's destruction of
America. Now they avow publicly and proudly that they want President
Obama to save our nation.
--
Regards, Curly
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2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
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Sid9
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CE088A60879CWe...@216.196.97.142...
.
Sounds like you condone murder, vigilantism, and would be a bit
unhappy if your "program" was applied to you by a street judge, like
you, who happened to disagree with you.
Have you ever heard of our laws?
Have you ever heard of our constitution?
Bottom line: You are an asshole.
Too_Many_Tools
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:41:46 -0800, "edi...@netpath.net"
>
> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 11:14 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >> > How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class
> >> > - during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>
> >> _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
>
> A state tax. In California property taxes have declined due to
> devaluations.
>
> > State sales taxes here in North Carolina.
>
>
> > (Proposed) Obamacare.
>
> Show where President Obama has raised taxes for health care.
>
> > On top of that, high inflation on nondeferrable purchase items (food,
> > fuel, prescriptions) caused by regime just printing paper dollar like
> > mad to fund deficit spending, wars, bailouts. That, too, is a tax.
>
>
> annual_inflation_chart.htm> Spam. That's all you have, spam and untruths?
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 2012 Run, John, Run! 2012
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Curly is correct.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:19:17 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >>On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:06:44 -0800, "edi...@netpath.net"
> >><edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> >>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class
> >>> - during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>
> >>What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> >>_This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
>
> Congress always wants to increase taxes. The "death tax" been not been
> raised.
>
> > Another congress critter wants to impose a new tax to fund Obama's wars.
>
> Should have been done in 2001, has taxes been raised "to fund Obama's
> wars"?
>
> > ObamaCare will throw costs on states. They are already staggering under
> > budgetary disasters; how can they fund the mandates thrown on them
> > except by more taxes? Unlike the Feds, they can not run unbalanced
> > budgets and just borrow it on a forever basis. If Obama says they have
> > to spend it, then they have to get the new money from new taxes.
>
> Show where Obama will raise taxes to fund healthcare.
>
> > The Feds are spending two dollars for every one dollar they take in. How
> > long can that go on without new revenue?
>
> Quite a while.
>
> Regards, Curly
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 2012 Run, John, Run! 2012
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Again Curly is right.
It's becoming a habit. ;<)
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> On Dec 13, 8:17 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So you approve of cops being killed.
>
> > You are one sick puppy Loo.
>
> > TMT
>
> Please show exactly where Loo indicated he approved of cops being
> killed. I think you just made up this smear.
>
> Dan
Read the article.
Loo is obviously not in favor of correcting the problem.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> On Dec 13, 2:31 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 11:43 pm, Peter Franks <n...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
> > > > ...
>
> > > It's time to get smarter first. Then you can get tough.
>
> > > If you want to curb violent crime, stiffen the penalty. Getting tough
> > > on law-abiding citizens (which is who your 'get tougher' really affects)
> > > serves no purpose.
>
> > > Let me ask a simple question: do you support getting tougher on violent
> > > criminals?
>
> > I agree...if you own a gun and it is used to kill a cop, you go to
> > jail...end of story.
>
> > under your control.
>
> > No excuses.
>
> > Excuses can't bring dead cops back.
>
> > If you can't handle the responsibility, then don't own the gun.
>
> have to provide some sort of cite, since your word doesn't mean shit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL...like your opinion?
Read the article.
Every cop killed was by a gun that was not under control of its owner.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> On Dec 12, 10:24 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
>
>
> > >If so you are one sick puppy.
>
> > The diversion continues, eh, T?
>
> > I approve of open discussion of government policies, actions, and
> > proposed legislation. Apparently you and Obama discourage that sort
> > of radical thinking.
>
> On this forum, I approve of open discussions about survivalism.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
And only if the opinions match yours.
You are a hypocrite.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
dog.com> wrote:
> >>> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
> >>> ...
> >> It's time to get smarter first. Then you can get tough.
>
> >> If you want to curb violent crime, stiffen the penalty. Getting tough
> >> on law-abiding citizens (which is who your 'get tougher' really affects)
> >> serves no purpose.
>
> >> Let me ask a simple question: do you support getting tougher on violent
> >> criminals?
>
> > I agree...if you own a gun and it is used to kill a cop, you go to
> > jail...end of story.
>
> > When you buy a gun, you sign up for the responsibility to keep it
> > under your control.
>
> bought for a house hold security and meant for communal house residents
> security. How about when a Judge takes your property and gives it to
> your spouse or creditors?
>
> > No excuses.
>
> Same with your car used in a crime...?
>
> > Excuses can't bring dead cops back.
>
>
> > If you can't handle the responsibility, then don't own the gun.
>
>
>
>
> > TMT- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sound like you need your guns taken away since your comments sound
like those from an irresponsible owner.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
dog.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 11:00 pm, tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <d4f68060-9302-4311-b040-69a0c3f79a5b@
> >> 19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>, too_many_to...@yahoo.com says...
>
>
> >>> Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
> >>> It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns and
> >>> ammo.
> >>> If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
> >>> testing.
> >> have been in modern times," Morison said. "But no one is immune to the
> >> dangers of the job."
>
> >>> Gun deaths tried to fray the thin blue line in '09
> >>> By COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press Writer Colleen Long, Associated
> >>> Press Writer
> >>> Sat Dec 12, 2:40 pm ET
> >>> Hills, Pa., while waiting for backup. Near Seattle, four officers
> >>> starting their day at a coffee shop are ambushed by an ex-con with a
> >>> handgun. Another four officers are shot to death in Oakland, Calif.,
> >>> after a traffic stop gone awry. Across the nation, 2009 was a
> >>> particularly perilous year for officers involved in gun disputes.
> >>> The number of officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire increased
> >>> 24 percent from 2008, according to preliminary statistics compiled by
> >>> the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, a national
> >>> nonprofit organization that tracks officer-related deaths.
> >>> As of Saturday, 47 police officers have died nationwide this year
> >>> after being shot while on duty, up from 38 for the same time in 2008,
> >>> which was the lowest number of gunfire deaths since 1956, according to
> >>> the data.
> >>> Over the past decade, small spikes in gunfire deaths have been common,
> >>> but experts say they are surprised by the number of officers this year
> >>> who have been specifically targeted by gunmen.
> >>> "There's an increasingly desperate population out there," said Eugene
> >>> O'Donnell, a professor of police studies at the John Jay College of
> >>> Criminal Justice in New York. "Other than in rare cases for
> >>> ideological reasons, we really haven't seen people taking on the cops
> >>> head-to-head. Something is amiss. It should be cause for grave
> >>> concern."
> >>> Contributing to this year's spike are cases in which several officers
> >>> Despite the increase in the number of gunfire deaths from 2008, there
> >>> have been fewer overall officer deaths so far this year: 117, compared
> >>> with 125 last year, according to the statistics. The major reason is
> >>> that traffic deaths are down 24 percent.
> >>> "The chances of being killed in the line of duty are lower than they
> >>> have been in modern times," Morison said. "But no one is immune to the
> >>> dangers of the job."
> >>> ___
> >>> On the Net:
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> > And the guns were in the hands of irresponsible owners.
>
>
> And what of the coffee shop owner that let people in without security at
> the door? Why were police allowed to sit in a bunch in a public Donut
> shop? Shouldn't the police department know that police are often targets
> and being so irresponsible as to allow that many uniforms in one place
> in a bunch is attracting violence. Had they all been in separate corners
> of the coffee shop the shooter couldn't have turned and aimed fast
> enough to kill all four before one could have killed him. Shouldn't the
> police be trained to look at people and not paperwork when in the midst
> of their potential stalkers?
>
> The shooter could have used a bomb and killed every one in the shop and
> a few outside too. Thank God he had a gun and NOT a Bomb....
>
> The shooter could have had some Gas in a bucket and burned all four and
> the entire store and done as much or more violence with $5.00 in gas and
> a BIC lighter- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah..yeah..yeah...it's always the victum's fault.
Tell you what...let's just keep doing what is not working and see
where it gets us.
That seems to be the Republican way.
How's it working for you guys so far?
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bush spending like a drunken sailor = Bad.
Obama spending like the whole drunken 7th Fleet to fix Bush's problems
= Good
Cheezy can never get it right.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> In article <dd6d50c5-8711-4782-afca-80cd56df1fb5
> @e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, too_many_to...@yahoo.com says...
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> > And the guns were in the hands of irresponsible owners.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
So criminals aren't irresponsible owners?
Sounds like Republican logic...ignore the real problem while people,
in this case cops, continue to die..
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
dog.com> wrote:
> HH&C wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 11:41 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> >> On Dec 12, 11:14 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
> >>>> during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
> >>> What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> >>> _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
> >> (Proposed) Obamacare.
> >> On top of that, high inflation on nondeferrable purchase items (food,
> >> fuel, prescriptions) caused by regime just printing paper dollar like
> >> mad to fund deficit spending, wars, bailouts. That, too, is a tax.
>
>
> > There is always the silent tax where governments can spend far, far
> > more than they take in.
>
> > We know it as inflation.
>
> There should be some constitutional amendments to stifle congress'
> borrowing and spending.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why were you not complaining about this when Bush and his Republican
Congress was robbing the Nation?
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
dog.com> wrote:
> HH&C wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 11:41 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> >> On Dec 12, 11:14 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> >>>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle class -
> >>>> during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
> >>> What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a depression."
> >>> _This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
> >> House property taxes. State sales taxes here in North Carolina.
> >> (Proposed) Obamacare.
> >> On top of that, high inflation on nondeferrable purchase items (food,
> >> fuel, prescriptions) caused by regime just printing paper dollar like
> >> mad to fund deficit spending, wars, bailouts. That, too, is a tax.
>
> >>http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com-your source for hard-to-find stuff!
>
> > There is always the silent tax where governments can spend far, far
> > more than they take in.
>
> > We know it as inflation.
>
>
> Reducing regulations is primary since regulation is what stifles
> commerce, the more regulations, the more it costs our economy. Most
> regulations are used by existing businesses to reduce competition, and
> competition would help us get out of this depression.
>
> End the "war on drugs" make them legal(increase competition) and sold at
> any drug store and make prostitution legal too, that will take the BIG
> money out of trafficking in drugs, and that will reduce the
> gangs/dealers income and that should reduce the value of sex slaves and
> hurt the slavery business income also. Why have illegal prostitutes
> when there are so many legal tax paying prostitutes out there?
>
> Have the States Ratify an amendment withdrawing the 16th amendment...
>
> Maybe enact thehttp://fairtax.org(Federal sales tax) with the same
> amendment that removes income tax. This will reduce the number of tax
> crimes that people are in jails for. Then cut every single expenditure
> of the government by 10%, and begin to draw down troops as needed from
> around the world.
>
> This tax policy will financially assault the drug dealers and hookers
> and other underground economy's by forcing them to have to pay tax when
> they spend their money, which will further reduce the benefit of dealing
> in other illegal stuff. We are "right now" taking money from peoples
> pay checks before they get them and at the same time we don't tax drug
> dealers or hookers and illegals or others at all. Sales tax will also
> encourage saving money rather than encouraging the leveraging of every
> dime you can get like income tax does.
>
> This will drive people in the underground economy to become part of the
> real economy. It will stop most of the turf killings and end our
> Immigration problems with illegals stealing identities since they will
> be paying tax(as sales tax). Offer illegals low welfare and charge them
> tax and they won't be so eager to come here and we won't need to chase
> them......
>
> End social security Medicare, grandfather it out of existence.
>
> *Pass amendments* to the constitution that make all *laws and treaties*
> have a four year sunset clause, and it requires that each law be voted
> by a separate roll call vote every four years to continue to be
> maintained in our laws. There should also be some constitutional
> amendments to stifle congress' borrowing and spending. Pass another
> amendment creating term limits on congress so the House has 4 terms and
> the Senate has 2 terms. WE NEED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM PASSING FRIVOLOUS
> LAWS TAXES AND BORROWING AND PRINTING ENDLESSLY.
>
> We need to quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we
> need to take away congress' ability to "regulate" businesses/people
> using tax code. Government needs to spend 10% less every year until they
> meet the income of the government. And we need to give up our roll as
> the police man of the world, let them fight their own fights. We need
> fewer people committing crimes, we need fewer police and prisons....this
> drug and tax plans.... will reduce police and prison needs by at least
> that 10% that this plan suggested cutting.
>
> NO welfare to corporations, and cut welfare to people by 10% each year
> until it is 10% of what it is today.
>
> Any way you look at it, we're in DEEP for a long time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks to Bush.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 9:28 pm, "Lib Loo" <heezb...@crazymother.kom> wrote:
> >> "Winston_Smith" <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:bhm8i55m9i23rjgcq...@4ax.com...
>
> >> > Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>
>
>
> > So you approve of cops being killed.
>
> > You are one sick puppy Loo.
>
> > TMT
>
> You are one sick puppy Too_Many_Moms.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Lying will not change the truth about you Loo.
A person who advocates cop killing and pedophily.
And Republican.
Your support is not what the Republican Party needs.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> <dcas...@krl.org> wrote in message
>
> news:151863e1-0826-4edc...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> You are one sick puppy Loo.
>
> >> TMT
>
> > killed. I think you just made up this smear.
>
> > Dan
>
> cannot argue, or loses an argument. It typical for Too_Many_Moms, don't mind
> him, he's just a kid with a keyboard.
Given the evidence Dan will see through you just like everyone else
has.
Have you bought those dead cops back to life?
You know they have familes...all affected by the stupidity of those
like you.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5cc2c489-7555-465c...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Dec 13, 4:36 am, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:19:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
> >> <not_r...@bogus.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:06:44 -0800, "edi...@netpath.net"
>
> >> >>> How much further do you think taxes can be raised on the middle
> >> >>> class
> >> >>> - during a depression - before REVOLT begins?
>
> >> >>What taxes have been raised "on the middle class during a
> >> >>depression."
> >> >>_This_ depression. Be specific and detail all aspects.
>
> .
> Yes.
>
> Again, you fail to understand the cause and the reasoning behind the
> spending.
>
> In November of 2008 the effects of 28 years of Republican deregulation
> finally became apparent.
>
> 13 Trillion dollars was sucked out of our economy due to the price
> collapse of stocks and housing.
>
> At the end of bush, jr, the incompetent's, term people with minds
> realized what had happened.
>
> They acted promptly and staved off a financial collapse that would
> have made 1929 look like a picnic outing.
>
> The Obama administration, correctly, continued those policies.
>
> Some economists (Paul Krugman, example) believe not enough (about one
> trillion dollars) was injected into our economy to restore stability.
>
> Stability has been restored.
>
> Now the longer, harder job of restoring jobs will be dealt with.
>
> You don't like it?
>
> Complain to your Republican Reagan "Trickle down" supporters who got
> us here in the first place.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well said.
He doesn't care...he doesn't have anything but an Usenet account.
TMT
Bill Smith
>
>The availability of guns compounds the problem, criminologists say.
>But Pennsylvania, the state with the most gun-related officer deaths
>so far this year, has among the strictest gun laws in the country,
>according to a ranking by the pro-gun-control Brady Campaign to
>Prevent Gun Violence. Other states, like Louisiana, Oklahoma and
>Kentucky, have very little oversight and had few, if any, officer gun
>deaths this year.
What does this part of the article mean to you? Did you read this far?
Bill Smith
RD (The Sandman)
news:dgn8i5ldrpip1f2s9...@4ax.com:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 12, 9:07�pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>>
>>> Anything to divert attention from the Obama failures, eh, T?
>>
>>So you approve of cop killings?
>>
>>If so you are one sick puppy.
>
> The diversion continues, eh, T?
>
> I approve of open discussion of government policies, actions, and
> proposed legislation. Apparently you and Obama discourage that sort
> of radical thinking.
Keyword "open".
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
RD (The Sandman)
>
>
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d4f68060-9302-4311...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com..
> .
>> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>
>> Time to get tougher.
>>
>> Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
>>
>> It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns and
>> ammo.
>>
>> If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
>> testing.
>>
>> TMT
>
>
> Nitwit. You should have psych testing before being allowed to post
> here.
>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/12/states-ease-restrictions-gun
> -laws/
> fight. What are they going to do if they got a gun in their hand?"
> said Larry Speck, 69, who works at an auto repair shop in Memphis.
> "I've got a gun permit and I'm not carrying mine in there, even if
> they have a law."
>
> Supporters of expanding handgun rights argue that people with
> state-issued permits are far less likely to commit crimes, and that
> more lawfully armed people cause a reduction in crime.
>
> Opponents fear that more guns could lead to more crime.
>
> Academics are divided on the effects of liberalized handgun laws, and
> determining the impact is complicated by the move in several states to
> close handgun permit records.
>
>
>
>
Poll results
Should gun laws be more strict?
1990 - 78% said yes
2000 - 62% said yes
2009 - 44% said yes.
USA Today.
RD (The Sandman)
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 9:26 pm, "Lib Loo" <heezb...@crazymother.kom> wrote:
>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:d4f68060-9302-4311...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Too many guns in the hands of too many irresponsible people.
>>>> Time to get tougher.
>>>> Time for psych testing for gun purchases and gun ownership.
>>>> It could be paid for by a tax on gun owned and purchases of guns
>>>> and ammo.
>>>> If you have money to buy a gun, you have the money to pay for the
>>>> testing.
>>>> TMT
>>> Nitwit. You should have psych testing before being allowed to post
>>> here.
>>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/12/states-ease-restrictions-g
>>> ...
>> You live in the past...and I live for the future.
>>
>> More cops die, more gun laws passed.
>>
>> Simple as that.
>>
>> TMT
>
> Blame the system, not the cars used to drive them there, or guns that
> they all had. Using your logic, we need to ban doctors and then ban
> cars.
>
> After all health care kills 300,000 a year and cars 50,000 and guns
> only 30,000 and many of those killed with guns needed killing to save
> other people.
Out of those 30,000 over half were suicides. IIRC, suicides have a
willing participant.
Conan the Barabarian
september.org:
Yep.
> unhappy if your "program" was applied to you by a street judge, like
> you, who happened to disagree with you.
I wouldn't be using a jam-o-matic.
> Have you ever heard of our laws?
To damn many.
> Have you ever heard of our constitution?
Yep. What of it? It was born in blood. It will be reborn in it.
>
> Bottom line: You are an asshole.
Bottom line you're a whiny Democrat with no future.
--
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the
lamentation of their women.
dca...@krl.org
> > Please show exactly where Loo indicated he approved of cops being
> > killed. I think you just made up this smear.
>
> > Dan
>
> Read the article.
>
> Loo is obviously not in favor of correcting the problem.
>
> TMT
I did read the article. Did not see anything about cops being
killed. DId see where academics are divided on whether less
restrictions are good or not.
Dan
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Go suck your moms' tits. All eight of them, moo!
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:da180364-58d0-41d7...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>> It's time for TMT to move out of the basement.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Curly
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---
>> 2012 Run, John, Run! 2012
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---
>
> Curly is correct.
>
> TMT
Please stay in loony California.
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks to Bush, I have a roof over my head.
>
> TMT
LOL, thanks to your drill you have your mommies bedroom and the peephole
over your head.
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b505bd9-d244-4648...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> Obama spending like the whole drunken 7th Fleet my mommies serviced
> = Good
>
> Cheezy can never get it right.
>
> TMT
LOL, that many?
Lib Loo
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:deaf0f69-bf6f-495a...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 13, 3:36 am, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>> Your mommies are uglier than my crazymother.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Curly
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---
>> 2012 Run, John, Run! 2012
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---
>
> Again Curly is right.
>
> It's becoming a habit. ;<)
>
> TMT
That makes you proud?