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>I often see different sorts of wheat, rye, and other grains for
>sale in bulk. I've read these store well under nitrogen... but
>what can you do with it, besides make it into flour? Wheat on
>the cob? Hot buttered wheat? :) Really, anyone have any
>good wheat or other grain recipes to share?
>Thanks,
A very good question. Back in the 70's, there were a number of cookbooks
dealing with wheat. I'm trying to locate more of them, to include in the
booklist.
As I recall, you can make many sorts of different things with it, like
vegiburgers, cereal, breads and cakes, soup thickeners, etc. In order to
use it in all these ways, though, you need to keep the kernal whole, and
grind it (in your own wheat grinder/mill) for the end result you need.
If anyone else has a lead on wheat/sugar/milk/salt cooking (a'la the
Mormon's standby's) please let us know!
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>I often see different sorts of wheat, rye, and other grains for
>sale in bulk. I've read these store well under nitrogen... but
>what can you do with it, besides make it into flour? Wheat on
>the cob? Hot buttered wheat? :) Really, anyone have any
>good wheat or other grain recipes to share?
It is possible to plant wheat seeds, let it grow about 2-4 inches ("wheat
grass"), clip it, throw the grass in a blender, and drink the mixture. A few
vegans i know do this - can't tand the taste of it myself, although they
swear by the health effects.
>Thanks,
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Mark L. Filteau <mfil...@netcom.com>
"I think we should adjourn now ... the country is safer when
we're not in session."
-Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA), 7-Oct-1994
A major issue, which I am not comfortable with my current
solutions is that you need some kind of mill and it actually
takes a fair amount of energy to grind and process.
What I have, more dominated by convenience is an
electric powered kitchen appliance costing several hundred
us dollars, (imported from Germany) which can grind enough
for several loaves in about 15 minutes and as an
inferior survival backup a hand grinder which dosn't
get to bread flour size, takes a lot of effort for
just crushing the seeds and probably would take an hour
to process a couple lbs.
:-) Could be worse however...just a couple months ago,
the cover article of Scientific Americna was about
studies of the bones of early agricultural villages
in the Mid east...it appears that women (mostly) spent
many hours a day preparing the grain...and over the
course of a short life it distorted their bones, wore
down their teeth and was not that nutritionally balanced.
Eh, I nominate, even the currently dumbing down Scientific
American as a useful Survival periodical.
Les DeGroff
Actually, if you get good at making bread, you may find you don't
need to eat much else. You can even just throw some "berries" in your
mouth and chew. Not bad. Buy a bushel for $10 (lots more if
survival packed) and live off it for a month and think of the
savings! <g>
>I often see different sorts of wheat, rye, and other grains for
>sale in bulk. I've read these store well under nitrogen... but
>what can you do with it, besides make it into flour? Wheat on
>the cob? Hot buttered wheat? :) Really, anyone have any
>good wheat or other grain recipes to share?
As a really simple answer -- you could just boil it up into some
kind of gruel or thick soup. Cooking the wheat in some manner is
VERY important -- it was one of the big leaps that allowed humans to
shift from hunter/gartherer to agricultural. Cooking grains allows
your body to digest them much more fully than when raw. If you dont'
cook grains, you will feel full, but you will not get nearly enough
calories in your diet.
-Tom the Melaniephile
I assume the bulk wheat you are seeing is whole, that is, wheat berries.
You can cook wheat berries as you would dried beans. Soak them and simmer for
an hour or so until they're tender. Of course, you put whatever else you want
in with it to make it tasty, like onion, or garlic or herbs/spices, or parsley,
or tomatoes or carrots or...well, you get the picture. You can add wheat berries
to a bean soup recipe, just combine the beans and berries at the beginning.
If you cook the wheat berries in advance, you can add a few to soups, to salads,
to pilafs. I suppose you could also make a wheat berry pilaf - I've never tried
this - might be kind of heavy with the whole berries.
You can grind the berries coarsely and you have the same nutty flavor but it
cooks quicker. This makes a good pilaf. It also makes a good cereal. Cook
the wheat in water or milk just like you would oats or cornmeal. Cooked wheat
cereal can be sweetened or buttered, whatever you ususally like with hot cereal.
Someone, Richard I think, mentioned a veggie-burger. I've never tried this, but
I would guess you could mix the coarsely ground wheat with seasonings and a little
egg to bind it, maybe some finely chopped onion and parsley. Then make it into
patties and fry. Or bake if you want to keep the fat down. Yummy, this sounds
good. Maybe I'll try this tonight and report back tomorrow.
Finally, you can grind it into flour and make baked goods. Use standard recipes
for breads, muffins, etc.
As for the other grains you mentioned, basically they are all just grains. So
you look at what you do with other grains, like rice or barley or wheat flour, for
example, and do the same thing.
Write to the companies whose products you use. Often, they will send you recipes
(since they want to encourage you to use their stuff).
Rosaria Locasso
> The Mormons actually eat
>the stuff today,
Nonsense. Most Mormons buy their bread in stores like everyone else.
The convienence is hard to beat. Though most have wheat in
Home Storage.
>and have lots of books and recipes,
Lots of books are available through our Beehive Distribution
Centers. I personally don't feel they are the best books.
But OK for general information.
>hand and
>electric grinders, etc.
Must be commercially made units for consumer markets. We
just buy from what is available to everyone else.
Regards,
Ray
Well, sure you can--it's a common grocery store item! I might have a recipe for
sprouted wheat bread. Let me know if you want me to look for it.
Rosaria Locasso
Are we talking about the same "wheat"? What do you mean "it's a complete meal"?
Are you suggesting that wheat alone provides a balanced diet? If so, I'd like
to hear your credentials, please.
> The Mormons actually eat
> the stuff today...
Don't we all?
>
> You can even just throw some "berries" in your
> mouth and chew.
If you're Tyrannosaurus Rex. Wheat berries are like rocks. Chewing wheat
berries would give all the culinary satisfaction of chewing on a dried
navy bean.
Rosaria Locasso
Well, if you were really into the labor, you could malt and roast it yourself
and make a quality beer. Again, not a lot of nutritional value, but one of
the little things that grease the wheels of life.
Bruce
Bruce,
What's involved in this process? Not in detail - I'm not going to actually
do it - but I'm curious to know the basic steps involved. What does it mean
to malt something? I thought malt was an ingredient in itself.
Rosaria Locasso
> Bruce,
> Rosaria Locasso
Two things:
1) Read rec.crafts.brewing
These guys brew all the time, they have a FAQ and there are all levels of
expertise, including a few experts. This, of course, will get you the details
that you do not want, but if you drink beer, you will probably get hooked.
2) The malt is malted barley. The barley is allowed to germinate but not sprout.
This causes a conversion of the starch in the grain into usable sugars. When
the barley is germinated, it is roasted (to varying degrees) to stop the
germination/sprouting process and to add additional flavor.
3) Wheat beer is made from wheat (of course) with the possible addition of
adjuncts other than hops (depends on your taste and how much of a "purist"
you are). Thinking about it, I would have to look to see if the wheat is
malted or not. It may not be. I'm not to that stage of brewing (yet). Wheat
beer is usually made by those who have more experience than me.
Bruce
Mormons know this and routinely warn of it. The best defense [and a pretty
good idea for lots of other reasons] is a moderately high-fiber diet now.
{Despite what you may believe, whole-grain bread isn't toxic and veggies won't
cause acne}
I like the part about us Mormons actually eating the stuff today!
(Big, big grin here folks!) Actually, everybody (well, 99% of the
human race), eats wheat. Buy a hand grinder (about $50 for a cheap one
up to about $120 for a good one) and you have flour (wheat, rye, etc are
all good in flour). Then youhave bread, pasta, etc.
Or you can crack it (rough grind or two stones) and boil it, then let it
dry and you have wheat bulgar (good flavor and great with stews). Or just
take the whole wheat and let it cook in water overnight (crock pot or dutch
oven in the fire coals) and you have hot wheat cereal. (I love the stuff
with butter and honey!)
> Are you suggesting that wheat alone provides a balanced diet? If
so, I'd like
> to hear your credentials, please.
Just what I've read, mostly in books and pamphlets by Mormons.
I'm no authority.
>
> > The Mormons actually eat
> > the stuff today...
>
> Don't we all?
Well, yes, but generally only highly processed forms. Few
people buy a bag of wheat kernels and take them home for
cooking.
>
> >
> > You can even just throw some "berries" in your
> > mouth and chew.
>
> If you're Tyrannosaurus Rex. Wheat berries are like rocks.
Chewing wheat
> berries would give all the culinary satisfaction of chewing on a
dried
> navy bean.
Hmm, maybe I've a bit different, but eating them wasn't much
more work than beek jerky. They certainly taste better than dried
beans, and won't chase others out of the "bunker" <G>. I certainly
wouldn't CHOOSE to eat wheat this way if there was a choice of
prepared forms, but you *can*. There's no other food I know of that
stores so long, is such a complete foodstuff, and which requires no
preparation for a TRex to just chew and swallow.
Good comments, though! Thanks.
>
> Rosaria Locasso
>
>
In higher technology "Modern " fermentations, sometimes
"purified" enzymes are employed rather than malting. For
alchol fuel production there are tailored mixes commercially
available.
Les DeGroff
: If you're Tyrannosaurus Rex. Wheat berries are like rocks. Chewing wheat
: berries would give all the culinary satisfaction of chewing on a dried
: navy bean.
: Rosaria Locasso
Wheat berries??? I grew up on a farm, and they were called kernels, just
like corn. Possibly this is a US/Canadian thing. Anyway, I have eaten
raw wheat and it tastes much better than beans, which are bitter. The
nutty description in some of the other postings is much closer to the
truth. It would take about five minutes of sucking/light chewing to
crack the hull. The wheat then took on a chewing gum like texture. About
a teaspoon of wheat made one mouthful. This is probably hard on teeth,
and I would definitely recommend soaking or cooking it instead.
Neil
>In article <39p1s4$e...@shemesh.tis.com>, <loc...@tis.com> writes:
>> In article 10...@worldbank.org, eenge...@worldbank.org writes:
>> >
>> > Wheat is really an awesome food source...
>> > It won't sprout after a while, which means no vitamin C
>> > source, but is otherwise a complete meal.
>>
>> Are we talking about the same "wheat"? What do you mean "it's a
>> complete meal"?
>It has all essential amino acids, so you won't suffer any of
>the deficiency diseases like Berri berri and Pelagra. (I
>hope I have that right and spelled it right). There may be trace
>metals missing, but you can live on JUST whole wheat for a LONG time
>if you add Vitamin C.
>> Are you suggesting that wheat alone provides a balanced diet? If
>so, I'd like
>> to hear your credentials, please.
>Just what I've read, mostly in books and pamphlets by Mormons.
>I'm no authority.
Having read most, if not all, the alluded to pamphlets I cannot recall one
that claims wheat is a complete food source {contains all amino acids needed}
A Basic-4 diet (wheat, milk, sugar, salt) is complete in amino acids _only_
because of the inclusion of an animal protein source - milk. Even at that
the good programs call for addition of vitamin supplements, as does the LDS
(Mormon) church heirarchy. A Basic-4 diet is a __survival__ diet, and I can
assure you, having lived off it for a week, is a very boring diet.
Total vegetarians find they have to include a variety of legumes to get enough
of all amino acids. You'd have to hit the bookshelf at a good health-food
store to get the info.
On the topic of boring: Keep in mind that survival is emotionally ripping.
You'll need to do some shade-tree psychiatry, like livening up the diet, to
try to prevent serious problems. Reference _Life After Doomsday_.
I recall an older Canadian survival manual that said you could get most of your nutrients with two things that if properly stored last forever - wheat and honey.
I love bulgar too, though i don't know how you make it - i just be the processed stuff.
James...@nt.com
My opinions are MINE, MINE, MINE!
Think of it as partially cooked cracked wheat which allows later
cooking to be done faster and withough a long soak to loosen the
husk.
Well, in my opinion, this is a far cry from a complete meal. Perhaps you
meant to say that there are complete proteins in whole wheat products. (I've
never thought so, but I could be wrong. In general, grains need to be combined
with other foods in order to produce complete proteins.) In any case, just
having complete protein does not make for a balanced diet. Also, complete
protein will not prevent beriberi as this is caused by a deficiency of
Vitamin B1. According to the COD, the other deficiency disease you mentioned,
pellagra, is caused by a deficiency of nicotinic acid. (I have no idea where
nicotinic acid comes from in our diets.) As far as just surviving, simply being
able to hang on to life, I'm sure many who have been treated to a fare of bread
and water will attest to what you say.
> >
> > > The Mormons actually eat
> > > the stuff today...
> >
> > Don't we all?
> Well, yes, but generally only highly processed forms. Few
> people buy a bag of wheat kernels and take them home for
> cooking.
I misunderstood you here. I believe you just said "wheat" without specifying
the degree of processing. I should have known from the context that you were
talking about whole wheat berries.
In any case, I think that a more careful reading of those Mormon manuals would
seem to be in order. Otherwise, I fear that misinformation is (unintentionally)
being put forth as fact.
Rosaria Locasso
After I wrote this, I looked up nicotinic acid. According to the COD, this
is another name for Niacin, a vitamin in the B complex. It is found in milk,
liver and yeast.
Rosaria Locasso
>Rosaria Locasso
Yeast, huh? Does it survive baking? If so, homemade bread {a pleasure
beyond measure} could be listed as critical to long-term survival. Make that
sourdough, since commercial yeast supplies will dry up in weeks.
> After I wrote this, I looked up nicotinic acid. According to the COD, this
> is another name for Niacin, a vitamin in the B complex. It is found in milk,
> liver and yeast.
Yeast, huh?... Hmmm... Sounds like it's time to brew some beer with
that wheat. Gotta get that vitamin B(eer). ;)
--
Charles Scripter * cesc...@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931
In my opinion, bread is necessary anyway since it is good for the soul! :-)
I wondered why the dictionary chose those particular sources since, in general,
B vitamins are found in high protein foods. I did a little reading last night
and, sure enough, Niacin and other Bs are also found in meats, legumes, nuts,
etc. In addition, our bodies can make Niacin from the amino acid tryptophan.
You brought up a good point about yeast supplies. Those who would be bakers
would greatly enhance their skills by knowing how to keep and use starters.
Rosaria Locasso