I'm voting republican because...
Cliff
hk
A truly great video.
It's hard for me to understand why anyone would really want to vote for
McCain, since despite his claim he is a maverick, in reality, he's just
a continuation of the failed Bush administration in just about every way
possible.
And I wouldn't hire his running mate to work a lipstick counter at Macy's.
Rob Fraser
"hk" <payer...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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This should get real good...... 55 days left kids..
Poor Lil Johnny
"Cliff" <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Saddam McCain don't know where his home is.
Randy
>[
>I'm voting republican because...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>]
Democrats are currently in control of both the House and Senate, but
lets ingore that and blame Bush for everything.
You could call the Senate a tie but I'll call an Independent Democrat
a democrat.
Bush made lots of mistakes but he can only sign or veto what congress
gives him.
Thank You,
Randy
Remove 333 from email address to reply.
hk
So, Randy...who was in control of the White House, the Senate, and the
House on 9-11-2001?
Uhh_Clem
>
> And I wouldn't hire his running mate to work a lipstick counter at Macy's.
>
She's a knockout compared to most all the other toothless shrews you'll see
shopping walmart....
--
Rob Fraser
retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
greylock
Does the Vice-President live in the White House in your world?
How interesting !!!
And I wouldn't call it cruel - I'd call it - and you - assinine.
hk
I don't shop at China-Mart.
hk
> Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid who is
> retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
>
>
There's no need for that sort of stuff.
Tom Gardner
And you expect??? from the fringe left?
DrollTroll
Excellent, well done, hilarious.
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jimz
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U
CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
John R. Carroll
You have spelled George W. Bush incorrectly.
He has the same problem, that's why he's called "W".
EARLY 2001 - WHITE HOUSE DEPARTS FROM EFFORTS TO TRACK TERRORIST
MONEY: The new Bush Treasury Department "disapproved of the Clinton
Administration's approach to money laundering issues, which had been an
important part of the drive to cut off the money flow to bin Laden."
Specifically, the Bush Administration opposed Clinton
Administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for
Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with
"loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers.
Meanwhile, the Bush Administration provided "no funding for the new
National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center." [Source: The Age of Sacred
Terror, 2003]
APRIL 30, 2001 - BUSH ADMINISTRATION SAYS BIN LADEN FOCUS WAS
"MISTAKE": The Bush Administration released the government's annual
report on terrorism, but unlike previous Administrations, it decided to
specifically omit an "extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind
Osama bin Laden. A senior State Department official told CNN the U.S.
government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden."
Similarly, AP reported in 2002 that the Bush Administration's "national
security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior
to the Sept. 11 attacks yet terrorism was the topic during only two of
those sessions." [Source: CNN, 4/30/01; AP, 6/29/01]
The federal government was rapidly increasing its counter-terrorism
efforts at the time President Bush took office. As the New York Times
reported, Attorney General Janet Reno ended her tenure as "perhaps the
strongest advocate" of counterterrorism spending. Similarly, Newsweek
and the Washington Post reported National Security Adviser Sandy Berger
was "totally preoccupied" with the prospect of a domestic terror
attack, telling his replacement that they need to be "spending more
time on this issue" than on any other. The focus changed dramatically
when the Bush Administration took office.
ADMINISTRATION SHIFTED LAW ENFORCEMENT'S FOCUS OFF OF
COUNTER-TERRORISM: The New York Times reported that in the lead-up to
9/11, Attorney General John Ashcroft "said fighting terrorism was a top
priority of his agency," yet upon entering office, "he identified more
than a dozen other objectives for greater emphasis within the Justice
Department before the attacks." On Aug. 9, the Administration
distributed a strategic plan to the Justice Department highlighting its
new goals from a list of Clinton Administration goals. The item that
referred to intelligence and investigation of terrorists was left
un-highlighted. [Source: NY Times, 2/28/02]
ASHCROFT OVERRULED EFFORTS FOCUSED ON COUNTER-TERROR: Newsweek reported
that "in the spring of 2001, the attorney general had an extraordinary
confrontation with the then FBI Director Louis Freeh at an annual
meeting of special agents." The two talked before appearing, and
Ashcroft laid out his priorities for Freeh: "basically violent crime
and drugs," recalls one participant. Freeh replied bluntly that those
were not his priorities, and began to talk about terror and
counterterrorism. "Ashcroft didn't want to hear about it," says a
former senior law-enforcement official." [Source: Newsweek, 5/27/02]
BUSH ADMINISTRATION TERMINATED PROGRAM THAT TRACKED AL QAEDA: "In the
months before 9/11, the U.S. Justice Department curtailed a highly
classified program called 'Catcher's Mitt' to monitor Al Qaeda suspects
in the United States." [Source: Newsweek, 3/21/04]
SO LITTLE CONCERN FOR COUNTER-TERROR THAT A WHITE HOUSE TASK FORCE
NEVER MET: In January of 2001, the U.S. Government's bipartisan
Commission on National Security gave the White House a report that
warned of an attack on the homeland and urged the new Administration to
implement its specific "recommendations to prevent acts of domestic
terrorism. The Administration rejected the Commission's report,
"preferring to put aside the recommendations." Instead, the
Administration waited until May of 2001 to appoint Vice President
Cheney to head a task force "to combat terrorist attacks on the United
States." But according to the Washington Post, neither "Cheney's review
nor Bush's took place." Meanwhile, Newsweek reported that when senators
"sent a copy of draft legislation on counterterrorism and homeland
defense to Cheney's office on July 20," they were told by Cheney's top
aide "that it might be another six months before he would be able to
review the material." [Source: Salon, 9/12/04; White House release,
5/8/01; Washington Post, 1/20/02; Newsweek, 5/27/02]
WHITE HOUSE BEGAN EFFORT TO CUT COUNTER-TERRORISM PROGRAMS: The New
York Times reported that in its final 2003 budget request, the
Administration "called for spending increases in 68 programs, none of
which directly involved counterterrorism...In his Sept. 10 submission
to the budget office, Ashcroft did not endorse FBI requests for $58
million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence
analysts and 54 additional translators. Ashcroft proposed a $65 million
cut for a program that gives states and localities counterterrorism
grants for equipment, including radios and decontamination suits and
training." By comparison, "Under Janet Reno, the department's
counterterrorism budget increased 13.6% in the fiscal year 1999, 7.1%
in 2000 and 22.7% in 2001." [Source: NY Times, 2/28/02]
ADMINISTRATION LEFT "GAPS" IN MILITARY'S REQUEST FOR COUNTER-TERROR
FUNDS: The Washington Post reported that in its first budget, the White
House left "gaps" between "what military commanders said they needed to
combat terrorists and what they got." Newsweek noted that, among other
things, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld elected not to re-launch a
Predator drone that had been tracking bin Laden. When the Senate Armed
Services Committee tried to fill those gaps, "Rumsfeld said he would
recommend a veto" on September 9. [Source: Washington Post, 1/20/02;
Newsweek, 5/27/02; NY Times, 2/28/02]
ADMINISTRATION STOPPED PREDATOR FLIGHTS TRACKING AL QAEDA IN
AFGHANISTAN: AP reported "though Predator drones spotted Osama bin
Laden as many as three times in late 2000, the Bush administration did
not fly the unmanned planes over Afghanistan during its first eight
months." Additionally, "the military successfully tested an armed
Predator throughout the first half of 2001" but the White House "failed
to resolve a debate over whether the CIA or Pentagon should operate the
armed Predators" and the armed Predator never got off the ground before
9/11. [Source: AP, 6/25/03]
WHILE CUTTING COUNTER-TERROR, THE WHITE HOUSE SENT FUNDING TO THE
TALIBAN: At the same time the White House was trying to cut
counter-terrorism funding, it gave "$43 million in drought aid to
Afghanistan after the Taliban began a campaign against poppy growers."
As the 5/29/01 edition of Newsday noted, the Taliban rulers of
Afghanistan "are a decidedly odd choice for an outright gift of $43
million from the Bush Administration. This is the same government
against which the United Nation imposes sanctions, at the behest of the
United States, for refusing to turn over the terrorist mastermind Osama
bin Laden." [Washington Post, 9/23/01; Newsday, 5/29/01]
MAY 2002 - BUSH ADMINISTRATION MOVES TO PREVENT INDEPENDENT INQUIRY
OF 9/11: Months after 9/11, Vice President Cheney went on Fox News to
announce the Administration's full opposition to an independent 9/11
commission. As CBS News noted, the White House "opposed a commission"
from the start, claiming "it would tie up officials waging the war on
terror - and endanger U.S. secrets." [Source: Fox News, 5/19/02; CBS,
9/20/02]
"The new administration seems to be paying no
attention to the problem of terrorism. What
they will do is stagger along until there's a
major incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my
God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with
this?" - Paul Bremer, George W. Bush's future administrator in Iraq, Feb.
26, 2001.
Trent Lott Questioned by the Observer, London England, January 2001
Do you think it is fair that President Clinton is being accused of not
preventing the attack on the USS Cole?
LOTT: Well, in reality that is the way it is in America
and it is what makes us a great nation. True leaders must
handle difficult situations or have competent people
who handle those situations.
Sources did give information of a general nature to the
Administration and it is obvious that an attack still occured.
This is a more 'impeachable' offense than what was brought
before the Congress.
Fortunately, George Bush will in just a few days become
our President.
I can assure you that such situations will not be
mishandled by his Administration.
However general the information might be, the President-elect
will act with authority to prevent such tragedies.
And then there was 9-11-2001
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Tom Gardner
"John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
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> jimz wrote:
>> I don't want this to happen again.
>> http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U
>>
>> CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have gotten OBL a
number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay grade? (Good thing OBL
didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
John H.
>[
>I'm voting republican because...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>]
Could you folks please stop with the cross posting?
Vote however you wish.
--
John H.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
> Uhh_Clem wrote:
> > "hk" <payer33...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
Why not? You fill up at Saudi Mart.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:19 -0400, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >[
> >I'm voting republican because...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
> >]
>
> Democrats are currently in control of both the House and Senate, but
> lets ingore that and blame Bush for everything.
>
> You could call the Senate a tie but I'll call an Independent Democrat
> a democrat.
>
> Bush made lots of mistakes but he can only sign or veto what congress
> gives him.
STOP IT!!! Just STOP IT!!! Don't confuse these people with FACTS.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
He's not the brightest bulb...
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
> "John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in messagenews:Pcfyk.37$hc1...@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...> jimz wrote:
> >> I don't want this to happen again.
> >>http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U
>
> >> CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
>
> <snip>
>
> How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have gotten OBL a
> number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay grade? (Good thing OBL
> didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
Don't confuse Ms Carrol with the ugly truth.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
> "hk" <payer33...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
Yes, the libs are accepting of everyone. They celebrate diversity and
all that.
Jeff McCann
Your claimed "fact" isn't a fact at all.
"Q: Did Bill Clinton pass up a chance to kill Osama bin Laden?
Was Bill Clinton offered bin Laden on "a silver platter"? Did he refuse?
Was there cause at the time?
A: Probably not, and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no
evidence at the time that bin Laden had committed any crimes against
American citizens.
. . ."
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html
Jeff
fargo116
> [
> I'm voting republican because...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
> ]
"I'm going to jail and I feel the urge to squeal on someone." - Any
GOP Cocksucker
S. Olson
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
Two bombed American embassies in Africa? No suspects?
> . . ."http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chan...
>
> Jeff
John R. Carroll
> "John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
> message news:Pcfyk.37$hc1...@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> jimz wrote:
>>> I don't want this to happen again.
>>> http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U
>>>
>>> CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
> <snip>
>
> How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have gotten
> OBL a number of times but didn't?
I have addressed this issue repeatedly Tom.
In fact, I believe I've done so as a direct response to this very thing and
from you.
You know it, and that knowledge and your post shows you up for the liar you
are.
Apparently John Carroll University didn't trickle down.
stepininit
Jeffie typed ... "I'm voting republican because... I'm an idiot, like
Sarah Palin!
John R. Carroll
> Jeffie typed ... "I'm voting republican because... I'm an idiot, like
> Sarah Palin!
Palin isn't an idiot.
She's an opportunistic whore.
Aratzio
John H. <salmo...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
writing:
>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:19 -0400, Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>[
>>I'm voting republican because...
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>>]
>
>Could you folks please stop cross posting?
>
To where?
hk
No one takes John H (Herring) seriously. He pollutes rec.boats with
hundreds of offtopic posts and then whines when others do so, or when
someone comes in from another newsgroup.
rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W. Bush.
Aratzio
hk <payer...@mypacks.net> got double secret probation for writing:
>Aratzio wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:25:26 -0400, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>> John H. <salmo...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for
>> writing:
>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:19 -0400, Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [
>>>> I'm voting republican because...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>>>> ]
>>> Could you folks please stop cross posting?
>>>
>> To where?
>
>
>No one takes John H (Herring) seriously. He pollutes rec.boats with
>hundreds of offtopic posts and then whines when others do so, or when
>someone comes in from another newsgroup.
Did I ask about that? You have a troll problem? Really? Wingers? In
rec.boats? Well, let me introduce myself, I'm Ratz, I'm the fuckhead
of AUK.
McCain and Palin of pandering fuckstumps.
Snarky
arrogant assertions, erroneous presuppositions, and/or obfuscations:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:19 -0400, Cliff wrote:
>>[
>>I'm voting republican because...
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU ]
>
> Could you folks please stop cross posting?
>
>
> Thanks
Sorry, but that wouldn't be feasible until after you get fucked. That is,
by the GOP.
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>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:19 -0400, Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>[
>>I'm voting republican because...
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>>]
>
>lets ingore that and blame Bush for everything.
Given the majority of 1 in the Senate, nothing happens without the
consent of the Republicans.
>You could call the Senate a tie but I'll call an Independent Democrat
>a democrat.
I call an independant Republican a republican.
>Bush made lots of mistakes but he can only sign or veto what congress
>gives him.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Get a clue.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have gotten OBL a
>number of times but didn't?
Because it's a right-wing fabrication.
--
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Curly Surmudgeon
> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W. Bush.
My condolences. <shudder>
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Jerry
"John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
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> stepininit wrote:
>> Jeffie typed ... "I'm voting republican because... I'm an idiot, like
>> Sarah Palin!
>
> Palin isn't an idiot.
> She's an opportunistic whore.
I guess the left needs someone to hate now that Bush is leaving on top.
Can't let all that hate sit there and fester.
Curly Surmudgeon
Back to the thread...
Seems that Palin is a Republican in the Bush mold alright. She says she's
against earmarks yet hired a consultant to pursue them and got almost $200
million for Alaska, a state with a population of but 670,053. That's
about $300 of pork for every resident...
Sid9
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Which reality do live in?
Surely not the reality that contains this news group.
Hawke
> Democrats are currently in control of both the House and Senate, but
> lets ingore that and blame Bush for everything.
>
> You could call the Senate a tie but I'll call an Independent Democrat
> a democrat.
>
> Bush made lots of mistakes but he can only sign or veto what congress
> gives him.
Sorry but you are incorrect. The Democrats are not in control of the
congress. They are in the majority but only by one vote in the senate and by
a fairly small margin in the house. That means they have the power to make
some decisions regarding scheduling, what bills come up for a vote, and who
gets the chairmanship of committees. But by no means are they in control.
With Bush having a veto and a lot of republican party members in both houses
it makes the Democrats unable to actually accomplish anything. When you can
accomplish nothing that pretty much means you aren't in control of anything.
You will have to wait until next year and then they will be in control. That
is also when you will begin to see some positive changes made.
Hawke
Hawke
> > How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have gotten
> > OBL a number of times but didn't?
>
> I have addressed this issue repeatedly Tom.
> In fact, I believe I've done so as a direct response to this very thing
and
> from you.
> You know it, and that knowledge and your post shows you up for the liar
you
> are.
> Apparently John Carroll University didn't trickle down.
Old habits die hard and with right wingers they never die at all. Once one
of them seizes on an idea they never let go of it. It's irrelevant whether
it was ever true or not. They believe it to be true, so to them it is, and
you can never correct them. It's like trying to teach math to a chimp. You
can try all you want but they never get it.
Hawke
Hawke
"hk" <payer...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> Rob Fraser wrote:
> > Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid
who is
> > retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
> >
> >
>
>
> There's no need for that sort of stuff.
Why not? I remember the right wingers saying things about the Clinton's
having two dogs while in the White House. So I guess it's your turn to be on
the receiving end this time. Turn about is fair play.
Hawke
The Chief Instigator
> stepininit wrote:
>> Jeffie typed ... "I'm voting republican because... I'm an idiot, like
>> Sarah Palin!
>
> Palin isn't an idiot.
> She's an opportunistic whore.
She's a problem for her state - which has fewer people than are living
within about a six-mile radius of where I'm typing this.
--
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Jerry
"Hawke" <desmi...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>
> It's like trying to teach math to a chimp.
Curly Surmudgeon
Thank you for proving their point.
Snarky
arrogant assertions, erroneous presuppositions, and/or obfuscations:
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:25:11 -0400, hk wrote:
>>
>>> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
>>> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W. Bush.
>>
>>My condolences. <shudder>
>
Or else you'll cry and throw a tantrum?
Randy
>Randy wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:19 -0400, Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [
>>> I'm voting republican because...
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>>> ]
>>
>> Democrats are currently in control of both the House and Senate, but
>> lets ingore that and blame Bush for everything.
>>
>> You could call the Senate a tie but I'll call an Independent Democrat
>> a democrat.
>>
>> Bush made lots of mistakes but he can only sign or veto what congress
>> gives him.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Randy
>>
>> Remove 333 from email address to reply.
>
>
>So, Randy...who was in control of the White House, the Senate, and the
>House on 9-11-2001?
Who was in the WH when all that was being planned and the terrorists
were being trained? Keep your eyes closed and just point to the
current POTUS. I see enough blame to go around to at least the last 4
administrations.
IIRC, the Islam VS USA attacks date back to the 1970's.
Thank You,
Randy
Remove 333 from email address to reply.
Randy
<desmi...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Democrats are currently in control of both the House and Senate, but
>> lets ingore that and blame Bush for everything.
>>
>> You could call the Senate a tie but I'll call an Independent Democrat
>> a democrat.
>>
>> Bush made lots of mistakes but he can only sign or veto what congress
>> gives him.
>
>
>
>Hawke
>
Your statemant can also be put this way.......
>Sorry but you are incorrect. The Republicans are not in control of the
>congress. They are in the minority, but only by one vote in the senate and by
>a fairly small margin in the house. That means they have very little power to make
>some decisions regarding scheduling, what bills come up for a vote, and who
>gets the chairmanship of committees. But by no means are they in control.
>With Bush having a veto and a lot of Democractic party members in both houses
>it makes the Rebulicans unable to actually accomplish anything. When you can
>accomplish nothing that pretty much means you aren't in control of anything.
So then who the hell is in contrrol?????
Stuart Wheaton
>> So, Randy...who was in control of the White House, the Senate, and the
>> House on 9-11-2001?
>
> Who was in the WH when all that was being planned and the terrorists
> were being trained?
Richard Clarke was there. Remember him, he gave Condi a brief about
"Bin Ladin determined to attack US", including using airliners. As a
reward for dismissing these warnings, Condi was given Sec. State.
Aratzio
<WaIIy@(nft).invalid> bloviated:
>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:31:09 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon
><curlysu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:25:11 -0400, hk wrote:
>>
>>> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
>>> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W. Bush.
>>
>>My condolences. <shudder>
>
>Quit crossposting, you dumb fuck
To where? alt.impeach.bush?
Aratzio
<popes...@caballista.organ> bloviated:
>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:59:25 -0400, WaIIy wrote these lies, denials,
>arrogant assertions, erroneous presuppositions, and/or obfuscations:
>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:31:09 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:25:11 -0400, hk wrote:
>>>
>>>> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
>>>> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W. Bush.
>>>
>>>My condolences. <shudder>
>>
>> Quit crossposting, you dumb fuck
>
>Or else you'll cry and throw a tantrum?
Or snip his group and hope you do not notice.
Lamont Cranston
>> jimz wrote:
>>> I don't want this to happen again.
>>> http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U
>>>
>>> CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
> <snip>
>
> How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could
> have gotten
> grade? (Good
> thing OBL didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
Different day, same old debunked stories. The 9/11
Commission report stated that it found no evidence that
Clinton could have ever captured OBL.
Michael A. Terrell
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> On Sep 11, 7:04 pm, "Tom Gardner" <t...@ohiobrush.com>
> > messagenews:Pcfyk.37$hc1...@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...>
> > >> I don't want this to happen again.
> > >>http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U
> >
> > >> CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could
> > have gotten
> > OBL a
> > number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay grade?
> > (Good thing
> > OBL
> > didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
>
Your "truth" is a lie told originally by NewsMax. Read the
9/11 Commission Report for the truth.
www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf
(bottom of page 3):
"These contacts with Sudan, which went on for years, have
become a source of controversy. Former Sudanese officials
claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United
States. Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving
such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to
support the Sudanese claim."
Gunner
<FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net> wrote:
>Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid who is
>retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
>
And if Obama/Biden wins..there will be a village idiot AND a retard in
the White House.
hk
Oh? Will Bush be coming for a visit? He's a real twofer - a village
idiot and a retard, rolled into one.
Curly Surmudgeon
Condoleeza Rice was given the "Employee of the Month" award for her lying
in front of Congress in April 2004. Not only is she the best liar but has
bigger balls than anyone in the Bush Administration. That's one scary
lady!
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:31:09 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon
> <curlysu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:25:11 -0400, hk wrote:
>>
>>> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
>>> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W. Bush.
>>
>>My condolences. <shudder>
>
> Quit crossposting, you dumb fuck
Uhm, the problem, and fault, is yours. Why don't you snip your favorite
newsgroup from the list? Nobody knows which one you're cross-posting from.
Hawke
> > > >> CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could
> > > have gotten
> > > OBL a
> > > number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay grade?
> > > (Good thing
> > > OBL
> > > didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
> >
> > Don't confuse Ms Carrol with the ugly truth.
>
> Your "truth" is a lie told originally by NewsMax. Read the
> 9/11 Commission Report for the truth.
>
> www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf
> (bottom of page 3):
If you think that by informing our right wingers of the truth about the
subject it will have any effect on their beliefs you are out of your mind.
The point is those guys don't care about the truth so informing them won't
do any good. They believe what they want to believe and even if you show
them they are wrong they still won't change their minds. That's just the way
they are.
Hawke
Hawke
"Gunner" <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:5s6lc4hf0t6obbgmk...@4ax.com...
Yeah, but unlike Sara Palin they know what the Bush Doctrine is. In her
interview with Charles Gibson Palin did not know what the Bush Doctrine was
and had to start making things up. She's ready for the White House, oh yeah!
So's Martha Stewart.
Hawke
Hawke
"Stuart Wheaton" <sdwh...@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:af287$48ca77b5$d0660e36$24...@FUSE.NET...
That's another example of Bush's good judgment on who should do the
important jobs in his administration. Remember when he nominated his
personal lawyer Harriet Meyers for the Supreme Court? He can really pick'em
can't he? Donald Rumsfeld, Brownie? Now we should pick McCain so he can
rehire the same people?
Hawke
Roy Blankenship
> Randy wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:19 -0400, Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> [
> >> I'm voting republican because...
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
> >> ]
> >
> > lets ingore that and blame Bush for everything.
> >
> > You could call the Senate a tie but I'll call an Independent Democrat
> > a democrat.
> >
> > Bush made lots of mistakes but he can only sign or veto what congress
> > gives him.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > Remove 333 from email address to reply.
>
>
> House on 9-11-2001?
Yeah, let's ingore (sic) it.....
Roy Blankenship
"Uhh_Clem" <Cl...@bozos.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > And I wouldn't hire his running mate to work a lipstick counter at
Macy's.
> >
>
> She's a knockout compared to most all the other toothless shrews you'll
see
> shopping walmart....
Right looks, wrong attitude......
Roy Blankenship
"Rob Fraser" <FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net> wrote in message
news:uc2dnfRq06Po81TV...@comcast.com...
> Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid who
is
> retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
>
>
Actually, her kid will have more of a clue because he won't want to be
ANYTHING like his parents....
Roy Blankenship
"greylock" <silv...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:16:05 -0500, "Rob Fraser"
> <FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net> wrote:
>
> >Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid who
is
> >retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
> >
>
> How interesting !!!
>
> And I wouldn't call it cruel - I'd call it - and you - assinine.
All the bullshit the neocons have thrown out? Give it a rest.
McCain won't finish his term, and then she WILL be in the White House.
Roy Blankenship
"jimz" <j...@tricomachine.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
CLINTON!! CLINTON!! CLINTON!!
Curly Surmudgeon
"He's dead, Jim" --Doctor McCoy
Curly Surmudgeon
Dan Quayle and Dick Cheney have proven the dangers of electing an
administration with a terrible 2nd in command. Palin is another
bible-thumping crazymotherfucker (yeah, I know that's redundant) that
risks our civli liberties.
At least what is left of them.
Cliff
wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:59:25 -0400, WaIIy wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:31:09 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon
>> <curlysu...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:25:11 -0400, hk wrote:
>>>
>>>> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
>>>> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W. Bush.
>>>
>>>My condolences. <shudder>
>>
>> Quit crossposting, you dumb fuck
>
>Uhm, the problem, and fault, is yours. Why don't you snip your favorite
>newsgroup from the list? Nobody knows which one you're cross-posting from.
Usually they just snip all the other groups from their posts .....
what a hoot.
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Jerry
"Roy Blankenship" <point...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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More of a clue and more of a charmed life than anyone in these newsgroups.
Good for him. Libs can only talk about how they dreamed they helped someone
less fortunate than them.
technomaNge
>>>> How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could
>>>> have gotten
>>>> OBL a
>>>> number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay grade?
>>>> (Good thing
>>>> OBL
>>>> didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
>>> Don't confuse Ms Carrol with the ugly truth.
>> Your "truth" is a lie told originally by NewsMax. Read the
>> 9/11 Commission Report for the truth.
Apparently the Commission didn't hear Bubba when he said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo2lQe81xk
technomaNge
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> Hawke wrote:
>
>>>>> How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could
>>>>> have gotten
>>>>> OBL a
>>>>> number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay grade?
>>>>> (Good thing
>>>>> OBL
>>>>> didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
>>>> Don't confuse Ms Carrol with the ugly truth.
>>> Your "truth" is a lie told originally by NewsMax. Read the
>>> 9/11 Commission Report for the truth.
>
> Apparently the Commission didn't hear Bubba when he said it.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo2lQe81xk
>
www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf
(bottom of page 3):
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Jerry
"WaIIy" <WaIIy@(nft).invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:31:09 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon
> <curlysu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:25:11 -0400, hk wrote:
>>
>>> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
>>> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W. Bush.
>>
>>My condolences. <shudder>
>
> Quit crossposting, you dumb fuck
Thanks for your accurate testimonial. Now quit cross-posting yourself.
technomaNge
Perhaps, but you are changing the subject. Little Chicken said
upstream that it was a lie, told by NewsMax. This just proves
that the tweet is full of feathers, as usual.
Ray Fischer
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laughing at the antics of Curly Surmudgeon, when they suddenly burst out
in tears:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:24:30 -0700, Roy Blankenship wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:16:05 -0500, "Rob Fraser" wrote:
>>>
>>> >Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid
>>> >who
>> is
>>> >retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White
>>> >House.
>>> >
>>> Does the Vice-President live in the White House in your world?
>>>
>>> How interesting !!!
>>>
>>> And I wouldn't call it cruel - I'd call it - and you - assinine.
>>
>> All the bullshit the neocons have thrown out? Give it a rest.
>>
>> McCain won't finish his term, and then she WILL be in the White House.
>
> Dan Quayle and Dick Cheney have proven the dangers of electing an
> administration with a terrible 2nd in command. Palin is another
> bible-thumping crazymotherfucker (yeah, I know that's redundant) that
> risks our civli liberties.
Yeah, no one's crazy enough to assassinate the prez when the replacement
would be far worse.
> At least what is left of them.
Well, you can always hope SCOTUS looks out for 'em...
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laughing at the antics of Aratzio, when they suddenly burst out in tears:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:54:58 GMT, in alt.usenet.kooks, Snarky bloviated:
>>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:59:25 -0400, WaIIy wrote these lies, denials,
>>arrogant assertions, erroneous presuppositions, and/or obfuscations:
>>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:31:09 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:25:11 -0400, hk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
>>>>> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W.
>>>>> Bush.
>>>>
>>>>My condolences. <shudder>
>>>
>>> Quit crossposting, you dumb fuck
>>
>
> Or snip his group and hope you do not notice.\
Why, that little brat! I'll remember that.
Curly Surmudgeon
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protect me, mine, or ours.
Observer
Well, let's ignore your ignorance that the veep does not reside at the
White House... so let's pretend they do.... so the question becomes:
And that differs from the current residents, exactly HOW?
__
Peak oil? I dunno.
Obama vs McCain? PEAK BULLSHIT!
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> Yeah, no one's crazy enough to assassinate the prez when the replacement
> would be far worse.
The way she has excited "the base", I'm thinking there are quite a few
nut-jobs that would have her at the top of the ticket, one way or the
other.
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> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:24:30 -0700, Roy Blankenship wrote:
>
> >news:q8tic49b0mjj5p8ut...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:16:05 -0500, "Rob Fraser"
> >> <FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net> wrote:
>
> >> >Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid who
> > is
> >> >retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
>
> >> Does the Vice-President live in the White House in your world?
>
> >> How interesting !!!
>
> >> And I wouldn't call it cruel - I'd call it - and you - assinine.
>
> > All the bullshit the neocons have thrown out? Give it a rest.
>
> > McCain won't finish his term, and then she WILL be in the White House.
>
> Dan Quayle and Dick Cheney have proven the dangers of electing an
> administration with a terrible 2nd in command. Palin is another
> bible-thumping crazymotherfucker (yeah, I know that's redundant) that
> risks our civli liberties.
>
> At least what is left of them.
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
Curly, Roy is saying Sarah Palin will be president and you give us
Quayle and Cheney??? Do you ever read what it is you are replying to,
or do you just unroll the dem talking points scroll and start
posting?
Neither Quayle nor Cheney have become president. And Hillary was more
of a VP than Algore.
Gunner Asch
>Gunner wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:16:05 -0500, "Rob Fraser"
>> <FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid who is
>>> retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
>>>
>> And if Obama/Biden wins..there will be a village idiot AND a retard in
>> the White House.
>>
>
>
>Oh? Will Bush be coming for a visit? He's a real twofer - a village
>idiot and a retard, rolled into one.
Actually..no.
now if you visit your massiah..it would be a village idiot, a retard
and a useless eater in the White House
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>Hail Eris! On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:34:48 -0700, Eris Kallisti Discordia was
>laughing at the antics of Aratzio, when they suddenly burst out in tears:
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:54:58 GMT, in alt.usenet.kooks, Snarky bloviated:
>>>On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:59:25 -0400, WaIIy wrote these lies, denials,
>>>arrogant assertions, erroneous presuppositions, and/or obfuscations:
>>>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:31:09 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:25:11 -0400, hk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> rec.boats, in fact, is pretty much dead as a boating discussion
>>>>>> newsgroup. It's been pretty much taken over by fans of George W.
>>>>>> Bush.
>>>>>
>>>>>My condolences. <shudder>
>>>>
>>>> Quit crossposting, you dumb fuck
>>>
>>>Or else you'll cry and throw a tantrum?
>>
>> Or snip his group and hope you do not notice.\
>
>Why, that little brat! I'll remember that.
Quite the dingy.
Gunner Asch
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>
>"Cliff" <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> [
>> I'm voting republican because...
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>
>Saddam McCain don't know where his home is.
>
so in which of the 58 states is it really?
snicker
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>
>"John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
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>> jimz wrote:
>>> I don't want this to happen again.
>>> http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U
>>>
>>> CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
><snip>
>
>How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have gotten OBL a
>number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay grade? (Good thing OBL
>didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
>
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Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri,
considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11
attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to
obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's
personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in
the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania
and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of
carrying out the embassy attacks.
Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.
The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers,
Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque
as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed
Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.
Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.
But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in
February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's
religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then
again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come
to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's
intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.
Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in
Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger
and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data
available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither
did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they
never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not.
Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national
security threat.
And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the
deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White
House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to
be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism
official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally
whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal
after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S.
counter-terrorism officials.
The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as
the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver
him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there
to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton
officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal
politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly
organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their
potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most
serious foreign policy failures in American history.
*
Mansoor Ijaz, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, is
chairman of a New York-based investment company.
Gunner Asch
>Tom Gardner <t...@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>>How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have gotten OBL a
>>number of times but didn't?
>
>Because it's a right-wing fabrication.
Gunner Asch
<Lamont....@MeAndMy.com> wrote:
>Tom Gardner wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com>
>> wrote in
>> message news:Pcfyk.37$hc1...@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> jimz wrote:
>>>> I don't want this to happen again.
>>>> http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=8mKpOKK5S_U
>>>>
>>>> CLINTON dropped the ball on this one.
>> <snip>
>>
>> How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could
>> have gotten
>> OBL a number of times but didn't? Was it above his pay
>> grade? (Good
>> thing OBL didn't change his name to "Vince Foster")
>
>Different day, same old debunked stories. The 9/11
>Commission report stated that it found no evidence that
>Clinton could have ever captured OBL.
Cites?
Gunner Asch
sounds almost as bad as the Bush!! Bush!! Bush!! mantra spewing out of
the leftards, doesnt it?
Gunner Asch
even Biden admits Hillary is better than he is.
Biden: Hillary a Better Pick Than Me
September 10, 2008 5:17 PM
ABC News' Matthew Jaffe reports: Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., vice
presidential nominee, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., Wednesday said that Sen.
Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., might have been a better pick for the
position than him.
At a rally in Nashua, N.H., a man in the audience told Biden how glad
he was that Obama picked him over Hillary, "not because she's a woman,
but because, look at the things she did in the past."
"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as
qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the
United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close
personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States
of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United
States of America, and quite frankly, it might have been a better pick
than me. But she’s first rate, I mean that sincerely, she’s first
rate, so let’s get that straight."
Spokesman Ben Porritt offered this response from the McCain camp:
"Barack Obama’s most important decision of this election, and Biden --
the candidate he selects -- suggests, himself, that he wasn’t the
right man for the job, and that Hillary Clinton would have been a
better choice. Biden certainly has a credible viewpoint on this."
Gunner Asch
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Sep 11, 4:15 pm, "Tom Gardner" <t...@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>> "hk" <payer33...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:TfWdneXGF7Ns5VTV...@comcast.com...
>>
>> > Rob Fraser wrote:
>> >> Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid who
>> >> is retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White
>> >> House.
>>
>> > There's no need for that sort of stuff.
>>
>> And you expect??? from the fringe left?
>
>Yes, the libs are accepting of everyone. They celebrate diversity and
>all that.
Diversity in academia
"Diversity of viewpoints means a black marxist, a transgender marxist,
a feminist marxist and a gay marxist faculty member all sitting around
planning the protests to prevent a Conservative from speaking on
campus"
Diversity in general
" tolerance, like diversity" is defined as a group that includes a
black Marxist, a lesbian Marxist, a Latino Marxist, a transgender
Marxist, a feminist Marxist, a Native American Marxist, and so forth.
The one kind of diversity not tolerated is diversity of political
view or values."
Contemporary liberalism honors diversity and tolerance above all, but
what it calls by those names is different from what has been so called
in the past. Its diversity denigrates and excludes ordinary people,
and
its tolerance requires speech codes, quotas, and compulsory training
in
correct opinions and attitudes. Nor do current liberal totems and
tabus
have a clear connection with letting people live as they wish.
Prohibitions, both grand and petty, multiply. To outsiders the rules
often seem simply arbitrary: prayer is forbidden while instruction in
the use of condoms is required; smoking and furs are outrages,
abortion
and sodomy fundamental rights.
Many of these oddities can be explained by reference to the specific
understanding of tolerance held by contemporary liberals. "Tolerance"
is
traditionally understood procedurally, to mean letting people do what
they want. Contemporary liberals understand it substantively, to
require
equal respect as a fact of social life. These understandings are
radically inconsistent. As a political matter, procedural tolerance
calls for laissez-faire, while substantive tolerance requires
pervasive
administrative control of social life. A regime that adopts
substantive
tolerance as its goal must be intolerant procedurally because it must
control the attitudes people have toward each other, and any serious
attempt to do so will require means that are unforgiving and despotic.
The issue may be clarified by contrasting a libertarian state, one
that
holds to the traditional view, with one that favors the newer view. A
libertarian state is in one sense the most tolerant possible, but in
another does not care about the matter. You can do whatever you want
as
long as you do not violate certain clearly defined rights. As a
result,
a libertarian state is indifferent between tolerant and intolerant
ways
of life as long as the intolerance does not take the form of physical
attack or violation of property rights. It may in fact be quite
hospitable to intolerance. For example, such a state is structurally
unforgiving of certain weaknesses, because it has no public welfare
system, and that structural feature is likely to be reflected in
unforgiving social attitudes.
In contrast, the multicultural welfare state that contemporary
liberals
favor is intended to promote social tolerance in the sense of equal
respect. To do so, it must be intolerant of many ways of life that do
not directly injure or interfere with others. For example, laws
against
discrimination are intolerant of the ways of life called "racist,"
"sexist," "homophobic," and so on. They force people to associate with
others against their will, denying them the right to choose those with
whom they will live and work. Since sexual distinctions and religious
and ethnic loyalties permeate and organize the life of all societies,
the multicultural welfare state is in fact intolerant of all actual
ways
of life, and committed in the name of tolerance to transform them
radically through the use of force. The new tolerance thus means that
no
one except a few ideologues can live as he wants.
Ideally, substantive tolerance would require treatment of all ways of
life as equal in value. That is not possible, since there are
intolerant
ways of life, some aggressively so. It follows that only those ways of
life can be treated as equal that are acceptably tolerant of other
ways.
When two ways of life exclude each other, for example voluntary ethnic
separatism and universal inclusivity, the contemporary liberal state
must suppress one in favor of the other. Since contemporary liberalism
rejects the libertarian standard of requiring only respect for
property
and avoidance of physical aggression, the ways of life that are
acceptably tolerant are not those that leave others alone in the most
direct and obvious sense. On that view the ethnic separatists would
prevail, which they assuredly do not. Instead, a more substantive
criterion is applied.
The liberal criterion seems to be that a way of life is tolerant only
if
it accepts the view that one man is as good as another, and whatever a
man likes is good for him. Such a definition of "tolerant" seems
necessary to explain the way liberals use the word. On such a view all
ways of life are equally valuable because all persons and therefore
all
preferences are equal; to say that one way of life is better than
another is simply to say that those who like to live that way are
better
than others, and is in itself an intolerant act since what people say
forms the social environment in which all live. As a criterion for the
acceptability of ways of life, this definition is demanding to the
point
of what would ordinarily be called intolerance; it turns out that to
be
tolerant is to hold a very specific and rather unusual moral theory,
one
that considers persons objectively valuable but all else valuable only
subjectively. All those who hold moral theories that recognize
objective
substantive goods, for example all adherents of traditional religions,
are by definition "intolerant."
But if liberalism tolerates only a particular and highly contestable
moral theory that few people hold, how does it differ from theocratic
systems it has historically viewed as intolerant? It seems no more
tolerant to insist that we be drilled in the doctrine and casuistry of
inclusiveness than that of the Church. The procedural intolerance of a
political regime depends less on its basis in religion or otherwise
than
on the clarity of its ends, its dedication to achieving them, and the
strength and variety of the things it must overcome to do so. Liberals
are often very clear as to what they want, highly dedicated to their
ideals, and vividly conscious of the strength of the impulses, habits
and institutions that stand in the way of achieving them. Why expect
them to display tolerance as tolerance is traditionally conceived? A
council of civil rights lawyers may have no more forbearance than a
council of theologians. It is likely to have less, since its members
place more emphasis on the ability of those who happen to hold power
to
make of the world what they will.
More and more, the new tolerance is destroying the old. The modern
liberal state is no longer limited except in the sense that it is not
authorized to deviate from liberalism, and to be limited in that sense
is simply to be subject to control by an ideological elite. Respect
for
the views of the people is no longer a serious principle. Such an
outcome is paradoxical: liberalism began with worries about mixing
ultimate moral questions with politics, and a desire to limit
government
and make it responsible to the people. It has ended in a system that
cares nothing about such things.
Write the author, Jim Kalb, with any comments. Also, this essay, and
the
issues it deals with, can be discussed on our discussion board, Pro et
Contra. Your participation is welcome.
"As my father told me long ago, the objective is not to convince
someone
with your arguments but to provide the arguments with which he later
convinces himself."
David Friedman
Cliff
wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:13:18 -0700, "Poor Lil Johnny" <ti...@alas.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Cliff" <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:15jic45i01ol4pd0q...@4ax.com...
>>> [
>>> I'm voting republican because...
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>>
>>Saddam McCain don't know where his home is.
>>
>so in which of the 58 states is it really?
Born in Panama.
--
Cliff
Ray Fischer
>On 12 Sep 2008 03:02:25 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Tom Gardner <t...@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>>>How come you don't address the fact that Clinton could have gotten OBL a
>>>number of times but didn't?
>>
>>Because it's a right-wing fabrication.
>December 5, 2001
> Talk about it E-mail story Print
>
>Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Despite the fact that you fascists think that you can murder anybody
you don't like, Clinton had no legal jusification for doing anything
to bin Laden.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Sep 12, 5:58 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <curlysurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:24:30 -0700, Roy Blankenship wrote:
>>
>> > "greylock" <silver...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >news:q8tic49b0mjj5p8ut...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:16:05 -0500, "Rob Fraser"
>> >> <FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Well this is cruel but true- If the Republicans do win, She has a kid who
>> > is
>> >> >retarded so there will technically still be a retard in the White House.
>>
>> >> Does the Vice-President live in the White House in your world?
>>
>> >> How interesting !!!
>>
>> >> And I wouldn't call it cruel - I'd call it - and you - assinine.
>>
>> > All the bullshit the neocons have thrown out? Give it a rest.
>>
>> > McCain won't finish his term, and then she WILL be in the White House.
>>
>> Dan Quayle and Dick Cheney have proven the dangers of electing an
>> administration with a terrible 2nd in command. Palin is another
>> bible-thumping crazymotherfucker (yeah, I know that's redundant) that
>> risks our civli liberties.
>>
>> At least what is left of them.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Curly
>
> Curly, Roy is saying Sarah Palin will be president and you give us
> Quayle and Cheney???
Where is your cognitive disconnect? Cheney and Quayle were Vice
Presidents of the United States, no? Cheney and Quayle were one heartbeat
away from the Presidency, no? Cheney and Quayle were horrid examples of
what "might have been" if they had ascended the throne, no?
How does that differ in kind, not detail, from Sarah Palin ascending to
the Presidency when/if McCain is elected and dies?
> Do you ever read what it is you are replying to, or do you just unroll
> the dem talking points scroll and start posting?
"Phoney Outrage" is the term, you make shit up to get your panties in a
bunch. Follow the logic, even though that appears difficult in your case.
> Neither Quayle nor Cheney have become president. And Hillary was more
> of a VP than Algore.
Nor has Sarah Palin "become" president. Perhaps parallel thinking is
difficult for you but not the rest of us.
Curly Surmudgeon
---Snipped distractions and probably some more lies---
Hey Weasel!
Where's that offered proof there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Still spouting the bullshit that the U.S. Economy is just peachy, you
lying piece of shit...
Curly Surmudgeon
Gunner Asch
<farg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sep 11, 10:55 am, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> [
>> I'm voting republican because...
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU
>> ]
>
>"I'm going to jail and I feel the urge to squeal on someone." - Any
>GOP Cocksucker
>
>S. Olson
"Im going to jail and I feel the urge to squeal as everyone fucks me
in the ass" Any Liberal
Curly Surmudgeon
---snip---
> "Im going to jail and I feel the urge to squeal as everyone fucks me in
> the ass" Any Liberal
--
Hawke
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:48cc1805$0$33563$742e...@news.sonic.net...
Well, there's the rub. The righties don't see where they need legal
justification for anything they do. They think if they are in charge that
means they aren't subject to the law. It's also the reason why after they
are done ruling they wind up behind bars. If Obama is elected don't be
surprised to see a number of well known republicans getting convicted of
crimes for not paying attention to the law.
Hawke
Gunner Asch
You seemed to have missed acts of terrorism against americans bin
Ladin admitted to being responsible for.
Your snippage of things that refute you is also noted with vast
amusement.
Gunner