Dual citizenship , passports.
Dan Goodman
In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.97083...@toastman.us.itd.umich.edu>,
<ca...@umich.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>I saw a post here quite a long time ago that told of a web page for
>getting a second citizenship and passport to an indegenous tribe here in
>the us. Supposedly near Nw Orleans.
>Anyone remember this?
>It only cost about 50 dollars for the citizenship and 200 for the passport
>which would be legal documents.
>Or any ideas where else I could get a second citizenship?
Pay me $195, and I'll get you Martian citizenship. Reduced to $1.95 if
you're willing and able to go pick up the papers yourself.
And that's probably worth as much as most of the second citizenship
schemes are.
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akia
ca...@umich.com wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I saw a post here quite a long time ago that told of a web page for
> getting a second citizenship and passport to an indegenous tribe here in
> the us. Supposedly near Nw Orleans.
> Anyone remember this?
Hi,
not that one but I've seen other pay for citizenship deals.
there are supposedly deals with questionable african contries where for
a "donation" to an "agricultural project" you can get citizenship and a
passport.
beaucoup bucks and you most likely end up with a passport recognized in
iran, iraq, red china, and north korea along with a few "worker's
paradises" in africa.
> It only cost about 50 dollars for the citizenship and 200 for the passport
> which would be legal documents.
the deals I've seen were asking that much for the info packet.
> Or any ideas where else I could get a second citizenship?
there are some LEGIT 2nd citizenship oportunities.
parents or grandparents Irish?? (it may even go back to grandparents,
I'm not sure, doesn't apply to me).
I qualify for a French citizenship because my mother came he for the
french government.
Germany will grant german citizenship for those of german
heritage...don't know how close you have to be...it's like the Irish
deal kinda...so many generations back.
the US doesn't really get upset about 2nd citizenships...though you
can't do certain things theoretically....
these laws exist in most of europe because of the shifting borders...the
franco-german border has shifted back and forth dozens of times over the
centuries....to the point that Aachen Germany (known to the french as
Aix-la-Chapelle) was the seat of Charlemagne Government...and
Charlemagne was the King of the Francs....now it's not very FAR over the
border (any border, it's Close to the netherlands, belgium, and
france...right in the corner)...but Aachen was the only city in Germany
where my French was more usefull than my English :->
and then there is that city inside the netherlands....the Belgian City
totally INSIDE the netherlands...it's weird.
but look thru your ancestry, you might come up with a 2nd citizenship
there someplace.
Alex Thome
I have dual citizen ship, because one of my parents is of german origin
and the other of american. I believe you have to make a choice at the age
of 18 if you want to remain citizen of either country. You can only choose
one. If these laws have changed, let me know.
Alex
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On Sun, 31 Aug 1997 ca...@umich.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> I saw a post here quite a long time ago that told of a web page for
> getting a second citizenship and passport to an indegenous tribe here in
> the us. Supposedly near Nw Orleans.
> Anyone remember this?
> It only cost about 50 dollars for the citizenship and 200 for the passport
> which would be legal documents.
> Or any ideas where else I could get a second citizenship?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Kindest regards,
> Mark
>
> Please change com to edu on address for reply.
> Thank you
>
>
>
>
Richard A. De Castro
dsg...@visi.com (Dan Goodman) writes:
>In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.97083...@toastman.us.itd.umich.edu>,
> <ca...@umich.com> wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>I saw a post here quite a long time ago that told of a web page for
>>getting a second citizenship and passport to an indegenous tribe here in
>>the us. Supposedly near Nw Orleans.
>>Anyone remember this?
>>It only cost about 50 dollars for the citizenship and 200 for the passport
>>which would be legal documents.
>>Or any ideas where else I could get a second citizenship?
>Pay me $195, and I'll get you Martian citizenship. Reduced to $1.95 if
>you're willing and able to go pick up the papers yourself.
>And that's probably worth as much as most of the second citizenship
>schemes are.
>--
Well, if you're going to travel to most of the world having a passport that
says something other than United STates on it is a good thing to have (tm)
if the terrs tell everyone to hold up their passports.
My personal favorite is one that says Canada, it explains why I speak english
with a funny accent. Got to remember to say "eh" a lot, eh?
>Dan Goodman
>dsg...@visi.com
>http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html
>Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
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A. T. Hagan
akia <ak...@nospam.com> wrote:
>but look thru your ancestry, you might come up with a 2nd citizenship
>there someplace.
Are there any nations that will accept a passport issued by the Confederate
States of America? No? *sigh* I guess I'll just have to get along with
civis Americanum sum. My ancestors came over far too long ago for any of
the "use recent ancestors to get second citizenship" schemes.
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gall...@istar.ca
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.970831223315.27277A-100000@general>,
Alex Thome <fth...@amug.org> wrote:
>
> I have dual citizen ship, because one of my parents is of German origin
> and the other of american. I believe you have to make a choice at the age
> of 18 if you want to remain citizen of either country. You can only choose
> one. If these laws have changed, let me know.
>
A person in your circumstances with dual US/German citizenship
DOES
have to choose which citizenship he wishes to keep when he
reaches adulthood, but this is only because GERMANY requires this.
Germany allows children to have dual citizenship, but does not
allow it for adults. There are a few other countries (Japan,
for one) that have a similar policy on dual citizenship.
However, the United States DOES NOT require persons who have
dual US/other citizenship as children to choose one
citizenship when they become adults. In fact, the US allows
such a person to keep and make use of both citizenships for life.
If the person's "other" country also permits dual citizenship
for adults, and many do (Canada, Britain, Ireland, France, and
others) then that person will have both citizenships.
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Stan
Dan Goodman wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.97083...@toastman.us.itd.umich.edu>,
> <ca...@umich.com> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >I saw a post here quite a long time ago that told of a web page for
> >getting a second citizenship and passport to an indegenous tribe here in
> >the us. Supposedly near Nw Orleans.
> >Anyone remember this?
> >It only cost about 50 dollars for the citizenship and 200 for the passport
> >which would be legal documents.
> >Or any ideas where else I could get a second citizenship?
>
> Pay me $195, and I'll get you Martian citizenship. Reduced to $1.95 if
> you're willing and able to go pick up the papers yourself.
>
Usually I avoid these topics, but...
I have the deed to a plat on Mars (purchased some years ago
at a fund raiser for a library near where I lived at the time). As
was pointed out to me, if I ever get up there I have color of title
for my claim on the land.
I think it might be fun to have a Martian passport to go with my land -
but, what are the residency requirements? And, is there a discount on
the $195 since I am a property owner?
> And that's probably worth as much as most of the second citizenship
> schemes are.
> --
Many years ago, when I was regularly flying around to various areas in
the Middle East (work-related), I was sent an offer for a passport
from a fictitious country. It was guaranteed to appear to be an
authentic
document. The idea was that, if my plane was hijacked, I could surrender
the phony passport to the hijackers in place of my US passport. In that
way, I would be spared any abuse that might otherwise be directed at me
for being a citizen of the US (the foe/ally of Zionism, depending on
whether it was the Hagannah or Black September that carried out the
hijacking:^).
I saw only two problems with this:
1. The offer seemed to have been sent to those who regularly flew
into/out of the Middle East. It was not clear to me what means were
used to exclude (relatives of) members of terrorist organizations
from getting the mailing (awful lot of students had good US addresses).
Thus, presumably the terrorists had samples of the documents.
2. It depended on the terrorists having a limited knowledge of
geography.
Given that most of the people I met in the Middle East knew more about
the
United States (never mind Europe) than most Americans, I really didn't
see this as a bet worth making.
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Dan Goodman
In article <340CA3...@cas.org>, Stan <srob...@cas.org> wrote:
>
>Dan Goodman wrote:
>>
>> In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.97083...@toastman.us.itd.umich.edu>,
>> <ca...@umich.com> wrote:
>> >Hi all,
>> >I saw a post here quite a long time ago that told of a web page for
>> >getting a second citizenship and passport to an indegenous tribe here in
>> >the us. Supposedly near Nw Orleans.
>> >Anyone remember this?
>> >It only cost about 50 dollars for the citizenship and 200 for the passport
>> >which would be legal documents.
>> >Or any ideas where else I could get a second citizenship?
>>
>> Pay me $195, and I'll get you Martian citizenship. Reduced to $1.95 if
>> you're willing and able to go pick up the papers yourself.
>>
>
>Usually I avoid these topics, but...
>
> I have the deed to a plat on Mars (purchased some years ago
>at a fund raiser for a library near where I lived at the time). As
>was pointed out to me, if I ever get up there I have color of title
>for my claim on the land.
>
>I think it might be fun to have a Martian passport to go with my land -
>but, what are the residency requirements? And, is there a discount on
>the $195 since I am a property owner?
No residency requirements. As for the discount -- hmm. I'm starting to
wonder how much it would cost to have a certain artist draw the passport,
how much printing would cost, and what the market might be....
--
Vandy Terre
On Tue, 02 Sep 1997 06:33:04 -0600, gall...@istar.ca wrote:
>However, the United States DOES NOT require persons who have
>dual US/other citizenship as children to choose one
>citizenship when they become adults. In fact, the US allows
>such a person to keep and make use of both citizenships for life.
>If the person's "other" country also permits dual citizenship
>for adults, and many do (Canada, Britain, Ireland, France, and
>others) then that person will have both citizenships.
I suggest a check with the US citizenship folks. Last I heard the USA
does not allow dual citizenship for adult citizens. Unless the law
has changed in the last few years, you will have to choose US or the
other at age 21 (under the old laws of adulthood, may be 18 now).
Vandy Terre
va...@avana.net
Georgia, USA
akia
Alex Thome wrote:
>
> I have dual citizen ship, because one of my parents is of german origin
> and the other of american. I believe you have to make a choice at the age
> of 18 if you want to remain citizen of either country.
Hi,
it varies a lot...
in the case of france it's actually BETTER for a guy to not apply until
he's 37+ because then you don't have a national service obligation.
akia
> Well, if you're going to travel to most of the world having a passport that
> says something other than United STates on it is a good thing to have (tm)
> if the terrs tell everyone to hold up their passports.
Hi,
I'm interested in the French passport because France is a EU
country....so I could work anywhere in europe hassle free.
there really are all sorts of advantages of having a second citizenship.
> My personal favorite is one that says Canada, it explains why I speak english
> with a funny accent. Got to remember to say "eh" a lot, eh?
canada might be workable...immigration laws between the us and canada is
pretty reasonable...get a job in canada for a few years get citizenship.
Richard A. De Castro
akia <ak...@nospam.com> writes:
>Hi,
I NEVER said anything about getting dual citizenship - just a passport that
says Canada. It doesn't even have to be real, or even a good copy.
And, so long as you never try to use it with any government, it's not unlawful.
Steve and Julie Creamer
deca...@netcom.com (Richard A. De Castro) wrote:
>akia <ak...@nospam.com> writes:
>>> Well, if you're going to travel to most of the world having a passport that
>>> says something other than United STates on it is a good thing to have (tm)
>>> if the terrs tell everyone to hold up their passports.
>>Hi,
>>I'm interested in the French passport because France is a EU
>>country....so I could work anywhere in europe hassle free.
A word to the wise... I was born in France and hold dual citizenship,
even though I was born on a U.S. military intstallation. I looked into
gettting a French Passport. A mandatory requirement to get one was
proof you had fullfilled your French military obligation....
Steven F. Scharff
ERROR!
|
| There is also a group called the World Service Authority (WSA), a
globalist
| group that seeks a citizen-run World Government without the UN. They
issue
| a WSA passport that has legal, official recognition in several countries
| (Burkina Faso, Ecuador, Mauritania, Togo, Zambia) and "de facto"
acceptance
| in over 100. Their URL is
...misspelled!
<http://www.worldcitizen.org/index.html>.
Sorry!
Steven F. Scharff
ca...@umich.com wrote in article
<Pine.SUN.3.96.97083...@toastman.us.itd.umich.edu>...
| Hi all,
| I saw a post here quite a long time ago that told of a web page for
| getting a second citizenship and passport to an indegenous tribe here in
| the us. Supposedly near Nw Orleans.
| Anyone remember this?
| It only cost about 50 dollars for the citizenship and 200 for the
passport
| which would be legal documents.
| Or any ideas where else I could get a second citizenship?
|
| Any help would be appreciated.
| Kindest regards,
| Mark
|
| Please change com to edu on address for reply.
| Thank you
The group you're looking for is the Empire Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah, and
their URL is <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/Moundbuilders/>.
There is also a group called the World Service Authority (WSA), a globalist
group that seeks a citizen-run World Government without the UN. They issue
a WSA passport that has legal, official recognition in several countries
(Burkina Faso, Ecuador, Mauritania, Togo, Zambia) and "de facto" acceptance
in over 100. Their URL is <http://www.woirldcitizen.org/index.html>.
Other sources of and info on possable second citizenship are:
Hutt River Province
(A self-proclaimed Principality within Australia)
<http://www.wps.com.au/hutriver/hut1.htm>
Dual Citizenship FAQ
<http://www.webcom.com/richw.dualcit/>
Position Statement from the US State Dept.
<http://www.sss.gov.liab.htm>
Dual Citizenship Information
<http://travel.state.gov/dualnationality.html>
Oceania
(A project to start a free city-state. Passports available)
<http://oceania.org/>
NSK State
(A "state of mind" started by a Slovenian music group, Laibach, that issues
official looking passports, that have been succesfully used in Eastern
Europe, and are carried by several Slovanian diplomats.)
English Language Site: <http://www.heck.com/nsk/nsk.html>
Official website (Electronic Embassy)
<http://lois.kud-fp.si/~lukap/embassy/>
(NSK stands for "Neue Slowenische Kunst [New Slovenian Art]")
If these aren't to your liking, visit the Micronations Page at
<http://www.execpc.com/~talossa/patsilor.html> and start your own!
--
Steven F. Scharff <http://www.angelfire.com/nv/scharff/>
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Alex Thome
Yeah, Canada is good. Also, if you speak another language, get a passport
from a country where that laguage is spoken. I speak german, therfor I
have a german passport, I'm working onmy french passport. =).
Alexander Thome
P.s.: It also saves you alot of time at the airport.
Andy Hughes
I've read the dual citizenship thread with interest, I was born in
England, and my parents naturalized when I was 15, so I became a US
citizen at that time.
They had to renounce British citizenship for themselves and their
children under the age of 16 at the time they naturalized. This was 20
years ago.
About 10 years ago I called the British embassy to find out about
renewing my British passport. I was told that The US government would
be notified of the issuance of the passport, and that would cause the
revocation of my US citizenship.
As I understand it, many countries will allow multiple citizenships,
the US does NOT.
gall...@istar.ca
In article <34138935...@opengovt.open.org>,
Actually, the information that the British Embassy gave you is
not correct. It is generally not a good idea to rely on the
officials of one country to give you an accurate interpretation
of the laws of another country, especially laws as complicated
those surrounding nationality.
The US has become much more permissive regarding dual nationality.
Due to several Supreme Court decisions, US citizens are permitted
to obtain, keep and make use of other nationalities without risking
loss of US citizenship.
The one remaining anti-dual-nationality law is the requirement
that persons who naturalize as US citizens must state that they
are renouncing their former allegiances when they take the oath
of citizenship. However, even in such cases, if that person's
"former" country still considers such a person to be one of their
citizens (because they don't view the US renunciatory statement
as having any validity under their laws), then such a person is
permitted to continue to hold that country's passport and to travel
to that country using that passport.
While it is true that your parents had to state that they
were renouncing their allegiance to Britain when they
became US citizens, you did not. You received US citizenship
as their dependant and did not make any statement of renunciation
nor one of allegiance to the United States.
Britain does not strip British citizenship from a person simply
because they obtain a foreign citizenship. Therefore both you
and your parents kept your British citizenship when you obtained
your British citizenship. In fact, if you were born in Britain,
any children that you have ( or will have) will most likely
be British citizens through descent from you.
Since you did not make any statement of renunciation you are free
to hold a British passport in addition to a US passport. In fact,
so are your parents, since the US State Department has basically
determined that they can't force another country to recognize the
US renunciatory statement. In any case, because you did not state
that you were renouncing your prior citizenships, you are perfectly
free to obtain and make US of a British passport. You must, of
course, continue to obey all the other laws that apply to US
citizens, such as entering the US on a US passport and identifying
yourself to US officials as a US citizen.
Visit the following website for an excellent overview on the
current US policy on dual nationality:
http://www.webcom.com/richw/dualcit/
gall...@istar.ca
In article <34188998...@news.avana.net>,
Yes. Certainly anybody considering claiming dual citizenship
should check with the government(s) of the countries involved
to determine the pros and cons of claiming or making use
of those respective citizenships.
Like I stated in my earlier reply. The United States ALLOWS
dual citizenship and there is absolutely no requirement in
US law that a person with US and another citizenship choose
which citizenship they wish to hold when they become an
adult (or at any other time in their life). This information
was verified at consular section of the United States Embassy
in Ottawa.
Additionally, you can find information about
dual citizenship from the US Department of State's web page at:
http://travel.state.gov/dualnationality.html
Among the information provided at this site is a statement that
the US DOES NOT require a person to choose one citizenship or
another.
akia
> They had to renounce British citizenship for themselves and their
> children under the age of 16 at the time they naturalized. This was 20
> years ago.
THEY may have renounced theirs...and the queen MAY care.
> About 10 years ago I called the British embassy to find out about
> renewing my British passport. I was told that The US government would
> be notified of the issuance of the passport, and that would cause the
> revocation of my US citizenship.
the US may be notified. it will however NOT cause you to loose your
citizenship in and of itself.
see the dual citizenship faq