Pelosi WINS the day
Too_Many_Tools
men could not.
That *POPPING* sound you are hearing are their Republican heads
popping.
I suspect the smell of their decaying lard butts will be horrible.
TMT
Pelosi wins the day
Jonathan Allen Jonathan Allen
Sun Nov 8, 12:19 am ET
Nancy Pelosi clapped her hands as she left the House floor late
Saturday night.
“That was easy,” the speaker said with a smile.
It wasn’t. She had just delivered a promise decades of her
predecessors failed to bring home, harnessing her uncommon focus, vote-
counting acumen and consensus-building skills to bring tens of
millions of Americans a giant leap closer to having health insurance
coverage with a 220-215 roll call.
“Somebody asked me if this was a victory for [President] Barack Obama.
It’s not. This victory belongs to her,” said House Rules Committee
Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.). “As far as I know she never
sleeps nor eats.”
The bill’s fate, for now, rests across the Capitol in the hands of
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). But with Saturday’s vote,
Pelosi proved yet again she is the able master of a Democratic Caucus
that is enjoying its greatest political and legislative success since
at least the beginning of the Clinton administration and arguably
since its legislative heyday in the mid-1960s.
Democrats, including Pelosi, view the push for expanding the
government’s role in the health care system as a new plank in the
social justice platform constructed with Civil Rights, Voting Rights,
open housing and Medicare laws enacted during Lyndon Johnson’s
presidency, when Democrats held similar – and at times even larger —
majorities in the House.
“You, Madam speaker — and the leadership — we thank you for the
extraordinary leadership which you have given us in bringing us to the
point where we are today,” Rep. John Dingell, the Michigan Democrat
who's dean of the House, said on the floor Saturday night. He was
praising a woman who helped strip him of his chairmanship of the House
Energy and Commerce Committee less than a year ago and once backed a
primary challenger against him in Michigan’s 15th District.
For all the work that went into pulling together the votes for the
bill – the president, Cabinet secretaries, legions of White House
aides, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s deft touch with
conservative Blue Dogs and senior lawmakers, Majority Whip Jim Clyburn
and his team of vote-counting lieutenants, progressive grassroots
organizations and any number of others who could rightly take credit
for a piece of the victory – no one could doubt that it took Pelosi’s
leadership to deliver a congressional vote in favor of a national
health care system that eluded President Bill Clinton, Sen. Ted
Kennedy and Dingell’s father, who first introduced such a bill in
1943.
“The president appreciates the speaker's strong committed leadership
without which this historic vote would not have occurred,” White House
Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told POLITICO in an e-mail as soon as the
vote was secured. “Every American who is barred from insurance because
of a pre-existing condition, every American who can't afford coverage
or is hurt today by out-of-pocket costs that are more than they can
bear, owes Nancy Pelosi a debt of gratitude tonight for the leadership
she has provided to move us close to a new and better day.”
Her colleagues say Pelosi’s drive separates her from her peers.
“Her focus, her vision, her tenacity, her energy,”gushed Hoyer, the
Maryland Democrat who was a onetime rival of Pelosi’s, at a post-vote
press conference.
It can be seen in her assiduous attention to the details of policy,
her willingness to use every tool in a leader’s arsenal – persuasion,
threat, reward, retribution – to put together coalitions, and her
ability to prioritize Democratic principles, her colleagues say.
A Democratic insider familiar with Pelosi's methods says she sets a
plan and pursues it, understanding she'll have to hold a few hands --
and perhaps smack a few others -- along the way.
"The Speaker always has a map in her head and she knows when to invoke
history to the caucus versus bring in one person for a three-hour
chat," the insider says. "And basically where the negotiations will be
three weeks from now -- but (she) knows the members have to go through
the process."
So driven to win passage of the bill was the liberal, pro-choice
progressive that she cut a deal with anti-abortion Democrats to
prohibit federal funds from subsidizing the procedure – creating a
convention-rattling coalition of the House’s Pro-Choice Caucus and the
National Right to Life Committee, which threatened to punish
Republicans if they played games with the outcome of the amendment to
sink the bill.
The speaker’s troops savored the Saturday night victory – and feted a
legislative leader known for distributing praise to her deputies. But
tonight’s victory might prove short-lived if it’s not followed by a
similar win in the Senate – and Pelosi’s team wrenched tough votes
from reluctant members who know they are likely to face trouble – if
not defeat – back home in 2010.
But regardless of the obstacles in the path to enactment, Rep. John
Murtha (D-Pa.) said Saturday's vote would be the most important moment
of Pelosi's career as speaker.
"I think this is probably the biggest win she'll have in all the years
she serves," Murtha said of his California colleague. "This affects
every person in the country. Nothing else, not the [Iraq] war, nothing
else touches everyone else in the country. This is the biggest thing
she'll do."
John Bresnahan and Glenn Thrush contributed to this report.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> Again one Democratic woman gets done what a room full of Republican
> men could not.
Pelosi is ignoring your constitutional rights, and you salute that?
I've seen stupid before... but it looks good on you.
> TMT
>
>
> Pelosi wins the day
> Jonathan Allen Jonathan Allen
> Sun Nov 8, 12:19 am ET
>
> Nancy Pelosi clapped her hands as she left the House floor late
> Saturday night.
>
> �That was easy,� the speaker said with a smile.
>
> It wasn�t. She had just delivered a promise decades of her
> predecessors failed to bring home, harnessing her uncommon focus, vote-
> counting acumen and consensus-building skills to bring tens of
> millions of Americans a giant leap closer to having health insurance
> coverage with a 220-215 roll call.
>
> �Somebody asked me if this was a victory for [President] Barack Obama.
> It�s not. This victory belongs to her,� said House Rules Committee
> Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.). �As far as I know she never
> sleeps nor eats.�
>
> The bill�s fate, for now, rests across the Capitol in the hands of
> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). But with Saturday�s vote,
> Pelosi proved yet again she is the able master of a Democratic Caucus
> that is enjoying its greatest political and legislative success since
> at least the beginning of the Clinton administration and arguably
> since its legislative heyday in the mid-1960s.
>
> Democrats, including Pelosi, view the push for expanding the
> government�s role in the health care system as a new plank in the
> social justice platform constructed with Civil Rights, Voting Rights,
> open housing and Medicare laws enacted during Lyndon Johnson�s
> presidency, when Democrats held similar � and at times even larger �
> majorities in the House.
>
> �You, Madam speaker � and the leadership � we thank you for the
> extraordinary leadership which you have given us in bringing us to the
> point where we are today,� Rep. John Dingell, the Michigan Democrat
> who's dean of the House, said on the floor Saturday night. He was
> praising a woman who helped strip him of his chairmanship of the House
> Energy and Commerce Committee less than a year ago and once backed a
> primary challenger against him in Michigan�s 15th District.
>
> For all the work that went into pulling together the votes for the
> bill � the president, Cabinet secretaries, legions of White House
> aides, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer�s deft touch with
> conservative Blue Dogs and senior lawmakers, Majority Whip Jim Clyburn
> and his team of vote-counting lieutenants, progressive grassroots
> organizations and any number of others who could rightly take credit
> for a piece of the victory � no one could doubt that it took Pelosi�s
> leadership to deliver a congressional vote in favor of a national
> health care system that eluded President Bill Clinton, Sen. Ted
> Kennedy and Dingell�s father, who first introduced such a bill in
> 1943.
>
> �The president appreciates the speaker's strong committed leadership
> without which this historic vote would not have occurred,� White House
> Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told POLITICO in an e-mail as soon as the
> vote was secured. �Every American who is barred from insurance because
> of a pre-existing condition, every American who can't afford coverage
> or is hurt today by out-of-pocket costs that are more than they can
> bear, owes Nancy Pelosi a debt of gratitude tonight for the leadership
> she has provided to move us close to a new and better day.�
>
> Her colleagues say Pelosi�s drive separates her from her peers.
>
> �Her focus, her vision, her tenacity, her energy,�gushed Hoyer, the
> Maryland Democrat who was a onetime rival of Pelosi�s, at a post-vote
> press conference.
>
> It can be seen in her assiduous attention to the details of policy,
> her willingness to use every tool in a leader�s arsenal � persuasion,
> threat, reward, retribution � to put together coalitions, and her
> ability to prioritize Democratic principles, her colleagues say.
>
> A Democratic insider familiar with Pelosi's methods says she sets a
> plan and pursues it, understanding she'll have to hold a few hands --
> and perhaps smack a few others -- along the way.
>
> "The Speaker always has a map in her head and she knows when to invoke
> history to the caucus versus bring in one person for a three-hour
> chat," the insider says. "And basically where the negotiations will be
> three weeks from now -- but (she) knows the members have to go through
> the process."
>
> So driven to win passage of the bill was the liberal, pro-choice
> progressive that she cut a deal with anti-abortion Democrats to
> prohibit federal funds from subsidizing the procedure � creating a
> convention-rattling coalition of the House�s Pro-Choice Caucus and the
> National Right to Life Committee, which threatened to punish
> Republicans if they played games with the outcome of the amendment to
> sink the bill.
>
> The speaker�s troops savored the Saturday night victory � and feted a
> legislative leader known for distributing praise to her deputies. But
> tonight�s victory might prove short-lived if it�s not followed by a
> similar win in the Senate � and Pelosi�s team wrenched tough votes
> from reluctant members who know they are likely to face trouble � if
> not defeat � back home in 2010.
HH&C
> Again one Democratic woman gets done what a room full of Republican
> men could not.
>
> That *POPPING* sound you are hearing are their Republican heads
> popping.
>
> I suspect the smell of their decaying lard butts will be horrible.
>
> TMT
She should get a peace prize. I hear they're pretty easy to come by
these days.
Jeff M
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> Again one Democratic woman gets done what a room full of Republican
>> men could not.
>
> Pelosi is ignoring your constitutional rights, and you salute that?
Which of your constitutional rights, specifically, do you believe is
being violated?
Beam Me Up Scotty
To start with Government can't take or tell me who I have to give my
papers to, I also don't have to permit the government to search or take
anything from my body without a warrant. I guess the government can't
tell me to give my privacy over to an insurance company or government
agency. NOT to worry, all you need is a constitutional amendment to set
you straight and do it legally.
*Amendment IV*
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Beam Me Up Scotty
It's a peace prize, NOT a "piece" prize for being an aging hippie piece
that was passed around.
Jeff M
"Unreasonable" leaves a lot of wriggle room. You are regularly required
to produce ID or be searched, such as while driving, flying, engaged in
certain occupations, employment, enrolling in a public school or
college, making financial transactions, and in many types encounters
with the police. All of these have been judicially determined to be
reasonable.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Jeff M
> Get a warrant....
Good luck with that.
Jeff M
> reguard for the law.
Yeah, that's what I wrote.
> I'm surprised to see you being that honest.
Government is, ultimately, a monopoly of force. The Obama
administration is no different.
Lookout
AHAHAHAH That's the best you got? Call Pelosi an old whore? Not
surprised..you're not smart enough to add anything on topic.
Strabo
> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Pelosi WINS the day
>
> Pelosi 1 : America 0
>
> Just remember, when ObamaCare turns out to be a full blown disaster,
> it's 100% owned by you and the rest of the spend thrift Dems.
>
Reminds me of 1861 when Lincoln turned the nation upside down.
Jefferson warned against a federal government and tried to stop it.
Once there is the appearance of legitimate power, opportunists and
Utopians will stop at nothing to use government to assuage their
personal demons.
Too_Many_Tools
dog.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > Again one Democratic woman gets done what a room full of Republican
> > men could not.
>
> Pelosi is ignoring your constitutional rights, and you salute that?
>
> I've seen stupid before... but it looks good on you.
>
>
>
> > TMT
>
> > Pelosi wins the day
> > Jonathan Allen Jonathan Allen
> > Sun Nov 8, 12:19 am ET
>
> > Nancy Pelosi clapped her hands as she left the House floor late
> > Saturday night.
>
>
> > It wasn’t. She had just delivered a promise decades of her
> > predecessors failed to bring home, harnessing her uncommon focus, vote-
> > counting acumen and consensus-building skills to bring tens of
> > millions of Americans a giant leap closer to having health insurance
> > coverage with a 220-215 roll call.
>
> > It’s not. This victory belongs to her,” said House Rules Committee
> > Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.). “As far as I know she never
> > sleeps nor eats.”
>
> > The bill’s fate, for now, rests across the Capitol in the hands of
> > Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). But with Saturday’s vote,
> > Pelosi proved yet again she is the able master of a Democratic Caucus
> > that is enjoying its greatest political and legislative success since
> > at least the beginning of the Clinton administration and arguably
> > since its legislative heyday in the mid-1960s.
>
> > Democrats, including Pelosi, view the push for expanding the
> > social justice platform constructed with Civil Rights, Voting Rights,
> > presidency, when Democrats held similar – and at times even larger —
> > majorities in the House.
>
> > extraordinary leadership which you have given us in bringing us to the
> > who's dean of the House, said on the floor Saturday night. He was
> > praising a woman who helped strip him of his chairmanship of the House
> > Energy and Commerce Committee less than a year ago and once backed a
>
> > For all the work that went into pulling together the votes for the
> > aides, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s deft touch with
> > conservative Blue Dogs and senior lawmakers, Majority Whip Jim Clyburn
> > and his team of vote-counting lieutenants, progressive grassroots
> > organizations and any number of others who could rightly take credit
> > leadership to deliver a congressional vote in favor of a national
> > health care system that eluded President Bill Clinton, Sen. Ted
> > 1943.
>
> > “The president appreciates the speaker's strong committed leadership
> > without which this historic vote would not have occurred,” White House
> > Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told POLITICO in an e-mail as soon as the
> > of a pre-existing condition, every American who can't afford coverage
> > or is hurt today by out-of-pocket costs that are more than they can
> > bear, owes Nancy Pelosi a debt of gratitude tonight for the leadership
>
>
> > “Her focus, her vision, her tenacity, her energy,”gushed Hoyer, the
> > Maryland Democrat who was a onetime rival of Pelosi’s, at a post-vote
> > press conference.
>
> > It can be seen in her assiduous attention to the details of policy,
> > ability to prioritize Democratic principles, her colleagues say.
>
> > A Democratic insider familiar with Pelosi's methods says she sets a
> > plan and pursues it, understanding she'll have to hold a few hands --
> > and perhaps smack a few others -- along the way.
>
> > "The Speaker always has a map in her head and she knows when to invoke
> > history to the caucus versus bring in one person for a three-hour
> > chat," the insider says. "And basically where the negotiations will be
> > three weeks from now -- but (she) knows the members have to go through
> > the process."
>
> > So driven to win passage of the bill was the liberal, pro-choice
> > progressive that she cut a deal with anti-abortion Democrats to
> > convention-rattling coalition of the House’s Pro-Choice Caucus and the
> > National Right to Life Committee, which threatened to punish
> > Republicans if they played games with the outcome of the amendment to
> > sink the bill.
>
> > legislative leader known for distributing praise to her deputies. But
> > similar win in the Senate – and Pelosi’s team wrenched tough votes
> > from reluctant members who know they are likely to face trouble – if
> > not defeat – back home in 2010.
>
> > But regardless of the obstacles in the path to enactment, Rep. John
> > Murtha (D-Pa.) said Saturday's vote would be the most important moment
> > of Pelosi's career as speaker.
>
> > "I think this is probably the biggest win she'll have in all the years
> > she serves," Murtha said of his California colleague. "This affects
> > every person in the country. Nothing else, not the [Iraq] war, nothing
> > else touches everyone else in the country. This is the biggest thing
> > she'll do."
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
How can you type with no head?
Maybe the conservative brain is located much lower than science
suspected.
Maybe the constant pressure of sitting on it explains why wingers have
such low IQs.
Pelosi has not touched your constitutional rights.
You are just sore because McCain/Palin LOST.
America won...you lost...get it?
TMT
Fred B. Brown
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Again one Democratic woman gets done what a room full of Republican
men could not.
That *POPPING* sound you are hearing are their Republican heads
popping.
I suspect the smell of their decaying lard butts will be horrible.
TMT
Too bad it's dead in the senate.
Pelosi wins the day
Jonathan Allen Jonathan Allen
Sun Nov 8, 12:19 am ET
Nancy Pelosi clapped her hands as she left the House floor late
Saturday night.
�That was easy,� the speaker said with a smile.
It wasn�t. She had just delivered a promise decades of her
predecessors failed to bring home, harnessing her uncommon focus, vote-
counting acumen and consensus-building skills to bring tens of
millions of Americans a giant leap closer to having health insurance
coverage with a 220-215 roll call.
�Somebody asked me if this was a victory for [President] Barack Obama.
It�s not. This victory belongs to her,� said House Rules Committee
Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.). �As far as I know she never
sleeps nor eats.�
The bill�s fate, for now, rests across the Capitol in the hands of
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). But with Saturday�s vote,
Pelosi proved yet again she is the able master of a Democratic Caucus
that is enjoying its greatest political and legislative success since
at least the beginning of the Clinton administration and arguably
since its legislative heyday in the mid-1960s.
Democrats, including Pelosi, view the push for expanding the
government�s role in the health care system as a new plank in the
social justice platform constructed with Civil Rights, Voting Rights,
open housing and Medicare laws enacted during Lyndon Johnson�s
presidency, when Democrats held similar � and at times even larger �
majorities in the House.
�You, Madam speaker � and the leadership � we thank you for the
extraordinary leadership which you have given us in bringing us to the
point where we are today,� Rep. John Dingell, the Michigan Democrat
who's dean of the House, said on the floor Saturday night. He was
praising a woman who helped strip him of his chairmanship of the House
Energy and Commerce Committee less than a year ago and once backed a
primary challenger against him in Michigan�s 15th District.
For all the work that went into pulling together the votes for the
bill � the president, Cabinet secretaries, legions of White House
aides, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer�s deft touch with
conservative Blue Dogs and senior lawmakers, Majority Whip Jim Clyburn
and his team of vote-counting lieutenants, progressive grassroots
organizations and any number of others who could rightly take credit
for a piece of the victory � no one could doubt that it took Pelosi�s
leadership to deliver a congressional vote in favor of a national
health care system that eluded President Bill Clinton, Sen. Ted
Kennedy and Dingell�s father, who first introduced such a bill in
1943.
�The president appreciates the speaker's strong committed leadership
without which this historic vote would not have occurred,� White House
Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told POLITICO in an e-mail as soon as the
vote was secured. �Every American who is barred from insurance because
of a pre-existing condition, every American who can't afford coverage
or is hurt today by out-of-pocket costs that are more than they can
bear, owes Nancy Pelosi a debt of gratitude tonight for the leadership
she has provided to move us close to a new and better day.�
Her colleagues say Pelosi�s drive separates her from her peers.
�Her focus, her vision, her tenacity, her energy,�gushed Hoyer, the
Maryland Democrat who was a onetime rival of Pelosi�s, at a post-vote
press conference.
It can be seen in her assiduous attention to the details of policy,
her willingness to use every tool in a leader�s arsenal � persuasion,
threat, reward, retribution � to put together coalitions, and her
ability to prioritize Democratic principles, her colleagues say.
A Democratic insider familiar with Pelosi's methods says she sets a
plan and pursues it, understanding she'll have to hold a few hands --
and perhaps smack a few others -- along the way.
"The Speaker always has a map in her head and she knows when to invoke
history to the caucus versus bring in one person for a three-hour
chat," the insider says. "And basically where the negotiations will be
three weeks from now -- but (she) knows the members have to go through
the process."
So driven to win passage of the bill was the liberal, pro-choice
progressive that she cut a deal with anti-abortion Democrats to
prohibit federal funds from subsidizing the procedure � creating a
convention-rattling coalition of the House�s Pro-Choice Caucus and the
National Right to Life Committee, which threatened to punish
Republicans if they played games with the outcome of the amendment to
sink the bill.
The speaker�s troops savored the Saturday night victory � and feted a
legislative leader known for distributing praise to her deputies. But
tonight�s victory might prove short-lived if it�s not followed by a
similar win in the Senate � and Pelosi�s team wrenched tough votes
from reluctant members who know they are likely to face trouble � if
not defeat � back home in 2010.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Which private documents do the police demand?
Get a warrant....
Beam Me Up Scotty
Don't need it, because either way it goes I will be defending my freedom.
I'll be happy, what ever the outcome, as long as I am defending my freedom.
Too_Many_Tools
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cdaf08a4-4c5f-477a...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
> Again one Democratic woman gets done what a room full of Republican
> men could not.
>
> That *POPPING* sound you are hearing are their Republican heads
> popping.
>
> I suspect the smell of their decaying lard butts will be horrible.
>
> TMT
>
> Too bad it's dead in the senate.
>
> Pelosi wins the day
> Jonathan Allen Jonathan Allen
> Sun Nov 8, 12:19 am ET
>
> Nancy Pelosi clapped her hands as she left the House floor late
> Saturday night.
>
>
> It wasn’t. She had just delivered a promise decades of her
> predecessors failed to bring home, harnessing her uncommon focus, vote-
> counting acumen and consensus-building skills to bring tens of
> millions of Americans a giant leap closer to having health insurance
> coverage with a 220-215 roll call.
>
> It’s not. This victory belongs to her,” said House Rules Committee
> Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.). “As far as I know she never
> sleeps nor eats.”
>
> The bill’s fate, for now, rests across the Capitol in the hands of
> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). But with Saturday’s vote,
> Pelosi proved yet again she is the able master of a Democratic Caucus
> that is enjoying its greatest political and legislative success since
> at least the beginning of the Clinton administration and arguably
> since its legislative heyday in the mid-1960s.
>
> Democrats, including Pelosi, view the push for expanding the
> social justice platform constructed with Civil Rights, Voting Rights,
> presidency, when Democrats held similar – and at times even larger —
> majorities in the House.
>
> extraordinary leadership which you have given us in bringing us to the
> who's dean of the House, said on the floor Saturday night. He was
> praising a woman who helped strip him of his chairmanship of the House
> Energy and Commerce Committee less than a year ago and once backed a
>
> For all the work that went into pulling together the votes for the
> aides, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer’s deft touch with
> conservative Blue Dogs and senior lawmakers, Majority Whip Jim Clyburn
> and his team of vote-counting lieutenants, progressive grassroots
> organizations and any number of others who could rightly take credit
> leadership to deliver a congressional vote in favor of a national
> health care system that eluded President Bill Clinton, Sen. Ted
> 1943.
>
> “The president appreciates the speaker's strong committed leadership
> without which this historic vote would not have occurred,” White House
> Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told POLITICO in an e-mail as soon as the
> of a pre-existing condition, every American who can't afford coverage
> or is hurt today by out-of-pocket costs that are more than they can
> bear, owes Nancy Pelosi a debt of gratitude tonight for the leadership
>
>
> “Her focus, her vision, her tenacity, her energy,”gushed Hoyer, the
> Maryland Democrat who was a onetime rival of Pelosi’s, at a post-vote
> press conference.
>
> It can be seen in her assiduous attention to the details of policy,
> ability to prioritize Democratic principles, her colleagues say.
>
> A Democratic insider familiar with Pelosi's methods says she sets a
> plan and pursues it, understanding she'll have to hold a few hands --
> and perhaps smack a few others -- along the way.
>
> "The Speaker always has a map in her head and she knows when to invoke
> history to the caucus versus bring in one person for a three-hour
> chat," the insider says. "And basically where the negotiations will be
> three weeks from now -- but (she) knows the members have to go through
> the process."
>
> So driven to win passage of the bill was the liberal, pro-choice
> progressive that she cut a deal with anti-abortion Democrats to
> convention-rattling coalition of the House’s Pro-Choice Caucus and the
> National Right to Life Committee, which threatened to punish
> Republicans if they played games with the outcome of the amendment to
> sink the bill.
>
> legislative leader known for distributing praise to her deputies. But
> similar win in the Senate – and Pelosi’s team wrenched tough votes
> from reluctant members who know they are likely to face trouble – if
> not defeat – back home in 2010.
>
> But regardless of the obstacles in the path to enactment, Rep. John
> Murtha (D-Pa.) said Saturday's vote would be the most important moment
> of Pelosi's career as speaker.
>
> "I think this is probably the biggest win she'll have in all the years
> she serves," Murtha said of his California colleague. "This affects
> every person in the country. Nothing else, not the [Iraq] war, nothing
> else touches everyone else in the country. This is the biggest thing
> she'll do."
>
> John Bresnahan and Glenn Thrush contributed to this report.
LOL....
The Republicans said that health reform bill would never occur...it
did.
The Republicans said it would never come to vote...it did.
The Republicans said it would never pass the House...it did.
See a trend?
The simple fact is this Country cannot afford the health care
situation as it is...we will go broke.
Then you will not have health care.
Reform will happen...the easy way or the hard way...which way do you
want it?
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
>
> - Show quoted text -
With what...an ear swab or a tongue depressor?
TMT
Strabo
>
> http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/11/health-care-thats-always-a-scare.html
> One telling fact is that Obama has lost ground with every group except
> those who self-identify as liberal Democrats. Moderate and
> conservative Dems, along with independents and Republicans, are
> registering complaints. In that sense, it is unanimous he has turned
> left.
> --anduril
>
Turned left? He's always been left. He's so far left he walks in
circles.
His mother and birth father were Communists, his grandparents were
Communists, his mentors were Communists, his friends were Communists,
his sugar-daddy, Soros is a Communist, hell, except for his early
immersion in Islam, everything the poor guy ever knew was Communist.
It took me about three hours of research to figure that out.
>
> De Tocqueville said something like: the American Republic will last
> until politicians learn that they can bribe the people. And that has
> happened when you have nearly half paying no taxes. Not that I'm a fan
> of taxation, but it's terribly unhealthy for a republic when you have
> half the country voting to be supported by the other half.
> --anduril
>
De Tocqueville and the Founders read Greek. Democracy always failed.
It failed so badly that the city-states that tried democracy never
recovered.
In desperation they phoned Rome and requested to be conquered.
>
> One half works for a living, the other half votes for a living.
> -Porchlight
>
That's a good one.
HH&C
> Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> >Winston_Smith wrote:
>
> One telling fact is that Obama has lost ground with every group except
> those who self-identify as liberal Democrats. Moderate and
> conservative Dems, along with independents and Republicans, are
> registering complaints. In that sense, it is unanimous he has turned
> left.
> --anduril
>
> until politicians learn that they can bribe the people. And that has
> happened when you have nearly half paying no taxes. Not that I'm a fan
> of taxation, but it's terribly unhealthy for a republic when you have
> half the country voting to be supported by the other half.
> --anduril
>
Everyone quotes de Tocqueville, so I picked up a copy of Democracy In
America and am reading it.
HH&C
> Winston_Smith wrote:
> > Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>
> >> Winston_Smith wrote:
>
> >>>> Pelosi WINS the day
> >>> Pelosi 1 : America 0
>
> >>> Just remember, when ObamaCare turns out to be a full blown disaster,
> >>> it's 100% owned by you and the rest of the spend thrift Dems.
>
> >> Reminds me of 1861 when Lincoln turned the nation upside down.
>
> >> Jefferson warned against a federal government and tried to stop it.
> >> Once there is the appearance of legitimate power, opportunists and
> >> Utopians will stop at nothing to use government to assuage their
> >> personal demons.
>
> > Excerpts from a I blog I read today.
>
> > One telling fact is that Obama has lost ground with every group except
> > those who self-identify as liberal Democrats. Moderate and
> > conservative Dems, along with independents and Republicans, are
> > registering complaints. In that sense, it is unanimous he has turned
> > left.
> > --anduril
>
> Turned left? He's always been left. He's so far left he walks in
> circles.
>
> His mother and birth father were Communists, his grandparents were
> Communists, his mentors were Communists, his friends were Communists,
> his sugar-daddy, Soros is a Communist, hell, except for his early
> immersion in Islam, everything the poor guy ever knew was Communist.
>
> It took me about three hours of research to figure that out.
That awful, terribly unamerican idiot Glenn Beck had a guest on his
radio show who outlined all of his and his parent's inner circles.
> > De Tocqueville said something like: the American Republic will last
> > until politicians learn that they can bribe the people. And that has
> > happened when you have nearly half paying no taxes. Not that I'm a fan
> > of taxation, but it's terribly unhealthy for a republic when you have
> > half the country voting to be supported by the other half.
> > --anduril
>
> De Tocqueville and the Founders read Greek. Democracy always failed.
> It failed so badly that the city-states that tried democracy never
> recovered.
>
> In desperation they phoned Rome and requested to be conquered.
Perhaps the difference was that Americans were willing to spill blood
for liberty. Some thought we were crazy, like all the current
pacifists and appeasers.
> >> One half works for a living, the other half votes for a living.
> > -Porchlight
>
> That's a good one.
No, that's a terrible one.
HH&C
Yep. I see two things... Hell and a Hand Basket.
> The simple fact is this Country cannot afford the health care
> situation as it is...we will go broke.
I'm just fine. What about you?
> Then you will not have health care.
I will always have health care. What about you?
> Reform will happen...the easy way or the hard way...which way do you
> want it?
Indeed. There will be reform, one way or another.
> TMT
Jerry Okamura
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cdaf08a4-4c5f-477a...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
Again one Democratic woman gets done what a room full of Republican
men could not.
That *POPPING* sound you are hearing are their Republican heads
popping.
I suspect the smell of their decaying lard butts will be horrible.
TMT
Pelosi wins the day
Jonathan Allen Jonathan Allen
Sun Nov 8, 12:19 am ET
Nancy Pelosi clapped her hands as she left the House floor late
Saturday night.
�That was easy,� the speaker said with a smile.
It wasn�t. She had just delivered a promise decades of her
predecessors failed to bring home, harnessing her uncommon focus, vote-
counting acumen and consensus-building skills to bring tens of
millions of Americans a giant leap closer to having health insurance
coverage with a 220-215 roll call.
�Somebody asked me if this was a victory for [President] Barack Obama.
It�s not. This victory belongs to her,� said House Rules Committee
Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.). �As far as I know she never
sleeps nor eats.�
The bill�s fate, for now, rests across the Capitol in the hands of
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). But with Saturday�s vote,
Pelosi proved yet again she is the able master of a Democratic Caucus
that is enjoying its greatest political and legislative success since
at least the beginning of the Clinton administration and arguably
since its legislative heyday in the mid-1960s.
Democrats, including Pelosi, view the push for expanding the
government�s role in the health care system as a new plank in the
social justice platform constructed with Civil Rights, Voting Rights,
open housing and Medicare laws enacted during Lyndon Johnson�s
presidency, when Democrats held similar � and at times even larger �
majorities in the House.
�You, Madam speaker � and the leadership � we thank you for the
extraordinary leadership which you have given us in bringing us to the
point where we are today,� Rep. John Dingell, the Michigan Democrat
who's dean of the House, said on the floor Saturday night. He was
praising a woman who helped strip him of his chairmanship of the House
Energy and Commerce Committee less than a year ago and once backed a
primary challenger against him in Michigan�s 15th District.
For all the work that went into pulling together the votes for the
bill � the president, Cabinet secretaries, legions of White House
aides, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer�s deft touch with
conservative Blue Dogs and senior lawmakers, Majority Whip Jim Clyburn
and his team of vote-counting lieutenants, progressive grassroots
organizations and any number of others who could rightly take credit
for a piece of the victory � no one could doubt that it took Pelosi�s
leadership to deliver a congressional vote in favor of a national
health care system that eluded President Bill Clinton, Sen. Ted
Kennedy and Dingell�s father, who first introduced such a bill in
1943.
�The president appreciates the speaker's strong committed leadership
without which this historic vote would not have occurred,� White House
Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told POLITICO in an e-mail as soon as the
vote was secured. �Every American who is barred from insurance because
of a pre-existing condition, every American who can't afford coverage
or is hurt today by out-of-pocket costs that are more than they can
bear, owes Nancy Pelosi a debt of gratitude tonight for the leadership
she has provided to move us close to a new and better day.�
Her colleagues say Pelosi�s drive separates her from her peers.
�Her focus, her vision, her tenacity, her energy,�gushed Hoyer, the
Maryland Democrat who was a onetime rival of Pelosi�s, at a post-vote
press conference.
It can be seen in her assiduous attention to the details of policy,
her willingness to use every tool in a leader�s arsenal � persuasion,
threat, reward, retribution � to put together coalitions, and her
ability to prioritize Democratic principles, her colleagues say.
A Democratic insider familiar with Pelosi's methods says she sets a
plan and pursues it, understanding she'll have to hold a few hands --
and perhaps smack a few others -- along the way.
"The Speaker always has a map in her head and she knows when to invoke
history to the caucus versus bring in one person for a three-hour
chat," the insider says. "And basically where the negotiations will be
three weeks from now -- but (she) knows the members have to go through
the process."
So driven to win passage of the bill was the liberal, pro-choice
progressive that she cut a deal with anti-abortion Democrats to
prohibit federal funds from subsidizing the procedure � creating a
convention-rattling coalition of the House�s Pro-Choice Caucus and the
National Right to Life Committee, which threatened to punish
Republicans if they played games with the outcome of the amendment to
sink the bill.
The speaker�s troops savored the Saturday night victory � and feted a
legislative leader known for distributing praise to her deputies. But
tonight�s victory might prove short-lived if it�s not followed by a
similar win in the Senate � and Pelosi�s team wrenched tough votes
from reluctant members who know they are likely to face trouble � if
not defeat � back home in 2010.
Sure,Not
of a pre-existing condition, every American who can't afford coverage
or is hurt today by out-of-pocket costs that are more than they can
bear, owes Nancy Pelosi a debt of gratitude tonight for the
leadership
Aints never had me no job buts I needs my social securities. No one
knocks on my door to gives me a job. So's that be a pre exeristing
conditions. I needs full benefits.
Sure,Not
> So driven to win passage of the bill was the liberal, pro-choice
> progressive that she cut a deal with anti-abortion Democrats to
> convention-rattling coalition of the House’s Pro-Choice Caucus and the
> National Right to Life Committee, which threatened to punish
> Republicans if they played games with the outcome of the amendment to
> sink the bill.
>
Nice choice of words. Pro-choice vs. Anti-abortion.
Can you be any more transparent.
Observer
So why is the "Pro-Life" group also the "Pro-War" group? Need
unwanted kids for cannon fodder?
>Can you be any more transparent.
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The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.