Fake Gold?
sr
Where did this come from?
Why didn't I know,
Who knew?
Now What?
http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html
HH&C
> Fake fears over Ethiopia's gold
>
> Ethiopia's national bank has been told to inspect all the gold in its
> vaults to determine its authenticity.
>
> It follows the discovery that some of the "gold" it had bought for
> millions of dollars was gold-plated steel.
>
> The first hint that something was wrong reportedly came when the
> Ethiopian central bank exported a consignment of gold bars to South
> Africa.
>
> The South Africans sent them back, complaining that they had been sold
> gilded steel.
>
> An investigation revealed that the bank had bought a consignment of
> fake gold from a supplier, who is now under arrest.
>
> Other arrests followed, including business associates of the main
> accused; national bank officials; and chemists from the Geological
> Survey of Ethiopia, whose job it is to assay the bank's purchases of
> gold and certify that they are real.
>
> But what has clearly now got the government even more worried is that
> another different batch of gold in the bank's vaults has also been
> found to be fake, and this time it was gold which had been there for
> several years, after being seized from smugglers trying to take it to
> Djibouti.
>
> Mining
> The Ethiopian parliament's budget and finance committee ordered the
> inspection of all gold in the national bank's vaults.
>
> A report from the auditor-general on the affair is expected to be
> presented to parliament during its current session.
>
> Gold is mined in Ethiopia in considerable quantities, and a trader
> selling gold to the central bank has to have it tested and certified
> by the Geological Survey.
>
> Whether the bank bought fake gold in the first place, or whether real
> gold from the vaults has been swapped for gilded steel, the fraud has
> cost the bank many millions of dollars, and it must have involved
> collusion on a considerable scale.
FDR did NOT forbid the private ownership of FAKE Gold.
There. That should make Observer happy.
Observer
He didn't forbid the private ownership of REAL gold, either.
__
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
Dan
He'll never believe you, even though that's what HIS sourced cites said...
Dan
Curly Surmudgeon
You think its the cockroach's "belief" or yet another intentional attempt
to rewrite history?
> Dan
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Observer
Dan
He referenced a wiki article that denied what he said...
Dan
Dan
Doesn't really matter; I'll be charitable and ascribe it to a lack of
reading comprehension skills (which he has DEFINITELY demonstrated in
these newsgroups already).
Dan
Observer
Too Funny.
Dan
> Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> FDR did NOT forbid the private ownership of FAKE Gold.
>>>
>>> There. That should make Observer happy.
>> He didn't forbid the private ownership of REAL gold, either.
>
> Order number 6102?
Said quite plainly coins and bullion. Lots of other gold out there,
just numismatically difficult, to be sure. FDR was backing up the
currency at the expense of people being able to use gold coins for trade.
Not even CLOSE to the same as forbidding the ownership of gold...
Dan
Observer
Correct.
HH&C
>
> >> Observer wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:27:50 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
> >>> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Dec 16, 9:23 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> >>>>> "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Has this fake gold been in the main media? Where did this come from?
> >>>>>> Why didn't I know,
> >>>>>> Who knew?
> >>>>>> Now What?
> >>>>>>http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html
Odd that you fellas didn't attack Winston for saying substantially the
same thing.
VFW
Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
the first is to lie to the sheeple.']
esp. to start a war to benefit the lobbyists .
--
money; what a concept!
Strabo
FDR and his criminal crew couldn't take the chance that people would
start an underground economy leaving the feds out in the cold. The
solution? Take away their wealth.
Yep, that was one of the best Socialist tricks - get the Sheeple to hand
over their gold in exchange for paper. A year later that gold winds up
in private hands and sold in Europe for a third more money.
The same mentality stupid enough to fall for that scam has fallen for a
new one.
Dan
Odd that I do not read 100% of the comments here? Sorry, >>I<< have a
life; you guys are filler between important items happening on the
computer (in fact, you are below games), and the computer takes up a
very small portion of my total life.
I always though rightwingnuts were essentially adolescents - thanks for
demonstrating that I was not wrong!
Dan
VFW
Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
ah, the good daze, gold at $35 oz/
HH&C
> HH&C wrote:
> > On Dec 17, 6:21 pm, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:27:07 -0800, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Observer wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:27:50 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
> >>>>> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Dec 16, 9:23 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Has this fake gold been in the main media? Where did this come from?
> >>>>>>>> Why didn't I know,
> >>>>>>>> Who knew?
> >>>>>>>> Now What?
> >>>>>>>>http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html
Fair enough.
> I always though rightwingnuts were essentially adolescents - thanks for
> demonstrating that I was not wrong!
Now you attack the messenger.
> Dan
If Winston said substantially the same thing and you saw it, would you
attack him for it?
HH&C
>
> >>>> FDR did NOT forbid the private ownership of FAKE Gold.
>
> >>>> There. That should make Observer happy.
> >>> He didn't forbid the private ownership of REAL gold, either.
>
> >> I'm curious. What is your interpertation of Presidential Executive
> >> Order number 6102?
>
> >Said quite plainly coins and bullion. Lots of other gold out there,
> >just numismatically difficult, to be sure. FDR was backing up the
> >currency at the expense of people being able to use gold coins for trade.
>
> >Not even CLOSE to the same as forbidding the ownership of gold...
>
Yes. Exactly. Gold wedding bands and gold used by dentists was
allowed.
How nice of FDR to allow people to stay married.
> I still have may grandfathers pocket watch fob. It's a gold chain
> with a gold clamp that holds a $5 gold piece without marring it.
>
> That makes it jewelry and legal. Art was legal. Collectors coins
> were legal. Gold for industrial use was legal.
>
> It was just money that contained gold and bullion that was recalled.
>
> Even then, there was some weasel wording that meant the average guy
> could hang on to some gold money in reasonable amounts.
>
> The government was after the large stashes in banks, etc. And huge
> amounts in common currency. Once they had their hooks on it (and paid
> the official rate), they nearly doubled the official value of gold and
> sold it off to other countries. That's pretty much what funded the
> government through The First Great Depression.
Observer doesn't mind being robbed. And private ownership of gold as
money can be a dangerous thing.
Dan
> Dan wrote:
>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>>> Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>>>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> FDR did NOT forbid the private ownership of FAKE Gold.
>>>>>
>>>>> There. That should make Observer happy.
>>>> He didn't forbid the private ownership of REAL gold, either.
>>>
>>> I'm curious. What is your interpertation of Presidential Executive
>>> Order number 6102?
>>
>> Said quite plainly coins and bullion. Lots of other gold out there,
>> just numismatically difficult, to be sure. FDR was backing up the
>> currency at the expense of people being able to use gold coins for trade.
>>
>> Not even CLOSE to the same as forbidding the ownership of gold...
>>
>> Dan
> >
>
> FDR and his criminal crew couldn't take the chance that people would
> start an underground economy leaving the feds out in the cold. The
> solution? Take away their wealth.
If you weren't such a paranoid misanthrope, you might know that what you
just wrote is total nonsense. FDR did not take anyone's wealth away, as
you would know if you had any brains left. ALL (and I mean ALL,
including GOLD) monetary system rely SOLELY on trust to function, and
populations such as ours cannot function without a monetary system.
I'll leave the math to those capable of performing it.
> Yep, that was one of the best Socialist tricks
Not a speck of Socialism involved at all, as you would know if you ever
put down those drugs. The fact that you are unaware is problematic; the
possibility that your pathology might influence someone else is tragic.
> - get the Sheeple to hand
> over their gold in exchange for paper.
Yes, and? Zero to do with "Socialism," and everything to do with
rebuilding a new economy on the ashes of the last one (that failed
spectacularly, as had happened numerous times before under gold
standards or not). Of course, Strabo the Paranoid would prefer people
living in caves bartering their calves for stone tools to slaughter
their livestock...
> A year later that gold winds up
> in private hands and sold in Europe for a third more money.
Or not.
> The same mentality stupid enough to fall for that scam has fallen for a
> new one.
Which one?
Dan
Dan
No, I attacked the perpetrator. Messengers carry other people's
messages and do not claim to stand behind the message ("This station is
not responsible for the program's content").
>> Dan
>
> If Winston said substantially the same thing and you saw it, would you
> attack him for it?
Depends on my mood and my interest in the thread.
I have countered claims by "my own side," as I have defended Runner from
undue attack. But I have to be motivated. I do not like "my side"
putting out erroneous information, and Runner can be demolished for what
he misstates far easier than for the few times he is factually correct.
But (and here is a big "but"), I feel no OBLIGATION to do YOUR work for YOU.
Also note that I did notice the implication that Winston is somehow on
"my side." I make no such admission. Winston is a free agent who says
some interesting things and makes many mistakes on his own.
Dan
Dan
You are remembering way later days. Gold was $20 and change, official
government price (as in all gold economies, the government sets the
price - no free market in a gold economy).
Dan
Observer
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 19, 1:37 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>> Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Winston_Smith wrote:
>> >> Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>> >>> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> FDR did NOT forbid the private ownership of FAKE Gold.
>>
>> >>>> There. That should make Observer happy.
>> >>> He didn't forbid the private ownership of REAL gold, either.
>>
>> >> I'm curious. What is your interpertation of Presidential Executive
>> >> Order number 6102?
>>
>> >Said quite plainly coins and bullion. Lots of other gold out there,
>> >just numismatically difficult, to be sure. FDR was backing up the
>> >currency at the expense of people being able to use gold coins for trade.
>>
>> >Not even CLOSE to the same as forbidding the ownership of gold...
>>
>> That's true. Basically gold as money was forbidden.
Yet, you stated he made private ownership of gold illegal.
Gonna make a retraction, or perpetuate your lie?
>Yes. Exactly. Gold wedding bands and gold used by dentists was
>allowed.
Yet, you stated he made private ownership of gold illegal.
Gonna make a retraction, or perpetuate your lie?
>How nice of FDR to allow people to stay married.
Lack of gold bands invalidates a marriage?
>> I still have may grandfathers pocket watch fob. It's a gold chain
>> with a gold clamp that holds a $5 gold piece without marring it.
>>
>> That makes it jewelry and legal. Art was legal. Collectors coins
>> were legal. Gold for industrial use was legal.
>>
>> It was just money that contained gold and bullion that was recalled.
>>
>> Even then, there was some weasel wording that meant the average guy
>> could hang on to some gold money in reasonable amounts.
>>
>> The government was after the large stashes in banks, etc. And huge
>> amounts in common currency. Once they had their hooks on it (and paid
>> the official rate), they nearly doubled the official value of gold and
>> sold it off to other countries. That's pretty much what funded the
>> government through The First Great Depression.
>
>Observer doesn't mind being robbed. And private ownership of gold as
>money can be a dangerous thing.
I do mind being robbed. Can't stop lying, can you?
Gold as money can be dangerous? How?
You were the one who claimed FDR made the private ownership of gold
illegal. Gonna make a retraction, or perpetuate your lie?
HH&C
Attacking >>>IS<<< your work.
> Also note that I did notice the implication that Winston is somehow on
> "my side." I make no such admission. Winston is a free agent who says
> some interesting things and makes many mistakes on his own.
>
> Dan
Nice weasel words. You are dismissed.
HH&C
> >> Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>
> >>>> FDR did NOT forbid the private ownership of FAKE Gold.
>
> >>>> There. That should make Observer happy.
> >>> He didn't forbid the private ownership of REAL gold, either.
>
> >> I'm curious. What is your interpertation of Presidential Executive
> >> Order number 6102?
>
> >Said quite plainly coins and bullion. Lots of other gold out there,
> >just numismatically difficult, to be sure. FDR was backing up the
> >currency at the expense of people being able to use gold coins for trade.
>
> >Not even CLOSE to the same as forbidding the ownership of gold...
>
>
> with a gold clamp that holds a $5 gold piece without marring it.
>
> That makes it jewelry and legal. Art was legal. Collectors coins
> were legal. Gold for industrial use was legal.
>
> It was just money that contained gold and bullion that was recalled.
>
> Even then, there was some weasel wording that meant the average guy
> could hang on to some gold money in reasonable amounts.
>
> The government was after the large stashes in banks, etc. And huge
> amounts in common currency. Once they had their hooks on it (and paid
> the official rate), they nearly doubled the official value of gold and
> sold it off to other countries. That's pretty much what funded the
> government through The First Great Depression.
Believe me Winston, I understand. Do you everr recall me asking you
if you had read Howard Ruff???
Observer can blow whatever snot he has straight out of his ass.
Strabo
>
> I still have may grandfathers pocket watch fob. It's a gold chain
> with a gold clamp that holds a $5 gold piece without marring it.
>
> That makes it jewelry and legal. Art was legal. Collectors coins
> were legal. Gold for industrial use was legal.
>
> It was just money that contained gold and bullion that was recalled.
>
> Even then, there was some weasel wording that meant the average guy
> could hang on to some gold money in reasonable amounts.
>
> The government was after the large stashes in banks, etc. And huge
> amounts in common currency. Once they had their hooks on it (and paid
> the official rate), they nearly doubled the official value of gold and
> sold it off to other countries. That's pretty much what funded the
> government through The First Great Depression.
>
The only thing that was illegal was FDR's executive order.
This scheme works only due to stupidity and cowardice. Many did
not give up their gold but stored it in preparation for the
next criminal cycle.
Strabo
It is the job of government to establish weights and measures and
coin money, NOT to manage the People's economy.
>
>> Yep, that was one of the best Socialist tricks
>
> Not a speck of Socialism involved at all, as you would know if you ever
> put down those drugs. The fact that you are unaware is problematic; the
> possibility that your pathology might influence someone else is tragic.
>
FDR was just another Liberal Progressive who figured he knew
what was best for everyone and used force to impose his will.
>
>> - get the Sheeple to hand
>> over their gold in exchange for paper.
>
> Yes, and? Zero to do with "Socialism," and everything to do with
> rebuilding a new economy on the ashes of the last one (that failed
> spectacularly, as had happened numerous times before under gold
> standards or not). Of course, Strabo the Paranoid would prefer people
> living in caves bartering their calves for stone tools to slaughter
> their livestock...
>
If no action at all had been taken their economy would have rebounded
in a few years.
>
>> A year later that gold winds up
>> in private hands and sold in Europe for a third more money.
>
> Or not.
>
>> The same mentality stupid enough to fall for that scam has fallen for a
>> new one.
>
> Which one?
>
You got that right. Obama-Soetoro and his merry band of thieves has
about twenty scams in progress.
>
> Dan
Dan
Part of that job is assuring that money supply is stable, which is what
FDR was doing.
>>> Yep, that was one of the best Socialist tricks
>>
>> Not a speck of Socialism involved at all, as you would know if you
>> ever put down those drugs. The fact that you are unaware is
>> problematic; the possibility that your pathology might influence
>> someone else is tragic.
>>
> FDR was just another Liberal Progressive who figured he knew
> what was best for everyone and used force to impose his will.
And he was correct, in so far as getting the economy restarted. You
have the right to not like it and state such, just don't misrepresent
what was done.
>>> - get the Sheeple to hand
>>> over their gold in exchange for paper.
>>
>> Yes, and? Zero to do with "Socialism," and everything to do with
>> rebuilding a new economy on the ashes of the last one (that failed
>> spectacularly, as had happened numerous times before under gold
>> standards or not). Of course, Strabo the Paranoid would prefer people
>> living in caves bartering their calves for stone tools to slaughter
>> their livestock...
>>
>
> If no action at all had been taken their economy would have rebounded
> in a few years.
Possibly, or possibly not. You'll never really know. Proposing
alternate history is a fool's errand.
>>> A year later that gold winds up
>>> in private hands and sold in Europe for a third more money.
>>
>> Or not.
>>
>>> The same mentality stupid enough to fall for that scam has fallen for a
>>> new one.
>>
>> Which one?
>>
>
> You got that right. Obama-Soetoro and his merry band of thieves has
> about twenty scams in progress.
Lose the paranoid act, and maybe people might take what you say a bit
more seriously.
Dan
Observer
I wouldn't have to, if you kept your nose out of my ass.
Observer
How has that "stable money supply" worked out? Seems like it's lost a
bit of value over the years.
Dan
It has worked out quite fine, thank you very much. The cycle of boom
and bust, bubble and depression had been tamed, until the brilliant
supply siders decided regulation was old-fashioned and quaint...
Inflation has been held in check, barring a few excursions, and in
general the economy has done quite extraordinarily over the decades.
The past is not guarantee of future success, especially when the rules
got rewritten...
Dan
Observer
Really? Seems like the price of gold was roughly $20 an ounce, back
before things got "stable." Now it's over $1000? A greater than
50-fold increase is stable? C'mon.
>The cycle of boom
>and bust, bubble and depression had been tamed, until the brilliant
>supply siders decided regulation was old-fashioned and quaint...
>Inflation has been held in check, barring a few excursions, and in
>general the economy has done quite extraordinarily over the decades.
>
>The past is not guarantee of future success, especially when the rules
>got rewritten...
>
>Dan
__
HH&C
> You were the one who claimed FDR made the private ownership of gold
> illegal. Gonna make a retraction, or perpetuate your lie?
So gold coins aren't gold?
Do you always perpetuate lies with more lies? Rhetorical. That
means you don't need to answer.
Lib Loo
"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
news:cdm0j5t0krbjg7ju2...@4ax.com...
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>On Dec 19, 11:15 pm, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> You were the one who claimed FDR made the private ownership of gold
>>> illegal. Gonna make a retraction, or perpetuate your lie?
>>
>>So gold coins aren't gold?
>
> They are gold, yes. Precious metal containing coins fall into two
> groups - collector coins and bullion coins. The US mint makes bullion
> coins and so do a dozen private mints. I can't think of anywhere they
> are used as currency, daily money.
>
> Silver eagles, gold eagles, and gold buffalo coins are US minted and
> they are "bullion coins" because they have no value over the metal
> content. Their actual transaction price tracks the spot price of gold
> and silver with a broker commission added. The governments of many
> countries make similar coins.
>
> They ARE legal tender. You would be nuts to spend them if you could
> find anyone that knew what they were and that willing to take them
> because an 1 ounce silver eagle costs $17 at this moment and has a
> face value of $1. The 1 ounce gold eagle/buffalo costs $1,100 and has
> a face value of $20. They would be recallable under FDRs rules.
One ounce gold bullion has a face value of $50. In 1933 Roosevelt issued an
order prohibiting banks from paying out gold and gold certificates without
permission and gold currency was kept for reserve purposes only. Gold
imports and newly mined domestic gold could only be sold to the government.
Restrictions were removed in 1975.
>
> The same is probably true of the various private mint coins. They are
> sold just a bit over the bullion content. They are making them to
> commemorate specific events and issuing sets of related by varying
> design so I suppose some could argue they have collector value. If
> there were a recall, I suspect that would be a court case.
>
> Something very important is always missed in the discussion of FDR and
> some future recall and is also badly abused by various mass coin
> marketers. They push buyers to old or rare coins that have a high
> mark up and make a high profit for them. They steer people away from
> bullion coins by saying the collectable ones can't be recalled while
> the bullion ones can.
>
> THAT was FDRs rules. It's not in law anywhere. A future president is
> free to make up whatever rules they want to at the time. They are in
> no way bound to stick with what FDR did, except perhaps by public
> outrage. FDR lived through the outrage and Obama doesn't seem to care
> too much since he has ticked of both right and far left and the middle
> doesn't seem to happy with him either.
Lib Loo
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
news:hgpsta$326$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> "Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
> news:cdm0j5t0krbjg7ju2...@4ax.com...
>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Dec 19, 11:15 pm, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You were the one who claimed FDR made the private ownership of gold
>>>> illegal. Gonna make a retraction, or perpetuate your lie?
>>>
Gold was not to be hoarded and there was no free domestic gold market.
Observer
You said FDR made the private ownership of gold ILLEGAL. Was gold
jewelry legal to own? Were gold art objects legal to own? Were gold
numismatic coins legal to own? Also each person was allowed $100 in
non-numismatic gold coin, thus a family of 5 could easily retain a
couple pounds of common date gold coin. All privately held and legal.
Yet you keep claiming FDR made the private ownership of gold illegal..
The private ownership of cocaine is illegal. How much of that are you
legally allowed to own?
Gonna make a retraction, or continue to perpetuate your lie?
Oh, and get your nose out of my ass.
Lib Loo
"Observer" <noone@nowhere> wrote in message
news:a2d1j51c8inn2ubnv...@4ax.com...
>
> You said FDR made the private ownership of gold ILLEGAL.
I'm trying to follow the thread but I can't validate this claim.
Can you provide a link to where he said FDR made private ownership of gold
illegal, or you you just make this up?
Observer
wrote:
>He has a Catholic school education. That not only shows why his
>education is substandard. It probably is the reason for his
>fascination with homosexual acts.
He was probably pretty stupid before his Catholic indoctrination. But
it sure didn't seem to do him any favors. He either deliberatly
misinterprets most of what he responds to (not very Xtian-like), or he
really IS as stupid as he comes across. The more I "converse" with
him, the more I suspect the latter.
Perhaps he uses the whole homo projection thing, to help disguise his
Catholic pedophile and cannibal teachings.
HH&C
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 19, 11:15 pm, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>
> >> You were the one who claimed FDR made the private ownership of gold
> >> illegal. Gonna make a retraction, or perpetuate your lie?
>
> >So gold coins aren't gold?
>
> groups - collector coins and bullion coins. The US mint makes bullion
> coins and so do a dozen private mints. I can't think of anywhere they
> are used as currency, daily money.
I guess you never recalled my mention of Howard Ruff years ago when
you began bringing up the topic of gold?
> Silver eagles, gold eagles, and gold buffalo coins are US minted and
> they are "bullion coins" because they have no value over the metal
> content. Their actual transaction price tracks the spot price of gold
> and silver with a broker commission added. The governments of many
> countries make similar coins.
>
> They ARE legal tender. You would be nuts to spend them if you could
> find anyone that knew what they were and that willing to take them
> because an 1 ounce silver eagle costs $17 at this moment and has a
> face value of $1. The 1 ounce gold eagle/buffalo costs $1,100 and has
> a face value of $20. They would be recallable under FDRs rules.
>
> The same is probably true of the various private mint coins. They are
> sold just a bit over the bullion content. They are making them to
> commemorate specific events and issuing sets of related by varying
> design so I suppose some could argue they have collector value. If
> there were a recall, I suspect that would be a court case.
>
> Something very important is always missed in the discussion of FDR and
> some future recall and is also badly abused by various mass coin
> marketers. They push buyers to old or rare coins that have a high
> mark up and make a high profit for them. They steer people away from
> bullion coins by saying the collectable ones can't be recalled while
> the bullion ones can.
Circulated gold coins from the 1880's onward have very little
numismatic value. They are or should be sold for only a slight
premium over bullion "coins."
> THAT was FDRs rules. It's not in law anywhere.
In Mel Tappan's book, Survival Guns, he makes the case that a Colt
Peacemaker could be purchased new for $20. Today, that double eagle
will still purchase a state of the art combat pistol.
> A future president is
> free to make up whatever rules they want to at the time. They are in
> no way bound to stick with what FDR did, except perhaps by public
> outrage. FDR lived through the outrage and Obama doesn't seem to care
> too much since he has ticked of both right and far left and the middle
> doesn't seem to happy with him either.
How much would a 1933 bank account of $500 in double eagles be worth
today, if FDR would have allowed it?
HH&C
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:24:15 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>
> >On Dec 19, 11:15 pm, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>
> >> You were the one who claimed FDR made the private ownership of gold
> >> illegal. Gonna make a retraction, or perpetuate your lie?
>
> >So gold coins aren't gold?
>
> >Do you always perpetuate lies with more lies? Rhetorical. That
> >means you don't need to answer.
>
> You said FDR made the private ownership of gold ILLEGAL.
He did. US minted gold coins were made illegal. Look it up.
HH&C
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:18:59 -0500, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
Indeed. You and the KKK don't seem to like Catholics much, do you?
> That not only shows why his education is substandard.
You're the Mall Cop.
> It probably is the reason for his fascination with homosexual acts.
Odd that I mention my disdain of it only when you post your homo-
erotic fantasies.
I would like to thank you for not including me in your gay fantasies
in the past year or so.
HH&C
Your runny nose. Your head up your ass.
Dan
The economy is not the price of gold...
The inflation rate, over time, is approximately the mandatory
unemployment rate of a fully employed economy.
Dan
Observer
No, but it does reflect the cost of commodities.
>The inflation rate, over time, is approximately the mandatory
>unemployment rate of a fully employed economy.
Have a cite for that? Sounds interesting.
Curly Surmudgeon
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Observer
You said FDR made the private ownership of gold ILLEGAL. Was gold
Observer
I'm pretty sure I'm not that flexible.
Keep your nose out of my ass.
Observer
I thought the twisted little ox pecker was Catholic, tho in at least
one post he mentioned terrorized wives.
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>>>> Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> FDR did NOT forbid the private ownership of FAKE Gold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There. That should make Observer happy.
>>>>> He didn't forbid the private ownership of REAL gold, either.
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious. What is your interpertation of Presidential Executive
>>>> Order number 6102?
>>>
>>> Said quite plainly coins and bullion. Lots of other gold out there,
>>> just numismatically difficult, to be sure. FDR was backing up the
>>> currency at the expense of people being able to use gold coins for
>>> trade.
>>>
>>> Not even CLOSE to the same as forbidding the ownership of gold...
>>>
>> >
>>
>> FDR and his criminal crew couldn't take the chance that people would
>> start an underground economy leaving the feds out in the cold. The
>> solution? Take away their wealth.
>
> If you weren't such a paranoid misanthrope, you might know that what you
> just wrote is total nonsense. FDR did not take anyone's wealth away, as
> you would know if you had any brains left. ALL (and I mean ALL,
> including GOLD) monetary system rely SOLELY on trust to function, and
> populations such as ours cannot function without a monetary system. I'll
> leave the math to those capable of performing it.
>
It is the job of government to establish weights and measures and
coin money, NOT to manage the People's economy.
>
>> Yep, that was one of the best Socialist tricks
>
> Not a speck of Socialism involved at all, as you would know if you ever
> put down those drugs. The fact that you are unaware is problematic; the
> possibility that your pathology might influence someone else is tragic.
>
FDR was just another Liberal Progressive who figured he knew
what was best for everyone and used force to impose his will.
>
>> - get the Sheeple to hand
>> over their gold in exchange for paper.
>
> Yes, and? Zero to do with "Socialism," and everything to do with
> rebuilding a new economy on the ashes of the last one (that failed
> spectacularly, as had happened numerous times before under gold
> standards or not). Of course, Strabo the Paranoid would prefer people
> living in caves bartering their calves for stone tools to slaughter
> their livestock...
>
If no action at all had been taken their economy would have rebounded
in a few years.
>
>> A year later that gold winds up
>> in private hands and sold in Europe for a third more money.
>
> Or not.
>
>> The same mentality stupid enough to fall for that scam has fallen for a
>> new one.
>
> Which one?
>
You got that right. Obama-Soetoro and his merry band of thieves has
about twenty scams in progress.
>
> Dan
Strabo
Observer
STILL waiting, Cheese-Bob:
You said FDR made the private ownership of gold ILLEGAL. Was gold
jewelry legal to own? Were gold art objects legal to own? Were gold
numismatic coins legal to own? Also each person was allowed $100 in
non-numismatic gold coin, thus a family of 5 could easily retain a
couple pounds of common date gold coin. All privately held and legal.
Yet you keep claiming FDR made the private ownership of gold illegal..
The private ownership of cocaine is illegal. How much of that are you
legally allowed to own?
Gonna continue to perpetuate your lie?
Oh, and get your nose out of my ass.
Still waiting.
knews4...@yahoo.com
> Has this fake gold been in the main media?
> Where did this come from?
> Why didn't I know,
> Who knew?
> Now What?http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html
And again.
http://www.daily.pk/fake-gold-bars-in-bank-of-england-and-fort-knox-14477/
knews4...@yahoo.com
knews4...@yahoo.com
> On Jan 14, 8:50 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On Nov 26 2009, 11:27 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
>
> > > Where did this come from?
> > > Why didn't I know,
> > > Who knew?
> > > Now What?http://www.viewzone.com/fakegold.html
>
> > And again.http://www.daily.pk/fake-gold-bars-in-bank-of-england-and-fort-knox-1...
>
> And:http://rense.com/general89/emem.htmhttp://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/forum/index.php?id=234287
The saga continues...
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1258049769.php