China Prepares for Nuclear War !
Survi...@survival.com
days but it needs repeating. Hope this article will help the many who
keep saying that nuclear war is not something that we need think about or
prepare for anymore... I say to them go on living in denial if that will
keep you happy but I for one am glad that I have a nuclear fallout shelter
and bunker! Here is the article >
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----- FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
China preparing for nuclear war
Analysts say Beijing getting ready for ops beyond Far East
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----- Posted: May 10, 2008
12:30 am Eastern
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Hainan Island
LONDON – Defense analysts for the British intelligence service MI6 believe
China is preparing for the "eventuality of a nuclear war." The conclusion
follows evidence that Beijing has built secretly a major naval base deep
inside caverns which even sophisticated satellites cannot penetrate, says a
report in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
In an unusual development, the analysts have provided details to the
specialist defense periodical, Jane's Intelligence Review, which published
satellite images of the base location which is hidden beneath millions of
tons of rock on the South China Sea island of Hainan.
The MI6 analysts have confirmed the submarine base hewn out of the rock
will contain up to 20 of the latest C94 Jin-Class submarines, each capable
of firing anti-satellite missiles and nuclear tipped rockets.
Knocking out the satellites would leave Taiwan, Japan and other countries
around the Pacific Rim effectively without a key warning system. An attack
also would disrupt vital communications between U.S. battle squadrons in
the region and Washington.
Satellite images studied by GCHQ, Britain's spy in the sky intelligence
gathering organization based at Cheltenham that works closely with the U.S.
National Security Agency, have confirmed the entrance to the base is
through no fewer than 11 separate tunnel openings.
A Royal Navy nuclear submarine, one of those in the Typhoon Fleet, now has
joined another from the U.S. Pacific Fleet to build up a clear image of
what is happening inside the secret base which, as well as China's nuclear
subs, could house "a host of aircraft carriers."
Naval intelligence officers in London and Washington have confirmed the
discovery of the base will present "a significant challenge to U.S. naval
dominance and protection to countries ringing the South China Sea."
The base is sited at Sanya on the southern tip of Hainan island. The island
came to the attention of Western intelligence in April 2001, when a U.S.
EP-3 spy plane trying to test the island's electronic defenses was forced
to land there by Chinese fighters, one of which crashed in the sea killing
the pilot.
A Ministry of Defense analyst, who cannot be named for security reasons,
believes "this could be the prelude to China preparing for a nuclear
response."
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<Survi...@Survival.Com> wrote in message
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>I have seen a post or two about this in a couple groups over the past few
> days but it needs repeating. Hope this article will help the many who
> keep saying that nuclear war is not something that we need think about or
> prepare for anymore... I say to them go on living in denial if that
> will
> keep you happy but I for one am glad that I have a nuclear fallout shelter
> and bunker! Here is the article >
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
> China preparing for nuclear war
> Analysts say Beijing getting ready for ops beyond Far East
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Posted: May 10, 2008
> 12:30 am Eastern
>
> © 2008 WorldNetDaily
>
> Editor's Note: The following report is excerpted from Joseph Farah's G2
> Bulletin, the premium online newsletter published by the founder of WND.
> Subscriptions are $99 a year or, for monthly trials, just $9.95 per month
> for credit card users, and provide instant access for the complete
> reports.
>
>
> Hainan Island
>
nospamatall
> LONDON – Defense analysts for the British intelligence service MI6 believe
> China is preparing for the "eventuality of a nuclear war." The conclusion
> follows evidence that Beijing has built secretly a major naval base deep
> inside caverns which even sophisticated satellites cannot penetrate, says a
> report in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
Maybe that's where Saddam's WMDs are!
Of course you need to prepare for any likely eventuality. But the drivel
that get published mainstream is just propaganda and we are as likely to
get nuked by anyone else (including the US through inept management) as
by China.
MI6 have a job to do, and they do it well. It doesn't include giving us
reliable information for survival though.
Andy
Dr.Colo...@gmail.com
If I recall correctly, it was the Brits that provided the US with the
bogus Intel (WMD) that started this whole mess rolling.l I'll buy
that for a dollar!................doc
Ralph
> ----- FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
> China preparing for nuclear war
> Analysts say Beijing getting ready for ops beyond Far East
Both China and Russia have extensive fallout shelters beneath their
major cities going back decades. China and Russia had a number of
skirmishes along their boarder, so they're defending themselves against
each other as well.
I believe there was a major event in space between China and the US
which is being kept quite. The Space Shuttle was almost certainly
designed to steal the space junk of other countries and even working
satellites, because that's the only thing that justifies the cost which
is 10 times that of conventional rockets. Since satellites are so
important and expensive, stealing one would be considered an act of war.
I think the Columbia was brought down by the coutermeasure of a Chinese
satellite self-destructing in its cargo bay.
terryc
> I have seen a post or two about this in a couple groups over the past few
> days but it needs repeating. Hope this article will help the many who
> keep saying that nuclear war is not something that we need think about or
> prepare for anymore... I say to them go on living in denial if that will
> keep you happy but I for one am glad that I have a nuclear fallout shelter
> and bunker!
Well, apart from bulding own own bunker what do you suggest?
Car to share the details of your bunker and what is good about it and what
you'd do different next time?
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
> I have seen a post or two about this in a couple groups over the past few
> days but it needs repeating. Hope this article will help the many who
> keep saying that nuclear war is not something that we need think about or
> prepare for anymore... I say to them go on living in denial if that will
> keep you happy but I for one am glad that I have a nuclear fallout shelter
> and bunker! Here is the article >
Damned Bush. He and Loral sold MIRV technology to the Chinese for a
mere campaign contribution. Then he loaned out that Los Alamos hard
drive containing models of nukes. It was later found behind a copier
where all the other hard drives are stored...
Alex, I'll take brit intel for $200.
Question: Are we to trust Brit intelligence?
Dr.Colo...@gmail.com
<Survival...@Survival.Com> wrote:> > ----- FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2
shuttle, not a word of your conspiratorial if not just plain
vaudville, crap can be substatianted but substantiation is obviously
not something that matters to you or else would have provided it,
wacko........Doc
strabo
> On May 10, 7:28 am, Survival...@Survival.Com wrote:
>> I have seen a post or two about this in a couple groups over the past few
>> days but it needs repeating. Hope this article will help the many who
>> keep saying that nuclear war is not something that we need think about or
>> prepare for anymore... I say to them go on living in denial if that will
>> keep you happy but I for one am glad that I have a nuclear fallout shelter
>> and bunker! Here is the article >
>
> Damned Bush. He and Loral sold MIRV technology to the Chinese for a
> mere campaign contribution. Then he loaned out that Los Alamos hard
> drive containing models of nukes. It was later found behind a copier
> where all the other hard drives are stored...
>
'Thefts' from Los Alamos and other high security labs have occurred
frequently since Nixon and Kissinger paved the highway from Peking to
Washington and London. The Clintons and their gang of Chinese spies
is one example.
China's rise as a world power was planned and assisted by the same
agencies that brought us WWI, WWII and now the hoisting of the
flag of the New World Order.
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> hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On May 10, 7:28 am, Survival...@Survival.Com wrote:
> >> I have seen a post or two about this in a couple groups over the past few
> >> days but it needs repeating. Hope this article will help the many who
> >> keep saying that nuclear war is not something that we need think about or
> >> prepare for anymore... I say to them go on living in denial if that will
> >> keep you happy but I for one am glad that I have a nuclear fallout shelter
> >> and bunker! Here is the article >
>
> > Damned Bush. He and Loral sold MIRV technology to the Chinese for a
> > mere campaign contribution. Then he loaned out that Los Alamos hard
> > drive containing models of nukes. It was later found behind a copier
> > where all the other hard drives are stored...
>
> 'Thefts' from Los Alamos and other high security labs have occurred
> frequently since Nixon and Kissinger paved the highway from Peking to
> Washington and London. The Clintons and their gang of Chinese spies
> is one example.
>
> China's rise as a world power was planned and assisted by the same
> agencies that brought us WWI, WWII and now the hoisting of the
> flag of the New World Order.
That beggs another question... How do you know all of this?
Ralph
How would I exactly prove what is probably among the most highly guarded
secret in the US?
Try thinking instead of name calling.
Each space shuttle launch costs 10 times what it would take to launch
the same satellites on conventional rockets. What would justify the
cost? The only thing that could would be retrieving satellites of other
countries so they could be studied to learn the capabilities of other
countries. Doesn't that make sense?
And learn to properly format your posts so they make sense.
Nicholas
No, it doesn't make any sense at all. Many satellites are 22,000
miles out in space, orbiting the planet. The shuttle gets 200 miles
above the earth, which puts it 19,800 miles SHORT of being able to
*grab* anybody's satellites.
The payload bay of the shuttle is for carrying space station parts and
low earth orbit satellites.
HTH
Nick
Dr.Colo...@gmail.com
<Dr.Colon.Osc...@gmail.com> wrote:> > On May 10, 4:15 pm,
text -Your lack of knowledge of the shuttle program is what shows your
lack of desire for facts. Shuttle was basically designed around USAF
specs. The AF backed away from the program which basically left the
shuttle as THE major civilian launch vehicle (for the most part) for a
while. Program estimates and costs were fantastically optimistc and
way out of line.and the cost to launch the vehicle grew
exponentially. (they even built a USAF launch facility at Vandenberg
for the shuttle which was junked in the last ten years or so,
unused). Additonally your comments that the cost to launch can "only"
be explained by sometype of stealth catch grab and study of others
stas is just stupid. Costs over-run by the government, unheard of.
If you post, at least know something about what you post . Cry's of
conspiracy make good copy Vaudville Vic, this one belongs in the
crapper................Doc
Stormin Mormon
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Eric
satellite?
Eric
Ralph
They could put an additional fuel take or tanks in the cargo bay to
extend its range or park a fuel depot in space. They could even design
the tanks so both satellite and tanks are held inside open cargo bay
doors until they rerturn to low orbit. I seriously doubt we are told its
true range to conceal its capabilities considering how super secret spy
satellites are. Of course proving any super secret shit is impossible,
but I think I've shown it is possible.
Ralph
> Besides, why would the U.S. want to steal some inferior Chinese knockoff
> satellite?
They wouldn't try to use the thing, but to learn their capabilities and
maybe to do some reverse engineering to incorporate their technology
into US equipment.
Dan
They could even clone the Easter Bunny...
Gads, who knows what "they" are capable of????
Dan
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
On May 12, 10:29 am, "Stormin Mormon"
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> As I understand, GWB did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.
>
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> Learn more about Jesus
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> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ahem. High resolution spy satellites are in low earth obrit.
Nicholas
They are in the minority. There is a veritable *asteroid belt*
consisting of manmade satellites at 22,000 miles out. I don't think
anybody cares about low earth orbit spy satellites, since everybody
has them. Even Israel has 1 or 2 of them in orbit from what I last
read. To keep watch on Iran's nuclear program and such all.
You can dial in Space Photos from some of these on the WWW. There
isn't a whole lot to see...since most of the goings on are buried
underground.
Nick
Bob Brock
The only real secret Bush has been able to keep are a lot of his
staff's e-mails. Even they can't find those.
ND
"Ralph" <nos...@noway.net> wrote in message
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Why couldnt they use Nuclear fuel as they do with Nuclear Subs? They don't
need refueling for something like 20 or 30 years???
Ralph
um... They'd have to completely redesign the space shuttle to use a
different fuel type. Are you patronizing me?
coonass
> <Survival...@Survival.Com> wrote:
> > ----- FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
> > China preparing for nuclear war
> > Analysts say Beijing getting ready for ops beyond Far East
>
> Both China and Russia have extensive fallout shelters beneath their
> major cities going back decades. China and Russia had a number of
> skirmishes along their boarder, so they're defending themselves against
> each other as well.
>
> I believe there was a major event in space between China and the US
> which is being kept quite. The Space Shuttle was almost certainly
> designed to steal the space junk of other countries and even working
> satellites, because that's the only thing that justifies the cost which
> is 10 times that of conventional rockets.
No, it was designed to launch a large number of "Defense Support
Program" satellites, some of which were VERY large. It was also
designed around the capacity of retrieving and repairing OUR satellite
and those of other nations who have requested such services. Since
the Space Transportation System (the Shuttle) entered service, all of
those missions have occurred, mostly successfully.
If Shuttle hadn't been able to retrieve, manipulate and serve as a
base for in-orbit repairs after the Hubble Space Telescope was
launched with crucial defects in its optical system, MOST of the
missions planned for it would have been impossible.
Other orbital satellite repair missions have confirmed this crucial
mission capability, a peaceful, non-threatening capability. This is,
of course, unless your mission in life is to declare the existence of
evil where none exists and spread lies about this nonexistent evil to
anyone who'll sit still long enough.
If that's your issue, you may rest assured, the world's mother-in-laws
fill any possible need for that particular service with plenty of
malice and energy to spare. Just tell them that their children's
spouses work for NASA. :-)
> Since satellites are so
> important and expensive, stealing one would be considered an act of war.
> I think the Columbia was brought down by the coutermeasure of a Chinese
> satellite self-destructing in its cargo bay.
Based on what evidence? Again, there's NO evidence to support a far-
fetched accusation of that nature - unless, like some of the world's
less nice mothers-in-law, you must invent evil where none exists to
plump up your ravening need for power over others.
coonass
SLOW DOWN... the Chinese got handed the ability to do heavy lifting of
satellites partly in the wake of the USS Challenger tragedy (when some
of the US capability to lift heavy defense-related payloads went away
until Feynman and Company could fix the responsibility for the
Challenger mishap and a fix was applied) - the idea being that we
NEEDED to use the larger Chinese boosters to keep some of our overhead
satellite sensing program on schedule. There were also, as I
understand it, modifications and technology transfers through Loral
Hughes for both military and civilian satellite payloads for the US
and some of our allies.
Some modifications to the "Long March" series of Chinese boosters may
have happened in part to allow mating of some of our larger defense
satellites to the Long March rockets. Undoubtedly, there was also
some unauthorized inspections of our defense satellites while there
were in the hands of the Chinese military space program.
The final issue (and you must deal with the issues separately to make
any sense of them at all) was the transfer of a LOT of computing
hardware, some of which apparently had data and analysis code on it
which would have been very useful in making advanced-technology fusion-
boosted weapons (such as, apparently, enhanced-radiation nuclear
warheads - "neutron bombs" to use the slang term).
There are video clips in the Web (you can find them in this NG)
purporting to show nuclear weapons tests which people like Sam Cohen
(with apparently some expertise in the area) say are evidence of above-
ground tests of highly-efficient neutron-bombs - high energy yield
weapons which effect the buildings and other structures under them
either slightly or not at all compared to even a conventional bomb in
the same energy range - the whole rationale of the neutron bomb.
My point is that the vast majority of transfers of advanced technology
in this area happened from US to THEM. Any capture of a man-made
object by the Shuttle would not occur in a sound stage at Johnson
Space Center but in low earth orbit where anyone with a satellite
could see and photograph it.
Your point, on the other hand is both far-fetched and without a
rational motive. Whatever the Chinese have in satellite technology,
we taught them. Why go to all the trouble of stealing another
country's satellite, one which may well have had a radio-controlled
destruct device onboard, to learn things we either already know or
could guess with great confidence?
almostcutm...@yahoo.com
People go to and from work. They are being identified. Once
identified, their communications can be monitored. See?
Delivery truck come and go. Where do they come from? Where do they
go to? See?
almostcutm...@yahoo.com
The chinese have them.
John Husvar
wrote:
Everybody _KNOWS_ "they" are the ones who do everything, good or bad.
"They" ain't Us, so let's get rid of "them" and "they" so we and us can
feel comfortable.
Ralph
> The only real secret Bush has been able to keep are a lot of his
> staff's e-mails. Even they can't find those.
Bush refuses to use e-mails himself, because democrats read through them
all.
Bob Brock
I didn't comment on Bush's e-mails. My comment was about staff
e-mails.
almostcutm...@yahoo.com
Then obviously, staff emails don't involve Bush. What new war crimes
do you want to accuse him of?
Bob Brock
Whatever crimes were in the e-mails that were disappeared.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
And in another thread, you said it was nice to back up beliefs with a
few facts. You suffer from moral relativism. Get well.
ND
Not at all. Wouldnt the costs be justified by the savings in fuels and
sharing that technology in other areas?
Bob Brock
Really? How so? If no crimes are revealed in the e-mails, no charges
would be filed. You, on the other hand...well your moral relativism
is apparent for all to see. Still not reading all those posts by
gunner before you reply to them?
kiloVolts
[snippage]
> My point is that the vast majority of transfers of advanced technology
> in this area happened from US to THEM. Any capture of a man-made
> object by the Shuttle would not occur in a sound stage at Johnson
> Space Center but in low earth orbit where anyone with a satellite
> could see and photograph it.
>
> Your point, on the other hand is both far-fetched and without a
> rational motive. Whatever the Chinese have in satellite technology,
> we taught them. Why go to all the trouble of stealing another
> country's satellite, one which may well have had a radio-controlled
> destruct device onboard, to learn things we either already know or
> could guess with great confidence?
Technological progress is not linear it is more like a fractal object. It is
worthwhile to cast seeds about and then reap the harvest. No entity should
be expected to use all its own energy for its own evolution. If you want to
be the top entity you need to prune the fractal tree.