Feeding the unprepared
Stormin Mormon
question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
One side of the coin says "no chance. They had their cashflow,
and
chose to waste it. I can't be feeding hordes of unprepared
people. I'm
not a government agency. They would clean me out in less than a
day,
and then I'd be hungry and homeless, too." Other folks figure
it's
their religious duty, to be charitable to those in need. After
all,
the various religious folks in the past have been charitable.
While I do agree with being cheerful and pleasant with the
neighbors,
do I really want to feed them? Or maybe that sets me up as the
work master, and allows me to have em polishing my ride, mowing
my lawn. But maybe the peasants will revolt, and then I'll have
my castle stormed, and all my supplies stolen?
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
Terryc
> While I do agree with being cheerful and pleasant with the
> neighbors, do I really want to feed them?
Not fscking likely. You have to aproach it like tools. when they ask to
borrow my tools, they are loaned the shitty old tools.
Same with foods, I could loan them a bag of brown rice and soy sauce,
but that is all I have "wink wink".
> my castle stormed, and all my supplies stolen?
I have a tin of share nuts bolts and washers. They are basically #10
tins full of scavenged, some time rusty ones, that people are free to
rustle through and see if they can find one that suit their needs.
hal...@aol.com
you can live for MONTHS without food, but die within days without
water.
sure hungry you will be miserable, but alive!
Better to plan for no city water somehow!
Robert Sturgeon
<cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The interesting
>question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
>stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
I'd guess my neighbors are probably about as well set with
food, etc., as I am. (I don't ask questions like that.)
They seem to be quite self-sufficent and aware of the facts
of life. On the other hand, I doubt any of them have a
generator, and I'm almost certain that none of them have,
uh, firepower like I do. They all seem to be Good People,
and I think we could engage in successful mutual aid and
trade. For example, while both my next door neighbors might
be less prepared than I am, they both have swimming pools --
lots of water, and I might need more water.
No, I wouldn't accept the idea that I OWE them help. But I
do think mutual aid and trade could be very profitable for
all concerned. But a neighbor with NOTHING at all to offer
in return, and no one else to turn to? Sorry, but no.
Besides, I don't think I have any neighbors like that
anyway. The elderly lady next door might need a little
assistance until her people rescue her, and of course I'd do
anything reasonable to get her through any immediate
problems. Come on... who wouldn't? But she has close
friends just down the street, so I really doubt it would be
an issue.
(rest snipped)
--
Robert Sturgeon
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
Stuart Grey
- Charity begins at home.
- In order to take care of others, you first have to take care of yourself.
See other platitudes for similar wisdom.
r2000...@hotmail.com
foods.
Out of date K rations, sacks of old beans and the like. And as much I
as
like most of my neighbors, I am not their keeper. If they insist on
buying
a SUV or plasma screen instead of making the most simple preperations,
they get to live or die by those choices. There is simply no way I can
afford
to feed the unwashed masses, or their kids. That is one of the main
reasons
why we have plans to vacate the place in the event of an extended
"trouble".
And if it is serious enough I have no doubt that our wonderful
government will
demand that we share with those "less fortunate" then ourselves. I
won't go
so far as to say, "they can have my beans when the pry them from my
cold,
dead grasp", but I feel pretty strong about it. I suspect that if push
came to
shove and I had to leave I would burn the food I couldn't take with me
before
letting the grasshoppers get it.
In a place I used to work the cleaning staff would wonder through our
lounge,
take a peek in the fridge and take whatever goodies looked apealing. It
is
amazing just how sick a couple of thiefs will get from eating egg salad
that
has been let setting at room temp for about 20 hours. Then my wife
made
some special fudge with baby laxative. Really cleaned them out so to
speak.
Then there was the chilly made super hot sauce that blistered some
mouths.
It took several months but the cleaners learned to leave our goodies
alone.
And the statute of limitations ran out last June. I was tempted to
store some
antifreeze in a Mt. Dew container, but that was a little too raw even
for me.
But I might have some tempting food that is not all that healthy mixed
in
among the good stuff.
I owe nothing but pain to those who try to steal what is mine. I don't
steal
and I expect other to behave the same.
Terry
JonquilJan
Stormin Mormon <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4597b8c9$0$27065$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
In a time of crisis - I doubt you would be concerned or bothered with
anyone, including you, polishing your ride or mowing your lawn. I have had
occasion to share my supplies - on a minimal basis - during the ice storms.
there was not problem since, although things were difficult, my neighbors
could 'get out' while I couldn't. They actually called me for advice rather
than supplies - mostly.
Due to my physical limitations, I could easily be pushed aside and things
taken as wanted. As for giving things up willingly - depends on what has
happened before the crisis. One neighbor is very kind to me, helps me with
lawn care and snow removal, checks on my well being and keeps me up to date
if they are going to be away. Another neighbor - although not close - has
never been unfriendly - just not close. The ones across the street neither
wave back or even acknowledge my existence. They rate, in order, whats
asked for and needed, maybe something, nothing.
The help given, when asked, (at least for me) is directly related to what my
relationship is with them. You, being in a trailer court situation, have
closer neighbors - and probably more situations.
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
tg
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4597b8c9$0$27065$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
> stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
tough one this, garanteed to split your heart when faced with such a decision.
As for the adult neighbours around me they must look after themselves, and if they can't they will die. But what about children? I
think I would have to do something if I saw hungry children.
r2000...@hotmail.com
If you help the kids, you will have to either help the kid's parents
or shot the parents.
Not very practical options.
Life is tough, and it is a lot tougher if you, or your care givers, are
stupid, short sighted,
or just plain unaware. I feel sorry for all the kids that went hungry
in the aftermath of
Katrina, but that sorrow doesn't extend to a personal obligation for me
to risk me or
the people that I love. Crisis like this are were a democracy fails.
Clearly the will of
the majority of hungry people would be for us to share our supplies.
But their will
stops at my property bounderies. My wife and I have talked this over
and we think
we are resolved to take what ever action we can to protect ourselves
and our
supplies. There are plenty of people that I will go hungry to help, but
the great
unwashed and uncaring masses are not included. One of the strongest
threads
running through the many posts in this group is the need, no
requirement for
"personal responsability". My neighbors have access to the same
information
that I do, but they have decided to buy that giant plasma TV instead of
laying
some basic supplies in. I don't get to watch thier TV, so why should
they get to
eat my food?
Terry
Terryc
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
<r2000...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167598490....@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> In our situation we have stocked a useful supply of "garbage"
survivial
> foods.
> Out of date K rations, sacks of old beans and the like.
CY: Might I suggest dog food? That's always a good one to offer
folks.
And as much I
> as
> like most of my neighbors, I am not their keeper. If they
insist on
> buying
> a SUV or plasma screen instead of making the most simple
preperations,
> they get to live or die by those choices. There is simply no
way I can
> afford
> to feed the unwashed masses, or their kids.
CY: I don't as much mind feeding the kids. I figure they havn't
got much choice of how much food store at home.
That is one of the main
> reasons
> why we have plans to vacate the place in the event of an
extended
> "trouble".
CY: Hope you have a good destination. I'm not sure I do.
>
> And if it is serious enough I have no doubt that our wonderful
> government will
> demand that we share with those "less fortunate" then
ourselves. I
> won't go
> so far as to say, "they can have my beans when the pry them
from my
> cold,
> dead grasp", but I feel pretty strong about it.
CY: We had this discussion when I was a kid. My sister would
spend all her allowance on Friday and gobble down her candy. And
then Saturday when I'd be nibbling a candy bar in front of Star
Trek, she'd be hollering no fair, he won't share. Well, heck, she
didn't share on Friday.
I suspect that if push
> came to
> shove and I had to leave I would burn the food I couldn't take
with me
> before
> letting the grasshoppers get it.
CY: That's OK, if you're fairly sure you aren't coming back and
gonna need it for yourself.
>
> In a place I used to work the cleaning staff would wonder
through our
> lounge,
> take a peek in the fridge and take whatever goodies looked
apealing. It
> is
> amazing just how sick a couple of thiefs will get from eating
egg salad
> that
> has been let setting at room temp for about 20 hours.
CY: That sounds excellent.
Then my wife
> made
> some special fudge with baby laxative. Really cleaned them out
so to
> speak.
CY: Yes, the Ex-Lax brownies are a favorite.
> Then there was the chilly made super hot sauce that blistered
some
> mouths.
CY: I've also heard of jalapeno juice painted around the mouth of
a soda bottle, and the cap gently replaced. If you warm the cap
under hot water, sometimes you can get em off without shearing
the cap into two pieces.
> It took several months but the cleaners learned to leave our
goodies
> alone.
> And the statute of limitations ran out last June. I was tempted
to
> store some
> antifreeze in a Mt. Dew container, but that was a little too
raw even
> for me.
CY: Mixed half an half, of course, with real MD?
> But I might have some tempting food that is not all that
healthy mixed
> in
> among the good stuff.
CY: That sounds like a plan.
>
> I owe nothing but pain to those who try to steal what is mine.
I don't
> steal
> and I expect other to behave the same.
CY: I'm with you, chief.
>
> Terry
>
Stormin Mormon
news:1167601980.6...@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> If you help the kids, you will have to either help the kid's
parents
> or shot the parents.
> Not very practical options.
>
> Life is tough, and it is a lot tougher if you, or your care
givers, are
> stupid, short sighted,
> or just plain unaware. I feel sorry for all the kids that went
hungry
> in the aftermath of
> Katrina, but that sorrow doesn't extend to a personal
obligation for me
> to risk me or
> the people that I love.
CY: Right, some times you can't just go walk into trouble.
Crisis like this are were a democracy fails.
> Clearly the will of
> the majority of hungry people would be for us to share our
supplies.
> But their will
> stops at my property bounderies.
CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic. Which is
one of the reasons I'm not all happy with trying to "promote
democracy" in the middle east. Won't work there, either.
My wife and I have talked this over
> and we think
> we are resolved to take what ever action we can to protect
ourselves
> and our
> supplies. There are plenty of people that I will go hungry to
help, but
> the great
> unwashed and uncaring masses are not included.
CY: I'd like to help folks who have been starting their own
preps. But not the consumers who spend today and don't prepare
for tomorrow.
One of the strongest
> threads
> running through the many posts in this group is the need, no
> requirement for
> "personal responsability". My neighbors have access to the same
> information
> that I do, but they have decided to buy that giant plasma TV
instead of
> laying
> some basic supplies in. I don't get to watch thier TV, so why
should
> they get to
> eat my food?
CY: And I'd guess they never offered to take you on a vacation to
Paris with them?
>
> Terry
>
Stormin Mormon
don't have to go bottle with my neighbors for available water
supplies. I'd rather just stay home, and keep a close wash. You
drink that's a good idea?
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Terryc" <newsones...@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Chong Chong
> CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
> the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
Stormin Mormon
seriously, Kling Klong Klang.
You know how Chinese name their kids? They throw saucepans down
the stairs and name em for what the sounds are.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Chong Chong" <ch...@chong.chong> wrote in message
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Chong Chong
&spamblock*-@hotmail.com says...
> Someday when you get an American name, I'll take you more
> seriously, Kling Klong Klang.
>
> You know how Chinese name their kids? They throw saucepans down
> the stairs and name em for what the sounds are.
>
>
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z z z z z z z ... . . .
Wow, how unexpected. Another idiotic response.
Stupid people are boring. Thay just keep repeating the same old tired
bullshit and when they get called on their stupidity they hurl insults
and call names like a second grader. How much it must suck to be you!
Going through life so stupid must be very painful.
r2000...@hotmail.com
And a Happy New Year to you and yours from the land of the "utter
morons".
Now that you've vented try to relax a bit and understand that some of
us
really like to be prepared and don't expect the (any) government to be
of
much use after a major disaster. Perhaps such thoughts are beneath your
contempt.
Anyway, Happy New Year now FOAD.
Terry
Chong Chong
r2000...@hotmail.com says...
FYI douchebag, I'm an Army Ranger combat vet. I will run your dumb ass
out of this country before I leave motherfucker. Fuck you too.
r2000...@hotmail.com
Been hitting the bottle a little hard aren't we?
I don't think I or anyone in this thread suggested that you leave the
country.
The first rule of survivial is to pay attention to what is going on,
and if you are
so lost, clueless or just plain silly to construe anything as a request
for you
to leave the country, then we really don't have to worry very much
becuase
you have lost it.
Hint, drink less, think more. I know is is hard, but it does help one
deal with
the modern world.
Again, Have a Happy New Year.
I can't wait to read your unwitty response.
Terry
Gunner
All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
He wants a democracy..he will learn exactly what it means.
Gunner
Political Correctness
A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and
rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Gunner
Yawn.
Sua Sponte, Jody.
pyotr filipivich
on Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:21:53 GMT in misc.survivalism :
>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:00:57 GMT, Chong Chong <ch...@chong.chong> wrote:
>
>>
>>> CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>> the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>>
>>Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>>
>>A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>>
>>Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
>>from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
>
>
>All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
With a spork!
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
"Given our monstrous, overgrown government structure, any three letters
chosen at random would probably designate an agency or part of a
department that could be profitably abolished." Milton Freidman
Stormin Mormon
Klang can claim to be anything he wants.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
An example of democracy is three wolves, and two sheep deciding
what's for dinner.
"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
Wonder if we shoulda used one on Sadaam?
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
<r2000...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
r2000...@hotmail.com wrote:
> And if it is serious enough I have no doubt that our wonderful
> government will
> demand that we share with those "less fortunate" then ourselves. I
> won't go
> so far as to say, "they can have my beans when the pry them from my
> cold,
> dead grasp", but I feel pretty strong about it. I suspect that if push
> came to
> shove and I had to leave I would burn the food I couldn't take with me
> before
> letting the grasshoppers get it.
Yikes! If they know you have food to burn, they'll follow.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
China is no stranger to famine.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Tanks for the idea. I'll try and drum up some suport. So that I
> don't have to go bottle with my neighbors for available water
> supplies. I'd rather just stay home, and keep a close wash. You
> drink that's a good idea?
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> You can't shout down a troll.
> You have to starve them.
Looks like you slipped up on your New Years Tradiotion...
Mike
inhumane. Actually I think eating with a spork IS inhumane. I think we
should try a sknife instead.
Mike
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Gunner
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote
>on Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:21:53 GMT in misc.survivalism :
>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:00:57 GMT, Chong Chong <ch...@chong.chong> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>>> the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>>>
>>>Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>>>
>>>A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>>>
>>>Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
>>>from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
>>
>>
>>All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
>
> With a spork!
>
>
>tschus
>pyotr
Ok, there is two for, and one would assume, 1 against. So far the
voting is for cutting his head off.
At the end of the election, Chong will have to submit to having his head
cut off..because after all, in a true Democracy, the mob always gets
it's way.
Gunner
<cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Aye!
There's 3 to 1.
Ray Keller
>
>>
>>> CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>> the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>>
>>Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>>
>>A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>>
>>Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
>>from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
>
>
> All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
>
> He wants a democracy..he will learn exactly what it means.
>
> Gunner
>
Aye!
--
--
Ray Keller
rayk...@rnsmte.com
Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ...the
unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or
state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the
hands of the people.
-Tench Coxe, 20 Feb 1788
Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and
strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a
woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound
Every man, woman, and responsible child has a natural,
fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and
Constitutional right (within the limits of the Non-Aggression
Principle) to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any
weapon -- handgun, shotgun, rifle, machinegun, anything
-- anytime, anywhere, without asking anyone's permission.
,
The Atlanta Declaration
-- L. Neil Smith
http://www.lneilsmith.com/
In truth, one who believes it wrong to arm himself against criminal
violence shows contempt of God's gift of life (or, in modern parlance,
does not properly value himself), does not live up to his responsibilities
to his family and community, and proclaims himself mentally and morally
deficient, because he does not trust himself to behave responsibly. In
truth, a state that deprives its law-abiding citizens of the means
to effectively defend themselves is not civilized but barbarous,
becoming an accomplice of murderers, rapists, and thugs and revealing
its totalitarian nature by its tacit admission that the disorganized,
random havoc created by criminals is far less a threat than are men and
women who believe themselves free and independent, and act accordingly.
- Jeffrey Snyder, "Nation of Cowards"
Stuart Grey
>>CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>
>
> Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>
> A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
Strictly speaking (not that I'd expect you to be able to grasp this
concept) the original meaning of democracy was that the people ruled by
the government voted directly on the issues; all governmental decisions
being by a direct vote.
The word 'democracy' was bastardized by people who didn't understand
what the word means to include voting for a representative form of
government; which is a republic, not a true democracy.
> Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
> from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
Ironic!
Gunner
wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:b2ahp29fr8hmbagm5...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:00:57 GMT, Chong Chong <ch...@chong.chong> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>>> the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>>>
>>>Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>>>
>>>A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>>>
>>>Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
>>>from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
>>
>>
>> All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
>>
>> He wants a democracy..he will learn exactly what it means.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>Aye!
>
>--
4 to , 1 against.
Crom but I love a Democracy!
Stuart Grey
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:33:07 -0700, "Ray Keller" <rayk...@rnsmte.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>news:b2ahp29fr8hmbagm5...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:00:57 GMT, Chong Chong <ch...@chong.chong> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>>>>the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>>>>
>>>>Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>>>>
>>>>A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
>>>
>>>>from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
>>>
>>>
>>>All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
>>>
>>>He wants a democracy..he will learn exactly what it means.
>>>
>>>Gunner
>>>
>>
>>Aye!
>>
>>--
>
> 4 to , 1 against.
>
> Crom but I love a Democracy!
Aye. But I want a re count. I don't recall seeing the vote against.
CanopyCo
Gunner wrote:
>
>
> All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
>
> He wants a democracy..he will learn exactly what it means.
>
> Gunner
>
Aye!
That was cut not chop right?
Cut being far slower then chop. ;-)
CanopyCo
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> The interesting
> question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
> stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
>
> One side of the coin says "no chance. They had their cashflow,
> and
> chose to waste it. I can't be feeding hordes of unprepared
> people. I'm
> not a government agency. They would clean me out in less than a
> day,
> and then I'd be hungry and homeless, too." Other folks figure
> it's
> their religious duty, to be charitable to those in need. After
> all,
> the various religious folks in the past have been charitable.
>
> While I do agree with being cheerful and pleasant with the
> neighbors,
> do I really want to feed them? Or maybe that sets me up as the
> work master, and allows me to have em polishing my ride, mowing
> my lawn. But maybe the peasants will revolt, and then I'll have
> my castle stormed, and all my supplies stolen?
>
I'm rather mixed on that one.
I do store food / supplies for those that are helping me, but do not
plan to feed the world.
Stormin Mormon
have shown a vote of 5,826,341 against beheading, and 0 for
beheading.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
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Stormin Mormon
twister of words. But, all in good fun. I try not to misrepresent
people.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
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Gunner
<cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I just got the votes back from Diebold. The new voting machines
>have shown a vote of 5,826,341 against beheading, and 0 for
>beheading.
I just made a phone call. If you now review the numbers..they wil be
reversed.
Simple really.
Stormin Mormon
Christmas, but with the taxes in NY, it's a bit rough here. My
love to all the family. I hope you don't mind my using your
middle name on this forum.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> You don't know me very well? I'm a tangler of tongues, and a
> twister of words. But, all in good fun. I try not to misrepresent
> people.
It looked mischevious...
Good thread btw.
Lazyike
> The interesting
> question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
> stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
It would depend...
>
> One side of the coin says "no chance. They had their cashflow,
> and
> chose to waste it. I can't be feeding hordes of unprepared
> people. I'm
> not a government agency. They would clean me out in less than a
> day,
> and then I'd be hungry and homeless, too." Other folks figure
> it's
> their religious duty, to be charitable to those in need. After
> all,
> the various religious folks in the past have been charitable.
>
> While I do agree with being cheerful and pleasant with the
> neighbors,
> do I really want to feed them? Or maybe that sets me up as the
> work master, and allows me to have em polishing my ride, mowing
> my lawn. But maybe the peasants will revolt, and then I'll have
> my castle stormed, and all my supplies stolen?
>
Many here would say screw 'em. However when it's you that may need
that Doctor's help who you told to go screw himself may not be
willing to give you CPR.
Here is what I would (should) do. Invite the neighbors to a emergency
preparedness meeting. Discuss simple emergencies like a house fire,
local power outage ect. Set up a system that lists everyone who lives
on the street. Who has fore places? Grills? The grills Gas or
Charcoal? What do the various people do for a living?
If there was a fire in the apartment Building down the street who
could board them for a while? Who has room to store some salvaged
items till permanent housing is found.
Maybe the elderly neighbor can teach home canning or Quilting.
Neighbor helping Neighbor.
Ike
Lazyike
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>> While I do agree with being cheerful and pleasant with the
>> neighbors, do I really want to feed them?
>
>
> Not fscking likely. You have to aproach it like tools. when they ask to
> borrow my tools, they are loaned the shitty old tools.
>
> Same with foods, I could loan them a bag of brown rice and soy sauce,
> but that is all I have "wink wink".
Ok We are Neigbors... you give me your junk. Then your house is on
fire. all your "good food" is lost. Well Terry here is a can of cat
food & a packet of soy sauce. Oh and my pay phone costs $100 up front
to call 911.
However I would pull out the GOOD Marshmellows. The neighbors
& I will have smores as your house burns down.
>
>
>> my castle stormed, and all my supplies stolen?
>
>
> I have a tin of share nuts bolts and washers. They are basically #10
> tins full of scavenged, some time rusty ones, that people are free to
> rustle through and see if they can find one that suit their needs.
>
& the same will be returned when your in need.
Ike
Lazyike
> doesnt matter!
>
> you can live for MONTHS without food, but die within days without
> water.
>
> sure hungry you will be miserable, but alive!
>
> Better to plan for no city water somehow!
>
LOL dude we get rain & snow too...
Years ago when my Grandfather was alive we got hit
with no water one time. Well his neighborhood of
14 houses was bone dry except Grandma & Grandpa.
My Grandpa had set up four 55 gal. barrels one on
each corner of the house & 8 by the garden.
by the time the crisis ended everyone had put
in orders for four barrels for their house.
he put that $2600 to good use...
Ike
Lazyike
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>>The interesting
>>question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
>>stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
>>
>>One side of the coin says "no chance. They had their cashflow,
>>and
>>chose to waste it. I can't be feeding hordes of unprepared
>>people. I'm
>>not a government agency. They would clean me out in less than a
>>day,
>>and then I'd be hungry and homeless, too." Other folks figure
>>it's
>>their religious duty, to be charitable to those in need. After
>>all,
>>the various religious folks in the past have been charitable.
>>
>>While I do agree with being cheerful and pleasant with the
>>neighbors,
>>do I really want to feed them? Or maybe that sets me up as the
>>work master, and allows me to have em polishing my ride, mowing
>>my lawn. But maybe the peasants will revolt, and then I'll have
>>my castle stormed, and all my supplies stolen?
>>
>>--
>>
>>Christopher A. Young
>> You can't shout down a troll.
>> You have to starve them.
>>.
>
> In our situation we have stocked a useful supply of "garbage" survivial
> foods.
> Out of date K rations, sacks of old beans and the like. And as much I
> as
> like most of my neighbors, I am not their keeper. If they insist on
> buying
> a SUV or plasma screen instead of making the most simple preperations,
> they get to live or die by those choices. There is simply no way I can
> afford
> to feed the unwashed masses, or their kids. That is one of the main
> reasons
> why we have plans to vacate the place in the event of an extended
> "trouble".
>
> And if it is serious enough I have no doubt that our wonderful
> government will
> demand that we share with those "less fortunate" then ourselves. I
> won't go
> so far as to say, "they can have my beans when the pry them from my
> cold,
> dead grasp", but I feel pretty strong about it. I suspect that if push
> came to
> shove and I had to leave I would burn the food I couldn't take with me
> before
> letting the grasshoppers get it.
>
> In a place I used to work the cleaning staff would wonder through our
> lounge,
> take a peek in the fridge and take whatever goodies looked apealing. It
> is
> amazing just how sick a couple of thiefs will get from eating egg salad
> that
> has been let setting at room temp for about 20 hours. Then my wife
> made
> some special fudge with baby laxative. Really cleaned them out so to
> speak.
> Then there was the chilly made super hot sauce that blistered some
> mouths.
> It took several months but the cleaners learned to leave our goodies
> alone.
> And the statute of limitations ran out last June. I was tempted to
> store some
> antifreeze in a Mt. Dew container, but that was a little too raw even
> for me.
> But I might have some tempting food that is not all that healthy mixed
> in
> among the good stuff.
>
> I owe nothing but pain to those who try to steal what is mine. I don't
> steal
> and I expect other to behave the same.
>
> Terry
>
Terry,
One day it will be you in need... & your neighbors will simply say
screw you too & split the goodies as your corpse grows cold.
Ike
Lazyike
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4597b8c9$0$27065$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
>>The interesting
>>question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
>>stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
>
>
> tough one this, garanteed to split your heart when faced with such a decision.
> As for the adult neighbours around me they must look after themselves, and if they can't they will die. But what about children? I
> think I would have to do something if I saw hungry children.
>
>
You prepared to raise those folks kids as you let their mom & dads
starve to death?
You think that that one day you need help any of these same folks
would lift a finger to help you? I sure wouldn't.
Ike
Lazyike
> tg wrote:
>
>>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4597b8c9$0$27065$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>>The interesting
>>>question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
>>>stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
>>
>>tough one this, garanteed to split your heart when faced with such a decision.
>>As for the adult neighbours around me they must look after themselves, and if they can't they will die. But what about children? I
>>think I would have to do something if I saw hungry children.
>
>
> If you help the kids, you will have to either help the kid's parents
> or shot the parents.
> Not very practical options.
>
> Life is tough, and it is a lot tougher if you, or your care givers, are
> stupid, short sighted,
> or just plain unaware. I feel sorry for all the kids that went hungry
> in the aftermath of
> Katrina, but that sorrow doesn't extend to a personal obligation for me
> to risk me or
> the people that I love. Crisis like this are were a democracy fails.
> Clearly the will of
> the majority of hungry people would be for us to share our supplies.
> But their will
> stops at my property bounderies. My wife and I have talked this over
> and we think
> we are resolved to take what ever action we can to protect ourselves
> and our
> supplies. There are plenty of people that I will go hungry to help, but
> the great
> unwashed and uncaring masses are not included. One of the strongest
> threads
> running through the many posts in this group is the need, no
> requirement for
> "personal responsability". My neighbors have access to the same
> information
> that I do, but they have decided to buy that giant plasma TV instead of
> laying
> some basic supplies in. I don't get to watch thier TV, so why should
> they get to
> eat my food?
>
> Terry
>
Simple.. Your painting your house & fall of the ladder you lay
unconscious as everyone is out side playing with the kids or doing
yard work. After all your not their responsibility.. you die then you
die...
Ike
Lazyike
>>CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>
>
> Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>
> A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>
> Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
> from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
I suggest you take your own advice... A Republic and a Democracy are
two SEPERATE forms of goverment.
HOWEVER... When we refer to the US as being a Democracy we are using
it as a generic term as we, depending on area use about 5 seperate
types of Democracy.. Even then we are still a Constitutional Republic.
Ike
Lazyike
> In article <1167626388.4...@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,
> r2000...@hotmail.com says...
>
>>Chong Chong wrote:
>>
>>>>CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>>>the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>>>
>>>Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>>>
>>>A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>>>
>>>Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
>>>from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
>>
>>And a Happy New Year to you and yours from the land of the "utter
>>morons".
>>Now that you've vented try to relax a bit and understand that some of
>>us
>>really like to be prepared and don't expect the (any) government to be
>>of
>>much use after a major disaster. Perhaps such thoughts are beneath your
>>contempt.
>>
>>Anyway, Happy New Year now FOAD.
>>
>>Terry
>>
>>
>
>
>
> FYI douchebag, I'm an Army Ranger combat vet. I will run your dumb ass
> out of this country before I leave motherfucker. Fuck you too.
And I'm a 99th level Dragon rider your point is????
Ike
Lazyike
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:00:57 GMT, Chong Chong <ch...@chong.chong> wrote:
>
>
>>>CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>>the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>>
>>Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>>
>>A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>>
>>Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
>
>>from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
>
>
> All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
>
> He wants a democracy..he will learn exactly what it means.
>
> Gunner
>
Will this be before or after you suck it dry???
Ike
r2000...@hotmail.com
Lazyike wrote:
>
> Here is what I would (should) do. Invite the neighbors to a emergency
> preparedness meeting. Discuss simple emergencies like a house fire,
> local power outage ect. Set up a system that lists everyone who lives
> on the street. Who has fore places? Grills? The grills Gas or
> Charcoal? What do the various people do for a living?
>
Have you ever tried this?
In the real world with real sheeple?
I have and maybe the fine people that live around you don't have their
heads shoved so far up their collective buts that they can see
anything,
but around here there are only 4 other households that even begin to
see a possible need. "...After all the last big ice storm only kept us
off the roads for a couple of days..." Actual quaote for the
neighborhood
association president. They just can't accept that if the New Madrid
cuts
loose, or if H5N1 makes the jump, or if there is a severe civil
disturbance,
or if AlQueerda manages something big, or, well you get the idea. If it
hasn't happened it can't happen. These clowns drive new cars, trucks,
or
SUVs,have new plasma screens, jet skis you name it, every modern techno
toy that madison avenue pushes so I am supposed to store enough food
to see us through and carry the grass hoppers? Damn, how do I win the
lottery? I don't drive a new car, have a Plasma screen etc becuase we
do
put our money in supplies and in a retirement plan. None of these
clowns
seems to be aware that if your retirement plan is SSI then you had
better
like dog food. I gave up even trying to make them aware that they ought
to have a reasonable amount of food and water on hand etc. After HLS
and the Red Cross came out with their minimalist emergency suggestions
the clowns at the association laughed at the possible need of even such
minimal steps.
Now maybe they are all closet prepers and don't want anyone else to
know
the truth. But somehow I kind of doubt it. I really hate to agree with
Tim May
on anything, but I have to agree, to some degree, about his useless
eaters
comments. After being rebuffed I gave up and to all outward apperances
we
are just as lame brianed and unconcerned and expect the government to
take care of us. I always liked Carly Simons "Playing Possum", although
her song was about a liberal playing conservative, but turn-about is
fair play.
"Now are you playing possum
Keeping a low profile
Are you playing possum for a while"
Terry
r2000...@hotmail.com
Lazyike wrote:
>
> Simple.. Your painting your house & fall of the ladder you lay
> unconscious as everyone is out side playing with the kids or doing
> yard work. After all your not their responsibility.. you die then you
> die...
>
> Ike
BTDT
About 25 years ago I was working on my wife's VW bug.
Replacing the clutch cable.
Big PITA.
I had the care supported on two Crastfsman jack stands.
In gravel driveway.
You have never lived until you hear the weld pop on a jack stand while
you are under the supported car. A very distinctive sound. Before I
cood scramble out from under the stand failed. Completely.
The only reason I was crushed was the other three wheels where on
the ground and while the engine end of the bug was heavy, too heavy
for me to lift, it was merely ultra painful. There were neighbors out,
it was a saturday afternoon. I hollered for help, but no one responded.
this was right after we moved in and I was still a sociable sort of
guy.
I was screaming by now because it REALLY HURT!
My wife came tearing out of the house in her bathrob dripping wet.
She grabbed the wheel well and told me to get readym then lifted that
side up enough so I could get out. We later checked and she only
lifted about 600Lb. I was black and blue for a month from the preasure
points. So tell me why shold I help the 2 nurses that live across the
street who were doing yard work and watched the whole thing,
Or the accoutant and his highschool quarter back who were next door
practicing?
And a VW is not that heavy. We, wife and I, came upon a VW with three
16 year old girls who had managed to back up and snag the rear bumper
on a stop sign support pole. They were freaking out. We stopped calmed
them down and put three of them on one side with my wife and I on
the other and lifted the car and untangled the bumper/pole.
Leasons learned?
1) don't use jackstands on anything but concret or blactop surfaces.
2)You can't depend on your neighbors for squat.
3)I don't do VW bug clucth cables anymore.
Terry
Stormin Mormon
power was off four days, I asked if he'd do anything to prepare
for the next time. Nope.
My friends in Buffalo are trying to get a mortgage payment delay,
so they can buy a generator. Not going to do any of the simple
and inexpensive things that I suggested. Like a kerosene heater,
and some no cook foods.
I'm going to spend less time calling around asking "are you OK".
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
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Stormin Mormon
in the up coming crisis. Which crisis (plural) are sure to
happen. While mine wasn't as graphic as laying under a truck
screaming, I've had other problems like being home sick for a
couple days.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
<r2000...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Terryc
> Ok We are Neigbors... you give me your junk. Then your house is on fire.
> all your "good food" is lost. Well Terry here is a can of cat food & a
> packet of soy sauce. Oh and my pay phone costs $100 up front to call 911.
lol, you really don't have a clue do you.
As someone said, if neighbour spends all their cash/credit to multiple
electronic consumer goods and disaster hits, then I do not feel any need
to save their ass.
However, anyone who can really cook and needs food can get by on rice,
three meals a day if eccessary. As my italian neighbour tells me, when
he first moved to this country and was bringing up four kids whilst
labouring in the factory, a lot of his vegetables came from the side of
the local roads.
I do not see why I have to bail out people who do not prepare.
Our neighbours decide their appropriate treatment based on decades of
being neighbours.
Terryc
> Simple.. Your painting your house & fall of the ladder you lay
> unconscious as everyone is out side playing with the kids or doing yard
> work. After all your not their responsibility.. you die then you die...
When you're dead, yo don't give a fuck.
Isn't falling off a laddr Darwinian?
I'd buy a better, safer ladder before I'd lay in extra supplies in case
the neighbours need it.
Terryc
> You prepared to raise those folks kids as you let their mom & dads
> starve to death?
>
> You think that that one day you need help any of these same folks would
> lift a finger to help you? I sure wouldn't.
They are not going to know, they are dead hahahahahahahaha
Actually, I've educated quiet a few neighbourhood kids as to what their
parents are really like.
Take something as simple as a bumper crop of oranges. Some kids know
that if we offer some they will be well appreciated at home. Others are
just embarrassed that when they took them home, they were dumped in the
garbage bin. Same with other vegetables that we occassionally have
bumper supplies. I already know the families that would appreciate what
I have to share,
r2000...@hotmail.com
You must understand LazyIke is on SSI, disabliltiy.
He has mentioned doing jail time for lewd behavior and moans about how
his guardians keep screwing up his SSI money.
In the US to be ajudicated incompetent, and have another person
appointed to
handle your affairs is fairly rare. And such a person should not be
held to the
same standards of reason as the rest of us.
I just ran some simple numbers.
Assuming that I am only "obligated" to provide food for my imediate
neighbors,
both sides and across the street for three houses, that is 5 addional
households
and we will assume they all have 2 residents. One has three and one has
1, the
others have 2. So that is 10 additional people that Ike thinks I should
prepare
and stock food for.
So let's assume I have food for 2 people for 100 days.
That means I now have food for for 1 person for 200 days, and I guess
in
Tim's world I should tell my wife too bad, hit the road.
And in Ike's world I should spread the weatlth around. 200 man food
days
divided by 12 people, hum, 16.6 days.
Yea a real cold day in hades, right after they open it as an ice
skating rink.
And Ike I have no isslusions about my wife and I beeing able to hold
off 50
hungry and desperate people for any significant length of time. I have
no desire
to re live the siee of teh Alamo. Hence our primary plan is to go to
where we
think it will be safer.
More isolated, with people who think like we do and who have taken
similar
preperations. If we get stranded at home during an nasty event that
lasts longer
then a week or so, we are screwed in a bad way.
Hey but at 55 I have had a good life, I don't expect to live much more
then
another 30 or maybe 40 years. I accept that I will die. I don't like it
but that
is just the way it is. Of course I also wonder just how determined the
next
49 will be after the first ones gets a bad case of lead poisoneing. As
Machiavelli
said, "It is nice to be liked, but is better to be feared." During the
normal, aka
'good times" I strive for the first. I go out of my way to help my
neighbors.
But if the SHTF the kid gloves come off and Mr,.Hyde will walk the
land.
I am not Rambo. I have never been in the military. I don't have a
gazillion
rounds and a large weapons cash. But I can be one cranky old SOB.
And my wife is even tougher then me.
But I will let you in on our little secret. I really don't expect the
world will end.
I don't expect WWII or AQ to destroy what we laughingly call
civilization. And
I don't expect the New Madrid fault to snap during my lifetime. I don't
think
the evil witch from Arkansas to set up a dictatorship. I don't think
the "Right
Wing Conspiracy" to pull it off either. I do expect normal rough times,
economic
down tunrs, nasty winter storms with snow and ice that take the power
grid down
for a few hours to a few days and the fun filled summer afternoons
watching the
sky for tornados. Just like the 55 years.
Terry
Lazyike
> Lazyike wrote:
>
>> Ok We are Neigbors... you give me your junk. Then your house is on
>> fire. all your "good food" is lost. Well Terry here is a can of cat
>> food & a packet of soy sauce. Oh and my pay phone costs $100 up front
>> to call 911.
>
>
> lol, you really don't have a clue do you.
Far more than you...
> As someone said, if neighbour spends all their cash/credit to multiple
> electronic consumer goods and disaster hits, then I do not feel any need
> to save their ass.
>
And should this neighbor be a Doctor & you just happen to drop in the
yard with a heart attack??
> However, anyone who can really cook and needs food can get by on rice,
> three meals a day if eccessary. As my italian neighbour tells me, when
> he first moved to this country and was bringing up four kids whilst
> labouring in the factory, a lot of his vegetables came from the side of
> the local roads.
>
> I do not see why I have to bail out people who do not prepare.
& I don't see why when a Tornado scatters your cache all over the
county anyone should waste time digging your ass out... Oh and to
answer your question better ... They many have skills you do not have
& may someday require.
>
>
> Our neighbours decide their appropriate treatment based on decades of
> being neighbours.
I feel sorry for htose living near you... THen again God will grant
them a bit more mercy & you a bit n closer to hell... As it should be.
Ike
Lazyike
r2000...@hotmail.com
Lazyike wrote:
> r2000...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Lazyike wrote:
> >
> >>Simple.. Your painting your house & fall of the ladder you lay
> >>unconscious as everyone is out side playing with the kids or doing
> >>yard work. After all your not their responsibility.. you die then you
> >>die...
> >>
> >>Ike
> >
> >
> > BTDT
> > About 25 years ago I was working on my wife's VW bug.
> >
> > Replacing the clutch cable.
> >
> > Big PITA.
> >
> > I had the care supported on two Crastfsman jack stands.
> >
> > In gravel driveway.
> >
> >
> > You have never lived until you hear the weld pop on a jack stand while
> > you are under the supported car. A very distinctive sound. Before I
> > cood scramble out from under the stand failed. Completely.
> >
> > The only reason I was crushed was the other three wheels where on
> > the ground and while the engine end of the bug was heavy, too heavy
> > for me to lift, it was merely ultra painful. There were neighbors out,
> > it was a saturday afternoon. I hollered for help, but no one responded.
> > this was right after we moved in and I was still a sociable sort of
> > guy.
> > Terry
> >
>
> Like I said treat your neighbors like shit & shit you will become.
>
> Ike
I am begining to see why your are on SSI.
Note the "I hollered for help, but no one responded. this was right
after we moved
in and I was still a sociable sort of guy."
I had helped each of the families I mentioned and none even thought to
call 911.
So in your world I should still help these people?
You are a much kinder and forgiving person then me.
Congratulations.
It was after this a similar situaitons that I accepted the masses
wanted help,
but seldom help.
Terry
JonquilJan
storm in my area (without power 5 days) when I was prepared with kerosene
heater, stored water, propane stove to cook, I told people who complained
about the 'hardship' about my preperations and how I had little problem.
Asked them if they would do the same. Only one even followed suit.
But after the 'second' ice storm a few years later (without power again for
5 days here - much longer time other places) did people see the need and
prepare.
Now, after quite a few years without a significant power outage, wondering
how many are still prepared.
I don't publicize that I have preperations - and my home is not high
profile - so it would not be in high order to be pillaged for supplies - if
it ever comes to that.
JonquilJan (finding it harder to stay 'ready' due to continued deteriation
from long term disability)
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
Stormin Mormon <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Terryc
> And should this neighbor be a Doctor & you just happen to drop in the
> yard with a heart attack??
You know so little about your neighbours that you have to immagine
punishments for you?
PS a quack is not the best person to help you if you have a heart attack.
>
> & I don't see why when a Tornado scatters your cache all over the county
> anyone should waste time digging your ass out... Oh and to answer your
> question better ... They many have skills you do not have & may someday
> require.
Your never did understand statistics do you. You want everyone to live
their life in fear.
The simple fact is that only two of about 20 neighbours have any skills
outside of their workplace.
PS, if a cyclone scatters your cache, you didn't prepare properly.
>
>>
>>
>> Our neighbours decide their appropriate treatment based on decades of
>> being neighbours.
>
>
> I feel sorry for htose living near you... THen again God will grant them
> a bit more mercy & you a bit n closer to hell... As it should be.
Thought so, religious retribution wacko.
The lord helps thouse who first help themselves, then we can offer to
help with stone soup.
Terryc
>
> Like I said treat your neighbors like shit & shit you will become.
lol, you just don't get it do you. Four people could see he needed help
and they did nothing, just stood and watched the "entertainment".
They failed. Not him. I'd haver gone and helped as best I could, even if
he was an arsehole. That costs nothing, but giving up stuff that I need
to stay alive is a whole different ball game.
Terryc
> ..After all the last big ice storm only kept us
> off the roads for a couple of days..."
lol, we do not even get that. Worst we get is wind storms when they
start bitching about the big trees around.
> SUVs,have new plasma screens, jet skis you name it, every modern techno
> toy that madison avenue pushes so I am supposed to store enough food
> to see us through and carry the grass hoppers?
Aaah, cool, know the reference.
Exactly.
I have the same attitude to those who live by credit. It is the same
thing to me.
Mark Jerde
> deteriation
> from long term disability)
Hang in there, bud.
-- Mark
Tim May
<Mark...@nospam.nospam> wrote:
She's not a "bud." Even in a world of deteriorating English, where
women refer to other women as "you guys," calling a woman a "bud" is
just plain creepy.
--Tim May
Vandy Terre
<cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I've had similar results with my local sheeple. In 2003 when the
>power was off four days, I asked if he'd do anything to prepare
>for the next time. Nope.
Some folks just live on denial. You can not teach to those who refuse to learn.
But I do wish you were my neighbor. My neighbors tend to be in denial also.
>
>My friends in Buffalo are trying to get a mortgage payment delay,
>so they can buy a generator. Not going to do any of the simple
>and inexpensive things that I suggested. Like a kerosene heater,
>and some no cook foods.
Now I live in Georgia, but grew up in Indiana. Labor Day weekend you installed
the storm windows, stocked the 'emergency no power pantry', and made sure you
had enough fire wood to heat most of the house when the power went down. Here I
get accused of 'hoarding behavior' and labeled crazy because I still do most of
the old Labor Day routine. No storm windows, but the pantry and fire wood are
made ready. So I am considered 'nuts'.
Had an ice storm a couple of years back. We set safe and sung at home. I no
longer go knock on neighbor's doors to make sure all is well because I no longer
care to be cussed out and/ or threatened with violence. Do keep an eye open for
movement at neighboring houses and would help if there was an emergency. Any
way, after sitting safe across the weekend while the ice coated trees and turned
them in to arches, Monday morning my husband, son and self cleared the half mile
private road to the highway. Yes, some of my neighbors had done some minor
clearing. Enough to barely clear the top of my van as I hauled the neighborhood
children to the bus stop. When we cleared, without any help from the neighbors,
we created access for gas trucks, emergency equipment, and power company rigs.
We don't use gas, everyone else does. No one thanked us, in fact, some claimed
to have done the job themselves. Kind of hard for them to do since most of
these neighbor got rid of their chainsaws the minute they realized I would keep
the road clear because I liked it safe. Oh well, life goes on.
>
>I'm going to spend less time calling around asking "are you OK".
Probally the best bet. Those that are handicapped in some manner besides being
lazy fools should probably get a call. Older folks, folks with real young
children, wheelchair/ crutch/ cane dependent.
Use the down time to catch some extra rest, work on a non-electric dependent
hobby, read a book, once you have provided yourself with heat and food. I tell
folks 'if you need help, call us and we will help as much as possible'.
Granted if it snows the state of Georgia tends to close down for a day per inch.
Alabama just closes all roadways during the very rare blizzard (a blizzard here
is usually temperatures near 0 F, winds over 30 mph and three inches or more
snow). I have learned to sit tight when one of these rare storms hit. All the
fools with four wheel drive are out on the roadways trying to spin doughnuts and
the rest of the native population just does not have the experience to drive
safely in snow/ ice conditions. Most of the road ways are counter banked with
few guardrails. Straight level roads are a myth from the North. Understand, I
love living here, but I do recognize the total differences from living in the
flat lands with correctly banked roads, guardrails on curves and bridges,
snowplows and salt trucks. I am blessed with skills that allow me to travel
near anywhere regardless of conditions, but sit home unless a life/ death
emergency occurs.
Don't miss the blinding snow storms of Northern Indiana. Don't miss the
blizzards of high winds with an inch of snow fall per hour for 24 hours or more.
Don't miss digging the hidden vehicle out of the snowdrift that ate it. Don't
miss the 'pack ice' at intersections. Don't miss the seven days of hard winter
without power.
Do miss the warm summer days with highs in the 70s, still have not quite gotten
used to a common summer high of 90+. Had to relearn farming, land here is high
acid. Indiana tends to be high base. Have to dodge more wild life here, deer,
fox, possum, armadillo, coyote all too common. Had to learn Southern form
American language, now needing to learn Spanish. Learned to buy my books,
because the library is poorly stocked with books of my interest/ need. Still,
life is pretty fine. I have most of the livestock I dreamed of having on
several acres of mixed pine and hard wood. A small spring fed creek that runs
about nine months of the year. Buzzards that answer the sound of a chainsaw and
circle lower when you stretch out for a break. Color changing lizards that
sneak into the house to keep the windows free of flys. Ducks that land with a
thump on the roof and roosters for early morning wake-up call.
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Vandy Terre" <va...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:22:41 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I've had similar results with my local sheeple. In 2003 when
the
> >power was off four days, I asked if he'd do anything to
prepare
> >for the next time. Nope.
>
> Some folks just live on denial. You can not teach to those who
refuse to learn.
> But I do wish you were my neighbor. My neighbors tend to be in
denial also.
CY: I'm in NY State, but we can be cyber neighbors? I know, that
doesn't do much help when the trees are down, and the roads are
icy.
> >
> >My friends in Buffalo are trying to get a mortgage payment
delay,
> >so they can buy a generator. Not going to do any of the simple
> >and inexpensive things that I suggested. Like a kerosene
heater,
> >and some no cook foods.
>
> Now I live in Georgia, but grew up in Indiana. Labor Day
weekend you installed
> the storm windows, stocked the 'emergency no power pantry', and
made sure you
> had enough fire wood to heat most of the house when the power
went down. Here I
> get accused of 'hoarding behavior' and labeled crazy because I
still do most of
> the old Labor Day routine. No storm windows, but the pantry
and fire wood are
> made ready. So I am considered 'nuts'.
CY: What a shame. And it's so culturally insensetive of them to
call you names. I mean, if you were a homosexual Jewish Mexican,
you'd be in a protected class, and no one would dare to call you
a name.
>
> Had an ice storm a couple of years back. We set safe and sung
at home. I no
> longer go knock on neighbor's doors to make sure all is well
because I no longer
> care to be cussed out and/ or threatened with violence.
CY: How sad. I got greeted with some smiles. Well, one gal from
church wanted to know why the heck I was calling her family.
After all, I wasn't the Bishop, her home teacher, or anyone from
her quorem in church. Why would I call?
Do keep an eye open for
> movement at neighboring houses and would help if there was an
emergency. Any
> way, after sitting safe across the weekend while the ice coated
trees and turned
> them in to arches, Monday morning my husband, son and self
cleared the half mile
> private road to the highway. Yes, some of my neighbors had
done some minor
> clearing. Enough to barely clear the top of my van as I hauled
the neighborhood
> children to the bus stop.
CY: That's a lot of road clearing. Half a mile!
When we cleared, without any help from the neighbors,
> we created access for gas trucks, emergency equipment, and
power company rigs.
> We don't use gas, everyone else does. No one thanked us, in
fact, some claimed
> to have done the job themselves. Kind of hard for them to do
since most of
> these neighbor got rid of their chainsaws the minute they
realized I would keep
> the road clear because I liked it safe. Oh well, life goes on.
CY: As a believer in God, let me remind you that there are
rewards after this life for those who help others.
> >
> >I'm going to spend less time calling around asking "are you
OK".
>
> Probally the best bet. Those that are handicapped in some
manner besides being
> lazy fools should probably get a call. Older folks, folks with
real young
> children, wheelchair/ crutch/ cane dependent.
CY: That's much of my thought. Call the elderly and the folks
with babies.
>
> Use the down time to catch some extra rest, work on a
non-electric dependent
> hobby, read a book, once you have provided yourself with heat
and food. I tell
> folks 'if you need help, call us and we will help as much as
possible'.
CY: That's a good middle ground.
>
> Granted if it snows the state of Georgia tends to close down
for a day per inch.
> Alabama just closes all roadways during the very rare blizzard
(a blizzard here
> is usually temperatures near 0 F, winds over 30 mph and three
inches or more
> snow). I have learned to sit tight when one of these rare
storms hit. All the
> fools with four wheel drive are out on the roadways trying to
spin doughnuts and
> the rest of the native population just does not have the
experience to drive
> safely in snow/ ice conditions.
CY: I have the same problem in NYS, the folks here don't know how
to drive safely. It's not as much me worried about the road, it's
the other fools who will slam me.
Most of the road ways are counter banked with
> few guardrails. Straight level roads are a myth from the
North. Understand, I
> love living here, but I do recognize the total differences from
living in the
> flat lands with correctly banked roads, guardrails on curves
and bridges,
> snowplows and salt trucks. I am blessed with skills that allow
me to travel
> near anywhere regardless of conditions, but sit home unless a
life/ death
> emergency occurs.
CY: Something about sober, slow, and sane. Gets you there most of
the time. Except for the other fools who slam into you.
>
> Don't miss the blinding snow storms of Northern Indiana. Don't
miss the
> blizzards of high winds with an inch of snow fall per hour for
24 hours or more.
> Don't miss digging the hidden vehicle out of the snowdrift that
ate it. Don't
> miss the 'pack ice' at intersections. Don't miss the seven
days of hard winter
> without power.
CY: Hey, I know what it's like to shovel snow every hour, and
still not keep up with it. And the snow plow from the trailer
park that keeps dumping more wet snow into the foot of my
driveway. I have done that. Shovelling, and can only keep one
vehicle cut out, cause I don't have the strength to do both of
them.
>
> Do miss the warm summer days with highs in the 70s, still have
not quite gotten
> used to a common summer high of 90+. Had to relearn farming,
land here is high
> acid. Indiana tends to be high base. Have to dodge more wild
life here, deer,
> fox, possum, armadillo, coyote all too common. Had to learn
Southern form
> American language, now needing to learn Spanish.
CY: Don't learn Spanish. They all understand if you holler
enough, and loud enough.
Learned to buy my books,
> because the library is poorly stocked with books of my
interest/ need. Still,
> life is pretty fine. I have most of the livestock I dreamed of
having on
> several acres of mixed pine and hard wood. A small spring fed
creek that runs
> about nine months of the year. Buzzards that answer the sound
of a chainsaw and
> circle lower when you stretch out for a break. Color changing
lizards that
> sneak into the house to keep the windows free of flys. Ducks
that land with a
> thump on the roof and roosters for early morning wake-up call.
CY: I don't get buzzards when I run saw. And I do live in a
trailer with a tin roof, right under a walnut tree. I am so
totally glad I don't have vietnam trauma syndrome. Walnuts on the
tin roof would send me into spazms of bad memories of gooks and
geeks throwing grenades on my tin roof. I am so lucky to have
missed that war, and the wars since then. I'd be yelling "Gooks
in the wire!" and blasting holes in my roof with a shotgun.
Terryc
> Terry,
> One day it will be you in need... & your neighbors will simply say
> screw you too & split the goodies as your corpse grows cold.
You know what the really funny part about this comment is?
The assumption that these same neighbours can co-operate enough to be a
problem to me collectively.
Stormin Mormon
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@x@@x@ | | |/ WW( ( ) )WW
\||||/ | | \| __\,,\
/,,/__
\||/ | | | jgs
(______Y______)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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--
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You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Terryc" <newsones...@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Lazyike
Why Not it's so fun? Hell Terryc is hilarious... A local Comedian has
hired me to keep Terry Trolling to give his hit show new material...
Lazyike
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:19:32 GMT, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote
>>on Mon, 01 Jan 2007 06:21:53 GMT in misc.survivalism :
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 01:00:57 GMT, Chong Chong <ch...@chong.chong> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>CY: Fortunately, the USA isn't a democracy, and hasn't been since
>>>>>the founding of the USA. It's a constitutional republic.
>>>>
>>>>Stupid idiots that repeat this bullshit must be utter morons.
>>>>
>>>>A republic is a form of democracy, dumbass.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe if you had paid attention in school rather than learning civics
>>>
>>>>from an a.m. radio, you would be better off.
>>>
>>>
>>>All in favor of cutting Chongs head off, say Aye!
>>
>> With a spork!
>>
>>
>>tschus
>>pyotr
>
>
>
> Ok, there is two for, and one would assume, 1 against. So far the
> voting is for cutting his head off.
>
> At the end of the election, Chong will have to submit to having his head
> cut off..because after all, in a true Democracy, the mob always gets
> it's way.
>
> Gunner
You was voting?? Ok I'll submit my 500 votes AGAINST cutting his head
off and 600 for You to marry Alan Connor & make an honest woman out
of him.
Ike
Lazyike
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>>The interesting
>>question I havn't resolved is: In times of crisis, do I share my
>>stored equipment and materials with the neighbors?
>>
>>One side of the coin says "no chance. They had their cashflow,
>>and
>>chose to waste it. I can't be feeding hordes of unprepared
>>people. I'm
>>not a government agency. They would clean me out in less than a
>>day,
>>and then I'd be hungry and homeless, too." Other folks figure
>>it's
>>their religious duty, to be charitable to those in need. After
>>all,
>>the various religious folks in the past have been charitable.
>>
>>While I do agree with being cheerful and pleasant with the
>>neighbors,
>>do I really want to feed them? Or maybe that sets me up as the
>>work master, and allows me to have em polishing my ride, mowing
>>my lawn. But maybe the peasants will revolt, and then I'll have
>>my castle stormed, and all my supplies stolen?
>>
>
>
> I'm rather mixed on that one.
> I do store food / supplies for those that are helping me, but do not
> plan to feed the world.
>
Never said anything about feeding the world. Most live the fantasy
that it could never happen to them or as one Neighbor said during a
tornado warning... "I'm too busy right now"
If faced with an armed mob I'd rather have unprepared Neighbors
backing ME not the mob.
My suggestion if your urban... Count the houses & apartments in a
boxed area bordered by the Main streets. Figure most are 3 br.
& the Apt. 2 br each Apt. Now store enough seeds to feed THAT group.
for one year. Next teach them survival skills covertly.
Ike
Lazyike
> I've had similar results with my local sheeple. In 2003 when the
> power was off four days, I asked if he'd do anything to prepare
> for the next time. Nope.
>
> My friends in Buffalo are trying to get a mortgage payment delay,
> so they can buy a generator. Not going to do any of the simple
> and inexpensive things that I suggested. Like a kerosene heater,
> and some no cook foods.
>
> I'm going to spend less time calling around asking "are you OK".
>
Can't save those hell bent on killing themselves.
Ike
Terryc
> Now store enough seeds to feed THAT group.
> for one year. Next teach them survival skills covertly.
They would not know what to fucking do with it. Obvious to see you
haven't a clue.
CanopyCo
Lazyike wrote:
> CanopyCo wrote:
>
<Snip>
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'm rather mixed on that one.
> > I do store food / supplies for those that are helping me, but do not
> > plan to feed the world.
> >
>
> Never said anything about feeding the world. Most live the fantasy
> that it could never happen to them or as one Neighbor said during a
> tornado warning... "I'm too busy right now"
>
> If faced with an armed mob I'd rather have unprepared Neighbors
> backing ME not the mob.
>
> My suggestion if your urban... Count the houses & apartments in a
> boxed area bordered by the Main streets. Figure most are 3 br.
> & the Apt. 2 br each Apt. Now store enough seeds to feed THAT group.
> for one year. Next teach them survival skills covertly.
>
Sounds sort of like my thinking / plan.
I am storing enough gear to take care of a small group.
And I also am looking at areas that are tactically more desirable then
the ones I own.
When things make it to Mad Max / Post Man (if it ever does, but it's
nice to dream ;-) I would be able to give incentive to a small group
that I deem desirable to band together for mutual defense.
That group may be neighbors, but may not, depending on if I can get
some more desirable people to band with me against my undesirable
neighbors.
As to teaching skills, I plan to only do that after the fall.
That will put me in the position of having something to offer that
cannot be stolen, and make it more desirable for others to ban with me
instead of taking what I taught them and moving against me to gain my
supplies.
CanopyCo
They would if you were there to teach them.
That way they have less incentive to kill you and steel your stuff.
And with a larger community garden, each person does less work to make
food for all.
Terryc
> Terryc wrote:
>
>>Lazyike wrote:
>>
>>>Now store enough seeds to feed THAT group.
>>>for one year. Next teach them survival skills covertly.
>>
>>They would not know what to fucking do with it. Obvious to see you
>>haven't a clue.
>
>
> They would if you were there to teach them.
Lol, This is the MaacyD generation. Go for a walk along your supermarket
aisles and look how much instant/microwave stuff is there.
> That way they have less incentive to kill you and steel your stuff.
Another one with his tweezers on on his willy. hahahahah As peeps have
said, they chose their situation.
> And with a larger community garden, each person does less work to make
> food for all.
Ike and you make AC sound positively intelligent and full of useful ideas.
>
r2000...@hotmail.com
>
> Lol, This is the MaacyD generation. Go for a walk along your supermarket
> aisles and look how much instant/microwave stuff is there.
>
> > That way they have less incentive to kill you and steel your stuff.
>
> Another one with his tweezers on on his willy. hahahahah As peeps have
> said, they chose their situation.
>
> > And with a larger community garden, each person does less work to make
> > food for all.
>
> Ike and you make AC sound positively intelligent and full of useful ideas.
>
You have to understand that Ike is one of the Sheeple who will be
banging on his
neighbors doors expecting them to feed him. With luck he will meet
someone who
needs something tasty to feed his hogs.
As to "incentive to kill me and steel" (hint steel is a type of iron
steal is the act
of theft, but heck my spelling and typos are the stuff of legends), as
our ilustrious
president says "Bring it own". They may well get my supplies, but they
will have
to deal with some not so minor lead poisoning. And my tendency to
really take
drastic actions when I know I am going to lose.
Back when I was 7 we had a bully who demanded his tribute of our pop,
candy etc.
I saw him coming my way and hid behind some shrubs and emptied my
bladder
into my valued Dr. Pepper. He drank the whole thing with the comment it
was "kind
of salty". They may well overwealm our meager defenses, but they had
better be very
careful about which pack of food they eat. Some will only make them
sick. Some will
make them very un alive.
And given the time I would set the place on fire before giving anything
to my conquerers.
But like I have said too many times, I have no ilusions about our
ability to hold off 50
starving and desperate people. I will offer them some wormy rice with
the comment,
hey the worms add flavor. And that should buy me some time to get the
SOOD.
(Self out of Dodge)
Based on your posts I have also toyed with the idea of a reverse
"JonesTown" with treats
for all. I haven't pursued it beyond the "There has to be fast acting,
lethal poisons that
have antidotes that can be taken before eating the nasties". The idea
being to invite the,
to quote Mr. May, "worthless eaters" in for some special food that my
wife an I have
cleverly taken steps to prevent our demise, and give the condemed a
final meal.
And just think Ike that you gave me the idea.
Hope you can take pride in your contribution to my survivial plans.
Sleep well tonight, I will.
Terry
CanopyCo
r2000...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Based on your posts I have also toyed with the idea of a reverse
> "JonesTown" with treats
> for all. I haven't pursued it beyond the "There has to be fast acting,
> lethal poisons that
> have antidotes that can be taken before eating the nasties". The idea
> being to invite the,
> to quote Mr. May, "worthless eaters" in for some special food that my
> wife an I have
> cleverly taken steps to prevent our demise, and give the condemed a
> final meal.
>
> And just think Ike that you gave me the idea.
>
> Hope you can take pride in your contribution to my survivial plans.
>
> Sleep well tonight, I will.
>
I would think a slow acting poison would be better.
That way victim number one will not show symptoms until the last one
has already finished his share.
And having an antidote is nice but not needed.
Just set up a soup type kitchen setting.
They bring their bowl and you fill it and they go home to eat.
That will give you more options.
But then, that will require allot of extra food storage.
And it will need to be something that they will eat.
Maybe pizza and hamburgers?
Lead is cheeper.
Lazyike
Anyone who responds to his own posts ain't much of a threat... At
least not one a can of gas can't fix.
Ike