White Racists a Threat to U.S. Security
Cliff
"Are White Racists a Threat to U.S. Security?"
[
....
Experts say the answer is yes. It was only last spring when the U.S. Homeland
Security Department issued a report cautioning that Rightwing extremists are
now, "The most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States"
...
As Al Jazeera shows us in the video below, a pair of filmmakers, Rick Rowley and
Jacquie Soohen took their camera inside the white nationalist movement to
investigate. The results are chilling.
Bart McEntire was a Special Agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms. He says the nation's current economic picture, the mere fact that
Obama is a black President, and a Democratically controlled Congress, are
factors fueling the fires of racist sentiment in the U.S.
He says that the problems posed by white racists could quickly spiral out of
control.
....
The video report reveals that racially motivated threats against Obama rose to
new heights in the first months of his presidency, with up to 30 death threats a
day against the President.
Adding to that is the fact that there were nine high-profile racially-based
killings in 2009, that we know about. Driving the stakes even higher, white
supremacist groups have found a home in the "tea parties" that hardline
Rightwing conservatives have held since Obama took office.
The events are almost exclusively attended by whites.
Images from these events in the U.S. show an endless stream of racist signs and
slogans, and the program by Rick Rowley and Jacquie Soohe, establishes a
connection between some of the tea party's biggest organizers, and early
organizations in the deep south that are directly tied to racist ideologies.
...
Other startling information from McEntire involves members of the U.S. military
stealing federal weapons and in turn providing them to groups that could in
turn, use them against regular U.S. troops and police.
"Soldiers in Columbus, Georgia stealing military guns and and explosives off the
military base, they were tied to the white supremacist movements."
....
Another part of this puzzle is the high octane fuel constantly tossed on the
fire by Rightwing spokesmen like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Their specific
words, Beck in particular, are clearly statements geared toward angering white
Americans
]
See video ....
sparky
wrote:
It was Dune People who kiled many thousands on 9/11. perhaps some
of these people you are complaining about are getting ready to
protect themselves from mohamediazation.
Gray Ghost
news:mibek51cb72eritdr...@4ax.com:
Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing in
the last 30 years.
You are stupid beyond words. Which is why you cannot be taken seriously.
About anything.
--
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming.
"Hide the Decline"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk
31,486 American scientists, including 9,029 with PhDs, don't agree the
science is settled.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
What it appears to be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZszGJHbK4&feature=video_response
edi...@netpath.net
this week was BLACK.
Which points out the real - documented in federal statistics - "threat
to U.S. security." Black Americans commit murder at EIGHT times the
rate the 3/4 of Americans who are white do - and die of murder at FIVE
times the rate white Americans do - according to the (in)Justice
Department. Now, who's the "threat to U.S. security" by destabilizing
every big inner city in Amerika?
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
VFW
Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january082010/racist_usa_tk.php
> "Are White Racists a Threat to U.S. Security?"
> [
> ....
> Experts say the answer is yes. It was only last spring when the U.S. Homeland
> Security Department issued a report cautioning that Rightwing extremists are
> now, "The most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States"
> ..
and I sometimes wonder if the U.$'s Wars are racist in nature.
To think the Muslim world is not hip to why we invade is pretty racist.
They are not stupid, they have seen invaders before who are not in
Afghanistan to "help" the people.
and these policies are not making amerika any safer, maybe the opposite.
--
Hint; Enjoy the moment !
Lookout
wrote:
"dune people"? Damn you rednecks are such assholes
sparky
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:13:47 -0800 (PST), sparky <sparky...@yahoo.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
It takes one to know one !!
Edward A. Falk
Gray Ghost <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing in
>the last 30 years.
Prior to 9/11, they had.
--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
Gray Ghost
@blue.rahul.net:
> In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWe...@216.196.97.142>,
> Gray Ghost <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing in
>>the last 30 years.
>
> Prior to 9/11, they had.
>
And you will of course prove this by listing white racists and thier victims.
I'll start you off, McVeigh.
Oops that's tne end, too.
Godd luck white hating swine.
Van Chocstraw
> http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january082010/racist_usa_tk.php
> "Are White Racists a Threat to U.S. Security?"
>
Aratzio
grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) got double secret
probation for writing:
No, because they are so stupid they kept getting caught and sent to
jail so they went underground for 30 years. Unless you think bombing
black churches and lynchings of black people was the act of
non-racists? Maybe you don't consider such acts terrorism because it
was aimed at brown people?
Really, how stupid are you.
PS: Oklahoma City.
Aratzio
alt.usenet.kooks, fa...@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) got double
secret probation for writing:
>In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWe...@216.196.97.142>,
>Gray Ghost <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing in
>>the last 30 years.
>
>Prior to 9/11, they had.
Unfortunately given the ability of some of these fools to ignore or
rewrite the past to fit their current world view, they will not
believe you.
Aratzio
grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) got double secret
probation for writing:
>fa...@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) wrote in news:hi84aq$qke$1
>@blue.rahul.net:
>
>> In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWe...@216.196.97.142>,
>> Gray Ghost <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing in
>>>the last 30 years.
>>
>> Prior to 9/11, they had.
>>
>
>And you will of course prove this by listing white racists and thier victims.
>
>I'll start you off, McVeigh.
>
>Oops that's tne end, too.
>
>Godd luck white hating swine.
Start here you moron:
16th Street Baptist Church
sparky
> In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWereofftoseethewi...@216.196.97.142>,
>
> Gray Ghost <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing in
> >the last 30 years.
>
> Prior to 9/11, they had.
>
And then along came the mohamedans on 9/11. killing more innocent
people in one blow than all the white people had killed in the last
100 years. And then the other mohamedans back in the sand countries
who went all happy and fuzzy that many innocent people had been
killed just so a few mahamedans could get their 72 virgins. The
mulims on 9/11 did while worshipping mohamed.
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Jan 8, 3:24 pm, f...@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
>> In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWereofftoseethewi...@216.196.97.142>,
>>
>> Gray Ghost <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and
>> >bombing in the last 30 years.
>>
>> Prior to 9/11, they had.
>>
>>
>
> And then along came the mohamedans on 9/11. killing more innocent people
> in one blow than all the white people had killed in the last 100 years.
Do you actually believe that or are you just trolling?
> And then the other mohamedans back in the sand countries who went all
> happy and fuzzy that many innocent people had been killed just so a few
> mahamedans could get their 72 virgins. The mulims on 9/11 did
> while worshipping mohamed.
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Regards, Curly
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Brother Lightfoot
"Edward A. Falk" <fa...@mauve.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:hi84aq$qke$1...@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWe...@216.196.97.142>,
> Gray Ghost <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing
in
> >the last 30 years.
>
> Prior to 9/11, they had.
>
Sadly, you're probably correct here.
--
Brother Lightfoot
"sparky" <spar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4a5c43e8-59f8-410d...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 3:24 pm, f...@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
> In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWereofftoseethewi...@216.196.97.142>,
>
> Gray Ghost <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing
in
> >the last 30 years.
>
> Prior to 9/11, they had.
>
> killed just so a few mahamedans could get their 72 virgins. The
> mulims on 9/11 did while worshipping mohamed.
When it comes down to fabricating excuses to justify killing then any one is
as just good as any another.
It's all good afic....hopefully the Christians and the Muslims will
eventually kill each other off, leaving a handfull of athiests to
re-populate..only after that will there finally be peace on earth !!!
Cliff
>On Jan 8, 3:24�pm, f...@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
>> In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWereofftoseethewi...@216.196.97.142>,
>>
>> Gray Ghost <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and bombing in
>> >the last 30 years.
>>
>> Prior to 9/11, they had.
>>
>
>
>And then along came the mohamedans on 9/11. killing more innocent
>people in one blow than all the white people had killed in the last
>100 years.
US Gunnutz kill & wound far more each & every year.
Where is your demand for gun & crazy winger control?
>And then the other mohamedans back in the sand countries
>who went all happy and fuzzy that many innocent people had been
>killed just so a few mahamedans could get their 72 virgins. The
>mulims on 9/11 did while worshipping mohamed.
Perhaps the Imperialists should have learned a lesson.
Even the very poor can now attack in defense of
the murdered, maimed & ......
--
Cliff
Cliff
<CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:00:05 -0800, sparky <spar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 8, 3:24�pm, f...@mauve.rahul.net (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
>>> In article <Xns9CFA71F98F95BWereofftoseethewi...@216.196.97.142>,
>>>
>>> Gray Ghost <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Yeah, because white racists have been doing all the killing and
>>> >bombing in the last 30 years.
>>>
>>> Prior to 9/11, they had.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And then along came the mohamedans on 9/11. killing more innocent people
>> in one blow than all the white people had killed in the last 100 years.
>
>Do you actually believe that or are you just trolling?
Wingers lie.
They cannot help it.
Winger's Disease makes them stupid too.
>
>> And then the other mohamedans back in the sand countries who went all
>> happy and fuzzy that many innocent people had been killed just so a few
>> mahamedans could get their 72 virgins. The mulims on 9/11 did
>> while worshipping mohamed.
Wingers lay eggs.
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Cliff
Cliff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_medieval_Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Agricultural_Revolution
http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/winfo/muslminv.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertile_cresent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammurabi
Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff
VFW
"Brother Lightfoot" <no...@mothmail.com> wrote:
and there are some who believe 9/11 was orchestrated by old white men.
Cheney and the Neo-Cons. look how they benefitted.
they got the wars they wanted to;
1. Attempt to control an Oil region.
2. Staged an Outpost to keep Israel safe.
3. Helped the big banks profit from the Opium trade
4. Keep an eye on the Nukes in Pakistan.
5. Guard the site of the future Pipeline.
and......................................
Alfred Pennyworth
"Brother Lightfoot" <no...@mothmail.com> wrote in message
news:RY2dndFjVfblgNXW...@scnresearch.com...
How are they going to do that when all atheists are gay? Atheism is the
religion of gays, along with global warming religion.
Dänk 1010011010
wrote:
> http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january082010/racist_usa_tk.php
> "Are White Racists a Threat to U.S. Security?"
You're a threat to U.S. Security.
Bruce Bartho
Cliff
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html
"Too much for coincidence?"
John&Michelle
"Alfred Pennyworth" <Alf...@waynemansion.bs> wrote in message
news:4b48aaab$1...@news.x-privat.org...
Dood, you need to get out of Mom's basement, get you some air......
Lookit - If you really know who's who and what's what, you'd know that gays
are, if anything, overrepresented in organized religion. Unless you are a
member of the "Westboro Baptist" "Church" or their ilk, whose true faith is
hate.
Global Warming and Evolution are proven science, even if you are incapable
of understanding them. Plugging your ears and singing "lalalala" does not
change the facts. Are you saying that God is incapable of creating a
self-adjusting, ever-changing, wonderfully complex world? Or are you so
fucking dumb that you think you can shout down the facts?
SaPeIsMa
"Brother Lightfoot" <no...@mothmail.com> wrote in message
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>
You mean like those "atheists" that were also Communists ?
They managed to kill off more people (140,000,000+) in a SINGLE century,
than Muslims and Christians managed in 20 centuries
Just goes to show what kind of nonsense fuck-ignorant idiots like you
believe
VFW
Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
and why did they hate us?
Here are some of the "reasons' for these wars. Iraq and Afghanistan.
the "Crusaders" are there to;'
Protect Israel.
Keep the Oil flowing
Keep the Poppies blooming and the banks laundering the money.
Keep an eye on the Pakistani Nukes and maybe stage an invasion if
necessary.
and Iran
not to mention the Pipeline
these reasons and more are why they will be there for some time to come.'
Talks about "leaving" always have conditions that will never happen.
And Someone asked "Why do they hate U.$." ?
and how many did the "sanctions" on Iraq kill. woman & children?
VFW
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Are you saying that God is incapable of creating a self-adjusting,
> ever-changing, wonderfully complex world?
Yes.
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Curly
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Day Brown
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:01:20 -0500, "John&Michelle" <jcr...@worldpath.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Are you saying that God is incapable of creating a self-adjusting,
>> ever-changing, wonderfully complex world?
>
> Yes.
>
was first, but as Chaos theory says, eventually a 'self replicating'
form will inevitably emerge. Hence "Gaia". Who is not omnipotent nor
omniscient, but like all natural mothers, gives birth to life for it to
out to fulfill its own destiny rather than some "divine plan".
In this system, shit will still happen; chaos is still with us.
Day Brown
Course, with so many other ongoing crises that could lead to the
implosion of the whole system, maybe we no longer have time to delve
into it. Perhaps it mite be more useful to figure out what they have
planned next, which mite save lives.
Strabo
In retrospect 'Gaia' is seen to have been a commutarian - an idealized
humanity governed by instinct with no taint of right or wrong. And so
from this we get the Socialist mindset of utopia. In reality 'Gaia'
was a transition from animism to self-awareness and logos.
With awareness comes moral acuity and conscience and the evidence
of transcendence. The question of transcendence then colors all
human endeavors and ones personal philosophy and politics arises
from the acceptance or denial of a metaphysical mind with dual
transcendent natures.
>
> In this system, shit will still happen; chaos is still with us.
>
Of course. If there is a purpose for existence in this universe it
wouldn't make sense for humans to spend it in a utopia. I mean,
why bother?
Conflict builds character and all that.
Day Brown
> In retrospect 'Gaia' is seen to have been a commutarian - an idealized
> humanity governed by instinct with no taint of right or wrong. And so
> from this we get the Socialist mindset of utopia. In reality 'Gaia'
> was a transition from animism to self-awareness and logos.
am sure some is egzactly as you say. But the variety, as we mite infer
from all the other names for a monotheistic Goddess, didnt always result
in some matriarchic utopia.
> With awareness comes moral acuity and conscience and the evidence
> of transcendence. The question of transcendence then colors all
> human endeavors and ones personal philosophy and politics arises
> from the acceptance or denial of a metaphysical mind with dual
> transcendent natures.
Agreed, to some extent certainly. But again, some minds are not sane
enuf, well developed or educated enuf to have that effect. DNA shows
Native Europeans evolved in villages of 150-300 over the course of the
last 10,000 years. Forensic analysis of skeletons shows trace mineral
patterns suggesting people who never ate anything that was not in the
local ecology. Inbreeding was a big problem, so monogamy was not the
social standard. To maximize diversity, women would not have wanted to
bear more than one kid from any given sperm donor, so the notorious
'fertility rites' served a very useful purpose.
But no doubt also challenged the instincts of attachment, as is seen in
the Musou, who still live communally. Of course, we also all know the
instinct for genetic diversity seen in philandry and cuckoldry.
>> In this system, shit will still happen; chaos is still with us.
> Of course. If there is a purpose for existence in this universe it
> wouldn't make sense for humans to spend it in a utopia. I mean,
> why bother?
>
> Conflict builds character and all that.
upside. Downside is nukes and WMD as men struggle for dominance. I do
not expect utopia, as noted above, but do see lotsa room for better,
more realistic forms of relationship that accommodates the variation in
hominid instinctive behavior patterns.
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>> In retrospect 'Gaia' is seen to have been a commutarian - an idealized
>> humanity governed by instinct with no taint of right or wrong. And so
>> from this we get the Socialist mindset of utopia. In reality 'Gaia'
>> was a transition from animism to self-awareness and logos.
> There never was a central authority to say what the dogma is, so I
> am sure some is egzactly as you say. But the variety, as we mite infer
> from all the other names for a monotheistic Goddess, didnt always result
> in some matriarchic utopia.
>
>> With awareness comes moral acuity and conscience and the evidence
>> of transcendence. The question of transcendence then colors all
>> human endeavors and ones personal philosophy and politics arises
>> from the acceptance or denial of a metaphysical mind with dual
>> transcendent natures.
> Agreed, to some extent certainly. But again, some minds are not sane
> enuf, well developed or educated enuf to have that effect. DNA shows
> Native Europeans evolved in villages of 150-300 over the course of the
> last 10,000 years. Forensic analysis of skeletons shows trace mineral
> patterns suggesting people who never ate anything that was not in the
> local ecology. Inbreeding was a big problem, so monogamy was not the
> social standard. To maximize diversity, women would not have wanted to
> bear more than one kid from any given sperm donor, so the notorious
> 'fertility rites' served a very useful purpose.
>
Social structure during this ice-age period was probably commutarian
and breeding amounted to an on-going ritualized gang-bang. A meritorious
system of hunters, materials gatherers and food and clothing preparers
constituted the core of daily operations. Child bearing and rearing
would have been closely integrated with one's production role in
society. Cave-wall pictoglyphs, astronomical time-keeping, and
stone and bone carvings, have been documented. See Marshack.
As I recall European homo sapiens were part of wide trading networks
passing along skins, amber, tools, ivory, salt and information. Food
sources were local. As the ice sheets receded after 12,000, travel and
trade between settlements increased with population.
From this point on the tribal structure modified to include clans
and the formal kinship ties which we know today.
>
> But no doubt also challenged the instincts of attachment, as is seen in
> the Musou, who still live communally. Of course, we also all know the
> instinct for genetic diversity seen in philandry and cuckoldry.
>
I believe DNA 'junk genes' are clues to various physiological switches
stimulated by complex variables.
Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon were shape-shifters.
>
>>> In this system, shit will still happen; chaos is still with us.
>
>> Of course. If there is a purpose for existence in this universe it
>> wouldn't make sense for humans to spend it in a utopia. I mean,
>> why bother?
>>
>> Conflict builds character and all that.
> upside. Downside is nukes and WMD as men struggle for dominance. I do
> not expect utopia, as noted above, but do see lotsa room for better,
> more realistic forms of relationship that accommodates the variation in
> hominid instinctive behavior patterns.
>
As I see it, human development through time is not linear. There's no
reason to assume a progression or improvement in social interaction
or behavior. 'We' could adapt to an Ice Age as easily as global Wi-Fi,
Beware Greeks bearing computers...
http://www.antikythera-mechanism.com/
In the final analysis I don't see an up or down side. I wouldn't worry
about it. It'll all come out in the wash.
Day Brown
> Social structure during this ice-age period was probably commutarian
> and breeding amounted to an on-going ritualized gang-bang. A meritorious
> system of hunters, materials gatherers and food and clothing preparers
> constituted the core of daily operations. Child bearing and rearing
> would have been closely integrated with one's production role in
> society. Cave-wall pictoglyphs, astronomical time-keeping, and
> stone and bone carvings, have been documented. See Marshack.
> As I recall European homo sapiens were part of wide trading networks
> passing along skins, amber, tools, ivory, salt and information. Food
> sources were local. As the ice sheets receded after 12,000, travel and
> trade between settlements increased with population.
>
> From this point on the tribal structure modified to include clans
> and the formal kinship ties which we know today.
I referred specifically to the onset of agriculture 10,000 BP. There
have always been hunting tribes or nomads, altho gradually decreasing
until only the Saami and Gypsy is left. Who have severe problems trying
to adjust to modern culture; they have all the same sociopathologies we
expect of non-white minorities.
> Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon were shape-shifters.
I distinctly remember seeing what I now know were a Neanderthal mom and
son get on a trolley in 1948. Nobody paid any attention. Looking back, I
didnt think of it as shape shifting, but a kind of telepathy that
blinded others to what was before their eyes.
> As I see it, human development through time is not linear. There's no
> reason to assume a progression or improvement in social interaction
> or behavior. 'We' could adapt to an Ice Age as easily as global Wi-Fi,
"The Age of Stonehenge" by Burgess shows farmers showing up @3000 BC.
But then, after a few generations of bad farming methods, having worn
out the soil, were replaced by stock breeders. The warrior elites always
arose out of the stock breeders, and so exploited the farmers that soon
as there was a crop failure, the farmers all died or left. Leaving the
warrior elites to hack it out among themselves til their numbers too
were decimated.
And of course, after a period of fallow ground grown back up into climax
forest, the farmers return, to restart the cycle.
> Beware Greeks bearing computers...
>
> http://www.antikythera-mechanism.com/
You havta wonder what else was lost. The Gradesnica platter shows us
four lines of text. 7000 years old. The Cucuteni, 6000 BP, left us doll
furniture, doll priestesses, doll houses and doll temples. The buildings
have chimneys. They also left us with many coupled figures, neither of
which is male. No wonder JP Mallory says the Aryans didnt have a word
for 'marriage'.
There's a conspicuous absence of signs of warfare for 4000 years among
the Cucuteni, Petresti, Vinca, and Hvar. Course, men who dont own women
dont fight over them, nor go to war to get harems.
> In the final analysis I don't see an up or down side. I wouldn't worry
> about it. It'll all come out in the wash.
For sure, its not upta us. I am struck by how often a 'white
supremacist' rants about Jews as well as his faith in the Bible. Why
would an Aryan have a Semitic religion?
And if a white woman is stupid enuf to breed with a black man, then she
is out of the white gene pool, and doing us a favor. Smart girls have
always been troublesome and sold off at lower prices; its been the white
men who were willing to take on the challenge of having their opinions
criticized, and had smarter sons to raise as a result.
Curly Surmudgeon
>Strabo wrote:
>> Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon were shape-shifters.
I wondered about this line too but let it pass until someone else
commented. How do you come by this concept?
> I distinctly remember seeing what I now know were a Neanderthal mom and
> son get on a trolley in 1948. Nobody paid any attention. Looking back, I
> didnt think of it as shape shifting, but a kind of telepathy that
> blinded others to what was before their eyes.
I see lots of Neanderathals. They're all registered Republican.
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Day Brown
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:20:40 -0600, Day Brown <dayh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Strabo wrote:
>>> Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon were shape-shifters.
>
> I wondered about this line too but let it pass until someone else
> commented. How do you come by this concept?
>
>> I distinctly remember seeing what I now know were a Neanderthal mom and
>> son get on a trolley in 1948. Nobody paid any attention. Looking back, I
>> didnt think of it as shape shifting, but a kind of telepathy that
>> blinded others to what was before their eyes.
>
> I see lots of Neanderathals. They're all registered Republican.
lotsa fractures, but they look more like rodeo bull riders. Its due to
close range encounters with megafauna. Riding a woolly rhino musta been
challenging. But they entirely lack the parry fractures- upper arms and
fractured skulls we see in the graves of tropical hunting tribes who
were chronically at war. You dont see the front teeth bashed in either.
Neanderthal brains were 20% larger, but shaped more like footballs- with
the occipital bun at the back. Their extinction, unlike the expected
demise of Republicans, was not due to stupidity. They adopted new Cro
Magnon technologies, but also hybridized. When you do that, you get
lotsa fertile males but very few mtDNA lines survived because the female
reproduction tract is so much more complex.
Thus there are scores of Aryan Y chromosome lines, but only 7 indigenous
mtDNA lines have been found in Europe. It is Neanderthal DNA that makes
the diff; its they who had the white skin.
Curly Surmudgeon
But how do you get the shape-shifter idea?
Day Brown
> But how do you get the shape-shifter idea?
Neanderthals still exist. So, they dont see the traits of Neanderthals
in anyone they come across. Group think is remarkably powerful.
Strabo
It does happen.
Two indicators of a static society are 1)the absence of an external
threat or competition and 2)a climate favorable to sustained food
resources.
>
>> In the final analysis I don't see an up or down side. I wouldn't worry
>> about it. It'll all come out in the wash.
> For sure, its not upta us. I am struck by how often a 'white
> supremacist' rants about Jews as well as his faith in the Bible. Why
> would an Aryan have a Semitic religion?
>
Some folks are short-sighted while others see more.
>
> And if a white woman is stupid enuf to breed with a black man, then she
> is out of the white gene pool, and doing us a favor. Smart girls have
> always been troublesome and sold off at lower prices; its been the white
> men who were willing to take on the challenge of having their opinions
> criticized, and had smarter sons to raise as a result.
>
Ascertaining the probability of successful procreation and maturation
is at issue. The first consideration is cultural values. Those closest
to the core of their culture reject inclusion of outsiders. Those on
the periphery can go either way. Then there are the physiological
variables like genetics and fitness.
Generally speaking, interracial marriages or those outside the greater
tribe, are a bad idea.
Curly Surmudgeon
> Generally speaking, interracial marriages or those outside the greater
> tribe, are a bad idea.
Genetically that is a very bad idea. The tighter one keeps a gene pool
the more common become birth abnormalities. Spread your seed far and
wide.
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wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:00:42 -0500, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> > Generally speaking, interracial marriages or those outside the greater
> > tribe, are a bad idea.
>
> Genetically that is a very bad idea. The tighter one keeps a gene pool
> the more common become birth abnormalities. Spread your seed far and
> wide.
Wouldn't it be best if you shared it with women?
> --
> Regards, Curly
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Day Brown
>> There's a conspicuous absence of signs of warfare for 4000 years among
>> the Cucuteni, Petresti, Vinca, and Hvar. Course, men who dont own
>> women dont fight over them, nor go to war to get harems.
>>
>
> It does happen.
>
> Two indicators of a static society are 1)the absence of an external
> threat or competition and 2)a climate favorable to sustained food
> resources.
acres/village. The tels reveal very stable populations. This is because
women ran things. With men, siring as many children as possible by
controlling as many women as possible is good genetic strategy. But for
women, each birth takes a toll, and they are far more careful, when they
are in control, to be sure the resources are there to properly raise
each child before having one.
The abundance of herbal abortificants in the European ecosystem gave
women power men knew nothing of. The stable population and communal
lifestyle, with a far lower per capita cost of living resulted in much
better land management. Soil cores reveal they worked the same land from
8000 to 4000 BC without ever destroying the fertility of the soil or
clearcutting the upland woods.
The warrior tribes you'd expect to be enemies were far too few in
numbers. The typical hunter tribe is 75-150. The typical village
150-300, and it is part of a network of villages. Any raid is likely to
result in a posse of a thousand using dogs to track them. You'd think
that if the hunting tribes united, their familiarity with weapons would
win out. But they had the same problem back then as in America. Alpha
male egos with too many chiefs and not enuf Indians.
The dendochronology shows climate shifts, then as now. But the bone
middens show over 100 wild plants and animals in the diet as well as a
wide variety of domestic grains, legumes, tubers, greens, etc. Unlike
alpha male dominated cultures, they didnt go in for monoculture to feed
the lower classes as cheaply as possible, so no single crop failure led
to stress or revolution.
> Ascertaining the probability of successful procreation and maturation
> is at issue. The first consideration is cultural values. Those closest
> to the core of their culture reject inclusion of outsiders. Those on
> the periphery can go either way. Then there are the physiological
> variables like genetics and fitness.
>
> Generally speaking, interracial marriages or those outside the greater
> tribe, are a bad idea.
The exception is if both races are descended from yeoman farming
cultures, as we see with Chinese, Japanese, or Korans marrying with the
farmer lines that evolved on the West end of the Eurasian land mass.
4000 years ago, Amazons moved into what is now NW China to found the
oases city states of what became the Silk Road just West of the Jade
Gate. While there are a few snide remarks about the "monkey faced"
Tocharians, EW Barber, "The Mummies of Urumchi" notes Aryans quickly
moved into Shang palaces as astrologers and magicians. And Chinese have
always been found in Tocharian graveyards- dressed in the same Western
clothes with the same quality gravegoods.
But consistent with your view are the derogatory comments among both
Chinese and Tocharian texts regarding the Mongol and Tibetan bandits or
their barbarity. A Han family would be far more worried about marriage
with either of them than a much more physically different Aryan line.
I wont quibble with the rest of your position; it is, as you say,
general, and Tocharian history is really obscure. However, it is an
example of when Aryans and Chinese first began doing business, and shows
how well we all did at it. 5000 years of business practice is no doubt,
by now, also somewhat instinctive.
Barber mentions traveling in NW China and seeing fair skinned, even
green or blue eyed, people that would pass unnoticed in any European
city who are, nonetheless "Chinese" and sound that way. Amazon graves
have been found in the permafrost of the Altai, and that mtDNA has been
found in NW China and Mongolia.
Day Brown
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:00:42 -0500, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, interracial marriages or those outside the greater
>> tribe, are a bad idea.
>
> Genetically that is a very bad idea. The tighter one keeps a gene pool
> the more common become birth abnormalities. Spread your seed far and
> wide.
>
end of the temperate zone Eurasian land mass. There is a large, and
common set, of instinctive behavior patterns related to resource
management and delayed gratification.
But when mated with a hunting tribe, then some instincts, such as to run
free of responsibilities to be able to take advantage of any resource
encountered at any time... conflicts with the nesting instincts needed
to properly care for kids.
Since modern corporate culture evolved from yeoman farming, those from
hunting or herding lines have a hard time adapting to it. Their young
males prefer ostentatious wardrobes- allowing them to carry their wealth
with at all times. They have problems with authority figures- who limit
the range of their predatory hunting instincts. They dont care much
about property rights; they value their position within the pecking
order, and will quickly resort to violence if the opportunity arises to
improve the status.
Most European lines descend from yeomanry; but Lapps and Gypsy are both
nomadic, and have all the same social problems of tropical tribes even
tho both are as white as I am. "Whiteness" is not the critical factor. I
would not be concerned if my daughters chose to marry Chinese, Japanese,
or Korean men- whose skin tones are more different than Hispanics.
Curly Surmudgeon
Genetic diversity greatly diminishes the risk of recessive genes of both
parents combining in the offspring. Look at the intelligence level of
British aristocracy for a real world lesson.
Day Brown
> Genetic diversity greatly diminishes the risk of recessive genes of both
> parents combining in the offspring. Look at the intelligence level of
> British aristocracy for a real world lesson.
Only those with the most robust immune systems survived to sail the
Baltic and come home.
While hemophilia and cystic fibrosis are notable risks among the Anglo
Saxons, they are unknown among the Nordic lines, which have the lowest
rate of genetic defect I know of.
Any woman, of any race, with enuf melanin to avoid skin cancer in the
lower lattitudes would do better with a Nordic sperm donor. No Sickle
Cell, no hemophilia, no cystic fibrosis, but much better chances of
emotionally stable liberal personalities and talent without going on to
the extremes at greater risk of autism and schizophrenia.
(I am not Nordic, merely reporting the facts; and if the mtDNA is fair
enuf to produce a real trophy blonde, the rich men of the planet will
line up at the door, and after the wedding, the mother will be very well
fixed for the rest of her life. Those whose own melanin level is too
high would do well to consider in vitro implantation to get the same
result. The historical record is full of successful white men who were
raised by black nannies, who were then also very well taken care of in
their later years. Just moving that process up 9 months would only make
such a result more likely.)
Strabo
> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>> Genetic diversity greatly diminishes the risk of recessive genes of
>> both parents combining in the offspring. Look at the intelligence
>> level of British aristocracy for a real world lesson.
> YMMV. The Vikings were the most widely traveled men for 1000+ years.
> Only those with the most robust immune systems survived to sail the
> Baltic and come home.
>
> While hemophilia and cystic fibrosis are notable risks among the Anglo
> Saxons, they are unknown among the Nordic lines, which have the lowest
> rate of genetic defect I know of.
>
Yep.
>
> Any woman, of any race, with enuf melanin to avoid skin cancer in the
> lower lattitudes would do better with a Nordic sperm donor. No Sickle
> Cell, no hemophilia, no cystic fibrosis, but much better chances of
> emotionally stable liberal personalities and talent without going on to
> the extremes at greater risk of autism and schizophrenia.
>
Yep. Women do that.
>
> (I am not Nordic, merely reporting the facts; and if the mtDNA is fair
> enuf to produce a real trophy blonde, the rich men of the planet will
> line up at the door, and after the wedding, the mother will be very well
> fixed for the rest of her life. Those whose own melanin level is too
> high would do well to consider in vitro implantation to get the same
> result. The historical record is full of successful white men who were
> raised by black nannies, who were then also very well taken care of in
> their later years. Just moving that process up 9 months would only make
> such a result more likely.)
>
The black nanny is a good example.
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>>> There's a conspicuous absence of signs of warfare for 4000 years
>>> among the Cucuteni, Petresti, Vinca, and Hvar. Course, men who dont
>>> own women dont fight over them, nor go to war to get harems.
>>>
>>
>> It does happen.
>>
>> Two indicators of a static society are 1)the absence of an external
>> threat or competition and 2)a climate favorable to sustained food
>> resources.
> The Chalcolithic Danubians lived in large communal houses with 2000+
> acres/village. The tels reveal very stable populations. This is because
> women ran things. With men, siring as many children as possible by
> controlling as many women as possible is good genetic strategy. But for
> women, each birth takes a toll, and they are far more careful, when they
> are in control, to be sure the resources are there to properly raise
> each child before having one.
>
This group is a fascinating departure from the usual high-tension
dynamics generated by competing cultures.
The population was maintained so well for so long without war
that this may have been one of those rare cases of polyandry.
Life along the Danube was good.
I found their fish effigies interesting.
A complex subject which we can only generalize here.
>
> Barber mentions traveling in NW China and seeing fair skinned, even
> green or blue eyed, people that would pass unnoticed in any European
> city who are, nonetheless "Chinese" and sound that way. Amazon graves
> have been found in the permafrost of the Altai, and that mtDNA has been
> found in NW China and Mongolia.
>
No doubt in my mind that there was Aryan traffic to and from the East.
In such cases the value of commerce and novelty would influence ordinary
precautions. With the area ruler's acceptance the outsider's high status
would appeal to natives. A similar situation existed in North America
between the French and English and the natives up until the 1860s.
I think the potentiality of interracial marriage (not conquest by rape)
is best understood from studies of group dynamics which show that values
and norms differ somewhat between core and peripheral players with
those on the periphery more open to outside influence. This boundary
phenom is observed as genetic drift.
Strabo
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:00:42 -0500, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, interracial marriages or those outside the greater
>> tribe, are a bad idea.
>
> Genetically that is a very bad idea. The tighter one keeps a gene pool
> the more common become birth abnormalities. Spread your seed far and
> wide.
>
Planting seed far and wide is the primary male strategy but the female
puts the emphasis on predictability, namely support and security. They
often conflict. So, the female may mate with an interloper while
seducing a local for long-term benefits. If the off-spring exposes
her betrayal, there'll be problems.
Secondarily, both male and female select based on chemical and visual
signals.
Day Brown
Grateful of agreement when found. I've suggested, now that women are
taking over corporations, the childcare services they now provide will
be added to with fertility clinic options. Busy smart talented career
women will see they can hire 'nannies' to also now give birth to their
eggs- fertilized by the most promising Y chromosome lines, and as these
kids mature and enter the firm, profits will increase, and both the egg
donors and the nannies will be well fixed for life.
The demise of the white race has been prematurely announced. All that
will disappear are impolite jackass racists.
Day Brown
> This group is a fascinating departure from the usual high-tension
> dynamics generated by competing cultures.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7000810.ece
The location, 40 mi from Paris.... I've read of a 'wood henge' from this
same era in the Paris vicinity. It looks like a stockyard where farmers,
hunters, fishermen, and merchants met. Lotsa broken shells, beads, bits
of stone, metal, pottery, etc. Some of the shells from the Atlantic, but
other debris from the Cucuteni on the Danube Delta.
Thing is, back then, witches were not demonized, and provided healthcare
as well as hosting 'fertility rites'. And above, we see sophisticated
surgery- indicating a system no aggressive warrior wants to interfere with.
Obviously, a village that hosts orgies would never be attacked; guys are
not really into burning down whorehouses. Another clue: syphilis, which
leaves characteristic lesions on the bones. A medieval monastic
graveyard showed 70% of the skeletons with syphilitic lesions. But
graves of the witch run Danubians show a 1% rate of infection. In a
culture where men are not ashamed of their bodies or genitalia, they'd
show the sores to witches the same as any other lesion, get treated, and
that'd stop the spread of STDs.
> The population was maintained so well for so long without war
> that this may have been one of those rare cases of polyandry.
JP Mallory, "In Search of the Indo-Europeans" says the original
Aryan language didnt have a word for 'marriage'. There are lotsa coupled
figures, but the sex is almost always both with tits, or rendered so
that the sex is not clear.
If the Musou are indicative, sex was not the token of attachment; people
lived alone or with whoever. There's no system to control that, or the
movement of men from one village to another. The women tend to stay put
cause that's where their kids are.
> Life along the Danube was good.
Agreed.
> I found their fish effigies interesting.
I do not know what to make of that. Living along the rivers, fish
would've been a big part of the diet, and reliably there all year.
Slippery wet somewhat rigid meat has an obvious sexual attribute.
The notion we are born out of the water (bag) relates also.
>> Barber mentions traveling in NW China and seeing fair skinned, even
>> green or blue eyed, people that would pass unnoticed in any European
>> city who are, nonetheless "Chinese" and sound that way. Amazon graves
>> have been found in the permafrost of the Altai, and that mtDNA has
>> been found in NW China and Mongolia.
> No doubt in my mind that there was Aryan traffic to and from the East.
> In such cases the value of commerce and novelty would influence ordinary
> precautions. With the area ruler's acceptance the outsider's high status
> would appeal to natives. A similar situation existed in North America
> between the French and English and the natives up until the 1860s.
Barber mentions the casting of belt buckles and broaches in the shape of
Chinese dragons, but the very same castings were shipped west, where
they were seen as "griffins".
>
> I think the potentiality of interracial marriage (not conquest by rape)
> is best understood from studies of group dynamics which show that values
> and norms differ somewhat between core and peripheral players with
> those on the periphery more open to outside influence. This boundary
> phenom is observed as genetic drift.
Another recent study says farmer Y chromosomes replaced hunter, as the
mtDNA chose to mate with the more reliable food supply. Never mind the
comforts of the large communal household where there were always nite
owls to keep the fire going all nite, with hot tea ready whenever you
woke up in the morning.
The figures they left show us people in tailored pants, jackets, shirts,
skirts, and vests with knee length laced boots. Linen, wool, and hemp
fabric has been found. Interestingly, Barber shows us Tocharian fabric
that has DNA from European lines of sheep. Twill (which the Chinese
never did), plaid, (which they didnt do either), and even a sample that
is classic TARTAN. From the 5th century.
As you say, history is not what we thot.
Day Brown
> I think the potentiality of interracial marriage (not conquest by rape)
> is best understood from studies of group dynamics which show that values
> and norms differ somewhat between core and peripheral players with
> those on the periphery more open to outside influence. This boundary
> phenom is observed as genetic drift.
>
females are stolen, traded, or married off. Thus, men are loyal to their
heritage, but women needed the adaptability a new culture demanded.
So today, as the global free market culture emerges, its women who are
adapting to it.
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>> I think the potentiality of interracial marriage (not conquest by rape)
>> is best understood from studies of group dynamics which show that values
>> and norms differ somewhat between core and peripheral players with
>> those on the periphery more open to outside influence. This boundary
>> phenom is observed as genetic drift.
>>
> Another obscure factor- sons are kept in the tribe as warriors, but the
> females are stolen, traded, or married off. Thus, men are loyal to their
> heritage, but women needed the adaptability a new culture demanded.
>
Girls are raised to expect a foreign husband. See below.
Men are most valued locally. No group sends their men away to become
a potential competitor or enemy. Females on the other hand have value
locally as well as to establish kinship ties with competing clans and
tribes. The intricate web of kinship is key to loyalty and societal
stability.
>
> So today, as the global free market culture emerges, its women who are
> adapting to it.
>
Women tend to establish ties with people instead of place or things.
Men are the opposite.
Strabo
You've extended your nanny example and entered a Brave New World.
Your futuristic projection may happen and then fail miserably. Here's
why.
The female biological imperative is personal and closeup. The mother
and child bond is fundamental to a viable society. The biological mother
is the primary source of socialization and cultural beginnings. Anything
short of this is a compromise for women who do not perform this duty
fail to satisfy their inner yearnings and endanger their society.
The nanny can only serve as an assist and then only when in concert
with the dominant culture.
>
> The demise of the white race has been prematurely announced. All that
> will disappear are impolite jackass racists.
>
If what constitutes the white race should fail, what follows would
be quite different from what we know today.
Day Brown
>> Grateful of agreement when found. I've suggested, now that women are
>> taking over corporations, the childcare services they now provide will
>> be added to with fertility clinic options. Busy smart talented career
>> women will see they can hire 'nannies' to also now give birth to their
>> eggs- fertilized by the most promising Y chromosome lines, and as
>> these kids mature and enter the firm, profits will increase, and both
>> the egg donors and the nannies will be well fixed for life.
>
> You've extended your nanny example and entered a Brave New World.
> Your futuristic projection may happen and then fail miserably. Here's
> why.
>
> The female biological imperative is personal and closeup. The mother
> and child bond is fundamental to a viable society. The biological mother
> is the primary source of socialization and cultural beginnings. Anything
> short of this is a compromise for women who do not perform this duty
> fail to satisfy their inner yearnings and endanger their society.
>
> The nanny can only serve as an assist and then only when in concert
> with the dominant culture.
dont intend to harvest for 20 years. In many cases, the most valuable
investment they have is in the talent & organization of the staff, and
the obvious place to get that to replace retirees, is in the DNA.
Perhaps you know of Bouchard's longitudinal study of identical twins
adopted out at birth to different sets of parents? Recall that in the
mid 20's talent and personality profile assessment scores were easily
matched despite the parents having different incomes, religions, social
values or politics.
This is not to say that other cultures, such as you expect, will not
also exist. But this is what the manager class will do, ie everything to
improve the performance of every generation.
Day Brown
> Women tend to establish ties with people instead of place or things.
> Men are the opposite.
adaptations to market conditions, its women who will dominate.
Strabo
Yes, I know it. Twins raised in different culture might not change
the pattern. However, their cultural differences would remain.
One from the West might become an internist and his twin from
Peru might become a shaman.
>
> This is not to say that other cultures, such as you expect, will not
> also exist. But this is what the manager class will do, ie everything to
> improve the performance of every generation.
>
What then improves performance, the use of merit or the maintenance of
a status quo?
Managers manage according to a policy.
Day Brown
>> Perhaps you know of Bouchard's longitudinal study of identical twins
>> adopted out at birth to different sets of parents? Recall that in the
>> mid 20's talent and personality profile assessment scores were easily
>> matched despite the parents having different incomes, religions,
>> social values or politics.
> Yes, I know it. Twins raised in different culture might not change
> the pattern. However, their cultural differences would remain.
>
> One from the West might become an internist and his twin from
> Peru might become a shaman.
customs would be similar.
>> This is not to say that other cultures, such as you expect, will not
>> also exist. But this is what the manager class will do, ie everything
>> to improve the performance of every generation.
> What then improves performance, the use of merit or the maintenance of
> a status quo?
> Managers manage according to a policy.
The global free market seems to reward innovation. And even tho women
would make different Y chromosome decisions, I'd expect them to choose
lines that are more sociable and able to compromise over those which are
more willing to push the envelop... which would harm innovation. But, no
doubt, enterprises would, depending on the perceived rate of innovation
in their market niche swing one way or the other.
DNA suggests Aryans evolved in agrarian villages of 150-300. We know the
witches and elders supported the progeny of people who were not talented
parents, but had other skills like say flint knapping, the tribe needed.
Today, lotsa innovation comes from the geek with a kind of tunnel vision
of the mind, ignoring social responsibility to focus on a technical
problem. Not every enterprise will get the ratio of merit or sociability
correct, but those that do, will prosper.
Alpha males are notoriously difficult to case manage; but combined with
superior intelligence, have the drive to move the whole community
forward with a clearer vision of goals. Much of the trouble the world
now has is with alpha males who lack the talent to lead and dominate,
whose frustration produces what Nietzsche called "The rancor of
impotence". Too many chiefs, not enuf Indians.
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>>> Perhaps you know of Bouchard's longitudinal study of identical twins
>>> adopted out at birth to different sets of parents? Recall that in the
>>> mid 20's talent and personality profile assessment scores were easily
>>> matched despite the parents having different incomes, religions,
>>> social values or politics.
<snipped>
> Alpha males are notoriously difficult to case manage; but combined with
> superior intelligence, have the drive to move the whole community
> forward with a clearer vision of goals.
>
> Much of the trouble the world
> now has is with alpha males who lack the talent to lead and dominate,
> whose frustration produces what Nietzsche called "The rancor of
> impotence". Too many chiefs, not enuf Indians.
>
They are not alpha males. They are geldings being led by geeks.
Strabo
I'd appreciate your sources on this Neanderthal info.
Day Brown
> I'd appreciate your sources on this Neanderthal info.
Gooch, "Neanderthal Legacy"
Archaeology magazine, and the Internet.
If theres a particular point you dont think credible, I may be able to
dredge up the original source. But most of what is challenging, is not
the data, but the conclusions which most dont want to think about.
Day Brown
>> Alpha males are notoriously difficult to case manage; but combined
>> with superior intelligence, have the drive to move the whole community
>> forward with a clearer vision of goals.
> >
> > Much of the trouble the world
>> now has is with alpha males who lack the talent to lead and dominate,
>> whose frustration produces what Nietzsche called "The rancor of
>> impotence". Too many chiefs, not enuf Indians.
>>
>
> They are not alpha males. They are geldings being led by geeks.
gifted and intelligent, understand enuf of what is going on, even when
not selected for leadership, and like a Bodhisattva, are content with
their lot in life, but ready to handle responsibility whenever it may be
given to them. Which the Stoics also understood.
Geeks dont lead anyone. Bill Gates is not a geek. He did not write DOS,
but, in true classic alpha male fashion, recognized a work of genius for
what it was, and then had the luck to be able to sell it to the right
people, in this case, IBM.
Linus Torvalds is a geek; he did not try to build an economic empire,
but recognized the contribution of others (in UNIX), and therefore has
the respect of the knowledgeable that no amount of money will purchase
for the likes of Bill Gates.
There is an emerging alliance of geeks and women who are learning to run
the show without the high cost of alpha male management. They are also,
as we see with Obama, selecting 'front men' to negotiate for them with
the remaining alpha male power elites.
Terrorism and racism are expressions of alpha males trying to form some
kind of power structure to confront this global social change. Trying to
flatten the inherited alpha male power structures that do, nevertheless
provide the necessities of life- without having them crippled by the all
too laborious democratic process of consensus... may not be timely, and
economic and political chaos may result.
Which alpha males hope will offer them new leadership. I dont think that
will work. The 5000 years of alpha male warrior elites, with the brave
heart, strong right arm, sword in hand... no longer cuts it. Smith &
Wesson guarantee superior rights for smart educated women. Men being
bigger and stronger no longer matters.
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>> I'd appreciate your sources on this Neanderthal info.
> Sykes, "The Seven Daughters of Eve"
> Gooch, "Neanderthal Legacy"
> Archaeology magazine, and the Internet.
>
> If theres a particular point you dont think credible,
>
No, just want more detail.
>
> I may be able to
> dredge up the original source. But most of what is challenging, is not
> the data, but the conclusions which most dont want to think about.
>
Thanks
Day Brown
> Day Brown wrote:
>> Strabo wrote:
>>> I'd appreciate your sources on this Neanderthal info.
>> Sykes, "The Seven Daughters of Eve"
>> Gooch, "Neanderthal Legacy"
>> Archaeology magazine, and the Internet.
>>
>> If theres a particular point you dont think credible,
> No, just want more detail.
Gooch is a nutcase, like Velikovsky, who nevertheless, has done lotsa
research tracking down Neanderthal remains scattered around in obscure
museums or the field reports.
There is one other curious case that needs looking into: The Ainu. Who
also share many European/Neanderthal traits. The spookiest is that they
have a Great Bear God. Traditionally, somebody crawls into a bear den
during hibernation, takes a cub back to the village, and then the women
nurse it at their own breasts.
The bear grows up in the house like a pet; but the day comes when they
tell it secrets to carry into the next world, then butcher the bear for
a feast. Afterwards, they drape the bear skin over a clay form and put a
bear skull on the floor beneath it, with the bear femurs crossed and
then thrust thru the eye sockets. The original 'skull and crossed
bones'. Joseph Campbell has raps about how hunting tribes do this sort
of thing to establish a relationship with important prey species.
Now, I found this in an old obscure Anthropology book that I had to
return to the owner. What got my attention was years later when I read
of a cave in central Europe where they found a clay model of a bear with
the remains of the bear skin on and about it, and with the skull and
crossed bones on the floor in front of it. Dated 28,000 BC.
Like European hybrids, Ainu have thick beards, prominent brow ridges,
white skin, and shorter, less gracile frames- an adaptation to retain
heat during the ice age.
Another point to consider is that given the extremely low population
density of Europe, the tribes that had both robust Neanderthals to drag
back tons of megafauna meat to the camp and faster more gracile Cro
Magnons with longer range weapons- would have had a very significant
economic advantage.
And while much has been made of the DNA data, Gooch, for one, notes how
widely dispersed and therefore variable Neanderthals were. We have no
way of evaluating with the few HNS remains we have, all of which would
fit in a footlocker, are representative.
And to complicate matters even further, there's no moment of conception,
but a period of time the cell wall remains permeable. Sometimes more
than one sperm get in. If all are XX or XY, nobody notices. But if not,
then we see XXY; a hermaphrodite. And in 'Sperm Wars' and other sources
we see some sperm are fast, others durable.
Moreover, in small groups like this, monogamy would've aggrevated an
already severe inbreeding problem. Women would've had sex with more than
one sperm donor regularly. If some that get in are Neanderthal, then
even tho the chromosome count dont match, it wouldnt matter; whatever
segments of the Y chromosome from sperm donors that match up will do.
There is only one mother, but more than one father is possible. Which,
to some extent explains the rapid emergence of new haplotypes and their
wider variety. Compared to the mtDNA lines which are so few.