crude oil's record ascent to solidly above $121 per barrel
Cliff
Or worse.
The neocons win another one.
--
Cliff
"The Rifleman"
barrel
"Cliff" <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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mariposas rand mair fheal
"\"The Rifleman\"" <surv...@northland.com> wrote:
> On the BBC some Arab oil minister is forcasting sustained periods of $200 a
> barrel
the good news is there is still plenty of oil in the ground
so these are still the days of cheap oil
if the usa government had made some fairly modest investments
since the 1973 embargo
the usa would have alternative infrastructure in place and ready to go today
but we kept being told that alternatives were not competitive
and -gosh- the government is inefficient and inept
so we left it to the market
and now find ourselves stuck
with no alternatives
and nothing we can do before some people are ruined
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
Gunner
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <4rWdnVnK489e_rzV...@bt.com>,
> "\"The Rifleman\"" <surv...@northland.com> wrote:
>
>> On the BBC some Arab oil minister is forcasting sustained periods of $200 a
>> barrel
>
>the good news is there is still plenty of oil in the ground
>so these are still the days of cheap oil
>
>if the usa government had made some fairly modest investments
>since the 1973 embargo
>the usa would have alternative infrastructure in place and ready to go today
>but we kept being told that alternatives were not competitive
>and -gosh- the government is inefficient and inept
Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
Gunner
spamT...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 01:43:57 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>
> >In article <4rWdnVnK489e_rzVnZ2dnUVZ8redn...@bt.com>,
> > "\"The Rifleman\"" <survi...@northland.com> wrote:
>
> >> On the BBC some Arab oil minister is forcasting sustained periods of $200 a
> >> barrel
>
> >the good news is there is still plenty of oil in the ground
> >so these are still the days of cheap oil
>
> >if the usa government had made some fairly modest investments
> >since the 1973 embargo
> >the usa would have alternative infrastructure in place and ready to go today
> >but we kept being told that alternatives were not competitive
> >and -gosh- the government is inefficient and inept
>
> Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
> huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
>
> Gunner
I'd have more places to ride my dirt-bike, too.
Dave
zym...@rise.zzn.com
> huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
>
> Gunner
My thoughts exactally.
Myal
but ...you got the guns , and the bullets , just the spine to do what
you fantasize about seems to be lacking .... armchair comandos strike
again ...
mariposas rand mair fheal
zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
from where?
Cliff
"Crude oil rose $1.69 to another record close of $123.53 per barrel,"
The secret sureshit neocon energy plan in action.
[
March 21, 2008 - 8:11am
By DEB RIECHMANN
Associated Press Writer
"You've got a situation in which we've seen the price of oil rise fairly
dramatically in recent months, up now to over $100 a barrel," Cheney said. "But
it reflects primarily the realities in the marketplace."
Earlier this week, Bush said his administration was "on top of the situation"
...
]
It's the missionary position all over again.
--
Cliff
Protagonist
"Gunner" <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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That quote, realy shows your mental insanity, guy!
Drive a hybrid, not too late!
JS
Protagonist
like Germany was after WW1, 32% unimployment.
JS
"Cliff" <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Cliff
What do you have against capitalism, property rights and the free market?
BTW, as the US was one of the first to start drilling for & pumping oil
as well as using it on a massive scale there's not a whole lot left in the
ground in the US to be found. So you lie again anyway.
But guns, thefts, lies & murders solve all problems for wingers, right?
--
Cliff
Gunner
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <6578a637-51a1-482f...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
>
>> > Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
>> > huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
>> >
>> > Gunner
>>
>> My thoughts exactally.
>
>from where?
From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
Gunner
wrote:
Lots of hybrids 40 yrs ago wasnt there?
Say sport..who makes a hybrid pickup truck that will haul all my tools
and spare parts?
Gonna buy it for me?
Gunner
mariposas rand mair fheal
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:23 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><6578a637-51a1-482f...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> > zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
> >
> >> > Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
> >> > huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
> >> >
> >> > Gunner
> >>
> >> My thoughts exactally.
> >
> >from where?
>
> From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
nonresponsive
from where?
Wolf 253
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <49i5249p1cpp2bhag...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:23 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> > <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >In article
> > ><6578a637-51a1-482f...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> > > zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> > Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
> > >> > huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
> > >> >
> > >> > Gunner
> > >>
> > >> My thoughts exactally.
> > >
> > >from where?
> >
> > From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
>
> nonresponsive
>
> from where?
>
Gummy thinks that the evul greenz and tree huggerz are stealin all his gas!
Seems like he still has plenty of it.
Gunner
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <49i5249p1cpp2bhag...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:23 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article
>> ><6578a637-51a1-482f...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>> > zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
>> >> > huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gunner
>> >>
>> >> My thoughts exactally.
>> >
>> >from where?
>>
>> From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
>
>nonresponsive
>
>from where?
Thanks for the confirmation.
Gunner
wrote:
>On Thu, 08 May 2008 02:49:00 -0700
>mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <49i5249p1cpp2bhag...@4ax.com>,
>> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:23 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> > <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >In article
>> > ><6578a637-51a1-482f...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> > Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
>> > >> > huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Gunner
>> > >>
>> > >> My thoughts exactally.
>> > >
>> > >from where?
>> >
>> > From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
>>
>> nonresponsive
>>
>> from where?
>>
>
>Gummy thinks that the evul greenz and tree huggerz are stealin all his gas!
>
Are you on drugs? You post so stupid you would have to be
>Seems like he still has plenty of it.
The Greens and environazis are facing what they wrought
No new refineries, blocking exploration and drilling means we are
dependant on foreign oil. Now they are having to pay high prices for
JetA for their private jets, and for their SUVs and so forth.
Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
Gunner
mariposas rand mair fheal
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
let me predict your further whining
if i were to ask (again) where they are supposed to get the oil from
you declare that because oil companies are not allowed to freely foul farmland
we dont know where the oil is
and therefore there must be vast reservoirs just bubbling everywhere
so because land might be more valuable used say for growing food
you can pretend theres vast amounts of unknown oil
unless we ruin the entire country to prove there aint
how many refineries in bakersfield? anything like richmond?
> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
so its clintons fault that oil production in iraq dropped after 2001?
> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
what do you think about the push to stop using lead bullets in hunting
because of the unintended consequences for apex scavengers like condors?
mariposas rand mair fheal
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 May 2008 02:49:00 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <49i5249p1cpp2bhag...@4ax.com>,
> > Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:23 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> >> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article
> >> ><6578a637-51a1-482f...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
> >> >> > huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Gunner
> >> >>
> >> >> My thoughts exactally.
> >> >
> >> >from where?
> >>
> >> From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
> >
> >nonresponsive
> >
> >from where?
>
> Thanks for the confirmation.
yes
youre still an idiot
terryc
> From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
Well, so far, you've failed to nominate any single spot where there is
known oil that could not be driled with existing technology?
Gunner
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I posted 3 links to just 3 of the very large finds inside of the US in
the last couple. Are you claiming those new finds dont exist?
Cites?
>
>so because land might be more valuable used say for growing food
>you can pretend theres vast amounts of unknown oil
>unless we ruin the entire country to prove there aint
>
>how many refineries in bakersfield? anything like richmond?
(1). There used to be 5. Environazis such as yourself blocked
rebuilding the aging ones.
>
>> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
>> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
>
>so its clintons fault that oil production in iraq dropped after 2001?
Iraq? We dont get any oil from Iraq. Never did. We get ours from
Canada, Mexico, and Venezuala.
The Japanese get most of the Iraq oil
You really ARE ignorant. And yet you spew like you think you know
something.
>
>> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
>> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
>> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
>
>what do you think about the push to stop using lead bullets in hunting
>because of the unintended consequences for apex scavengers like condors?
Its a none issue. Got any idea of the condor range? Extremely small.
Gunner
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <mpc624t6j6qotbhih...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 02:49:00 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <49i5249p1cpp2bhag...@4ax.com>,
>> > Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:23 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>> >> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article
>> >> ><6578a637-51a1-482f...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> > zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> > Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
>> >> >> > huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gunner
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My thoughts exactally.
>> >> >
>> >> >from where?
>> >>
>> >> From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
>> >
>> >nonresponsive
>> >
>> >from where?
>>
>> Thanks for the confirmation.
>
>yes
>youre still an idiot
So you claim. But thats based on the fact you dont like your fantasy
world view rocked with the truth.
Gunner
Wolf 253
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 May 2008 07:27:50 -0700, Wolf 253 <snuh...@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 08 May 2008 02:49:00 -0700
> >mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <49i5249p1cpp2bhag...@4ax.com>,
> >> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 07 May 2008 18:25:23 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
> >> > <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >In article
> >> > ><6578a637-51a1-482f...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > > zym...@rise.zzn.com wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> > Indeed. Bullets are cheap. If we had simply shot the Greens and tree
> >> > >> > huggers, we would have plenty of cheap oil today.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Gunner
> >> > >>
> >> > >> My thoughts exactally.
> >> > >
> >> > >from where?
> >> >
> >> > From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
> >>
> >> nonresponsive
> >>
> >> from where?
> >>
> >
> >Gummy thinks that the evul greenz and tree huggerz are stealin all his gas!
> >
>
> Are you on drugs? You post so stupid you would have to be
>
Shut up you fuckin alkie.
> >Seems like he still has plenty of it.
>
> The Greens and environazis are facing what they wrought
>
Greens have power over big oil?
Mheh...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803143.html?hpid=topnews
> No new refineries,
Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
> blocking exploration and drilling means we are
> dependant on foreign oil. Now they are having to pay high prices for
> JetA for their private jets, and for their SUVs and so forth.
>
Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
>
Funny how a repug controlled congress & white house cant be blamed :)
> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
>
> Gunner
>
Slap another yellow ribbon on yer suv you fucking pussy :)
Bob Brock
wrote:
Let's face it. The oil companies don't build new refineries because
it's cheaper to use the old ones that don't have to meet new EPA
requirements.
Gunner
Huh????
Gunner
Gunner
wrote:
So the druggie tells the teetotaller to shut up.
Gonna make me, dopehead?
Snicker..Im sober, your stoned, think that through before you get
froggy. I might let you live. Maybe.
Why is it that you stoners think that everyone is as mentally weak as
you are?
>
>> >Seems like he still has plenty of it.
>>
>> The Greens and environazis are facing what they wrought
>>
>Greens have power over big oil?
>Mheh...
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803143.html?hpid=topnews
This is a better link
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>
>
>> No new refineries,
>
>Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
They decide that they DONT get built
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
Interesting denial, stoner.
>
>> blocking exploration and drilling means we are
>> dependant on foreign oil. Now they are having to pay high prices for
>> JetA for their private jets, and for their SUVs and so forth.
>>
>
>Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
Typical stoner blather. Somehow you think you can mandate a change in
the laws of physics.
>
>> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
>> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
>>
>
>Funny how a repug controlled congress & white house cant be blamed :)
Indeed, considering Congress is controlled by Democrats.
>
>
>> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
>> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
>> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>Slap another yellow ribbon on yer suv you fucking pussy :)
Why not put one on Algors Gulfstream? Or Pelosis limosine?
Snicker...fucking leftard drugged up buffoon
Gunner
mariposas rand mair fheal
wrote:
> >>
> >>Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
> >>Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
> >
> >Let's face it. The oil companies don't build new refineries because
> >it's cheaper to use the old ones that don't have to meet new EPA
> >requirements.
> >
> That is correct, they can add on to old ones but not build new ones.
> Oh, well the greens can sleep well with walking to work & back.
i remember the good old days
before the epa
mariposas rand mair fheal
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> Snicker..Im sober, your stoned, think that through before you get
> froggy. I might let you live. Maybe.
thats a frightening thought
that this is the best you can with your greatest possible mental clarity
> >Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the
> >legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
>
> Typical stoner blather. Somehow you think you can mandate a change in
> the laws of physics.
maybe you should learn some physics so you know what youre talking about
much more efficient cars have been made
Ed Huntress
"mariposas rand mair fheal" <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mair_fheal-6A61A...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <ogu82418o4gk5m84m...@4ax.com>, Why <m...@juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>> >>
>> >>Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
>> >>Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
>> >
>> >Let's face it. The oil companies don't build new refineries because
>> >it's cheaper to use the old ones that don't have to meet new EPA
>> >requirements.
>> >
>> That is correct, they can add on to old ones but not build new ones.
>> Oh, well the greens can sleep well with walking to work & back.
>
> i remember the good old days
> before the epa
Me, too! I particularly remember the Delaware River. There were none of
those icky fish in it then, except for a few mutated carp. And none of that
green stuff growing on the bottom. Just nice yellow mud from shore to shore.
Of course, you had to pull aluminum boats out of the water real quick after
taking a ride, or it would eat right through their bottoms. <g>
Now we catch shad and trout there. Bio-infestations everywhere...
--
Ed Huntress
Monika Krug
> Predictions are for US$ 6/gallon gasoline within 6 to 18 months.
My pity is infinite.
Monika.
--
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infinitely more to the human race than to the particular country in
which he was born. - Francois Fenelon, theologian and writer (1651-1715)
E-mail address is valid until 4 weeks after the expiration date. Use
@arcor.de instead.
pyotr filipivich
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 09 May
2008 09:09:23 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
Is funny. The same democrats who claim to be all concerned for
the "working class" and the "Poor", are the same ones who have done
their best for the last forty years, to make sure that the working
class and poor get the shaft. Having restricted the production and
refining of petroleum in this country, now the Democrats bring forth a
plan to solve higher prices by increasing taxes, and confiscating the
earnings of oil companies above a level to be determined by a bunch of
economical illiterates
Price of gas too high? then let us drill for more off the Florida,
California and Gulf coasts. But the Democrats don't want that to
happen, they'd rather export the pollution to the third world.
Same goes for drilling of oil on the Alaskan north slope.
But the Democrats don't like either of those ideas, so they should
just shut up, and walk.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much
as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History".
Cliff
> Predictions are for US$ 6/gallon gasoline within 6 to 18 months.
> Or worse.
> The neocons win another one.
Crude oil finished up $2.27 to $125.96 per barrel ..
--
Cliff
Jeff McCann
> [Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Fri, 09 May
> 2008 09:09:23 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:43:16 +1000, terryc
>> <newssixs...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 02:34:59 -0700, Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>>> From the Real World, and not that Twilight Zone you post from.
>>> Well, so far, you've failed to nominate any single spot where there is
>>> known oil that could not be driled with existing technology?
>>
>> Huh????
>>
>> Gunner
>
> Is funny. The same democrats who claim to be all concerned for
> the "working class" and the "Poor", are the same ones who have done
> their best for the last forty years, to make sure that the working
> class and poor get the shaft. Having restricted the production and
> refining of petroleum in this country, now the Democrats bring forth a
> plan to solve higher prices by increasing taxes, and confiscating the
> earnings of oil companies above a level to be determined by a bunch of
> economical illiterates
>
> Price of gas too high? then let us drill for more off the Florida,
> California and Gulf coasts. But the Democrats don't want that to
> happen, they'd rather export the pollution to the third world.
> Same goes for drilling of oil on the Alaskan north slope.
The last two Florida governors, both Republicans, along with the
Republican-dominated state legislature, opposed drilling off the Florida
coast, as did for Florida's major business leaders in the tourism
industry. Moreover, the leaders of the five largest oil companies
recently testified to Congress that they don't want or need any new
refineries.
Jeff
Strabo
The Democrat 'leaders', Gore, Pelosi, Boxer, Kennedy, Feinstein, and
others, are are multi-millionaires and heavily involved in oil
production.
Just another example of why labels are misleading.
Wolf 253
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
So you claim to be on the wagon yet?
Dont miss any more AA meetings, dRuNk4rD.
> Gonna make me, dopehead?
>
Make you what? Look stupid?
CONSIDER IT DONE!
:)
> Snicker..Im sober, your stoned, think that through before you get
> froggy. I might let you live. Maybe.
>
Death threat? Wowzers!
> Why is it that you stoners think that everyone is as mentally weak as
> you are?
>
I dont think everyone is as mentally weak as you.
You're in a league by yourself :)
> >> >Seems like he still has plenty of it.
> >>
> >> The Greens and environazis are facing what they wrought
> >>
> >Greens have power over big oil?
> >Mheh...
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803143.html?hpid=topnews
>
> This is a better link
>
> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>
Author has ties to Ayn Rand institute.
Shilling for Big Oil now, gummy?
> >
> >
> >> No new refineries,
> >
> >Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
>
> They decide that they DONT get built
>
> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>
Why would Big Oil want lower prices, k00k?
> >Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
>
> Interesting denial, stoner.
>
Compared to your screed, I agree :)
> >> blocking exploration and drilling means we are
> >> dependant on foreign oil. Now they are having to pay high prices for
> >> JetA for their private jets, and for their SUVs and so forth.
> >>
> >
> >Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
>
> Typical stoner blather. Somehow you think you can mandate a change in
> the laws of physics.
>
Explain why auto makers would want to re-tool their industry and invest in new technologies.
:)
> >> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
> >> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
> >>
> >
> >Funny how a repug controlled congress & white house cant be blamed :)
>
> Indeed, considering Congress is controlled by Democrats.
>
Ever since Bush took office?
Do tell.
> >
> >> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
> >> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
> >> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
> >>
> >> Gunner
> >>
> >Slap another yellow ribbon on yer suv you fucking pussy :)
>
> Why not put one on Algors Gulfstream? Or Pelosis limosine?
>
> Snicker...fucking leftard drugged up buffoon
>
> Gunner
>
Enjoy giving your aSS pennies to Big Oil, pussy.
--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/republicans-vote-against-mothers-day/
Wolf 253
Why would big oil want to increase the supply and lower the price?
:)
--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/republicans-vote-against-mothers-day/
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
> Is funny. The same democrats who claim to be all concerned for
> the "working class" and the "Poor", are the same ones who have done
> their best for the last forty years, to make sure that the working
> class and poor get the shaft. Having restricted the production and
> refining of petroleum in this country,
Wasn't it Nixon who created the EPA?
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
> The last two Florida governors, both Republicans, along with the
> Republican-dominated state legislature, opposed drilling off the Florida
> coast, as did for Florida's major business leaders in the tourism
> industry.
Those Damn Liberals are all Socialists! They want Big Nanny State
Government to tell the poor oil companies what they can and cannot do!
We need a Regime Change!
Oh wait...
Moreover, the leaders of the five largest oil companies
> recently testified to Congress that they don't want or need any new
> refineries.
Never mind...
Gunner
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <me0924h8blfa4o8rc...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> Snicker..Im sober, your stoned, think that through before you get
>> froggy. I might let you live. Maybe.
>
>thats a frightening thought
>that this is the best you can with your greatest possible mental clarity
Giving the piece of shit a warning is somehow not clear?
>
>
>> >Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the
>> >legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
>>
>> Typical stoner blather. Somehow you think you can mandate a change in
>> the laws of physics.
>
>maybe you should learn some physics so you know what youre talking about
>much more efficient cars have been made
Nice attempt, but didnt work.
Gunner
wrote:
Snicker..Ive never had a problem, and simply dont drink as Ive seen
too many drunks in my lifetime. Thats the same reason I dont do drugs
either. You reaffirm my belief everytime you post.
>
>
>> Gonna make me, dopehead?
>>
>Make you what? Look stupid?
>CONSIDER IT DONE!
Stupid was telling me to shutup. I see your mental processes are even
worse shape than Id thought.
>:)
>
>> Snicker..Im sober, your stoned, think that through before you get
>> froggy. I might let you live. Maybe.
>>
>Death threat? Wowzers!
What part of responding to you "getting froggy" was a death threat?
You stoners are really amusing.
>
>
>> Why is it that you stoners think that everyone is as mentally weak as
>> you are?
>>
>I dont think everyone is as mentally weak as you.
>You're in a league by yourself :)
Thats what all the stoners say. They see things differently than
everyone else.
>
>
>
>> >> >Seems like he still has plenty of it.
>> >>
>> >> The Greens and environazis are facing what they wrought
>> >>
>> >Greens have power over big oil?
>> >Mheh...
>> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803143.html?hpid=topnews
>>
>> This is a better link
>>
>> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>>
>Author has ties to Ayn Rand institute.
>Shilling for Big Oil now, gummy?
Really dug for that one eh? Gonna kill the message because of some
grand conspiracy theory about the messenger?
Typical tweaker paranoia.
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >> No new refineries,
>> >
>> >Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
>>
>> They decide that they DONT get built
>>
>> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>>
>Why would Big Oil want lower prices, k00k?
Because they get to sell more oil at lower prices.
>
>
>> >Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
>>
>> Interesting denial, stoner.
>>
>Compared to your screed, I agree :)
Typical stoner mentality.
>
>> >> blocking exploration and drilling means we are
>> >> dependant on foreign oil. Now they are having to pay high prices for
>> >> JetA for their private jets, and for their SUVs and so forth.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
>>
>> Typical stoner blather. Somehow you think you can mandate a change in
>> the laws of physics.
>>
>Explain why auto makers would want to re-tool their industry and invest in new technologies.
Go ahead, dopehead, tell us.
>:)
>
>> >> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
>> >> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Funny how a repug controlled congress & white house cant be blamed :)
>>
>> Indeed, considering Congress is controlled by Democrats.
>>
>Ever since Bush took office?
For the last 40 yrs, with a short period in the mid 90s, and of course
since about 2004
>Do tell.
I just did. Seems the DemonRats are worthless.
>
>
>
>> >
>> >> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
>> >> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
>> >> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
>> >>
>> >> Gunner
>> >>
>> >Slap another yellow ribbon on yer suv you fucking pussy :)
>>
>> Why not put one on Algors Gulfstream? Or Pelosis limosine?
>>
>> Snicker...fucking leftard drugged up buffoon
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>Enjoy giving your aSS pennies to Big Oil, pussy.
Enjoy giving your ass pennies to mexican drug dealers, tweaker.
Gunner
Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:
Let me interject some real world reality here.
The company I worked for in Indonesia operated four different
production areas for Atlantic Richfield Indonesia for probably a total
of ten years. During that time I never saw ARCO choke a well (limit
production).
In fact, even when we requested a slow down in flow rate on one or two
wells they refused. I well remember the Assistant Production Manager
saying, to me, "YOU MEAN YOU WANT ME TO CALL CALIFORNIA AND TELL THEM
THAT WE ARE REDUCING PRODUCTION?" Which I interpreted to mean he
didn't want to do that.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
Wolf 253
One example serves as the measure of all possible contingencies?
> The company I worked for in Indonesia operated four different
> production areas for Atlantic Richfield Indonesia for probably a total
> of ten years. During that time I never saw ARCO choke a well (limit
> production).
>
Your personal anecdotal evidence is noted.
Your sample size is however too small to indicate industry-wide trends.
> In fact, even when we requested a slow down in flow rate on one or two
> wells they refused. I well remember the Assistant Production Manager
> saying, to me, "YOU MEAN YOU WANT ME TO CALL CALIFORNIA AND TELL THEM
> THAT WE ARE REDUCING PRODUCTION?" Which I interpreted to mean he
> didn't want to do that.
>
Fascinating.
Wolf 253
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
You drink
You fall down
No problem
> and simply dont drink as Ive seen
> too many drunks in my lifetime. Thats the same reason I dont do drugs
> either. You reaffirm my belief everytime you post.
>
I'm Rush Limbaugh now?
> >
> >> Gonna make me, dopehead?
> >>
> >Make you what? Look stupid?
> >CONSIDER IT DONE!
>
> Stupid was telling me to shutup. I see your mental processes are even
> worse shape than Id thought.
You're the k00k who thinks that Big Oil wants to reduce its prices, just to be nice.
> >:)
> >
> >> Snicker..Im sober, your stoned, think that through before you get
> >> froggy. I might let you live. Maybe.
> >>
> >Death threat? Wowzers!
>
> What part of responding to you "getting froggy" was a death threat?
>
"I might let you live".
Sounds like a usenet pussy thing to say, pussy.
> You stoners are really amusing.
>
You wingnuts are pathetic :)
> >
> >> Why is it that you stoners think that everyone is as mentally weak as
> >> you are?
> >>
> >I dont think everyone is as mentally weak as you.
> >You're in a league by yourself :)
>
> Thats what all the stoners say. They see things differently than
> everyone else.
>
Reality based thought is alien to Gummy.
Noted and mocked.
> >
> >
> >> >> >Seems like he still has plenty of it.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Greens and environazis are facing what they wrought
> >> >>
> >> >Greens have power over big oil?
> >> >Mheh...
> >> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803143.html?hpid=topnews
> >>
> >> This is a better link
> >>
> >> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
> >>
> >Author has ties to Ayn Rand institute.
> >Shilling for Big Oil now, gummy?
>
> Really dug for that one eh? Gonna kill the message because of some
> grand conspiracy theory about the messenger?
>
You read his bonafides, bitch?
G00gle links him to the Ayn Rand institute, not me.
> Typical tweaker paranoia.
>
Typical winger cowardice.
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> No new refineries,
> >> >
> >> >Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
> >>
> >> They decide that they DONT get built
> >>
> >> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
> >>
> >Why would Big Oil want lower prices, k00k?
>
> Because they get to sell more oil at lower prices.
>
Oil gets sold regardless you fucking l00n.
Its an intrinsic part of the economy.
> >
> >> >Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
> >>
> >> Interesting denial, stoner.
> >>
> >Compared to your screed, I agree :)
>
> Typical stoner mentality.
>
Typical winger lack of mental capacity.
> >> >> blocking exploration and drilling means we are
> >> >> dependant on foreign oil. Now they are having to pay high prices for
> >> >> JetA for their private jets, and for their SUVs and so forth.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
> >>
> >> Typical stoner blather. Somehow you think you can mandate a change in
> >> the laws of physics.
> >>
> >Explain why auto makers would want to re-tool their industry and invest in new technologies.
>
> Go ahead, dopehead, tell us.
It was a retorical question you fucking moron.
Failure to see it as such noted.
> >:)
> >
> >> >> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
> >> >> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Funny how a repug controlled congress & white house cant be blamed :)
> >>
> >> Indeed, considering Congress is controlled by Democrats.
> >>
> >Ever since Bush took office?
>
> For the last 40 yrs, with a short period in the mid 90s, and of course
> since about 2004
>
Liar. Congress was repug dominated until the last election. The people threw the criminals out.
>
> >Do tell.
>
> I just did. Seems the DemonRats are worthless.
>
Wah!
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> >> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
> >> >> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
> >> >> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
> >> >>
> >> >> Gunner
> >> >>
> >> >Slap another yellow ribbon on yer suv you fucking pussy :)
> >>
> >> Why not put one on Algors Gulfstream? Or Pelosis limosine?
> >>
> >> Snicker...fucking leftard drugged up buffoon
> >>
> >> Gunner
> >>
> >Enjoy giving your aSS pennies to Big Oil, pussy.
>
> Enjoy giving your ass pennies to mexican drug dealers, tweaker.
>
Enjoy giving your aSS pennies to illegal alien hookers, coward.
Gunner
wrote:
Thats what Ive heard.
>
>> and simply dont drink as Ive seen
>> too many drunks in my lifetime. Thats the same reason I dont do drugs
>> either. You reaffirm my belief everytime you post.
>>
>
>I'm Rush Limbaugh now?
No. Rush is smart.
And he admitted his problem.
>
>
>> >
>> >> Gonna make me, dopehead?
>> >>
>> >Make you what? Look stupid?
>> >CONSIDER IT DONE!
>>
>> Stupid was telling me to shutup. I see your mental processes are even
>> worse shape than Id thought.
>
>You're the k00k who thinks that Big Oil wants to reduce its prices, just to be nice.
To sell more oil.
>
>
>
>> >:)
>> >
>> >> Snicker..Im sober, your stoned, think that through before you get
>> >> froggy. I might let you live. Maybe.
>> >>
>> >Death threat? Wowzers!
>>
>> What part of responding to you "getting froggy" was a death threat?
>>
>"I might let you live".
>Sounds like a usenet pussy thing to say, pussy.
Bring it on badass.
>
>
>> You stoners are really amusing.
>>
>You wingnuts are pathetic :)
So are you leftwingnuts. Particularly the dopers like you.
>
>
>> >
>> >> Why is it that you stoners think that everyone is as mentally weak as
>> >> you are?
>> >>
>> >I dont think everyone is as mentally weak as you.
>> >You're in a league by yourself :)
>>
>> Thats what all the stoners say. They see things differently than
>> everyone else.
>>
>
>Reality based thought is alien to Gummy.
>Noted and mocked.
Yes indeed. Having a conversation with the wallpaper is "reality" eh
stoner?
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >> >> >Seems like he still has plenty of it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Greens and environazis are facing what they wrought
>> >> >>
>> >> >Greens have power over big oil?
>> >> >Mheh...
>> >> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803143.html?hpid=topnews
>> >>
>> >> This is a better link
>> >>
>> >> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>> >>
>> >Author has ties to Ayn Rand institute.
>> >Shilling for Big Oil now, gummy?
>>
>> Really dug for that one eh? Gonna kill the message because of some
>> grand conspiracy theory about the messenger?
>>
>You read his bonafides, bitch?
>G00gle links him to the Ayn Rand institute, not me.
So I was correct.
>
>
>
>> Typical tweaker paranoia.
>>
>
>Typical winger cowardice.
Indeed. Leftwinger cowardice.
>
>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> No new refineries,
>> >> >
>> >> >Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
>> >>
>> >> They decide that they DONT get built
>> >>
>> >> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>> >>
>> >Why would Big Oil want lower prices, k00k?
>>
>> Because they get to sell more oil at lower prices.
>>
>
>Oil gets sold regardless you fucking l00n.
>Its an intrinsic part of the economy.
Not when people stop driving SUVs
>
>
>> >
>> >> >Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting denial, stoner.
>> >>
>> >Compared to your screed, I agree :)
>>
>> Typical stoner mentality.
>>
>
>Typical winger lack of mental capacity.
Again I agree, leftwinger. A good first step on your road to recovery.
>
>
>> >> >> blocking exploration and drilling means we are
>> >> >> dependant on foreign oil. Now they are having to pay high prices for
>> >> >> JetA for their private jets, and for their SUVs and so forth.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
>> >>
>> >> Typical stoner blather. Somehow you think you can mandate a change in
>> >> the laws of physics.
>> >>
>> >Explain why auto makers would want to re-tool their industry and invest in new technologies.
>>
>> Go ahead, dopehead, tell us.
>
>It was a retorical question you fucking moron.
>Failure to see it as such noted.
Mine wasnt a retorical question. Inability to answer is noted.
>
>
>> >:)
>> >
>> >> >> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
>> >> >> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Funny how a repug controlled congress & white house cant be blamed :)
>> >>
>> >> Indeed, considering Congress is controlled by Democrats.
>> >>
>> >Ever since Bush took office?
>>
>> For the last 40 yrs, with a short period in the mid 90s, and of course
>> since about 2004
>>
>Liar. Congress was repug dominated until the last election. The people threw the criminals out.
Yep, they threw em out in 1994
>
>
>>
>> >Do tell.
>>
>> I just did. Seems the DemonRats are worthless.
>>
>Wah!
You should cry, in shame that you hitched your wagon to a bunch of
utter buffoons.
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
>> >> >> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
>> >> >> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gunner
>> >> >>
>> >> >Slap another yellow ribbon on yer suv you fucking pussy :)
>> >>
>> >> Why not put one on Algors Gulfstream? Or Pelosis limosine?
>> >>
>> >> Snicker...fucking leftard drugged up buffoon
>> >>
>> >> Gunner
>> >>
>> >Enjoy giving your aSS pennies to Big Oil, pussy.
>>
>> Enjoy giving your ass pennies to mexican drug dealers, tweaker.
>>
>Enjoy giving your aSS pennies to illegal alien hookers, coward.
Ive never paid for pussy in my life. Been a bunch of times it would
have been far cheaper to have done so....when you figure in drinks,
dinner, movie etc etc..much cheaper to have rented.
Now about you renting your ass to illegal aliens.......
Gunner
Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:
At the time ARCO was producing nearly half of the oil in Indonesia -
you consider that a "too small" example?
Or, you realize that your comment "Why would big oil want to increase
the supply and lower the price?" is simply the rambling of an
uninformed fool and are trying to "cover your ass" as the jargon has
it?
>
>> In fact, even when we requested a slow down in flow rate on one or two
>> wells they refused. I well remember the Assistant Production Manager
>> saying, to me, "YOU MEAN YOU WANT ME TO CALL CALIFORNIA AND TELL THEM
>> THAT WE ARE REDUCING PRODUCTION?" Which I interpreted to mean he
>> didn't want to do that.
>>
>
>Fascinating.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
cavelamb himself
Gunner
wrote:
I see you have never been in or around the oil fields. Pity.
>
>
>> The company I worked for in Indonesia operated four different
>> production areas for Atlantic Richfield Indonesia for probably a total
>> of ten years. During that time I never saw ARCO choke a well (limit
>> production).
>>
>
>Your personal anecdotal evidence is noted.
>Your sample size is however too small to indicate industry-wide trends.
You really need to get your dead ass out of your moms basement and go
work a year in the oil fields. Id be happy to get you a gig on a work
over rig out in Bakersfield. DONT bring your good clothes.
>
>
>> In fact, even when we requested a slow down in flow rate on one or two
>> wells they refused. I well remember the Assistant Production Manager
>> saying, to me, "YOU MEAN YOU WANT ME TO CALL CALIFORNIA AND TELL THEM
>> THAT WE ARE REDUCING PRODUCTION?" Which I interpreted to mean he
>> didn't want to do that.
>>
>
>Fascinating.
And quite true. Most guys above brake weight consider their jobs a
sacred trust and their industry a public utility. The oil MUST flow!
You seem to forget..that they and their families need gas, oil and
electricity too.
Gunner
Cliff
>>if i were to ask (again) where they are supposed to get the oil from
>>you declare that because oil companies are not allowed to freely foul farmland
>>we dont know where the oil is
>>and therefore there must be vast reservoirs just bubbling everywhere
>
>I posted 3 links to just 3 of the very large finds inside of the US in
>the last couple.
Any such are small compared to demand.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
>>> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
>>
>>so its clintons fault that oil production in iraq dropped after 2001?
>
>Iraq? We dont get any oil from Iraq. Never did. We get ours from
>Canada, Mexico, and Venezuala.
CLUE: It's a world market.
>The Japanese get most of the Iraq oil
Just as they would from Alsaka, right?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
>>> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
>>> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
>>
>>what do you think about the push to stop using lead bullets in hunting
>>because of the unintended consequences for apex scavengers like condors?
>
>Its a none issue. Got any idea of the condor range? Extremely small.
http://www.galeschools.com/images/environment/condor_range.gif
All of the US West coast, Northern Mexico, East to Texas ... northern
Florida ...
How "extremely small" is that, exactly?
For those few remaining birds.
More birds might have a wider range, eh?
--
Cliff
Cliff
Limiting the production rate increases the total oil
production over time.
You get more total oil out; just takes a bit longer.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>> >> No new refineries,
>>> >
>>> >Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
>>>
>>> They decide that they DONT get built
>>>
>>> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
>>>
>>Why would Big Oil want lower prices, k00k?
>
>Because they get to sell more oil at lower prices.
You would just buy more to burn?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>>I'm Rush Limbaugh now?
>
>No. Rush is smart.
>And he admitted his problem.
He *got caught*.
Pretty dumb.
BTW, he missed out on Vietnam exactly why?
--
Cliff
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 08:57:03 -0700, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>I'm Rush Limbaugh now?
>>
>>No. Rush is smart.
Arguable but irrelevant since he's an asshole.
>>And he admitted his problem.
>>
> He *got caught*.
> Pretty dumb.
Precisely.
> BTW, he missed out on Vietnam exactly why?
Because he had an ingrown hair on his ass.
Seriously. The chief hatemonger/chickenhawk avoided Vietnam with an
ingrowon ass hair.
Seriously.
And this is the freak that Republicans praise and hold holy.
-- Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I Love Republicans, They Taste Just Like Chickenhawks
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Curly Surmudgeon
> No. Rush is smart.
> And he admitted his problem.
Lie by misdirection.
While Rush was demanding the death sentence for drug users he, himself,
was not only addicted but using a foreign-born cleaning lady to score his
prescription drugs, forging prescriptions and doctor-shopping for more.
Rush only admitted his "problem" when he got caught.
This is a good example of why you're widely considered a liar.
mariposas rand mair fheal
Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 02:34:32 -0700, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
> >>> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
> >>> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
> >>
> >>what do you think about the push to stop using lead bullets in hunting
> >>because of the unintended consequences for apex scavengers like condors?
> >
> >Its a none issue. Got any idea of the condor range? Extremely small.
>
> http://www.galeschools.com/images/environment/condor_range.gif
> All of the US West coast, Northern Mexico, East to Texas ... northern
the question isnt the condor range
thats a diversion because gunner got snagged in his own rhetoric again
pyotr filipivich
2008 08:57:03 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>
>>> >Make you what? Look stupid?
>>> >CONSIDER IT DONE!
>>>
>>> Stupid was telling me to shutup. I see your mental processes are even
>>> worse shape than Id thought.
>>
>>You're the k00k who thinks that Big Oil wants to reduce its prices, just to be nice.
>
>To sell more oil.
Democrats seem to be of the mind set that it is better to get 50%
of a one pound pie, than 33% of a two pound pie.
HP had a radio ad for their printers, and the first guy talking
had a marvelous printer, for only 1 million dollars. "After that,
it's all profit." The other guy, HP, say he'll sell their's for $99"
"Where's the money in that?" says the first guy. "Well make it up in
volume."
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
Gunner
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <42oe24pilnn1tp715...@4ax.com>,
> Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 02:34:32 -0700, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
>> >>> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
>> >>> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
>> >>
>> >>what do you think about the push to stop using lead bullets in hunting
>> >>because of the unintended consequences for apex scavengers like condors?
>> >
>> >Its a none issue. Got any idea of the condor range? Extremely small.
>>
>> http://www.galeschools.com/images/environment/condor_range.gif
>> All of the US West coast, Northern Mexico, East to Texas ... northern
>
>the question isnt the condor range
>thats a diversion because gunner got snagged in his own rhetoric again
Of course its a diversion on your part. It usually is
Condors are exceptionally rare in the US..so the "range" the article
claims is highly bogus.
Gunner
Wolf 253
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
One has to see an oil field to understand the economics of supply and demand?
Do tell!
> >
> >> The company I worked for in Indonesia operated four different
> >> production areas for Atlantic Richfield Indonesia for probably a total
> >> of ten years. During that time I never saw ARCO choke a well (limit
> >> production).
> >>
> >
> >Your personal anecdotal evidence is noted.
> >Your sample size is however too small to indicate industry-wide trends.
>
> You really need to get your dead ass out of your moms basement and go
> work a year in the oil fields. Id be happy to get you a gig on a work
> over rig out in Bakersfield. DONT bring your good clothes.
>
Why invest in yesterdays technology?
> >
> >> In fact, even when we requested a slow down in flow rate on one or two
> >> wells they refused. I well remember the Assistant Production Manager
> >> saying, to me, "YOU MEAN YOU WANT ME TO CALL CALIFORNIA AND TELL THEM
> >> THAT WE ARE REDUCING PRODUCTION?" Which I interpreted to mean he
> >> didn't want to do that.
> >>
> >
> >Fascinating.
>
> And quite true. Most guys above brake weight consider their jobs a
> sacred trust and their industry a public utility. The oil MUST flow!
>
Yer an idiot.
> You seem to forget..that they and their families need gas, oil and
> electricity too.
>
What if they stop driving their SUV's!??!?!
Wolf 253
Wolf 253
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
So you have to rely on second hand accounts due to the blackouts?
Yikes!
> >
> >> and simply dont drink as Ive seen
> >> too many drunks in my lifetime. Thats the same reason I dont do drugs
> >> either. You reaffirm my belief everytime you post.
> >>
> >
> >I'm Rush Limbaugh now?
>
> No. Rush is smart.
> And he admitted his problem.
>
His problem was he isnt smart.
Sounds unresolved.
> >
> >> >
> >> >> Gonna make me, dopehead?
> >> >>
> >> >Make you what? Look stupid?
> >> >CONSIDER IT DONE!
> >>
> >> Stupid was telling me to shutup. I see your mental processes are even
> >> worse shape than Id thought.
> >
> >You're the k00k who thinks that Big Oil wants to reduce its prices, just to be nice.
>
> To sell more oil.
>
Then why dont they?
:)
> >
> >
> >> >:)
> >> >
> >> >> Snicker..Im sober, your stoned, think that through before you get
> >> >> froggy. I might let you live. Maybe.
> >> >>
> >> >Death threat? Wowzers!
> >>
> >> What part of responding to you "getting froggy" was a death threat?
> >>
> >"I might let you live".
> >Sounds like a usenet pussy thing to say, pussy.
>
> Bring it on badass.
>
You made the threat pussy, the onus is on you.
> >
> >> You stoners are really amusing.
> >>
> >You wingnuts are pathetic :)
>
> So are you leftwingnuts. Particularly the dopers like you.
>
You have to steal the idea since you can come up with anything
on your own can you, repug?
> >
> >> >
> >> >> Why is it that you stoners think that everyone is as mentally weak as
> >> >> you are?
> >> >>
> >> >I dont think everyone is as mentally weak as you.
> >> >You're in a league by yourself :)
> >>
> >> Thats what all the stoners say. They see things differently than
> >> everyone else.
> >>
> >
> >Reality based thought is alien to Gummy.
> >Noted and mocked.
>
> Yes indeed.
So you admit that you avoid reality-based thought?
Why?
> Having a conversation with the wallpaper is "reality" eh
> stoner?
>
Not to me. Maybe you could tell us what the wallpaper says to you?
:)
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >> >Seems like he still has plenty of it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The Greens and environazis are facing what they wrought
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Greens have power over big oil?
> >> >> >Mheh...
> >> >> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/08/AR2008050803143.html?hpid=topnews
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a better link
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
> >> >>
> >> >Author has ties to Ayn Rand institute.
> >> >Shilling for Big Oil now, gummy?
> >>
> >> Really dug for that one eh? Gonna kill the message because of some
> >> grand conspiracy theory about the messenger?
> >>
> >You read his bonafides, bitch?
> >G00gle links him to the Ayn Rand institute, not me.
>
> So I was correct.
>
Ayn Rand is now a neutral source?
> >
> >
> >> Typical tweaker paranoia.
> >>
> >
> >Typical winger cowardice.
>
> Indeed. Leftwinger cowardice.
>
When you gonna make good on yer threat, pussy?
:)
> >
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> No new refineries,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
> >> >>
> >> >> They decide that they DONT get built
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
> >> >>
> >> >Why would Big Oil want lower prices, k00k?
> >>
> >> Because they get to sell more oil at lower prices.
> >>
> >
> >Oil gets sold regardless you fucking l00n.
> >Its an intrinsic part of the economy.
>
> Not when people stop driving SUVs
>
Because when SUVs are outlawed only outlaws will drive SUV's?
Hmmm...
> >
> >> >
> >> >> >Nice conspiracy theory, k00k.
> >> >>
> >> >> Interesting denial, stoner.
> >> >>
> >> >Compared to your screed, I agree :)
> >>
> >> Typical stoner mentality.
> >>
> >
> >Typical winger lack of mental capacity.
>
> Again I agree, leftwinger. A good first step on your road to recovery.
>
Sounds like you're familiar with the 12 step program.
When was your last drink, aLkiE?
> >
> >> >> >> blocking exploration and drilling means we are
> >> >> >> dependant on foreign oil. Now they are having to pay high prices for
> >> >> >> JetA for their private jets, and for their SUVs and so forth.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Auto industries with help of repug congress & white house blocked the legislation to force higher MPG rules on car makers, bitch.
> >> >>
> >> >> Typical stoner blather. Somehow you think you can mandate a change in
> >> >> the laws of physics.
> >> >>
> >> >Explain why auto makers would want to re-tool their industry and invest in new technologies.
> >>
> >> Go ahead, dopehead, tell us.
> >
> >It was a retorical question you fucking moron.
> >Failure to see it as such noted.
>
> Mine wasnt a retorical question. Inability to answer is noted.
>
You obviously dont know wtf "retorical" means do you, Gummy?
> >
> >> >:)
> >> >
> >> >> >> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
> >> >> >> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Funny how a repug controlled congress & white house cant be blamed :)
> >> >>
> >> >> Indeed, considering Congress is controlled by Democrats.
> >> >>
> >> >Ever since Bush took office?
> >>
> >> For the last 40 yrs, with a short period in the mid 90s, and of course
> >> since about 2004
> >>
> >Liar. Congress was repug dominated until the last election. The people threw the criminals out.
>
> Yep, they threw em out in 1994
>
So you admit that it was repug controlled?
Care to shoot your self in the other foot, pinhead?
> >
> >>
> >> >Do tell.
> >>
> >> I just did. Seems the DemonRats are worthless.
> >>
> >Wah!
>
> You should cry, in shame that you hitched your wagon to a bunch of
> utter buffoons.
>
Ive never supported repugs, dimmy.
> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
> >> >> >> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
> >> >> >> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Gunner
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Slap another yellow ribbon on yer suv you fucking pussy :)
> >> >>
> >> >> Why not put one on Algors Gulfstream? Or Pelosis limosine?
> >> >>
> >> >> Snicker...fucking leftard drugged up buffoon
> >> >>
> >> >> Gunner
> >> >>
> >> >Enjoy giving your aSS pennies to Big Oil, pussy.
> >>
> >> Enjoy giving your ass pennies to mexican drug dealers, tweaker.
> >>
> >Enjoy giving your aSS pennies to illegal alien hookers, coward.
>
> Ive never paid for pussy in my life.
You threaten to kill them and they run off, sure.
Goes perfectly with your stories of "gook ears" you have as souvineers.
> Been a bunch of times it would
> have been far cheaper to have done so....when you figure in drinks,
> dinner, movie etc etc..much cheaper to have rented.
>
Escorts wouldnt oblige you, k00k.
> Now about you renting your ass to illegal aliens.......
>
Keep me out of your sick fantasies, Gummy.
Wolf 253
Times change, Brucie.
This is relevant to todays situation how?
> Or, you realize that your comment "Why would big oil want to increase
> the supply and lower the price?" is simply the rambling of an
> uninformed fool and are trying to "cover your ass" as the jargon has
> it?
>
Why is the price still high, Brucie?
--
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/84693/
Gunner
wrote:
One has to WORK in the oil field to understand the world view of the
oil companies. Now I know that Work is a foreign concept to
you..but...
>
>> >
>> >> The company I worked for in Indonesia operated four different
>> >> production areas for Atlantic Richfield Indonesia for probably a total
>> >> of ten years. During that time I never saw ARCO choke a well (limit
>> >> production).
>> >>
>> >
>> >Your personal anecdotal evidence is noted.
>> >Your sample size is however too small to indicate industry-wide trends.
>>
>> You really need to get your dead ass out of your moms basement and go
>> work a year in the oil fields. Id be happy to get you a gig on a work
>> over rig out in Bakersfield. DONT bring your good clothes.
>>
>Why invest in yesterdays technology?
So you wont leave your mom's basement then, correct?
>
>
>> >
>> >> In fact, even when we requested a slow down in flow rate on one or two
>> >> wells they refused. I well remember the Assistant Production Manager
>> >> saying, to me, "YOU MEAN YOU WANT ME TO CALL CALIFORNIA AND TELL THEM
>> >> THAT WE ARE REDUCING PRODUCTION?" Which I interpreted to mean he
>> >> didn't want to do that.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Fascinating.
>>
>> And quite true. Most guys above brake weight consider their jobs a
>> sacred trust and their industry a public utility. The oil MUST flow!
>>
>Yer an idiot.
Coming from someone who knows zip shit about the oil business..thats a
funny comment from you.
>
>> You seem to forget..that they and their families need gas, oil and
>> electricity too.
>>
>
>What if they stop driving their SUV's!??!?!
Most drive pickup trucks. SUVs are more commonly found amoung
Democrats , along with limos and private multi engine aircraft.
Again your ignorance transcends buffoonery.
Gunner
Gunner
wrote:
>On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:20:49 -0400
Yours appears to be non-existant.
Gunner
wrote:
>
>> Or, you realize that your comment "Why would big oil want to increase
>> the supply and lower the price?" is simply the rambling of an
>> uninformed fool and are trying to "cover your ass" as the jargon has
>> it?
>>
>
>Why is the price still high, Brucie?
Wall St. Take it up with the commodities traders.
Gunner
mariposas rand mair fheal
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
form someone who thinks a company maximizes profits by maximizing sales?
LeapcliffDlemma
"mariposas rand mair fheal" <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mair_fheal-13B3C...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> if i were to ask (again) where they are supposed to get the oil from
> you declare that because oil companies are not allowed to freely foul
> farmland
> we dont know where the oil is
> and therefore there must be vast reservoirs just bubbling everywhere
> you can pretend theres vast amounts of unknown oil
> unless we ruin the entire country to prove there aint
You IDIOT-
We KNOW where there are vast ammounts of oil.
First- how can you "ruin" a block of ice that melts in summer and freezes in
winter. It's a place where 99.99999% of the world's population will never
see. Why? Because it's dark 6 months a year and a freezzing, lifeless, flat
no man's land in the summer.
Anwar
or how about-
You drill a well 50 miles off the coast of Florida or California. You know
what you'll see if you stand on the beach? Nothing. It's over the horizon.
You know what happens if you take a fishing boat out to it? Fish... lots of
fish. It provides a habitat for a whole eco system.
Environmentalists along with the democrat party don't want us to drive.
When gas gets to ten dollars a gallon, they can acheive their purpose. This
is who you people are electing.
> how many refineries in bakersfield? anything like richmond?
No , we wouldn't want that. People would get good paying jobs.
>> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
>> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
We're short on oil(dimwits, look up the laws of supply and demand)
> so its clintons fault that oil production in iraq dropped after 2001?
Fuck Iraq- It will be ten years to get their oil industry on track (AlQeida
keeps blowing shit up)
More later,
IKE (D'Lemma doesn't do political)
and P.S. Farmland only produces food if you don't make gasoline out of it
r_c_...@hushmail.com
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:37:45 -0700, mariposas rand mair fheal
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article <42oe24pilnn1tp715une79338kcbnpo...@4ax.com>,
> > Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 09 May 2008 02:34:32 -0700, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >>> Fascinating that leftards always run away from the unintended
> >> >>> consequences of their agendas, when it comes back to bite them.
> >> >>> Thats why "feelgoodism" is a really lousy way to view the world.
>
> >> >>what do you think about the push to stop using lead bullets in hunting
> >> >>because of the unintended consequences for apex scavengers like condors?
>
> >> >Its a none issue. Got any idea of the condor range? Extremely small.
>
> >> http://www.galeschools.com/images/environment/condor_range.gif
> >> All of the US West coast, Northern Mexico, East to Texas ... northern
>
> >the question isnt the condor range
> >thats a diversion because gunner got snagged in his own rhetoric again
>
> Of course its a diversion on your part. It usually is
>
> Condors are exceptionally rare in the US..so the "range" the article
> claims is highly bogus.
There are two ranges noted in the reference above. The larger one
mentioned by Cliff was for the Pleistocene epoch (1,808,000 to 11,550
years ago). The range greatly contracted during the Holocene epoch
(following the Pleistocene to the present). At one point, there were
only 22 condors left. Thanks to a captive breeding program, there are
now about 300 of the birds (some reintroduced to the wild, some
captive).
>
> Gunner
>
>
>
>
>
> >arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
> >from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
> >sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
> >or a babys arm holding an apple- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
mariposas rand mair fheal
"LeapcliffDlemma" <Leap...@lemmings.com> wrote:
> "mariposas rand mair fheal" <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:mair_fheal-13B3C...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > if i were to ask (again) where they are supposed to get the oil from
> > you declare that because oil companies are not allowed to freely foul
> > farmland
> > we dont know where the oil is
> > and therefore there must be vast reservoirs just bubbling everywhere
> > so because land might be more valuable used say for growing food
> > you can pretend theres vast amounts of unknown oil
> > unless we ruin the entire country to prove there aint
>
> You IDIOT-
> We KNOW where there are vast ammounts of oil.
because your navel told you
> First- how can you "ruin" a block of ice that melts in summer and freezes in
> winter. It's a place where 99.99999% of the world's population will never
> see. Why? Because it's dark 6 months a year and a freezzing, lifeless, flat
> no man's land in the summer.
> Anwar
anwar is in iraq
not too much ice there except in the north
anwr is in alaska
its land
you know soil rock plants caribou lichen flies etc
its full of life
as for a refuge being -useless- because you can drive through it
you should research the drug taxol
and how we might not have had it
because assholes were concerned about efficiency of clearcutting
instead of retaining a diverse forest community
> or how about-
> You drill a well 50 miles off the coast of Florida or California. You know
shrub decided not to drill off florida to help his brothers reelection
california already has oil wells on the coast and inland
also on most of the california coast you can see more 50 miles at sea
hills along most of the coast can get you 1000 to 5000 foot elevation
within a few miles of the ocean
> what you'll see if you stand on the beach? Nothing. It's over the horizon.
> You know what happens if you take a fishing boat out to it? Fish... lots of
> fish. It provides a habitat for a whole eco system.
> Environmentalists along with the democrat party don't want us to drive.
> When gas gets to ten dollars a gallon, they can acheive their purpose. This
> is who you people are electing.
its republican gospel that pro-environment must be anti-business
actually various -green- or pro-environment programs
turn out to be more profitable for business than anti-environment
> > how many refineries in bakersfield? anything like richmond?
> No , we wouldn't want that. People would get good paying jobs.
richmond is in california on the san francisco bay
alameda or contra costa county
> >> Its moronic fuckwits like you that supported them, and are now trying
> >> to obfuscate the consequences of their and your actions.
> We're short on oil(dimwits, look up the laws of supply and demand)
>
> > so its clintons fault that oil production in iraq dropped after 2001?
> Fuck Iraq- It will be ten years to get their oil industry on track (AlQeida
> keeps blowing shit up)
> More later,
> IKE (D'Lemma doesn't do political)
>
> and P.S. Farmland only produces food if you don't make gasoline out of it
try eat gasoline for dinner tonight
kinzie
Free markets to be exact. It's a wonderful thing! Most all of us who
have a mutual fund have some exposure to oil industry holdings. This is
what drive the price.
Never been one to cheer the Republicans but I must say they have lined
my 401k this year with my eshares holdings of oil (the cool way to buy
into the mania). It's been great! Every time I see some redneck driving
alone in his big ol' 4x4 truck burning fuel I get a tear in my eye
thinking how much more comfortable my retirement will be! I've made WAY
more in oil investments than I've even come close to consuming the stuff
(then again I switched to 4 cylinders a LONG time ago).
I used to think 5 bucks was the price point that folks will REALLY do
something about gas use... But I've since changed that price point to 8
bucks. Why? Still the love of the car. I love this country!
--
Bill
Gunner
>>
>> >> http://www.galeschools.com/images/environment/condor_range.gif
>> >> All of the US West coast, Northern Mexico, East to Texas ... northern
>>
>> >the question isnt the condor range
>> >thats a diversion because gunner got snagged in his own rhetoric again
>>
>> Of course its a diversion on your part. It usually is
>>
>> Condors are exceptionally rare in the US..so the "range" the article
>> claims is highly bogus.
>
>There are two ranges noted in the reference above. The larger one
>mentioned by Cliff was for the Pleistocene epoch (1,808,000 to 11,550
>years ago). The range greatly contracted during the Holocene epoch
>(following the Pleistocene to the present). At one point, there were
>only 22 condors left. Thanks to a captive breeding program, there are
>now about 300 of the birds (some reintroduced to the wild, some
>captive).
Indeed.
Gunner, who lives only a few miles from a Condor protected area.
Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:
Amazingly enough it is high because the demand is higher then the
supply. Of course I don't expect that you will accept this as it is
too simple for you to comprehend. You'd rather blame Big Oil, Little
Green Men, those guys in the black helicopters, or some other vast
international plot.
Simple math seems to be beyond you.
Bruce in Bangkok
<Leap...@lemmings.com> wrote:
>
>"mariposas rand mair fheal" <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:mair_fheal-13B3C...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> if i were to ask (again) where they are supposed to get the oil from
>> you declare that because oil companies are not allowed to freely foul
>> farmland
>> we dont know where the oil is
>> and therefore there must be vast reservoirs just bubbling everywhere
>> so because land might be more valuable used say for growing food
>> you can pretend theres vast amounts of unknown oil
>> unless we ruin the entire country to prove there aint
>
>You IDIOT-
>We KNOW where there are vast ammounts of oil.
>First- how can you "ruin" a block of ice that melts in summer and freezes in
>winter. It's a place where 99.99999% of the world's population will never
>see. Why? Because it's dark 6 months a year and a freezzing, lifeless, flat
>no man's land in the summer.
>Anwar
>or how about-
>You drill a well 50 miles off the coast of Florida or California. You know
>what you'll see if you stand on the beach? Nothing. It's over the horizon.
>You know what happens if you take a fishing boat out to it? Fish... lots of
>fish. It provides a habitat for a whole eco system.
Do a google search on oil wells in Los Angeles:
There are oil fields beneath such high-end locales as Huntington
Beach, Newport Beach, El Segundo, Los Angeles downtown, Century City,
Cheviot Hills, and even Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills High School has
oil wells right next to the football field. One drill site with more
than 60 wells, drilled directionally to as far as a mile from the
surface entry and casing, is located in what looks like a 10-story
office building, all of two blocks from the Beverly Hills city line.
Director Steven Spielberg's mother lives down the street.
All in all, there are 55 known oil fields in the Los Angeles area,
with something over 30,000 producing wells and an equal number of
older, plugged, and abandoned wells.
Ruin the whole country indeed!
EskW...@spamblock.panix.com
> Ruin the whole country indeed!
Ever been to LA?
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
Wolf 253
Well well, you got one right.
Now why is supply low and who does it benefit?
:)
> Of course I don't expect that you will accept this as it is
> too simple for you to comprehend. You'd rather blame Big Oil, Little
> Green Men, those guys in the black helicopters, or some other vast
> international plot.
>
Why would the oil companies want to make less money?
:)
> Simple math seems to be beyond you.
>
You + Winger Radio = True Believer
--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/12/lieberman-airstrikes-in-iran-are-a-distinct-possibility/
Wolf 253
Wall St devalued the dollar?
Do tell :)
--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/12/lieberman-airstrikes-in-iran-are-a-distinct-possibility/
Wolf 253
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <mbtg24t8t7d2o7usn...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:28:34 -0700, Wolf 253 <snuh...@netscape.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:20:49 -0400
> > >Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sat, 10 May 2008 18:52:56 -0700, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >>> >> No new refineries,
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >Greens decide where & when refineries are built?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> They decide that they DONT get built
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4177
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>Why would Big Oil want lower prices, k00k?
> > >> >
> > >> >Because they get to sell more oil at lower prices.
> > >>
> > >> You would just buy more to burn?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Gummys grasp of supply and demand is quite limited :)
> >
> >
> > Yours appears to be non-existant.
>
> form someone who thinks a company maximizes profits by maximizing sales?
>
How will we do it?
VOLUME!
Mheh...
--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/12/lieberman-airstrikes-in-iran-are-a-distinct-possibility/
Wolf 253
Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
Anything that interferes with my slack is taboo, bu77nu66e7.
> >> >
> >> >> The company I worked for in Indonesia operated four different
> >> >> production areas for Atlantic Richfield Indonesia for probably a total
> >> >> of ten years. During that time I never saw ARCO choke a well (limit
> >> >> production).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Your personal anecdotal evidence is noted.
> >> >Your sample size is however too small to indicate industry-wide trends.
> >>
> >> You really need to get your dead ass out of your moms basement and go
> >> work a year in the oil fields. Id be happy to get you a gig on a work
> >> over rig out in Bakersfield. DONT bring your good clothes.
> >>
> >Why invest in yesterdays technology?
>
> So you wont leave your mom's basement then, correct?
>
You're not even trying, mAkEr oF ThReAtS.
> >
> >> >
> >> >> In fact, even when we requested a slow down in flow rate on one or two
> >> >> wells they refused. I well remember the Assistant Production Manager
> >> >> saying, to me, "YOU MEAN YOU WANT ME TO CALL CALIFORNIA AND TELL THEM
> >> >> THAT WE ARE REDUCING PRODUCTION?" Which I interpreted to mean he
> >> >> didn't want to do that.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Fascinating.
> >>
> >> And quite true. Most guys above brake weight consider their jobs a
> >> sacred trust and their industry a public utility. The oil MUST flow!
> >>
> >Yer an idiot.
>
> Coming from someone who knows zip shit about the oil business..thats a
> funny comment from you.
>
I hope your stupidity isnt catching...
> >> You seem to forget..that they and their families need gas, oil and
> >> electricity too.
> >>
> >
> >What if they stop driving their SUV's!??!?!
>
> Most drive pickup trucks. SUVs are more commonly found amoung
> Democrats , along with limos and private multi engine aircraft.
>
Jealous, much PoVeRtY BoY?
> Again your ignorance transcends buffoonery.
>
Yours is trancendant :)
--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/12/lieberman-airstrikes-in-iran-are-a-distinct-possibility/
Gunner
wrote:
>On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:52:29 -0700
>Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:45:10 -0700, Wolf 253 <snuh...@netscape.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> Or, you realize that your comment "Why would big oil want to increase
>> >> the supply and lower the price?" is simply the rambling of an
>> >> uninformed fool and are trying to "cover your ass" as the jargon has
>> >> it?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Why is the price still high, Brucie?
>>
>> Wall St. Take it up with the commodities traders.
>>
>>
>Wall St devalued the dollar?
>Do tell :)
The devalued dollar is only one part of the increase in price.
Commodity trading is the other.
But you did know that, right?
Is the drop in the dollar enough to account for the doubling of gas
prices in the past 2 yrs?
Gunner
Gunner
wrote:
>
>> >> You seem to forget..that they and their families need gas, oil and
>> >> electricity too.
>> >>
>> >
>> >What if they stop driving their SUV's!??!?!
>>
>> Most drive pickup trucks. SUVs are more commonly found amoung
>> Democrats , along with limos and private multi engine aircraft.
>>
>
>Jealous, much PoVeRtY BoY?
Nope, just fascinated by the hypocrisy of the Leftard.
Gunner
Ed Huntress
"Gunner" <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:uekj24lbjv9c86tsq...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 07:59:21 -0700, Wolf 253 <snuh...@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:52:29 -0700
>>Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:45:10 -0700, Wolf 253 <snuh...@netscape.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >> Or, you realize that your comment "Why would big oil want to
>>> >> increase
>>> >> the supply and lower the price?" is simply the rambling of an
>>> >> uninformed fool and are trying to "cover your ass" as the jargon has
>>> >> it?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Why is the price still high, Brucie?
>>>
>>> Wall St. Take it up with the commodities traders.
>>>
>>>
>>Wall St devalued the dollar?
>>Do tell :)
>
>
> The devalued dollar is only one part of the increase in price.
> Commodity trading is the other.
>
> But you did know that, right?
Krugman pointed out a couple of days ago that there is no hoarding going on,
so there is no evidence that it's the result of commodity futures
speculation:
("The Oil Nonbubble")
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12krugman.html
>
> Is the drop in the dollar enough to account for the doubling of gas
> prices in the past 2 yrs?
>
> Gunner
It looks like it's all supply and demand.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
What happened to the much-hated "Prius-driving liberal?" Did they all trade
them in on limos?
Or am I confusing this sputtering tirade with last week's sputtering tirade?
d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Bob Brock
If that is true, it would be really bad news for the peak oil deniers.
Especially, since it happened right on schedule.
Ed Huntress
"Bob Brock" <bbr...@i-americia.net> wrote in message
news:39oj24ldogf9iusnd...@4ax.com...
The "peak" has been pushed up a bit because of demand from China, India, and
some developing countries, which wasn't accurately anticipated.
But that doesn't change the situation. Demand is 'way up, and getting
higher.
--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
> "Gunner" <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote in message
> news:uekj24lbjv9c86tsq...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 07:59:21 -0700, Wolf 253 <snuh...@netscape.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:52:29 -0700
>>> Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:45:10 -0700, Wolf 253
>>>> <snuh...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, you realize that your comment "Why would big oil want to
>>>>>> increase
>>>>>> the supply and lower the price?" is simply the rambling of an
>>>>>> uninformed fool and are trying to "cover your ass" as the jargon
>>>>>> has it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is the price still high, Brucie?
>>>>
>>>> Wall St. Take it up with the commodities traders.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Wall St devalued the dollar?
>>> Do tell :)
>>
>>
>> The devalued dollar is only one part of the increase in price.
>> Commodity trading is the other.
>>
>> But you did know that, right?
>
> Krugman pointed out a couple of days ago that there is no hoarding
> going on,
And he's largely correct as far as he went.
>so there is no evidence that it's the result of commodity
> futures speculation:
He didn't actually say that Ed.
>
> ("The Oil Nonbubble")
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12krugman.html
>
>>
>> Is the drop in the dollar enough to account for the doubling of gas
>> prices in the past 2 yrs?
>>
>> Gunner
>
> It looks like it's all supply and demand.
Sort of. Krugman's analysis was extremely superficial. I'm surprised because
I thought he knew better than to pull this sort of thing.
There certainly is pressure from the demand side of the oil industry but it
isn't placing any real strain on supply.
Not really.
I've seen two things that have driven recent pricing. The first is
selectively withholding of production. When PK says there is no evidence of
hoarding, he's ignoring this. Oil in the ground today is a better investment
that production today.
This leads to the second observation.
The worlds central banks, in response to the mortgage and mortgage insurance
con market, have been flooding the markets with liquidity for months and
they still are. Several large PE funds that I'm aware of have opened and
then closed in less than four weeks and you'd think that once they had
closed they'd buy something. There was sort of a pause that has now shifted
to commodities and especially OIL. This is why people are correctly able to
argue that the price increases we've seen are the result of demand. They are
demand driven all right but not by current demand. It's anticipated future
demand that is being priced in.
BTW, the money also isn't coming from the traditional or expected sources -
ie. banks and investment bankers.
It's coming from other funds that have tapped into fresh liquidity. They are
doubling down rather than agregating their losses and taking their lumps
using the fresh liquidity they have been provided. They are doing this in a
very pernicious way. It's funny when you think about it.
Banks and funds are dumping mortgages rather that waiting for them to fail
at a discount but the banks are actually funding those discounted purchases
with fresh loans.
We are moving from the age of the A-Bomb into the H-Bomb era financially
speaking.
I find it very hard to believe that Paul Krugman wouldn't know all of this.
In fact, it makes me question my own facts.
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Steve Thompson
Naw, you're just bragging about how your shitty little bitches can
install custom viruses on computers you arrange to access. BIG
FUCKING DEAL. Wow, Mr. Ubermench! You can attack a single guy living
in poverty and wreck his computer's hard disk! Twice! You're all so
awesome and POWERFUL! Nobody execpt a useless fucking order-following
ASSHAT like you, with the resources of an overfunded kindergarten for
losers, could accomplish such a DIFFICULT operation.
Whassamater, dickbreath? Can't argue your position on leadership
skills without resorting to terrorism?
Regards,
Steve
--
Rule number one when dealing with terrorists, be they wild-eyed fanatics,
uniformed thugs, or rabid academic ideologues, is to repudiate their
demands without equivocation. Those who cannot put forward their ideas and
political agenda in a civilized context desserve no consideration or
compassion from civilized people.
Steve Thompson
Uh-huh. And that's why the racist bitches were criticising "someone"
for posting to Usenet via google. Because they anticipate that my
disk-drive won't last, that I won't be able to afford to replace it,
and that I'll be reduced to using google for news access while the
useless fucking cowards policing this country pretend they don't have
to arrest the dickless terrorists running around attacking civilians
to protect their corrupt, organized crime administration.
Well, the disk is sick but it ain't dead yet (again), although it is
only a matter of time.
And you're a useless fucking coward dipshit know-nothing for going
along with it.
Again, I say: It's no wonder the National Socialist Party did so
well. They had lots of easy kiss-ass order-following ASSHATS like you
to carry out policy.
Ed Huntress
"Steve Thompson" <steve...@yahoo.ca.ca> wrote in message
news:ad35ffa...@nntp.myofb.org...
Are you insane, Steve? Or did you just respond to the wrong message?
--
Ed Huntress
Steve Thompson
Nope. I've got the correct messages, and you useless asshats are
showing your true colors: Yellow for cowardice.
Zapanaz
Ed Huntress hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
Thunder crashed, Ed Huntress laughed madly, then wrote:
>
>"Steve Thompson" <steve...@yahoo.ca.ca> wrote in message
>news:ad35ffa...@nntp.myofb.org...
>Are you insane, Steve? Or did you just respond to the wrong message?
I'm pretty sure this
http://joecosby.com/sound/Hater%20Calls%20only%20-%2010-09-06.mp3
Is a message Steve left on the Church of the SubGenius answering
machine. I could be wrong, but the conceptual drift and way of
talking is very similar. Anyway he hasn't denied it.
***
Bear in mind, listening to this, that at the time he left the message,
nobody had the foggiest idea who he was. People mostly ignored his
intermittant rabid messages posted to alt.slack, the most notice he
had gotten that I ever noticed was an occasional "man, what a nut".
***
Anyway I think that should help answer the "are you insane" question.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"If you make people think they're thinking,
they'll love you;
but, if you really make them think,
they'll hate you."
- Harlan Ellison
:: Currently listening to Glorious, 1990, by The Breeders, from "Pod"
Steve Thompson
>
> Ed Huntress hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
> Thunder crashed, Ed Huntress laughed madly, then wrote:
>
> >
> >"Steve Thompson" <steve...@yahoo.ca.ca> wrote in message
> >news:ad35ffa...@nntp.myofb.org...
>
> >Are you insane, Steve? Or did you just respond to the wrong message?
>
> I'm pretty sure this
>
> http://joecosby.com/sound/Hater%20Calls%20only%20-%2010-09-06.mp3
>
> Is a message Steve left on the Church of the SubGenius answering
> machine. I could be wrong, but the conceptual drift and way of
> talking is very similar. Anyway he hasn't denied it.
>
> ***
>
> Bear in mind, listening to this, that at the time he left the message,
> nobody had the foggiest idea who he was. People mostly ignored his
> intermittant rabid messages posted to alt.slack, the most notice he
> had gotten that I ever noticed was an occasional "man, what a nut".
>
> ***
>
> Anyway I think that should help answer the "are you insane" question.
I humor your denials because it would otherwise be too much work to
prove that you know more than you admit. Perhaps one day we will see
you strapped into a chair and beaten until you disclose your
encryption keys. As a terrorist, it will be a trivial matter for the
police to acquire their torture warrant from a Judge.
Ta for now.
Steve Thompson
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 02:29:01PM -0700, wrote:
> >
> > Ed Huntress hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
> > Thunder crashed, Ed Huntress laughed madly, then wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Steve Thompson" <steve...@yahoo.ca.ca> wrote in message
> > >news:ad35ffa...@nntp.myofb.org...
> >
> > >Are you insane, Steve? Or did you just respond to the wrong message?
> >
> > I'm pretty sure this
> >
> > http://joecosby.com/sound/Hater%20Calls%20only%20-%2010-09-06.mp3
> >
> > Is a message Steve left on the Church of the SubGenius answering
> > machine. I could be wrong, but the conceptual drift and way of
> > talking is very similar. Anyway he hasn't denied it.
> >
> > ***
> >
> > Bear in mind, listening to this, that at the time he left the message,
> > nobody had the foggiest idea who he was. People mostly ignored his
> > intermittant rabid messages posted to alt.slack, the most notice he
> > had gotten that I ever noticed was an occasional "man, what a nut".
> >
> > ***
> >
> > Anyway I think that should help answer the "are you insane" question.
>
> I humor your denials because it would otherwise be too much work to
> prove that you know more than you admit. Perhaps one day we will see
> you strapped into a chair and beaten until you disclose your
> encryption keys. As a terrorist, it will be a trivial matter for the
> police to acquire their torture warrant from a Judge.
Oh shit. I forgot that obedient bitches in the employ of the
government are excepted from consideration as terrorist bitches
because the police need that extra little bit of protection for their
own. Just in case, cause it's not like police officials ever engage
in any illegal activity whatsoever, and even if they did the perp
probably deserved it.
Ed Huntress
"Zapanaz" <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote in message
news:EoKdneLytrIymrfV...@zhonka.net...
>
> Ed Huntress hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
> Thunder crashed, Ed Huntress laughed madly, then wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Thompson" <steve...@yahoo.ca.ca> wrote in message
>>news:ad35ffa...@nntp.myofb.org...
>
>>Are you insane, Steve? Or did you just respond to the wrong message?
>
> I'm pretty sure this
>
> http://joecosby.com/sound/Hater%20Calls%20only%20-%2010-09-06.mp3
>
> Is a message Steve left on the Church of the SubGenius answering
> machine. I could be wrong, but the conceptual drift and way of
> talking is very similar. Anyway he hasn't denied it.
>
> ***
>
> Bear in mind, listening to this, that at the time he left the message,
> nobody had the foggiest idea who he was. People mostly ignored his
> intermittant rabid messages posted to alt.slack, the most notice he
> had gotten that I ever noticed was an occasional "man, what a nut".
>
> ***
>
> Anyway I think that should help answer the "are you insane" question.
Thanks for the explanation.
--
Ed Huntress
Steve Thompson
Don't take his word for it. Go consult a clinical psychiatrist. Get
a PROFESSIONAL opinion. Then do whatever you wanted to in the first
place.
Dan
Near as I can tell, from my investing experience, is that tankers are
running full, with little excess capacity. While technically supply and
demand are not truly limiting, there are a couple of bottlenecks that
are inelastic in the short term. Tanker capacity is scheduled to
increase over the next few years, but I do not know of its ultimate
plateau levels as compared with end-user desires.
Just another data point.
Dan
Rev. 11D Meow!
Once you go PSYOPS
you never go back...
Cliff
>At one point, there were
>>only 22 condors left. Thanks to a captive breeding program, there are
>>now about 300 of the birds (some reintroduced to the wild, some
>>captive).
>
>
>Indeed.
>
>Gunner, who lives only a few miles from a Condor protected area.
Pretty good eating, are they?
Mixed with kibble ...
--
Cliff