NOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS PLANNED OUT WELL...NOT! An Illinois man, pretending
to have a gun, kidnapped a motorist and forced him to drive to two different
automated teller machines. The kidnapper then proceeded to withdraw money from
his own bank account. (Maybe he should have pretended to have a brain!)
WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE HAVING A BAD DAY...READ THIS Fire investigators on Maui
have determined the cause of a blaze that destroyed a $1,270,000 home last month
- a short in the homeowner's newly installed fire prevention alarm system. "This
is even worse than last year, "said the distraught homeowner, "when someone
broke in and stole my new security system..." (...hmmm, could this be the
Illinois guy?)
NOW THIS IS WHAT I CONSIDER A DEDICATED CROOK! A man walked into a Topeka,
Kansas Kwik Shop and asked for all the money in the cash drawer. Apparently, the
take was too small so he tied up the store clerk and worked the counter himself
for three hours until police showed up and grabbed him. (Wonder if he paid
himself time and 1/2 for the overtime?)
FOOT IN MOUTH...UP TO THE KNEE! Police in Los Angeles had good luck with a
robbery suspect who just couldn't control himself during a lineup. When
detectives asked each man in the lineup to repeat the words, "Give me all your
money or I'll shoot", the man shouted, "That's not what I said!" (Turns out, the
witness was Blonde and didn't pick him!)
NOT THE SHARPEST KNIFE IN THE DRAWER! In Modesto, CA, Steven Richard King was
arrested for trying to hold up a Bank of America branch without a weapon. King
used a thumb and a finger to simulate a gun but unfortunately he failed to keep
his hand in his pocket. (Banks should keep Monopoly money on hand for these
bright crooks.)
]
All registered Republicans?
TMT
Given that most felons are Democrats (which is why the DNC is trying
desperately to get felons to register while in prison, and get the
vote)...Id have to say no, they are not Republicans.
Gunner
Is being a felon a prerequisite to join the Dem. party...or does one join and in
the no-morals atmosphere, become one...IF one gets caught?
Martin H. Eastburn
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Id have to say that sociopathic personality issues are part and parcel
of Liberalism and Democrats in general..and since nutcases tend to
band together...
>Given that most felons are Democrats
YOUR "given"?
Why do they keep jailing famed repubs?
Clinton & Monica are still FREE !!
Famous Republican saying: "Everything is fine in politics as long as you
don't get caught in bed with a live man, or a dead woman.”
Found those "WMDs" yet?
Still torturing people & suspending the US Constitution?
--
Cliff
We haven't used Sears repair since.
IDIOT SIGHTING
My daughter and I went through the McDonald's take-out window and I gave the
clerk a $5 bill. Our total was $4.25,
so I also handed her a quarter. She said, "you gave me too much money." I said,
"Yes I know, but this way you can just
give me a dollar bill back." She sighed and went to get the manager who asked me
to repeat my request.
I did so, and he handed me back the quarter, and said "We're sorry but they
could not do that kind of thing."
The clerk then proceeded to give me back $1 and 75 cents in change.
Do not confuse the clerks at McD's.
IDIOT SIGHTING :
I live in a semi rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the local
township administrative office to request the
removal of the DEER CROSSING sign on our road. The reason: "Too many deer are
being hit by cars out here!
I don't think this is a good place for them to be crossing anymore."
From Kingman , KS
IDIOT SIGHTING IN FOOD SERVICE:
My daughter went to a local Taco Bell and ordered a taco. She asked the person
behind the counter for "minimal lettuce."
He said he was sorry, but they only had iceberg lettuce.
From Kansas City
IDIOT SIGHTING:
I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an airport employee asked,
"Has anyone put anything in your baggage
without your knowledge?" To which I replied, "If it was without my knowledge,
how would I know?" He smiled knowingly
and nodded, "That's why we ask."
Happened in Birmingham , Ala.
IDIOT SIGHTING:
The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to cross the street I was
crossing with an intellectually challenged
coworker of mine. She asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I explained that
it signals blind people when the light is red.
Appalled, she responded, "What on earth are blind people doing driving?!"
She was a probation officer in Wichita , KS
IDIOT SIGHTING :
At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear coworker. She was leaving the company
due to "downsizing." Our manager
commented cheerfully, "This is fun We should do this more often." Not another
word was spoken. We all just looked at
each other with that deer-in-the-headlights stare.
This was a lunch at Texas Instruments.
IDIOT SIGHTING :
I work with an individual who plugged her power strip back into itself and for
the sake of her life, couldn't understand
why her system would not turn on.
A deputy with the Dallas County Sheriffs office, no less.
IDIOT SIGHTING:
When my husband and I arrived at an automobile dealership to pick up our car, we
were told the keys had been locked in it.
We went to the service department and found a mechanic working feverishly to
unlock the drivers side door. As I watched
from the passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered
that it was unlocked. "Hey," I announced to the technician, "it's open!" His
reply, "I know. I already got that side."
This was at the Ford dealership in Canton , Mississippi
STAY ALERT!
They walk among us... and the scary part is that they VOTE and they REPRODUCE!
]
IDIOT SIGHTING:
> What should be discussed is that certain groups are intent on
> depriving citizens in the U.S. of their fundamental rights (in this
> case to own a gun)
"You make the assumption as your given & it's not.
Winger-"logic" strikes again.
There is NO 'fundamental right' to 'own a gun'".
This was posted by Cliff.
STAY ALERT!
They walk among us... and the scary part is that they VOTE and they
REPRODUCE!
done
whats the task for tomorrow?
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
Easy enough...it's the Township Administrator in Kingman, KS.
The same guy who refused your sign removal request.
Not only that, the last time I checked there wasn't a fundamental right to
own anything mentioned in the constitution. Can you imagine the founding
fathers would have forgotten to give us the right to own things? What were
they thinking?
Hawke
they was good lil commies
There is no such "fundamental right."
You CHOOSE to live in a society that allows such, but there is nothing
in the owner's manual that says any such thing.
Dan
These guys cling to each other like an accretion of grease in the
kitchen drain.
How is it that you can post this kind of thing here ?
while its true , it goes directly against what the majority of the
posters here believe .... they seem to think they are somehow übermensch
for having happened to be born in the USA
its refreshing to see someone being realistic tho , thanks .
There are thinking people in this country, maybe even one or two others
in this newsgroup. hard to find, to be sure, but we do exist.
And we are so damned cute and modest, to boot!
It certainly is interesting to meet the occasional other person who also
thinks words have meanings, unlike most of the Humpties around here.
Dan
Who was born in the USofA? My Mother and MiL were born there, FiL in
Dublin, Father was born in the house I was raised in, and my Grand
Kids in the other London (UK). What Majority?
>its refreshing to see someone being realistic tho , thanks .
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
or
Amendment V (consider property interchangeable with "things")
No person shall . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public
use, without just compensation.
So you have the right to own "things" but the government can take them when
they see fit providing that they afford you due process, just so long as
you are justly compensated in the end.
And you don't have the right to do whatever you want with your "things",
but that's another matter entirely.
--
Dan
CNC Videos - <http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d>
Legal rights, nice as they are, are not "fundamental rights" in any way,
shape, or form.
Like the people who claim gold has "intrinsic value" as money, you
misconstrue the meanings of the terms involved. Your fundamental right
as an animal is to do anything you can do to survive and reproduce.
Your fundamental right as a human being is to be a productive part of
the social group (which excludes most animalian rights). The set of
allowable rules depends on which point of reference you choose.
Dan
Fundamental - serving as an essential component.
The 5th and 9th Amendments clearly outline rights that are "fundamental"
to the constitution. Which was the discussion AFAICT.
Fundamental rights, as they're interpreted by the courts, are those that are
"deeply rooted" in American history (and prehistory; some derive from the
rights of Englishmen) and tradition. The list of these change from time to
time; the fundamental right to privacy was added in 1965, as a result of the
Griswold case. The right to free speech was only affirmed as a fundamental
right early in the previous century. One or two have been removed from the
list, such as the right to contract.
There is a logic and a fair consistency to how the Supreme Court has
identified these rights. FWIW, they're the ones in the Bill of Rights that
generally are incorporated under the 14th Amendment and are thus enforced
over the heads of the states, disallowing most legislation that would
violate them. The 2nd has not been incorporated and the 5th has not been
completely incorporated (nor have the 9th and 10th, but those are a matter
of illogic in regard to incorporation).
Whether a right is "fundamental" affects how the courts scrutinize laws
passed by the states and Congress for violations of individual rights. The
interpretation of the due process clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments
depends on whether or not a right is fundamental. And the concept of
substantive due process has meaning only in regard to fundamental rights.
I haven't been able to follow who is claiming what in this thread, but if
the 2nd Amendment is still a part of it, we may get an answer to what the
Supreme Court will do about scrutiny (likely) and incorporation (much less
likely) regarding the 2nd when it decides the Heller case in June. It could
wind up being overtly declared a fundamental right, or not. Or Chief Justice
Roberts may get his way and the whole concept of scrutiny could be revised.
Nobody knows what would happen to the concept of fundamental rights if that
happens.
--
Ed Huntress
You said that you don't read gunner's posts. Remember?
Working class American men have a false and unrealistic view of America and
the rest of the world. They've had the idea of America being exceptional for
quite a while. At one time it may have been true but now things are far
different. Unfortunately, lots of guys have no idea how far we have fallen
and other countries have moved up. They still think it's 1950 and America is
king of the world but only the elite is still living the great life. It's
like medicine. You hear all the time how great our medical system is but
people are flying out of here to have procedures done in hospitals in
Singapore, Malaysia, and other countries where the service and care are as
good or better than here and the costs are a pittance. Yep, we are far below
our peak and others are catching up fast. We're living in the past, which is
common for those who used to be on top.
Hawke
And exactly what property or "things" do you think you
have a 'fundamental right' to? WHO is to give them to you
gratis? Why?
Do enumerate them.
>So you have the right to own "things" but the government can take them when
>they see fit providing that they afford you due process, just so long as
>you are justly compensated in the end.
And the bill for the cost of finding all those guns in the first place is?
>And you don't have the right to do whatever you want with your "things",
>but that's another matter entirely.
And your lawyer's pre-paid bill was how much?
--
Cliff
IF "fundamental" why enumerate them?
IF NOT enumerated I suppose you have no such rights,
right?
But this was all before the neocons & their "quaint"
historical documents, easily bypassed with an executive
order or a "signing statement", even secret ones &
even in the face of Superme Court orders & laws to
the contrary.
--
Cliff
>You hear all the time how great our medical system is but
>people are flying out of here to have procedures done in hospitals in
>Singapore, Malaysia, and other countries where the service and care are as
>good or better than here and the costs are a pittance.
I know of three men locally (with cancer) expelled early from
hospitals for being "grumpy".
One was out (sent home) in about three days after having had
bits of his liver, pancreas, stomach & intestines removed. But I
gather that that one was uninsured or underinsured too.
The third one (colon cancer IIRC) was sent out with open wounds
that kept festering so he kept having to go back. Don't know about
his insurance but clearly no nursing home was covered. I do suspect
that a lot of people on the outside caught hep C from him though as
a result.
--
Cliff
I think he knows that but is intent on playing coy and lying.
He knows what 'fundamental' and 'inherent' means and he knows
that these unalienable rights are the core of American values.
I leave it to others to understand his motives.
I've explained to Dan and others that the Constitution does *not*
grant rights to Americans. The Bill of Rights contained therein
are orders to those in government that they must *guarantee* those
expressed and implied rights to Americans.
The Bill of Rights which echoes some inherent rights, was taken
from the the Virginia Declaration of Rights of 1776 and the
1778 Articles of Confederation. The basis of the American concept
of natural rights or inherent rights, is contained in the Declaration
of Independence. Each of these documents is considered in matters
concerning common law and in understanding the Constitution.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
*unalienable Rights*, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments
are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the
consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government
becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People
to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect
their Safety and Happiness."
- Declaration of Independence
The Bill of Rights which echoes some inherent rights, was taken
We are hardly past our peak. And the average person is certainly better
off today than they were in the 50's. Most of the rest of the world is
rising though, but that doesn't mean we are sinking. Check this book out
of your local library for a different perspective -
<http://www.fareedzakaria.com/books/index.html>
You seem very confused by the English language. Perhaps you'd prefer some
other language?
How does fundamental equate to free? Bizarre thought process.
>
> Do enumerate them.
There's little hope of you understanding so no.
>
>>So you have the right to own "things" but the government can take them
>>when they see fit providing that they afford you due process, just so
>>long as you are justly compensated in the end.
>
> And the bill for the cost of finding all those guns in the first
> place is?
??
>
>>And you don't have the right to do whatever you want with your
>>"things", but that's another matter entirely.
>
> And your lawyer's pre-paid bill was how much?
??
Point, set and match.
Gunner
Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
><http://www.fareedzakaria.com/books/index.html>
"The tallest buildings, biggest dams, largest-selling movies, and most
advanced cell phones are all being built outside the United States."
--
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in
>news:9cev24pmm8d1vtu80...@4ax.com:
>What exactly do you believe the difinition of "fundamental" to be?
I did not claim the term.
>
>> IF NOT enumerated I suppose you have no such rights,
>> right?
>
>So you didn't understand the IX Amendment?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
"Gun rights activists in recent decades have sometimes argued for a
fundamental natural right to keep and bear arms that both predates the U.S.
Constitution and is covered by the Constitution's Ninth Amendment; according to
this viewpoint, the Second Amendment protects only a pre-existing right to keep
and bear arms."
>> But this was all before the neocons & their "quaint"
>> historical documents, easily bypassed with an executive
>> order or a "signing statement", even secret ones &
>> even in the face of Superme Court orders & laws to
>> the contrary.
>
>You better check under your bed.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=quaint+constitution&btnG=Google+Search
HTH
--
Cliff
Good. We'll take the high road.
That's perspective.
well some of them dams got a big shaking and some are fucked now thanks
to the china quakes
Of course they are. Tall buildings don't make good economic sense here.
India and China each have over a billion people, so a popular movie in
their native language in their cultural style will easily sell more tickets
than a blockbuster here will. And why wouldn't you build cell phones close
to where you are going to sell the majority of them?
Read the book Cliff. Or wait for the audio version and have someone sit and
explain it to you while it's playing. You've already missed the point.
Nor do you know the meaning.
>
>>
>>> IF NOT enumerated I suppose you have no such rights,
>>> right?
>>
>>So you didn't understand the IX Amendment?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Con
> stitution
>
> "Gun rights activists in recent decades have sometimes argued for a
> fundamental natural right to keep and bear arms that both predates the
> U.S. Constitution and is covered by the Constitution's Ninth
> Amendment; according to this viewpoint, the Second Amendment protects
> only a pre-existing right to keep and bear arms."
So? I was taking issue with the statement about there being no
"fundamental right to own anything". Clearly not the case.
>
>>> But this was all before the neocons & their "quaint"
>>> historical documents, easily bypassed with an executive
>>> order or a "signing statement", even secret ones &
>>> even in the face of Superme Court orders & laws to
>>> the contrary.
>>
>>You better check under your bed.
>
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=quaint+constitution&
> btnG=Google+Search
>
> HTH
How would a Google search string entered by you ever be any sort of help?
Why would I even be interested in such laziness?
All of which begs the question.
--
Cliff
China seems to be working hard on everything.
How is New Orleans & Trent Lott's house coming along?
--
Cliff
>Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in news:8404349odc9808peqf6h9a3q5t8uoa8due@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On 18 May 2008 22:32:01 GMT, D Murphy <spam...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>><http://www.fareedzakaria.com/books/index.html>
>>
>> "The tallest buildings, biggest dams, largest-selling movies, and most
>> advanced cell phones are all being built outside the United States."
>
>Of course they are. Tall buildings don't make good economic sense here.
You are in Chicago, where the first American skyscrapers were built
along with the Sears tower.
Tall makes sense when land & travel is expensive.
Which is mostly why they were and are built. Once it was
possible (steel frames & safe elevators).
>India and China each have over a billion people, so a popular movie in
>their native language in their cultural style will easily sell more tickets
>than a blockbuster here will. And why wouldn't you build cell phones close
>to where you are going to sell the majority of them?
IIRC The US has the world's most expensive cell phone rates
& charges.
>Read the book Cliff. Or wait for the audio version and have someone sit and
>explain it to you while it's playing. You've already missed the point.
US based science & research is also in decline with the anti-science
wingers ("faith based" too -- lie enough & it's true, right?) in charge.
--
Cliff
I *asked" "IF "fundamental" why enumerate them?"
>>>
>>>> IF NOT enumerated I suppose you have no such rights,
>>>> right?
>>>
>>>So you didn't understand the IX Amendment?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Con
>> stitution
>>
>> "Gun rights activists in recent decades have sometimes argued for a
>> fundamental natural right to keep and bear arms that both predates the
>> U.S. Constitution and is covered by the Constitution's Ninth
>> Amendment; according to this viewpoint, the Second Amendment protects
>> only a pre-existing right to keep and bear arms."
>
>So? I was taking issue with the statement about there being no
>"fundamental right to own anything".
IF there was such then all societies & cultures
thruout history would have used such "fundamental rights".
How odd. It's not the case.
>Clearly not the case.
>
>>
>>>> But this was all before the neocons & their "quaint"
>>>> historical documents, easily bypassed with an executive
>>>> order or a "signing statement", even secret ones &
>>>> even in the face of Superme Court orders & laws to
>>>> the contrary.
>>>
>>>You better check under your bed.
>>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=quaint+constitution&
>> btnG=Google+Search
>>
>> HTH
>
>How would a Google search string entered by you ever be any sort of help?
>
>Why would I even be interested in such laziness?
Lots of cites <G>.
--
Cliff
> On 20 May 2008 03:06:07 GMT, D Murphy <spam...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Cliff <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in
>>news:8404349odc9808peqf6h9a3q5t8uoa8due@ 4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 18 May 2008 22:32:01 GMT, D Murphy <spam...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>><http://www.fareedzakaria.com/books/index.html>
>>>
>>> "The tallest buildings, biggest dams, largest-selling movies, and
>>> most
>>> advanced cell phones are all being built outside the United States."
>>
>>Of course they are. Tall buildings don't make good economic sense
>>here.
>
> You are in Chicago, where the first American skyscrapers were built
> along with the Sears tower.
> Tall makes sense when land & travel is expensive.
> Which is mostly why they were and are built. Once it was
> possible (steel frames & safe elevators).
There's no economic justification for building the world's tallest
building. I don't care where you put it.
The taller a skyscraper is the more difficult it becomes to make the
economics work out. The Twin Towers made little economic sense when they
were built. Hence the need for public funding.
>
>>India and China each have over a billion people, so a popular movie in
>>their native language in their cultural style will easily sell more
>>tickets than a blockbuster here will. And why wouldn't you build cell
>>phones close to where you are going to sell the majority of them?
>
> IIRC The US has the world's most expensive cell phone rates
> & charges.
Doubtful.
>
>>Read the book Cliff. Or wait for the audio version and have someone
>>sit and explain it to you while it's playing. You've already missed
>>the point.
>
> US based science & research is also in decline with the anti-science
> wingers ("faith based" too -- lie enough & it's true, right?) in
> charge.
Nope. The majority of the pharma research in the world happens right
here. Plenty of others too. Just because China calls everybody an
engineer, it doesn't mean that they really are engineers. Or scientists.
Or are engaged in any meaningful wide scale research.
Your winger nonsense is just plain tiresome and ridiculous.
Still don't understand the word "fundamental" in the context it was used,
eh?
>
>>Clearly not the case.
>>
>>>
>>>>> But this was all before the neocons & their "quaint"
>>>>> historical documents, easily bypassed with an executive
>>>>> order or a "signing statement", even secret ones &
>>>>> even in the face of Superme Court orders & laws to
>>>>> the contrary.
>>>>
>>>>You better check under your bed.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1
&q=quaint+constitution&
>>> btnG=Google+Search
>>>
>>> HTH
>>
>>How would a Google search string entered by you ever be any sort of
help?
>>
>>Why would I even be interested in such laziness?
>
> Lots of cites <G>.
Bored again?
Apparently you are Dan.
LOL
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com