Re: Will Tim May's final days be in the care of "those people"?
strabo
> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immiglabor21apr21,0,4195567.story
> Lack of skilled workers will lead to fiscal crisis, experts say
>
> With baby boomers preparing to retire as the best educated and most
> skilled workforce in U.S. history, a growing chorus of demographers
> and labor experts is raising concerns that workers in California and
> the nation lack the critical skills needed to replace them.
>
> In particular, experts say, the immigrant workers needed to fill many
> of the boomer jobs lack the English-language skills and basic
> educational levels to do so. Many immigrants are ill-equipped to fill
> California's fastest-growing positions, including computer software
> engineers, registered nurses and customer service representatives, a
> new study by the Washington-based Migration Policy Institute found.
>
> Immigrants -- legal and illegal -- already constitute almost half of
> the workers in Los Angeles County and are expected to account for
> nearly all of the growth in the nation's working-age population by
> 2025 because native-born Americans are having fewer children. But the
> study, based largely on U.S. Census data, noted that 60% of the
> county's immigrant workers struggle with English and one-third lack
> high school diplomas.
>
Simple solution - drive the illegal aliens out and stop out-sourcing
jobs. Americans will take care of themselves.
>
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Tim May
<not_...@bogus.net> wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immiglabor21apr21,0,4195567.story
> Lack of skilled workers will lead to fiscal crisis, experts say
>
> With baby boomers preparing to retire as the best educated and most
> skilled workforce in U.S. history, a growing chorus of demographers
> and labor experts is raising concerns that workers in California and
> the nation lack the critical skills needed to replace them.
Thirty years ago the immigrants being brought in large waves as
"operators" (factory workers) in our California wafer fabrication
facilities were unable to read simple instructions in English.
Efforts were made to translate simple English into Tagalog and other
immigrant languages. Then we discovered these immigrants had never been
trained in basic mathematics, or basic reasoning.
It became a real chore to attempt to explain that an epi implant had
something to do with "it like pounding arrow tip, poison, into big
tree, make it change" and most engineers I knew simply said to the
trainers "You figure out how to talk to these Third World monkeys.":
The situation is vastly worse today, with factories having to make sure
that the girlfriends and wives and hoes and others of various
gangbangers (El Norte, South Boys, Crips, 4th Streeters, etc.) are not
assigned to the same shift.
America is fucked. It allowed the niggers to take over the menial jobs.
And the young niggers today are vastly less educated than they were 40
years ago.
>
> In particular, experts say, the immigrant workers needed to fill many
> of the boomer jobs lack the English-language skills and basic
> educational levels to do so.
My exposure to this happened in 1979, when an electrical engineer I was
forced to work with on a project involving our memory chips was
completely ignorant about basic physics. He had crammed enough to get a
EE degree, but was ignorant about the most basic of things.
One of his lines was a classic:
"What am alpha particle?"
Now, nearly 30 years later, he would be a colossus of education
compared to the illiterates, the quota hires (checked by EEOC to ensure
that the proper quotas of mud people are hired), and the feckless
gangsta wannabees.
> Many immigrants are ill-equipped to fill
> California's fastest-growing positions, including computer software
> engineers, registered nurses and customer service representatives, a
> new study by the Washington-based Migration Policy Institute found.
My old employer, Intel Corporation, is busily moving operations to Asia
just as fast as it possibly can. As a shareholder, I salute them for
facing the inevitable, that if Intel is to survive, it cannot be as a
U.S.-centered company. They have to get out of Dodge, and they are.
While many Asians are still poorly trained in basic science ("F = ma
not taught, it not be on test!"), at least operating in Asia means that
taxes are not paid at confiscatory rates to support the American
Socialist Republic of Gimmestan.
Fuck the United States. It began dying when the Roosevelt commies came
to power, and it was already dead when Kennedy and Johnson and the
"Great Society" giveaways accelerated sharply.
> Immigrants -- legal and illegal -- already constitute almost half of
> the workers in Los Angeles County and are expected to account for
> nearly all of the growth in the nation's working-age population by
> 2025 because native-born Americans are having fewer children. But the
> study, based largely on U.S. Census data, noted that 60% of the
> county's immigrant workers struggle with English and one-third lack
> high school diplomas.
Schadenfreude. The immigrants are outbreeding even the liberals and
Jews by a 4-to-1 rate. In two generations, niggers and Mexicans will be
the majority. Whites will be either under arrest for thoughtcrime or
forced to learn Mandarin so as to communicate with the new power blocs
in Asia.
Nothing wrong with America that liquidating 60 million illegal
immigrants, welfare mommas, their worthless children, and other dirt
people would not at least partly fix.
--Tim May
Too_Many_Tools
> In article <4g8t049eemkb30hotjfdl30st5t07s0...@4ax.com>, Winston_Smith
>
> <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> >http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immiglabor21apr21,0,4195567.s...
You might want to check your figures Tim.
Conservatives are the ones who consistently breed like rabbits.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immiglabor21apr21,0,4195567.s...
> Lack of skilled workers will lead to fiscal crisis, experts say
>
> With baby boomers preparing to retire as the best educated and most
> skilled workforce in U.S. history, a growing chorus of demographers
> and labor experts is raising concerns that workers in California and
> the nation lack the critical skills needed to replace them.
>
> of the boomer jobs lack the English-language skills and basic
> California's fastest-growing positions, including computer software
> engineers, registered nurses and customer service representatives, a
> new study by the Washington-based Migration Policy Institute found.
>
> the workers in Los Angeles County and are expected to account for
> nearly all of the growth in the nation's working-age population by
> 2025 because native-born Americans are having fewer children. But the
> study, based largely on U.S. Census data, noted that 60% of the
> county's immigrant workers struggle with English and one-third lack
> high school diplomas.
>
Well the simple answer is "Yes".
Tim better learn how to say "I need the bedpan NOW" in Spanish.
TMT
strabo
That's one helluva comeback.
Just address the issue - comprehending Western sciences requires
more than learning pidgin English. Natives from the ghetto or the
jungle are not educable.
> TMT
reinhardt
came
to power, and it was already dead when Kennedy and Johnson and the
"Great Society" giveaways accelerated sharply."
the dutch settlement scheme takes into account the death of nations
this one started in 1400 or so
"Great society"?
Sounds like Medicare Part-D, eh?
Sue
<chuckle>
Sue
>
>TMT
terryc
> Well the simple answer is "Yes".
>
> Tim better learn how to say "I need the bedpan NOW" in Spanish.
I think what will really choke him is having to say "please" to a
"third world monkey".
Lets face it, the numbers of invalid baby boomers in nursing homes is
going to boom and it isn't seen as a highly desireable job.
terryc
> That's one helluva comeback.
>
> Just address the issue - comprehending Western sciences requires
> more than learning pidgin English. Natives from the ghetto or the
> jungle are not educable.
Or, the trainers were not capable of doing the job required. More likely
everyone was being screwed for resources.
I don't blame the poor bastards who jumped at te chance of a better life,
but rather the people above them that just failed to understand that arse
kissing is arse kissing whether in "the jungle" or in the city.
reinhardt
if you need a profession's service,, then pay for it
alexander...@hotmail.com
> Tim better learn how to say "I need the bedpan NOW" in Spanish.
>
By the time Tim reaches that point in life we'll have robots to change
bedpans AND even wipe his ass for him!
Too_Many_Tools
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:08:58 +1000, terryc
>
> <newssixspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
> >On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:17:59 -0400, strabo wrote:
>
> >> That's one helluva comeback.
>
> >> Just address the issue - comprehending Western sciences requires
> >> more than learning pidgin English. Natives from the ghetto or the
> >> jungle are not educable.
>
> >Or, the trainers were not capable of doing the job required. More likely
> >everyone was being screwed for resources.
>
> marginally related to semi. Our managers are convinced they can hire
> in a failed burger flipper, give them a half hour training, and turn
> them loose. "All they have to do is follow the procedure". They
> always wonder why they take a yield hit when an experience operator
> leaves and a fry cook takes over. But, hey, it's cheap that way.
> Never mind the expensive product that hit the trash.
>
>
>
> >I don't blame the poor bastards who jumped at te chance of a better life,
> >but rather the people above them that just failed to understand that arse
>
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Your story has been repeated numerous times.
It is not the labor that is hired that is the problem.
It is the managment making the brain dead decisions.
The little detail that the management hired inadequate labor, gave
them no training and expected no problems are all reasons to consider
the management mentally ill.
And just like the Republican Administration currently, just because
you wish it to be so doesn't mean it will be.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
Yeah...let's see how it sounds....
Tim : "I need the bedpan now...PLEASE...PRETTY PLEASE...HOLY SH*T
PLEASE...I'M BEGGING YOU PLEASE"...
Yeah you're right....it does sound better. ;<)
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
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I think you are wrong.
I suspect that you would not survive in the ghetto or the jungle for
long.
Survival requires intelligence and learning.
Just because they don't have the skills that you expect does not mean
they are incapable of learning.
TMT
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Hmm...maybe you don't realize that humanity came from those jungles in
Africa?
Have your DNA checked...I guarantee you that your blood line is
running a bit on the dark side.
Of course you would have to understand Western science to realize that
I speaking the truth.
TMT
terryc
Yep, right after we get flying cars.
Tim May
<753a83eb-d979-48f9...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hmm...maybe you don't realize that humanity came from those jungles in
> Africa?
>
> Have your DNA checked...I guarantee you that your blood line is
> running a bit on the dark side.
>
> Of course you would have to understand Western science to realize that
> I speaking the truth.
>
> TMT
Fucking blissninny.
--Tim May
Tim May
<a343408b-cc78-4db4...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I think you are wrong.
>
> I suspect that you would not survive in the ghetto or the jungle for
> long.
>
> Survival requires intelligence and learning.
>
> Just because they don't have the skills that you expect does not mean
> they are incapable of learning.
>
Well, aren't you just _precious_!
Platitudes about whether we could fight off the niggers in the 'hood.
Personally, I avoid nigger neighborhoods. Nothing of interest to buy,
no reason to enter them, and white people have built highways and
freeways which skirt these darktowns.
Would I survive a firefight in a nigger 'hood? Hard to say. Depends on
how much firepower they directed against me, whether my various illegal
assault weapons would be a match for their "don't ask, don't tell"
weapons their nigger ward captains allow them.
I think ultimately the nigger is extincting himself.
--Tim May
Tim May
<not_...@bogus.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:08:58 +1000, terryc
> <newssixs...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:17:59 -0400, strabo wrote:
> >
> >
> >> That's one helluva comeback.
> >>
> >> Just address the issue - comprehending Western sciences requires
> >> more than learning pidgin English. Natives from the ghetto or the
> >> jungle are not educable.
> >
> >Or, the trainers were not capable of doing the job required. More likely
> >everyone was being screwed for resources.
>
> I can tell a story similar to Tim's in a different hi-tech industry
> marginally related to semi. Our managers are convinced they can hire
> in a failed burger flipper, give them a half hour training, and turn
> them loose. "All they have to do is follow the procedure". They
> always wonder why they take a yield hit when an experience operator
> leaves and a fry cook takes over. But, hey, it's cheap that way.
> Never mind the expensive product that hit the trash.
The problem is not with the core genetics of the people, but their
culture and their past education.
We tried to teach basic science and logic and math to semi-educated
immigrants, and failed utterly. Which is not surprising, in retrospect.
Kids who have not learned the basics of science, language, reason,
logic, and math by 10 to 12 will, basically, never get it.
I used to despair of talking to a Filipino operator who didn't
understand even the simplest points about causation, science,
experiment. Everything was "Then you put the devices in the Fail bin,
you understand, Inez?"
Contrast that with the quick-witted Americans I had working for me!
Alas, that was 30 years ago. Today's kids are even more ignorant than
Inez was.
The age of America is coming to an end. At least a billion dirt people
in Africa and other Turd World nations are sinking even faster.
--Tim May
strabo
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:17:59 -0400, strabo wrote:
>
>
>> That's one helluva comeback.
>>
>> Just address the issue - comprehending Western sciences requires
>> more than learning pidgin English. Natives from the ghetto or the
>> jungle are not educable.
>
> Or, the trainers were not capable of doing the job required. More likely
> everyone was being screwed for resources.
>
I don't wish to insult anyone so I'd better explain my shorthand.
This issue has to do with technical proficiency and instilling
confidence and credibility.
I'll add a few words to my last sentence...
Natives from the ghetto or the jungle are not educable to the degree
Tim May implied.
...and some detail to my thought...
Education is more than reading a book and regurgitating its contents.
To be educated means that one can interweave complex concepts from
multiple disciplines and derive unique meaning and purpose. But even
that is not enough. One must also be able transmit and receive these
complexities.
Inter-personal communication skills are paramount. One may know a
lot but he must be able to apply what he knows. This usually involves
other people. These skills are used to convey technical ideas
interlaced with cultural and societal nuance that others can understand.
Only the languages of music and mathematics can immediately bypass the
problems inherent in cross-cultural communications. The more complex
the subject at hand the greater the problems of communication become.
It is unrealistic to take *an adult* from a *subsistence society* and
place him in a *foreign culture* with the expectation of educating
him to perform at a *top level*.
Thus I said, "natives from the ghetto or the jungle are not educable."
Studies concerning adapting feral children to human society are
instructive.
>
> I don't blame the poor bastards who jumped at te chance of a better life,
> but rather the people above them that just failed to understand that arse
> kissing is arse kissing whether in "the jungle" or in the city.
>
>
strabo
>>
>> Just address the issue - comprehending Western sciences requires
>> more than learning pidgin English. Natives from the ghetto or the
>> jungle are not educable.
>>
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> I think you are wrong.
>
Well, the availability of Americans with necessary technical proficiency
and inter-personal communications skills has fallen so low that
engineers and scientists are sought elsewhere, but not in jungles or
ghettos.
>
> I suspect that you would not survive in the ghetto or the jungle for
> long.
>
Maybe not.
>
> Survival requires intelligence and learning.
>
Earthworms survive and adapt.
>
> Just because they don't have the skills that you expect does not mean
> they are incapable of learning.
>
See my response to 'terryc'.
>
> TMT
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Tim May
> Education is more than reading a book and regurgitating its contents.
> To be educated means that one can interweave complex concepts from
> multiple disciplines and derive unique meaning and purpose. But even
> that is not enough. One must also be able transmit and receive these
> complexities.
I found, as one who interviewed potential candidate for employment by
Intel, that education was waning in the 1980s. I left in '86. Nothing I
have seen since then convinces me that this trend was reversed, nor
even halted.
Those who came of age in the 60s are unable to understand the "reading
be fo' whitey" backlash of the 80s and 90s.
Friends of mine who still work in the chip industry report the not
surprising facts of life: young workers today barely read at the 10th
grade level (the 10th grade of 1970, that is) and cannot understand
straightforward instructions. Doing experiments is of course beyond
them, as they are not even at the 8th grade level of laboratory
procedure.
I have colleagues in the Silicon Valley who prefer to work
long-distance with technicians in China over numbnut dimwits in Silicon
Valley. "No Child Left Behind = Everyone a Dimwit."
>
> Thus I said, "natives from the ghetto or the jungle are not educable."
>
> Studies concerning adapting feral children to human society are
> instructive.
The aptly named "feral children" are uneducable.
In my years in the Silicon Valley, we had a large pool of children and
young adults from a region called "East Palo Alto," which was
overwhelmingly negroid for most of the 1950s-70s. Virtually no people
(er, "peeps") from East Palo Alto were employed just a few miles away,
in Palo Alto, Mountain View, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara, etc.
(The city has become less negroid in the past decade or so, as Indians
and Asian acquire properties. The previous residents have taken to
callling this purchase process "genocide." Most of us think of it as
"long overdue.")
I recall two negro engineers who worked for Intel, even as several
hundred Taiwanese and Indian engineers also worked for Intel. The two
negroes were let go for cause and then sued Intel for "diskiminashun!!"
grounds, but they eventually lost.
Fact is, the negro has gutterized himself. In the richest land on
Earth, he has gutterized himself, and extincted himself. We might have
thought we needed to exterminate the negro, for his crimes, but he is
doing it to himself.
The accelerating move of the American chip industry to China will
finish the job (and also finish off a lot of dreadlock and jive-ass
white Americans who somehow thought they were white niggers....indeed
they were, niggers).
--Tim May
Bill
94795c...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
<snip>
> bedpans AND even wipe his ass for him!
>
Something like that is likely to spawn a 'peta' like group, 'PETOR', People
for the Ethical Treatment Of Robots, because even a robot shouldn't have to
do something like THAT.
Bill
terryc
>> Have your DNA checked...I guarantee you that your blood line is
>> running a bit on the dark side.
>>
>> Of course you would have to understand Western science to realize that
>> I speaking the truth.
>>
> Fucking blissninny.
Hmm, bit close to the truth there Timmy?
terryc
Considering that some of these subsitence socieities have some very
interesting and complex musical forms....
> It is unrealistic to take *an adult* from a *subsistence society* and
> place him in a *foreign culture* with the expectation of educating him
> to perform at a *top level*.
Many jobs do not require anyone to operate at "top level". Many people
from our society have an enormous problem operating at even a sustainable
level.
As has been stated, the real problem were at the management level.
afterall, who is runnngthe place?
As to language, we have an illiterate italian neighbour who has
successfully worked in this english speaking country with for decades
becuse the factory solved the language problem by only employing
supervisdors who could speak Italian. Similar stuations elsewhere. One of
the biggest brand in cat and dog food is largely staffed by ?Korean
speaking people.
> Studies concerning adapting feral children to human society are
> instructive.
Feral children are not subsitence society.
Too_Many_Tools
Actually I tend to agree *shudder* with Tim on this one.
The out of wed birth rate, the absent father, the high murder rate,
the decline in education...none of these are positive trends for any
racial mix.
White, black, red, yellow or Tim...if you don't work on your survival
traits Nature is not going to do it for you.
TMT
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You have a good point here about communication.
One wonders in the future when a Chinese company hires an illegal
American alien to work in their factory how well that will work out
when the American doesn't speak the language and lacks the needed
education....and the company does not allow resources for training.
I can just hear the cursing about those stupid white bastards.....
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> In article <qgtv04lld3ure0gf1od15i12aqq5005...@4ax.com>, Winston_Smith
>
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>
> The problem is not with the core genetics of the people, but their
> culture and their past education.
>
Again I agree with you on this specific point.
It also applies to any race or gender.
You get what you invest.
TMT
Sue
wrote:
>I was thinking of you when I wrote the subject line. I figured you'd
>like the mental image.
Absolutely.
Sue
George_Kleist
Ironically, you may yet end up in the care of "those people" when
you're too old and rickety to press the "esc" key on your computer.
You'd be better off with an immigrant Flip than a Wetback cunt with
"cuandera" pretensions, who would be sure to spike your meds with some
of her vaginal or anal secretions... assuring that your death would be
slower and much more degenerative.
Too_Many_Tools
>
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmm...maybe you don't realize that humanity came from those jungles in
> > Africa?
>
> > Have your DNA checked...I guarantee you that your blood line is
> > running a bit on the dark side.
>
> > Of course you would have to understand Western science to realize that
> > I speaking the truth.
>
> > TMT
>
> Fucking blissninny.
>
> --Tim May
Blissninny?
Tim...I never figured you to be a New Age child of the Universe ;<)
"Blissninny" is a word sometimes used in New Age and A Course In
Miracles circles to describe people who only focus on the positive
things in the world and try to make others focus only on the positive.
Hmmm. I could be worse things...like a Republican?
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:11:03 -0700, Tim May
>
> <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> >I found, as one who interviewed potential candidate for employment by
> >Intel, that education was waning in the 1980s. I left in '86. Nothing I
> >have seen since then convinces me that this trend was reversed, nor
> >even halted.
>
> >Those who came of age in the 60s are unable to understand the "reading
> >be fo' whitey" backlash of the 80s and 90s.
>
> >Friends of mine who still work in the chip industry report the not
> >surprising facts of life: young workers today barely read at the 10th
> >grade level (the 10th grade of 1970, that is) and cannot understand
> >straightforward instructions.
>
> pictures. My pocket PC is almost exclusively icon driven because of
> the tiny screen. You can go from one cell phone to another brand and
> figure it out from the pictures. Ditto for a stereo, TV, or
> automobile dash. Nobody cracks a manual - if there is one.
>
> Take a look at a McDonalds order station. At least some of them have
> pictures instead of words. Youngsters with something to say don't
> write an article, they make a video.
>
> It does transcend language differences. For millenniums man passed
> his history and wisdom from one generation to the next orally. As a
> culture we may be going back to that way of doing things. The
> downside is that it's hard to express a technical or math concept of
> any complexity in pictures. Esoteric knowledge will again be limited
> to philosophers and priests.
>
> >Doing experiments is of course beyond
> >them, as they are not even at the 8th grade level of laboratory
> >procedure.
>
> prove. That doesn't fit with our culture where even the worse kid on
> the worse team gets a nice shinny metal and a trophy.
Oh man...an icon of Tim on a bedpan...that is way more information
than I needed.
Maybe they will crack a manual to get toilet paper for Tim?
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:41:34 +1000, terryc
I hear there is a sequel coming...."Tim and LaTasha"
TMT
strabo
I was speaking to poster Tim May's experience as well as the
current practice of outsourcing of jobs due to diminished
availability of expertise in the US.
>
> As has been stated, the real problem were at the management level.
> afterall, who is runnngthe place?
>
You can't bullshit your way through science and engineering problems.
You have to know what you're doing. Then you have to communicate
with others. The job at hand determines the level of proficiency not
management.
strabo
I think we can be sure that there are no illegal aliens working
in China or Japan.
>
> I can just hear the cursing about those stupid white bastards.....
>
> TMT
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strabo
You were insulted.
"Bliss ninny" is a pejorative term referring to a person who is
unrealistically optimistic, a Pollyanna who prefers to retreat
rather than take uncomfortable positions.
>
> Hmmm. I could be worse things...like a Republican?
>
>
> TMT
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> > You have a good point here about communication.
>
> > One wonders in the future when a Chinese company hires an illegal
> > American alien to work in their factory how well that will work out
> > when the American doesn't speak the language and lacks the needed
> > education....and the company does not allow resources for training.
>
> I think we can be sure that there are no illegal aliens working
> in China or Japan.
>
> >
>
> > I can just hear the cursing about those stupid white bastards.....
>
> > TMT
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So where will all the Americans go to work when there are no jobs in
the United States?
Mexico?
TMT
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Insulted?
By Tim?
You must be mistakened...Tim never does that. ;<)
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
>
> > > Conservatives are the ones who consistently breed like rabbits.
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> > That's one helluva comeback.
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> > Just address the issue - comprehending Western sciences requires
> > more than learning pidgin English. Natives from the ghetto or the
> > jungle are not educable.
>
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> Africa?
>
> Have your DNA checked...I guarantee you that your blood line is
> running a bit on the dark side.
>
> Of course you would have to understand Western science to realize that
> I speaking the truth.
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Hey strabo...here's a little of that Western science.
Now once again, how dark is that blood line of yours?
TMT
Study says near extinction threatened people 70,00 years ago By
RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science Writer
Thu Apr 24
Human beings may have had a brush with extinction 70,000 years ago, an
extensive genetic study suggests. The human population at that time
was reduced to small isolated groups in Africa, apparently because of
drought, according to an analysis released Thursday.
The report notes that a separate study by researchers at Stanford
University estimated the number of early humans may have shrunk as low
as 2,000 before numbers began to expand again in the early Stone Age.
"This study illustrates the extraordinary power of genetics to reveal
insights into some of the key events in our species' history," Spencer
Wells, National Geographic Society explorer in residence, said in a
statement. "Tiny bands of early humans, forced apart by harsh
environmental conditions, coming back from the brink to reunite and
populate the world. Truly an epic drama, written in our DNA."
Wells is director of the Genographic Project, launched in 2005 to
study anthropology using genetics. The report was published in the
American Journal of Human Genetics.
Previous studies using mitochondrial DNA — which is passed down
through mothers — have traced modern humans to a single "mitochondrial
Eve," who lived in Africa about 200,000 years ago.
The migrations of humans out of Africa to populate the rest of the
world appear to have begun about 60,000 years ago, but little has been
known about humans between Eve and that dispersal.
The new study looks at the mitochondrial DNA of the Khoi and San
people in South Africa which appear to have diverged from other people
between 90,000 and 150,000 years ago.
The researchers led by Doron Behar of Rambam Medical Center in Haifa,
Israel and Saharon Rosset of IBM T.J. Watson Research Center in
Yorktown Heights, N.Y., and Tel Aviv University concluded that humans
separated into small populations prior to the Stone Age, when they
came back together and began to increase in numbers and spread to
other areas.
Eastern Africa experienced a series of severe droughts between 135,000
and 90,000 years ago and the researchers said this climatological
shift may have contributed to the population changes, dividing into
small, isolated groups which developed independently.
Paleontologist Meave Leakey, a Genographic adviser, commented: "Who
would have thought that as recently as 70,000 years ago, extremes of
climate had reduced our population to such small numbers that we were
on the very edge of extinction."
Today more than 6.6 billion people inhabit the globe, according to the
U.S. Census Bureau.
The research was funded by the National Geographic Society, IBM, the
Waitt Family Foundation, the Seaver Family Foundation, Family Tree DNA
and Arizona Research Labs.
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On the Net:
The Genographic Project: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic
strabo
> On Apr 23, 11:26 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 23, 10:17 am, strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>> Hmm...maybe you don't realize that humanity came from those jungles in
>> Africa?
>>
Actually, I had in mind the jungles of Central America. Africans are
not a significant educational factor in the US.
>
>> Have your DNA checked...I guarantee you that your blood line is
>> running a bit on the dark side.
>>
>> Of course you would have to understand Western science to realize that
>> I speaking the truth.
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> Hey strabo...here's a little of that Western science.
>
> Now once again, how dark is that blood line of yours?
>
1. The scientific materialists have convinced you that 70,000 years
ago Homo Sapiens, having mutated from ape-like creatures, was
confined to an area known today as Africa.
2. Further you have been led to believe that from this band of
intrepid adventurers all mankind has come.
3. Having made these associations you choose to conclude that
these first humans were Negroes and that all humans today are
part Negro and that anyone who criticizes your beliefs is a
mental dwarf and a racist.
And the evidence for these breathtaking conclusions? Statistical
assumptions based on a DNA analysis of one chromosomal component.
How convenient that the chief victims and welfare beneficiaries of
of western society are suddenly catapulted to a position of superiority.
What do I think of it? I think there are so many holes in the "Out
of Africa" theory that it would sink in a nanosecond were it not
for the government money paid to Marxist academics to promote
such crap.
It is a political and money game based on little evidence while
ignoring the contrary.
You've been brainwashed.
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terryc
> What do I think of it? I think there are so many holes in the "Out
> of Africa" theory that it would sink in a nanosecond
I'm interested, provide it doesn't come from any source ever quoted by
knews.....
Tim May
> terryc wrote:
> >
> > As has been stated, the real problem were at the management level.
> > afterall, who is runnngthe place?
Nonsense. Management cannot suddenly implant basic knowledge or even
simple English skills into the minds of illiterate peasants who
(ostensibly) have high school diplomas.
The operators I described were, increasingly, unable to follow simple
instructions. They were high school graduates (we did not hire high
school dropouts for any positions save janitorial and loading dock
work) who were not able to read simple specs and procedures and
actually understand them.
>
> >
> > As to language, we have an illiterate italian neighbour who has
> > successfully worked in this english speaking country with for decades
> > becuse the factory solved the language problem by only employing
> > supervisdors who could speak Italian.
Most businesses won't, or can't, hire a special supvervisor to
supervise someone who speaks only Italian, or Xuatacatl or Basque or
whatever. Same reason they won't hire people to translate GUI stuff for
a blind person.
> > Similar stuations elsewhere. One of
> > the biggest brand in cat and dog food is largely staffed by ?Korean
> > speaking people.
I never said non-English-speaking folks have no job prospects. Making
cat food is one of them. Picking crops is another. Working in ethnic
restaurants yet another.
What I said was the the best jobs, in high tech, are being moved to
countries where educational standards have remained high. And, no, in
China most of the factory workers Intel is now hiring do not speak
English. But they can understand detailed instructions written in
Mandarin. They are literate in Mandarin. Americans with high school
degrees are increasingly illiterate even in their native languages.
> >
>
> >
> >> Studies concerning adapting feral children to human society are
> >> instructive.
> >
> > Feral children are not subsitence society.
Feral children unemployable in modern industries.
--Tim May
Tim May
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> In Message-ID:<250420081112454294%tim...@removethis.got.net> posted on
> Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:12:45 -0700, Tim May wrote: Begin
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> >Americans with high school
> >degrees are increasingly illiterate even in their native languages.
>
> Maybe San Diego's proximity to the entry point skews the perception,
> but I find an amazing number of Spanish (however slang mangled it is)
> speakers to be illiterate in their native language.
> Could it be that those analfabetos can't make it in LA and return,
> or never even get there in the first place?
This is true even much farther north in El Norte. Mexicans and blacks,
especially those under around 40, treat learning of any kind to be some
kind of "white" thing. Too many articles have appeared on this trend
for me to start citing them here. Basically, Mexican and black kids in
high school are seen as "coconuts" (brown on the outside, white on the
inside), as "Unca Toms," as "race traitors" if they learn the white
man's language, his mathematics, his literature, his science.
I think it's hilarious. The are committing themselves to a lifetime of
either drug dealing or menial work, or prison, or both.
--Tim May
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So you are unable to understand Western science then?
Thought so.
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
I might point out Tim that right now billions of non-English-speaking
folks in China are working for the future that you will not have.
TMT
Jerry
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And just how many billions of people do you think are in China?
1 Billions or Too Many Billions? LOL!
Just FYI, in a few years, there will be more English speakers in China
than in the USA.
terryc
> In article <1209094344_622@isp.n>, strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
>
>> terryc wrote:
>
>> >
>> > As has been stated, the real problem were at the management level.
>> > afterall, who is runnngthe place?
>
> Nonsense. Management cannot suddenly implant basic knowledge or even
> simple English skills into the minds of illiterate peasants who
> (ostensibly) have high school diplomas.
Lol, then why did they hire them?
Time and time again, I've seen and done it myself; taken people that
higher up made similar comments about and showed/trained/explianed to them
how to do something they were considered unsuitable or unable to do.
Most of it came down to communicating with the person and understandig
their concepts to explain it in a meaningful way.
Dan
Strabo is quite knowledgeable in politics and some aspects of political
and religious history, but he does not have a clue when delving into the
mysteries of science or economics.
I don't really know if that is a failure of education or ideology. I'm
not sure it really matters.
Dan
Dan
1.3 billion, which is more than one billion, thus "billions" <plural>.
> Just FYI, in a few years, there will be more English speakers in China
> than in the USA.
Thanks for supporting the point he was making to the previous poster.
Dan
Dan
I've written "simple specs and procedures" professionally. They are
VERY hard to write, and depend far more on the person's knowledge of the
terminology and procedures associated with the process than with their
proficiency in basic English.
It is a common 5-6 grade English exercise to have students write step by
step procedures for simple tasks (like using a drinking fountain), then
act the written procedures out literally for the class. It can be quite
fun and enlightening!
Even disregarding translation problems, how many user manuals can you
follow without bringing a lot of outside experience to the table?
Without more info, we cannot evaluate the prior poster's assertions.
Dan
Strabo
A fraction of a whole is not its equivalent. Thus 1.3 is not "billions".
It is one billion plus a fraction of a potential billion.
Dan
Says who? You?
Pardon me if I do not take your word for it, but rather rely upon more
educated sources. They all say "more than one." 1.3 is more than one,
thus plural, thus requiring the plural form. Note that the plural form
of the "-illion" words is either with or without the "s" suffix, unless
the numerical value is unspecified, whereupon the "-s" suffix is required.
Thus, "Billions" is correct.
Thanks for playing.
Dan
Jerry
Your educated sources must be pretty stupid then. If you have two
apples, which is greater than one, you don't have billions of apples.
They must sound pretty educated, saying things like 5 billions, ten
billions, one hundred billions. LOL! Look how smart you are! It must
have taken you billions of years to get so smart. :)
Jerry
>Pardon me if I do not take your word for it, but rather rely upon more
>educated sources. They all say "more than one."
Product of a liberal education system.
Jerry
>They all say "more than one." 1.3 is more than one,
>thus plural, thus requiring the plural form.
That would be 1.3 billions, according to you and your smart people.
Too_Many_Tools
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And how many Chinese speaking Americans will there be?
Or will we still be playing the "No Republican Left Behind" nonsense?
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
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LOL..do you think he knew that he was doing just that? ;<)
TMT
Dan
Thank deity of choice. Were they not, they might sound like you...
Dan
Dan
I guess so, if you say so...
> If you have two
> apples, which is greater than one, you don't have billions of apples.
Did you have a point, besides sounding stupid?
> They must sound pretty educated, saying things like 5 billions, ten
> billions, one hundred billions. LOL!
Certainly more educated than you.
> Look how smart you are! It must
> have taken you billions of years to get so smart. :)
Hey, if you say so...
Sad when the uneducated try to make fun of people who have a clue...
Dan
Dan
Dan
That is one way to say it...
Sad that you never learned to READ, though you DID learn how to clip out
the relevant parts that SHOW you failed in reading class in high school:
"Note that the plural form of the "-illion" words is either with or
without the "s" suffix, unless the numerical value is unspecified,
whereupon the "-s" suffix is required."
If you had any intelligence, you'd feel like an ass about now.
Dan
Dan
Jerry, never (as his other replies to me show).
Dan
Jerry
I can point you to many links where you would be proven wrong, but
since you didn't learn it correctly in school, it would be a waste of
time. Better if you learn it as a life lesson someday.
Dan
Well, no, you can't. I DID learn it correctly in school, in fact, and
have used the knowledge in a long life of writing, both professionally
and amateur (even though it was far from a favorite when in school).
Life lessons learned (and still being learned, unlike you in both respects).
The waste of time is trying to get "Jerry" to admit any fault.
Dan