buying a 55 gallon drum
John Mackey
Where does one get a 55 gallon drum in a small city? I'm not
looking forward to the prospect of an all-day goose chase for one.
Anyone who's been to Home Depot, etc, knows you can't get something
like this there.
JJM
Wubba
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I constantly see them for sale in the bulletinboard/classifieds type paper
that comes out once a week.
Wubba
John Mackey
> I constantly see them for sale in the bulletinboard/classifieds type
> paper that comes out once a week.
Cool, I'll check there. Maybe posting a classified ad asking for
one might help too.
JJM
JC from Gnat Flats
gallon drum for about 3 years now. We surrounded it with cinder block and
other than needing a paint job, it still works fine. You might find one of
those a bit easier to locate.
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Lou T. Fisk©
em...@no-email.com says...
Every plumber, recycling center, and dump has some junk water heaters.
The tank from one of those makes a perfect burn barrel. A few seconds
with a torch, or a few minutes with a hacksaw, and violá! you have a
burn barrel. A few more minutes with a torch to put air holes around the
bottom (up a few inches so the ash doesn't plug the holes), and you have
a better burn barrel.
Or you could come get mine, since the county doesn't allow burn barrels
any more.
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Try the local newspaper, their ink may come in barrels. Locally, we have an
oil company that supplies oil for agriculture and the trucking industry,
they have 'em, too.
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Gary W. Sandvik
Hi,
John, you might check with a local municipality water system. They usually
have barrels for the taking. They cannot seem to give them away quick
enough around here.
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Michael
"Jan Flora" >
> Try a shop that services semi trucks or heavy equipment. They buy oil
> and gear lube in bulk, in steel drums. If you tell them that you want
> a leaker, they'll probably put it in the pickup for you, just to get rid
> of it : )
Be careful what has been in the barrel.
I went to pick up ten or so at a local chemical plant a few years ago and
ended up not getting them due to the "nasties" that had been shipped in
them.
Some were meant for burn barrels, some for BBQ smokers and some for charcoal
grills.
mjb
Lou T. Fisk©
> Where does the county not allow burn barrels?
It's a state law in Washington (state). The county enforces it.
When the county officials have tried to justify it, the root argument is
that SOME people MIGHT burn plastics and other hazardous items.
Therefore, burn barrels are evil.
> > Or you could come get mine, since the county doesn't allow burn barrels
> > any more.
>
>
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> In article <3C11355E...@netdoor.com>, van...@netdoor.com says...
>
> > Where does the county not allow burn barrels?
>
> It's a state law in Washington (state). The county enforces it.
>
> When the county officials have tried to justify it, the root argument is
> that SOME people MIGHT burn plastics and other hazardous items.
> Therefore, burn barrels are evil.
>
Oh, so you burn those items outside the barrel, right?
Ken Finney
a barbeque.
Lou T. Fisk©
jcco...@wcnet.net says...
They've lightened up on the implementation. If
- there is a burn ban in effect (usually a summer thing), all outdoor
burning is prohibited
- if there is no burn ban, then yard/logging waste piles under 4'
diameter don't require a permit; over 4' diameter requires a permit;
Under no circumstances are we allowed to burn outdoors, anything but
yard/logging waste.
I have a friend whose solution is to burn trash (including plastics and
treated wood) in his woodstove. He lives in a neighborhood with small
lots. The neighbors must love his smoke.
Lou T. Fisk©
says...
> But barbeques aren't. No one ever said you had to cook food on
> a barbeque.
Next time you burn trash in your barbie, let's call the sheriff or
pollution cops over for an interpretation of the law. Let me know when:
I'll bring popcorn for the spectators.
RSMEINER
Randy
Maren Purves
I'm about to replace ours with a rusted-through metal trash can.
The trash can is still in better shape than the burn can is.
The previous one I found, didn't ask what had been in it, it
had been full of water when I got it (I had first found it a few
years earlier). Otherwise those things are expensive around here.
On the side: here they allow it if you're more than 500 ft away
from the neighbors, unless there is a burning ban in effect, of
course - our area occasionally has brush fires that burn several
thousand acres.
Maren
(still on the same rock in the middle of the Pacific)
George Willer
Our new gung-ho volunteer fire chief announced at a public meeting a few
years ago that he intended to enforce Ohio's new law outlawing ALL outdoor
burning without permits. Every fire requires a new permit. The state gave
him the power to do so, but not the means. The county sheriff was at the
same meeting. I invited both to come watch my next fire at a stated time
later in the week. I asked the sheriff if he intended to lead me away in
handcuffs, so I would know what to tell the newspaper. He laughed. It has
been a few years, and I have replaced my barrel a couple times since, but
neither has been here yet.
It's all about power. If these guys really cared about pollution, they'd do
something about all those !#$%^ plastic bags that blow all over the
landscape.
George Willer
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Ray Manning
> It's a state law in Washington (state). The county enforces it.
>
> When the county officials have tried to justify it, the root argument is
> that SOME people MIGHT burn plastics and other hazardous items.
> Therefore, burn barrels are evil.
>
>
I've seen plenty of barrels going in Clark county. The county once told me
that it was a federal law that says they are illegal (part of the clean air
act?).
Larry Caldwell
Seems to me that burning things in it is a waste of a good drum, but
whatever rings your chimes.
If you want good teflon lined food grade drums, try an ice cream outfit.
They get syrups in 55 gallon drums. I have even got drums with a couple
pounds of leftover chocolate topping left in the bottom.
These make great feed barrels for livestock. There isn't a mouse made
that can chew through a 55 gallon steel drum. They are also great dry
storage for the barn. You can put anything you want to keep in them,
toss in a couple pound sack of silica gel desiccant, and seal them down
against the rubber gasket in the lid. Stuff will keep dry and rodent
free for years. Spray your artillery down with hot cosmoline, seal it in
a few of these drums, and you can forget about it for years. A word of
warning: if you fill a 55 gallon drum with ammo it gets really *heavy*.
Put the barrel on a pallet, because you will need a forklift or pallet
jack to move it.
Another tip: if you have barn storage that you don't want the idle
curious snooping into, get a biohazard stencil and a can of red spray
paint. Put biohazard markings on the sides and tops, maybe with a few
"DANGER" signs. That is enough to keep even most casual crooks honest.
Scott Daniels
(someone else mentioned this, too). This place had put a classified ad in the
paper advertising the barrels. After they are done with the ink, they cut off
the tops and resell the drums as trash barrels. The barrels cost me $5 a piece.
I was not replacing a barrel but just getting started burning for the first
time after cancelling some overpriced monthly trash service, which is available
where I live in the country but burning is unregulated and free. Based on some
advice I got here in this newsgroup, I shot one barrel full of holes with my
rifle to create air holes for the fire, and enlarged some of the holes with a
chisel, and I held back the other barrel for when it is needed.
I burned for the first time a few days ago. I am still looking for an expanded
metal mesh screen for the top of the barrel, but I got some good ideas where to
find one based on advice from this newsgroup. I burned without a screen the
first time because I had a full load ready and there was no wind whatsoever and
so I thought I'd try out my new barrel. It went pretty good, but I am just
getting started so I am sure that there is a lot for me to learn.
Scott
Harry K
Been there, done that but never again. Burn barrels are frowned upon
here and lighting off an ink barrel for the first time will advertise
to everyone in 10 miles what you are doing. I never saw such a column
of black smoke in my life.
Of course if you can clean it out first...
Harry K
Scott Daniels
who sold me the barrels said the ink is made out of soybeans. In any case,
burning is OK where I live, and I think I was the last person in my area not to
do it.
Sylvia Steiger
Metal: found free from local truck repair place but used to contain
antifreeze--wouldn't matter for your burning but I had wanted it for a
composting barrel, so now it's my bonfire-container.
Plastic: found free from one car wash out of 30 or so in town. Most
places don't get their soap in 55-gal drums, the few who do had a
deposit on them so were unwilling to give them away. One lone car wash
manager was delighted to hear from someone who wanted the plastic drums
she was having trouble getting removed -- the city trash wouldn't take
them. She's thrilled to get rid of them, I'm thrilled to get them!
Between composting barrels and heat storage for a planned cold frame, I
will be able to use LOTS of them!
None of the other suggestions people made worked out for me. No local
pickle factory, Wal-Mart/Sam's/Home Depot/farm supply etc. don't sell
them, couldn't find an office cleaning service that had them to get rid
of, never have seen any for sale or giveaway in the local ad rag. (Not
that I wasn't grateful for all the suggestions, they just didn't work
out here.)
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Wubba
> None of the other suggestions people made worked out for me. No local
> pickle factory, Wal-Mart/Sam's/Home Depot/farm supply etc. don't sell
> them, couldn't find an office cleaning service that had them to get rid
> of, never have seen any for sale or giveaway in the local ad rag. (Not
> that I wasn't grateful for all the suggestions, they just didn't work
> out here.)
>
> --
> Sylvia Steiger RN BS
I see them (blue plastic barrels) advertised as previously containing fruit
juices. Whoever uses juices in that amount might be another source.
Wubba
John Eaton
: I've seen plenty of barrels going in Clark county. The county once told me
: that it was a federal law that says they are illegal (part of the clean air
: act?).
If your anywhere near Vancouver it's an epa violation only. Theres a line some
where around 159 st that marks the limit. The fire chief only seems to care
about the late summer fire season ban so if you don't turn your neighbor in and
they don't turn you in then your ok.
I get about a 2 month window each year when all the blown down limbs are dry
enough to burn but before fire ban is put into effect to get everything gathered
up and torched.
John Eaton
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> Ray Manning (re...@newsgroup.net) wrote:
>
>
> : I've seen plenty of barrels going in Clark county. The county once told me
> : that it was a federal law that says they are illegal (part of the clean air
> : act?).
Washington Administrative Code 173-425
http://search.leg.wa.gov/pub/textsearch/ViewRoot.asp?Action=Html&Item=4
&X=1210115855&p=1
> If your anywhere near Vancouver it's an epa violation only. Theres a line some
> where around 159 st that marks the limit. The fire chief only seems to care
> about the late summer fire season ban so if you don't turn your neighbor in and
> they don't turn you in then your ok.
The tough new rules took effect Jan. 1, 2001.
Our county got aggressive, then backed down somewhat. However, the fire
marshall, fire chief, or a designee has the authority to
* determine the legality of your burn
* issue a citation
* assess fines
At this point just about any outdoor fire is illegal; if you don't want
a legal battle, then ask in advance what they'll allow. When I asked
about barrels, the man said absolutely not - and cited state law. He
didn't seem thoroughly committed, though.
> I get about a 2 month window each year when all the blown down limbs are dry
> enough to burn but before fire ban is put into effect to get everything gathered
> up and torched.
Or wait until the ban is lifted after the rains start in the Fall.
I'm still trying to figure out why a barrel with a screen on top is
worse than an open pile.
Charles Stoyer
(this was a few years ago). They had both plastic and steel drums, and they
came with vinegar, canola oil and things like that in them.
Of course, plastic drums won't work for burn barrels, but they are useful
for other things.
Charles.
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> Need to replace my trash fire barrel that came with the house.
>
> Where does one get a 55 gallon drum in a small city? I'm not
> looking forward to the prospect of an all-day goose chase for one.
> Anyone who's been to Home Depot, etc, knows you can't get something
> like this there.
>
> JJM
Dave Green
>Where does one get a 55 gallon drum in a small city?
Well, you'll probably have to go outside the city, but if you can find a
commercial beekeeper, you'll find drums. Ask him for a leaker, and you may get
it free. You won't have to worry about chemicals, as he only uses food grade
drums.
You can find beekeepers by checking who sells honey at the local produce
stands, by calling your county extension agent, or by checking your area in the
list of beekeepers who do pollination at the page below. Commercial beekeepers
are now apt to be more into pollination service than honey, but still produce
honey as a sideline.
Other possibilities, large bakeries get trough grease in drums. It's a bitch
to clean, but for a burn barrel you might just burn out the grease.
Canning factories, especially if they are doing juice, often have thousands
of emptry drums from imported fruit concentrates (which are killing our US
fruit growers, but that's another story). I've bought hundreds for $2-3 apiece.
Those who are making candy will often have drums of various mixes, oils,
etc. Many used to get corn syrup in drums, and some may still, but probably get
it in tankers now.
Polli...@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA
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John Eaton
: I'm still trying to figure out why a barrel with a screen on top is
: worse than an open pile.
If you read the law it sounds like you can be busted for smoking a cigarette
outside.
John Eaton
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inte...@earthlink.net says...
> Try beverage companies. I found one in Denver that sells drums for $15-25
> (this was a few years ago). They had both plastic and steel drums, and they
> came with vinegar, canola oil and things like that in them.
>
> Of course, plastic drums won't work for burn barrels, but they are useful
> for other things.
They will work for for burn barrels, but you probably wouldn't be happy
with the results ;o)
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Nick Hull
Popular Demand© <KEEPYOURgrey...@snotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm still trying to figure out why a barrel with a screen on top is
> worse than an open pile.
You don't light an open pile, some vandal does it when you are not looking
and you only contain the fire & keep it safe. You really wanted it to
decay naturally. If you have a burn barrel that is proof you intended to
have a fire.
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nh...@mindspring.com says...
> In article <MPG.167eb6b66...@news.earthlink.net>, Back By
> Popular Demand© <KEEPYOURgrey...@snotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm still trying to figure out why a barrel with a screen on top is
> > worse than an open pile.
>
> You don't light an open pile, some vandal does it when you are not looking
> and you only contain the fire & keep it safe. You really wanted it to
> decay naturally. If you have a burn barrel that is proof you intended to
> have a fire.
Honest, officer. That's how it happened.
davefr
drums and these small shops usually beg to find homes for their spent barrels.
You can also try a fuel jobber but they charge for them.
In article <Xns917090A5652BF...@207.217.77.24>, John Mackey
says...
Dave Keyes
CocaCola bottler. Pepsi guy has the same, I'm sure. They're $5 each.
They're very thick sides and the lids are still attached with the small
screw-out taps on the top. Great bargain.
"Bob Adkins" <bo...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:16:37 -0500, "Wubba"
> <wu...@SPAMFREEskywardinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> >I see them (blue plastic barrels) advertised as previously containing
fruit
> >juices. Whoever uses juices in that amount might be another source.
> >Wubba
>
>
> My wife works at a dialysis clinic, and I can get all the heavy blue
plastic
> drums I need. Got one for tractor diesel, 1 for water for my high pressure
> washer to wash the tractor.
>
> Just drill a 5/8 hole near the bottom, drive in a tapered female hose end,
> screw on an inline valve, and you have running water and diesel. The
diesel
> barrel must soon go on a stand which is higher than my tractor's gas tank.
> That's a touchy project I'm not looking forward to.
>
> The acid solution that comes in my drums is very mild, and the water is
> drinkable after 1 rinse.
>
> The barrels are so thick they are way stronger than steel drums, and won't
> rust. They do degrade slowly in strong sunlight, so paint them for UV
> protection.
>
> Too bad they're not fireproof.
>
> "From the Heart of Cajun Country".
>
> Bob
Dave Keyes
CocaCola bottler. Pepsi guy has the same, I'm sure. They're $5 each.
They're very thick sides and the lids are still attached with the small
screw-out taps on the top. Great bargain.
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Ed Langley
My favorite source is a truck stop, and they will air-chisel off the top
(you can't torch off a top if there was flamable material in it)
and THEN cutting torch the bottom, LEAVING about 4 inch lip
all the way around. Then I drop in a piece of "expanded" metal,
like the kind used for car ramps for traction, in the bottom to keep
material from falling through. Get the guy to torch several 3 inch
holes, maybe 10 places around the barrel.
Put 3 cement blocks under the barrel, another screen on top, and
you have a super efficient incinerator. Lasts me about 3 years.
Ed Langley ed-...@home.com
Jan Flora wrote:
> In article <Xns917090A5652BF...@207.217.77.24>, John Mackey
> <no-e...@no-email.com> wrote:
>
> >Need to replace my trash fire barrel that came with the house.
> >
> >Where does one get a 55 gallon drum in a small city? I'm not
> >looking forward to the prospect of an all-day goose chase for one.
> >Anyone who's been to Home Depot, etc, knows you can't get something
> >like this there.
> >
> >JJM
>
> Try a shop that services semi trucks or heavy equipment. They buy oil
> and gear lube in bulk, in steel drums. If you tell them that you want
> a leaker, they'll probably put it in the pickup for you, just to get rid
> of it : )
>
> Jan
LEHunger
>pollution cops over for an interpretation of the law. Let me know when:
>I'll bring popcorn for the spectators.
>
>--
>- gw
And make sure all this occurs before sundown, for in many counties thou shalt
not burn nor barbecue after the sun sets.
Honest.
ttfn......
Linda H. and the Route 66 pack
dave...@spamcop.net
> And make sure all this occurs before sundown, for in many counties thou shalt
> not burn nor barbecue after the sun sets.
What? WHAT? What the *heck* is the point of a law like that? Some lawmaker
have an unhappy experience at a scout campout or something?
Sheesh.
> Honest.
I believe you, I just don't believe it. If you know what I mean.
Dave
George Willer
of Ohio...and maybe others I don't like any of the rules either, but I do
understand the tendency for outlaws to have their smoky fires after dark,
when the black smoke would be less visible. That's the point. Try taking
an evidence photo at night.
George Willer
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