A horse is an Equine, what is a Moose?
alvin...@notmail.com
look like horses except for the antlers. In many ways this is true.
However, I cant seem to find what they really are. Even my vet dont
know.
Horse & Donkey = Equine
Cattle = Bovine
Porcine = Pig
What is a moose, and also what is a deer?
Don Bruder
alvin...@notmail.com wrote:
Cervine
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Cervine (Applies to both deer and moose)
And if you care, Caprine = goat, and ovine = sheep.
alvin...@notmail.com
wrote:
>In article <7ftof3dshud34epts...@4ax.com>,
> alvin...@notmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have been having this discussion with a friend, He said that moose
>> look like horses except for the antlers. In many ways this is true.
>> However, I cant seem to find what they really are. Even my vet dont
>> know.
>>
>> Horse & Donkey = Equine
>> Cattle = Bovine
>> Porcine = Pig
>>
>> What is a moose, and also what is a deer?
>
>Cervine (Applies to both deer and moose)
>
>And if you care, Caprine = goat, and ovine = sheep.
Thank you !!!
I was googling and could not seem to find this.
I have to call my vet today. I will have to tell him. I think I got
him going on this one too.
This started when I watched a thing on tv about moose and I noticed
how horse-like they look. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to ride
one? I have a feeling that's not possible, but who knows..... People
have ridden zebras. Although the zebra is an equine, they are
extremely difficult to train. The latest trend has been to cross a
zebra with a horse. They are very pretty, but quite difficult to
train. I should mention that I know this from going to a horse expo
where they feeatured them and people got to see them up close and
watch the owners ride them. I got to pet one, and the zebra-horse
(officially called a Zorse) gelding was friendly like a horse.
I find these terms confusing (for example)
Zebra is termed:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Perissodactyla
Family: Equidae
Genus: Equus
Subgenus: Hippotigris
(from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra )
Horse is termed:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Perissodactyla
Family: Equidae
Genus: Equus
Species: E. caballus
(from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse )
I guess I dont have to scientific education to understand all of this,
but it all comes down to Equus, which somehow ends up being called
Equine.
I just discovered by changing the last word on this website URL brings
up "Moose"
(from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose )
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Artiodactyla
Family: Cervidae
Subfamily: Odocoilinae
Genus: Alces
Gray, 1821
Species: A. alces
----
So,
Cervidae = cervine
Equidae or Equus = Equine
(I assume these variations in wording are from different languages)
This does get rather confusing !!!!!
At least I now know the facts and will do my best to avoid saddling up
a moose, even if the temptation exists. <lol>
Thanks again.
Alvin
JC
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My Mom used to call me asanine.
Doug Miller
>This started when I watched a thing on tv about moose and I noticed
>how horse-like they look. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to ride
>one? I have a feeling that's not possible, but who knows.....
Moose are notorious for being aggressive and bad-tempered. I suspect that both
the attempt, and the rider, would be short-lived.
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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
JC
"Doug Miller" <spam...@milmac.com> wrote in message
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> In article <b53qf3hahada1jfin...@4ax.com>,
> alvin...@notmail.com wrote:
>
>>This started when I watched a thing on tv about moose and I noticed
>>how horse-like they look. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to ride
>>one? I have a feeling that's not possible, but who knows.....
I take it you've never been stationed at Ernest Harmon in Newfoundland.
Don Bruder
spam...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <b53qf3hahada1jfin...@4ax.com>,
> alvin...@notmail.com wrote:
>
> >This started when I watched a thing on tv about moose and I noticed
> >how horse-like they look. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to ride
> >one? I have a feeling that's not possible, but who knows.....
>
> Moose are notorious for being aggressive and bad-tempered. I suspect that
> both
> the attempt, and the rider, would be short-lived.
Seconded...
Ann
<...>
> This started when I watched a thing on tv about moose and I noticed
> how horse-like they look. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to ride
> one?
On practical terms, you'd run into trouble with your state game
commission if you captured one and tried. But moose and reindeer
(caribou) are in the same sub-family and reindeer have been domesticated
in northern Europe/Asia for a long time. The domestic reindeer have
shorter/stronger legs but I doubt they're big/strong enough to carry adult
humans.
Google:
reindeer lapland
for photos of reindeer pulling snow sleds, etc.
alvin...@notmail.com
Every Christmas they have live reindeer at a local park for the kids,
and have Santa is his little shed. These deer are domesicated and
very gentle. While they are inside a fence where no one can touch
them, I was lucky to get to go inside and touch them. The owner works
with another guy who gives horse-drawn carriage and sleigh rides in
the park, and he is a friend of mine. So we both got to handle the
reindeer. They all had (shetland size) pony halters on them, and they
were very friendly. He said he raised all of them from birth, all
were females, (even Rudolph :) ). He did hold the ones we handled
though, because he said gentle or not, those antlers can be dangerous,
which I could easily see to be true considering their size.
If they are as gentle as these are, I could see them pulling sleds,
etc.
Thanks
Alvin
AL
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:04:42 -0700, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <7ftof3dshud34epts...@4ax.com>,
>>alvin...@notmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have been having this discussion with a friend, He said that moose
>>>look like horses except for the antlers. In many ways this is true.
>>>However, I cant seem to find what they really are. Even my vet dont
>>>know.
>>>
>>>Horse & Donkey = Equine
>>>Cattle = Bovine
>>>Porcine = Pig
>>>
>>>What is a moose, and also what is a deer?
>>
>>Cervine (Applies to both deer and moose)
>>
>>And if you care, Caprine = goat, and ovine = sheep.
>
>
> Thank you !!!
> I was googling and could not seem to find this.
> I have to call my vet today. I will have to tell him. I think I got
> him going on this one too.
>
> This started when I watched a thing on tv about moose and I noticed
> how horse-like they look. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to ride
> one? I have a feeling that's not possible, but who knows..... People
> have ridden zebras. Although the zebra is an equine, they are
> extremely difficult to train.
Not at all - as a matter of fact they are easier, that's why they chose
a zebra to play Mr Ed in the TV sitcom featuring a talking horse.
http://www.snopes.com/lost/mistered.asp
:)
Don Bruder
AL <lit...@hamiltoncom.net> wrote:
Evil, Al... Pure evil :)
Jan Flora
Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <7ftof3dshud34epts...@4ax.com>,
> alvin...@notmail.com wrote:
>
> > I have been having this discussion with a friend, He said that moose
> > look like horses except for the antlers. In many ways this is true.
> > However, I cant seem to find what they really are. Even my vet dont
> > know.
> >
> > Horse & Donkey = Equine
> > Cattle = Bovine
> > Porcine = Pig
> >
> > What is a moose, and also what is a deer?
>
> Cervine
Don's correct. Moose is the largest member of the deer
family.
Jan in Alaska, with a resident moose on our property
Harry K
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:04:42 -0700, Don Bruder <dak...@sonic.net>
> wrote:
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[IMG]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/turnkey4099/inter.jpg[/
IMG]
;)
Harry K
alvin...@notmail.com
wrote:
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>[IMG]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/turnkey4099/inter.jpg[/
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>;)
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>Harry K
You gotta be kidding.......
I suppose anything is possible, but I'd have to see a little more
proof...... I wish that was a larger picture !!!
Thanks
Alvin
enigma
news:p7atf3d20ck37ckh4...@4ax.com:
no you don't. in a larger picture you can see how poorly
photoshopped it is.
in this day & age, if you don't see it yourself, don't trust
a photo.
lee
Jim Elbrecht
-snip
>I suppose anything is possible, but I'd have to see a little more
>proof...... I wish that was a larger picture !!!
Here's a bigger one- some text- and a couple more-
http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/?p=1656
Jim
Jim Elbrecht
wrote:
The one of the young moose in the harness is in the collection of
University of alaska, Fairbanks-
http://www.alaskahistorystore.org/p194.html
from that page;
"Photographer: H.C. Barley
Location: Skagway, Alaska
From the Donald Gestner collection, accession number 76-35-18
Complete caption reads: Ben Moore's moose in harness, Skaguay Alaska.
Gertrude in buggy, ready for the start. J.B. Moore at right."
I doubt that one's been photoshopped.
Jim
Harry K
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:12:41 -0700, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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> >[IMG]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/turnkey4099/inter.jpg[/
> >IMG]
>
> >;)
>
> >Harry K
>
> You gotta be kidding.......
>
> I suppose anything is possible, but I'd have to see a little more
> proof...... I wish that was a larger picture !!!
>
> Thanks
>
> Alvin
That was why the 'wink'
My fault. I didnt' realize I had an avatar size as well as full
size. I picked the wrong one.
Google Moose Logging will give you full sizes and a lot of discussions
about it. Someone says it was a poor photoshop. From my eyeballs, it
is a very good photoshop job. The clues are there but not obvious.
Harry K
Rudy Canoza
They're cervids. That's the noun. Cervine is the
adjective.
alvin...@notmail.com
wrote:
>On Sep 29, 12:37 pm, alvinamo...@notmail.com wrote:
The larger picture made it more obvious.
I'd say the body looks like a draft horse or maybe a draft-X mule.
(the tail looks mule like). Yes, they did do a good photoshop job.
As for the photos of the young moose in harness, I have not been
around moose, so it's hard to say for sure, but I could see that as a
possibility if they were raised by people and not yet mature. Most
animals when young are managable by people...... But these pics could
be photoshopped too.
Using photoshop (actually Paint Shop Pro), I once put the head of a
Paint Horse on a Holstein Cows body. Both were the same color. I had
someone that thought it was real..... I laughed my ass off..... (But
she WAS a blonde) :)
Floyd L. Davidson
Duh...
How about "dinner".
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Floyd L. Davidson
>>Google Moose Logging will give you full sizes and a lot of discussions
>>about it. Someone says it was a poor photoshop. From my eyeballs, it
>>is a very good photoshop job. The clues are there but not obvious.
What is there? Obvious or otherwise? I do a *lot* of
image editing, and I can't see anything "obvious" or
otherwise. What I can see is definitely a moose, from
head to tail.
But there is no real way to determine from that image if
it was made with Photoshop simply because it has been
saved with too much compression to allow making such a
determination. If it was Photoshopped, it was done at a
relatively high resolution and then the image was save
much smaller with JPEG compression turned up fairly
high, which basically quantizes colors and hides any
sharp edges from adding something to an image.
Regardless, it looks real enough to me.
>>Harry K
>
>The larger picture made it more obvious.
>I'd say the body looks like a draft horse or maybe a draft-X mule.
>(the tail looks mule like). Yes, they did do a good photoshop job.
The body is a moose, from one end to the other. I've
butchered a goodly number of moose, and don't have any
difficulty identifying that one!
>As for the photos of the young moose in harness, I have not been
>around moose, so it's hard to say for sure, but I could see that as a
>possibility if they were raised by people and not yet mature. Most
>animals when young are managable by people...... But these pics could
>be photoshopped too.
That's a relatively well known old print. Made long
before Photoshop existed.
>Using photoshop (actually Paint Shop Pro), I once put the head of a
>Paint Horse on a Holstein Cows body. Both were the same color. I had
>someone that thought it was real..... I laughed my ass off..... (But
>she WAS a blonde) :)
--
Floyd L. Davidson
>alvin...@notmail.com wrote:
>>>Google Moose Logging will give you full sizes and a lot of discussions
>>>about it. Someone says it was a poor photoshop. From my eyeballs, it
>>>is a very good photoshop job. The clues are there but not obvious.
>
>What is there? Obvious or otherwise? I do a *lot* of
>image editing, and I can't see anything "obvious" or
>otherwise. What I can see is definitely a moose, from
>head to tail.
Ah. There *is* something obvious! The wood piles... are
mirror images of each other.
alvin...@notmail.com
Davidson) wrote:
>fl...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>>alvin...@notmail.com wrote:
>>>>Google Moose Logging will give you full sizes and a lot of discussions
>>>>about it. Someone says it was a poor photoshop. From my eyeballs, it
>>>>is a very good photoshop job. The clues are there but not obvious.
>>
>>What is there? Obvious or otherwise? I do a *lot* of
>>image editing, and I can't see anything "obvious" or
>>otherwise. What I can see is definitely a moose, from
>>head to tail.
>
>Ah. There *is* something obvious! The wood piles... are
>mirror images of each other.
Someone else mentioned those wood piles, and yes, they are mirror
images.
Harry K
> fl...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>
But not "obvious" You have to look really closely to spot it.
There is a thread that includes several items that show it to be a
photoshop.
http://arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=44863&highlight=moose+logging
(you might need to be a member but I don't think so).
Most of them mentioned in this one post:
Quote:
It's been floating about for a while now, wood piles on left and right
are mirror images, look at the light on the mooses antlers, does that
match the flat lighting in the rest of the photo background? also
lighting on wood piles is too bright, some blurring in areas where
things did not work out arround the harness.... someone has too much
time on thier hands to play with photoshop.
Unquote:
Harry K
Larry Caldwell
lit...@hamiltoncom.net (AL) says...
> Not at all - as a matter of fact they are easier, that's why they chose
> a zebra to play Mr Ed in the TV sitcom featuring a talking horse.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/lost/mistered.asp
Apparently even Snopes can get suckered sometimes. NFL players running
into referees because their stripes are invisible on B&W TV?
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Don Bruder
Larry Caldwell <firstnamel...@peaksky.com> wrote:
> In article <W6OdnWhHtcx-pGDb...@hamiltoncom.net>,
> lit...@hamiltoncom.net (AL) says...
>
> > Not at all - as a matter of fact they are easier, that's why they chose
> > a zebra to play Mr Ed in the TV sitcom featuring a talking horse.
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/lost/mistered.asp
>
> Apparently even Snopes can get suckered sometimes. NFL players running
> into referees because their stripes are invisible on B&W TV?
Apparently someone doesn't follow the links in snopes articles...
<chuckle>
AL
> In article <W6OdnWhHtcx-pGDb...@hamiltoncom.net>,
> lit...@hamiltoncom.net (AL) says...
>
>
>>Not at all - as a matter of fact they are easier, that's why they chose
>>a zebra to play Mr Ed in the TV sitcom featuring a talking horse.
>>
>>http://www.snopes.com/lost/mistered.asp
>
>
> Apparently even Snopes can get suckered sometimes. NFL players running
> into referees because their stripes are invisible on B&W TV?
(heh heh heh) - whosh! right over his head....again.
AL
Grizzly
> I have been having this discussion with a friend, He said that moose
> look like horses except for the antlers. In many ways this is true.
> However, I cant seem to find what they really are. Even my vet dont
> know.
>
> Horse & Donkey = Equine
> Cattle = Bovine
> Porcine = Pig
>
> What is a moose, and also what is a deer?
Moose Deer, Elk, Cariboo are all Cervidae..They are ungulates.They all
have cloven hooves and chew cud.
Jan Flora
Grizzly <No...@nowhere.com> wrote:
I had to look up ungulate, because I hear it in reference to moose all
the time. I didn't know the difference between an ungulate and a
ruminant.
An ungulate is a critter with hooves, including deer, swine, horses,
rhinos, elephants and some exotics that I've never heard of. A ruminant
has the four-chambered digestive system. Horses & hogs have simple
(one stomach) digestive systems, like people.
Our animal scientist is always telling us that cows have one stomach
with four chambers. We still always try to tell him that cows have four
stomaches.
Jan
Peter Huebner
snow...@xyz.net says...
>
> An ungulate is a critter with hooves, including deer, swine, horses,
> rhinos, elephants and some exotics that I've never heard of. A ruminant
> has the four-chambered digestive system. Horses & hogs have simple
> (one stomach) digestive systems, like people.
>
> Our animal scientist is always telling us that cows have one stomach
> with four chambers. We still always try to tell him that cows have four
> stomaches.
>
> Jan
The rumen, far and away the largest of the forestomaches, is itself sacculated
by muscular pillars into what are called the dorsal, ventral, caudodorsal and
caudoventral sacs. (quoted from
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/herbivores/rumen_anat.h
tml)
as well as that you have the reticulum, omasum, and abomasum ---- which is why
some people would have it that ruminants have 7 stomachs (that's how I learned
it in highschool in biology, b.t.w.).
-P.
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Jan Flora
Peter Huebner <no....@this.address> wrote:
You went to a better high school than I did!
I didn't learn about reticulums, omasums and abomasums until I moved
in with a cattle rancher. We thought we had a cow with a displaced
abomasum one day, but the vet said that's a dairy cow ailment and
it's very rare in the beef breeds.
I don't know all the parts of a rumen, but do know how to get a
section of garden hose down a cow's throat and into the rumen (not
the lung) to dose the animal with meds. And I know where to put
my hand on the cow's flank to feel if the rumen is working.
Jan