difference between hay and grass.
Ed Ward
and grown hay anyway ?
Doug Miller
>What is the difference between regular lawn grass
> and grown hay anyway ?
Lawn grass is most commonly Kentucky bluegrass or some sort of fescue. Grass
hay is usually timothy, at least if you're feeding horses.
But hay isn't necessarily grass at all. Frequently, it's alfalfa, often mixed
with red clover. There may or may not be grass in the mix as well.
Roy
and then baled or gathered to feed livestock. So basically hay is
"any" type of grass that is cut and baled for feeding purposes. Hay in
one part of thr country is different than other parts as all grasses
cut for hay do not necessarily grow all over, Usually the taller
growing grasses are utilized for hay as well as any weed or other
plants that may happen to be included in it when cut and baled.
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>In article <2d35b0l475h0kc59e...@4ax.com>, E...@home.org wrote:
>>What is the difference between regular lawn grass
>> and grown hay anyway ?
>
>Lawn grass is most commonly Kentucky bluegrass or some sort of fescue. Grass
>hay is usually timothy, at least if you're feeding horses.
.. or not depending on where you are. Certainly not true here in NZ
:)
>But hay isn't necessarily grass at all. Frequently, it's alfalfa, often mixed
>with red clover. There may or may not be grass in the mix as well.
IMO the generic description "hay" implies some kind of grass. Reason
is simple ... if it's lucerne or clover or some mix, it's worth more
and people are at pains to point out it's 'lucerne hay' or ...
whatever, so they can get a better price :)
Bruce
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bruce.s...@NOSPAMagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) says...
> IMO the generic description "hay" implies some kind of grass. Reason
> is simple ... if it's lucerne or clover or some mix, it's worth more
> and people are at pains to point out it's 'lucerne hay' or ...
> whatever, so they can get a better price :)
Yeah, oat hay pulls a premium for horses, alfalfa hay is favored for
milk animals. To my mind, 'hay' just means something cut green enough
to still have food value, and dry enough for long term storage.
Tallgrass
so what's the diff between alfalfa hay and clover hay? And just what
is "lucerne hay", anyways??
Hay seems to be my crop these days, as I haven't found anyone to till
my small acreage. I would like to know just what kind of hay I
actually have, so I can market it more energeticly(sp?).
Linda H.
RSMEINER
>my small acreage. I would like to know just what kind of hay I
>actually have, so I can market it more energeticly(sp?).
>
>Linda H.
Your county extension office should be able to tell you.
Roy
Its whatever is the predominate grass that your cutting and baleing.
What kind of grasses do you have.......alfalfa hay is cut from
alfalfa, and clover is cut from clovers............not hard to figure
out what hay you would have if you know what gras it is your cutting,
so check with your county agent!
On 26 May 2004 16:51:47 -0700, tallgras...@earthlink.net
(Tallgrass) wrote:
>===<>Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b1e60965...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
>===<>> In article <l5Asc.3914$FN.4...@news02.tsnz.net>,
>===<>> bruce.s...@NOSPAMagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) says...
>===<>>
>===<>> > IMO the generic description "hay" implies some kind of grass. Reason
>===<>> > is simple ... if it's lucerne or clover or some mix, it's worth more
>===<>> > and people are at pains to point out it's 'lucerne hay' or ...
>===<>> > whatever, so they can get a better price :)
>===<>>
>===<>> Yeah, oat hay pulls a premium for horses, alfalfa hay is favored for
>===<>> milk animals. To my mind, 'hay' just means something cut green enough
>===<>> to still have food value, and dry enough for long term storage.
>===<>
>===<>so what's the diff between alfalfa hay and clover hay? And just what
>===<>is "lucerne hay", anyways??
>===<>
>===<>Hay seems to be my crop these days, as I haven't found anyone to till
>===<>my small acreage. I would like to know just what kind of hay I
>===<>actually have, so I can market it more energeticly(sp?).
>===<>
>===<>Linda H.
The Rock Garden
> so what's the diff between alfalfa hay and clover hay? And just what
> is "lucerne hay", anyways??
There are several kinds of clover and the type, as well as the stage of
cutting, will have a bearing on the quality of hay it will produce. Both
clover and alfalfa are legumes and can make excellent hay - or not. In the
final analysis it is the stage the hay is cut, how well it is preserved, and
the final usage it is intended for which will determine the value of the
crop.
Lucerne is the term used in the Land of Oz for what we in the U. S. and
Canada call alfalfa. Perhaps the rest of the world calls it lucerne too,
but I'm not sure?
> Hay seems to be my crop these days, as I haven't found anyone to till
> my small acreage. I would like to know just what kind of hay I
> actually have, so I can market it more energeticly(sp?).
There is a fairly good site at http://forages.oregonstate.edu/ which covers
both hay crops and pastures in some detail if you want to do some research
on your own. Personally though - if you still have a county extension
service that actually knows diddly about agriculture - if it were me I would
get to know my county extension agent on a first name basis. Your taxes are
going towards paying his/her salary, so try to get your money's worth. :-)
Depending on the conditions in your area, your small acreage may not be cost
effective for someone to custom cut your hay. If this is the case you might
check with your extension agent to see if there are any 4-H or FFA kids who
could use cheaper feed for their projects by putting some sweat equity into
harvesting it. Or, if even that isn't doable, you might want to look into
fencing the acreage and either pasturing it for your own red meat needs, or
leasing it out as pasture to some other needy soul...
Skip
Skip & Christy Hensler
THE ROCK GARDEN
Newport, WA
http://www.povn.com/rock/
Steve IA
links and they are 404. Anybody know where they went?
http://www.connix.com/~mlfarm/rural/haying.html
http://www.connix.com/~mlfarm/rural/pasture.html
Steve
southiowa
The Rock Garden
"Steve IA" <saha...@lassienet.net> wrote
They are now at:
http://www.sheepscreek.com/rural/hay.html
http://www.sheepscreek.com/rural/past.html
Tallgrass
botany that I evaded all those years ago.
I know I have red clover and white clover (!!), but do not know the
predominant grass. Alfalfa, per se, is a mystery to me as well, so
off to some sites to i.d. these plants.
My neighbor cuts the hay, and he is only about a quarter mile away.
Not a huge distance for him to drive, and the road is good. He has
sold some of the hay in the past, and he uses some of it with his
steers. It appears, though, that some of the bales are still sitting,
from last year, so my ambition is to try to improve sales for this and
subsequent years.
I have thought about fencing this area, but just have not gotten the
resources together to do so. From the looks of the entire 19 acres,
it has been grazed in the past. Lots of understory, postoaks, hedge
apple/osage, a few "teenaged" walnuts and shagbark hickories, and a
couple of mockernut trees. The pasture/hay area seems to be about
three to five acres; I think it is closer to five or six, but my
neighbor says it comes out to about three acres.
burning daylight.....
Linda H.
Steve IA
Thanks, Skip.
Steve
southiowa
slee...@webtv.net
E...@home.org (Ed Ward)
Here in my area of NE Texas it's nearly always the same thing-that is
some type of bermuda grass. The only difference being that lawn grass
bermuda is cut when it's shorter and bermuda in a hay field is allowed
to get taller before it's cut for hay.
Ronny
Tallgrass
I would never have thought there would be such a science behind hay.
Very interesting reading, and I have only covered the first link!!
An interesting idea comes to mind after reading the first page, and
that is hay production for the pet/rodent/lagomorph industry. Need to
find out how this is packaged, or maybe find a Mini-mini baler!!
Linda H.
Roy
(Tallgrass) wrote:
>===<>Steve IA <saha...@lassienet.net> wrote in message news:<40B65115...@lassienet.net>...
>===<>> The Rock Garden wrote:
>===<>> >
>===<>> > "Steve IA" <saha...@lassienet.net> wrote
>===<>> >
>===<>> > > There used to be a good "Haying FAQ" and Pasture FAQ but I checked the
>===<>> > > links and they are 404. Anybody know where they went?
>===<>> > > http://www.connix.com/~mlfarm/rural/haying.html
>===<>> > > http://www.connix.com/~mlfarm/rural/pasture.html
>===<>> >
>===<>> > They are now at:
>===<>> >
>===<>> > http://www.sheepscreek.com/rural/hay.html
>===<>> > http://www.sheepscreek.com/rural/past.html
>===<>> >
>===<>> > Skip & Christy Hensler
>===<>> > THE ROCK GARDEN
>===<>> > Newport, WA
>===<>> > http://www.povn.com/rock/
>===<>>
>===<>> Thanks, Skip.
>===<>>
>===<>> Steve
>===<>> southiowa
>===<>
>===<>I would never have thought there would be such a science behind hay.
>===<>Very interesting reading, and I have only covered the first link!!
>===<>
>===<>An interesting idea comes to mind after reading the first page, and
>===<>that is hay production for the pet/rodent/lagomorph industry. Need to
>===<>find out how this is packaged, or maybe find a Mini-mini baler!!
>===<>
>===<>Linda H.
You do not even want to know the price of a mini baler. They are out
of sight to say the least. I looked into getting one that makes small
square bales, and also looked at another that makes small rolls about
the size of a wash tub..........I would almost have to mortgage the
house to buy one..
Tallgrass
> You do not even want to know the price of a mini baler. They are out
> of sight to say the least. I looked into getting one that makes small
> square bales, and also looked at another that makes small rolls about
> the size of a wash tub..........I would almost have to mortgage the
> house to buy one..
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> Remove "nospam" from email addy.
Surfing the web reveals that the pet industry packages hay in plastic
bags. Not a bad idea for a product that gets crumbly and dusty. Now
I have been wondering how they stuff all those little bags.
Sounds like the mini-baler is about the price of a lot of other pieces
of farm machinery - Very Expensive.
Me, I am still working on getting a tractor with three point hitch!!
Then I can drool over accessories and attachments.
Linda H.