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jbr...@gmail.com

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Jun 29, 2005, 3:55:14 PM6/29/05
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I moved into my home about 3 years ago...

Before we could finalize the deal, our loan person said we needed to
get the septic tank inspected first. I remember this vividly because we
were to move out in a week, and if we weren't able to get into this
house, we would be homeless till the tank got inspected.

Apparantly it did because they let us move in and finish the loan.

Having said that, since the house is about 10 years old, I figured I
would call to get the septic tank pumped...

LONG story (about a month long) short, the plumbers wanted me to call
my counties health department to find the location before they came
out, said it would cost me less that way. Turns out, my health dept has
no record of my septic tank...

Is this common/normal/acceptable practice? SHOULDNT they have a record
of it? I wish I could complain to someone, but who is over county
stuff? The environmentalists are only in the office from 8am to 9am
weekends (great hours huh) the rest of the time they are out in the
field, so getting a hold of one is next to impossible...

Should I report something like this or is it common in rural counties?

Jim Kooperford

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Jun 29, 2005, 4:05:29 PM6/29/05
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<jbr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If it were I, I would call the county office that issues building permits.
Ask them if you are required to get a permit to build a house in the county,
outside the city limits. If they say no, chances are no one is going to have
any paperwork on your septic tank. If that's the case, I would tell that to
whoever you call to pump it out. They are probably going to locate it by
doing something very easy to do yourself. I doubt it is buried more than 2
or 3 feet below grade. Get you a piece of 5/8s rebar and go outside and step
off about 5 feet out from the bathroom window and start poking the rebar in
the ground. It might be easier if you wet the ground good first. Keep at it
and you will find it, or the pipe that leads to it. Simply follow it. Wear
good gloves because the rebar can be rough on your hands.


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Kooperford Farms
Pasture Pure Poultry,
Pork and Produce


Doug Miller

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Jun 29, 2005, 5:09:52 PM6/29/05
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>LONG story (about a month long) short, the plumbers wanted me to call
>my counties health department to find the location before they came
>out, said it would cost me less that way. Turns out, my health dept has
>no record of my septic tank...

Never mind that.... call a different septic service. The guy you talked to is
a boob. Any competent septic service tech can locate a buried tank in under
fifteen minutes.

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Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Jmagerl

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Jun 29, 2005, 5:21:02 PM6/29/05
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Depending on how old the house is, the county may or maynot have septic
records.
I believe my county didnt keep records until 1965.

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JonquilJan

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Jun 29, 2005, 5:34:13 PM6/29/05
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Question 1 - why are you getting the tank pumped? Is there a problem?
Properly maintained, a septic tank should never need pumping - usless you
have a huge useage - bad drainfield - defect in the tank.

Question 2 - as stated previously - call another septic service. Finding
the tank is not that much of an issue.

JoonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying


Elmo

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Jun 29, 2005, 9:40:20 PM6/29/05
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jbr...@gmail.com said (on or about) 06/29/2005 15:55:

A friend had a problem with his septic system. Being on the sewer commission, he knew that it would be 3-5 years before he would need it no longer. And he found out that the fine for putting in an unlicensed/unpermitted system was less than the fee for the permit. In the same county, the first house I owned had a very interesting drain field. The previous owner had dug a pit 15 feet by fifteen feet by fifteen feet and filled it with 2B aggregate. The lateral from the tank ran to the pit. My guess is that it went straight from there to the creek about 50 feet on the other side of the road.

So I'd say that you aren't seeing anything particularly uncommon.

Larry Caldwell

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Jun 30, 2005, 6:21:16 AM6/30/05
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In article <42c31408$0$2614$38ce...@news.westelcom.com>, ward39
@imcnet.net (JonquilJan) says...

> Question 1 - why are you getting the tank pumped? Is there a problem?
> Properly maintained, a septic tank should never need pumping - usless you
> have a huge useage - bad drainfield - defect in the tank.

Who told you that? It is wrong, wrong, WRONG! Ask the guy who posted a
couple weeks ago with a plugged up leach field. Solids are supposed to
stay in the tank, where they can be removed by pumping every 5 years or
so. The amount of solids a family puts into the septic tank can vary
widely, but sooner or later you will fill the tank, and either plug the
tank or shove solids out into the drain field. Your first warning is
that the system quits working.

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Larry Caldwell

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Jun 30, 2005, 6:23:37 AM6/30/05
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In article <daDwe.30404$Zh2....@fe10.news.easynews.com>, jk2479
@hotmail.com (Jim Kooperford) says...

> If it were I, I would call the county office that issues building permits.
> Ask them if you are required to get a permit to build a house in the county,
> outside the city limits. If they say no, chances are no one is going to have
> any paperwork on your septic tank.

My county only maintains construction records for 3 years after the
permit is finalled. After that, you can find out that there was a
permit and what the inspection record was, but they pitch the
blueprints.

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Janet Baraclough

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Jun 29, 2005, 6:15:08 PM6/29/05
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The message <A6Ewe.2192$RC6...@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
from spam...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) contains these words:

> >LONG story (about a month long) short, the plumbers wanted me to call
> >my counties health department to find the location before they came
> >out, said it would cost me less that way. Turns out, my health dept has
> >no record of my septic tank...

> Never mind that.... call a different septic service. The guy you
> talked to is
> a boob. Any competent septic service tech can locate a buried tank in under
> fifteen minutes.

Well, I'm curious. In the UK, I've never seen a septic tank that
didn't have an access hatch/lid at ground level; either stone or
concrete or cast iron. You can't miss them. Don't yours have that, and
if not, where do they empty it from?

Not having a record is no surprise in the sticks. Our county made
exactly the same comment on ours the first time I had it emptied. First,
they had lost all their records in a fire 20 years ago. Second, so far
as they knew, the previous owner had never requested their emptying
service. This surprised me as I knew they had done it for him. Anyway I
had to supply a map and measurements.

When the man turned up to empty it, he told me that he'd only
recently taken over the job from someone who'd done it for decades and
didn't keep records. The next door neighbour told me, that was because
many customers paid him privately in cash. No wonder the county had no
record of our tank :-)

Janet.


Doug Miller

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Jun 30, 2005, 10:04:13 AM6/30/05
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In article <3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk>, Janet Baraclough <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The message <A6Ewe.2192$RC6...@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
>from spam...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) contains these words:

>> Never mind that.... call a different septic service. The guy you talked to is

>> a boob. Any competent septic service tech can locate a buried tank in under
>> fifteen minutes.
>
> Well, I'm curious. In the UK, I've never seen a septic tank that
>didn't have an access hatch/lid at ground level; either stone or
>concrete or cast iron. You can't miss them. Don't yours have that, and
>if not, where do they empty it from?

It's not uncommon here for the lid to be a foot or two below ground level. It
costs less to install it that way, but IMO it's a false economy: the septic
service companies charge more if they have to dig up the lid.

Doug Miller

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Jun 30, 2005, 10:06:17 AM6/30/05
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In article <42c31408$0$2614$38ce...@news.westelcom.com>, "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>Question 1 - why are you getting the tank pumped? Is there a problem?
>Properly maintained, a septic tank should never need pumping

Contradiction in terms. "Properly maintained" includes pumping every few
years.

Barry Bean

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Jun 30, 2005, 10:40:12 AM6/30/05
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jbr...@gmail.com wrote in news:1120074914.536099.302150
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

> LONG story (about a month long) short, the plumbers wanted me to call
> my counties health department to find the location before they came
> out, said it would cost me less that way.

??? Its not that hard to find a septic tank. I've never heard of such a
thing.

jbr...@gmail.com

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Jun 30, 2005, 10:53:03 AM6/30/05
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it is hard when it is buried, youve never had to deal with a septic
tank ever (city boy) and my back yard looks as flat and as grassy as
anyone without a septic tank... My granny had the lid to hers right on
top of the ground... but I dont... THATs how it is hard for me to find
it...

Clear to partly cloudy

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Jun 30, 2005, 11:06:42 AM6/30/05
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<jbr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Most septic tanks are placed just outside one of the bathrooms. Sometimes
they can be found by getting a 6 foot length piece of water hose. Go in the
house and turn the water in the bathtub on. Go outside and use the water
hose as a sort of listening device like a doctor has. Run it back and forth
a space equal to about where your bathtub drain would be. You should be able
to hear the water and trace it out to the splashing sound as it empties into
the tank.


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to partly cloudy.

Brynk

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Jun 30, 2005, 11:14:20 AM6/30/05
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or check the basement (if there is one) for a visible discharge pipe

--
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enigma

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Jun 30, 2005, 11:44:33 AM6/30/05
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spam...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote in
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> In article <3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk>, Janet
> Baraclough <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>The message <A6Ewe.2192$RC6...@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
>>from spam...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) contains these
>>words:
>
>>> Never mind that.... call a different septic service. The
>>> guy you talked to is a boob. Any competent septic service
>>> tech can locate a buried tank in under fifteen minutes.
>>
>> Well, I'm curious. In the UK, I've never seen a septic
>> tank that
>>didn't have an access hatch/lid at ground level; either
>>stone or concrete or cast iron. You can't miss them. Don't
>>yours have that, and if not, where do they empty it from?
>
> It's not uncommon here for the lid to be a foot or two
> below ground level. It costs less to install it that way,
> but IMO it's a false economy: the septic service companies
> charge more if they have to dig up the lid.

the guy that pumps my tank suggested digging out the lids,
taking a half (or 1/3, depends on depth) 50 gallon drum, put
that in the hole around the opening & put a patio block on top
at ground level. keeps the lids easy to get at for pumping.
you don't have to redig every few years.
my tank is in my pasture, on the opposite side of the house
from the bathrooms. it's not at all in any sort of intuitive
location, since it's at least 20 feet fron the main waste line
in the basement in a direction one wouldn't expect. i think it
was a replacement for a failed tank in a more 'normal'
location, but if i hadn't been shown where it was when i
bought the place, i sure wouldn't be looking where it is
first.


lee
--
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
1984-George Orwell

Larry Caldwell

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Jun 30, 2005, 12:02:54 PM6/30/05
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Janet Baraclough wrote:

> Well, I'm curious. In the UK, I've never seen a septic tank that
> didn't have an access hatch/lid at ground level; either stone or
> concrete or cast iron. You can't miss them. Don't yours have that, and
> if not, where do they empty it from?

The new sanitary code requires a surface level hatch in the USA too.
Historically, the hatch was buried a foot or so under the surface, so
you had to dig it up to inspect or pump the tank.

tim...@mailcity.com

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Jun 30, 2005, 12:13:11 PM6/30/05
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As mentioned, some building departments will have the record, some
won't.

You might try to find out if the previous owners can tell you where it
is located. Failing that, if they tank has been pumped before, the
company that did it might have the record (mine keeps them).

As for it being easy to find the tank, maybe. Maybe not. Mine was
buried 15 feet underground. Sure, it was on almost a direct line from
our master bathroom, but about 70 feet away from the house.

I had to have an excavating firm come in, put a fish tape in the drain
cleanout and follow it out. since it was so deep, they had problems, It
took the better part of a morning. the "hatch" was also 15 feet
deep....that was another hassle....

Offbreed

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Jun 30, 2005, 12:18:55 PM6/30/05
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enigma wrote:

> the guy that pumps my tank suggested digging out the lids,
> taking a half (or 1/3, depends on depth) 50 gallon drum, put
> that in the hole around the opening & put a patio block on top
> at ground level. keeps the lids easy to get at for pumping.
> you don't have to redig every few years.

Good idea.

There are some really really heavy plastic drums around. They don't
rust, so might be a better choice than iron.

Neon John

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Jun 30, 2005, 2:02:13 PM6/30/05
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Lemme get this straight. You WANT government interference where none
now exists? Really? Moving back to the city would be one great
solution.

If you want to complain to someone, walk out to the nearest tree and
shout your heart out. You'll feel good and the tree won't suffer too
much.

John

On 29 Jun 2005 12:55:14 -0700, jbr...@gmail.com wrote:

>LONG story (about a month long) short, the plumbers wanted me to call
>my counties health department to find the location before they came
>out, said it would cost me less that way. Turns out, my health dept has
>no record of my septic tank...
>
>Is this common/normal/acceptable practice? SHOULDNT they have a record
>of it? I wish I could complain to someone, but who is over county
>stuff? The environmentalists are only in the office from 8am to 9am
>weekends (great hours huh) the rest of the time they are out in the
>field, so getting a hold of one is next to impossible...
>
>Should I report something like this or is it common in rural counties?

---
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN

Neon John

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Jun 30, 2005, 2:49:51 PM6/30/05
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Hmmm, mine's going on 40 years now without nary a pumping. That's
pretty darn close to forever.

John

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:21:16 GMT, Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com>
wrote:

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Neon John

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Jun 30, 2005, 2:54:51 PM6/30/05
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Most tanks are made with steel reinforced concrete. Therefore a metal
detector will find it with little trouble. The signal is huge
compared to other metal that may be in the ground.

If your ground is fairly soft then a sharpened steel rod can be pushed
down into the ground to find the top. Most of the tank pumper have
such a rod, about 4 ft long with a tee handle grip welded on the top.

It's about as fast as the metal detector but definitely more work.
Especially if you don't even know the area it's in.

John

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tim...@mailcity.com

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Jun 30, 2005, 3:16:43 PM6/30/05
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Neon John wrote:
> Hmmm, mine's going on 40 years now without nary a pumping. That's
> pretty darn close to forever.
>
>

read the facts here:

http://www.montana.edu/wwwpb/pubs/mt9401.html

Doug Miller

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Jun 30, 2005, 3:30:56 PM6/30/05
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Don't worry about it. You don't have to know where it is, or how to find it.
Any half-way competent septic service tech can find your tank within minutes.
Let them do their job.

Vic Dura

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Jun 30, 2005, 3:49:57 PM6/30/05
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On 30 Jun 2005 07:53:03 -0700, in misc.rural RE: Re: Health Dept has

Ditto my first experience with a septic tank.

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enigma

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Jun 30, 2005, 6:46:20 PM6/30/05
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Offbreed <offbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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yeah, juice drums are great if you live near a place that
uses reconstituted juices (& usually free). lots of places
around here sell big blue plastic drums as floats for docks.
those are pretty cheap ($5 or so) too.

Brock Ulfsen

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Jun 30, 2005, 8:47:51 PM6/30/05
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JonquilJan wrote:
> Question 1 - why are you getting the tank pumped? Is there a problem?
> Properly maintained, a septic tank should never need pumping - usless you
> have a huge useage - bad drainfield - defect in the tank.

Actually, septic tanks do occassionally need pumping as sediment builds up.

Phytolythic deposits (tiny flakes of slica mineral crystals from many
plants), grit ingested with grain. Undigested bone. Lots of stuff will
build up over time.

Also local climate makes a difference. In much of Australia, septic
tanks are not burried, but rather have their top protrude above ground a
few inches. Solid reduction rate varies with temperature.

...Brock.

JonquilJan

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Jun 30, 2005, 10:26:30 PM6/30/05
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Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
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I've had my tank pumped once - 19 years ago. My neighbors had a new tank
installed when they moved in 14 years ago - and have never had that pumped.
My neighbors on the other side have never had theirs pumped since I moved
here 23 years ago.

All three systems work just fine.

JonquilJan

Janet Baraclough

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Jun 30, 2005, 5:27:21 PM6/30/05
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> Janet Baraclough wrote:

Okay. But don't your older tanks have a separate gas vent from the
underground chamber? Ours has one which is a ceramic grille set into
ground level.

Also, even if our tank hatch was buried underground, the sewage
pipe to it and the leach pipe from it both have inspection chambers
visible and reachable at various spots around the garden. From those it
wouldn't be hard to guess where the tank was located, and as someone
else has said, from above ground you can hear the distant splash of
large flushes of water into it.

Janet.


George Willer

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How do you know they're working fine? Have you or your neighbors done an
inspection to determine sludge buildup? I didn't think so. I think I know
who will become a big whiner when the filter bed (drain field in other
parts)gets clogged up unnecessarily and will cost a small fortune to
replace. "Why didn't someone tell me the tank should be pumped?"

George Willer

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Larry Caldwell

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In article <42c4aa0a$0$1248$38ce...@news.westelcom.com>, ward39
@imcnet.net (JonquilJan) says...

> I've had my tank pumped once - 19 years ago. My neighbors had a new tank
> installed when they moved in 14 years ago - and have never had that pumped.
> My neighbors on the other side have never had theirs pumped since I moved
> here 23 years ago.
>
> All three systems work just fine.

We are all born ignorant. Some people learn to be stupid.

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Janet Baraclough

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Jul 1, 2005, 6:12:36 AM7/1/05
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The message <42c4aa0a$0$1248$38ce...@news.westelcom.com>
from "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> contains these words:

> I've had my tank pumped once - 19 years ago. My neighbors had a new tank
> installed when they moved in 14 years ago - and have never had that pumped.
> My neighbors on the other side have never had theirs pumped since I moved
> here 23 years ago.

> All three systems work just fine.

That's like the man who fell out of his office window on the 30th
floor. As he passes his colleagues on the 20th flor, he shouts
"Everything's okay so far".

One day, the non-digestible bottom sediment will get deep enough to
reach the run-off level. Then they won't work any more.

At our last place, two households fed into one tank with no problems
for 10 years or more. Then we moved in and I arranged to have it pumped
out, because that's sensible practice at a new place; gives you a
chance to see inside the empty tank and what state it's in. The deepest
sediment had set so dense, it took a very long time and much
breaking-up before the pumping guy finally managed to clear it. He said
that another year or so, and it would have been impossible to pump; then
the only way to empty the tank is by hand. It's extremely difficult to
find any contractor willing to do that these days. He sees tanks like
that all the time, left for decades because there isn't a problem. Then
when a problem happens, it can't be pumped away.

Since then, two separate friends have had it had it happen to them.
Each of them could not find anyone desperate enough to do the job for
pay, and had to stand in decades of old shit to their waist and dig it
out with a shovel. They were lucky to have the kind of rectangular,
brick-built tank we do; I doubt if anyone could empty one of the deep
fibre-glass onion tanks by hand.

If you think there's nothing non-digestible goes down your system,
try looking down your domestic drain traps. The kitchen sink collects
grit from the soil on washed vegetables and in the U-trap from our
washing machine, there'll be a spoonful of grit sitting in the bottom
from our dirty clothes. Even our shower trap collects grit and sand
washed off people.

Janet.

tim...@mailcity.com

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Jul 1, 2005, 1:37:59 PM7/1/05
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Janet, seems strange to me.

We had somewhat the same problem when we moved in. the septic hauler
came back with a "jet something or other" and used that break-up the
"mass."

It wasn't quick, and it took some effort, but it beat having it
shoveled out....

Offbreed

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Jul 1, 2005, 1:02:40 PM7/1/05
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Might have to do with the tools they have on hand?

Larry Caldwell

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Janet Baraclough wrote:

> Okay. But don't your older tanks have a separate gas vent from the
> underground chamber? Ours has one which is a ceramic grille set into
> ground level.

Sometimes. Generally, septic gasses are vented through the plumbing
stack on the roof of the house. Getting the stink as high in the
atmosphere as possible is generally considered a Good Thing.

> Also, even if our tank hatch was buried underground, the sewage
> pipe to it and the leach pipe from it both have inspection chambers
> visible and reachable at various spots around the garden. From those it
> wouldn't be hard to guess where the tank was located, and as someone
> else has said, from above ground you can hear the distant splash of
> large flushes of water into it.

There should be a sewer line cleanout just outside the house foundation
line, but quite often there is not. There should also be inspection
covers on one or more distribution boxesin the drainfield. When I
replaced my tank, we dug out to the first distribution box. It was
about four feet down.

Until recently, the USA was very rural, and septic systems were
inspected by local jurisictions. An acceptable installation was
determined by local officials, and would vary from modern systems to
used fuel tanks with holes punched in the sides. My old tank was
installed in 1972. It was steel with roofing tar painted on it. I
replaced it because it was rusting out. OTOH, the drain lines are PVC
perf pipe in porous, well oxygenated soil. The state came out and
poured tracer dye down the toilet, and the drain field performed
perfectly, with no sign of environmental contamination. With a new
2-chamber tank, and regular maintenance, I expect the system to last
for the rest of my lifetime.

Matthew Beasley

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Jul 1, 2005, 4:11:26 PM7/1/05
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<tim...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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On the weblink you gave, they are saying that lush green grass over the
leach field is a sign of system failure, particularly when the rest of the
grass is brown. I wonder about this, because around here (mid Willamette
valley of Oregon) EVERY leach field in my neighborhood has lush green grass
in the late summer. It is real obvious where they are.

I not sure if I understand why this is a concern. Is it that the grass
roots are going to plug the gravel? I would think that having the grass
transpire out the water would be a good way to keep it from going into the
water table.

Matthew


Goedjn

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Jul 1, 2005, 4:05:18 PM7/1/05
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On 30 Jun 2005 09:13:11 -0700, tim...@mailcity.com wrote:

>As mentioned, some building departments will have the record, some
>won't.
>
>You might try to find out if the previous owners can tell you where it
>is located. Failing that, if they tank has been pumped before, the
>company that did it might have the record (mine keeps them).
>

When I had my cess-pit pumped the first time,
I told the company that they were going to have to
find the thing themselves, so they brought a little
backhoe, and followed the pipe out of the house, around two
45 degree bends (past the maple tree) and into the neighbor's
yard. They also replaced the half-plugged clay
line with pvc, since they were down there anyway, which I
later discovered was illegal, (it being a cess-pit) so it's
a good thing I can't remember who it was...


Larry Caldwell

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Jul 1, 2005, 4:32:55 PM7/1/05
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Barry Bean wrote some stuff.

Hey, Barry. Good to see you stopping by. You still farming cotton?

Larry

Janet Baraclough

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Jul 1, 2005, 4:36:25 PM7/1/05
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The message <1120241135.9...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

from "Larry Caldwell" <lar...@teleport.com> contains these words:

> Janet Baraclough wrote:

> > Okay. But don't your older tanks have a separate gas vent from the
> > underground chamber? Ours has one which is a ceramic grille set into
> > ground level.

> Sometimes. Generally, septic gasses are vented through the plumbing
> stack on the roof of the house. Getting the stink as high in the
> atmosphere as possible is generally considered a Good Thing.

:~} We have those too. But if there's a long run of pipe from the
house to the tank, there's usually some vent at the tank as well.

> > Also, even if our tank hatch was buried underground, the sewage
> > pipe to it and the leach pipe from it both have inspection chambers
> > visible and reachable at various spots around the garden. From those it
> > wouldn't be hard to guess where the tank was located, and as someone
> > else has said, from above ground you can hear the distant splash of
> > large flushes of water into it.

> There should be a sewer line cleanout just outside the house foundation
> line, but quite often there is not. There should also be inspection
> covers on one or more distribution boxesin the drainfield. When I
> replaced my tank, we dug out to the first distribution box. It was
> about four feet down.

> Until recently, the USA was very rural, and septic systems were
> inspected by local jurisictions. An acceptable installation was
> determined by local officials, and would vary from modern systems to
> used fuel tanks with holes punched in the sides.

Good idea...that's exactly what was used as a holding tank for the
water supply at our last place :-) Bought second hand and steam cleaned.

Janet.
O

JonquilJan

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Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message

news:MPG.1d2eebdaa...@news.west.earthlink.net...

I checked with a local septic pumping service. They said if I'm not having
any problems after 19 years - don't mess with it. And that length of time
is not unusual in this particular area.

Dave Hinz

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Jul 1, 2005, 5:33:07 PM7/1/05
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:55:08 -0400, JonquilJan <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>
> Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d2eebdaa...@news.west.earthlink.net...

>> We are all born ignorant. Some people learn to be stupid.


>
> I checked with a local septic pumping service. They said if I'm not having
> any problems after 19 years - don't mess with it. And that length of time
> is not unusual in this particular area.

Well, maybe in your part of the world, undigestable solids don't get
into the septic systems. Or, maybe the guy would rather replace, than
pump, your system. Hard to say.

Doug Miller

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Jul 1, 2005, 5:34:12 PM7/1/05
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In article <Orhxe.7955$TD6....@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Matthew Beasley" <nu...@msn.com> wrote:

>On the weblink you gave, they are saying that lush green grass over the
>leach field is a sign of system failure, particularly when the rest of the
>grass is brown. I wonder about this, because around here (mid Willamette
>valley of Oregon) EVERY leach field in my neighborhood has lush green grass
>in the late summer. It is real obvious where they are.

Yeah, that's nonsense. Your leach fields have lush green grass in the late
summer because there's water there.

tim...@mailcity.com

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Jul 1, 2005, 7:06:21 PM7/1/05
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My excavating contractor actually told me I was an idiot for letting
them charge me $200 for the jet rodding. He said I could have rented a
pressure washer and done the same thing myself....

Doug Miller

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Of course you could. You could also get spattered with shit. Or you could pay
somebody else $200 to do the work, and get himself shit-spattered instead of
you.

You decide whether it's worth it or not.

Bob Yates

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Jul 2, 2005, 12:38:11 PM7/2/05
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Elmo wrote:

> A friend had a problem with his septic system. Being on the sewer
> commission, he knew that it would be 3-5 years before he would need it
> no longer. And he found out that the fine for putting in an
> unlicensed/unpermitted system was less than the fee for the permit. In
> the same county, the first house I owned had a very interesting drain
> field. The previous owner had dug a pit 15 feet by fifteen feet by
> fifteen feet and filled it with 2B aggregate. The lateral from the tank
> ran to the pit. My guess is that it went straight from there to the
> creek about 50 feet on the other side of the road.
>
> So I'd say that you aren't seeing anything particularly uncommon.
>
My leach field is similar to your first house, except lined with a water
barrier. County approved, at least at the time of installation. No
longer allowed due to poor maintenance by some owners.

hubcap

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Jul 5, 2005, 12:49:03 PM7/5/05
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>>> We are all born ignorant. Some people learn to be stupid.
>>
>> I checked with a local septic pumping service.

What a waste of time when you have usenet <g>...

-mIKE

JonquilJan

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hubcap <hub...@clemson.edu> wrote in message
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LOCAL services are knowledgeable about LOCAL conditions and survive -
through generations - on honesty, reliability and integrity.

Dave Hinz

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Jul 5, 2005, 3:06:16 PM7/5/05
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:58:29 -0400, JonquilJan <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>
> hubcap <hub...@clemson.edu> wrote in message
> news:daedlv$j8c$2...@hubcap.clemson.edu...

>> What a waste of time when you have usenet <g>...

> LOCAL services are knowledgeable about LOCAL conditions and survive -


> through generations - on honesty, reliability and integrity.

Pretty sure he was commenting on the endless sources of fecal materials
to be found on Usenet...

Janet Baraclough

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Jul 5, 2005, 4:16:34 PM7/5/05
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The message <42cad88b$0$61401$38ce...@news.westelcom.com>

from "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> contains these words:

> LOCAL services are knowledgeable about LOCAL conditions and survive -


> through generations - on honesty, reliability and integrity.

Just as often, local services survive on knowing the local history,
having been boys with other locals, knowing how to work the local
system, and how to get away with stuff that no green incomer could.

Janet

frogie

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Jul 10, 2005, 3:12:25 PM7/10/05
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In article <1120074914.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
jbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I moved into my home about 3 years ago...
>
> Before we could finalize the deal, our loan person said we needed to
> get the septic tank inspected first. I remember this vividly because we
> were to move out in a week, and if we weren't able to get into this
> house, we would be homeless till the tank got inspected.
>
> Apparantly it did because they let us move in and finish the loan.
>
> Having said that, since the house is about 10 years old, I figured I
> would call to get the septic tank pumped...
>
> LONG story (about a month long) short, the plumbers wanted me to call
> my counties health department to find the location before they came
> out, said it would cost me less that way. Turns out, my health dept has
> no record of my septic tank...
>
> Is this common/normal/acceptable practice? SHOULDNT they have a record
> of it? I wish I could complain to someone, but who is over county
> stuff? The environmentalists are only in the office from 8am to 9am
> weekends (great hours huh) the rest of the time they are out in the
> field, so getting a hold of one is next to impossible...
>
> Should I report something like this or is it common in rural counties?

we all might learn from this.
When building , take photos or make drawings of work that is to be
hidden. septic fields, pipes and wires in the wallls etc.
Even if you never need it, it's a nice packet to hand to the new owners

--
Money doesn't just talk, it swears.

jbr...@gmail.com

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Jul 14, 2005, 4:21:58 PM7/14/05
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called a septic tank company, they came in, stuck a shovel in the
ground, foudn the lid. Popped it off, sucked all the crap out, and were
done in about 30 minutes...200 bucks.

why did i WASTE any time with my county...?

Doug Miller

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Jul 14, 2005, 5:21:30 PM7/14/05
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Just like I toldya... any competent septic tech can find that tank in under 15
minutes. Probably didn't even take him five...

Brock Ulfsen

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Open a kitchen cupboard or similar space, carefully permanent marker or
paint a map showing the location, and giving the name of the contractor.
In 5 or ten years time you or the next owner may thank you for it.

...Brock.

Dave Hinz

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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:12:46 +1000, Brock Ulfsen <elfw...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

> Open a kitchen cupboard or similar space, carefully permanent marker or
> paint a map showing the location, and giving the name of the contractor.
> In 5 or ten years time you or the next owner may thank you for it.

Right. Triangulate it by measuring from two points that won't move.
Trees would be a bad reference - corners of the house would be good.
200 feet from this corner, 317 feet from that corner, and here's a
picture. Unless the house moves, you're set.

Wow. Brock and I agree on something.

Dave Hinz

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