Ways to dispense high tensile wire
corman
I'm building a high tensile smooth wire fence, and have some long
straight stretches to fence. I'm using 100lb spools of the wire, which
are a real pain to deal with when they are nearly full.
Does anyone have any advice on how to dispense the wire off of the
spool? I've tried leaving the spool in one place and running the wire
out, but the wire comes off the spool and twists, makingit hard to deal
with. If I could rig something up so that the spool could be carried,
so that the wire comes off the spool in the same direction it went on,
it wouldn't twist - but the spools are just too heavy. I've seen
'spinning jennys' being recommended, but to get the wire on the
spinning jenny I'd have to take it off the spool it came on, so that
doesn't seem to be any easier that just dealing with the twisting.
I'm just to see what inventive ways others have used to run out the
wire!
Thanks,
Corey
kelly...@gmail.com
corman wrote:
> I've seen
> 'spinning jennys' being recommended, but to get the wire on the
> spinning jenny I'd have to take it off the spool it came on, so that
> doesn't seem to be any easier that just dealing with the twisting.
Well, you've got some nerve posting an on-topic question to this group!
I'll take a stab:
A spinning jenny is what you want. You don't need to re-coil the wire
on the jenny, the jenny has adjustable arms as the core, so you place
the coil of wire on and adjust the arms to hold it tight. Really, a
jenny is what you want. SHould cost less than $50 for a simple one;
I've seen some places that rent them as well. You could probably
jury-rig something if you needed to, and had an appropriate bearing.
Wait, I just re-read what you wrote: the wire came on a spool? I've
never seen that before - around here, high-tensile wire comes in
spool-less coils.
Kelly
Randy
How about something like this.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/detail.asp?pcID=8&paID=1043&sonID=827&page=&productID=827&linkedFrom=Homepage
All sorts of devices made for what you want to do. Some attach to your
tractor, truck or whatever.
Goedjn
wrote:
The biggest issue I have is that I you don't keep the wire under
a certain amount of tension as it feeds, the coils relax and all
try to come off at once. So what you do is build a large "U" shaped
thing like the front fork of a bicycle, with an axel that goes
through the wire-spool. The wire feeds off the spool through a hole
drilled in the far end of the 'U', which keeps the wire from coming
back, and you pack tape on the axle up against the hub to keep the
wire-spool from spinning too freely. If you're moving the whole
coil instead of just the free end of the wire, you extend the planks
past the wire-feed/brake to a wheel, and past the coil of wire
to create a sort of impromptu wheelbarrow.
Although if you're using 100 pound spools and not just 1/4 mile ones,
you probably need a bicycle wheel instead of a lawnmower wheel,
and some sort of stabilizer/stand so you can put the thing down.
How big around is one of these coils? (diameter?)
AL
Yeah, that one had me stumped too. Depending on the type of spool, he
might get by with a piece of black pipe passed through the spool. Either
mount it on a makeshift stand or have a second person carry the other
end of the pipe to unroll it. Or, mount the pipe across the lift arms of
a tractor and unrolled the wire while driving - some type of drag is
needed to keep the spool from overspinning and creating a rats nest of
wire. That's how we used to handle barbed wire.
AL
(we'd better get this resolved quickly to avoid having this thread
hijacked...)
Jack
Got a helper?
Stick a rod throgh the spool .Anchor wire end. Grab ends of rod and
start walking.
Spool will unwind. Pretty simple.
Larry Caldwell
lit...@hamiltoncomwb.net (AL) says...
> Yeah, that one had me stumped too. Depending on the type of spool, he
> might get by with a piece of black pipe passed through the spool. Either
> mount it on a makeshift stand or have a second person carry the other
> end of the pipe to unroll it. Or, mount the pipe across the lift arms of
> a tractor and unrolled the wire while driving - some type of drag is
> needed to keep the spool from overspinning and creating a rats nest of
> wire. That's how we used to handle barbed wire.
That was my first thought - a pipe through the 3-point hitch.
I don't know what a spinning jenny is, I guess. Isn't that something to
do with the textile industry, spinning fiber into thread automatically?
When I was a kid working on a pole bean farm, we ran out miles of wire
every year and wound it up at the end of the season. We used a PTO
powered wire winder that had a cam on one side that released the roll of
wire when it got full. It would be overkill for what this guy wants.
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Peter Huebner
cdale_s...@hotmail.com says...
I'd stick a steel pipe through the spool, and put it up on a couple of blocks.
Then put a brake on the spool so it doesn't overshoot and tangle when you stop
pulling wire off (a long 2" board with a weight on it, resting on the spool
should do) and then I'd pull the wire out with an atv -- at least that's what I
always do on long runs (very dodgy knee here). That's what I did when I had to
run out some ht wire from a spool, except I had a helper act the brake. To make
sure the wire comes straight off the spool you can run it through a tent-peg
placed 10 feet straight out from the mounted spool. Under no circumstances
should you pull the wire off over the side of the spool.
Actually, I don't see why you couldn't make something up that allows you to
mount your spool verticaly on a (braked) spinning jenny like contraption so
long as you can keep the wire from falling off and tangling when you stop
pulling.
-Peter
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Peter Huebner
firstnamel...@peaksky.com says...
>
> That was my first thought - a pipe through the 3-point hitch.
>
> I don't know what a spinning jenny is, I guess. Isn't that something to
> do with the textile industry, spinning fiber into thread automatically?
>
http://www.kencove.com/wire.htm
There are 3 different spinning jennies pictured near the bottom of the page.
I welded mine up from 1/2" pipe and 4@1/4" bolts, took me a couple of hours and
a small can of paint and some bits of alcathene pipe as 'wearing' surfaces,
been serving for 25 years ...
-P.
Farm1
"corman" <cdale_s...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159454163....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've not
ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all the
way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod (such as
a crow bar) through it? If it does have a hole and you can do this
then you could mount it on say wooden work horses with nails holding
the crowbar/steel and run it the wire out from the spool that way.
Dean Hoffman
<451e1af2$0$15637$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote:
> Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've not
> ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all the
> way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod (such as
> a crow bar) through it? If it does have a hole and you can do this
> then you could mount it on say wooden work horses with nails holding
> the crowbar/steel and run it the wire out from the spool that way.
It's pretty common here in my part of the US. Farmers use it
for temporary fencing. They'll run cattle into the corn fields after
harvest. Cattle learn pretty quickly where that electrified wire is.
Dean
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Peter Huebner
please@askifyouwannaknow says...
>
> Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've not
> ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all the
> way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod (such as
> a crow bar) through it?
>
They used to sell aluminium coated wire here for a while that came on spools.
I used that for electric fence leadouts for the better conductivity. Problem is
you can't join it with galvanized wire, they rot each other, have to use
stainless steel between. Haven't seen it on offer in NZ for a while though.
-Peter
prairie farm
"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message
news:451e1af2$0$15637$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "corman" <cdale_s...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1159454163....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>
> Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've not
> ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all the
> way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod (such as
> a crow bar) through it? If it does have a hole and you can do this
> then you could mount it on say wooden work horses with nails holding
> the crowbar/steel and run it the wire out from the spool that way.
>
>
of the end until it is attached there where you want it and never take the
slack of the spool. I use a piece of inner tube for friction brake when I
slow down. And for the youngsters (my grand kids) don't drive too fast, it
will tip the bike over.;)
Farm1
> "Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote:
>
>
> > Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've
not
> > ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all
the
> > way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod
(such as
> > a crow bar) through it? If it does have a hole and you can do
this
> > then you could mount it on say wooden work horses with nails
holding
> > the crowbar/steel and run it the wire out from the spool that way.
>
> It's pretty common here in my part of the US. Farmers use
it
> for temporary fencing. They'll run cattle into the corn fields
after
> harvest. Cattle learn pretty quickly where that electrified wire
is.
High tensile ELECTRIC wire??? Must admit the only high tensile stuff
I've ever seen is for wire fences and not electric.
Dean Hoffman
<451f69c5$0$15613$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
"Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote:
This is what I was thinking of:
http://tinyurl.com/rb94s
Farmers use something like this to energize the wire:
http://tinyurl.com/ph36s
Tape and rope here for use in horse fencing:
http://tinyurl.com/ostka
Randy
Farm1 wrote:
> High tensile ELECTRIC wire??? Must admit the only high tensile stuff
> I've ever seen is for wire fences and not electric.
We have lots of high tensile electric at our place.
Randy
corman
Thanks to everyone that responded! There are several great ideas in
there that I hadn't thought of.
The spool itself does have a hole through the core. When the first
spool was nearing empty, it was easier for my wife and I to run it out
using an old shovel handle through the core as handles. When full,
it's just too heavy.
I going to try something similar to what Peter recommended, using a
pipe through the spool and the ends of the pipe resting through a
couple of cinder blocks, or possibly attached to a couple of saw horses
if the first method doesn't work. I'll attach the loose end of wire to
my lawn tractor and run it out while someone watches over the spool to
make sure it doesn't over spin or the whole contraption come apart!
Thanks again to everyone!
Cheers,
Corey
AL
> High tensile ELECTRIC wire???
Lets break it down for the mouth_from_the_south:
High tensile wire (a smooth solid high strength steel wire, around 12ga)
+ insulated supports + fence charger(s) = electric fence = high tensile
ELECTRIC wire!!!
See? It wasn't all that difficult, was it?
AL
Larry Caldwell
no....@this.address (Peter Huebner) says...
> In article <MPG.1f86c392b...@news.peaksky.com>,
> firstnamel...@peaksky.com says...
> >
> > That was my first thought - a pipe through the 3-point hitch.
> >
> > I don't know what a spinning jenny is, I guess. Isn't that something to
> > do with the textile industry, spinning fiber into thread automatically?
> >
>
> http://www.kencove.com/wire.htm
>
> There are 3 different spinning jennies pictured near the bottom of the page.
>
> I welded mine up from 1/2" pipe and 4@1/4" bolts, took me a couple of hours and
> a small can of paint and some bits of alcathene pipe as 'wearing' surfaces,
> been serving for 25 years ...
Ah. I used things like that all the time as a kid, but we never called
them a jenny.
I studied about this spinning jenny in history class:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TEXjenny.htm
And now for something entirely different...
Leif Erikson
Hey, AL: the fat farm pig frannie spent 30 years in government, don't
you know, so I imagine there isn't anything she doesn't think she knows
better than anyone else.
AL
Sure, don't you remember her telling us how so many locals seek her out
for her depth of knowledge? Never mind they are the stumbling cross eyed
slobbering drunks at the dive tavern where she hangs out before
returning home to something she calls the 'himself' - I'm growing
suspicious that may be what they call a gender reassignment down there...
AL
Farm1
> please@askifyouwannaknow says...
> >
> > Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've
not
> > ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all
the
> > way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod
(such as
> > a crow bar) through it?
> >
>
> They used to sell aluminium coated wire here for a while that came
on spools.
The only spools we've used are barb wire. And we put those on the top
of the wire spinner using a crow bar through the centre pin. Feeds
out well though but I get the job of feeding it.
Wonder why :-))).
Farm1
news:efn0vl$1tm$1...@emma.aioe.org...
> "Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote in message
> > Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've
not
> > ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all
the
> > way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod
(such as
> > a crow bar) through it? If it does have a hole and you can do
this
> > then you could mount it on say wooden work horses with nails
holding
> > the crowbar/steel and run it the wire out from the spool that way.
> >
> >
> I use a thing like that on the back of a quad, tricky thing is;
never let go
> of the end until it is attached there where you want it
I'll bet every single on of us who does fencing has been caught by
that whipping wire at some stage :-))
and never take the
> slack of the spool. I use a piece of inner tube for friction brake
when I
> slow down.
A most useful pice of farm equipment. I use it to stop the chaffing
on trees when I have to stake them and as a tie and all sorts of other
things. Since I've given up work, I don't wear stockings any more so
had to find a replacement material. Inner tube does well.
Leif Erikson
> "Peter Huebner" <no....@this.address> wrote in message
>
>>please@askifyouwannaknow says...
>>
>>>Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've
>
> not
>
>>>ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all
>
> the
>
>>>way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod
>
> (such as
>
>>>a crow bar) through it?
>>>
>>
>>They used to sell aluminium coated wire here for a while that came
>
> on spools.
>
> The only spools we've used are barb wire.
BARBED wire, you semi-literate cheeselog.
Dean Hoffman
Leif Erikson <jack...@phs.con> wrote:
> BARBED wire, you semi-literate cheeselog.
This site is on my list of things to read someday:
http://tinyurl.com/b4qrp
Farm1
> "Farm1" <please@askifyouwannaknow> wrote:
> > "Dean Hoffman" <dh0496@i%ne^bras*&ka.com> wrote in message
> > > It's pretty common here in my part of the US. Farmers
use it
> > > for temporary fencing. They'll run cattle into the corn fields
after
> > > harvest. Cattle learn pretty quickly where that electrified
wire
> > is.
> >
> > High tensile ELECTRIC wire??? Must admit the only high tensile
stuff
> > I've ever seen is for wire fences and not electric.
I was a bit sloppy in my wording on the earlier post. I should have
said that I haven't seen high tensile wire specifically for use on
only an electric fence.
> This is what I was thinking of:
> http://tinyurl.com/rb94s
I don't recognise those guages at all. And they don't mention that
it's high tensile. I wouldn't have thought that the posts they show
with them would hold a high tensile wire as they look a bit flimsy.
Although I guess it can still be high tensile even if it's not going
to be strained up tight.
To hold a high tensile wire over some of the distances some of the
wire at that site would cover (ie a quarter of a mile) I'd have
thought that it'd need to use a star picket with the plastic holders
(I think Americans call them Y posts???) as a minimum??????
> Farmers use something like this to energize the wire:
> http://tinyurl.com/ph36s
Looks similar to the sort of energisers we use. We have one connected
to teh mains and the one at the other farm is solar.
> Tape and rope here for use in horse fencing:
> http://tinyurl.com/ostka
Yeah that looks like the sort of temporary stuff we'd use too if we
needed to.
Someone once told me that the electric fencing for horses and cattle
has to be different as horses can't take the sort of hit that cattle
can. Dunno if that's right but I've remembered it in case we ever
have horses again.
Farm1
> The spool itself does have a hole through the core. When the first
> spool was nearing empty, it was easier for my wife and I to run it
out
> using an old shovel handle through the core as handles. When full,
> it's just too heavy.
Been there, done that with barb wire :-))
>
> I going to try something similar to what Peter recommended, using a
> pipe through the spool and the ends of the pipe resting through a
> couple of cinder blocks, or possibly attached to a couple of saw
horses
> if the first method doesn't work. I'll attach the loose end of wire
to
> my lawn tractor and run it out while someone watches over the spool
to
> make sure it doesn't over spin or the whole contraption come apart!
And I'll bet that the "someone" doing the watching of the spool will
be the wife! Why do we always get the rotten jobs. Sigh!
Farm1
> AL wrote:
> > Farm1 wrote:
> >
> >> High tensile ELECTRIC wire???
> >
> > Lets break it down for the mouth_from_the_south:
> >
> > High tensile wire (a smooth solid high strength steel wire, around
12ga)
> > + insulated supports + fence charger(s) = electric fence = high
tensile
> > ELECTRIC wire!!!
> >
> > See? It wasn't all that difficult, was it?
AL you know I can't see you now you're back in the kill file. All
that bleating and insulting in the wilderness. Such a waste.
But anyone who uses 12 guage for an electic fence has more money than
sense.
And even dim old you should know that the sort of fence required to
hold 12 guage does not consist of just "+ insulated supports + fence
charger(s) = electric fence = high tensile ELECTRIC wire." 8 guage is
enough and it requires posts and strainers or outriders fitted on a
standard and then it doesn't need to be high tensile, just
electrified.
> Hey, AL: the fat farm pig frannie spent 30 years in government,
don't
> you know, so I imagine there isn't anything she doesn't think she
knows
> better than anyone else.
Well Jon, you wouldn't know piece of 12 guage men's wire from an 8
guage boy's wire if it bit you on your ignorant arse and nor could you
use them. I can fence with both even though the 12 guage IS more of a
challenge. I've got it all over you in that department little man,
but then you know nothing about anything anyway.
Jim Ledford
> Farm1 wrote:
>
[....]
> >
> > The only spools we've used are barb wire.
>
> BARBED wire, you semi-literate cheeselog.
barbwire \"barb-"wir, "bab-\ noun (1880)
: barbed wire
Jan Flora
"prairie farm" <fa...@no-mail.com> wrote:
We built a barbed wire spool dealy-bob for the back of our quad.
The friction brake is a 1/4 section piece of old 8" plastic (ABS?)
harbor dredge pipe.
We've been replacing a few miles of 5-wire fence every year. Since
we both turned 50 last year, we're way into building devices that
make the work easier. (And we're replacing wooden fence posts with
drill stem posts and using RR ties for the corners. We don't intend to
rebuild the fences again in our lifetimes. The next generation can do
that.)
Jan
--
Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat.
Jim Ledford
I've before in this news group spoken my feelings concerning
city people and how city people are rude know it all's with a
total lack of regard for anything or anyone. city people move
into the rural areas and destroy the beauty of the area with
their need to hug a street light. city people think they know
the only correct answer where no other answer other than their
city person answer could or should be considered. city people
are arrogant past the point of acceptance. thank you al and
lief for showing your city person selves in this thread so as
to reinforce my already stated point concerning the rude nature
of city persons. I'd also like to thank sheldon for again
showing the nature of the rude city person in where sheldon was
required by his city person nature to be rude to Ann concerning
the cutting of tile.
examples abound...
(PeteCresswell)
>barbwire \"barb-"wir, "bab-\ noun (1880)
My Webster's College Dictionary has that as a secondary spelling of barbed wire.
Maybe some kind of natural phonetic evolution as syllables get dropped over
time? Sort of like the "can goods" sign in the local supermarket?
--
PeteCresswell
Leif Erikson
> guage boy's wire
I don't have any reason to know it, you fat pig. I can't do maintenance
on a nuclear reactor, either. So fucking what? You take the cake for
stupid inane bullshit.
Leif Erikson
Right, you stupid unschooled hick: it's a back country hick
colloquialism, like "ain't" and "he don't". I know what is meant when
some stupid hick says "barb wire", jimmie, but that doesn't make it right.
Leif Erikson
I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE IN THIS NEWS GROUP, you mean. But it was stilted
when you spoke before, too.
> my feelings concerning
> city people and how city people are rude
Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee" "city
people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
Leif Erikson
> Per Jim Ledford:
>> barbwire \"barb-"wir, "bab-\ noun (1880)
>
> My Webster's College Dictionary has that as a secondary spelling of barbed wire.
Not secondary; NON-STANDARD; i.e., wrong.
Doug Miller
>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>
>> I've before in this news group spoken
>
>I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE IN THIS NEWS GROUP, you mean. But it was stilted
>when you spoke before, too.
>
>
>> my feelings concerning
>> city people and how city people are rude
>
>Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee" "city
>people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
And Crazy Jonnie misses the irony completely, as he unwittingly proves Jim's
point about city people being rude. [For the benefit of those who might be new
here, Jon's a city boy, who is totally unacquainted with rural life.]
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
Leif Erikson
> In article <9z8Ug.4134$Y24....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, le...@norvege.no wrote:
>
>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>
>
>>>I've before in this news group spoken
>>
>>I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE IN THIS NEWS GROUP, you mean. But it was stilted
>>when you spoke before, too.
>>
>>
>>
>>>my feelings concerning
>>>city people and how city people are rude
>>
>>Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee" "city
>>people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
>
>
There was no irony. Hick jimmie is not polite. You
are not polite. The hick rustics are not generally
more polite than the urbane city dwellers.
Fuck off, torture-supporting dougie, you gutless
chickenshit.
Doug Miller
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article <9z8Ug.4134$Y24....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> le...@norvege.no wrote:
>>
>>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I've before in this news group spoken
>>>
>>>I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE IN THIS NEWS GROUP, you mean. But it was stilted
>>>when you spoke before, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>my feelings concerning
>>>>city people and how city people are rude
>>>
>>>Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee" "city
>>>people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
>>
>>
>> point about city people being rude. [For the benefit of those who might be
>> new here, Jon's a city boy, who is totally unacquainted with rural life.]
>
>There was no irony.
There certainly was, Jon -- too bad you're not smart enough to catch it.
>Hick jimmie is not polite.
Jim is much more polite than you are, Jon.
>You are not polite.
Compared to you, Jon, I am the very model of politeness and civility.
>The hick rustics are not generally
>more polite than the urbane city dwellers.
Jon, you're proving the point [again] that you are totally unacquainted with
rural life.
>
>Fuck off, torture-supporting dougie, you gutless
>chickenshit.
This, from the guy who says I am "not polite". ROTFLMAO.
You've got a lot of gall, Jon, to call me "gutless". I'm not posting here
under a pseudonym like you are, Jon Ball of Pasadena CA -- I'm using my real
name. That's because I'm not ashamed of my own name. Maybe you're not either,
but you've good cause to be.
Leif Erikson
> In article <RKbUg.4187$Y24...@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Leif Erikson <jack...@phs.con> wrote:
> >Doug Miller wrote:
> >> In article <9z8Ug.4134$Y24....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > le...@norvege.no wrote:
> >>
> >>>Jim Ledford wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>I've before in this news group spoken
> >>>
> >>>I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE IN THIS NEWS GROUP, you mean. But it was stilted
> >>>when you spoke before, too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>my feelings concerning
> >>>>city people and how city people are rude
> >>>
> >>>Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee" "city
> >>>people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
> >>
> >>
> >> And Crazy Jonnie misses the irony completely, as he unwittingly proves Jim's
> >> point about city people being rude. [For the benefit of those who might be
> >> new here, Jon's a city boy, who is totally unacquainted with rural life.]
>
> >
> >There was no irony.
>
> There certainly was, Jon
There wasn't, dougie.
> >Hick jimmie is not polite.
>
> Jim is much more polite than you are,
jimmie the inbred rustic isn't polite at all, dougie. It's a sham.
> >You are not polite.
>
> Compared to you
You are not polite at all, dougie. You're an arrogant, insufferable
little prick.
> >The hick rustics are not generally
> >more polite than the urbane city dwellers.
>
> Leif, you're proving the point
I'm establishing that rustics are not intrinsically any more polite
than urbane city dwellers, dougie.
> >Fuck off, torture-supporting dougie, you gutless
> >chickenshit.
>
> This,
Yes, this: fuck off, torture-supporting dougie.
> You've got a lot of gall to call me "gutless".
You are gutless, torture-supporting dougie.
Randy
Little Jonnie must be off his meds again.
Doug Miller
>gutless coward dougie whined:
>> In article <RKbUg.4187$Y24...@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Leif
> Erikson <jack...@phs.con> wrote:
>> >Doug Miller wrote:
>> >> In article <9z8Ug.4134$Y24....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> > le...@norvege.no wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Jim Ledford wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>I've before in this news group spoken
>> >>>
>> >>>I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE IN THIS NEWS GROUP, you mean. But it was stilted
>> >>>when you spoke before, too.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>my feelings concerning
>> >>>>city people and how city people are rude
>> >>>
>> >>>Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee" "city
>> >>>people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And Crazy Jonnie misses the irony completely, as he unwittingly proves
> Jim's
>> >> point about city people being rude. [For the benefit of those who might be
>> >> new here, Jon's a city boy, who is totally unacquainted with rural life.]
>>
>> >
>> >There was no irony.
>>
>> There certainly was, Jon
>
>There wasn't, dougie.
Oh, yes, there was, Jon -- but you're too stupid to see it.
>
>
>> >Hick jimmie is not polite.
>>
>> Jim is much more polite than you are,
>
>jimmie the inbred rustic isn't polite at all, dougie. It's a sham.
>
>
>> >You are not polite.
>>
>> Compared to you I am a model of politeness and civility.
>
>You are not polite at all, dougie. You're an arrogant, insufferable
>little prick.
ROTFLMAO! Who's being impolite here, Jonathan Ball?
>
>
>> >The hick rustics are not generally
>> >more polite than the urbane city dwellers.
>>
>> Jon, you're proving the point
>
>I'm establishing that rustics are not intrinsically any more polite
>than urbane city dwellers, dougie.
>
>
>> >Fuck off, torture-supporting dougie, you gutless
>> >chickenshit.
>>
>> This, from the guy who says I'm not polite.
>
>Yes, this: fuck off, torture-supporting dougie.
And this... Who's being impolite here, Jon?
You're a coward, Jon. You wouldn't dare speak that way to my face, and you
know it.
>
>
>> You've got a lot of gall to call me "gutless".
>
>You are gutless, torture-supporting dougie.
You're a liar, psychotic coward Jon Ball. I don't support torture, and no
matter how many times you repeat that lie, it's still a lie. And you're still
crazy. And you're still too much of a coward to post under your real name.
What's the matter, Jon Ball of Pasadena CA USA? Too ashamed of your own name
to admit who you really are? You're not fooling anyone by posting behind this
"Leif Erikson" sock puppet.
Jim Ledford
> Leif Erikson wrote:
> > Doug Miller wrote:
> >> Leif Erikson wrote:
> >>> Jim Ledford wrote:
[....]
> >>>>my feelings concerning
> >>>>city people and how city people are rude
> >>>
> >>>Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee" "city
> >>>people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
> >>
> >>
> >> And Crazy Jonnie misses the irony completely, as he unwittingly proves Jim's
> >> point about city people being rude. [For the benefit of those who might be
> >> new here, Jon's a city boy, who is totally unacquainted with rural life.]
>
> >
> >There was no irony.
>
> There certainly was, Jon -- too bad you're not smart enough to catch it.
>
> >Hick jimmie is not polite.
>
> Jim is much more polite than you are, Jon.
>
> >You are not polite.
>
> Compared to you, Jon, I am the very model of politeness and civility.
>
> >The hick rustics are not generally
> >more polite than the urbane city dwellers.
>
> Jon, you're proving the point [again] that you are totally unacquainted with
> rural life.
> >
> >Fuck off, torture-supporting dougie, you gutless
> >chickenshit.
>
> This, from the guy who says I am "not polite". ROTFLMAO.
>
> You've got a lot of gall, Jon, to call me "gutless". I'm not posting here
> under a pseudonym like you are, Jon Ball of Pasadena CA -- I'm using my real
> name. That's because I'm not ashamed of my own name. Maybe you're not either,
> but you've good cause to be.
quoting from this source:
http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/389999.html
"Leif Erikson, the Viking credited with sailing
to North America before Christopher Columbus."
today while scanning the local news paper I found something
hilarious. turns out we got a rude city person named jon ball
living in kalifornication posting to a news group, where the main
focus topic should reflect rural life, who is posting under a
nom de guerre reflecting the name of a famous Viking.
to damn funny and yes I can say jon ball is nothing more than
another poor fraudulent soul trapped in a city with great ambitions
to be something jon ball will never be. ROTFLMAO @U jon ball...
Leif Erikson
Trite. Predictably trite.
Leif Erikson
> In article <1159828355....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Leif Erikson" <notg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> gutless coward dougie whined:
>>> In article <RKbUg.4187$Y24...@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Leif
>> Erikson <jack...@phs.con> wrote:
>>>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>> In article <9z8Ug.4134$Y24....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>>>> le...@norvege.no wrote:
>>>>>> Jim Ledford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've before in this news group spoken
>>>>>> I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE IN THIS NEWS GROUP, you mean. But it was stilted
>>>>>> when you spoke before, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my feelings concerning
>>>>>>> city people and how city people are rude
>>>>>> Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee" "city
>>>>>> people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Crazy Jonnie misses the irony completely, as he unwittingly proves
>> Jim's
>>>>> point about city people being rude. [For the benefit of those who might be
>>>>> new here, Jon's a city boy, who is totally unacquainted with rural life.]
>>>> There was no irony.
>>> There certainly was, Jon
>> There wasn't, dougie.
>
> Oh, yes, there was,
No, dougie - no irony. You wouldn't know irony if I jammed it down your
throat.
>>>> Hick jimmie is not polite.
>>> Jim is much more polite than you are,
>> jimmie the inbred rustic isn't polite at all, dougie. It's a sham.
>>
>>
>>>> You are not polite.
>>> Compared to you I am a model of politeness and civility.
>> You are not polite at all, dougie. You're an arrogant, insufferable
>> little prick.
>
> ROTFLMAO! Who's being impolite here
You and the stupid rustic jimmie are not polite. You're both arrogant
pricks.
>>>> The hick rustics are not generally
>>>> more polite than the urbane city dwellers.
>>> Jon, you're proving the point
>> I'm establishing that rustics are not intrinsically any more polite
>> than urbane city dwellers, dougie.
>>
>>
>>>> Fuck off, torture-supporting dougie, you gutless
>>>> chickenshit.
>>> This, from the guy who says I'm not polite.
>> Yes, this: fuck off, torture-supporting dougie.
>
> And this.
Yes, this: fuck off, torture-supporting dougie.
> You're a coward, Leif.
Nope.
> You wouldn't dare speak that way to my face,
Sure I would, dougie, you little prickcheese.
>>> You've got a lot of gall to call me "gutless".
>> You are gutless, torture-supporting dougie.
>
> You're a liar,
Nope.
> I don't support torture,
Yes, you do, dougie. You kept trying to spin what was done to detainees
at Guantanamo as not being torture when it plainly was. You engaged in
the most oafish dance over it. Defending torture was why you stupidly
tried to assert that the detainees are not covered by the Geneva
Conventions. Your ENTIRE POINT in that stupid and *failed* effort was
to try to defend what was done to them, dougie: you believe that if
they're not covered by the GC, we may do whatever we like, including
torture.
Stop lying, dougie, you gutless little chickenshit. You *did* defend
torture, dougie - you wouldn't have been tying yourself into knots
trying to say that the detainees don't hold GC protections against
torture *except* to defend what has been done to them, dougie; and what
was done to them was torture, and you have defended it.
Leif Erikson
You didn't see anything about that in your local "news paper" [sic],
jimmie. Stop lying.
You are a rude rustic, jimmie. Rude and stupid.
> to
TOO, you stupid fucking hayseed.
> ROTFLMAO @U
You're not laughing, jimmie, you dumb cousin-fucker.
Doug Miller
Prove it, you gutless coward. A whois search on the domain I'm posting from
shows my real name, address, and phone number. Come to Indianapolis and say
those things to my face, you gutless little shrimp. You won't, though, because
you're one of those little guys who's big and brave when he's two thousand
miles away -- but you won't dare to come within arm's length of me, you
sniveling little five-foot-six-inch coward.
>
>
>>>> You've got a lot of gall to call me "gutless".
>>> You are gutless, torture-supporting dougie.
>>
>> You're a liar,
>
>Nope.
Yes, you are.
>
>
>> I don't support torture,
>
>Yes, you do, dougie.
No, I don't, Jon, and no matter how many times you repeat that lie, it's still
a lie, and you're still a cowardly little liar.
> You kept trying to spin what was done to detainees
>at Guantanamo as not being torture when it plainly was.
I questioned how acts that a person commits _on_himself_ can possibly be
torture. You still haven't explained that one.
>You engaged in
>the most oafish dance over it. Defending torture was why you stupidly
>tried to assert that the detainees are not covered by the Geneva
>Conventions.
They're not -- and if you had ever bothered to read the applicable part of the
GC, you'd know that too.
>Your ENTIRE POINT in that stupid and *failed* effort was
>to try to defend what was done to them, dougie: you believe that if
>they're not covered by the GC, we may do whatever we like, including
>torture.
I never said that, Jon. Go back on your meds. You're starting to read things
that nobody wrote. That's not quite as bad as hearing voices that aren't
there, but I'll bet that also happens to you.
>
>Stop lying, dougie, you gutless little chickenshit.
You're the one who's lying, Jon, you five-foot-six-inch coward.
>You *did* defend
>torture, dougie -
Liar.
> you wouldn't have been tying yourself into knots
>trying to say that the detainees don't hold GC protections against
>torture
I didn't say that. I said they are not covered by the GC - period. And they're
not. Anyone with a normal ability to comprehend written English, who has
actually bothered to read the GC -- and it's obvious that at least one of
those conditions is not met in your case -- can see that.
>*except* to defend what has been done to them, dougie; and what
>was done to them was torture, and you have defended it.
Only in your mind, Jon.
Farm1
Well dang me liddle Jonny Boy! Ah'm pickin up Yankee habits! Ma
spellin is goin to tha Devil and Ah'm spellin like Ah'm a Yank. P'haps
ya'd betta tell this Merikan University how rong they is when they
calls it barb wire:
http://www.agry.purdue.edu/ext/forages/rotational/fencing/fence%20pict
ures/barbwire.html
Farm1
> We've been replacing a few miles of 5-wire fence every year. Since
> we both turned 50 last year, we're way into building devices that
> make the work easier. (And we're replacing wooden fence posts with
> drill stem posts and using RR ties for the corners. We don't intend
to
> rebuild the fences again in our lifetimes. The next generation can
do
> that.)
Remember teh old song with the line "you don't know what you've got
till it's gone"?
We recently saw miles of a wonderful old fence made with wood
strainers and instead of steel droppers it had all wood posts where
normally steel droppers would be. It was only then that we realised
how few of these fences were now left. The work that must have gone
ito this fence and it still looked good.
Farm1
> Farm1 wrote:
> > "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
> >> Hey, AL: the fat farm pig frannie spent 30 years in government,
> > don't
> >> you know, so I imagine there isn't anything she doesn't think she
> > knows
> >> better than anyone else.
> >
> > Well Leif, you wouldn't know piece of 12 guage men's wire from an
8
> > guage boy's wire
>
> I don't have any reason to know it, you fat pig. I can't do
maintenance
> on a nuclear reactor, either. So fucking what?
The "so what?" is that you know sweet Fester Arbuckle about fencing!
Ignorance doesn't stop you blabbermouthing though.
Farm1
> Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee"
"city
> people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
That's "arse" you moron! Unless of course you mean that he should
take up your habit and start having sex with donkeys!
Leif Erikson
Poor little pseudo-tough dougie.
>>>>> You've got a lot of gall to call me "gutless".
>>>> You are gutless, torture-supporting dougie.
>>> You're a liar,
>> Nope.
>
> Yes, you are.
>>
>>> I don't support torture,
>> Yes, you do, dougie.
>
> No, I don't, Leif,
Yes, you do, dougie, you gutless little shitbag. You put up over a
dozen posts trying to defend it. Why are you trying to back-pedal now?
>> You kept trying to spin what was done to detainees
>> at Guantanamo as not being torture when it plainly was.
>
> I questioned how acts that a person commits _on_himself_ can possibly be
> torture. You still haven't explained that one.
You did more than that, dougie. And I *did* explain it, you cunt. The
detainee pulled his own hair out BECAUSE OF the acts of torture that
were committed against him, you goddamned fucking cowardly
shit-4-braincell CUNT. Pulling the hair out wasn't the torture, dougie,
you STUPID shit-eating cunt; it was the *result* of torture.
You stupid hick fat fuck. The man was tortured. No sane and *honest*
person - that second is a key requirement that you *fail*, dougie, you
LYING shitbag - could think that the man wasn't tortured, but here's
your lying asshole attempt:
From the *FBI* report:
"The A/C had been turned off, making the temperature in
the unventilated room probably well over 100 degrees,"
lying TORTURE-DEFENDING hick fat fuck dougie:
For people who live in a part of the world where temperatures
routinely exceed 120, 100 probably feels comfortable.
Defense of torture, dougie.
From the *FBI* report:
"The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of
hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his own
hair out throughout the night."
lying TORTURE-DEFENDING hick fat fuck dougie:
How is it "torture" when the guy pulls out _his_own_ hair?
honest pro-American citizen Leif:
The things that were done to the man *in* 100F +
temperatures are what constitute the torture, dougie.
lying, dissembling, TORTURE-DEFENDING cocksucker dougie:
I didn't see any mention in your post of anything that was done to
him.
[at this point, the gutless hick shitbag dougie let the thread drop]
You think he just decided to pull his hair out for the fun of it, eh,
dougie, you shit-eating cocksucking Indianapolis pansy?
>> You engaged in
>> the most oafish dance over it. Defending torture was why you stupidly
>> tried to assert that the detainees are not covered by the Geneva
>> Conventions.
>
> They're not
The Supreme Court ruled they are. But it doesn't matter if they are or
not, dougie - torture is always wrong, not to mention counter-productive
if one's goal is really to get useful intelligence. Of course, you,
being a benighted stupid cornholing hick fat fuck, never cared about the
intelligence aspect of it anyway; you see these detainees as ay-rabs and
other mooslums and you hate them and just want to see punishment
inflicted on them. That's a big part of being a stupid, unsophisticated
red state fat fuck.
>> Your ENTIRE POINT in that stupid and *failed* effort was
>> to try to defend what was done to them, dougie: you believe that if
>> they're not covered by the GC, we may do whatever we like, including
>> torture.
>
> I never said that,
It is unquestionably implied in what you did say and how you said it.
>> Stop lying, dougie, you gutless little chickenshit.
>
> You're the one who's lying, Leif,
No, shit-eating lying CUNT dougie - YOU are the one lying.
>> You *did* defend torture, dougie -
>
> Liar.
No, dougie.
>> you wouldn't have been tying yourself into knots
>> trying to say that the detainees don't hold GC protections against
>> torture
>
> I didn't say that.
You did say it.
>> *except* to defend what has been done to them, dougie; and what
>> was done to them was torture, and you have defended it.
>
> Only in
Only in reality, dougie. Fuck off, dougie.
Doug Miller
That's "No, I don't, Jon..."
Why do you keep changing this, Jonathan Ball of Pasadena CA? Ashamed of your
own name??
>
>Yes, you do, dougie, you gutless little shitbag. You put up over a
>dozen posts trying to defend it. Why are you trying to back-pedal now?
You're lying again, Jon. Go take your meds.
>
>
>>> You kept trying to spin what was done to detainees
>>> at Guantanamo as not being torture when it plainly was.
>>
>> I questioned how acts that a person commits _on_himself_ can possibly be
>> torture. You still haven't explained that one.
>
>You did more than that, dougie. And I *did* explain it, you cunt.
Liar.
>The
>detainee pulled his own hair out BECAUSE OF the acts of torture that
>were committed against him,
Unsupported assumption on your part -- as I have pointed out previously. You
have yet to do anything more than assert this with no proof whatsoever. Since
you're a known and proven liar, please pardon me if I don't put much weight on
your unsupported assertions.
>you goddamned fucking cowardly
>shit-4-braincell CUNT. Pulling the hair out wasn't the torture, dougie,
>you STUPID shit-eating cunt;
Who's the impolite one here, Jonathan Ball?
>it was the *result* of torture.
Unsupported assumption on your part, Jon.
>
>You stupid hick fat fuck. The man was tortured.
Unsupported assumption on your part, Jon.
> No sane and *honest*
>person - that second is a key requirement that you *fail*, dougie, you
>LYING shitbag - could think that the man wasn't tortured,
Unsupported assumption on your part, Jon.
>but here's
>your lying asshole attempt:
>
> From the *FBI* report:
> "The A/C had been turned off, making the temperature in
> the unventilated room probably well over 100 degrees,"
>
> lying TORTURE-DEFENDING hick fat fuck dougie:
> For people who live in a part of the world where temperatures
> routinely exceed 120, 100 probably feels comfortable.
>
>Defense of torture, dougie.
It's really too bad that you're too stupid to understand plain English, Jon.
>
>
> From the *FBI* report:
> "The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of
> hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his own
> hair out throughout the night."
>
> lying TORTURE-DEFENDING hick fat fuck dougie:
> How is it "torture" when the guy pulls out _his_own_ hair?
>
> lying psychotic Jonathon Ball:
> The things that were done to the man *in* 100F +
> temperatures are what constitute the torture, dougie.
Unsupported assumptin on your part, Jon. You have no idea what may or may not
have been done to him. You're assuming what you want to be true, but you have
no proof.
>
> lying, dissembling, TORTURE-DEFENDING cocksucker dougie:
> I didn't see any mention in your post of anything that was done to
> him.
>
> [at this point, seeing that Jon was too far over the edge to reason with, Doug let the thread drop]
>
>
>You think he just decided to pull his hair out for the fun of it, eh,
He's probably even crazier than you are, Jon.
>
>
>>> You engaged in
>>> the most oafish dance over it. Defending torture was why you stupidly
>>> tried to assert that the detainees are not covered by the Geneva
>>> Conventions.
>>
>> They're not
>
>The Supreme Court ruled they are.
Yes, and the Supreme Court ruled that McCain-Feingold doesn't violate the
First Amendment, either, which it plainly does. The Supreme Court also ruled
at one time that "separate but equal" was perfectly Constitutional, and it
also once declared that human beings were property. They don't always get it
right, and this was another case -- like the ones mentioned above -- in which
they got it wrong. The plain language of the GC shows that armed terrorists
who are captured on the field of battle, wearing neither uniform nor insignia,
are not covered by the GC -- which you would know if you had ever read it, and
were smart enough to understand it.
Now go take your meds, Crazy Jonnie, before they come after you with the nets.
Leif Erikson
> "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
>> Farm1 wrote:
>>
>>> "Peter Huebner" <no....@this.address> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> please@askifyouwannaknow says...
>>>>
>>>>> Someone else mentioned a wire spinner so I won't go there. I've
>>> not
>>>
>>>>> ever seen smooth wire on a spool but if the spool has a hole all
>>> the
>>>
>>>>> way through the core, would it be possible to run a steel rod
>>> (such as
>>>
>>>>> a crow bar) through it?
>>>>>
>>>> They used to sell aluminium coated wire here for a while that came
>>> on spools.
>>>
>>> The only spools we've used are barb wire.
>> BARBED wire, you semi-literate cheeselog.
>
> Well dang me liddle Jonny Boy! Ah'm pickin up Yankee habits! Ma
> spellin is goin to tha Devil and Ah'm spellin like Ah'm a Yank.
There's the full shame of your self-imposed mental handicap paraded
around like some kind of banner, fat farm pig. In any case, you didn't
"misspell" the word in the sense that you really know how it's spelled;
you really did think it's "barbwire".
Leif Erikson
> "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
>> Farm1 wrote:
>>> "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
>
>>>> Hey, AL: the fat farm pig frannie spent 30 years in government,
>>> don't
>>>> you know, so I imagine there isn't anything she doesn't think she
>>> knows
>>>> better than anyone else.
>>> Well Leif, you wouldn't know piece of 12 guage men's wire from an
> 8
>>> guage boy's wire
>> I don't have any reason to know it, you fat pig. I can't do
> maintenance
>> on a nuclear reactor, either. So fucking what?
>
> The "so what?" is that you know sweet Fester Arbuckle about fencing!
There's no reason for me to know anything about it, fat farm pig
frannie. You don't know anything about economics or computers, either.
I could learn anything I needed to know about fencing in an hour or
so; you will never understand computers, economics, literature, history,
law or (heh heh heh) politics.
Leif Erikson
> "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
>
>> Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee"
>> "city people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
>
> That's "arse" you moron!
Not here, you ignorant provincial.
Leif Erikson
That's your empty whining, dougie.
>> Yes, you do, dougie, you gutless little shitbag. You put up over a
>> dozen posts trying to defend it. Why are you trying to back-pedal now?
>
> You're lying again, Leif.
No, dougie. I'm not lying. You are lying as you attempt futilely to
back away from your defense of torture.
> Go take your meds.
Trite.
>>>> You kept trying to spin what was done to detainees
>>>> at Guantanamo as not being torture when it plainly was.
>>> I questioned how acts that a person commits _on_himself_ can possibly be
>>> torture. You still haven't explained that one.
>> You did more than that, dougie. And I *did* explain it, you cunt.
>
> Liar.
No, dougie, *YOU* are the liar. I did explain it.
>> The
>> detainee pulled his own hair out BECAUSE OF the acts of torture that
>> were committed against him,
>
> Unsupported assumption on your part
No. No rational and *honest* person would dispute it. You're
dishonest, dougie - this also is not in dispute.
>> you goddamned fucking cowardly
>> shit-4-braincell CUNT. Pulling the hair out wasn't the torture, dougie,
>> you STUPID shit-eating cunt; it was the *result* of torture.
>
> Unsupported assumption
No.
>> You stupid hick fat fuck. The man was tortured.
>
> Unsupported assumption
No. It was the conclusion by the *FBI* agent who wrote the report,
dougie. Thanks for making your defense of torture more explicit, dougie.
>> No sane and *honest*
>> person - that second is a key requirement that you *fail*, dougie, you
>> LYING shitbag - could think that the man wasn't tortured,
>
> Unsupported assumption
No, dougie. Keep defending torture in this way, dougie - we like to see
the real dougie.
>> but here's
>> your lying asshole attempt:
>>
>> From the *FBI* report:
>> "The A/C had been turned off, making the temperature in
>> the unventilated room probably well over 100 degrees,"
>>
>> lying TORTURE-DEFENDING hick fat fuck dougie:
>> For people who live in a part of the world where temperatures
>> routinely exceed 120, 100 probably feels comfortable.
>>
>> Defense of torture, dougie.
>
> It's really too bad
[snip non sequitur] Thanks for letting us see your defense of torture
again, dougie.
>> From the *FBI* report:
>> "The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of
>> hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his own
>> hair out throughout the night."
>>
>> lying TORTURE-DEFENDING hick fat fuck dougie:
>> How is it "torture" when the guy pulls out _his_own_ hair?
>>
>> honest pro-American citizen Leif:
>> The things that were done to the man *in* 100F +
>> temperatures are what constitute the torture, dougie.
>
> Unsupported assumptin
No, dougie, and you know it. Stop lying.
>> lying, dissembling, TORTURE-DEFENDING cocksucker dougie:
>> I didn't see any mention in your post of anything that was done to
>> him.
>>
>> [at this point, the gutless hick shitbag dougie, beaten and bloody,
>> let the thread drop]
>>
>>
>> You think he just decided to pull his hair out for the fun of it, eh,
>
> He's probably even crazier
Unsupported and ideologically driven assumption, dougie. You cunt.
>>>> You engaged in
>>>> the most oafish dance over it. Defending torture was why you stupidly
>>>> tried to assert that the detainees are not covered by the Geneva
>>>> Conventions.
>>> They're not
>> The Supreme Court ruled they are.
>
> Yes, and
And nothing, dougie, you stupid cunt. They're covered by the GC, full
stop. You are and always were wrong. You're also a filthy poxed cunt.
Doug Miller
right on cue, five-foot-six-inch lying psychotic coward Jonathan Ball of
Pasadena CA, masquerading as le...@norvege.no wrote:
[snip Jon's usual collection of profanities, that he utters whenever he has
nothing else to say]
Give it up, Jon. You're full of beans, and you know it, so you hide behind a
cloud of foul and abusive language -- just like you're hiding behind that
made-up name.
I noticed that the substance of your foul language has changed, calling me a
stupid c**t -- I guess you're angry with some woman, and taking that anger out
any way you can. Your wife been beating you again, little Jonnie?
Go take your meds, Jon, and lie down. You'll feel better soon.
Prediction: this will trigger yet another flood of profanity from Crazy
Jonnie. As usual.
DJ
drivel. I can just see him sitting at the 'puter, blood rushing to his
head, veins a poppin' out of his neck and forehead, blood pressure
rising with his frustration level.
Have trouble expressing yourself without all the toilet profanity
there Leaf?
DJ
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:00:24 GMT, Leif Erikson <jack...@phs.con>
wrote:
>Yes, you do, dougie, you gutless little shitbag.
>You did more than that, dougie. And I *did* explain it, you cunt.
>were committed against him, you goddamned fucking cowardly
>shit-4-braincell CUNT.
>you STUPID shit-eating cunt; it was the *result* of torture.
>You stupid hick fat fuck.
>LYING shitbag - could think that the man wasn't tortured, but here's
>your lying asshole attempt:
>
> lying TORTURE-DEFENDING hick fat fuck dougie:
> lying TORTURE-DEFENDING hick fat fuck dougie:
> How is it "torture" when the guy pulls out _his_own_ hair?
>
>
>
> lying, dissembling, TORTURE-DEFENDING cocksucker dougie:
Doug Miller
>Wondering why any thread this Leaf guy gets into degenerates into this
>drivel. I can just see him sitting at the 'puter, blood rushing to his
>head, veins a poppin' out of his neck and forehead, blood pressure
>rising with his frustration level.
>
>Have trouble expressing yourself without all the toilet profanity
>there Leaf?
His name isn't Leaf, or Leif, or Lief, or anything like that at all. His name
is Jonathan Ball. He's a city boy, lives in Pasadena CA, and is completely
unacquainted with rural life. Why he infests misc.rural is a mystery. He's a
little guy, only five and a half feet tall. Apparently it makes him feel
bigger to verbally abuse other people -- then he throws a tantrum whenever
anyone stands up to him. I'm sure glad I don't have him for a neighbor.
Farm1
> You're also a filthy poxed cunt.
Your mother's pimp been teaching you again Jon?
Farm1
And if you knew anything about rural life you'd know the terms were
often interchangeable. But they don't teach you that is city gutters.
Farm1
> I could learn anything I needed to know about fencing in an hour
or
> so;
You don't fool anyone Jon. It'd take you 10 years to learn to point
and say "That's a fence"
Farm1
> Farm1 wrote:
> > "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
> >
> >> Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee"
> >> "city people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
> >
> > That's "arse" you moron!
>
> Not here
Of course. You don't use English and have a proclivity for donkeys.
Leif Erikson
> "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
>> Farm1 wrote:
>>> "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Your southern gentility is an utter fraud. Stick your "yankee"
>>>> "city people" blather up your gaping cornholed ass, jimmie.
>>> That's "arse" you moron!
>> Not here
>
> Of course. You don't use English
We do. jimmie has been cornholed up his ass.
Leif Erikson
> "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
>
>> I could learn anything I needed to know about fencing in an hour
> or
>> so;
>
I don't have any need to try to fool anyone, fat farm pig frannie. I
could learn what I need to know about fencing in an hour.
Learn to format your posts, you fat bitch.
Leif Erikson
"barbwire" is wrong. Its usage is reflective of a mediocre, at best,
education.
Leif Erikson
> "Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in
>
>> You're also a filthy poxed cunt.
>
> Your
No.
Leif Erikson
> In article <F0wUg.6310$o71...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Leif Erikson wrote:
>
> [snip
You sure do cry a lot, gutless TORTURE-DEFENDING dougie. You little prick.
Matthew Beasley
"Leif Erikson" <jack...@phs.con> wrote in message
> "barbwire" is wrong. Its usage is reflective of a mediocre, at best,
> education.
Just what level of education is the frequent use of "fuckwit" reflective of?
