About using forged documents
Greg Wolf
diplomas to get a job. He handed me an application form that includes
the following:
"I give my permission for [....] to verify and conduct reference
checking with listed references. I understand that any untrue or
incomplete statements may be considered grounds for rejection from the
recruitment and selection process or for termination from employment if
I am selected for this position."
Hmmmmm... I guess that truth from an applicant/employee matters to them.
They reserve the right to fire you if you lied on your application.
I asked him if he actually would fire an otherwise good employee who
faked his way in. His answer: "....in a heartbeat. If the person lied as
an applicant, he'd lie to keep the job or get ahead. You couldn't trust
a known liar."
That, from someone whose business depends on trustworthy employees.
--
Greg Wolf
"What fools, we, who in our darkness failed to seek out
your lamp of wisdom, and drink from your fount of truth"
Grey Wolf 6:66
Smart guy, that Grey Wolf
RSMEINER
worked or would want to work.
Randy
'Captain' Kirk DeHaan
<KEEPYOURgrey...@snotmail.com> wrote:
>I asked one of my clients about this on-going thread - using forged
>diplomas to get a job. He handed me an application form that includes
>the following:
>
>"I give my permission for [....] to verify and conduct reference
>checking with listed references. I understand that any untrue or
>incomplete statements may be considered grounds for rejection from the
>recruitment and selection process or for termination from employment if
>I am selected for this position."
>
>Hmmmmm... I guess that truth from an applicant/employee matters to them.
>They reserve the right to fire you if you lied on your application.
>
>I asked him if he actually would fire an otherwise good employee who
>faked his way in. His answer: "....in a heartbeat. If the person lied as
>an applicant, he'd lie to keep the job or get ahead. You couldn't trust
>a known liar."
>
>That, from someone whose business depends on trustworthy employees.
WTF? Someone who actually expects integrity and personal
responsibility.
Standing ovation!
Kirk
Elaine Gallant
"Greg Wolf" <KEEPYOURgrey...@snotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.159c0c7f2...@news.earthlink.net...
> I asked one of my clients about this on-going thread
Really? You did that? It doesn't seem like a stupid waste of breath? It's
like asking people if they masturbate. They'll look you in the eye and say
"no".
What's the point in spending a couple thousand dollars on top forged
documents if you start blabbing that your paperwork may as well be written
on paper napkins?
RSMEINER
on a forged document to get a job. Most of us here seem to be just
a little more honest then that.
Have you no pride at all ? No honesty ? I sure as hell wouldn't want
you or someone like you as an employee.
So, masturbate away Elaine, enjoy it. Have a good time. Then go
out and tell the world about it. From what I have been reading from you, it
would probably be the only honest or intelligent thing
you have had to say.
Randy
>"Elaine Gallant" elaine....@worldnet.att.net
James Lindstrom
defending the controversial proposition that Honesty Is the Best Policy was
only slightly less weird than reading the comments of Ms. Gallegos
seriously arguing that lying, cheating and stealing are morally acceptable
and defensible means of professional advancement. A living straw man (or
woman) is a precious thing--a target not to be wasted, but practiced upon.
If Ms. Gallegos has any education, and I suspect--given her very weak
command of thought and language--she doesn't have much if any, she is
indeed her own best evidence of how little one can learn and still claim a
degree.
Now I remember why I started avoiding usenet.
Jim Lindstrom
Oak Forest, PA
Elaine Gallant
"RSMEINER" <rsme...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010622134708...@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> Elaine, I think you are the only one advocating spending thousands
> on a forged document to get a job.
I'm the only one who comes right out and avocates the use of artificial
paperwork at this particular time, on this newsgroup.
However, I never indicated it's the only way the OP on this subject could
get ahead in business. I offered no fewer than three suggestions.
Purchasing some paperwork outright was only ONE of the things I recommended.
However, purchased documents is the one the group is most interested in
discussing.
Now, I did go the legal route and go into debt for the State paperwork,.
I'm STILL paying for it 5 years later. if I had it to do over again, I would
buy the material in a heartbeat.
> Most of us here seem to be just
> a little more honest then that.
I'm being perfectly honest when I say there are some fields where an
official degree means squat.
In fact, there are people reading this group, likely even some who have
commented, who in fact either have or have used forged documents. You would
be very naive to think otherwise...shoot for that matter, one of those
people might be you, re-directing attention.
Gene
Just because you make some honest comments about a dishonest practice
doesn't automatically make you an honest person. Hell, if you'll lie
about your credentials, what else will you lie about?
RSMEINER
Randy
Elaine Gallant
"Gene" <webm...@zylay.com> wrote in message
news:3B33A3BD...@zylay.com...
> Just because you make some honest comments about a dishonest practice
> doesn't automatically make you an honest person.
What does?
> Hell, if you'll lie
> about your credentials, what else will you lie about?
Did you mean ME or someone who actually used a forged document?
Elaine Gallant
Well, I'm not psychic, so of course am not pointing fingers at exactly WHICH
person in the discussion has one or other purchased document.
I would bet good money that someone here does however.
phorbin
elaine....@worldnet.att.net
Elaine Gallant says...
> Well, I'm not psychic, so of course am not pointing fingers at exactly WHICH
> person in the discussion has one or other purchased document.
Ah geez... ya got me... and I've not been part of the discussion. I forge
my own....
So far, I'm an eighth degree priest of Offler and the keeper of the
Octarine gate...
Nobody knows where that gate actually goes, since I made it up myself,
but if I can make it up then it must exist somewhere since anything that
can be imagined must exist somewhere... and it must need a keeper with
papers validating his keepership so I figure... "Why not me? I invented
it so I get to keep it... Possession is nine points of the cosmic law.
...Obsession is the tenth point
I think tomorrow I'll give myself a knighthood in the Grey Templars and
maybe a charter naming me king of Atlantis...
.... Don't make vague accusations. If you don't know, then
it's better to say nothing...
--
phorbin
Power unused is merely potential.
Potential unused often withers.
Gene
Using "you" in the general sense, not necessarily the personal sense.
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