personalized ringtone

[badgolferman]

I want to download a bird sound and set it as my ringtone. Can this be done
and how can I point the Settings / Sound / Ringtone to that sound? I don’t
see a way to point it to something different than what’s already provided
by Apple.

[Bob Campbell]

Ring tones on iPhones must be in AAC format (not MP3) and it must have the
.m4r extension. It also cannot be longer than 30 seconds, as far as I
know.

IOW, you must download a file on your iPhone that is ready to go for an
iPhone ring tone.

If you DL an .mp3 file, iTunes on Mac or Windows can convert the .mp3 into
an .m4a (AAC format), then you manually change the extension to .m4r.
Then you connect the iPhone to the Mac or Windows PC and you can drag and
drop the .m4r file onto your phone. It will appear in the list of ring
tones on your phone. I have done this many times.

Using the above info, you can make any 30 second or less MP3 audio file
into a ring tone.

[Jolly Roger]

Follow the GarageBand tutorial here:

<https://www.lifewire.com/set-custom-ringtone-on-iphone-5219443>

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-19, Bob Campbell <nu...@none.none> wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I want to download a bird sound and set it as my ringtone. Can this be done
>> and how can I point the Settings / Sound / Ringtone to that sound? I don’t
>> see a way to point it to something different than what’s already provided
>> by Apple.
>
> Ring tones on iPhones must be in AAC format (not MP3) and it must have the
> .m4r extension. It also cannot be longer than 30 seconds, as far as I
> know.
>
> IOW, you must download a file on your iPhone that is ready to go for an
> iPhone ring tone.

Actually, you can add any audio file into iCloud Drive and import it
into GarageBand to create a ringtone. See my previous reply.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 19.08.22 um 03:56 schrieb badgolferman:

Some apps bring along their own sounds and in some cases they appear in
the list of ringtones or message tones.

Twitter is such an app and it brings along a bird sound. No need to use
Twitter.

The other way is to buy them in the Tone Store.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[Jolly Roger]

Fuck buying it. Just create your own! I've created a bunch of my own
over the years.

[Andy Burnelli]

Jolly Roger wrote:

> Just create your own! I've created a bunch of my own
> over the years.

Hi badgolferman,

I am sensible so I agree fully with Jolly Roger's sentiment that sometimes
you get the best flexibility and ease just by creating your own ringtones.

I've done it many times in the distant past (although not lately) for
younger kids who wanted the "I'm a barbie girl" ringtones for their phones.

For creating your own, Audacity is great at editing almost any audio, while
Handbrake is great at converting almost any audio format, both of which are
FOSS sans ads and, offhand, are on all modern consumer compute platforms.

For the stock bird calls, I know on Android there are tons of free ad free
google free apps which save any bird call you can think of, so there should
be similar free apps available to you on iOS.
--
My goal on this Apple newsgroup is to be helpful and learn from those few
who are adults, and to show the child-like iKooks for what they really are.

[badgolferman]

After second thought I’ve changed my mind. The effort required isn’t worth
it. I’ll just stick with the classic old phone ringtone. It seems most
people my age choose that one too.

[Hank Rogers]

It does seem like a lot of rigamarole to accomplish such a simple
thing. Maybe it's yet another feature that's "not needed and nobody
want it" LOL

[Andy Burnelli]

badgolferman wrote:

> After second thought I¢ve changed my mind. The effort required isn¢t worth
> it. I¢ll just stick with the classic old phone ringtone. It seems most
> people my age choose that one too.

Hi badgolferman,

I used to do create custom ringtones all the time for high school kids
(mostly the girls who wanted songs as their ringtones, one per contact).

It's wholly up to you, but if you have modern computing equipment it's easy
1. Download the originals (I used youtube downloader freeware)
2. Chop them to size (I used audacity freeware)
3. Convert each to an Apple compatible format (I used handbrake freeware)
4. Put the results on the iPhone (it should be mounted over Wi-Fi already)
5. Set each contact to their own bird-chirp ringtone

You can set Jolly Roger's contact to the irritating guffaws of a dodo bird.
For nospam, best to use a parrot.

In my humble experience, everything is harder on iOS than on Android, but
this is such as simple task I don't think Apple could mess it up too badly.

[nospam]

In article <o%QLK.74615$8f2....@fx38.iad>, Hank Rogers

<ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> >> I want to download a bird sound and set it as my ringtone. Can this be done
> >> and how can I point the Settings / Sound / Ringtone to that sound? I
> >> don’t
> >> see a way to point it to something different than what’s already provided
> >> by Apple.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > After second thought I’ve changed my mind. The effort required isn’t
> > worth
> > it. I’ll just stick with the classic old phone ringtone. It seems most
> > people my age choose that one too.
> >
>
> It does seem like a lot of rigamarole to accomplish such a simple
> thing.

what rigamarole? it's trivial to do.

> Maybe it's yet another feature that's "not needed and nobody
> want it" LOL

many people want custom ringtones, which is why it has been available
since the early days.

[badgolferman]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <o%QLK.74615$8f2....@fx38.iad>, Hank Rogers
> <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> I want to download a bird sound and set it as my ringtone. Can this be done
>>>> and how can I point the Settings / Sound / Ringtone to that sound? I

>>>> don’t
>>>> see a way to point it to something different than what’s already provided
>>>> by Apple.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> After second thought I’ve changed my mind. The effort required isn’t
>>> worth
>>> it. I’ll just stick with the classic old phone ringtone. It seems most

>>> people my age choose that one too.
>>>
>>
>> It does seem like a lot of rigamarole to accomplish such a simple
>> thing.
>
> what rigamarole? it's trivial to do.
>
>> Maybe it's yet another feature that's "not needed and nobody
>> want it" LOL
>
> many people want custom ringtones, which is why it has been available
> since the early days.
>

Installing new software and changing extensions, blah, blah isn’t worth the
effort. All I wanted was a noisy kookaburra sound as my ringtone without
having to jump through hoops. I probably wouldn’t be able to hear it anyway
so the old phone sound is probably better.

If Apple wanted to make it easy they would support any sound file to be a
ringtone. Having to jump through hoops like this isn’t worth it to me. I’ve
uninstalled loads of Apple apps that came with my phone, including
GarageBand, so I’m not bothering with that either.

I’m sorry I asked for something that’s not needed….

[nospam]

In article <tdp23s$14o8$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
>
> Installing new software and changing extensions, blah, blah isnšt worth the
> effort.

there's no need to install anything.

open your desired sound in whatever audio player you prefer, select a
short segment (a few seconds is ideal for a ring tone) and save it as
.m4r. if it won't save to that directly, save as an aac file (.m4a) and
rename it to m4r.

if the sound file is already short, then you don't need to clip a short
segment.

there are apps that make generating ring tones very easy, including
being able to compose one's own music, so if you're creating more than
one or two ringtones, it is often worthwhile to use something designed
specifically for that task. it's certainly not required, but it does
make it easier.

garage band is one example, which is free, so there's no additional
cost involved. of course, it does *much* more than just ring tones.

> All I wanted was a noisy kookaburra sound as my ringtone without

> having to jump through hoops. I probably wouldnšt be able to hear it anyway

> so the old phone sound is probably better.

why wouldn't you be able to hear it?

> If Apple wanted to make it easy they would support any sound file to be a
> ringtone.

while it would be nice to be able to directly use mp3, there's little
benefit in that.

aac offers the highest quality audio with the smallest size, which is
what is needed for a ring tone.

this was particularly true before the age of iphones and android. in
fact, phones from back then required ring tones to be midi sequences,
which are *tiny*. an sampled audio file would not work.

apple could have not required .m4r extension since the data is the same
as .m4a, but that decision was made 15 years ago, for a phone that had
many more limitations than one of today.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Installing new software and changing extensions, blah, blah isn¹t worth the

>> effort.
>
> there's no need to install anything.

That may be true, or it may not be true - but coming from you, it's
worthless for you to say that since you fabricate imaginary iOS
functionality all the time, nospam.

He needs to (a) obtain the sound (b) edit it for length, (c) often convert
the file format, and (d) set it as a ringtone for each individual contact.

I would use a PC to perform those tasks since I'd likely use a music video
and rip the sound, then I'd edit the length & quality & then I'd be forced
to convert to whatever crazy format only APple requires, and then I'd have
to deal with trying to copy it from the PC to the iPhone and then I'd have
to get the iPhone to access that specific file in a specific spot to set it
to a specific contact.

Can all that be done with native built-in iOS software?

> open your desired sound in whatever audio player you prefer, select a
> short segment (a few seconds is ideal for a ring tone) and save it as
> .m4r. if it won't save to that directly, save as an aac file (.m4a) and
> rename it to m4r.

He may need to rip the sound out of a video, nospam.
Also he needs to edit the length (and perhaps other audio qualities).
Then he has to be able to FIND it on his filesy since iOS is primitive.
And lastly he has to have the ability to set the ringtone per contact.

Maybe that modern capability is on the iPhone.
Maybe not.

> if the sound file is already short, then you don't need to clip a short
> segment.

He will almost always need to rip and clip.

> there are apps that make generating ring tones very easy, including
> being able to compose one's own music, so if you're creating more than
> one or two ringtones, it is often worthwhile to use something designed
> specifically for that task. it's certainly not required, but it does
> make it easier.

He wants bird sounds, nospam.
Those he isn't likely to be generating given his original requirements.

> garage band is one example, which is free, so there's no additional
> cost involved. of course, it does *much* more than just ring tones.

Garage Band is probably a decent program for what is on a primitive iPhone.
But does Garage Band rip the audio from the YouTube video, nospam?

>
>> All I wanted was a noisy kookaburra sound as my ringtone without

>> having to jump through hoops. I probably wouldn¹t be able to hear it anyway

>> so the old phone sound is probably better.
>
> why wouldn't you be able to hear it?

I think he meant that he has old ears and that very often a ringtone needs
to be equalized in various ways from what the original audio clip
contained.

Obviously Audacity can amplify certain frequency ranges for better sound.
Garage Band isn't a bad program so it probably can amplify certain bands.

>
>> If Apple wanted to make it easy they would support any sound file to be a
>> ringtone.
>
> while it would be nice to be able to directly use mp3, there's little
> benefit in that.

*Of all common consumer devices, _only_ iOS devices are that primitive*

> aac offers the highest quality audio with the smallest size, which is
> what is needed for a ring tone.

You will make excuse after excuse for why only the primitive iOS can't do
the most basic of things, nospam... like set a ringtone to an MP3 file.

> this was particularly true before the age of iphones and android. in
> fact, phones from back then required ring tones to be midi sequences,
> which are *tiny*. an sampled audio file would not work.

As is always the case, the iPhone is primitive compared to all others.

> apple could have not required .m4r extension since the data is the same
> as .m4a, but that decision was made 15 years ago, for a phone that had
> many more limitations than one of today.

In other words, not only is an iPhone primitive, but it has never improved.

In summary, if this was any other platform, badgolferman would be done.
But not on iOS.

[sms]

I wrote up the process for someone:

1. Download a .mp3 file to a PC (Mac or Windows)

2. Trim the .mp3 file to a maximum of 30 seconds using Audacity
<https://www.audacityteam.org/Download/mac/>. If you want, you can also
reduce the bitrate of the .mp3 file, convert it to monoaural, and do a
fade-in/fade-out.

3w. Windows: On a Windows computer, use iTunes to convert the .mp3 file
into a .m4a (AAC) file. For Windows computers you can download iTunes at
<https://www.apple.com/itunes/download/win64> or from the Microsoft
Store at <https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/itunes/9PB2MZ1ZMB1S>.

3m. Mac: Convert the .mp3 file to a .m4a file using Music on the Mac
(<https://support.apple.com/guide/music/convert-music-file-formats-musfb0cea9fa/mac>).
Click the .mp3 file, then “Convert,” then “Create AAC version.” Note
that you can also trim the audio file to 30 seconds by using Music for
the Mac (right-click on the .mp3 file, click “Get Info,” click
“options,” and enter the start and stop times), avoiding the need for
Audacity, but you can’t do fade-in/fade-out or convert the audio file to
mono.

4. On the computer (Mac or Windows) manually rename xxxxx.m4a file to a
xxxxx.m4r file (.m4a and .m4r use the same AAC audio format, as do .m4b
files (audio books).

5w. Windows: Copy the .m4r file onto your file onto your phone using iTunes.

5m. Mac:. Sync the file to your iPhone by connecting the phone to the
computer with a USB to Lighning cable, launching “Finder,” trusting your
iPhone. You may also need to enter the iPhone passcode). You will need
to enable manual managing of music (in the General Tab). Drag the .m4r
file into the sync window. It should sync automatically.

6. On the iPhone, click “Settings,” then “Sound & Haptics,” then
“Ringtone” and you should see the new ringtone.

I added this to the document as #183a on page 81.
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>.

I was so used to how easy it is to do custom ringtones on Android. On
Android you just copy, download, or e-mail yourself a .mp3 file then
select it as a ringtone.

When I got an iPhone I was shocked at how involved it was to do what was
so simple on Android. But once you get the process down it's not bad,
just annoying that something so simple has been made so complicated.

Hopefully, some future version of iOS will allow a .mp3 file to be used
as a ringtone without going through all of this. I suspect that part of
the reason for all this is to encourage the purchase of ringtones rather
than making it easy for someone to create their own.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 20.08.22 um 13:01 schrieb sms:

*ROTFLSTC*
Insane overkill for a personal ringtone.

[nospam]

In article <tdqev5$1sbga$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> When I got an iPhone I was shocked at how involved it was to do what was
> so simple on Android. But once you get the process down it's not bad,
> just annoying that something so simple has been made so complicated.

it's not complicated at all.

> Hopefully, some future version of iOS will allow a .mp3 file to be used
> as a ringtone without going through all of this. I suspect that part of
> the reason for all this is to encourage the purchase of ringtones rather
> than making it easy for someone to create their own.

as usual, you suspect wrong due to your ignorance about apple and the
*free* tools they provide, which includes the ability to easily make
ring tones from any source, whether it's a sound file or one's own
composition. no purchase necessary.

[gtr]

On 2022-08-20 04:08:32 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:

> Insane overkill for a personal ringtone.

What is wrong with you?
The guy is HELPING people.

What is wrong with you that you can't understand that HELPING concept?

At least he's trying to help.
You're only trying to hurt.

[nospam]

In article <tdqtdn$1v8od$1...@dont-email.me>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

>
> > Insane overkill for a personal ringtone.
>
> What is wrong with you?
> The guy is HELPING people.

no he isn't.

what was described is overly convoluted, for no valid purpose, other
than to troll.

the actual process is far simpler, except that doesn't fit the troll's
narrative.

custom ringtones on iphones are easy and yet another feature that
existed before android had it.

[gtr]

On 2022-08-20 08:22:48 +0000, nospam said:

>>> Insane overkill for a personal ringtone.
>>
>> What is wrong with you?
>> The guy is HELPING people.
>
> no he isn't.
>
> what was described is overly convoluted, for no valid purpose, other
> than to troll.
>
> the actual process is far simpler, except that doesn't fit the troll's
> narrative.
>
> custom ringtones on iphones are easy and yet another feature that
> existed before android had it.

Then you write up the process starting from a MPE bird song URL found on
the net and ending with a custom iPhone AAC ringtone proving you did it
yourself instead of skipping steps by just guessing what they might be.

If it's as easy as you say then you should be able to provide the starting
URL and the ending file and each of the steps you took in between.

If you can't/don't do it then it's nowhere near as simple as you guessed.

[nospam]

In article <tdqvc5$1vqai$1...@dont-email.me>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> Then you write up the process starting from a MPE bird song URL found on
> the net and ending with a custom iPhone AAC ringtone proving you did it
> yourself instead of skipping steps by just guessing what they might be.

use any of a wide variety of software to clip a short segment of any
sound file (a few seconds is ideal, but it can be longer), save as .m4r
(some software may not be support that directly, in which case you'll
need to save as aac and rename it), then sync to the iphone. done. the
entire process should take less than a minute, more likely less than 30
seconds. another way can be done on the phone itself via garage band,
an incredibly powerful app that is unavailable on android, either with
existing sound files or composing something (or both). anyone who
claims it's complex is lying.

the resident troll knows so little about iphones that he is completely
unaware of an actual shortcoming that took many years to be resolved.

[nospam]

In article <200820221201081869%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam

<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>
> > Then you write up the process starting from a MPE bird song URL found on
> > the net and ending with a custom iPhone AAC ringtone proving you did it
> > yourself instead of skipping steps by just guessing what they might be.
>
> use any of a wide variety of software to clip a short segment of any
> sound file (a few seconds is ideal, but it can be longer), save as .m4r
> (some software may not be support that directly, in which case you'll
> need to save as aac and rename it), then sync to the iphone. done. the
> entire process should take less than a minute, more likely less than 30
> seconds.

also, someone can script it if they're doing more than a one-off,
making it effectively a drag/drop.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 20.08.22 um 17:09 schrieb gtr:

You are an idiot. Sorry. Start at the top of the thread.
The OP had a very specific need.

Life time can be spent much wiser. Use the time to buy flowers for your
wife and spend another $ for a ringtone.

Ça c'est bricolage!

[sms]

On 8/20/2022 8:42 AM, gtr wrote:

<snip>

> If you can't/don't do it then it's nowhere near as simple as you guessed.

nospam is wrong of course™.

It's not hard to do custom ring tones on iOS, if you follow the steps
carefully, but it's not a process that the average user is going to attempt.

How many typical iPhone users have ever converted .mp3 files to .m4a
files? Some, of course, since iTunes and Music do the conversion to .m4a.

How many typical iPhone or computer users have ever manually renamed a
file extension, such as .m4a to .m4r? Very few. Not everyone is a
computer geek.

What _is_ easy is buying a ringtone that's already in the .m4r format.
Making it easy to create and install custom ringtones is not in the best
interest of the entities profiting from selling custom ringtones.

It certainly would not be difficult for Apple to add the capability,
into iOS, to do the conversion of .mp3 files to .m4r files, so it's not
necessary to do it on a computer, either in iTunes or Apple Music.

There are iPhone apps available that can perform the same task. This one
may work, see
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mp3-converter-making-ringtone/id1437263307>.
I have not tried this app.

[gtr]

On 2022-08-20 17:02:45 +0000, nospam said:

>>> Then you write up the process starting from a MPE bird song URL found on
>>> the net and ending with a custom iPhone AAC ringtone proving you did it
>>> yourself instead of skipping steps by just guessing what they might be.
>>
>> use any of a wide variety of software to clip a short segment of any
>> sound file (a few seconds is ideal, but it can be longer), save as .m4r
>> (some software may not be support that directly, in which case you'll
>> need to save as aac and rename it), then sync to the iphone. done. the
>> entire process should take less than a minute, more likely less than 30
>> seconds.
>
> also, someone can script it if they're doing more than a one-off,
> making it effectively a drag/drop.

What you said does not work on the iPhone which is what the OP asked for.
Otherwise you would have done it if it only too a minute like you said.

[nospam]

In article <tdr66g$219tf$1...@dont-email.me>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

>
> What you said does not work on the iPhone which is what the OP asked for.

i was responding to you, not him.

*you* asked how, and i suggested two methods, with wide variance on
specifics on which software can be used.

[gtr]

On 2022-08-20 09:42:10 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:

> Life time can be spent much wiser. Use the time to buy flowers for your
> wife and spend another $ for a ringtone.

You don't want to help.
You only want to hurt.

[gtr]

On 2022-08-20 10:41:25 +0000, nospam said:

> *you* asked how, and i suggested two methods, with wide variance on
> specifics on which software can be used.

And your pc method skipped necessary steps.
And your iPhone method doesn't work either.

[nospam]

In article <tdr4lj$2145u$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> It's not hard to do custom ring tones on iOS,

true. it's not hard. the problem is you trying to make it more complex
than necessary.

> if you follow the steps
> carefully, but it's not a process that the average user is going to attempt.

nonsense. many people have, before android offered the option.

[nospam]

In article <tdr6nq$21bqa$1...@dont-email.me>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

>
> > *you* asked how, and i suggested two methods, with wide variance on
> > specifics on which software can be used.
>
> And your pc method skipped necessary steps.
> And your iPhone method doesn't work either.

both false.

[Hank Rogers]

sms wrote:
> 3w. Windows: On a Windows computer, use iTunes to convert the .mp3
> file into a .m4a (AAC) file.

Exactly how is this done? I don't see any options in the menu, and
nothing upon right click, but maybe I missed it.

I copied a wav file into itunes to try. I could play it fine. Does
it have to be mp3?

[Hank Rogers]

How about you post a detailed example of how your easy method works?

[sms]

And of course the original poster wanted to use a sound file that he
downloaded, not a ringtone that he could purchase somewhere.

It's pretty telling that someone's suggestion was to not even try to use
an audio file for an iPhone ringtone because it takes so much time that
it's not worth using some of your limited time on earth attempting such
a task, and instead he just tells people to spend money to buy ringtones.

It's truly amazing to see our collection of resident trolls be
intentionally unhelpful, but that seems to be what they live to do.

Instead they could have said: "yes, it's a bit involved to use an mp3
audio file as an iPhone ringtone, but it's not that hard and here's how
you do it." There are also numerous web sites that explain the
procedure, i.e.
<https://www.tenorshare.com/iphone-data/convert-mp3-to-m4r-for-iphone-ringtone>.

[Hank Rogers]

I get this:

"We're sorry but the page you are looking for isn't available. Try
searching for something else."

[nospam]

In article <lraMK.862395$wIO9....@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers

<ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > 3w. Windows: On a Windows computer, use iTunes to convert the .mp3
> > file into a .m4a (AAC) file.
>
> Exactly how is this done? I don't see any options in the menu, and
> nothing upon right click, but maybe I missed it.

<https://i.stack.imgur.com/q9v6q.png>

> I copied a wav file into itunes to try. I could play it fine. Does
> it have to be mp3?

nope.

[nospam]

In article <wtaMK.862396$wIO9....@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers

<ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> How about you post a detailed example of how your easy method works?

see my other posts.

[nospam]

In article <tdrdbi$222dn$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> And of course the original poster wanted to use a sound file that he
> downloaded, not a ringtone that he could purchase somewhere.

true.

> It's pretty telling that someone's suggestion was to not even try to use
> an audio file for an iPhone ringtone because it takes so much time that
> it's not worth using some of your limited time on earth attempting such
> a task, and instead he just tells people to spend money to buy ringtones.

it doesn't take 'so much time'. you're lying.

> It's truly amazing to see our collection of resident trolls be
> intentionally unhelpful, but that seems to be what they live to do.

projection.

> Instead they could have said: "yes, it's a bit involved to use an mp3
> audio file as an iPhone ringtone,

it's not involved at all, thus there is no reason to say that.

> but it's not that hard and here's how
> you do it."

it was explained. you're lying again.

> you do it." There are also numerous web sites that explain the

some of which aren't correct, and not just for this topic, but you
don't know enough about ios to realize that. you troll via google,
finding sites that fit your narrative.

how's that face id working out?

[Hank Rogers]

I saw that, thanks. Haven't tried it yet.

A related question. How to delete a ringtone? For example if I
succeed in getting it to work with a test file, how can I get rid
of it?

[Your Name]

The link is missing the final suffix ...

<https://www.tenorshare.com/iphone-data/convert-mp3-to-m4r-for-iphone-ringtone.html>


There's a pile of other iPhone ringtone topics on the same website.

[nospam]

In article <ZHbMK.784147$zgr9....@fx13.iad>, Hank Rogers

<ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> A related question. How to delete a ringtone? For example if I
> succeed in getting it to work with a test file, how can I get rid
> of it?

remove and sync again, or just ignore it. it's tiny (kilobytes) and
isn't going to have an effect on many gigabytes of storage.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-19, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <o%QLK.74615$8f2....@fx38.iad>, Hank Rogers

>> <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I want to download a bird sound and set it as my ringtone. Can
>>>>> this be done and how can I point the Settings / Sound / Ringtone
>>>>> to that sound? I don't see a way to point it to something
>>>>> different than what's already provided by Apple.
>>>>

>>>> After second thought I've changed my mind. The effort required
>>>> isn't worth it. I'll just stick with the classic old phone
>>>> ringtone. It seems most people my age choose that one too.
>>>
>>> It does seem like a lot of rigamarole to accomplish such a simple
>>> thing.
>>
>> what rigamarole? it's trivial to do.

No shit. It's like they didn't bother to even try... LOL : D

>>> Maybe it's yet another feature that's "not needed and nobody want
>>> it" LOL
>>
>> many people want custom ringtones, which is why it has been available
>> since the early days.

Yep. I've created a slew of them. Fun!

> Installing new software

Why this is even being mentioned as some sort of bad thing in a
smartphone new group is beyond me. I've never considered installing a
free app from the App Store to be a chore, even back when I was using a
PalmOS device. : ) Installing GarageBand takes just a couple taps.

> and changing extensions, blah, blah isn’t worth the effort.

I'm really struggling to fathom why anyone would have a smartphone and
claim that a few taps of their finger and 2-5 minutes of their time is
"too much effort"... What planet are you from? : )

Writing this procedure took far longer than simply doing it (which
took me just a couple minutes):

1. Open Safari and search for a sound:
<https://imgur.com/PmexIp0>

2. Tap Download to download the sound:
<https://imgur.com/V1WX9tb>
<https://imgur.com/Nhp4Rxm>
<https://imgur.com/t0J5Kci>

3. Tap the sound file ZIP archive to expand it:
<https://imgur.com/nf19gFB>
<https://imgur.com/CWfwRSH>

4. Open GarageBand, and tap Create Song to create a new song.
<https://imgur.com/LgaKAS1>

5. Tap Voice under Audio Recorder:
<https://imgur.com/m9LMz7i>

6. Tap the View icon at the top, tap the Loop icon at the top to
open the clip selection panel, then tap the Files tab at the top and tap
Browse at the bottom:
<https://imgur.com/XqbNFES>
<https://imgur.com/XWGhOuc>
<https://imgur.com/PVIZIAk>

7. Navigate to the Downloads folder, open the unzipped sound folder, and
choose the extracted sound file:
<https://imgur.com/iY4sX4f>
<https://imgur.com/4K9BOeB>
<https://imgur.com/Uxt0NZ1>

8. Tap and hold the sound file to import it into your GarageBand song:
<https://imgur.com/pjPgyD2>
You can now optionally edit the song as you see fit, or leave it as-is:
<https://imgur.com/tJ2ASqM>

9. Tap the arrow icon near the top-left corner, and tap My Songs:
<https://imgur.com/QyMa8dt>

10. Tap and hold on the new song you created, tap Share, then tap
Ringtone:
<https://imgur.com/jkkJwut>
<https://imgur.com/v0fkZbW>

Done deal. : )

> All I wanted was a noisy kookaburra sound as my ringtone without
> having to jump through hoops. I probably wouldn’t be able to hear it
> anyway so the old phone sound is probably better.

I'm not so sure. Those birds are really freaking *noisy*.

> If Apple wanted to make it easy they would support any sound file to
> be a ringtone.

There are apps that make it really easy, but I don't bother with them
when I can just do it myself on the fly in a couple minutes. I do it
even faster on my Mac.

> Having to jump through hoops like this isn’t worth it to me. I’ve
> uninstalled loads of Apple apps that came with my phone, including
> GarageBand, so I’m not bothering with that either.

Whatever floats your boat, old timer.

> I’m sorry I asked for something that’s not needed….

Lame troll.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Jolly Roger]

I just did - see my other response in this thread. Writing the procedure
took far longer than just creating the ringtone, which took only a
couple minutes from download to ringtone. "Insane overkill", my ass. :)

Next?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-20, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

The procedure I posted absolutely does work on an iPhone - and only an
iPhone is required.

> Otherwise you would have done it if it only too a minute like you
> said.

Yeah, see the problem with that is the trolls here just assume the rest
of us can't do what they apparently don't know how to do, but you'd be
WRONG. I can create a ringtone in a couple minutes on my iPhone. And so
can you. All it takes is a few clicks and a couple minutes.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-20, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

Does my iPhone method also "not work"? : )

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-20, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 8/20/2022 8:42 AM, gtr wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> If you can't/don't do it then it's nowhere near as simple as you guessed.
>
> nospam is wrong of course™.
>
> It's not hard to do custom ring tones on iOS, if you follow the steps
> carefully, but it's not a process that the average user is going to attempt.
>
> How many typical iPhone users have ever converted .mp3 files to .m4a
> files? Some, of course, since iTunes and Music do the conversion to .m4a.

There's no need to convert anything.

> How many typical iPhone or computer users have ever manually renamed a
> file extension, such as .m4a to .m4r? Very few. Not everyone is a
> computer geek.

There's no need to rename files or even worry about filename extensions.

> What _is_ easy is buying a ringtone that's already in the .m4r format.

We're talking about *creating* a ringtone in this thread - not buying
one, dummy. : )

> Making it easy to create and install custom ringtones is not in the best
> interest of the entities profiting from selling custom ringtones.

And yet it's easy on iPhones. If opening GarageBand is just oh-too-much
for you, there are various apps on the App Store that let you do it.

> It certainly would not be difficult for Apple to add the capability,
> into iOS, to do the conversion of .mp3 files to .m4r files, so it's not
> necessary to do it on a computer, either in iTunes or Apple Music.

It is not necessary to use a computer to create a ringtone on iPhones,
dummy. : )

> There are iPhone apps available that can perform the same task. This one
> may work, see
><https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mp3-converter-making-ringtone/id1437263307>.
> I have not tried this app.

Nor have you tried much of anything else, clearly.

[Hank Rogers]

Thanks, but it doesn't work. In itunes, when I right click, I don't
see an option for "Create ACC Version". I tried mp3 and a wav,
neither showed the create option on right click menu.

Maybe I have unknowingly made some setting in itunes that prevents
it from working for me?

I'm using itunes Version 12.12.4.1

[Jolly Roger]

You can just swipe left on any ringtone in the Settings > Sounds &
Haptics > Ringtone list to delete it.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-20, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> On 8/20/2022 10:45 AM, gtr wrote:
>> On 2022-08-20 09:42:10 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
>>
>>> Life time can be spent much wiser. Use the time to buy flowers for
>>> your wife and spend another $ for a ringtone.
>>
>> You don't want to help. You only want to hurt.
>
> And of course the original poster wanted to use a sound file that he
> downloaded, not a ringtone that he could purchase somewhere.
>
> It's pretty telling that someone's suggestion was to not even try to
> use an audio file for an iPhone ringtone because it takes so much time
> that it's not worth using some of your limited time on earth
> attempting such a task

It's literally just a few taps and a couple minutes, dipshit troll.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-20, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

There's no need to do any of what Silly Steve is suggesting. It can all
be done directly on your iPhone in a matter of a couple minutes. See my
other reply with instructions.

[Hank Rogers]

Hank Rogers wrote:

> Your Name wrote:

>>
>> <https://www.tenorshare.com/iphone-data/convert-mp3-to-m4r-for-iphone-ringtone.html>
>>
>>
>> There's a pile of other iPhone ringtone topics on the same website.
>>
>
> Thanks, but it doesn't work. In itunes, when I right click, I don't
> see an option for "Create ACC Version". I tried mp3 and a wav,
> neither showed the create option on right click menu.
>
> Maybe I have unknowingly made some setting in itunes that prevents
> it from working for me?
>
> I'm using itunes Version 12.12.4.1
>

I found the convert function. It's not in the right click menu, but
you have to go to file / create.

Still don't work though. itunes throws a hissy with the renamed (to
.m4r) file.

I also found this tutorial:

https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-12051

I don't fully understand it tho, (its a real *can of worms).

OP may be right. It's the most obfuscated mess I've ever seen.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-20, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Nah. You just refuse to acknowledge what I have already shown: that it
can be easily done with a few taps in under 5 minutes.

Troll on, though. It' all you've got. : )

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-19, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to download a bird sound and set it as my ringtone. Can this be
> done and how can I point the Settings / Sound / Ringtone to that
> sound? I don’t see a way to point it to something different than
> what’s already provided by Apple.

As I've already posted (and the trolls desperately want to ignore), this
is easy to do and takes under 5 minutes, as you can see:

The trolls will tell you not to believe your lying eyes though. No,
according to them, this is impossibly complicated to do or is flat-out
"impossible". ; )

[Your Name]

Never needed to make a ringtone myself, and the only thing I use iTunes
for is to backup our iPad to my Mac.

BUT, a very quick glance shows that there is a "Convert > Create ACC
version" option in the File manu of MacOS iTunes 12.8.3.1. It doesn't
seem to be in the right-click pop-up menu though.

There are also other apps that can create iOS ringtones - GarageBand
being one on the Mac. Another page on that same website suggests using
Tenorshare iCareFone (Windows or MacOS) ... but then that is their own
hideously over-priced product.
<https://www.tenorshare.com/iphone-tips/how-to-add-ringtones-to-iphone.html>

That same webpage also gives a few websites, including at least one
online place to create / convert ringtones for free.
<https://melofania.club>

[CDB]

On 8/20/2022 12:48 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> You will make excuse after excuse for why only the primitive iOS can't do
> the most basic of things, nospam... like set a ringtone to an MP3 file.

Is that correct that the iPhone can't use an mp3 as a ringtone sound file?

[CDB]

On 8/20/2022 9:33 PM, Your Name wrote:

> There are also other apps that can create iOS ringtones

Why does iOS have its own special format for simple ring tones?

[nospam]

In article <tds3s7$1ru0$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, CDB <belle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Why does iOS have its own special format for simple ring tones?

it uses aac, which is an standard format that's smaller and higher
quality than mp3.

[Heron]

On 8/20/2022 7:50 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 1. Open Safari and search for a sound:

Almost all ringtone sounds you want to download will be mp3 files.
Does your method work when starting with those mp3 ringtone files?

[badgolferman]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> In summary, if this was any other platform, badgolferman would be done.
> But not on iOS.
>

Apple is supposed to be famous for “it just works” smartphones, but in this
case it doesn’t just work. You have to download extra software, learn how
to use it, open a mp3 file and edit it to a certain size and bit rate, save
it as a proprietary format, transfer it by wire to your smartphone if you
did all this on your computer, and hope it shows up in the list of
ringtones so you can select it.

You should be able to just download any sound file and use that as your
ringtone. You’re not going to make a mp3 file sound superior to what it was
by converting it to a different format. And even if somehow you could add
extra bits, it’s a damn ringtone and not a high fidelity orchestral
symphony coming from those tiny tinny speakers on the phone.

So some people say it’s simple and here are the ten steps needed to do it.
No thanks.

[Hank Rogers]

Probably wise decision. I've not been able to get it working
anyway. Once you covert and rename the file extension, itunes won't
have anything to do with the file anymore. Maybe it worked on older
versions, but not with the latest itunes.

I never got to the point of trying to get it to sync to the phone,
so don't know if that works either.

[nospam]

In article <tds5st$jnd$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Apple is supposed to be famous for łit just works˛ smartphones, but in this
> case it doesnšt just work. You have to download extra software, learn how
> to use it,

that's not required, but it does make it easier.

users certainly have the option to make things as difficult as possible.

> open a mp3 file and edit it to a certain size and bit rate,

short ring tones are best, but that's optional. most calls are answered
within 5-10 seconds and will roll to voicemail in 30 seconds, so having
a 3+ minute song is a bit silly. the bit rate doesn't matter.

> save
> it as a proprietary format,

aac is *not* proprietary. it's a widely used industry standard format
that's higher quality with a smaller size than mp3.

> transfer it by wire to your smartphone

wifi works perfectly fine.

> if you
> did all this on your computer, and hope it shows up in the list of
> ringtones so you can select it.

no hope needed.

> You should be able to just download any sound file and use that as your
> ringtone.

that can be done via sites with aac ringtones, or an mp3 can easily be
converted.

but since you want easy, try this:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Tone_Text_Transfer_Language>

[Andy Burnelli]

badgolferman wrote:

> Apple is supposed to be famous for "it just works" smartphones...

Let's be clear that the "it just works" propaganda isn't close to reality.

> but in this case it doesn't just work.

On _every_ platform, one would hope there is an easy way to rip a ringtone
from a typical YouTube video, saved in MP3 format & set in the settings.

Why?

Because that's essentially what everyone wants to be able to easily do.

> You have to download extra software, learn how
> to use it, open a mp3 file and edit it to a certain size and bit rate, save
> it as a proprietary format, transfer it by wire to your smartphone if you
> did all this on your computer, and hope it shows up in the list of
> ringtones so you can select it.

The proprietary format is a *gotcha* that only Apple does to its consumers.

> You should be able to just download any sound file and use that as your
> ringtone.

Agreed. Every platform _except_ iOS can use MP3 files for most sounds.

> You're not going to make a mp3 file sound superior to what it was
> by converting it to a different format.

True.

> And even if somehow you could add
> extra bits, it's a damn ringtone and not a high fidelity orchestral
> symphony coming from those tiny tinny speakers on the phone.

Exactly.

> So some people say it's simple and here are the ten steps needed to do it.

Apple is profitable because of the ways they screw their loyal customer.
They make even simple things harder so that people tend to just buy it.

> No thanks.

If you want, you can point me to any youtube video you want me to rip and I
should be able to create a 30-second ringtone in the Apple proprietary
format for you. I can probably find a binary upload site to give it to you.

I can rip any YouTube directly to Android
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart, which in this case was to add
logical agreement and sensible assessment to what badgolferman is feeling.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Apple is supposed to be famous for ³it just works² smartphones, but in this
>> case it doesn¹t just work. You have to download extra software, learn how

>> to use it,
>
> that's not required, but it does make it easier.

What badgolferman wants... _everyone_ wants.

> users certainly have the option to make things as difficult as possible.

You will make excuse after excuse for why only the primitive iOS can't do
the most basic of things, nospam... like set a ringtone to an MP3 file.

>> save
>> it as a proprietary format,
>
> aac is *not* proprietary. it's a widely used industry standard format
> that's higher quality with a smaller size than mp3.

It's no longer shocking nospam is ignorant every other platform uses MP3.

>> transfer it by wire to your smartphone
>
> wifi works perfectly fine.

Despite Apple propaganda, Wi-Fi file transfer with iOS is a clusterfuck.

>> if you
>> did all this on your computer, and hope it shows up in the list of
>> ringtones so you can select it.
>
> no hope needed.

Despite Apple propaganda, files on the iOS filesystem are a clusterfuck.

>> You should be able to just download any sound file and use that as your
>> ringtone.
>
> that can be done via sites with aac ringtones, or an mp3 can easily be
> converted.

Apple uses the AAC ringtone so that people are forced to buy it from them.

> but since you want easy, try this:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Tone_Text_Transfer_Language>

If badgolferman wants to post a YouTube video, I'll create an apple-centric
30-second ringtone for him in whatever format Apple forces users to use.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to back up the sensible statements by badgolferman.

[Jolly Roger]

That's untrue. MPEG-4 is a *standard* format:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14>

[Jolly Roger]

Yes, and had you bothered to look at the screenshots in my instructions,
you'd know that. : )

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-21, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> In summary, if this was any other platform, badgolferman would be done.
>> But not on iOS.
>
> Apple is supposed to be famous for “it just works” smartphones, but in this
> case it doesn’t just work. You have to download extra software, learn how
> to use it, open a mp3 file and edit it to a certain size and bit rate, save
> it as a proprietary format, transfer it by wire to your smartphone if you
> did all this on your computer, and hope it shows up in the list of
> ringtones so you can select it.

Nope.

First, installing a free app (GarageBand) on a smartphone isn't an
unreasonable task.

Second, there is no need to mess with the bit rate, and the only size
constraint is that ringtones only play the first 20-30 seconds of the
clip. You don't have to save it as any special format, no computer is
required, and it reliably gets saved directly to the iPhone's ringtones
from GarageBand right on the phone.

And you'd know all of this already if you had bothered to follow the
simple steps I already provided:

1. Open Safari and search for a sound:

Done deal. It only takes a couple minutes to do. : )

> So some people say it’s simple and here are the ten steps needed to do
> it.

Which is true.

> No thanks.

You do you, grandpa.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-21, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> badgolferman wrote:
>>
>> So some people say it’s simple and here are the ten steps needed to do it.

>> No thanks.
>
> Probably wise decision. I've not been able to get it working
> anyway.

Because you are ignoring the easiest method of doing it in favor of a
convoluted and error-prone way of doing it (because: troll). It's
actually quite easy to do - no computer required:

Done deal. : )

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-21, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-21, Heron <McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
>> On 8/20/2022 7:50 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Open Safari and search for a sound:
>>
>> Almost all ringtone sounds you want to download will be mp3 files.
>> Does your method work when starting with those mp3 ringtone files?
>
> Yes, and had you bothered to look at the screenshots in my instructions,
> you'd know that. : )

Relevant screenshot:

<https://imgur.com/pjPgyD2>

[Andy Burnelli]

Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2022-08-21, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> badgolferman wrote:
>>>

>>> So some people say it’s simple and here are the ten steps needed to do it.

Something so simple to do on all other platforms, is a clusterfuck on iOS.

[Your Name]

All OSes and apps have "special formats" for anything and everything -
always have, always will.

There are numerous apps and website that can convert between different
formats with ease. One exampe being
<https://audio.online-convert.com/convert-to-m4r>

[Andy Burnelli]

Jolly Roger wrote:

> You don't have to save it as any special format

It's no longer shocking how fantastically ignorant these iKooks are.

[nospam]

In article <tds9m3$1lnk$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Apple uses the AAC ringtone so that people are forced to buy it from them.

rubbish. aac is an industry standard format.

[badgolferman]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> If you want, you can point me to any youtube video you want me to rip and I
> should be able to create a 30-second ringtone in the Apple proprietary
> format for you. I can probably find a binary upload site to give it to you.
>
> I can rip any YouTube directly to Android

Thank you for the offer Arlen, but I no longer want it for the reasons
posted earlier. Despite the various multi-step methods provided already, it
was a bad idea in the first place and I would have surely reverted back to
the classic old phone ringtone sound which I’ve had since the iPhone 4.
Maybe sms can put this on his list of native features lacking in iOS.

[nospam]

In article <tdt1u0$1nuj$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman

<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe sms can put this on his list of native features lacking in iOS.

nothing is lacking. both offer the ability of custom ring tones (ios
was first, of course), with slightly different processes. note that on
android, you *also* have to open and edit sounds for ring tones and
trim them to size. the only difference is saving to mp3 versus aac.
also note that there is nothing remotely equivalent to garageband on
android (or windows), so you're actually rather limited in what types
of ring tones can be made.

[sms]

The iPhone uses AAC compression for audio files. They separate
ringtones, music, and audio book files based on the file extension, m4r,
m4a, and m4b. There is also m4p for DRM protected audio files. When you
sync your iPhone with your computer iTunes (or now Music on the Mac) the
iPhone knows how those files are to be used based on the file extension.

Apple chose to use AAC instead of mp3. One reason is that you can get
slightly better audio quality, at the same bit rate, with AAC versus
mp3, but there were other, marketing reasons, to not directly support
mp3 files.

The system of different extensions for different uses of audio files was
actually a good idea.

m4r, m4a, and m4b all use the same encoding, and you can manually change
the file name extension. That's one of the things you have to do when
you're creating a ring tone for the iPhone from an mp3. The other thing
you have to do is to trim the length of the audio file to 30 seconds or
less.

[sms]

While it's still more complex than it needs to be, you can also use an
iPhone app to turn any AAC audio file on the phone into a ringtone.

I've used
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ringtones-maker-the-ring-app/id1358107315>.
You'll still need to transfer your bird sound mp3 file to the phone
using iTunes (Windows) or Music (Mac) which will convert it to an m4a.

That app is a little annoying, with all the ads (no your iPhone memory
is not really full!), and it's still several steps since you have to
trim the audio file, then open the file in Garage Band, but in many
cases you want to use a specific part of the audio file anyway, not
start from the beginning. Even though I had trimmed the audio file to
exactly 30.0 seconds, Garage Band said it was too long and it trimmed it
a little further.

The key thing is to not get frustrated when performing a task that
should be simple, but that has been made needlessly complex!

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-21, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you want, you can point me to any youtube video you want me to rip
>> and I should be able to create a 30-second ringtone in the Apple
>> proprietary format for you. I can probably find a binary upload site
>> to give it to you.
>>
>> I can rip any YouTube directly to Android
>
> Thank you for the offer Arlen, but I no longer want it for the reasons
> posted earlier.

It's crystal clear that you in fact *never* actually wanted it, and
started this thread as a lame troll. I created your dumb bird ringtone
in two minutes completely on my iPhone with a few taps, no computers,
and no payware involved, posted step-by-step instructions with
screenshots showing how to do it, and you and your little troll buddies
ignored it and proposed much more complicated methods that take much
more work and still don't get the job done nearly as easily (if at all),
just so you could "complain" Apple: BAD, as your little lame gang
planned all along. Your trolls are just pathetic, and you're not fooling
anyone who knows better. : ) Creating a ringtone from any MP3 on an
iPhone is simple and takes just a few taps and a few minutes:

Done deal. : )

[nospam]

In article <tdtbg4$2blng$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> The iPhone uses AAC compression for audio files.

iphones support a wide variety of industry standard formats, including
mp3, aac, flac, aiff, alac, dolby digital and dolby atmos.

> They separate
> ringtones, music, and audio book files based on the file extension, m4r,
> m4a, and m4b.

that's because each type has different use cases. for example audio
books have chapter markers, which does not make sense for music.

mp3 does not support that.

> Apple chose to use AAC instead of mp3. One reason is that you can get
> slightly better audio quality, at the same bit rate, with AAC versus
> mp3, but there were other, marketing reasons, to not directly support
> mp3 files.

it's solely for quality and additional functionality, and iphones *do*
directly support mp3, just not for ringtones.

stop pretending to know why apple does what they do.

> The system of different extensions for different uses of audio files was
> actually a good idea.

actually not. they could have done it via metadata.

it does help users distinguish books from songs from ringtones,
however, so there is a small benefit there.

> m4r, m4a, and m4b all use the same encoding, and you can manually change
> the file name extension. That's one of the things you have to do when
> you're creating a ring tone for the iPhone from an mp3. The other thing
> you have to do is to trim the length of the audio file to 30 seconds or
> less.

there is no requirement that the ringtone be short, although that's a
very good idea on any phone, including android.

[nospam]

In article <tdtdlf$2brnh$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> While it's still more complex than it needs to be, you can also use an
> iPhone app to turn any AAC audio file on the phone into a ringtone.

which makes it very simple. no computer required (although that does
provide for more flexibility unavailable for android).

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-21, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> Apple chose to use AAC instead of mp3. One reason is that you can get
> slightly better audio quality, at the same bit rate, with AAC versus
> mp3, but there were other, marketing reasons, to not directly support
> mp3 files.

Nonsense. Apple directly supports MP3. I have *many* MP3 files in my
music library and they play just fine on my Apple mobile devices. MPEG-4
(AAC) is simply better in just about every way than MPEG-3 (MP3), and
that's why Apple uses it for their own purposes. Both are industry
standard formats as well.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 20.08.22 um 19:45 schrieb gtr:
> On 2022-08-20 09:42:10 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:
>
>> Life time can be spent much wiser. Use the time to buy flowers for your
>> wife and spend another $ for a ringtone.
>
> You don't want to help.
> You only want to hurt.

Eternal Troll: gtr <x...@yyy.zzz>

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[sms]

I put it into the document already. Yes, it would be nice if this was a
native capability, but that is unlikely to happen. It might hurt the
sale of ringtones. So it will remain a "workaround."

The reality is that no matter what mp3 file you want on your iPhone
you're going to have to transfer it to the iPhone using either Music
(Mac) or iTunes (Windows) and it will convert it to an m4a file. From
there, you can make it into a ringtone using an app like
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ringtones-maker-the-ring-app/id1358107315>.
The app works, but the ads are annoying and it's still several steps,
but I've used it and it's not difficult once you get the hang of it.

[badgolferman]

Jolly Roger wrote:

>It's crystal clear that you in fact never actually wanted it, and

>started this thread as a lame troll.

It's crystal clear you are clueless as to my intentions. If I didn't
like iPhones I wouldn't have had one since the iPhone 4 was released.
So that's the 4, 4S, 5, 5S, 6, 7 , 8, SE, SE2, 12. I even switched my
wife from her Android Samsung Galaxy to iPhones.

Keep proving what a jerk you are.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-21, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>It's crystal clear that you in fact never actually wanted it, and
>>started this thread as a lame troll.
>

> Keep proving what a jerk you are.

I'm not the one "asking" for advice, then ganging up with my troll
buddies claiming something that can be done with a few clicks and a
couple minutes of your time is somehow too hard or impossible - that's
you, sms, and Arlen right here in this thread, for all to see. It is a
matter of record that I created your lame bird ringtone in two minutes
on my iPhone with ease, gave you step-by-step instructions with
screenshots showing how to do it, and you and your dipshit troll gang
have spent literal days polluting this thread with pure unadulterated
bullshit. None of you are fooling anyone who knows better, but by all
means, continue making yourselves look foolish if you must. : )

[YK]

Another iOS related thread for the kill file that Arlen insisted on
including in comp.sys.mac.system. I suppose this too will turn into an
extended argument about how all owners of Apple products are iKooks and
absolutely morons and brain washed by Apple advertising and Apple does
no research on anything they sell. There I filled a lot of the shit
Arlen poops in this group.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-21, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>

> The reality is that no matter what mp3 file you want on your iPhone
> you're going to have to transfer it to the iPhone using either Music
> (Mac) or iTunes (Windows) and it will convert it to an m4a file.

Nope, you can download an MP3 straight to your iPhone and save it as a
ringtone with no computer or conversion or filename renaming steps
required, as I have already shown multiple times:

Done deal. : )

Squirm, little worms! Trolling is all you've got! : D

[nospam]

In article <tdtf4g$2c090$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> I put it into the document already.

of course you did.

> Yes, it would be nice if this was a
> native capability,

it *is* a native capability, which can be done entirely on the device.

> but that is unlikely to happen.

it already did happen.

> It might hurt the
> sale of ringtones.

as if that amounts to much, plus many third party companies sell ring
tones as well as offer them for free (in .m4r format), where apple gets
absolutely nothing.

> So it will remain a "workaround."

it's not in any way a workaround. it's just a slightly different
process than android. you're making it into something far more
complicated than it actually is to fit your narrative.

> The reality is that no matter what mp3 file you want on your iPhone
> you're going to have to transfer it to the iPhone

just like android.

or did you think someone could magically wave their hands and make
sound files appear on the phone?

> using either Music
> (Mac) or iTunes (Windows) and it will convert it to an m4a file.

that takes a few seconds, and can even be scripted for those who want
more than the occasional ring tone, thereby automating the process.

[badgolferman]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-21, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> It's crystal clear that you in fact never actually wanted it, and
>>> started this thread as a lame troll.
>>
>> Keep proving what a jerk you are.
>
> I'm not the one "asking" for advice, then ganging up with my troll
> buddies claiming something that can be done with a few clicks and a
> couple minutes of your time is somehow too hard or impossible - that's
> you, sms, and Arlen right here in this thread, for all to see. It is a
> matter of record that I created your lame bird ringtone in two minutes
> on my iPhone with ease, gave you step-by-step instructions with
> screenshots showing how to do it, and you and your dipshit troll gang
> have spent literal days polluting this thread with pure unadulterated
> bullshit. None of you are fooling anyone who knows better, but by all
> means, continue making yourselves look foolish if you must. : )
>

Even if your method took two steps rather than ten steps I still wouldn’t
do it since I have an aversion to anything which comes from a childish
arrogant jerk. I’ve already told you I changed my mind for various reasons,
among them being hard of hearing. The classic old phone sound is
penetrating and gets through pants pockets or sitting in another room.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-08-21, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-21, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's crystal clear that you in fact never actually wanted it, and
>>>> started this thread as a lame troll.
>>>
>>> Keep proving what a jerk you are.
>>
>> I'm not the one "asking" for advice, then ganging up with my troll
>> buddies claiming something that can be done with a few clicks and a
>> couple minutes of your time is somehow too hard or impossible -
>> that's you, sms, and Arlen right here in this thread, for all to see.
>> It is a matter of record that I created your lame bird ringtone in
>> two minutes on my iPhone with ease, gave you step-by-step
>> instructions with screenshots showing how to do it, and you and your
>> dipshit troll gang have spent literal days polluting this thread with
>> pure unadulterated bullshit. None of you are fooling anyone who knows
>> better, but by all means, continue making yourselves look foolish if
>> you must. : )
>
> Even if your method took two steps rather than ten steps I still
> wouldn’t do it

Yes, we've already established that. Thanks for confirming you're not
actually asking for help.

[sms]

That ship sailed a _long_ time ago.

[Connor Shannon]

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-7, badgolferman wrote:

> >
> Installing new software and changing extensions, blah, blah isn’t worth the
> effort.

??? What new software? Just use Garageband like a bunch of ppl said. It's already on your iPhone!

Yes it takes a few steps but not many, even I was able to do it a couple times!

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Apple uses the AAC ringtone so that people are forced to buy it from them.
>
> rubbish. aac is an industry standard format.

Almost everyone wants MP3.
Almost nobody wants AAC.

It's Apple's way to restrict the ability for people to do what they want.
I can easily convert anything to your utterly crappy AAC worthless format.

But most people can't.
At least not as easily as I can do it (it's trivial for me).

But I _still_ would have to make that utterly idiotic Apple conversion.
Which is what badgolferman is lamenting.

Apple makes the simplest of things harder to do just for their profits.

[nospam]

In article <tdvhu8$i62$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Almost everyone wants MP3.
> Almost nobody wants AAC.

false

> It's Apple's way to restrict the ability for people to do what they want.

there is no restriction.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Maybe sms can put this on his list of native features lacking in iOS.
>
> nothing is lacking.

It's not so much that anything is "lacking" but that Apple inserted an
extra completely unnecessary step of conversion to the idiotic AAC format.

> both offer the ability of custom ring tones (ios
> was first, of course), with slightly different processes.

The main difference is the iOS requirement for the idiotic AAC format.

> note that on
> android, you *also* have to open and edit sounds for ring tones and
> trim them to size. the only difference is saving to mp3 versus aac.

The main difference is nobody but Apple requires the idiotic AAC format.

> also note that there is nothing remotely equivalent to garageband on
> android (or windows), so you're actually rather limited in what types
> of ring tones can be made.

I haven't used garage band in a while but when I had last tested it out,
years ago, it was a nice tool for _synthesizing_ music (as I recall).

The OP doesn't seem to need to "synthesize" so much as convert the MP3 that
is universally found from ripping off YouTube (or other sources) for iOS.

It's only on iOS the OP will need to convert to the idiotic AAC format.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Almost everyone wants MP3.
>> Almost nobody wants AAC.
>
> false

Everyone but you iKooks wants MP3.
Not the idiotic AAC format.

>
>> It's Apple's way to restrict the ability for people to do what they want.
>
> there is no restriction.

Ask the OP if there is a restriction.
He's the one who has to convert an MP3 to that idiotic AAC format.

[Andy Burnelli]

sms wrote:

>> Keep proving what a jerk you are.
>
> That ship sailed a _long_ time ago.

Even if Jolly Roger wasn't a jerk, his "solution" is a classic clusterfuck.

[Andy Burnelli]

sms wrote:

> The reality is that no matter what mp3 file you want on your iPhone
> you're going to have to transfer it to the iPhone using either Music
> (Mac) or iTunes (Windows) and it will convert it to an m4a file.

For those (like Steve) who are familiar with how trivially easy it is to
slide a file from the PC, note the added hurdle erected by Apple for iOS.
<https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows

Apple adds these unnecessary file-transfer hurdles purely to lock you in.
<https://i.postimg.cc/BvJdKWzt/webdav06.jpg> Both sdcards mounted

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> The reality is that no matter what mp3 file you want on your iPhone
>> you're going to have to transfer it to the iPhone
>
> just like android.
>
> or did you think someone could magically wave their hands and make
> sound files appear on the phone?

It's no longer shocking how clueless nospam is of how EASY file transfer is
for Android compared to the clusterfuck that is Windows:iOS file transfer.

You're "almost" forced to use the horrific iTunes bloatware clusterfuck.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> While it's still more complex than it needs to be, you can also use an
>> iPhone app to turn any AAC audio file on the phone into a ringtone.
>
> which makes it very simple. no computer required (although that does
> provide for more flexibility unavailable for android).

WTF?

What's not available on Android, nospam?

Tell us.

[Jim S]

In article <news:tdmqkn$1j2h$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> says...

> I want to download a bird sound and set it as my ringtone.

https://www.zedge.net/find/ringtones/kookaburra
https://www.toneswall.com/ringtones/bird-ringtones/airtel-bird-ringtone-2798
https://www.redringtones.com/laughing-kookaburra/
--
Jim S

[nospam]

In article <tdvk2i$1h7p$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

once again, you snip to alter context. read what you snipped for a clue.