Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes

[Arlen G. Holder]

If you didn't learn this message from the batteries release note...
o Here's the same lesson - about Apple release notes - yet again.

Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes

Apple is a genius at downplaying severe privacy & security holes
o so big you can drive a bus through them ... for years on end!

Case in point, Gizmodo reported today that Apple release notes disguised 14
critically huge security holes that were in effect for _years_ in multiple
iOS releases as merely simple innocent "memory corruption" issues.
o Websites Hacked iPhone Users Silently for Years
<https://gizmodo.com/google-hackers-reveal-websites-hacked-thousands-of-ipho-1837743833>

Given that people _believe_ the crap Apple puts in the release notes
(witness Jolly Roger claimed Apple told us about the secret throttling,
which, it turned out, they added surreptitiously _after the fact, and even
then, didn't mention the throttling - nor that they had humans listening in
on your most private geolocated conversations - nor that those humans were
transients who didn't even work for Apple) ... the lesson here is simple:

Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes

The fact is that the diarrhea of Apple releases is insufficiently tested.
o Apple ships huge security holes which are easily exploited in the wild
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

[nospam]

In article <qket6q$1jk$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder
<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

> Don't ever trust anything that I post

ftfy

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 19:03:17 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Don't ever trust anything that I post
>
> ftfy

Hi nospam,

The point is that...
o Advertising imaginary functionality is so much easier than delivering it

Hence, it's interesting you have no adult response to facts.

Like a fifth grade child - you have to change my text
just so that you can write what your fifth grade mind thinks is clever.

The fact is clear:
o Apple grossly minimized 14 severe huge security & privacy exploits
o In the release notes

And worse...
o For _years_, these huge holes existed in each release (over years!)
o Where it took Google - not Apple - to find them.

The problem here is obvious.
o Apple lies - which is fine as all companies lie

But the average Apple user _believes_ those lies.

That! Is the real problem.
o It's like a child told the bad guy can't get him if he closes the door.

Apple makes the average user only _feel_ safe
o While the facts clearly show the users is not even close to safe

Advertising imaginary privacy is so much easier than actually delivering it
o

[Your Name]

On 2019-08-31 22:43:38 +0000, Arlen G. Holder said:
>
<snip the usual load of ignorant anti-Apple ranting>

The know-nothing troll changes his name again. :-\

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 12:30:30 +1200, Your Name wrote:

> <snip the usual load of ignorant anti-Apple ranting>

Hi Your Name,
I realize those with child like beliefs hate the messenger of facts...
o Such as "Santa Claus is a highly advertised illusion"...

This quote, from below, is a fact you will hate "me" for telling you:
"In a heartbeat, the researchers had pricked the bubble of Apple's
supposed security superiority"

FACTS:
o Apple Just Gave 1.4 Billion Users A Reason To Quit Their iPads, iPhones
"Following news Apple secretly paid contractors to listen to audio
recordings from users' iPhones and iPads, we now know virtually every
iPhone and iPad on the planet has been open to attack for at least two
years. Furthermore, the attack was cheap to do, tricked thousands of owners
every week and Apple had no clue it was going on."
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/08/31/apple-iphone-ipad-security-ios-upgrade-iphone-xs-max-xr-update/>

FACTS:
o Apple Still Has Work to do on Privacy
"As flaws go, it looks like a very bad one. And when security fails so
spectacularly, all those shiny privacy promises naturally go straight out
the window. More broadly, it also tests the generally held assumption that
iPhones are superior to Android devices when it comes to security."
<https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/31/apple-still-has-work-to-do-on-privacy/>

FACTS:
o New iPhone Hack Shock For 1 Billion Apple Users As Attacker Is Revealed
"The nature of the hack also shines a light on Apple's approach to
software development and penetration testing and patching. And, to many's
surprise, the Cupertino giant has been found wanting."
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/09/01/ahead-of-iphone-11-new-apple-hack-revelation-will-shock-1-billion-users/#14b3934f4acd>

"For those whose devices were infected, "the attackers were able to get
highly privileged access to core parts of the iPhone operating system." An
attack could access photos and messages, steal login credentials and
banking passwords, even access location information. And those passwords
could have stored in the system, not scraped as a website was being
accessed."

It's interesting that you call facts, Anti Apple facts.
o Why are you so afraid of facts about Apple products?

HINT: Imaginary belief systems are instantly destroyed ... by facts.
o For example, Santa Claus doesn't exist - even if he's highly marketed.

The facts show that Apple merely advertises the _illusion_ of privacy
o Merely advertising imaginary privacy is so much easier than delivering it

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 22:43:38 -0000 (UTC), Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes

More proof Apple (brilliantly) downplayed the severity of iOS flaws
which lasted for two years and which covered every level of the operating
system, according to Wired today...

Proving Apple severely downplayed (aka lied) in the release notes is
information summarized in this Wired article explanation, where Mac
researchers call the extensive iOS flaws "chilling", while Apple downplays
the 14 severe flaws at all levels as merely "

"The hackers still made some strangely amateurish mistakes, Williams
mentions, making it all the more extraordinary that they operated so long
without being detected."

"chains of code took advantage of a total of 14 security flaws,
targeting everything from the browser's 'sandbox' isolation mechanism to
the core of the operating system known as the kernel, ultimately gaining
complete control over the phone.

They were also used anything but sparingly. Google's researchers say the
malicious sites were programmed to assess devices that loaded them, and to
compromise them with powerful monitoring malware if possible. Almost every
version of iOS 10 through iOS 12 was potentially vulnerable. The sites were
active since at least 2017"

"This is terrifying," says Thomas Reed, a Mac and mobile malware research
specialist at the security firm Malwarebytes....The idea that someone was
[easily] infecting all iPhones that visited certain sites is chilling."

"The attack is notable not just for its breadth, but for the depth of
information it could glean from a victim iPhone. Once installed, it could
monitor live location data, or be used to grab photos, contacts, and even
passwords and other sensitive information from the iOS Keychain.

With such deep system access, the attackers could also potentially read or
listen to communications sent through encrypted messaging services, like
WhatsApp, iMessage, or Signal. The malware doesn't break the underlying
encryption, but these programs still decrypt data on the sender and
receiver's devices. Attackers may have even grabbed access tokens that can
be used to log into services like social media and communication accounts.
Reed says that victim iPhone users would probably have had no indication
that their devices were infected."

"If a hacking operation is brazen enough to indiscriminately hack thousands
of phones, iPhone hacking isn't all that expensive, according to Cooper
Quintin, a security researcher with the Electronic Frontier Foundation's
Threat Lab."

"Regardless of who may be behind it, the mass undetected hacking of
thousands of iPhones should be a wake-up call to the security industryĄXand
particularly anyone who has dismissed iOS hacking as an outlier phenomenon,
unlikely to affect anyone whose secrets aren't worth $1 million."

iOS is basically an untested diarrhea of releases
o The sheer frequency of the releases makes its user base _feel_ safe

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-08-31 3:43 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> If you didn't learn this message from the batteries release note...
> o Here's the same lesson - about Apple release notes - yet again.
>
> Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes
>
> Apple is a genius at downplaying severe privacy & security holes
> o so big you can drive a bus through them ... for years on end!
>
> Case in point, Gizmodo reported today that Apple release notes disguised 14
> critically huge security holes that were in effect for _years_ in multiple
> iOS releases as merely simple innocent "memory corruption" issues.
> o Websites Hacked iPhone Users Silently for Years
> <https://gizmodo.com/google-hackers-reveal-websites-hacked-thousands-of-ipho-1837743833>

Quote that part of the article here, please.

The words "release notes" don't appear in that article, neither does
"disguise".

>
> Given that people _believe_ the crap Apple puts in the release notes

To which "release notes" are you referring?

Quote the stuff you claim is "crap" and provide a link to the source,
please.

> (witness Jolly Roger claimed Apple told us about the secret throttling,
> which, it turned out, they added surreptitiously _after the fact, and even
> then, didn't mention the throttling - nor that they had humans listening in
> on your most private geolocated conversations - nor that those humans were
> transients who didn't even work for Apple) ... the lesson here is simple:
>
> Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes

Which "release notes" would those be and what is it they say which isn't
trustworthy?

Quote and reference, please.

>
> The fact is that the diarrhea of Apple releases is insufficiently tested.
> o Apple ships huge security holes which are easily exploited in the wild
> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
>

Another article in which the words "release notes" do not appear...

If you do anything other than add your reply text to the entire text of
this post, it is your admission that you're absolutely full of shit.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-01 10:44 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 22:43:38 -0000 (UTC), Arlen G. Holder wrote:
>> Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes
>
> More proof Apple (brilliantly) downplayed the severity of iOS flaws
> which lasted for two years and which covered every level of the operating
> system, according to Wired today...

Where is the reference to this supposed "article" (or something) from Wired?

> thousands of iPhones should be a wake-up call to the security industry¡Xand

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 10:19:04 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> Where is the reference to this supposed "article" (or something) from Wired?

Hi Alan Baker,

The point of this thread is to provide facts for the clear statement:
o *Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes*

Thanks for catching that faux pas, where my facts are always easily backed
up so I appreciate that you asked for the cite from where my facts were
taken.

To the point of this thread, take a look at how this clearly "terrifying"
attack was listed in the Apple release notes after Google did Apple's OS
testing for them.

Once you read what Apple wrote - and then you comprehend the facts...
o You'll never trust anything that Apple ever says in their release notes

o Mysterious iOS Attack Changes Everything We Know About iPhone Hacking
"For two years...websites have indiscriminately hacked...iPhones."
<https://www.wired.com/story/ios-attack-watering-hole-project-zero/>

"This is terrifying," says Thomas Reed, a Mac and mobile malware research
specialist at the security firm Malwarebytes."

"The attack is notable not just for its breadth, but for the depth of
information it could glean from a victim iPhone. Once installed, it could
monitor live location data, or be used to grab photos, contacts, and even
passwords and other sensitive information from the iOS Keychain.

With such deep system access, the attackers could also potentially read or
listen to communications sent through encrypted messaging services, like
WhatsApp, iMessage, or Signal. The malware doesn't break the underlying
encryption, but these programs still decrypt data on the sender and
receiver's devices. Attackers may have even grabbed access tokens that can
be used to log into services like social media and communication accounts.
Reed says that victim iPhone users would probably have had no indication
that their devices were infected."

"The hackers still made some strangely amateurish mistakes, Williams
mentions, making it all the more extraordinary that they operated so long

without being detected [by Apple]".

Fundamentally, if you compare the breatdh of this attack, with over 14
exploits at every level and from iOS 10 to 12, and then you compare what
Apple wrote in their release notes ... you'll realize one salient concept:

*Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes*

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 10:17:59 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> To which "release notes" are you referring?
>
> Quote the stuff you claim is "crap" and provide a link to the source,
> please.

Hi Alan Baker,

Adults are able to do two things:
a. Comprehend basic facts
b. Tie those facts together into logical assessments

The point of this thread is clearly to provide both, summarized as:
o *Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes*

FACTS:
The attack is clearly "terrifying" and it clearly spanned over two years
with over 14 separate iOS exploits at all levels of the iOS operating
systems from iOS 10 to iOS 12.
o Apple ships huge security holes for years easily exploited in the wild
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

FACTS:
o As usual, Apple didn't sufficiently test all the iOS releases affected
o Google found the huge iOS security flaws - not Apple (yet again)

FACTS:
"Apple patched them in iOS 12.1.4, released on February 7"
<https://www.wired.com/story/ios-attack-watering-hole-project-zero/>

To the point of this thread, did you even LOOK at those release notes Alan?
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520>

Adults are able to do two things:
a. Comprehend basic facts
b. Tie those facts together into logical assessments

The point of this thread is clearly to provide both, summarized as:
o *Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes*

[nospam]

In article <qkjphh$ln9$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder
<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

>
> Thanks for catching that faux pas, where my 'facts' are always easily refuted

ftfy

[nospam]

In article <qkjq7a$mqi$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

> Adults are able to do two things:

a. buy alcohol
b. vote

you appear to have done a lot of the first, but hopefully none of the
second.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-02 12:23 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 10:17:59 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> To which "release notes" are you referring?
>>
>> Quote the stuff you claim is "crap" and provide a link to the source,
>> please.
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> Adults are able to do two things:
> a. Comprehend basic facts

Really?

Did you comprehend this:

"If you do anything other than add your reply text to the entire text of
this post, it is your admission that you're absolutely full of shit."

Did you do as I requested? No.

> b. Tie those facts together into logical assessments
>
> The point of this thread is clearly to provide both, summarized as:
> o *Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes*

What things have they said that cannot be trusted?

Show this with a quote and a source for that quote.

>
> FACTS:
> The attack is clearly "terrifying" and it clearly spanned over two years
> with over 14 separate iOS exploits at all levels of the iOS operating
> systems from iOS 10 to iOS 12.
> o Apple ships huge security holes for years easily exploited in the wild
> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

This says nothing about Apple's release notes. NOTHING>

>
> FACTS:
> o As usual, Apple didn't sufficiently test all the iOS releases affected
> o Google found the huge iOS security flaws - not Apple (yet again)

Which has what to do with your claim that Apple has said things in their
release notes that cannot be trusted?

>
> FACTS:
> "Apple patched them in iOS 12.1.4, released on February 7"
> <https://www.wired.com/story/ios-attack-watering-hole-project-zero/>
>
> To the point of this thread, did you even LOOK at those release notes Alan?
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520>
>
> Adults are able to do two things:
> a. Comprehend basic facts
> b. Tie those facts together into logical assessments
>
> The point of this thread is clearly to provide both, summarized as:
> o *Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes*

Produce the untrustworth text you claim exists.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-02 12:11 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 10:19:04 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Where is the reference to this supposed "article" (or something) from Wired?
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> The point of this thread is to provide facts for the clear statement:
> o *Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes*

That's not a reference for the Wired article, is it?

>
> Thanks for catching that faux pas, where my facts are always easily backed
> up so I appreciate that you asked for the cite from where my facts were
> taken.
>
> To the point of this thread, take a look at how this clearly "terrifying"
> attack was listed in the Apple release notes after Google did Apple's OS
> testing for them.
>
> Once you read what Apple wrote - and then you comprehend the facts...
> o You'll never trust anything that Apple ever says in their release notes

What release notes and what do they say that you allege is untrustworthy?

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Mon, 02 Sep 2019 15:46:20 -0400, nospam wrote:

> you appear to have done a lot of the first, but hopefully none of the
> second.

Hi nospam,

This is a thread supplying facts that support the statement:
o *"Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes"*

Adults should be able to do two very simple things
1. Comprehend facts
2. Form logical assessments of those facts

Such as:
a. Apple doesn't test the diarrhea of iOS releases sufficiently
b. Never trust anything Apple says in the iOS release notes

FACT:
Apple didn't find these "terrible" security holes - Google found them.
"On February 1st 2019 Project Zero reported to Apple that they had
detected a set of five separate and complete iPhone exploit chains
affecting iOS 10 through all versions of iOS 12 not targeting specific
users but having the ability to infect any user who visited an infected
site."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Zero>

FACT:
o Apple fixed these "terrible" bugs in iOS 12.1.4
"Apple fixed the exploits in the release of iOS 12.1.4 on February 7th, 2019."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Zero>

FACT:
o Malicious Websites Have Been Quietly Hacking iPhones for Years
o It may be the biggest attack against iPhone users yet.
<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjwne5/malicious-websites-hacked-iphones-for-years>

LOGICAL ASSESSMENT:
o It's a hugely big deal in terms of security holes for multiple releases
o And yet, you wouldn't know anything about it from Apple's release notes
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520>

Apple severely downplayed it as a single "memory corruption" issue:
"A memory corruption issue was addressed with improved input validation."

Yeah. Right. That's basically a lie given it was 14 separate issues, at
least one of which was a zero-day exploit, that spanned the gamut of
releases pervading all layers of the operating system.
o The facts are clear - where you can make your own _adult_ assessment.

LOGICAL ASSESSMENT:
o *Apple never tests the diarrhea of iOS releases sufficiently*
To wit: "The root causes ...ere are not novel and are often overlooked [by Apple QA testing]".
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

LOGICAL ASSESSMENT:
o *"Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes"*
To wit: "Working with TAG, we discovered exploits for a total of fourteen
vulnerabilities across the five exploit chains: seven for the iPhone┬ web
browser, five for the kernel and two separate sandbox escapes."
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-02 3:55 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Sep 2019 15:46:20 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> you appear to have done a lot of the first, but hopefully none of the
>> second.
>
> Hi nospam,
>
> This is a thread supplying facts that support the statement:
> o *"Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes"*

Was that a fact, or a conclusion? Why is it in quotes? Is it actually
something someone else said, or are you just quoting yourself?

[nospam]

In article <qkk6ki$cc9$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder

<arlen.g...@arlenholder.net> wrote:

>
> > you appear to have done a lot of the first, but hopefully none of the
> > second.

adults don't snip to alter context.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 15:51:48 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> What release notes and what do they say that you allege is untrustworthy?

Hi Alan Baker,

Adults need to be able to do two very simple things:
a. Comprehend basic facts, and,
b. Form logical assessments of those facts.

FACTS:

There are _plenty_ of facts, but all you need are two sets, Alan Baker:
A. <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520>
B. <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

Any adult will be able to comprehend the facts in those two references.
o Any adult can then form a logical assessment from those facts.

LOGICAL ASSESSMENT:

The facts clearly support the logical assessments
1. Apple (yet again) didn't test the diarrhea of iOS releases sufficiently
2. Don't every trust anything that Apple says in their release notes

ADULT DISCUSSION:

By now you should be aware that these exploits were sophomoric, where that
is proof enough that Apple didn't even bother to test the diarrhea of iOS
releases (where this quote from the reference above is telling):
"The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often
overlooked: we'll see cases of code which seems to have never worked, code
that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing or review before being
shipped to users."

By now even you should be aware of the basic fact that this "terrible" set
of flaws shipped for _years_ in _multiple_ iOS releases, right?

And, even you should be aware by now that the huge number of flaws spanned
the entire gamut of the operating system for a total of fourteen
vulnerabilities across the five exploit chains: seven for the iPhone's web

browser, five for the kernel and two separate sandbox escapes.

And yet, all Apple says about the exploits in its release notes is that
they fixed a single memory corruption issue.

In summary, Adults should be able to do two basic things, Alan Baker:
a. Comprehend basic facts, and,
b. Form logical assessments of those facts.

The fact is that Apple clearly lied by calling the fourteen issues which
spanned the layers a single memory corruption issue.

Since my belief system is not only based on facts, but bolstered by facts,
if you wish to dispute those logical assessments above, all you need to do
is provide FACTS which support your contrarian point of view, Alan Baker.

BTW, since you apologists own the minds of children, we can't even touch
the real issues here, which is the logical assessment that Apple's
(admittedly brilliant) marketing of the mere _illusion_ of security does
everyone who owns iOS a supreme disservice, where, Google put it this way
in the references above:
"Real users make risk decisions based on the public perception of the
security of these devices."

That logical assessment is easily understood by adults, Alan Baker.
o But there's no way we can get to that level with you in this thread.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-02 4:11 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 15:51:48 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> What release notes and what do they say that you allege is untrustworthy?
> Hi Alan Baker,
>

> Adults need to be able to...

...back up the things they claim?

I agree.

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 15:50:52 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> What things have they said that cannot be trusted?
>
> Show this with a quote and a source for that quote.

Hi Alan Baker,

Adults are supposed to be able to comprehend basic facts
o And then, adults are supposed to be able to form logical assessments

Adults can assess the facts which clearly support the logical assessment:
o Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes

FACT:
o Apple release notes refer to a *single* memory corruption issue
o Which turns out to be a devastatingly huge set of flaws
o Spanning _years_ and multiple iOS releases (all insufficiently tested)
o Encompassing 14 different exploits (many of them sophomoric)
o Involving all levels of the clearly untested iOS diarrhea of releases

LOGICAL ASSESSMENT:
o And yet, Apple essentially lies, calling it a mere single memory issue.

Worse - these 14 issues were easily found if Apple actually did QA testing
o Which clearly, Apple did not sufficiently perform on the iOS diarrhea

Google said it best when Google said that these bugs were _easy_ to find.
o And yet, as always, Apple didn't sufficiently test its iOS diarrhea

Given we've already proven what Apple "said" in its release notes:
o About the security content of iOS 12.1.4
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520>

As adults, let's look at how the media interpreted those release notes.
o Shall we?

Let's start with Forbes on the release date of Feb 7, 2019, 01:21pm
o Apple Releases iOS 12.1.4: Details About The Important Update You Should Know
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2019/02/07/ios-12-1-4-features/#5fd5af596c8a>

Just _look_ at the first line of that aricle if you want an understatement:
"Today Apple has released iOS 12.1.4, which is a minor point update that
does not contain any major features."

Then, _look_ at the second line, for yet another astounding understatement!
"However, iOS 12.1.4 fixes what is considered one of the worst bugs in
iOS history."

Adults will note that this "worst bug" in iOS history is NOT the
devastatingly huge bugs that we're talking about in this thread.

Nope. That's ANOTHER set of bugs, which pale in comparison to this set of
bugs, which is, you have to admit, kind of funny if it wasn't so sad.

"The bug enabled users to access the audio and video of any iPhone
running iOS 12.1 or later without being detected."

While you apologists don't own the adult mindset to appreciate these facts
a. The fact is that Apple hugely downplayed the devastatingly huge impact
of these bugs - where - what's funny - is that Apple _already_ had
devastatingly huge iOS bugs ALREADY in that same release!

Adults can assess the facts which clearly support the logical assessment:
o Don't ever trust anything that Apple says in their release notes

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Mon, 02 Sep 2019 19:11:03 -0400, nospam wrote:

> adults don't snip to alter context.

Hi nospam,

Apologists always prove to own a fifth-grade mentality given the fact
o In this thread alone, you altered my quoted content multiple times

And then, you apologists have the fifth-grade audacity to then complain
o That I quoted literally EXACTLY what you said, in my response

[Arlen G. Holder]

On Mon, 02 Sep 2019 15:46:19 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Thanks for catching that faux pas, where my 'facts' are always easily refuted
>
> ftfy

Hi nospam,

I study you Apple Apologists since you're not like normal people.
o You don't have _any_ adult response to facts.

I've ascertained that you Apple Apologists are a certain type of person
o Who innately believes in the "messaging" Apple brilliantly promotes
o But who also is unable to exercise _independent_ thought processes

That's really the key.
o You gravitate, like flat earthers, to wholly imaginary belief systems
o Without ever doublechecking what Apple tells you

That's what's completely different about you apologists.
o It's why you're shocked facts instantly DESTROY your imaginary beliefs

An example of facts which destroy your imaginary beliefs are what the media
said about the devastatingly huge security holes addressed in iOS 12.1.4
(based on what Apple "told" them).

Notice Apple never admits to their utter lack of security until and unless
the shit hits the fan, which, of course, it did when a mere child found the
huge facetime bugs in iOS (proving iOS was never sufficiently tested).

What Apple "told" the media, clearly, was that the release was mainly about
fixing those facetime bugs which a child found for them - but - in reality
- what Apple _did_ in the release - was fix the devastatingly huge
pervasive exploits which had been in iOS for _years) at every level of the
operating system, from iOS 10 to iOS 12.

Since I'm an adult, I do two things you apologists never seem to do:
a. I comprehend facts, and,
b. I form logical reasonable assessments of those facts

Which means that while NOTHING you apologists say can you ever back up,
EVERYTHING I say is backed up with cites, since facts bolster my beliefs.

9to5Mac
o Group FaceTime server restored following iOS 12.1.4 release, feature disabled on older versions
<https://9to5mac.com/2019/02/07/group-facetime-server-restored-following-ios-12-1-4-release-feature-disabled-on-older-versions/>

OSXDaily
o iOS 12.1.4 Update Available for iPhone & iPad, Download Now to Get Group FaceTime Back
<http://osxdaily.com/2019/02/07/ios-12-1-4-update-download-ipsw/>

Forbes

o Apple Releases iOS 12.1.4: Details About The Important Update You Should Know

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2019/02/07/ios-12-1-4-features/#21a561d026f8>

MacRumors
o iOS 12.1.4 ¯ Bug Fixes, Changes, and Improvements
<https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-1-4-%E2%80%95-bug-fixes-changes-and-improvements.2168866/>

iDropNews
o Apple Officially Releases iOS 12.1.4 with Fix for Group FaceTime Spy Bug
<https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-officially-releases-ios-12-1-4-with-fix-for-group-facetime-spy-bug/55973/>

Notice in EVERY case above, Apple (rather brilliantly) fooled the media.
o They only thought the exploits were few & big...due to lack of testing
o Never knowing the exploits where many & huge ... due to lack of testing

In summary, what you apologists lack, most adults should already have:
a. The ability to comprehend basic facts, and,
b. The ability to assess those basic facts.

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-09-03 9:09 a.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Sep 2019 15:46:19 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>>> Thanks for catching that faux pas, where my 'facts' are always easily refuted
>> ftfy
> Hi nospam,
>

> I...

...demonstrate every day what you're full of shit?

Yes. You do.