What do you know about Carplay?

[Robert Peirce]

I may be able to add this to a car I am buying but I know nothing about
it except that it can allow me to select iPhone apps from the car
display screen. That hardly seems like enough.

[Lewis]

While that is true, it is only one thing that it does. basically, what
Carplay does is control your car's display from your phone and integrate
your phone's features into your car's "infotainment" system.

I've used in it in rental cars, and like most things involving cars, how
well it works is still too dependent on the competence of the car
manufacturer, but having your own map apps, your own podcast, your onw
contacts, your own music, and being able to use your car's on-steering-
wheel controls to make and answer calls, have text messages
read to you, send messages, with music are all quite useful.

I've never heard anyone with Carplay as an option say they didn't use it
or didn't like it, but like I said, some cars really try to fuck things
up. Once it's setup though, whenever your phone is connected o your car,
Carplay is activated, so the pain is at the setup stage. In most cars
I've seen when you fist plug in you get "Do you want to use Carplay with
this phone" and you tap "yes" and you are done.

--
what is magic actually for?
For fixing things, dummy.

[Alan Browne]

I bought a Honda Accord in 2019 and it comes with CarPlay integration in
the centre console. The centre console is controlled by the Honda
system in the console and they integrate Apple Play.

The apps that will play there are limited by Apple to very specific apps:

https://www.apple.com/ca/ios/carplay/ (Canada page).
In different countries this list is different for some things.

IMO the most useful thing is navigation.

I typically use Apple Maps for local use and Google Maps for longer
trips where planning stops is more important. In both cases the
planning can take place on my desktop computer and sent to my phone. In
the car, voice commands can be used, but recognizing some names (esp. in
French) is not guaranteed at all.

I'd use Waze more but I dislike its visual presentation.

For music I use voice commands. Going through the menus via the car
console is tedious and would actually be dangerous unless parked. This
doesn't work well if trying to get to a particular album of classical
music but for rock/jazz is usually spot on. To advance a track or scan
forward the steering wheel controls are used.

Phone is integrated too, of course, and uses the car's audio system.
The Honda system itself integrates the phone and CarPlay integrates the
phone. It's still not clear to me if that's two paths to the phone or
whether CarPlay and Honda's phone implementation are coordinated. In
any event it doesn't matter - it works well either way. Siri sometimes
won't understand who it is I want to call.

Messages is by voice - (I believe one can select destinee via the
console but I never do that while driving) so Siri sometimes doesn't
recognize a name that I want to send messages too. I don't do that
often enough that it's a big deal and if it's urgent I can phone or pull
off the road to do so.

That's what I typically use. There's more available such as podcasts
and so on. It's a pretty short list.

Depending on car model, the above is wireless or not. In my case it's
wired which is fine. I've installed a short Apple USB lightning cable
from under the armrest and it's the perfect length to get to the
cupholder position. No tangles that would occur with a longer cord.

I suspect the coming years will see ever better integration of
smartphones and cars. The upcoming iOS will have the ability to unlock
and start some cars. Indeed you'll be able to temporarily "credential"
another person to use your car using his iPhone - no keys needed. And
set limits on what he/she can do with it (speed, time limits, perhaps
geofencing, etc.) while knowing where the car is at all times. "Yes,
son, you can take the Bimmer on your date - on my terms!".

If your car has a HUD then some CarPlay info can be displayed on it -
I'm not sure. I seem to recall reading where some cars support Apple
CarPlay controlling some info on the primary driver's display.

I keep the iPhone in a coffee cup holder type mount and on it I display
"hidden" engine parameters such as actual coolant temperatures,
wastegate position and manifold pressure. (via Bluetooth from an OBD-II
reader (BluDriver)) - it can record a mountain of data too.

I'd like it if there were more backward integration: data from the car
sent to the iPhone for recording. Mileage, realtime speed and fuel
consumption data, temperatures (OAT, coolant) all position tagged. If
all this (and much more could be recorded in CSV files, it would be
nifty for my nerd side.

Closing note: I've always despised automobile manufacturer's map
displays. They're always very short of the mark in their designs, very
expensive, expensive for updates and so on. The marriage of nice
displays (which are Android based for the most part) and allowing one to
choose his info/nav system of choice is a beautiful hybrid.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

[Alan Browne]

When I bought my car and drove it out of the "presentation room", I put
in park, connected the phone and was using Maps before I got off of the
dealer lot w/o any specific actions needed. That was a wired setup.

Later, to wirelessly connect the iPhone to the Honda phone controller,
there was a menu "approval" needed once only.

[Zaidy036]

Look at <
https://www.smallbiztechnology.com/archive/2016/12/is-your-data-secure-when-you-rent-cars.html/#.X1z-24spCUk>
for a discussion of security of your data when used on car rentals

[Your Name]

Carplay may or may not be any use to you, but getting it on a new car
as an option *might* slightly increase the resale value of the car ...
assuming of course that by the time you come to sell the car that
version of Carplay is still compatible with then-new devices (I don't
know if it's possible to update the in-car end of the software, but it
is just a computer of sorts, so at some point it will reach end-of-life
as far as Apple updates are concerned).

[Lewis]

One of the advantages of CarPlay is that your data never foes to the
car.



--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but, the Rockettes? I mean, it's mostly girls,
isn't it?"

[Lewis]

In message <Vs57H.332904$RF4....@fx43.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2020-09-12 10:10, Robert Peirce wrote:
>> I may be able to add this to a car I am buying but I know nothing about
>> it except that it can allow me to select iPhone apps from the car
>> display screen.  That hardly seems like enough.

> I bought a Honda Accord in 2019 and it comes with CarPlay integration in
> the centre console. The centre console is controlled by the Honda
> system in the console and they integrate Apple Play.

> The apps that will play there are limited by Apple to very specific apps:

No, anyone can write a CarPlay app. The reason that waze wasn't on
CarPlay was because Google didn't do it. There are third party apps that
work in CarPlay just fine.

> IMO the most useful thing is navigation.

Depends. I mostly know where I am and where I am going and how to get
there, so I rarely use navigation.

--
I WILL STOP TALKING ABOUT THE TWELVE INCH PIANIST Bart chalkboard Ep. 3F07

[Alan Browne]

On 2020-09-12 22:38, Lewis wrote:
> In message <Vs57H.332904$RF4....@fx43.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2020-09-12 10:10, Robert Peirce wrote:
>>> I may be able to add this to a car I am buying but I know nothing about
>>> it except that it can allow me to select iPhone apps from the car
>>> display screen.  That hardly seems like enough.
>
>> I bought a Honda Accord in 2019 and it comes with CarPlay integration in
>> the centre console. The centre console is controlled by the Honda
>> system in the console and they integrate Apple Play.
>
>> The apps that will play there are limited by Apple to very specific apps:
>
> No, anyone can write a CarPlay app. The reason that waze wasn't on
> CarPlay was because Google didn't do it. There are third party apps that
> work in CarPlay just fine.

I never said there were no 3rd party apps. What apps will play on
CarPlay are limited by Apple and I provided a link referring to them
(for Canada) which includes 3rd party apps.

For the US: https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/

I never said Waze wasn't on CarPlay. Just that I don't like it. Google
acquired Waze in 2013. CarPlay rolled out in 2014.

Google Maps started on CarPlay in the early fall of 2018 (from what I
can gather via search) and Waze at (about?) the same time.

>> IMO the most useful thing is navigation.
>
> Depends. I mostly know where I am and where I am going and how to get
> there, so I rarely use navigation.

A key advantage even for repeat trips (work) is that if there is a
traffic jam you'll not only be alerted to it, but if there is a faster
alternate route it will be offered. This has helped me a half dozen
times over the past year.

[Lewis]

In message <GBr7H.104193$cc1....@fx29.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2020-09-12 22:38, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <Vs57H.332904$RF4....@fx43.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2020-09-12 10:10, Robert Peirce wrote:
>>>> I may be able to add this to a car I am buying but I know nothing about
>>>> it except that it can allow me to select iPhone apps from the car
>>>> display screen.  That hardly seems like enough.
>>
>>> I bought a Honda Accord in 2019 and it comes with CarPlay integration in
>>> the centre console. The centre console is controlled by the Honda
>>> system in the console and they integrate Apple Play.
>>
>>> The apps that will play there are limited by Apple to very specific apps:
>>
>> No, anyone can write a CarPlay app. The reason that waze wasn't on
>> CarPlay was because Google didn't do it. There are third party apps that
>> work in CarPlay just fine.

> I never said there were no 3rd party apps. What apps will play on
> CarPlay are limited by Apple and I provided a link referring to them
> (for Canada) which includes 3rd party apps.

> For the US: https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/

The page appears to simply be a list of apps, I see nothing about
requirements.

The requirements are that you get an entitlement from Apple to add to
your app (this requires only applying for it), and there is a different
review process because there are many things your app cannot do in
CarPlay mode (play video, for example). They are not, as you claimed
"limited by Apple to very specific apps".

> I never said Waze wasn't on CarPlay. Just that I don't like it. Google
> acquired Waze in 2013. CarPlay rolled out in 2014.

I was thinking of Google Maps, Google's other routing and mapping
program, which was added to CarPlay last month.

> A key advantage even for repeat trips (work) is that if there is a
> traffic jam you'll not only be alerted to it, but if there is a faster
> alternate route it will be offered. This has helped me a half dozen
> times over the past year.

I mostly do not drive during rush hour, so traffic times are rarely an
issue. In the last 6 months, much less traffic in general.

--
The Earth is bipolar

[Alan Browne]

Of course they are - even according to what you just wrote above! They
are limited to the apps that Apple approve. Apple likely don't want
distracting apps to get in there - such as the safety issue you mention
above.

>
>> I never said Waze wasn't on CarPlay. Just that I don't like it. Google
>> acquired Waze in 2013. CarPlay rolled out in 2014.
>
> I was thinking of Google Maps, Google's other routing and mapping
> program, which was added to CarPlay last month.

What? I've been using Google Maps (and Waze) on CarPlay since April
2019. Per websearch, it's been available since about Sept. 2018.
Indeed I wrote about it here last year.

>
>> A key advantage even for repeat trips (work) is that if there is a
>> traffic jam you'll not only be alerted to it, but if there is a faster
>> alternate route it will be offered. This has helped me a half dozen
>> times over the past year.
>
> I mostly do not drive during rush hour, so traffic times are rarely an
> issue. In the last 6 months, much less traffic in general.

Jams occur for other reasons such as accidents. IAC, as always your
conditions apply to you.

[Lewis]

All Apps on iOS are "limited" to apps Apple approves. That is a long way
from "limited by Apple to very specific apps". Apple Watch apps are also
subject to different reviews, and like CarPlay most app developers do not
bother with Apple Watch apps. But like CarPlay, this is not "limited by
Apple to a very specific apps."

>>> I never said Waze wasn't on CarPlay. Just that I don't like it. Google
>>> acquired Waze in 2013. CarPlay rolled out in 2014.
>>
>> I was thinking of Google Maps, Google's other routing and mapping
>> program, which was added to CarPlay last month.

> What? I've been using Google Maps (and Waze) on CarPlay since April
> 2019. Per websearch, it's been available since about Sept. 2018.
> Indeed I wrote about it here last year.

#v+
Published Aug 10, 2020
<https://blog.google/products/maps/new-ways-get-around-google-maps-ios/>
Google Maps is now compatible with CarPlay Dashboard on all CarPlay
supported vehicles globally. The Google Maps app for the Apple Watch
starts rolling out worldwide in the coming weeks.

Update: Google Maps on CarPlay Dashboard starts rolling out this week
with the next iOS update. .
#v-

(There are many other reports from last month on this, so take it up with
them.)

Google Maps was definitely not available last summer when I was in
Canada.

--
I'm a trophy husband.
That seems unlikely.
I didn't say it was a first place trophy.

[Alan Browne]

Apple only allow those apps approved for CarPlay to be used. That's
limiting by Apple. Period. Stop skating.

>
>>>> I never said Waze wasn't on CarPlay. Just that I don't like it. Google
>>>> acquired Waze in 2013. CarPlay rolled out in 2014.
>>>
>>> I was thinking of Google Maps, Google's other routing and mapping
>>> program, which was added to CarPlay last month.
>
>> What? I've been using Google Maps (and Waze) on CarPlay since April
>> 2019. Per websearch, it's been available since about Sept. 2018.
>> Indeed I wrote about it here last year.
>
> #v+
> Published Aug 10, 2020
> <https://blog.google/products/maps/new-ways-get-around-google-maps-ios/>
> Google Maps is now compatible with CarPlay Dashboard on all CarPlay
> supported vehicles globally. The Google Maps app for the Apple Watch
> starts rolling out worldwide in the coming weeks.
>
> Update: Google Maps on CarPlay Dashboard starts rolling out this week
> with the next iOS update. .

That's referring to the "dashboard" feature where some apps display side
by side with others. For example when changing songs while also using a
map. But the app maker had to make changes to make it compatible with
that new feature.

> #v-
>
> (There are many other reports from last month on this, so take it up with
> them.)
>
> Google Maps was definitely not available last summer when I was in
> Canada.

Definitely was. Absolutely. Used it a lot in Car Play in both Canada
and the US last summer. As I said above I posted here about it as well.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/18/how-to-replace-apple-maps-with-google-maps-on-carplay/
Sept 2018.

[Lewis]

Apple only allow those apps approved for iOS to be used. That's
limiting by Apple.

Apple only allow those apps approved for iPadOS to be used. That's
limiting by Apple.

Apple only allow those apps approved for watchOS to be used. That's
limiting by Apple.

Your statement is meaningless and implies that CarPlay apps are somehow
special and harder to get approved. This is not true.

>> Google Maps was definitely not available last summer when I was in
>> Canada.

> Definitely was.

Not.

> Absolutely. Used it a lot in Car Play in both Canada

Nope, did not come up at all in Canada last summer. Waze and Apple Maps
did, Google Maps did not.

> https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/18/how-to-replace-apple-maps-with-google-maps-on-carplay/
> Sept 2018.

We were in Canada in, IIRC, July. Absolutely, positively, no Google Maps on CarPlay.

--
And sometimes there's a short cut. A door or a gate. Some standing
stones. A tree cleft by lightning, a filing cabinet. Maybe just a
spot on some moorland somewhere... A place where THERE is very
nearly HERE... If some people knew where such a spot was, if they
had experience of what happens when here and there become
entangled, then they might - if they knew how - mark such a spot
with certain stones. In the hope that enough daft buggers would
take it as a warning and keep away. (Lords and Ladies)

[Alan Browne]

Yes - very much so. Because of safety issues.

>
>>> Google Maps was definitely not available last summer when I was in
>>> Canada.
>
>> Definitely was.
>
> Not.
>
>> Absolutely. Used it a lot in Car Play in both Canada
>
> Nope, did not come up at all in Canada last summer. Waze and Apple Maps
> did, Google Maps did not.
>
>> https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/18/how-to-replace-apple-maps-with-google-maps-on-carplay/
>> Sept 2018.
>
> We were in Canada in, IIRC, July. Absolutely, positively, no Google Maps on CarPlay.
>

So you never found it - doesn't mean it wasn't there.

You've only seen CarPlay in rental cars on occasion. Whereas I've owned
this car since late April 2019. Always had Google Maps as well as Apple
Maps and Waze. And again: I wrote about it in detail last summer
(August). Google Maps has been on CarPlay since about Sept. 2018 (Link
above).

[Lewis]

No, you are just flat out wrong in your description. ANYONE can write a
CarPlay app in exactly the same sense that anyone can write a watchOS
app. There is no magic to it at all.

Are there things you cannot do in CarPlay and APIs that are not there
that would be there on, say, an iPad> Yes, of course, Exactly like on
watchOS.

But no, your characterization is false and misleading.

>>>> Google Maps was definitely not available last summer when I was in
>>>> Canada.
>>
>>> Definitely was.
>>
>> Not.
>>
>>> Absolutely. Used it a lot in Car Play in both Canada
>>
>> Nope, did not come up at all in Canada last summer. Waze and Apple Maps
>> did, Google Maps did not.
>>
>>> https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/18/how-to-replace-apple-maps-with-google-maps-on-carplay/
>>> Sept 2018.
>>
>> We were in Canada in, IIRC, July. Absolutely, positively, no Google Maps on CarPlay.
>>
> So you never found it - doesn't mean it wasn't there.

"never found it" because it was not there. I had Google Maps and Waze
and Apple Maps on my phone. The latter two showed up fine in CarPlay,
the former did not. Simple as that.

Why? No idea. Nor do I care. But the fact was, it was not there.

--
Everything that was magical was just a way of describing the world in
words it couldn't ignore.

[Alan Browne]

Not at all.

>
>>>>> Google Maps was definitely not available last summer when I was in
>>>>> Canada.
>>>
>>>> Definitely was.
>>>
>>> Not.
>>>
>>>> Absolutely. Used it a lot in Car Play in both Canada
>>>
>>> Nope, did not come up at all in Canada last summer. Waze and Apple Maps
>>> did, Google Maps did not.
>>>
>>>> https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/18/how-to-replace-apple-maps-with-google-maps-on-carplay/
>>>> Sept 2018.
>>>
>>> We were in Canada in, IIRC, July. Absolutely, positively, no Google Maps on CarPlay.
>>>
>> So you never found it - doesn't mean it wasn't there.
>
> "never found it" because it was not there. I had Google Maps and Waze
> and Apple Maps on my phone. The latter two showed up fine in CarPlay,
> the former did not. Simple as that.
>
> Why? No idea. Nor do I care. But the fact was, it was not there.

Then you didn't look very hard. They've been available since Sept. 2018.

[Lewis]

Entirely. It is no different than writing an AppleWatch app.

>>>>>> Google Maps was definitely not available last summer when I was in
>>>>>> Canada.
>>>>
>>>>> Definitely was.
>>>>
>>>> Not.
>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely. Used it a lot in Car Play in both Canada
>>>>
>>>> Nope, did not come up at all in Canada last summer. Waze and Apple Maps
>>>> did, Google Maps did not.
>>>>
>>>>> https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/18/how-to-replace-apple-maps-with-google-maps-on-carplay/
>>>>> Sept 2018.
>>>>
>>>> We were in Canada in, IIRC, July. Absolutely, positively, no Google Maps on CarPlay.
>>>>
>>> So you never found it - doesn't mean it wasn't there.
>>
>> "never found it" because it was not there. I had Google Maps and Waze
>> and Apple Maps on my phone. The latter two showed up fine in CarPlay,
>> the former did not. Simple as that.
>>
>> Why? No idea. Nor do I care. But the fact was, it was not there.

> Then you didn't look very hard. They've been available since Sept. 2018.

You can keep repeating this bullshit, but it will not change the facts.


--
The person on the other side was a young woman. Very obviously a
young woman. There was no possible way that she could have been
mistaken for a young man in any language, especially Braille.

[Alan Browne]

Very different. Because: liability for accidents.

>
>>>>>>> Google Maps was definitely not available last summer when I was in
>>>>>>> Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Definitely was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolutely. Used it a lot in Car Play in both Canada
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, did not come up at all in Canada last summer. Waze and Apple Maps
>>>>> did, Google Maps did not.
>>>>>

>>>>>> https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/18/how-to-replace-apple-maps-with-google-maps-on-carplay/ [1] <---

>>>>>> Sept 2018.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were in Canada in, IIRC, July. Absolutely, positively, no Google Maps on CarPlay.
>>>>>
>>>> So you never found it - doesn't mean it wasn't there.
>>>
>>> "never found it" because it was not there. I had Google Maps and Waze
>>> and Apple Maps on my phone. The latter two showed up fine in CarPlay,
>>> the former did not. Simple as that.
>>>
>>> Why? No idea. Nor do I care. But the fact was, it was not there.
>
>> Then you didn't look very hard. They've been available since Sept. 2018.
>
> You can keep repeating this bullshit, but it will not change the facts.

The "fact" is that it was available then. I provided a link ([1]
Above.) to prove it. And of course (again) I described the experience
here last summer.

Here's yet another link (Sept. 2018).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=2nyG2JYRLhU

or this:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/28/17913786/google-maps-waze-apple-carplay-iphone-ios-12-review

or
https://www.blog.google/products/maps/5-ways-use-google-maps-apple-carplay/
2018

and (2019, March)
https://osxdaily.com/2019/03/16/use-google-maps-carplay/

Claiming it wasn't there is the bullshit. Total as only you can do.

Grow up.

[Lewis]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Unlike you I have actual
experience with a CarPlay app (I was not the developer, but I was
involved in the process).

--
Keep Virginia clean...throw your trash into Maryland.

[Alan Browne]

Sure.

So. Was it available in Sept. 2018 or not. Since you were so involved
and all.

[Alan Browne]

"it" being Google Car Play, of course.

[Lewis]

You seem to be confused.

Google Maps was not available in CarPlay on the rental car, as I have
previously stated. You can stamp your feet and hold your breath all you
want, but it was not there.

September 2018 has nothing to do with anything.

--
Every memory I've shoved to a dark corner of my mind because being self-aware
and happy don't always mix.

[Alan Browne]

Looks like you don't know who is confused. See below.

>
> Google Maps was not available in CarPlay on the rental car, as I have
> previously stated. You can stamp your feet and hold your breath all you
> want, but it was not there.

The app is not "in the rental car". The app is on your phone. It plays
"through" the car display (a "smart terminal"). The car display (which
is in Android in almost all cases) has an Apple CarPlay compliant API to
display data and use the car's inputs (switches, touchscreen and so on).
In short: The app is on the phone.

So much for Lewis' "I was involved in the process".

So - stamp your feet away Lewis. Hold your breath. Better, sit down
and take a deep one. I think you need it.

[Lewis]

Yes, and it SHOULD show up on the car's Carplay. And it did not. Try to
keep up.

I'm done explaining this to you, feel free to go on with your uninformed
and ignorant bullshit.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"

"I think so, Brain, but if we have nothing to fear but fear itself,
why does Eleanor Roosevelt wear that spooky mask?"

[Alan Browne]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, anyone can write a 3CarPlay app. The reason that waze wasn't on

Your original premise was: "I was thinking of Google Maps, Google's

other routing and mapping program, which was added to CarPlay last month."

- and you've been slipping into your pit ever since that statement.

Talk about bullshit!

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 10:10:03 -0400, Robert Peirce wrote:

> I may be able to add this to a car I am buying but I know nothing about
> it except that it can allow me to select iPhone apps from the car
> display screen. That hardly seems like enough.

See also:
o The Latest iPhone Update Is Causing New Problems on CarPlay
<https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-latest-iphone-update-is-causing-new-problems-on-carplay-148902.html>

Verbatim, as apologists brazenly deny any facts about Apple that they
simply _hate_ about Apple products (where they seem to hate a lot!).

"iOS 14 also comes with a series of new problems for CarPlay,
as some are now complaining that the sound is corrupted after
installing the latest iPhone update.

More specifically, CarPlay users claim that whenever they try to
listen to music, the audio is either distorted from the very beginning,
or something happens at random times and breaks down the quality.

Resetting the system and or the iPhone sometimes works, only that
expected behavior is restored only temporarily.

The culprit appears to be iOS 14, as downgrading to iOS 13 seems to
bring things back to normal on the affected head units and iPhones."
--
Normal conversations can occur on an Apple ng but only sans apologists.