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Is there a way to get iOS to meaningfully name pictures sensibly?
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Vinny Perado
Dec 23, 2014, 10:12:58 PM12/23/14
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It's bad enough that my iPad pictures are in a huge directory
variously named 100APPLE, 101APPLE, 102APPLE, 103APPLE, 104APPLE, etc.
http://i57.tinypic.com/do87rc.png
But, even worse, the pictures themselves are sequentially named, eg
IMG_1000.JPG, IMG_1001.JPG, IMG_1002.JPG etc, instead of by time
and date (or some other meaningful criteria, such as geolocation).
http://i62.tinypic.com/2wdqdrq.png
My simple question is whether there is an easy way to get the
default iPad camera (iOS 7.x) to meaningfully name the camera
directories and pictures appropriately?
variously named 100APPLE, 101APPLE, 102APPLE, 103APPLE, 104APPLE, etc.
http://i57.tinypic.com/do87rc.png
But, even worse, the pictures themselves are sequentially named, eg
IMG_1000.JPG, IMG_1001.JPG, IMG_1002.JPG etc, instead of by time
and date (or some other meaningful criteria, such as geolocation).
http://i62.tinypic.com/2wdqdrq.png
My simple question is whether there is an easy way to get the
default iPad camera (iOS 7.x) to meaningfully name the camera
directories and pictures appropriately?
Savageduck
Dec 23, 2014, 10:28:42 PM12/23/14
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Regards,
Savageduck
Savageduck
Dec 23, 2014, 10:36:04 PM12/23/14
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On 2014-12-24 03:12:57 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> It's bad enough that my iPad pictures are in a huge directory
> variously named 100APPLE, 101APPLE, 102APPLE, 103APPLE, 104APPLE, etc.
> http://i57.tinypic.com/do87rc.png
Why are you even bothering to look at those directories? You will just
> variously named 100APPLE, 101APPLE, 102APPLE, 103APPLE, 104APPLE, etc.
> http://i57.tinypic.com/do87rc.png
frustrate yourself. The iPad is not a Linux desktop device. You should
just deal with the iOS paradigm.
> But, even worse, the pictures themselves are sequentially named, eg
> IMG_1000.JPG, IMG_1001.JPG, IMG_1002.JPG etc, instead of by time
> and date (or some other meaningful criteria, such as geolocation).
> http://i62.tinypic.com/2wdqdrq.png
that the photos are sorted by location (geolocation) and capture date.
> My simple question is whether there is an easy way to get the
> default iPad camera (iOS 7.x) to meaningfully name the camera
> directories and pictures appropriately?
--
Regards,
Savageduck
nospam
Dec 23, 2014, 10:40:19 PM12/23/14
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In article <m7davp$cqb$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
> But, even worse, the pictures themselves are sequentially named, eg
> IMG_1000.JPG, IMG_1001.JPG, IMG_1002.JPG etc, instead of by time
> and date (or some other meaningful criteria, such as geolocation).
> http://i62.tinypic.com/2wdqdrq.png
just like any other digital camera.
> My simple question is whether there is an easy way to get the
> default iPad camera (iOS 7.x) to meaningfully name the camera
> directories and pictures appropriately?
no, nor is that needed.
the creation date of the image tells you when it was taken, although
it's preferable to use the exif data.
use a photo management app like lightroom to manage your photos. you
can tag them and organize them in all sorts of ways.
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> It's bad enough that my iPad pictures are in a huge directory
> variously named 100APPLE, 101APPLE, 102APPLE, 103APPLE, 104APPLE, etc.
> http://i57.tinypic.com/do87rc.png
just like any other digital camera.
> It's bad enough that my iPad pictures are in a huge directory
> variously named 100APPLE, 101APPLE, 102APPLE, 103APPLE, 104APPLE, etc.
> http://i57.tinypic.com/do87rc.png
> But, even worse, the pictures themselves are sequentially named, eg
> IMG_1000.JPG, IMG_1001.JPG, IMG_1002.JPG etc, instead of by time
> and date (or some other meaningful criteria, such as geolocation).
> http://i62.tinypic.com/2wdqdrq.png
> My simple question is whether there is an easy way to get the
> default iPad camera (iOS 7.x) to meaningfully name the camera
> directories and pictures appropriately?
the creation date of the image tells you when it was taken, although
it's preferable to use the exif data.
use a photo management app like lightroom to manage your photos. you
can tag them and organize them in all sorts of ways.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 10:03:13 AM12/24/14
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Silly Linux heads.
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Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 10:16:21 AM12/24/14
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:36:03 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
> Why are you even bothering to look at those directories? You will just
> frustrate yourself. The iPad is not a Linux desktop device. You should
> just deal with the iOS paradigm.
I don't _look_ at the directories.
> Why are you even bothering to look at those directories? You will just
> frustrate yourself. The iPad is not a Linux desktop device. You should
> just deal with the iOS paradigm.
I copy them from the iOS device over to my Centos desktop.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 10:17:33 AM12/24/14
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 22:40:15 -0500, nospam wrote:
> just like any other digital camera.
Not Android. Not Canon. Not Nikon.
> just like any other digital camera.
All have settings to name the pictures sensibly.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 10:20:23 AM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:03:12 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Silly Linux heads.
Wine isn't the answer either.
> Silly Linux heads.
Wine isn't the answer either.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 10:29:48 AM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
Those of us who do use our iOS devices as they were designed don't have
problems with image filenames. Ask yourself why that is.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 10:30:46 AM12/24/14
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["Followup-To:" header set to misc.phone.mobile.iphone.]
On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 10:43:05 AM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 22:40:15 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> just like any other digital camera.
>
> Not Android.
Android doesn't make digital cameras.
>
>> just like any other digital camera.
>
> Not Android.
> Not Canon. Not Nikon.
Nonsense. I have owned Canon, Olympus, and Nikon digital cameras; and
all of them name images sequentially just the same way.
> All have settings to name the pictures sensibly.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 10:58:48 AM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:30:44 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> I don't _look_ at the directories.
>> I copy them from the iOS device over to my Centos desktop.
>
> Which requires you to look at them. : )
One you copy them over, iOS photos and videos are the all
>> I don't _look_ at the directories.
>> I copy them from the iOS device over to my Centos desktop.
>
> Which requires you to look at them. : )
almost meaninglessly named files, unlike what my camera and
Android tablet does, which is name files meaningfully, if
the settings are set to such.
The question is just how to name directories & files
meaningfully coming off of iOS.
If there's a post-processing way to do it, that would work
also. I just want meaningfully named files & directories,
which only iOS can't do out of the box, apparently.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 11:02:12 AM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:43:03 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
My goal isn't to argue semantics.
> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
My Android tablet snaps digital pictures and gives the
files meaningful names such that, when I copy them over
to the desktop, they still have meaningful names.
I only want meaningful names coming from iOS.
If there is a way to do it, the goal is to find out how.
My first choice is to get iOS to do the right thing,
out of the box. Hence the question.
My second choice will be post processing of the files
and directories based on exif data.
But I prefer to just hit the switch to make iOS name files
meaningfully in the first place (which is what everything
else does that snaps a digital picture).
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 11:22:11 AM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
when you use the device as designed; therefore iOS will not allow you to
change the format since it is unneeded. When I connect my iOS device to
my computer, my photos are transferred into iPhoto seamlessly, where
file names simply don't matter. If you insist on using the device in a
way it was not designed to be used, you apparently purchased the wrong
device and your faulty purchasing decision is now the source of your
problem. While you knuckle down to write a script to do your post
processing, the rest of us are already enjoying our photos. You're late
to the party. : )
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 11:22:45 AM12/24/14
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Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 11:26:35 AM12/24/14
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In article <m7eo24$d6l$2...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> My Android tablet snaps digital pictures and gives the
> files meaningful names such that, when I copy them over
> to the desktop, they still have meaningful names.
What do you consider a meaningful name?
> My Android tablet snaps digital pictures and gives the
> files meaningful names such that, when I copy them over
> to the desktop, they still have meaningful names.
Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 11:30:55 AM12/24/14
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As I said above, stop thinking Linux.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
nospam
Dec 24, 2014, 11:47:53 AM12/24/14
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In article <m7enrn$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
is it magically going to know it's a waterfall and then name it
"waterfall1.jpg" ? is it going to know it's your kid's soccer game and
name it "winning goal.jpg" ??
> The question is just how to name directories & files
> meaningfully coming off of iOS.
you don't. you use it like any other digital camera which does the same
thing, naming them sequentially.
> If there's a post-processing way to do it, that would work
> also. I just want meaningfully named files & directories,
> which only iOS can't do out of the box, apparently.
get a photo asset manager.
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> >> I don't _look_ at the directories.
> >> I copy them from the iOS device over to my Centos desktop.
> >
> > Which requires you to look at them. : )
>
> One you copy them over, iOS photos and videos are the all
> almost meaninglessly named files, unlike what my camera and
> Android tablet does, which is name files meaningfully, if
> the settings are set to such.
what setting is that?
> >> I don't _look_ at the directories.
> >> I copy them from the iOS device over to my Centos desktop.
> >
> > Which requires you to look at them. : )
>
> One you copy them over, iOS photos and videos are the all
> almost meaninglessly named files, unlike what my camera and
> Android tablet does, which is name files meaningfully, if
> the settings are set to such.
is it magically going to know it's a waterfall and then name it
"waterfall1.jpg" ? is it going to know it's your kid's soccer game and
name it "winning goal.jpg" ??
> The question is just how to name directories & files
> meaningfully coming off of iOS.
thing, naming them sequentially.
> If there's a post-processing way to do it, that would work
> also. I just want meaningfully named files & directories,
> which only iOS can't do out of the box, apparently.
nospam
Dec 24, 2014, 11:47:55 AM12/24/14
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In article <m7eled$8p2$2...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
nikon uses dsc_ or dscn for a prefix, depending on camera, so an image
would be dsc_1234.nef, for example.
at best, you can change the prefix, but that's about it.
> All have settings to name the pictures sensibly.
no they don't, and the names make absolutely no difference anyway.
what matters is the content of the image.
photo managers can tag images based on content and in some cases, do it
automatically with face recognition.
they also read the metadata and can sort and organize based on capture
date/time, location if geotagged (which for an ios/android device will
be), exposure settings, etc.
the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
>
> > just like any other digital camera.
>
> Not Android. Not Canon. Not Nikon.
yes they do.
>
> > just like any other digital camera.
>
> Not Android. Not Canon. Not Nikon.
nikon uses dsc_ or dscn for a prefix, depending on camera, so an image
would be dsc_1234.nef, for example.
at best, you can change the prefix, but that's about it.
> All have settings to name the pictures sensibly.
what matters is the content of the image.
photo managers can tag images based on content and in some cases, do it
automatically with face recognition.
they also read the metadata and can sort and organize based on capture
date/time, location if geotagged (which for an ios/android device will
be), exposure settings, etc.
the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
nospam
Dec 24, 2014, 11:47:56 AM12/24/14
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In article <cg0587...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
there is at least one camera that uses android.
<http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/coolpix/s/s800c/>
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> just like any other digital camera.
> >
> > Not Android.
>
> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
android phones and tablets have cameras, as do iphones and ipads, and
> >> just like any other digital camera.
> >
> > Not Android.
>
> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
there is at least one camera that uses android.
<http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/coolpix/s/s800c/>
nospam
Dec 24, 2014, 11:47:58 AM12/24/14
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In article <m7eo24$d6l$2...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
it' isn't going to say "bob and carol.jpg" or "sunset.jpg".
how would it know? it can't.
all cameras have sequential names.
> I only want meaningful names coming from iOS.
the names make no difference whatsoever.
what matters is what's *in* the image, which is where keywording comes
in, along with the exif metadata.
trying to stuff all of that into a file name is a bad idea.
> If there is a way to do it, the goal is to find out how.
there isn't nor is there a need.
> My first choice is to get iOS to do the right thing,
> out of the box. Hence the question.
it does the right thing out of the box, the same as every other digital
camera.
> My second choice will be post processing of the files
> and directories based on exif data.
lightroom and other photo asset managers can organize based on exif
data as well as keywords based on content. other apps can do face
recognition.
the original file names don't matter.
> But I prefer to just hit the switch to make iOS name files
> meaningfully in the first place (which is what everything
> else does that snaps a digital picture).
hit the switch to buy a different product.
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> My Android tablet snaps digital pictures and gives the
> files meaningful names such that, when I copy them over
> to the desktop, they still have meaningful names.
the names are no more meaningful than ay other camera.
> My Android tablet snaps digital pictures and gives the
> files meaningful names such that, when I copy them over
> to the desktop, they still have meaningful names.
it' isn't going to say "bob and carol.jpg" or "sunset.jpg".
how would it know? it can't.
all cameras have sequential names.
> I only want meaningful names coming from iOS.
what matters is what's *in* the image, which is where keywording comes
in, along with the exif metadata.
trying to stuff all of that into a file name is a bad idea.
> If there is a way to do it, the goal is to find out how.
> My first choice is to get iOS to do the right thing,
> out of the box. Hence the question.
camera.
> My second choice will be post processing of the files
> and directories based on exif data.
data as well as keywords based on content. other apps can do face
recognition.
the original file names don't matter.
> But I prefer to just hit the switch to make iOS name files
> meaningfully in the first place (which is what everything
> else does that snaps a digital picture).
Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 11:51:16 AM12/24/14
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Canon & Nikon sequentially number image files and do not have "settings
to name the pictures sensibly".
You can certainly rename image files on import into asset management
software such as Lightroom.
Canon gives you the option of creating different folders by date. My
G11 for example will create a new folder for each month. In some way
this is similar to the iOS set up.
With Nikon in the DCIM folder you will usually find a single
100ND(camera model) folder. If the sequential numbering maxes out a new
folder, usually 101ND(camera model) is added and the sequential
numbering starts from DSC0001 again. You have the option to add a new
folder via the menu. That is useful if you want to separate shoots.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 12:12:40 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <cg0587...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> just like any other digital camera.
>> >
>> > Not Android.
>>
>> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
>
> android phones and tablets have cameras, as do iphones and ipads
I took your comment, "just like any other digital camera" to mean a
> In article <cg0587...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> just like any other digital camera.
>> >
>> > Not Android.
>>
>> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
>
> android phones and tablets have cameras, as do iphones and ipads
typical digital camera. Smart phones and tables often have cameras, but
that doesn't make them primarily "digital cameras", which is why people
don't refer to their phones and tablets as "digital cameras" when
describing them as devices. And because of their nature, they often
don't behave in the same way a typical dedicated "digital camera"
behaves. Particularly when it comes to naming image files, they may
behave quite differently than a typical "digital camera". I'm sure you
know all of this, which makes me wonder why you are now arguing about
it.
> and
> there is at least one camera that uses android.
>
><http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/coolpix/s/s800c/>
nospam
Dec 24, 2014, 12:31:47 PM12/24/14
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In article <cg0ag7...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
first of all, the statement 'android doesn't make digital cameras' is
meaningless. android is not a company, it's a product.
in any event, the point is that android devices aren't any different
than ios devices or a camera running android such as the nikon s800c or
the usual digital cameras from nikon, canon, sony, pentax, etc.
images are sequentially named conforming to the dcim spec, with the
possibility of changing the prefix used in some cases.
it's possible that an android device deviates from the spec, but that
would actually be a defect, making it a non-compliant camera.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_rule_for_Camera_File_system>
Design rule for Camera File system (DCF) is a JEITA specification
(number CP-3461) which defines a file system for digital cameras,
including the directory structure, file naming method, character set,
file format, and metadata format. It is currently the de facto
industry standard for digital still cameras. The file format of DCF
conforms to the Exif specification, but the DCF specification also
allows use of any other file formats.
...
The filesystem in a digital camera contains a DCIM (Digital Camera
Images) directory, which can contain multiple subdirectories with
names such as "123ABCDE" that consist of a unique directory number
(in the range 100Š999) and five alphanumeric characters, which may be
freely chosen and often refer to a camera maker. These directories
contain files with names such as "ABCD1234.JPG" that consist of four
alphanumeric characters (often "DSC_", "DSC0", "DSCF", "IMG_"/"MOV_",
or "P000"), followed by a number. DCF 2.0 adds support for DCF
optional files recorded in an optional color space (that is, Adobe
RGB rather than sRGB). Such files must be indicated by a leading "_"
(as in "_DSC" instead of "DSC_" or "DSC0").
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >> just like any other digital camera.
> >> >
> >> > Not Android.
> >>
> >> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
> >
> > android phones and tablets have cameras, as do iphones and ipads
>
> I took your comment, "just like any other digital camera" to mean a
> typical digital camera. Smart phones and tables often have cameras, but
> that doesn't make them primarily "digital cameras", which is why people
> don't refer to their phones and tablets as "digital cameras" when
> describing them as devices. And because of their nature, they often
> don't behave in the same way a typical dedicated "digital camera"
> behaves. Particularly when it comes to naming image files, they may
> behave quite differently than a typical "digital camera". I'm sure you
> know all of this, which makes me wonder why you are now arguing about
> it.
i'm not arguing.
> >> >> just like any other digital camera.
> >> >
> >> > Not Android.
> >>
> >> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
> >
> > android phones and tablets have cameras, as do iphones and ipads
>
> I took your comment, "just like any other digital camera" to mean a
> typical digital camera. Smart phones and tables often have cameras, but
> that doesn't make them primarily "digital cameras", which is why people
> don't refer to their phones and tablets as "digital cameras" when
> describing them as devices. And because of their nature, they often
> don't behave in the same way a typical dedicated "digital camera"
> behaves. Particularly when it comes to naming image files, they may
> behave quite differently than a typical "digital camera". I'm sure you
> know all of this, which makes me wonder why you are now arguing about
> it.
first of all, the statement 'android doesn't make digital cameras' is
meaningless. android is not a company, it's a product.
in any event, the point is that android devices aren't any different
than ios devices or a camera running android such as the nikon s800c or
the usual digital cameras from nikon, canon, sony, pentax, etc.
images are sequentially named conforming to the dcim spec, with the
possibility of changing the prefix used in some cases.
it's possible that an android device deviates from the spec, but that
would actually be a defect, making it a non-compliant camera.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_rule_for_Camera_File_system>
Design rule for Camera File system (DCF) is a JEITA specification
(number CP-3461) which defines a file system for digital cameras,
including the directory structure, file naming method, character set,
file format, and metadata format. It is currently the de facto
industry standard for digital still cameras. The file format of DCF
conforms to the Exif specification, but the DCF specification also
allows use of any other file formats.
...
The filesystem in a digital camera contains a DCIM (Digital Camera
Images) directory, which can contain multiple subdirectories with
names such as "123ABCDE" that consist of a unique directory number
(in the range 100Š999) and five alphanumeric characters, which may be
freely chosen and often refer to a camera maker. These directories
contain files with names such as "ABCD1234.JPG" that consist of four
alphanumeric characters (often "DSC_", "DSC0", "DSCF", "IMG_"/"MOV_",
or "P000"), followed by a number. DCF 2.0 adds support for DCF
optional files recorded in an optional color space (that is, Adobe
RGB rather than sRGB). Such files must be indicated by a leading "_"
(as in "_DSC" instead of "DSC_" or "DSC0").
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 12:52:28 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <cg0ag7...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> just like any other digital camera.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not Android.
>> >>
>> >> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
>> >
>> > android phones and tablets have cameras, as do iphones and ipads
>>
>> I took your comment, "just like any other digital camera" to mean a
>> typical digital camera. Smart phones and tables often have cameras, but
>> that doesn't make them primarily "digital cameras", which is why people
>> don't refer to their phones and tablets as "digital cameras" when
>> describing them as devices. And because of their nature, they often
>> don't behave in the same way a typical dedicated "digital camera"
>> behaves. Particularly when it comes to naming image files, they may
>> behave quite differently than a typical "digital camera". I'm sure you
>> know all of this, which makes me wonder why you are now arguing about
>> it.
>
> i'm not arguing.
...he argued...
><jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> just like any other digital camera.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not Android.
>> >>
>> >> Android doesn't make digital cameras.
>> >
>> > android phones and tablets have cameras, as do iphones and ipads
>>
>> I took your comment, "just like any other digital camera" to mean a
>> typical digital camera. Smart phones and tables often have cameras, but
>> that doesn't make them primarily "digital cameras", which is why people
>> don't refer to their phones and tablets as "digital cameras" when
>> describing them as devices. And because of their nature, they often
>> don't behave in the same way a typical dedicated "digital camera"
>> behaves. Particularly when it comes to naming image files, they may
>> behave quite differently than a typical "digital camera". I'm sure you
>> know all of this, which makes me wonder why you are now arguing about
>> it.
>
> i'm not arguing.
> first of all, the statement 'android doesn't make digital cameras' is
> meaningless. android is not a company, it's a product.
vinny: ios names image files sequentially
nospam: just like any other digital camera
vinny: not android
me: android doesn't make digital cameras
Obviously a smart phones with built-in cameras can stray from any
standard naming conventions if the designer sees fit, whereas typical
devices we commonly refer to as "digital cameras" usually follow the
standard convention.
Arguing about this is pedantic and boring. Feel free to carry on by
yourself.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 4:33:39 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:30:55 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
> I think I see your problem.
> As I said above, stop thinking Linux.
You have that backward! :)
> I think I see your problem.
> As I said above, stop thinking Linux.
While iOS is a nice operating system, in this particular instance,
the problem isn't Linux. The problem is the lack of basic
functionality in iOS.
Almost all other mobile operating systems allow settings to save
photos with reasonable file names. I just asked how to do that
with iOS.
If it can't be done with iOS, then I'll just have to make
reasonable file names after the fact, based on inherent EXIF
meta data.
Postprocessing to fix iOS limitations will certainly work, but it
would be best not to have to fix problems created by iOS just to
get something as simple as a proper file name out of iOS.
$ exiv2 rename img_1234.jpg
Renames img_1234.jpg (taken on 13-Nov-05 at 22:58:31) to 20051113_225831.jpg
$ exiv2 -r':basename:_%Y%m' rename img_1234.jpg
Renames img_1234.jpg to img_1234_200511.jpg
In a script:
$ for i in $(ls *.JPG); do exiv2 -r '%Y%m%d.%H%M%S.:basename:' rename $i; done
nospam
Dec 24, 2014, 4:40:26 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7fbfi$d6l$3...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
they don't make any difference.
user a photo asset manager and let the computer worry about everything,
leaving you to concentrate on the *content* of the photos.
> Almost all other mobile operating systems allow settings to save
> photos with reasonable file names. I just asked how to do that
> with iOS.
cameras do not provide for renaming files other than changing the
prefix in some cases.
ios complies with the dcim naming spec like other cameras do.
once you copy the images to a computer, you can do whatever you want
with them.
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> While iOS is a nice operating system, in this particular instance,
> the problem isn't Linux. The problem is the lack of basic
> functionality in iOS.
no, the problem is your insistence on worrying about file names.
> While iOS is a nice operating system, in this particular instance,
> the problem isn't Linux. The problem is the lack of basic
> functionality in iOS.
they don't make any difference.
user a photo asset manager and let the computer worry about everything,
leaving you to concentrate on the *content* of the photos.
> Almost all other mobile operating systems allow settings to save
> photos with reasonable file names. I just asked how to do that
> with iOS.
prefix in some cases.
ios complies with the dcim naming spec like other cameras do.
once you copy the images to a computer, you can do whatever you want
with them.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 4:46:02 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:54 -0500, nospam wrote:
> the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
I'm sure the file name doesn't make one bit of difference,
> the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
to _you_. That's clear, from what you say anyway.
However, to _me_, the lack of a sensible file name coming
out of iOS makes working with iOS photos harder than it needs
to be.
First, the iOS directory names are idiotically meaningless,
and unchangeable, but, more importantly, I often snap a few
dozen photos for a task, and then temporarily copy over to
my /tmp directory just those few dozen photos to work on them.
Then maybe a day or five later, I snap another few dozen photos,
to temporarily bring them over, to work on them on the desktop.
With Android, it's easy to keep track of the photos already
copied over because the dates are embedded in the file name
(which is a settable camera option). It's also just as easy
to change the directory names, on the Android device, to, say,
"nature hike", "wedding", "walk in the park", etc.
Android allows all that flexibility and usability.
In fact, when it comes to automatically naming photos and
changing directory names, Android just works.
I just want the same usability for my iOS devices.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 4:47:44 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:40:25 -0500, nospam wrote:
> user a photo asset manager and let the computer worry about everything,
> leaving you to concentrate on the *content* of the photos.
What "photo asset manager" do you recommend for Centos?
> user a photo asset manager and let the computer worry about everything,
> leaving you to concentrate on the *content* of the photos.
(and, no, Wine doesn't count)
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 4:52:05 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:22:09 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> While you knuckle down to write a script to do your post
> processing, the rest of us are already enjoying our photos.
You have a valid point in that iOS doesn't just work like
> While you knuckle down to write a script to do your post
> processing, the rest of us are already enjoying our photos.
the other operating systems do.
And, you have a valid point that iOS only works well with
another iOS device.
But the world contains people who have both iOS devices
and computers that are not built by Apple.
I happen to be one of them.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 4:53:07 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:52 -0500, nospam wrote:
> what setting is that?
My android photos are named by time and date.
I can add a prefix (such as "wedding" or "hike", but I usually
don't bother.
> what setting is that?
My android photos are named by time and date.
I can add a prefix (such as "wedding" or "hike", but I usually
don't bother.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 4:55:39 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:52 -0500, nospam wrote:
> is it magically going to know it's a waterfall and then name it
> "waterfall1.jpg" ? is it going to know it's your kid's soccer game and
> name it "winning goal.jpg" ??
My Android device can name photos based on time and date, or
> "waterfall1.jpg" ? is it going to know it's your kid's soccer game and
> name it "winning goal.jpg" ??
with a specific prefix such as "soccer game", or even automatically
by geolocation, for example.
So, if I lived on "100 Main Street", it would name the photo
with a prefix of "100 Main Street", without me even telling it I was
on 100 Main Street.
If I then walked down to 500 Main Street, it would prefix the photos
"500 Main Street".
This is how intelligent systems work.
They have these fancy things called _settings_, which allow flexibility
and usability.
I was just hoping that iOS had this same concept of usability, that's all.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 4:56:37 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:30:55 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> I think I see your problem.
>> As I said above, stop thinking Linux.
>
> You have that backward! :)
It's pretty clear for some of us to see who has it backward here. : )
>
>> I think I see your problem.
>> As I said above, stop thinking Linux.
>
> You have that backward! :)
> While iOS is a nice operating system, in this particular instance,
> the problem isn't Linux. The problem is the lack of basic
> functionality in iOS.
their devices as designed with streamlined applications rather than
trying to shoehorn it into their grandfather's computing methodologies.
You clearly bought the wrong device. ; )
> Postprocessing to fix iOS limitations will certainly work, but it
> would be best not to have to fix problems created by iOS just to
> get something as simple as a proper file name out of iOS.
>
> $ exiv2 rename img_1234.jpg
> Renames img_1234.jpg (taken on 13-Nov-05 at 22:58:31) to 20051113_225831.jpg
>
> $ exiv2 -r':basename:_%Y%m' rename img_1234.jpg
> Renames img_1234.jpg to img_1234_200511.jpg
>
> In a script:
> $ for i in $(ls *.JPG); do exiv2 -r '%Y%m%d.%H%M%S.:basename:' rename $i; done
iPhoto and are back with our families enjoying time well spent and
taking more photos. The price of "closed" is so horrible! : )
Vinny Perado
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:26:35 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> What do you consider a meaningful name?
I just gave an example in a prior post, but I'll repeat it here.
> What do you consider a meaningful name?
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 4:59:49 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:57 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
> it' isn't going to say "bob and carol.jpg" or "sunset.jpg".
>
> how would it know? it can't.
>
> all cameras have sequential names.
You really need to get out of the house more often and
>
> it' isn't going to say "bob and carol.jpg" or "sunset.jpg".
>
> how would it know? it can't.
>
> all cameras have sequential names.
open your eyes to what has existed for quite some time
with respect to intelligent file naming on mobile devices.
Set an Android device to name based on geolocation, and it
will name every picture based on the street name and house
address you're at.
So, for example, if it's Halloween and the kids are walking
up and down the blocks, every picture will be named based on
the house number and street.
JF Mezei
Dec 24, 2014, 5:01:29 PM12/24/14
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On 14-12-24 16:57, Vinny Perado wrote:
> My Android device can name photos based on time and date, or
> with a specific prefix such as "soccer game", or even automatically
> by geolocation, for example.
This is perhaps because Google didn't write photo management apps on
> My Android device can name photos based on time and date, or
> with a specific prefix such as "soccer game", or even automatically
> by geolocation, for example.
desktops and assumes you manage photos by filename.
BTW, you can use XV on Linux to view and manage photos. It builds
thumbnails when you ask to display a directory. At which point, the
filenames become far less relevant.
Also, you can use something called a "diretory" available also on Linux
to file a who bunch of "random" file names into "Wedding Anniversary
2014" directory to file the relevant images.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:02:54 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:57 -0500, nospam wrote:
> the names make no difference whatsoever.
Again, intelligent file names obviously make no difference to _you_,
but to others, they make a difference.
You can, for example, fly in a helicopter over NYC and each picture
will be automatically named with a prefix of the street name and
address and then a postfix of the time and date that the photo
was taken.
If you wish to look all that stuff up manually, and post process
the photo names after the fact and manually compare on a map to
figure out where the photo was taken, all the power to you.
But some of us prefer to do things the easy way.
I was just asking if iOS did things the easy way, and the answer
seems to be most of you don't even understand the question, nor
the obvious advantage of intelligent file names.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:08:07 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:29:47 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> The answer is to use the device the way it was designed to be used.
> Those of us who do use our iOS devices as they were designed don't have
> problems with image filenames. Ask yourself why that is.
I suspect the average iOS user isn't very sophisticated, so, it would
never occur to them to have intelligent file names.
They'd probably rather do it the hard way.
For example, if they went trick or treating, and snapped pictures of the
kids, it would never occur to them to have the file names automatically
prefixed with the house and street address and time. I don't know how
iOS users would keep track of which photo went with which house, but,
I'm sure it will be harder than it needs to be.
Likewise, if they flew over a city, the iOS user would probably manually
correlate each picture taken with the street name below, which again,
would be the hard way to do things.
Reminds me of my secretary, who does _everything_ manually. It never
occurs to her to write a macro to automate anything. She loves her
iPhone though. So, I guess it goes with the territory.
However, I had thought that Usenet folks were smarter than that.
> The answer is to use the device the way it was designed to be used.
> Those of us who do use our iOS devices as they were designed don't have
> problems with image filenames. Ask yourself why that is.
I suspect the average iOS user isn't very sophisticated, so, it would
never occur to them to have intelligent file names.
They'd probably rather do it the hard way.
For example, if they went trick or treating, and snapped pictures of the
kids, it would never occur to them to have the file names automatically
prefixed with the house and street address and time. I don't know how
iOS users would keep track of which photo went with which house, but,
I'm sure it will be harder than it needs to be.
Likewise, if they flew over a city, the iOS user would probably manually
correlate each picture taken with the street name below, which again,
would be the hard way to do things.
Reminds me of my secretary, who does _everything_ manually. It never
occurs to her to write a macro to automate anything. She loves her
iPhone though. So, I guess it goes with the territory.
However, I had thought that Usenet folks were smarter than that.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:10:08 PM12/24/14
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> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:30:55 -0800, Savageduck wrote
> $ exiv2 rename img_1234.jpg
> Renames img_1234.jpg (taken on 13-Nov-05 at 22:58:31) to
> 20051113_225831.jpg
img_nnnn.jpg (or .tiff, etc.) and similar is the standard for file
> Renames img_1234.jpg (taken on 13-Nov-05 at 22:58:31) to
> 20051113_225831.jpg
names.
I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:10:43 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:54 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
>
> I'm sure the file name doesn't make one bit of difference,
> to _you_.
To *most* iOS users, because they use the device as designed. They made
>
>> the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
>
> I'm sure the file name doesn't make one bit of difference,
> to _you_.
a good purchase for them. You? Apparently, not so much.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:14:53 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:22:09 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> While you knuckle down to write a script to do your post
>> processing, the rest of us are already enjoying our photos.
>
> You have a valid point in that iOS doesn't just work like
> the other operating systems do.
Oh, look, "doesn't just work". How cute. Aren't you witty?
>
>> While you knuckle down to write a script to do your post
>> processing, the rest of us are already enjoying our photos.
>
> You have a valid point in that iOS doesn't just work like
> the other operating systems do.
> And, you have a valid point that iOS only works well with
> another iOS device.
> But the world contains people who have both iOS devices
> and computers that are not built by Apple.
device. No, I doubt the world is full of people like that. It's mostly
Linux users, and that's a very small chunk of the market.
> I happen to be one of them.
rest of us get on with life! And next time, do everyone a favor and
avoid iOS.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:15:01 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:22:44 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> Wine isn't the answer either.
>
> Beer?
Sorry Michelle Steiner.
I should have made it clear what "Wine" was.
I don't remember who it was, but someone naively suggested a picture-processing
utility such as lightroom, which, as they knew before they suggested it,
probably didn't exist on Centos.
With this kludgey software called "Wine", it would probably run, but
there would be a whole host of other problems which this newsgroup isn't
the place to go into details upon.
What the helpful posters don't realize is that automatically naming
photos at the time they are taken is actually useful.
I gave the example of trick or treating, where every photo is named based
on the house and street location and time and date. I also gave the
similar example of flying over a city where each photo is named based
on the street name 10,000 feet below the picture.
Similarly, someone posted that iOS can't know that it's a soccer game
or a wedding, but my other mobile operating system camera has settings
where I can set the prefix to be "soccer game" or "wedding", so, they
just need to get out more often.
Anyway, all this doesn't matter.
The iOS camera app can either name pictures sensibly, or it can't.
I couldn't figure out how iOS would do it - so I asked if you knew how.
>> Wine isn't the answer either.
>
> Beer?
Sorry Michelle Steiner.
I should have made it clear what "Wine" was.
I don't remember who it was, but someone naively suggested a picture-processing
utility such as lightroom, which, as they knew before they suggested it,
probably didn't exist on Centos.
With this kludgey software called "Wine", it would probably run, but
there would be a whole host of other problems which this newsgroup isn't
the place to go into details upon.
What the helpful posters don't realize is that automatically naming
photos at the time they are taken is actually useful.
I gave the example of trick or treating, where every photo is named based
on the house and street location and time and date. I also gave the
similar example of flying over a city where each photo is named based
on the street name 10,000 feet below the picture.
Similarly, someone posted that iOS can't know that it's a soccer game
or a wedding, but my other mobile operating system camera has settings
where I can set the prefix to be "soccer game" or "wedding", so, they
just need to get out more often.
Anyway, all this doesn't matter.
The iOS camera app can either name pictures sensibly, or it can't.
I couldn't figure out how iOS would do it - so I asked if you knew how.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:15:35 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:52 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> what setting is that?
>
> My android photos are named by time and date.
How about your Nikon pictures? How are they named?
>
>> what setting is that?
>
> My android photos are named by time and date.
How are your Canon pictures named too?
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:17:09 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:56:35 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> ...meanwhile the rest of us have already transferred our photos into
> iPhoto and are back with our families enjoying time well spent and
> taking more photos. The price of "closed" is so horrible! : )
How do you get iPhoto to name pictures based on geolocation details?
> ...meanwhile the rest of us have already transferred our photos into
> iPhoto and are back with our families enjoying time well spent and
> taking more photos. The price of "closed" is so horrible! : )
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:18:15 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:29:47 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> The answer is to use the device the way it was designed to be used.
>> Those of us who do use our iOS devices as they were designed don't have
>> problems with image filenames. Ask yourself why that is.
>
> I suspect the average iOS user isn't very sophisticated, so, it would
> never occur to them to have intelligent file names.
Yes, the most insulting answer must be the right one. Good work, Vinny!
>
>> The answer is to use the device the way it was designed to be used.
>> Those of us who do use our iOS devices as they were designed don't have
>> problems with image filenames. Ask yourself why that is.
>
> I suspect the average iOS user isn't very sophisticated, so, it would
> never occur to them to have intelligent file names.
> They'd probably rather do it the hard way.
> However, I had thought that Usenet folks were smarter than that.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:18:57 PM12/24/14
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In article <cg0r4i...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
<https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> ...meanwhile the rest of us have already transferred our photos into
> iPhoto and are back with our families enjoying time well spent and
> taking more photos. The price of "closed" is so horrible! : )
Speaking of photos, here are a few that I took with my iPhone 6 while
> ...meanwhile the rest of us have already transferred our photos into
> iPhoto and are back with our families enjoying time well spent and
> taking more photos. The price of "closed" is so horrible! : )
on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
<https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:21:23 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:10:08 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
How about "soccer game on Nov 13 2005.jpg" next to "wedding
> I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
of Michelle and Rod Nov 14 2005.jpg"?
My Android phone can easily do that.
I just can't figure out how to get iOS to do that yet.
How about "Halloween 100 Main Street 5:01pm.jpg" alongside
the next photo named "Halloween 110 Main Street 5:10pm.jpg",
alongside the next one named "Halloween 5 Oak Street 5:15pm.jpg".
All this has been possible on my other mobile device for years.
I just wanted the same usability on iOS, which is why I asked.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:22:30 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
so on. There's absolutely no need for me to futz with any file names.
Denny Williams
Dec 24, 2014, 5:22:36 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:10:08 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
It's a lot more meaningful than IMG1234.JPG!
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:28:08 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:01:27 -0500, JF Mezei wrote:
> BTW, you can use XV on Linux to view and manage photos. It builds
> thumbnails when you ask to display a directory. At which point, the
> filenames become far less relevant.
I currently use "feh" on Centos, which is fast, and allows button
> BTW, you can use XV on Linux to view and manage photos. It builds
> thumbnails when you ask to display a directory. At which point, the
> filenames become far less relevant.
presses to place or name photos the way you want them.
For example:
$ feh -d -F --cycle-once *.JPG --action1 "mv %f ./soccer/." --action2 "mv %f ./wedding/." --action3 "mv %f ./hike/."'
> Also, you can use something called a "directory" available also on Linux.
> to file a who bunch of "random" file names into "Wedding Anniversary
> 2014" directory to file the relevant images.
See feh example above.
> 2014" directory to file the relevant images.
I don't have to do this for Android photos - just for iOS photos.
I was just hoping to make iOS as easy to use as Android is.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:28:49 PM12/24/14
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anniversary on the big island in winter 2004 and came back with 619
photos - just looked in iPhoto. We had a blast kicking back, exploring
empty beaches we had all to ourselves all day, and getting the SUV stuck
in old lava flows. Great memories! : )
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:29:29 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7fc6p$d6l$4...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
> First, the iOS directory names are idiotically meaningless,
They are industry standard. Furthermore, the examples you gave of what
you want to change them to are completely meaningless.
> and unchangeable
No, they're not. You even gave us examples of how you change them.
> but, more importantly, I often snap a few
> dozen photos for a task, and then temporarily copy over to
> my /tmp directory just those few dozen photos to work on them.
>
> Then maybe a day or five later, I snap another few dozen photos,
> to temporarily bring them over, to work on them on the desktop.
I don't work with photos on the desktop; I work with them with photo
software such as photos.app, Photoshop, Lightroom, Graphic Convertor,
etc.
> With Android, it's easy to keep track of the photos already
> copied over because the dates are embedded in the file name
> (which is a settable camera option). It's also just as easy
> to change the directory names, on the Android device, to, say,
> "nature hike", "wedding", "walk in the park", etc.
Although I can't change album names in my iPhone, I can name them when
I create them. Wouldn't that be good enough?
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> > the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
>
> I'm sure the file name doesn't make one bit of difference,
> to _you_. That's clear, from what you say anyway.
>
> However, to _me_, the lack of a sensible file name coming
> out of iOS makes working with iOS photos harder than it needs
> to be.
I don't need any frigging file name to work with the photos.
> > the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
>
> I'm sure the file name doesn't make one bit of difference,
> to _you_. That's clear, from what you say anyway.
>
> However, to _me_, the lack of a sensible file name coming
> out of iOS makes working with iOS photos harder than it needs
> to be.
> First, the iOS directory names are idiotically meaningless,
you want to change them to are completely meaningless.
> and unchangeable
No, they're not. You even gave us examples of how you change them.
> but, more importantly, I often snap a few
> dozen photos for a task, and then temporarily copy over to
> my /tmp directory just those few dozen photos to work on them.
>
> Then maybe a day or five later, I snap another few dozen photos,
> to temporarily bring them over, to work on them on the desktop.
software such as photos.app, Photoshop, Lightroom, Graphic Convertor,
etc.
> With Android, it's easy to keep track of the photos already
> copied over because the dates are embedded in the file name
> (which is a settable camera option). It's also just as easy
> to change the directory names, on the Android device, to, say,
> "nature hike", "wedding", "walk in the park", etc.
I create them. Wouldn't that be good enough?
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:30:56 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 22:10:41 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> To *most* iOS users, because they use the device as designed. They made
> a good purchase for them. You? Apparently, not so much.
Fair enough.
> To *most* iOS users, because they use the device as designed. They made
> a good purchase for them. You? Apparently, not so much.
Most iOS users probably won't even understand the question.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:32:37 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7fcoq$d6l$8...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
When I select a photo in my iPhone, it tells me where the photo was
taken, down to the street name, if appropriate. And if the photo was
downloaded from the internet instead of taken by the camera, it tells
me the date it was downloaded.
taken, down to the street name, if appropriate. And if the photo was
downloaded from the internet instead of taken by the camera, it tells
me the date it was downloaded.
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:33:50 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:32:36 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> When I select a photo in my iPhone, it tells me where the photo was
> taken, down to the street name, if appropriate. And if the photo was
> downloaded from the internet instead of taken by the camera, it tells
> me the date it was downloaded.
That's perfect.
> When I select a photo in my iPhone, it tells me where the photo was
> taken, down to the street name, if appropriate. And if the photo was
> downloaded from the internet instead of taken by the camera, it tells
> me the date it was downloaded.
Now if it could only _name_ the photos, based on what it already knows!
Vinny Perado
Dec 24, 2014, 5:34:50 PM12/24/14
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:29:28 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> They are industry standard.
APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
Industries include more than a single company.
> They are industry standard.
APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
Industries include more than a single company.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:35:22 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7feb6$q65$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Denny Williams
IMG1234-jpg is the 1234th picture taken.
<dennyw...@aoie.org> wrote:
> > I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
>
> It's a lot more meaningful than IMG1234.JPG!
Not to me; I have no idea what it means. At least I know that
> > I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
>
> It's a lot more meaningful than IMG1234.JPG!
IMG1234-jpg is the 1234th picture taken.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:40:32 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> I don't have to do this for Android photos - just for iOS photos.
> I was just hoping to make iOS as easy to use as Android is.
It's downright comical to see people (and mostly Linux desktop users)
> I was just hoping to make iOS as easy to use as Android is.
make such completely clueless statements. Even after you tell them how
much more streamlined and effortless iOS and Mac OS make things like
accessing your photos, they refuse to believe it can be any better than
the tired, outdated methodologies and systems they are apparently
holding onto for dear life. Linux is great for servers, but I feel lucky
to have found better desktop alternatives that let me get on with life.
Patty Winter
Dec 24, 2014, 5:43:27 PM12/24/14
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In article <241220141518562187%mich...@michelle.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>Speaking of photos, here are a few that I took with my iPhone 6 while
>on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
>
><https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
As JR said, nice!
>
>Speaking of photos, here are a few that I took with my iPhone 6 while
>on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
>
><https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
Good thing for the rooster that that was a Starbucks and not a KFC....
Where were these taken?
Patty
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:46:23 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7fd6e$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
so we can concentrate on the image itself, thus all that filename stuff
becomes immaterial. Android's photo apps aren't designed to work in
concert with photo apps on computers, so you're stuck with using
workarounds such as file names. You're so used to the work around that
you don't realize that it is a work around, and think that it is as
things should be.
> But some of us prefer to do things the easy way.
We do; that's the reason we use Mac OS in conjunction with iOS.
> I was just asking if iOS did things the easy way, and the answer
> seems to be most of you don't even understand the question, nor
> the obvious advantage of intelligent file names.
Oh we understand that using file names is a work around imposed by your
choice of computer OS; we just get our heads wrapped around why you
would want to do it that way.
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> > the names make no difference whatsoever.
>
> Again, intelligent file names obviously make no difference to _you_,
> but to others, they make a difference.
iOS photos app and Mac OS photos app were designed to to work together
> > the names make no difference whatsoever.
>
> Again, intelligent file names obviously make no difference to _you_,
> but to others, they make a difference.
so we can concentrate on the image itself, thus all that filename stuff
becomes immaterial. Android's photo apps aren't designed to work in
concert with photo apps on computers, so you're stuck with using
workarounds such as file names. You're so used to the work around that
you don't realize that it is a work around, and think that it is as
things should be.
> But some of us prefer to do things the easy way.
> I was just asking if iOS did things the easy way, and the answer
> seems to be most of you don't even understand the question, nor
> the obvious advantage of intelligent file names.
choice of computer OS; we just get our heads wrapped around why you
would want to do it that way.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:48:29 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7fe92$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> How about "soccer game on Nov 13 2005.jpg" next to "wedding
> of Michelle and Rod Nov 14 2005.jpg"?
>
> My Android phone can easily do that.
> I just can't figure out how to get iOS to do that yet.
I have no need to do that; I use iPhoto.
> How about "soccer game on Nov 13 2005.jpg" next to "wedding
> of Michelle and Rod Nov 14 2005.jpg"?
>
> My Android phone can easily do that.
> I just can't figure out how to get iOS to do that yet.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:51:39 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
iOS (not to mention iOS users) to make such a statement.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:51:54 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7fdt4$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
humor.
> I also gave the similar example of flying over a city where each
> photo is named based on the street name 10,000 feet below the
> picture.
I'm curious as to how you do that, considering that GPS is supposed to
be turned off when you're flying at that altitude.
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> >> Wine isn't the answer either.
> >
> > Beer?
>
> Sorry Michelle Steiner.
> I should have made it clear what "Wine" was.
I know what it is; I was joking. I think you need to get a sense of
> >> Wine isn't the answer either.
> >
> > Beer?
>
> Sorry Michelle Steiner.
> I should have made it clear what "Wine" was.
humor.
> I also gave the similar example of flying over a city where each
> photo is named based on the street name 10,000 feet below the
> picture.
be turned off when you're flying at that altitude.
Jolly Roger
Dec 24, 2014, 5:53:44 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
designed.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:55:35 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7fe0b$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
Naming the photo is not the same as giving the file a file name.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 5:59:00 PM12/24/14
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In article <cg0t10...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
in or near Hilo. I was visiting a friend who lives in a suburb of
Hilo.
Now we know why the chicken crossed the road; she was leaving
Starbuck's.
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
> >
> ><https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
>
> Nice! Which island?
The Big Island. The sunset picture was in Kona; the other three were
> > on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
> >
> ><https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
>
> Nice! Which island?
in or near Hilo. I was visiting a friend who lives in a suburb of
Hilo.
Now we know why the chicken crossed the road; she was leaving
Starbuck's.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 6:00:05 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7ff29$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
like that name.
<vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> > They are industry standard.
>
> APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
>
> Industries include more than a single company.
Where did you get "APPLE101" from? None of my photos have anything
> > They are industry standard.
>
> APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
>
> Industries include more than a single company.
like that name.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 6:01:39 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7ff0e$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
THERE IS NO NEED TO DO THAT! If I want, I can name each photo based on
its content. And I have done that with some photos.
its content. And I have done that with some photos.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 6:11:50 PM12/24/14
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In article <549b418e$0$36540$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
Well, according to iPhoto, the sunset photo was taken at Ali'i Drive in
Kona. The chicken photo was in Hilo, and the other two were at
Papaikou.
Kona. The chicken photo was in Hilo, and the other two were at
Papaikou.
Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 6:41:08 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 21:46:01 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:54 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
>
> I'm sure the file name doesn't make one bit of difference,
> to _you_. That's clear, from what you say anyway.
>
> However, to _me_, the lack of a sensible file name coming
> out of iOS makes working with iOS photos harder than it needs
> to be.
>
will note that you can select between *Photos* and *Albums*. When
*Photos* is selected the individual photos are sorted into
*Collections* which are determined by capture date and/or Geolocation.
*Albums* are divided into *Camera Roll* and any other albums you choose
to add, with any name you choose to give them.
> Android allows all that flexibility and usability.
> In fact, when it comes to automatically naming photos and
> changing directory names, Android just works.
>
> I just want the same usability for my iOS devices.
Why did you think an iOS device should work like an Android device?
Why did you choose to buy an iPhone if it was not going to do what you
wanted it to do?
It seems to me that due to irreconcilable differences your iOS
relationship is destined to failure.
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> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:54 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> the file name doesn't make a bit of difference.
>
> I'm sure the file name doesn't make one bit of difference,
> to _you_. That's clear, from what you say anyway.
>
> However, to _me_, the lack of a sensible file name coming
> out of iOS makes working with iOS photos harder than it needs
> to be.
>
> First, the iOS directory names are idiotically meaningless,
> and unchangeable, but, more importantly, I often snap a few
> dozen photos for a task, and then temporarily copy over to
> my /tmp directory just those few dozen photos to work on them.
>
> Then maybe a day or five later, I snap another few dozen photos,
> to temporarily bring them over, to work on them on the desktop.
>
> my /tmp directory just those few dozen photos to work on them.
>
> Then maybe a day or five later, I snap another few dozen photos,
> to temporarily bring them over, to work on them on the desktop.
>
> With Android, it's easy to keep track of the photos already
> copied over because the dates are embedded in the file name
> (which is a settable camera option). It's also just as easy
> to change the directory names, on the Android device, to, say,
> "nature hike", "wedding", "walk in the park", etc.
If you take a different look at the contents of the *Camera Roll* you
> copied over because the dates are embedded in the file name
> (which is a settable camera option). It's also just as easy
> to change the directory names, on the Android device, to, say,
> "nature hike", "wedding", "walk in the park", etc.
will note that you can select between *Photos* and *Albums*. When
*Photos* is selected the individual photos are sorted into
*Collections* which are determined by capture date and/or Geolocation.
*Albums* are divided into *Camera Roll* and any other albums you choose
to add, with any name you choose to give them.
> Android allows all that flexibility and usability.
> In fact, when it comes to automatically naming photos and
> changing directory names, Android just works.
>
> I just want the same usability for my iOS devices.
Why did you think an iOS device should work like an Android device?
Why did you choose to buy an iPhone if it was not going to do what you
wanted it to do?
It seems to me that due to irreconcilable differences your iOS
relationship is destined to failure.
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Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 6:43:28 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 21:47:44 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:40:25 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> user a photo asset manager and let the computer worry about everything,
>> leaving you to concentrate on the *content* of the photos.
>
> What "photo asset manager" do you recommend for Centos?
> (and, no, Wine doesn't count)
I think I see your problem.
So Linux, in this case Centos cannot be all things to all keyboard jockeys.
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> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:40:25 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> user a photo asset manager and let the computer worry about everything,
>> leaving you to concentrate on the *content* of the photos.
>
> What "photo asset manager" do you recommend for Centos?
> (and, no, Wine doesn't count)
I think I see your problem.
So Linux, in this case Centos cannot be all things to all keyboard jockeys.
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JF Mezei
Dec 24, 2014, 6:45:23 PM12/24/14
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On 14-12-24 17:16, Vinny Perado wrote:
> How do you get iPhoto to name pictures based on geolocation details?
in iPhoto, the filenames are not as relevant because you can
> How do you get iPhoto to name pictures based on geolocation details?
automatically file photos in smart albums based on a whole lot of
parameters including geolocation in the exit data.
This means that a photo could be filed in a "helicopter" folder as well
as a "Manhattan" one. The filename becomes irrelevant when it can be
filed automatically in different folders
Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 6:48:35 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 21:52:04 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:22:09 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> While you knuckle down to write a script to do your post
>> processing, the rest of us are already enjoying our photos.
>
> You have a valid point in that iOS doesn't just work like
> the other operating systems do.
>
> And, you have a valid point that iOS only works well with
> another iOS device.
>
> But the world contains people who have both iOS devices
> and computers that are not built by Apple.
>
> I happen to be one of them.
Apple doesn't make too many Windows machines.
When you bought your iOS device you might have taken the trouble to
check that the only supported OSs are OSX and Windows.
We have hashed this out with others locked into Linux who refuse to
understand the idea that iOS devices are not supported within any
version of Linux.
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> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:22:09 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> While you knuckle down to write a script to do your post
>> processing, the rest of us are already enjoying our photos.
>
> You have a valid point in that iOS doesn't just work like
> the other operating systems do.
>
> And, you have a valid point that iOS only works well with
> another iOS device.
>
> But the world contains people who have both iOS devices
> and computers that are not built by Apple.
>
> I happen to be one of them.
Apple doesn't make too many Windows machines.
When you bought your iOS device you might have taken the trouble to
check that the only supported OSs are OSX and Windows.
We have hashed this out with others locked into Linux who refuse to
understand the idea that iOS devices are not supported within any
version of Linux.
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Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 6:51:18 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 21:55:39 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:52 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> is it magically going to know it's a waterfall and then name it
>> "waterfall1.jpg" ? is it going to know it's your kid's soccer game and
>> name it "winning goal.jpg" ??
>
> My Android device can name photos based on time and date, or
> with a specific prefix such as "soccer game", or even automatically
> by geolocation, for example.
>
> So, if I lived on "100 Main Street", it would name the photo
> with a prefix of "100 Main Street", without me even telling it I was
> on 100 Main Street.
>
> If I then walked down to 500 Main Street, it would prefix the photos
> "500 Main Street".
>
> This is how intelligent systems work.
> They have these fancy things called _settings_, which allow flexibility
> and usability.
>
> I was just hoping that iOS had this same concept of usability, that's all.
Take another look in the *Camera Roll* at *Photos* and *Collections*
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:52 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> is it magically going to know it's a waterfall and then name it
>> "waterfall1.jpg" ? is it going to know it's your kid's soccer game and
>> name it "winning goal.jpg" ??
>
> My Android device can name photos based on time and date, or
> with a specific prefix such as "soccer game", or even automatically
> by geolocation, for example.
>
> So, if I lived on "100 Main Street", it would name the photo
> with a prefix of "100 Main Street", without me even telling it I was
> on 100 Main Street.
>
> If I then walked down to 500 Main Street, it would prefix the photos
> "500 Main Street".
>
> This is how intelligent systems work.
> They have these fancy things called _settings_, which allow flexibility
> and usability.
>
> I was just hoping that iOS had this same concept of usability, that's all.
and you will see that all shots are classified by location and date.
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Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 7:02:54 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 22:02:54 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:57 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> the names make no difference whatsoever.
>
> Again, intelligent file names obviously make no difference to _you_,
> but to others, they make a difference.
>
> You can, for example, fly in a helicopter over NYC and each picture
> will be automatically named with a prefix of the street name and
> address and then a postfix of the time and date that the photo
> was taken.
>
> If you wish to look all that stuff up manually, and post process
> the photo names after the fact and manually compare on a map to
> figure out where the photo was taken, all the power to you.
>
> But some of us prefer to do things the easy way.
iPhone *Camera Roll* image files. All easy to find. If I tap on the
image it opens. If I tap on the location, it shows me the location. If
I want to find an image I can search location, capture date, or if I
have created an album with a specific name, I can find that.
<https://db.tt/35O7OhyQ>
<https://db.tt/Gbd1JkkP>
WTF is your beef?
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> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:57 -0500, nospam wrote:
>
>> the names make no difference whatsoever.
>
> Again, intelligent file names obviously make no difference to _you_,
> but to others, they make a difference.
>
> will be automatically named with a prefix of the street name and
> address and then a postfix of the time and date that the photo
> was taken.
>
> If you wish to look all that stuff up manually, and post process
> the photo names after the fact and manually compare on a map to
> figure out where the photo was taken, all the power to you.
>
> But some of us prefer to do things the easy way.
>
> I was just asking if iOS did things the easy way, and the answer
> seems to be most of you don't even understand the question, nor
> the obvious advantage of intelligent file names.
Here. If you care to look you will note location and date for these
> I was just asking if iOS did things the easy way, and the answer
> seems to be most of you don't even understand the question, nor
> the obvious advantage of intelligent file names.
iPhone *Camera Roll* image files. All easy to find. If I tap on the
image it opens. If I tap on the location, it shows me the location. If
I want to find an image I can search location, capture date, or if I
have created an album with a specific name, I can find that.
<https://db.tt/35O7OhyQ>
<https://db.tt/Gbd1JkkP>
WTF is your beef?
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Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 7:09:04 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 22:15:00 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:22:44 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>>> Wine isn't the answer either.
>>
>> Beer?
>
> Sorry Michelle Steiner.
> I should have made it clear what "Wine" was.
>
> I don't remember who it was, but someone naively suggested a picture-processing
> utility such as lightroom, which, as they knew before they suggested it,
> probably didn't exist on Centos.
Well you are prescient enough to have identified your real problem.
Centros, and the inability to do what millions of iOS users running OSX
and various versions of Windows, and quite often no computer at all,
can do, all without beating themselves up.
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> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:22:44 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>>> Wine isn't the answer either.
>>
>> Beer?
>
> Sorry Michelle Steiner.
> I should have made it clear what "Wine" was.
>
> utility such as lightroom, which, as they knew before they suggested it,
> probably didn't exist on Centos.
Well you are prescient enough to have identified your real problem.
Centros, and the inability to do what millions of iOS users running OSX
and various versions of Windows, and quite often no computer at all,
can do, all without beating themselves up.
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Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 7:16:32 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 22:15:34 +0000, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> said:
> On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-12-24, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:47:52 -0500, nospam wrote:
>>
>>> what setting is that?
>>
>>
>> My android photos are named by time and date.
>
> How about your Nikon pictures? How are they named?
DNG_9713.NEF; DNC_9727.NEF; then if I am shooting with a different
color space, _DNC3482.NEF
> How are your Canon pictures named too?
IMG_0633.CR2; IMG_0634.CR2
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Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 7:18:45 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 22:18:56 +0000, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> said:
> In article <cg0r4i...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
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> In article <cg0r4i...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> ...meanwhile the rest of us have already transferred our photos into
>> iPhoto and are back with our families enjoying time well spent and
>> taking more photos. The price of "closed" is so horrible! : )
>
>
>> ...meanwhile the rest of us have already transferred our photos into
>> iPhoto and are back with our families enjoying time well spent and
>> taking more photos. The price of "closed" is so horrible! : )
>
> Speaking of photos, here are a few that I took with my iPhone 6 while
> on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
>
> <https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
It works!
> on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
>
> <https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
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Ant
Dec 24, 2014, 7:19:04 PM12/24/14
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On 12/24/2014 2:43 PM PT, Patty Winter typed:
>> <https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
>
> As JR said, nice!
>
> Good thing for the rooster that that was a Starbucks and not a KFC....
And not at Carl's Jr. as shown in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlQDl4mg9sM ? :P
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>> <https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
>
> As JR said, nice!
>
> Good thing for the rooster that that was a Starbucks and not a KFC....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlQDl4mg9sM ? :P
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Dec 24, 2014, 7:20:45 PM12/24/14
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On 12/24/2014 3:00 PM PT, Michelle Steiner typed:
>>> They are industry standard.
>>
>> APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
>>
>> Industries include more than a single company.
>
> Where did you get "APPLE101" from? None of my photos have anything
> like that name.
I think he meant Apple 101. Like basics.
>>> They are industry standard.
>>
>> APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
>>
>> Industries include more than a single company.
>
> Where did you get "APPLE101" from? None of my photos have anything
> like that name.
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Dec 24, 2014, 7:24:53 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 22:21:22 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:10:08 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
>
Rod's Wedding" and fill those albums with the appropriate images.
> How about "Halloween 100 Main Street 5:01pm.jpg" alongside
> the next photo named "Halloween 110 Main Street 5:10pm.jpg",
> alongside the next one named "Halloween 5 Oak Street 5:15pm.jpg".
Why not an album named "Halloween 2014" and every shot in that album
will have capture date//time + geolocation. What is the problem?
> All this has been possible on my other mobile device for years.
> I just wanted the same usability on iOS, which is why I asked.
This isn't your other mobile devices. Get over it and learn how to live
with iOS.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:10:08 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
>
> How about "soccer game on Nov 13 2005.jpg" next to "wedding
> of Michelle and Rod Nov 14 2005.jpg"?
>
> My Android phone can easily do that.
> I just can't figure out how to get iOS to do that yet.
Create new albums named "Nov 13, 2005 Soccer Game" and "Michelle &
> of Michelle and Rod Nov 14 2005.jpg"?
>
> My Android phone can easily do that.
> I just can't figure out how to get iOS to do that yet.
Rod's Wedding" and fill those albums with the appropriate images.
> How about "Halloween 100 Main Street 5:01pm.jpg" alongside
> the next photo named "Halloween 110 Main Street 5:10pm.jpg",
> alongside the next one named "Halloween 5 Oak Street 5:15pm.jpg".
Why not an album named "Halloween 2014" and every shot in that album
will have capture date//time + geolocation. What is the problem?
> All this has been possible on my other mobile device for years.
> I just wanted the same usability on iOS, which is why I asked.
This isn't your other mobile devices. Get over it and learn how to live
with iOS.
--
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Savageduck
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Dec 24, 2014, 7:38:34 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 22:34:50 +0000, Vinny Perado <vin...@notreal.invalid> said:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:29:28 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> They are industry standard.
>
> APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
>
> Industries include more than a single company.
As a sub folder within the camera's DCIM folder it is. My Nikon uses
100ND300S in the DCIM folder.
My Canon will create a sequentially numbered folder in the DCIM folder
with the number divided into the file number + the month it was
created, so 123__08; 124__09; 125__10
My Fujifilm has the ubiquitous DCIM folder in which I find 100_FUJI
which will contain; DSCF0130.RAF; DSCF0163.RAF, etc.
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Savageduck
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:29:28 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> They are industry standard.
>
> APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
>
> Industries include more than a single company.
100ND300S in the DCIM folder.
My Canon will create a sequentially numbered folder in the DCIM folder
with the number divided into the file number + the month it was
created, so 123__08; 124__09; 125__10
My Fujifilm has the ubiquitous DCIM folder in which I find 100_FUJI
which will contain; DSCF0130.RAF; DSCF0163.RAF, etc.
--
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Savageduck
Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 7:54:50 PM12/24/14
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On 2014-12-24 22:46:21 +0000, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> said:
> In article <m7fd6e$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
> so we can concentrate on the image itself, thus all that filename stuff
> becomes immaterial. Android's photo apps aren't designed to work in
> concert with photo apps on computers, so you're stuck with using
> workarounds such as file names. You're so used to the work around that
> you don't realize that it is a work around, and think that it is as
> things should be.
> choice of computer OS; we just get our heads wrapped around why you
> would want to do it that way.
Yup! there are all sorts of non-linux methods of doing things.
My photo asset management tool is Lightroom 5.
Being a Creative Cloud subscriber I also have Lightroom Mobile
installed on my iPhone & my iPad. I have some LR collections synced to
LR Mobile, and I have LR Mobile set up to *Auto Import* any images I
capture with my iPhone. Those are then realtime synced to my desktop
LR5 and are found in the synced collection and two Lightroom library
folders for my imported iPad Photos, and imported iPhone photos. I can
rename those whatever I choose to with little to no trouble. I can
delete them from my Camera Roll as I have them in LR5 and LR Mobile.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
> In article <m7fd6e$d6l$1...@news.albasani.net>, Vinny Perado
> <vin...@notreal.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> the names make no difference whatsoever.
>>
>> Again, intelligent file names obviously make no difference to _you_,
>> but to others, they make a difference.
>
> iOS photos app and Mac OS photos app were designed to to work together
>
>>> the names make no difference whatsoever.
>>
>> Again, intelligent file names obviously make no difference to _you_,
>> but to others, they make a difference.
>
> so we can concentrate on the image itself, thus all that filename stuff
> becomes immaterial. Android's photo apps aren't designed to work in
> concert with photo apps on computers, so you're stuck with using
> workarounds such as file names. You're so used to the work around that
> you don't realize that it is a work around, and think that it is as
> things should be.
>
>> But some of us prefer to do things the easy way.
>
> We do; that's the reason we use Mac OS in conjunction with iOS.
>> But some of us prefer to do things the easy way.
>
>
>> I was just asking if iOS did things the easy way, and the answer
>> seems to be most of you don't even understand the question, nor
>> the obvious advantage of intelligent file names.
>
> Oh we understand that using file names is a work around imposed by your
>> I was just asking if iOS did things the easy way, and the answer
>> seems to be most of you don't even understand the question, nor
>> the obvious advantage of intelligent file names.
>
> choice of computer OS; we just get our heads wrapped around why you
> would want to do it that way.
Yup! there are all sorts of non-linux methods of doing things.
My photo asset management tool is Lightroom 5.
Being a Creative Cloud subscriber I also have Lightroom Mobile
installed on my iPhone & my iPad. I have some LR collections synced to
LR Mobile, and I have LR Mobile set up to *Auto Import* any images I
capture with my iPhone. Those are then realtime synced to my desktop
LR5 and are found in the synced collection and two Lightroom library
folders for my imported iPad Photos, and imported iPhone photos. I can
rename those whatever I choose to with little to no trouble. I can
delete them from my Camera Roll as I have them in LR5 and LR Mobile.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 8:00:19 PM12/24/14
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the content of the iOS CAmera DCIM folder. APPLE101 is a standard
format for Apple to fave in any iOS DCIM folder. The normal iOS user
will never see it, nor will he/she care if it exists or not. However,
if Vinny decides he wants to rename those folders he will most
certainly screw up the iOS DCIM directory.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 8:59:27 PM12/24/14
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In article <2014122415483451979-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> We have hashed this out with others locked into Linux who refuse to
> understand the idea that iOS devices are not supported within any
> version of Linux.
What makes you think it was others?
> We have hashed this out with others locked into Linux who refuse to
> understand the idea that iOS devices are not supported within any
> version of Linux.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 9:01:11 PM12/24/14
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In article <2014122416184471506-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> > Speaking of photos, here are a few that I took with my iPhone 6 while
> > on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
> >
> > <https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
>
> It works!
What works? the iPhone's camera? iCloud? iCloud photo sharing?
> > on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
> >
> > <https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
>
> It works!
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 9:01:51 PM12/24/14
to
In article <afudnYR-M4bAxQbJ...@earthlink.com>, Ant
is industry standard.
<a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >>> They are industry standard.
> >>
> >> APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
> >>
> >> Industries include more than a single company.
> >
> > Where did you get "APPLE101" from? None of my photos have anything
> > like that name.
>
> I think he meant Apple 101. Like basics.
Then he is totally off base because that naming scheme isn't Apple; it
> >>> They are industry standard.
> >>
> >> APPLE101 is an "industry" standard?
> >>
> >> Industries include more than a single company.
> >
> > Where did you get "APPLE101" from? None of my photos have anything
> > like that name.
>
> I think he meant Apple 101. Like basics.
is industry standard.
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 9:02:57 PM12/24/14
to
In article <2014122416245352093-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> > How about "soccer game on Nov 13 2005.jpg" next to "wedding
> > of Michelle and Rod Nov 14 2005.jpg"?
> >
> > My Android phone can easily do that.
> > I just can't figure out how to get iOS to do that yet.
>
> Create new albums named "Nov 13, 2005 Soccer Game" and "Michelle &
> Rod's Wedding" and fill those albums with the appropriate images.
Please don't encourage him; Rod is far from my type.
> > of Michelle and Rod Nov 14 2005.jpg"?
> >
> > My Android phone can easily do that.
> > I just can't figure out how to get iOS to do that yet.
>
> Create new albums named "Nov 13, 2005 Soccer Game" and "Michelle &
> Rod's Wedding" and fill those albums with the appropriate images.
Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 9:28:46 PM12/24/14
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That is a possibility I guess.
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Savageduck
Savageduck
Dec 24, 2014, 9:30:20 PM12/24/14
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the island.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Davoud
Dec 24, 2014, 9:50:38 PM12/24/14
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Savageduck:
Vinny Perado:
> You have that backward! :)
>
> While iOS is a nice operating system, in this particular instance,
> the problem isn't Linux. The problem is the lack of basic
> functionality in iOS.
> ...
> $ exiv2 rename img_1234.jpg
> Renames img_1234.jpg (taken on 13-Nov-05 at 22:58:31) to 20051113_225831.jpg
>
> $ exiv2 -r':basename:_%Y%m' rename img_1234.jpg
> Renames img_1234.jpg to img_1234_200511.jpg
>
> In a script:
> $ for i in $(ls *.JPG); do exiv2 -r '%Y%m%d.%H%M%S.:basename:' rename $i; done
You Linux guys tear me up with your obsession to do things the hard
way. Bring the photos into iPhoto, Aperture, or Lightroom and rename
them to your heart's content. Not available for Linux? Get a Mac.
Savageduck got it right. iOS is not for hackers. Get an Android, and
don't forget the anti-virus utilities.
--
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you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
> > I think I see your problem.
> > As I said above, stop thinking Linux.
Vinny Perado:
> You have that backward! :)
>
> While iOS is a nice operating system, in this particular instance,
> the problem isn't Linux. The problem is the lack of basic
> functionality in iOS.
> ...
> $ exiv2 rename img_1234.jpg
> Renames img_1234.jpg (taken on 13-Nov-05 at 22:58:31) to 20051113_225831.jpg
>
> $ exiv2 -r':basename:_%Y%m' rename img_1234.jpg
> Renames img_1234.jpg to img_1234_200511.jpg
>
> In a script:
> $ for i in $(ls *.JPG); do exiv2 -r '%Y%m%d.%H%M%S.:basename:' rename $i; done
You Linux guys tear me up with your obsession to do things the hard
way. Bring the photos into iPhoto, Aperture, or Lightroom and rename
them to your heart's content. Not available for Linux? Get a Mac.
Savageduck got it right. iOS is not for hackers. Get an Android, and
don't forget the anti-virus utilities.
--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 10:00:29 PM12/24/14
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In article <2014122418284535183-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2014-12-25 01:59:26 +0000, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> said:
>
> > In article <2014122415483451979-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We have hashed this out with others locked into Linux who refuse to
> >> understand the idea that iOS devices are not supported within any
> >> version of Linux.
> >
> > What makes you think it was others?
>
> So you believe he might just be one of the usual suspects wearing a fresh
> sock?
Yes, I do.
> On 2014-12-25 01:59:26 +0000, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> said:
>
> > In article <2014122415483451979-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We have hashed this out with others locked into Linux who refuse to
> >> understand the idea that iOS devices are not supported within any
> >> version of Linux.
> >
> > What makes you think it was others?
>
> So you believe he might just be one of the usual suspects wearing a fresh
> sock?
Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 10:01:10 PM12/24/14
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In article <2014122418302097922-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
-- Michelle
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2014-12-25 02:01:10 +0000, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> said:
>
> > In article <2014122416184471506-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Speaking of photos, here are a few that I took with my iPhone 6 while
> >>> on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
> >>
> >> It works!
> >
> > What works? the iPhone's camera? iCloud? iCloud photo sharing?
>
> All of the above. Nice image captures, and I hope all was enjoyable on
> the island.
It was. And thanks.
> On 2014-12-25 02:01:10 +0000, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> said:
>
> > In article <2014122416184471506-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Speaking of photos, here are a few that I took with my iPhone 6 while
> >>> on vacation in Hawaii earlier this month:
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2532ODWJpMS3v>
> >>
> >> It works!
> >
> > What works? the iPhone's camera? iCloud? iCloud photo sharing?
>
> All of the above. Nice image captures, and I hope all was enjoyable on
> the island.
-- Michelle
AV3
Dec 24, 2014, 10:04:37 PM12/24/14
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On 12/24/14, 17:35, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<m7feb6$q65$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Denny Williams
>> It's a lot more meaningful than IMG1234.JPG!
>
> Not to me; I have no idea what it means.
It allows one to classify images by precise time sequencing, e. g.,
date: year 2005, month 11, day 13_time: hour 22, minute 58, second 31.
> At least I know that
> IMG1234-jpg is the 1234th picture taken.
At a remove of several months from either classification system above, I
would be at a loss to identify a picture by either name. So I keep all
the pictures I want to save in iPhoto albums. Some pictures are in
several different albums simultaneously, like "Family Members" as well
as "Mark's Wedding."
I think Mr. Perado would find iOS conformable to Centos if he were to
create a set of folders in Centos that corresponds to albums in iPhoto
and download his photos manually to each suitable folder. His problem is
that iOS takes no heed of Linux, nor is it obliged to.
If Linux users want to use iOS devices, they will have to create their
own software to make conformity easier. I would think some form of
iTunes and iPhoto for Linux users of iOS devices would be useful. We
know that there is iTunes for Mac and iTunes for Windows. I don't use
Windows, but I suppose there are photo management program(s) in Windows
that correspond to iPhoto. Apple can sell services, devices, music,
video, ebooks, etc. to Windows users, so Apple calculatingly serves
their needs. Linux users are averse to paid software and services, so
Apple acts accordingly. Indignation about that is out of place in Apple
products news groups. It is entirely an internal Linux problem.
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> In article<m7feb6$q65$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Denny Williams
>> It's a lot more meaningful than IMG1234.JPG!
>
> Not to me; I have no idea what it means.
It allows one to classify images by precise time sequencing, e. g.,
date: year 2005, month 11, day 13_time: hour 22, minute 58, second 31.
> At least I know that
> IMG1234-jpg is the 1234th picture taken.
At a remove of several months from either classification system above, I
would be at a loss to identify a picture by either name. So I keep all
the pictures I want to save in iPhoto albums. Some pictures are in
several different albums simultaneously, like "Family Members" as well
as "Mark's Wedding."
I think Mr. Perado would find iOS conformable to Centos if he were to
create a set of folders in Centos that corresponds to albums in iPhoto
and download his photos manually to each suitable folder. His problem is
that iOS takes no heed of Linux, nor is it obliged to.
If Linux users want to use iOS devices, they will have to create their
own software to make conformity easier. I would think some form of
iTunes and iPhoto for Linux users of iOS devices would be useful. We
know that there is iTunes for Mac and iTunes for Windows. I don't use
Windows, but I suppose there are photo management program(s) in Windows
that correspond to iPhoto. Apple can sell services, devices, music,
video, ebooks, etc. to Windows users, so Apple calculatingly serves
their needs. Linux users are averse to paid software and services, so
Apple acts accordingly. Indignation about that is out of place in Apple
products news groups. It is entirely an internal Linux problem.
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Michelle Steiner
Dec 24, 2014, 10:40:46 PM12/24/14
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In article <m7fus4$d1u$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
And is completely unnecessary with any halfway decent image management
software.
> > At least I know that
> > IMG1234-jpg is the 1234th picture taken.
>
>
> At a remove of several months from either classification system above, I
> would be at a loss to identify a picture by either name. So I keep all
> the pictures I want to save in iPhoto albums. Some pictures are in
> several different albums simultaneously, like "Family Members" as well
> as "Mark's Wedding."
Same here.
-- Michelle
<arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
> >>
> >> It's a lot more meaningful than IMG1234.JPG!
> >
> > Not to me; I have no idea what it means.
>
>
> It allows one to classify images by precise time sequencing, e. g.,
> date: year 2005, month 11, day 13_time: hour 22, minute 58, second 31.
Oh. That tells you when it was taken, but nothing about what it is.
> >>> I don't see that 20051113_225831.jpg is meaningful at all.
> >>
> >> It's a lot more meaningful than IMG1234.JPG!
> >
> > Not to me; I have no idea what it means.
>
>
> It allows one to classify images by precise time sequencing, e. g.,
> date: year 2005, month 11, day 13_time: hour 22, minute 58, second 31.
And is completely unnecessary with any halfway decent image management
software.
> > At least I know that
> > IMG1234-jpg is the 1234th picture taken.
>
>
> At a remove of several months from either classification system above, I
> would be at a loss to identify a picture by either name. So I keep all
> the pictures I want to save in iPhoto albums. Some pictures are in
> several different albums simultaneously, like "Family Members" as well
> as "Mark's Wedding."
-- Michelle
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