Screen Protectors Still Needed?

[Wade Garrett]

Got my nose pressed against the front window watching for FedEx to
arrive with my new iPhone SE 2 today.

I installed tempered glass screen protectors on my last few phones but
am wondering if the newer ones still need them...

--
The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the
naughty girls live.

[sms]

On 12/29/2020 8:26 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
> Got my nose pressed against the front window watching for FedEx to
> arrive with my new iPhone SE 2 today.
>
> I installed tempered glass screen protectors on my last few phones but
> am wondering if the newer ones still need them...

With the iPhone 12 (Corning Ceramic Shield) probably no need (same as
with the flagship Samsung phones with Gorilla Glass Victus) but with the
iPhone SE 2020 a screen protector is still a good idea.

The iPhone 12 has another advantage as well, the glass lies flush with
the frame instead of bulging out.

With the iPhone 6/6s/7/8/SE2 you also still probably want to use a case
with edges that are slightly above the level of the glass.

[Chris]

Wade Garrett <wa...@cooler.net> wrote:
> Got my nose pressed against the front window watching for FedEx to
> arrive with my new iPhone SE 2 today.
>
> I installed tempered glass screen protectors on my last few phones but
> am wondering if the newer ones still need them...
>

I've never used them on iphones. My original SE never had one and after
four years of daily use only had a tiny little scratch on it.

[nospam]

In article <rsg1fv$a15$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> With the iPhone 12 (Corning Ceramic Shield) probably no need (same as
> with the flagship Samsung phones with Gorilla Glass Victus) but with the
> iPhone SE 2020 a screen protector is still a good idea.
>
> The iPhone 12 has another advantage as well, the glass lies flush with
> the frame instead of bulging out.
>
> With the iPhone 6/6s/7/8/SE2 you also still probably want to use a case
> with edges that are slightly above the level of the glass.

you don't actually own an iphone, do you?

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 11:53:34 -0800, sms wrote:

> With the iPhone 12 (Corning Ceramic Shield) probably no need (same as
> with the flagship Samsung phones with Gorilla Glass Victus) but with the
> iPhone SE 2020 a screen protector is still a good idea.

What's sad is how easily Apple Apologists eat up Apple MARKETING bullshit.
o None of these apologists appear to own any independent thought processes

"Both iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro have the same glass back panel
yet only the latter shattered despite the stronger frame.
On the front-facing test iPhone 12 still cracked on its first drop."

See actual FACTS (not pure Apple MARKETING bullshit) on the glass hardness:
o Iphone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11 but the "ceramic shield" force resistance is appreciably greater
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/nyr9qFmstXo/m/GyGO5mdVCgAJ>

*The iPhone 12 had significantly better force resistance*:
o iPhone 11 screen cracked at 352 Newtons
o iPhone 12 screen cracked at 442 Newtons

But the Mohs hardness was about the same on all counts:
o iPhone 11 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs
o iPhone 12 front screen scratched (less) at #7 Mohs

o iPhone 11 back glass scratched at #7 Mohs (?)
o iPhone 12 back glass scratched at #7 Mohs (?)

o iPhone 11 camera lens scratched at #8 Mohs
o iPhone 12 camera lens scratched at #8 Mohs

Bear in mind that normal boring glass scratches between 6 & 7.

> The iPhone 12 has another advantage as well, the glass lies flush with
> the frame instead of bulging out.
> With the iPhone 6/6s/7/8/SE2 you also still probably want to use a case
> with edges that are slightly above the level of the glass.

On this, Steve, a Type II apologist, is actually correct.

"The glass on the iPhone 12 lies flush with the metal frame rather
than curved up like in previous models which left more of the
glass exposed."
--
Bringing TRUTH via obvious and well cited facts to Apple newsgroups.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 11:26:44 -0500, Wade Garrett wrote:

> am wondering if the newer ones still need them...

Apologists like Wade Garret are always _months_ behind on the news...
o They aren't even aware of the FACTS which have been tested & reported

Apologists don't ever seem to own any adult cognitive skills independent
of what Apple MARKETING (rather cleverly) feeds them to believe...

For example, please see this duplicate thread posted months ago:

o Iphone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11 but the "ceramic shield" force resistance is appreciably greater
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/nyr9qFmstXo/>

See also this related thread, which is not by an apologist:
o Harder to crack iPhone 4S' screen than iPhone 6+'s screen?, by Ant
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/KUk9d5McvAQ/>
--
Apologists are always late to the facts because they don't read any news.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 15:04:07 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> With the iPhone 12 (Corning Ceramic Shield) probably no need (same as
>> with the flagship Samsung phones with Gorilla Glass Victus) but with the
>> iPhone SE 2020 a screen protector is still a good idea.

> you don't actually own an iphone, do you?

FACTS nospam...

Lack of facts is always the defining weakness of all you Apple apologists.
o Independent tests _never_ seem to confirm Apple MARKETING bullshit.

"*iPhone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11*"

"*On the front-facing test iPhone 12 still cracked on its first drop*"

o Independent tests show Iphone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/nyr9qFmstXo/>
--
The problem with the child-like Apple newsgroups is a lack of actual facts.

[Lewis]

In message <rsg1fv$a15$1...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> With the iPhone 6/6s/7/8/SE2 you also still probably want to use a case
> with edges that are slightly above the level of the glass.

Only if you do not care about being able to swipe left<->right without
bumping into a case.

The solution is to treat your phone like it is worth several hundred
dollars and not like, say, a plastic frisbee.

--
...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not
explain his nudity.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 29.12.20 um 17:26 schrieb Wade Garrett:

> Got my nose pressed against the front window watching for FedEx to
> arrive with my new iPhone SE 2 today.
>
> I installed tempered glass screen protectors on my last few phones but
> am wondering if the newer ones still need them...

They never needed them. Some users just put one on.
It is much smarter top buy a case with edges higher than the glass.

[sms]

The tempered glass screen protector and the case with higher edges are
complementary. The glass on the lower-end phones is more prone to
scratching.

[nospam]

In article <rsga70$5ng$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> It is much smarter top buy a case with edges higher than the glass.

that won't protect frontal impacts and can also interfere with touch at
the edges.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 15:16:17 -0800, sms wrote:

> The tempered glass screen protector and the case with higher edges are
> complementary. The glass on the lower-end phones is more prone to
> scratching.

As always, Steve always proves to be a canonical Type II apologist

That means he's not malicious like Type III apologists
o But that means he believes _everything_ Apple MARKETING fed him

Without even _once_ double-checking the facts.

FACTS:

"*iPhone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11*"
"*On the front-facing test iPhone 12 still cracked on its first drop*"

o Independent tests show iPhone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:52:41 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> It is much smarter top buy a case with edges higher than the glass.
>
> that won't protect frontal impacts and can also interfere with touch at
> the edges.

Hi nospam,

I have a ten-dollar rubberized case for my $100 Moto G7 which has a lip
o Then I paid something like ten bucks or so for 3 glass protectors

I've already broken one glass protector so I'm on my second one now
o <https://i.postimg.cc/13zk6fjM/protector01.jpg>

But I don't have any problem whatsoever with "touch at the edges"
o What's wrong with iPhones that they can't work properly with a raised-lip case?
--
Apologists' excuses for all the flaws in iPhones turn out to be enormous.

[nospam]

In article <rsgm6q$n7n$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen_...@newmachines.com> wrote:

> o What's wrong with iPhones that they can't work properly with a raised-lip case?

it's not the phone that's the problem, it's the case.

some cases cover more of the front surface than others, and in some
cases, cover enough of the edge to where it can cause touch issues at
the periphery. the bulkier ones often have a steep rake, making it even
more annoying.

other cases have no issue whatsoever.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 21:26:35 -0500, nospam wrote:

> it's not the phone that's the problem, it's the case.

Hi nospam,

For the second time today, I'm pleasantly surprised that you responded like
a normal purposefully helpful adult in two ways (are you feeling ok?)...
1. You didn't just blindly deny everything (e.g., like Alan Baker does)
2. You responded to the facts of the matter (even with logic and sense)

I appreciate that as it's what adults habitually do.
o Note: My strategy, always, is to mirror the presumed intent of the poster

As for the case, I don't doubt that some cases are good & some must suck.
o Me? I am brutal on phones, so I _love_ my cases & screen protectors

I broke my last screen protector simply by biting down on it while I was up
on the roof on a ladder and I didn't have enough hands to snap a photo.

> some cases cover more of the front surface than others, and in some
> cases, cover enough of the edge to where it can cause touch issues at
> the periphery. the bulkier ones often have a steep rake, making it even
> more annoying.
>
> other cases have no issue whatsoever.

Understood.

In the case of the Moto G7, there's a slight bevel to the native screen
o And there's a notch such that the screen protector has to go around it

The case, in my case, is all rubber with external plastic reinforcement
o However, I've dropped it so many times that the plastic is partly busted

But the rubber has a lip which seems (so far) to have protected the glass
o But, as you logically noted, nothing is gonna protect a hit on the glass'

My main point in this thread was to bring the FACTS to the fore of the
glass as tested by _independent_ testers (i.e., not by Apple MARKETING).

My main fault with, for example, Steve, is he never seems to check facts
o My main fault with, for example, Lewis, is he's a cultist par excellence

Neither is good.
o A lot of folks think I'm hard on Apple but that's 'cuz I believe in facts

I generally don't believe the MARKETING claims that Apple glass is better
than everyone elses' glass, although the iPhone 12 did have a better
hardness than most, but its scratch resistance was just normal.

Plus, the back is glass, which just sucks in my humblest of opinions.
o I realize a lot of people care how a glass phone "feels" in their hands

But all I care about is how the phone works in my hands.
o The less glass it has (i.e., on the back), the better.

Back to independent tests, I could look up more, but this one I quoted:
o The results are, well, underwhelming, based on the MARKETING hype (IMHO).

The iPhone 12 had significantly better force resistance:

o iPhone 11 screen cracked at 352 Newtons
o iPhone 12 screen cracked at 442 Newtons

But the Mohs hardness was about the same on all counts:
o iPhone 11 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs

o iPhone 12 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs

o iPhone 11 back glass scratched at #7 Mohs

o iPhone 12 back glass scratched at #7 Mohs

o iPhone 11 camera lens scratched at #8 Mohs
o iPhone 12 camera lens scratched at #8 Mohs

--

[Fred]

"Wade Garrett" <wa...@cooler.net> wrote in message
news:rsflc6$bci$1...@dont-email.me...

> Got my nose pressed against the front window watching for FedEx to arrive
> with my new iPhone SE 2 today.
>
> I installed tempered glass screen protectors on my last few phones but am
> wondering if the newer ones still need them...

Really depends on how you deal with your phone.
I have never bothered but I do always have it in its own
jeans or shorts pocket, never have the keys or anything
else in that pocket and hardly ever drop the phone.
I do have a soft silicon backshell and that has
helped with the very rare drop, even face down.

[Wade Garrett]

On 12/29/20 11:26 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
> Got my nose pressed against the front window watching for FedEx to
> arrive with my new iPhone SE 2 today.
>
> I installed tempered glass screen protectors on my last few phones but
> am wondering if the newer ones still need them...

> se

Thanks for all the advice.

Rummaging through the "cellphone & electronics stuff" drawer in my desk,
I noticed that I had purchased a 3-pack of screen protectors for an
iPhone 6s. That phone has the same dimensions and control locations as
my new SE2.

There are still two unused ones in the pack- so I might as well put one
on the new phone.

--
Karl Marx is an historically prominent figure...but no one ever mentions
his wife Onya who invented the Starter’s Pistol...

[Alan Browne]

On 2020-12-29 11:26, Wade Garrett wrote:
> Got my nose pressed against the front window watching for FedEx to
> arrive with my new iPhone SE 2 today.
>
> I installed tempered glass screen protectors on my last few phones but
> am wondering if the newer ones still need them...
>

I used one on my 4, not on my 6+.

I don't have one on the 11. It already has a significant scratch after
1 year and several days. I don't know how that happened - but a screen
film would have likely prevented it.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 16:19:04 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> I used one on my 4, not on my 6+.

The point is that Apple "glass" is nothing more than "regular glass" with a
whole lotta' MARKETING attached - and yet - it scratches almost the same.

"*On the front-facing test iPhone 12 still cracked on its first drop*"

o Independent tests show Iphone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/nyr9qFmstXo/>

About the only real difference with Apple glass is the fancy name.
o Boring plain old window glass scratches at somewhere around #6 to #7 Mohs
o The iPhone 11 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs
o The iPhone 12 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs

HINT: Same scratches, where MARKETING gives them an (expensive) fancy name.

> I don't have one on the 11. It already has a significant scratch after
> 1 year and several days. I don't know how that happened - but a screen
> film would have likely prevented it.

FACTS:'

The point is that Apple "glass" is nothing more than "regular glass" with a
whole lotta' MARKETING attached - and yet - it scratches almost the same.
o The iPhone 11 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs
o The iPhone 12 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs
o Bear in mind normal boring window glass scratches between 6 & 7 Mohs.

Facts:

o Independent tests show iPhone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/nyr9qFmstXo/>
--

Apple is not an R&D powerhouse; Apple is clearly a MARKETING powerhouse.

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 10:59:47 -0500, Wade Garrett wrote:

> There are still two unused ones in the pack- so I might as well put one
> on the new phone.

Despite Wade Garrett being a Type III apologist, this is a good choice.
o About the only real difference with Apple glass is the fancy name.

Boring plain old window glass scratches at somewhere around #6 to #7 Mohs
o The iPhone 11 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs
o The iPhone 12 front screen scratched at #7 Mohs

--
The only difference with Apple glass is the expense for the fancy name.

[sms]

On 12/30/2020 1:19 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

<snip>

> I don't have one on the 11.  It already has a significant scratch after
> 1 year and several days.  I don't know how that happened - but a screen
> film would have likely prevented it.

Hopefully on the 12 the new glass will prevent scratches. The screen
protectors are not really to protect against screen breakage, you need a
case with raised edges for that, it's just to prevent scratches. The
glass screen protectors are a lot nicer than the old film screen protectors.

[nospam]

In article <rslo1u$h5f$2...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> Hopefully on the 12 the new glass will prevent scratches. The screen
> protectors are not really to protect against screen breakage, you need a
> case with raised edges for that, it's just to prevent scratches.

false.

a case with raised edges does nothing to prevent breakage, however, it
does help with scratches when the phone is placed face down on a table.

some screen protectors can protect against breakage, including being
hit with a hammer:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsxl1bRTldo>

> The
> glass screen protectors are a lot nicer than the old film screen protectors.

that depends on which ones. some glass screen protectors are thick
enough that they interfere with touch responsiveness or themselves
shatter, and while most film protectors are cheap crap, some are not,
with little to no effect on responsiveness.

[Lewis]

In message <rslo1u$h5f$2...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 12/30/2020 1:19 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

> <snip>

>> I don't have one on the 11.  It already has a significant scratch after
>> 1 year and several days.  I don't know how that happened - but a screen
>> film would have likely prevented it.

> Hopefully on the 12 the new glass will prevent scratches.

You cannot prevent scratches.

> The screen protectors are not really to protect against screen
> breakage, you need a case with raised edges for that,

No, you need to treat your phone with care, that is all. And not that
much care, even. They are exceptionally resilient now. Mu 11 got a very
small scuff on the upper right corner when the phone was knocked out of
my hand in a parking lot and fell on the asphalt.

> The glass screen protectors are a lot nicer than the old film screen
> protectors.

They are better than the film, but are still pretty much shit.

--
I CAN'T SEE DEAD PEOPLE Bart chalkboard Ep. BABF05

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:49:17 -0800, sms wrote:

> Hopefully on the 12 the new glass will prevent scratches. The screen
> protectors are not really to protect against screen breakage, you need a
> case with raised edges for that, it's just to prevent scratches. The
> glass screen protectors are a lot nicer than the old film screen protectors.

As always, both Steve & Alan Browne are Type II apologists to the core.

That means they're not vicious & malicious (like Type III apologists).
o They're just stupid.

Actually, they're not stupid like Type III apologists (i.e., low IQ)
o They simply just don't ever bother to doublecheck facts

These Type II apologists _believe_ the bullshit Apple MARKETING feeds them
o Even though independent tests show this glass scratches the same

What's shocking, always, is (a) how _brilliant_ Apple MARKETING is
o And, in turn (b) how ignorant these Type II apologists are.

Apple could never make those ungodly profit margins without them.
--
Note: Type II apologists are similar to normal stupid people
o Which I define as people who couldn't possibly earn an engineering degree
(or any science degree, simply because facts are anathema to them).

[Fred]

"Lewis" <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote in message
news:slrnrutdd5....@promini.local...

> In message <rslo1u$h5f$2...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 12/30/2020 1:19 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>
>>> I don't have one on the 11. It already has a significant scratch after
>>> 1 year and several days. I don't know how that happened - but a screen
>>> film would have likely prevented it.
>
>> Hopefully on the 12 the new glass will prevent scratches.
>
> You cannot prevent scratches.

Corse you can. None on my 5 or 6S and I got both soon
after they were first released and use them every day and
they are with me whenever I am out of the house.

[Lewis]

In message <i5cctm...@mid.individual.net> Fred <hju...@hotnail.com> wrote:


> "Lewis" <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote in message
> news:slrnrutdd5....@promini.local...
>> In message <rslo1u$h5f$2...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2020 1:19 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>>>> I don't have one on the 11. It already has a significant scratch after
>>>> 1 year and several days. I don't know how that happened - but a screen
>>>> film would have likely prevented it.
>>
>>> Hopefully on the 12 the new glass will prevent scratches.
>>
>> You cannot prevent scratches.

> Corse you can. None on my 5 or 6S and I got both soon
> after they were first released and use them every day and
> they are with me whenever I am out of the house.

No, you didn’t have your phone in a situation where it would be
scratched, you didn't PREVENT anything.

You may drive a car your entire life and not ever have a car crash, that
does not mean you prevented car crashes.

--
Love seekest only self to please, To bind another to its delight Joys
in another's loss of ease And builds a hell in Heaven's despite!

[sms]

On 1/2/2021 3:11 PM, Fred wrote:
>
>
> "Lewis" <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote in message

<snip>

>> You cannot prevent scratches.
>
> Corse you can. None on my 5 or 6S and I got both soon
> after they were first released and use them every day and
> they are with me whenever I am out of the house.

<snip>

Lewis is wrong of course™.

Both the plastic film and the glass screen protectors do an excellent
job of preventing scratches. You may want to turn up the screen
sensitivity a bit when a screen protector is used.

In the event that you sell your used phones yourself, having kept them
in a case, and with a screen protector, makes them much more attractive
to buyers since they're getting a "like new" phone, at least cosmetically.

[nospam]

In article <rssv4h$h07$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Both the plastic film and the glass screen protectors do an excellent
> job of preventing scratches.

what you fail to understand is the screen protector can easily be
scratched, especially since it's made of softer material than the
phone's glass.

what you also fail to understand is that the phone's glass without a
screen protector does not scratch in typical use. it takes effort.

> You may want to turn up the screen
> sensitivity a bit when a screen protector is used.

there is no such adjustment.

any screen protector that causes touch issues is garbage and should not
be used.

> In the event that you sell your used phones yourself, having kept them
> in a case, and with a screen protector, makes them much more attractive
> to buyers since they're getting a "like new" phone, at least cosmetically.

nope, since the rest of the phone will have wear, including scratches,
dents and even cracked glass.

[Lewis]

In message <rssv4h$h07$1...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 1/2/2021 3:11 PM, Fred wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Lewis" <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote in message

> <snip>

>>> You cannot prevent scratches.
>>
>> Corse you can. None on my 5 or 6S and I got both soon
>> after they were first released and use them every day and
>> they are with me whenever I am out of the house.

> <snip>

> Lewis is wrong of course™.

And your opinion is worse less that what you drop in the toilet.

--
2 is not equal to 3, not even for large values of 2. Grabel's Law

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:030120211302195190%nos...@nospam.invalid...

None of mine do because I have a soft silicon backshell.

> including scratches, dents and even cracked glass.

None of mine have any of that. But I hardly ever
drop a phone and never have anything else in the
pocket that the phone is in when out of the house.

[Fred]

"Lewis" <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote in message

news:slrnrv22ih....@promini.local...

> In message <i5cctm...@mid.individual.net> Fred <hju...@hotnail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> "Lewis" <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote in message
>> news:slrnrutdd5....@promini.local...
>>> In message <rslo1u$h5f$2...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 12/30/2020 1:19 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> I don't have one on the 11. It already has a significant scratch
>>>>> after
>>>>> 1 year and several days. I don't know how that happened - but a
>>>>> screen
>>>>> film would have likely prevented it.
>>>
>>>> Hopefully on the 12 the new glass will prevent scratches.
>>>
>>> You cannot prevent scratches.
>
>> Corse you can. None on my 5 or 6S and I got both soon
>> after they were first released and use them every day and
>> they are with me whenever I am out of the house.

> No, you didn’t have your phone in a situation where it
> would be scratched, you didn't PREVENT anything.

II PREVENTED it from getting scratched by never having
anything else in the pocket when out and about and
never putting it face down when not in a pocket.

> You may drive a car your entire life and not ever have a
> car crash, that does not mean you prevented car crashes.

But when I never having anything else in the pocket
when out and about and never put it face down when
not in a pocket and hardly ever drop a phone I have
indeed PREVENTED the screen from getting scratched.

And you are wrong about car crashes too. You
can prevent most of them by anticipating how
stupid some drivers can be and driving safely
and by ensuring that the car has no defects and
fixing any faults which can cause a car crash.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 13:02:19 -0500, nospam wrote:

> what you also fail to understand is that the phone's glass without a
> screen protector does not scratch in typical use. it takes effort.

Hi nospam,

FACTS

What _you_ fail to understand is the iPhone 12 scratched the same as the
iPhone 11, both of which were _barely_ better than plain window glass.

o Independent tests show Iphone 12 scratch resistance same as iPhone 11
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/nyr9qFmstXo/>

>> You may want to turn up the screen
>> sensitivity a bit when a screen protector is used.
>
> there is no such adjustment.

I was wondering about that as Steve is a canonical Type II apologist
o He never double checks his facts (he believes whatever he hears)
--
Someone needs to counter the utter bullshit from the Apple apologists.

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 11:59:09 +1100, Fred wrote:

> And you are wrong about car crashes too.

Who wants to bet this "Fred" is one of the "Rod Speed" trolls?

[Arlen Holder]

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 11:49:22 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> None of mine have any of that. But I hardly ever
> drop a phone and never have anything else in the
> pocket that the phone is in when out of the house.

I'm not sure where to put the many "Rod Speed" trolls when it comes to
categorizing the apologists but he and this "Fred" are one & the same:
o <https://alt.fan.rod-speed.narkive.com/>

The very many Rod Speed trolls are in a category in and of themselves.
o Obituary - Rod Speed
<https://groups.google.com/g/aus.electronics/c/FUvM5PNjBIs>

o Australia's worst troll & Rod Speed trolls
<https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2065877>

o Sunny is formerly known as "Rod Speed" - infamous and hated to death usenet troll. Everyone ignore this troll fuck until he goes away.
<https://aus.politics.narkive.com/npVdvUmf/sunny-is-formerly-known-as-rod-speed-infamous-and-hated-to-death-usenet-troll-everyone-ignore-this>

[Andreas Rutishauser]

In article <030120211302195190%nos...@nospam.invalid>,

what about "kept them in a case" did you not understand?

[nospam]

In article <andreas-77F52D...@news.individual.de>, Andreas

Rutishauser <and...@macandreas.ch> wrote:

> > > In the event that you sell your used phones yourself, having kept them
> > > in a case, and with a screen protector, makes them much more attractive
> > > to buyers since they're getting a "like new" phone, at least cosmetically.
> >
> > nope, since the rest of the phone will have wear, including scratches,
> > dents and even cracked glass.
>
> what about "kept them in a case" did you not understand?

cases vary.

most do not protect that much and can cause wear underneath the case
and at the edges of the case, including the camera aperture, especially
if dirt gets inside.

some cases are not really cases, such as the bumper style which only
covers the edges of the phone, leaving the front and back fully
exposed.

there are a few cases that do provide full protection, but they're
bulky and inconvenient, best suited for those who actually need them.

tl;dr - even with a case, phones are still vulnerable to wear, dents
and cracked glass.