So, who got iOS v14? ;)

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So, who got iOS v14? ;)
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[Your Name]

On 2020-09-17 01:37:48 +0000, Ant said:
>
> So, who got iOS v14? ;)

Some developers are saying to wait before upgrading to iOS 14 because
they claim they haven't had time to update their apps.
<https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/iosapps/dont-install-ios-14-3795312/>

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 17.09.20 um 05:16 schrieb Your Name:

Bullshit.
Done. No Probs.

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:08:32 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> Bullshit.
> Done. No Probs.

I think it's neat that iOS 14 allows you to block tracking stuff.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 17.09.20 um 05:16 schrieb Your Name:

BTW that does not mean they don't work anymore. The code base of iOS 14
is more than 90% the same as it was in 13.

It is a trade off whether you want/need the iOS 14 more than you
need/want *all* apps be compliant.

At any given point in time you will find apps that are older than the OS.

[Lewis]

In message <yaOdnQjjR4pxIP_C...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> So, who got iOS v14? ;)

Millions and millions of people.

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[Lewis]

In message <rjv34o$7us$1...@dont-email.me> Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 17.09.20 um 05:16 schrieb Your Name:
>> On 2020-09-17 01:37:48 +0000, Ant said:
>>>
>>> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>>
>> Some developers are saying to wait before upgrading to iOS 14 because
>> they claim they haven't had time to update their apps.
>> <https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/iosapps/dont-install-ios-14-3795312/>

> BTW that does not mean they don't work anymore. The code base of iOS 14
> is more than 90% the same as it was in 13.

Any application that runs in iOS 13 and breaks in iOS 13 is a badly
written app.

There are new features in iOS 14 that will not be in old apps until.if
they are updated, but there is nothing that will break under iOS 14
unless the developer was doing dumb bullshit.

> It is a trade off whether you want/need the iOS 14 more than you
> need/want *all* apps be compliant.

It's a good time to week out the apps that are written by incompetent
morons.

> At any given point in time you will find apps that are older than the OS.

And that is not generally a problem. I think I still have some iOS 12
apps that work just fine, but it is very difficult to check that
anymore.


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it's too dark to read.

[houn...@yahoo.co.uk]

On 17/09/2020 02:37, Ant wrote:
> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>

Upgraded on Wednesday evening.

So, when's iOS 15 coming out? ;)

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:10:47 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> And that is not generally a problem. I think I still have some iOS 12
> apps that work just fine, but it is very difficult to check that
> anymore.

I don't update the iOS unless there is something compelling in the iOS,
which I haven't seen in many years, where I've found it takes about three
major release versions before apps begin to break down.

I have iPads on iOS 11.x still working fine (although the grandkids are who
generally use them, but they're not complaining).

I did accidentally update my own $300 Costco iPad, about a year or so ago,
so it's no longer on the iOS it was born with.

There's never been anything compelling in any iOS release that I wanted to
bother to update to.

[nospam]

In article <rjvnje$ks$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, <"houn...@yahoo.co.uk">
wrote:

>
> So, when's iOS 15 coming out? ;)

september 2021

[Lewis]

In message <slrnrm6o2m....@ProMini.lan> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <rjv34o$7us$1...@dont-email.me> Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 17.09.20 um 05:16 schrieb Your Name:
>>> On 2020-09-17 01:37:48 +0000, Ant said:
>>>>
>>>> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>>>
>>> Some developers are saying to wait before upgrading to iOS 14 because
>>> they claim they haven't had time to update their apps.
>>> <https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/iosapps/dont-install-ios-14-3795312/>

>> BTW that does not mean they don't work anymore. The code base of iOS 14
>> is more than 90% the same as it was in 13.

> Any application that runs in iOS 13 and breaks in iOS 13 is a badly

iOS 14

--
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[badgolferman]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> So, who got iOS v14? ;)

Your signature is way too long.

For those of you who’ve installed iOS 14, are you using the new features
and what is your opinion of them?

[houn...@yahoo.co.uk]

I've not really noticed any fundamental changes, to be honest, though
perhaps the fact that I have a first-generation SE has something to do
with it.

I did notice that the option to delete a mail message is now called
'Bin' for UK settings, rather than the American term 'Trash.'

[Your Name]

In about 12 months time. :-p
But before that you'll have updates to 14.1, 14.2, 14.3, ...

[badgolferman]

I thought there were significant changes like different acting Widgets,
File Drawer, redesigned Home page, etc.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Widgets was well shall we say...underwhelming.

https://youtu.be/RlBr2fyqn9g

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 21:09:52 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> I thought there were significant changes like different acting Widgets,
> File Drawer, redesigned Home page, etc.

Hi badgolferman,

You're not an apologist so you can handle messages containing nuance.
o Normally I have to vastly oversimplify messages for the apologists.

But you can handle this assessment which factors in nuanced details...
o There's nothing of import in iOS 14, and yet, there's more than normally there.

In fact, we've been keeping track of all the news on iOS 14 for quite some time,
for example, in May we talked about...
o Leaked iOS 14 code obtained by 9to5Mac gives clues about many details on what to expect in Septemver 2020
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/FpXEfvE77s0>

And in June, we talked about:
o iOS 14 leak shows rumored "Enable Voice Call Recording" option which proves, yet again, it's not the hardware that severely limits iOS app functionality - it's Apple
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/VOhhulLyQXY>

And in July, we talked about:
o Copy, paste catastrophe: how Apple's iOS 14 disrupted clipboard espionage
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/NehSRB4Ka-8>

In August, we talked about a LOT of things that popped up in the beta, e.g.,
o Facebook warns developers that iOS 14 privacy settings will tank their ad targeting business
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/zPsbXVUioZs>

And how Apple, in September, reacted to some of those iOS 14 criticisms:
o Apple apparently succumbs to pressure from Facebook on privacy rollout in iOS 14
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1Zni1ceIQF8>

Where all along, we've been discussing the new iOS 14 developments:
?o In iOS 14 Apple finally gives users control to fully block requests to be tracked by apps
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/9Kk4qV8tj9A>

o Apple iOS14 tailored ad permission popup reputedly not employing European permission standards
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/C4alXQ096Mg>

o Apple Seeds First Betas of iOS 14 and iPadOS 14 to Public Beta Testers
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/YT4frr9NkMA>

o iOS 14 has a free offline language translation app similar to Google translate
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/0-S699n1-qU>
--
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[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-16 21:37, Ant wrote:
> So, who got iOS v14? ;)

Updated last night. Because I run old software on my Mac, I need to
upgrade on first day to verify compatibiulity and if not, be able to DFU
install the older version while Apple still signs it.

Requires going through all settings to turn off some of the stuff that
gets turned on (and had to turn on the (unreadable grey on grey)
transmiscripto of what I saw to Siri.


A few unwanted settings, but generally, the phone feels like before.
Siri has changed and enabling the transsciption of what your are saying
doesn't make much difference as it is grey on grey in small font. (Jony
Ive leftovers despite my iPhoen having all the geriatric settings to
disabhle Jony Ive,s transparence, use large fonts, use bold, increase
contrast etc).


Of course it has only been one day.


Compatible with Itines 12.3 and iPhoto. (though like before iPhoto no
longer has the ability to delete photos from the phone, you hyave to use
previous from that).


Upgrade was done via iTunes. (which forces it to download an update
after having downloaded the IOS update and before installing it).

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-16 21:37, Ant wrote:

> So, who got iOS v14? ;)

BTW, quite surprised to see requests for services.

Had to authorize Mobile Mouse Pro to access my wi-fi

Had to re-authorize Twitter to access my pictures.


Net Analizer also triggered the requested to access my local letwork,
but while on that dialogue, the traceroute was working, so access was
granted to app before I answered the dialogue.

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-17 14:00, badgolferman wrote:

> For those of you who’ve installed iOS 14, are you using the new features
> and what is your opinion of them?

I noticed the camera app removed the stupid uselless square image mode.
But there is now and obsrice little wiggle at top of screen which, when
you press, less you choose aspect ration, square, 4:3 or 16:9. (for
photos, I beleive the 16:9 is new).

Also, if you keep the sguttle biutton pressed in a "photo" mode, it
shoots a movie instead of a burst of still images. (there is a way to
get burst of images, but forgot what it was). You get a short screen
when you first launch the camera app that explains changes.


I finally agreed to go to 2FA for the phone, then gradually did it on my
computers:

High Sierra Mac Pro: easy.
Xserve Snow Leopard: iTunes refused, no matter how often I tried the
passwordNNNNNN trick (where you obtain NNNNN from iPhone in the "get
verification code"). I was able to get the App Store to connect with
the trick though so I assume the Xserve has been authenticated.

Itunes 11.1 (I think) refuses to connect to Apple and I have to assume
it is due to its age).


On my Yosemite laptop, it took much longer. Upon waking it, it prompted
for iCloud password, I entered xxxxxNNNNNN , didn't work, Entered
password only, didn't work.

In the end, after much mucking about, I had to go into settings, on the
icloud page, sign off, and sign back in. At that point, after entering
password only, I got a dialogue to enter the 6 digits which my iPhone
automatically displayed. Enterelin xxxxxNNNNNN didn't work when already
logged in.

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-17 17:09, badgolferman wrote:

> I thought there were significant changes like different acting Widgets,
> File Drawer, redesigned Home page, etc.

By default, your "desktop" is preserved but you have additional
capabilities should you want to re-arrange it and use that librarty thingy.

I you swipe left from home page (in Canada never of any use unil recent
when news was added), you now get widget thingies.



Update: if you swipe right past your last page, you get to the "welcoe
to App library" setup page. You can swipe left to not do anything.

[Lewis]

In message <rk0g1j$1t8n$1...@gioia.aioe.org> houn...@yahoo.co.uk <houn...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 17/09/2020 19:00, badgolferman wrote:
>> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>>
>> Your signature is way too long.
>>
>> For those of you who’ve installed iOS 14, are you using the new features
>> and what is your opinion of them?
>>
> I've not really noticed any fundamental changes, to be honest, though
> perhaps the fact that I have a first-generation SE has something to do
> with it.

I like being able to reply o a specific message in Messages, creating a
sort of threaded chat. This is useful sometimes.

I love the new widgets. My phone is down to a single screen with a
widget at the top showing 8 Siri-suggested apps, a widget in the middle
that is a stack of various shortcuts (4 per stack item, 5 stacks).

Below that are the 8 apps I use most that are not the four apps in the
dock

Everything else is in the new Apple Library which is also smart, making
most tertiary apps available in a single tap.

Lots of apps updated in the last day have added support for widgets of
various kinds. I've not had time to look into the 3rd party widgets yet.

I also really like being able to pin conversations to the top of the
message list so my family groups are always above any random other
message.

Safari translate has been useful several times in the beta, and Voice
Translation is very cool, but not really useful right now.

I like the Sound Recognition feature since I get an alert if someone
knocks or rings the doorbell, which I would not hear when wearing
headphones.

There's a lot of new looks in Memoji, and a friend of mine is happy to
be able to add a nurse's cap.

Not having a phone call take over your entire screen is a "FINALLY!"
moment. I haven't gotten used to the Siri pulse sowing up at the bottom
yet.

I've used the ability to move a video off screen a couple of times, but
I am sure YouTube will figure out how to break this soon.

Lots of improvements to Home, automation, and Shortcuts.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

--
The Monster: Do I have a name?
Sister: Why would you need one?
The Monster: Starbucks mostly.

[Ant]

Not even for security fixes? I wait and then update. If old iDevices, then I
just get the final update (e.g., iOS v12.4.8 for iPhone 6+).

[Ant]

And 16? ;P

[Ant]

I wonder how high v14 will go next year. V13 went up to v13.7. V12 went
to v12.4.8.

[Ant]

I assume that is by design due to new iOS' security rules.

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 21:00:43 -0500, Ant wrote:

> Not even for security fixes? I wait and then update. If old iDevices, then I
> just get the final update (e.g., iOS v12.4.8 for iPhone 6+).

Hi Ant,

I thank you very much for not being an apologist, where I'm writing to say
that I appreciate your question but also that you probably really don't
want to know the answer.

I have reams of threads on "security" of iOS, where, if you were an
apologist, I would shove it down your throat; but since you're not an
apologist, I'm trying to gently tell you in kind words that the "security"
of an iOS device is a myth.

I hope that was gentle enough.
o And yes, I know it's not what MARKETING told you.

In my humblest of opinions, anyone "updating" iOS for anything but
something they _know_ they desperately want, need, and will deploy, is
otherwise, grasping at straws if "security" is what they're after.

Rest assured I can point you to so many fact-filled threads and cites
backing up that assessment that it would make your head spin, but let's
just leave it at that for now.

But thanks for asking.
--
On Apple newsgroups, an adult conversation is possible, sans apologists.

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 21:12:26 -0500, Ant wrote:

> I wonder how high v14 will go next year. V13 went up to v13.7. V12 went
> to v12.4.8.

Hi Ant,

If you were an apologist, I'd be more direct, but since you're not, I'll
just say, as gently s as I can, let's hope to dear God that Apple does
_not_ repeat what they did to the poor Apple customer with iOS 13.{0-8}.

Again, if you were an apologist, I'd shove reams (and reams) of threads
proving that point down your throat; but since you're not an apologist,
just take my word for it - you do NOT want to repeat what happened in iOS
13.x ever again in your entire life.

You just don't.
--
Let's hope to dear God Apple mended their ways this time around.

[Lewis]

In message <cKqdnRP1uc-KhPnC...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 2020-09-16 21:37, Ant wrote:
>> > So, who got iOS v14? ;)

>> BTW, quite surprised to see requests for services.

>> Had to authorize Mobile Mouse Pro to access my wi-fi

>> Had to re-authorize Twitter to access my pictures.


>> Net Analizer also triggered the requested to access my local letwork,
>> but while on that dialogue, the traceroute was working, so access was
>> granted to app before I answered the dialogue.

> I assume that is by design due to new iOS' security rules.

He's very confused. The dialog about accessing local devices is a
BLUETOOTH permission.


--
Cause love's such an old fashioned word
And love dares you to care for the people on the
Edge of the night, and love dares you to change
Our way of caring about ourselves,
This is our last dance This is ourselves.
Under Pressure.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 17.09.20 um 22:13 schrieb houn...@yahoo.co.uk:

This major release is very minor indeed.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 17.09.20 um 23:09 schrieb badgolferman:

Cosmetics.
Serious stuff is the improved privacy and security transparency.

[Your Name]

On 2020-09-18 02:00:43 +0000, Ant said:
> Arlen Holder <arlen_...@newmachines.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:10:47 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> And that is not generally a problem. I think I still have some iOS 12
>>> apps that work just fine, but it is very difficult to check that
>>> anymore.
>>
>> I don't update the iOS unless there is something compelling in the iOS,
>> which I haven't seen in many years, where I've found it takes about three
>> major release versions before apps begin to break down.
>>
>> I have iPads on iOS 11.x still working fine (although the grandkids are who
>> generally use them, but they're not complaining).
>>
>> I did accidentally update my own $300 Costco iPad, about a year or so ago,
>> so it's no longer on the iOS it was born with.
>>
>> There's never been anything compelling in any iOS release that I wanted to
>> bother to update to.
>
> Not even for security fixes? I wait and then update. If old iDevices, then I
> just get the final update (e.g., iOS v12.4.8 for iPhone 6+).

Even with security updates you're best to wait at least a couple of
days to see if there are any problems found by the early-adopters. It
doesn't happen often, but there have been instances where updates have
been pulled due to issues and then a replacement appears.

On the other hand, if you don't update then you might miss out. Our
iPad said there was a new iPad OS 13.x update recently and I was too
busy to do anything about it. Now it is saying the update is to iPad OS
14 instead. (I haven't yet looked into it to see if the missed uprated
is obtainable another way.)

[Your Name]

On 2020-09-18 02:10:46 +0000, Ant said:

> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <rjvnje$ks$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, <"houn...@yahoo.co.uk">
>> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> So, when's iOS 15 coming out? ;)
>
>> september 2021
>
> And 16? ;P

Theer won't be a 16 ... by then Applewill have fully transistioned the
Mac to Apple Silicon and they'll replace all the separate OSes with
just one version for use on all Apple devices - it will be called Apple
OS. ;-)

[nospam]

In article <rk1iu3$jl1$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:

>
> This major release is very minor indeed.

rubbish. it's actually rather substantial.

[Lewis]

No one is forcing you to update.

But you are very very wrong.


--
Far away, across the fields, the tolling of the iron bell calls the
faithful to their knees to hear the softly spoken magic spells.

[Lewis]

No, not cosmetic.

> Serious stuff is the improved privacy and security transparency.

There is a lot of serious stuff. Perhaps you should actually read
something on it before making yourself look like an ignorant fool?

Or not. Your choice.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 18.09.20 um 08:40 schrieb nospam:

No it isn't.
There was promised much more which would have made it a major release
with substance.

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 09:19:26 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

>>> This major release is very minor indeed.
>>
>> rubbish. it's actually rather substantial.
>
> No it isn't.
> There was promised much more which would have made it a major release
> with substance.

This is a realistic view of what's functionally usefully new in iOS 14.
o Outside the hype from MARKETING which is always mostly pure bullshit

While no iOS release has ever been "very substantial", this one has more of
some things than most iOS releases ever had (which we've discussed in
detail).

What I love is that Apple, finally, is adding what Android has enjoyed for
so long I can't even say how long it has been (e.g., app drawer) even as
the apologists decreed, long ago, an AppDrawer wasn't needed.

Note: Apologists always say whatever the iPhone lacks, isn't needed, e.g.,
an SDCard, FMRadio, headphone jack, etc., even as 99.9% of Android devices
have them (so 85% of the world thinks otherwise than do apologists).

In addition, Apple added some "privacy" enhancements, which I think are a
really nice step in the right direction, only most of which Android already
had, but some of which I don't think even Android has at the moment.

That's good news as I love competition between the operating systems, as
iOS "plays catchup" to Android, and as Android scrambles perhaps to add the
ability to tell the user when apps are using their stuff (Android has long
had the ability to block that access).
--
This is a realistic view of what's functionally usefully new in iOS 14.

[nospam]

In article <rk1n1u$8mp$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>

wrote:

> >>
> >> This major release is very minor indeed.
> >
> > rubbish. it's actually rather substantial.
>
> No it isn't.
> There was promised much more which would have made it a major release
> with substance.

rubbish. everything promised is in it.

[Alan Browne]

On 2020-09-16 21:37, Ant wrote:
> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>

I usually wait until the risk of first rash of bugs to go by and then
update.

--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

[nospam]

In article <u659H.174645$d95.1...@fx06.iad>, Alan Browne

<bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

> > So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>
> I usually wait until the risk of first rash of bugs to go by and then
> update.

14.2 will be out soon, likely with the new iphones.

<https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/17/apple-issues-first-ios-142-i
pados-142-watchos-71-tvos-142-betas-to-developers-for-testing>
Apple on Thursday issued the first round of beta releases for iOS
14.2, iPadOS 14.2, watchOS 7.1 and tvOS 14.2 to developers for
evaluation.

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 12:19:37 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

> I usually wait until the risk of first rash of bugs to go by and then
> update.

Let's hope to dear God that rash doesn't last as long as it did for iOS 13!

[Alan Browne]

Some nice things in there I look forward to - but I haven't DL'd it yet.
Waiting to see if it's stable. Indeed I just looked on my phone and
the latest update offered is 13.7. So not available in Canada yet or
13.7 has dependencies for 14?

As to the changes promised:

I do like that a phone call is no longer going to take over whatever I'm
doing and just be a banner. Similar for Siri taking sparse space. I
hope this extends to Car Play (I seem to recall hearing that in the
keynote last June(?)).

And the revised Search looks promising.

Pinned Messages X-coordinated on other devices looks fine.

New Map features (when they get to Canada) look interesting.

Translation may be helpful with some immigrants I chat with who haven't
become proficient in English or French yet.

There is some potential in App Clips for things of interest to me, esp.
navigation and possibly photography. TBS.

Audio messages in Siri (esp. CarPlay) is a good thing - most esp. when
sending messages in French from an "English" phone.

FaceTime PiP is nice - not that I use FT all that often, but when I do I
usually also need access to other info.

New privacy and disclosure requirements on 3rd party apps is good.
Possibly not "deep enough" nor "enforced".
Approximate location sharing with apps is nice. I'd like to know more
about "approximate". Such should be accurate enough for the purpose of
the app, but loose enough (with major bias + moderate random) so that
positions of oft visited places can't be gleaned over long periods of time.

Improvements to the camera s/w are always welcome.

Reminders is useful to me so I look forward to improvements there.

I haven't used "Sign in with Apple" anywhere yet - I may begin
experimenting with it in 14.

But, OBVIOUSLY Jeorg is PERFECTLY RIGHT! It's all VERY MINOR!!!

[Alan Browne]

See my other reply to you - 14 is not available in Canada yet (that I
can see ... 13.7 is the next update offered ... pre-req for 14 perhaps?).

[nospam]

In article <qH59H.81974$5l1....@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne

<bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

> >>> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
> >>
> >> I usually wait until the risk of first rash of bugs to go by and then
> >> update.
> >
> > 14.2 will be out soon, likely with the new iphones.
> >
> > <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/17/apple-issues-first-ios-142-i
> > pados-142-watchos-71-tvos-142-betas-to-developers-for-testing>
> > Apple on Thursday issued the first round of beta releases for iOS
> > 14.2, iPadOS 14.2, watchOS 7.1 and tvOS 14.2 to developers for
> > evaluation.
>
> See my other reply to you - 14 is not available in Canada yet (that I
> can see ... 13.7 is the next update offered ... pre-req for 14 perhaps?).

see my other reply to you :)

the only prerequisite is having compatible hardware. there is no need
for interim updates.

[nospam]

In article <eH59H.81973$5l1....@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne

<bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

> Waiting to see if it's stable. Indeed I just looked on my phone and
> the latest update offered is 13.7. So not available in Canada yet or
> 13.7 has dependencies for 14?

that just means 14 hasn't been pushed to you yet.

apple doesn't want all 1 billion+ users hammering their servers at the
same time, so they roll it out.

if you request the update, it will be 14.

[Lewis]

The new phones will almost certainly ship with 14.1 on them.

(14.1 was never in beta, but it is probably simply the 14.0 build with
the additional code specific to the new phones).


--
I felt wise and cynical as all hell.

[Lewis]

In message <eH59H.81973$5l1....@fx10.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2020-09-18 02:40, nospam wrote:
>> In article <rk1iu3$jl1$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This major release is very minor indeed.
>>
>> rubbish. it's actually rather substantial.

> Some nice things in there I look forward to - but I haven't DL'd it yet.
> Waiting to see if it's stable. Indeed I just looked on my phone and
> the latest update offered is 13.7. So not available in Canada yet or
> 13.7 has dependencies for 14?

It is available in Canada and no, 13.7 is not required (no previous
version is ever required for iOS updates).


--
U is for UNA who slipped down a drain
V is for VICTOR squashed by a train

[Alan Browne]

Fair enough. I'm in no rush.

[Lewis]

There is one exception. If there is a previous update that your device
has already downloaded then you need to either install it or delete the
downloaded file.

--
Don't be too sure I'm as crooked as I'm supposed to be. ~ Sam Spade

[nospam]

In article <slrnrm7u3t....@ProMini.lan>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.dont-email.me> wrote:

>
> I've used the ability to move a video off screen a couple of times, but
> I am sure YouTube will figure out how to break this soon.

yep.

<https://twitter.com/eslivka/status/1307036897504563201>
Picture in Picture in iOS 14 stopped working on iPhone for videos on
YouTube零 website. YouTube videos embedded elsewhere still work fine.

it works for premium users, though.

[Lewis]

In message <180920201953310844%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnrm7u3t....@ProMini.lan>, Lewis
> <g.k...@gmail.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>
>> I've used the ability to move a video off screen a couple of times, but
>> I am sure YouTube will figure out how to break this soon.

> yep.

> <https://twitter.com/eslivka/status/1307036897504563201>
> Picture in Picture in iOS 14 stopped working on iPhone for videos on

> YouTube¹s website. YouTube videos embedded elsewhere still work fine.

> it works for premium users, though.

This is one of the reasons why I do not watch youtube videos. If there
is something I want to see on youtube I use youtube-dl and a shortcut on
my iOS devices to add the link to my server for ytdl to process in the
background.

Such a shit site.


--
OK OK! Ready? OK. Dynamics with tension, fun and laughter for all.
Honky Rock. A one, two, a one, two, three, four.

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-18 10:34, Arlen Holder wrote:

> While no iOS release has ever been "very substantial",

Move to 64 bits was fairly substantial change under the hood.
The transformation of HFS+ to APFS on the iDevices didn't cause much
talk because it worked but that is HUGE change, especially as it was
able to convert your disk in-situ.

The ability to run any app in background (and set which apps
could/couldn't) was also substantial.

The same with many of the privacy features such as defining if an app
can access certain services (photos, locations, microphone, camera etc).

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 01:16:02 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

>>> I've used the ability to move a video off screen a couple of times, but
>>> I am sure YouTube will figure out how to break this soon.
>
>> yep.
>
>> <https://twitter.com/eslivka/status/1307036897504563201>
>> Picture in Picture in iOS 14 stopped working on iPhone for videos on

>> YouTube零 website. YouTube videos embedded elsewhere still work fine.

>
>> it works for premium users, though.
>
> This is one of the reasons why I do not watch youtube videos. If there
> is something I want to see on youtube I use youtube-dl and a shortcut on
> my iOS devices to add the link to my server for ytdl to process in the
> background.
>
> Such a shit site.

Update on the "pip" broken/fixed concept... via well-written software.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/2yYK4N0W/newpipe02.jpg>

While I use the youtube-dl.exe religiously on Windows that Lewis noted
above, I more often than not use NewPipe on Windows under freeware Android
emulation, where Android apps actually usually run faster on Windows than
on the phone itself (depending on the power of your desktop & phone of
course).
o <https://i.postimg.cc/g0wQpDwx/newpipe01.jpg>

While what nospam just posted may be true that Google breaks these apps,
you can perhaps override it on iOS 14 simply with well-written open source
software (dunno if any exists on iOS 14 yet though).
o <https://i.postimg.cc/2yYK4N0W/newpipe02.jpg>

For example, on Android, there's an open source "youtube-on-steroids"
replacement youtube client that not only replaces YouTube Red, but
surpasses anything the YouTube app can do as far as I know, called:
o NewPipe YouTube Replacement Client
<https://newpipe.schabi.org>

While there are "similar" (but nowhere as good) apps on iOS, I've been
using NewPipe for, oh, I don't know how many years, where my experience is
that roughly about every couple of years, YouTube changes something that
breaks the tool, and within a month or two, they fix it, where YouTube
hasn't broken the tool in a long time lately.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/90BNbgkn/newpipe03.jpg>

I know nospam is well aware of this open source tool, and nospam claims it
"breaks" YouTube TOS (but only because the iPhone doesn't have this
capability); but you _never_ need to touch the YouTube site directly so you
never read nor agreed to the YouTube TOS, nor is Google in the least
unaware of this open source tool given it's what EVERYONE uses on Android
instead of the worthless YouTube client.

Notice that, just like Aurora "scrapes" the Google Play Store anonymously
such that the apps downloaded anonymously are _exactly_ the same apps as if
you used the Google Play interface, these videos you download, strip off
the audio, play, search, etc., are _exactly_ the same youtube videos.

You can even anonymously _subscribe_ to any YouTube channel, and, best of
all, it's simply YouTube with a far more functional GUI, just as Aurora is
simply the Google Play app with a far more functional GUI.

You can play a YouTube video in the background and you can play using PIP,
where you can resize that PIP to any size you like on your homescreen or
on top of other apps.

While the PIP works just fine, but you have to hit a one-time switch that
the app pops up to "Allow display over other apps" before it works.
--
Maybe on iOS 14, they just need the app to pop up a similar switch?
o <https://i.postimg.cc/90BNbgkn/newpipe03.jpg>

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 00:37:16 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

> Move to 64 bits was fairly substantial change under the hood.

Hi JF Mezei,

I appreciate that you're not an apologist, so you actually believe what you
write, which is logical and sensible, so I agree with you on all your
points (I make an observation about them in the summary below).

My first observation is that I would agree that 64 bits is "substantial";
but didn't _every_ common consumer OS go 64 bit by now? (most long ago)

> The transformation of HFS+ to APFS on the iDevices didn't cause much
> talk because it worked but that is HUGE change, especially as it was
> able to convert your disk in-situ.

OK. I agree there are sometimes changes "under the hood" which are big.

An under-the-hood change I'd like to see, for example, on iOS, is the
ability to organize my homescreen any way I like.

That doesn't have to affect people who don't mind their homescreen being a
total linear mess, but I mind it a lot, so that's kind of an under-the-hood
change that I'd love to see (I agree the iOS 14 app drawer is one key step
definitely in the right direction though).

> The ability to run any app in background (and set which apps
> could/couldn't) was also substantial.

I guess I would agree that's substantial, but we've apparently had that in
Android for so long that it wouldn't even occur to me that it's substantial
when they finally added it to iOS.

And in all our other operating systems; it's just iOS that is late to the
game I think (based on your examples, anyway).

> The same with many of the privacy features such as defining if an app
> can access certain services (photos, locations, microphone, camera etc).

Again, I agree, but haven't we had that in all our other operating systems
for quite some time now?

I realize you're being helpful, and most importantly you're not an
apologist, so nuance of detail is possible with you, so I appreciate that
you're explaining what you think is a "big step" for iOS.

While I agree with you that these might be "big things", they've been in
every other operating system for a long time, it seems, so I think they're
only big things because iOS didn't have what the other common operating
systems have long ago taken for granted, I think.

[Bernd Froehlich]

On 17. Sep 2020 at 03:37:48 CEST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

> So, who got iOS v14? ;)

Installed iOS14 yesterday. iPhone did not explode :-)

iPadOS 14 also works fine on my old iPad Air2.

[Leo]

On 2020 Sep 19, , Bernd Froehlich wrote
(in article <hsm319...@mid.individual.net>):

> Installed iOS14 yesterday. iPhone did not explode :-)
>
> iPadOS 14 also works fine on my old iPad Air2.

And let's not forget that my Apple Watch Series 3 will run watchOS 7. I can
testify. Since I’m getting dirt old, I’m looking toward a Series 6 to
tell me when to call 911.

leo

[b...@ripco.com]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> I noticed the camera app removed the stupid uselless square image mode.
> But there is now and obsrice little wiggle at top of screen which, when
> you press, less you choose aspect ration, square, 4:3 or 16:9. (for
> photos, I beleive the 16:9 is new).


Is anything in the above documented by Apple somewhere?

I looked over their ios14 features list and don't see anything for the
camera.

I only have the version 1 SE and know that some of the features are only
available on later models. Mine still has the "square mode" and there is no
"little wiggle" at the top to do 16:9. The video mode does show the
selection for HD-60, 30 and whatever the 4K setting is, but the photo
settings seem the same as they were on ios13.

Only reason I'm asking is a friend of mine who used to use a iPhone5
switched to some Samsung model (S8?) because of the 16:9 or 4:3 camera
options. He's making noise about getting a new phone but is checking out the
G20 (or whatever) and skipping over Apple again.

If I can wave something under his nose, might be able to sway him back.

If it's model specific, where does it start?

-bruce
b...@ripco.com

[nospam]

In article <1Wf9H.174650$d95.1...@fx06.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> Move to 64 bits was fairly substantial change under the hood.

no it wasn't.

> The transformation of HFS+ to APFS on the iDevices didn't cause much
> talk because it worked but that is HUGE change, especially as it was
> able to convert your disk in-situ.

also wrong.

> The ability to run any app in background (and set which apps
> could/couldn't) was also substantial.

that was, because it required apps to use new apis.

> The same with many of the privacy features such as defining if an app
> can access certain services (photos, locations, microphone, camera etc).

nope.

[nospam]

In article <0001HW.2516198901...@News.Individual.Net>,

Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> And let's not forget that my Apple Watch Series 3 will run watchOS 7.

series 3 has to run watchos 7 since they're still selling them.

[Alan Browne]

On 2020-09-18 13:06, nospam wrote:

As it turns out my iPhone was hung on trying to update to 13.7 and I
couldn't get it to finish that. I shut down the phone and re-started
it. Then the offered update is 14.

A scan of the news reveals no major issues so I'm going ahead with it
and I'll hope no key apps are broken - or are already fixed.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 10:54:33 -0000 (UTC), b...@ripco.com wrote:

> a friend of mine who used to use a iPhone5
> switched to some Samsung model (S8?) because of the 16:9 or 4:3 camera
> options. He's making noise about getting a new phone but is checking out the
> G20 (or whatever) and skipping over Apple again.
>
> If I can wave something under his nose, might be able to sway him back.

I would guess people are single-issue voters (e.g., I dropped both Verizon
& AT&T for not treating me well, Verizon for upping my contract when they
replaced the phone, and AT&T for not allowing cellular sans data for a
smartphone), but, even so.... someone dropping iOS for Android just because
of camera options?

Really?

[nospam]

In article <L6p9H.362742$zX4.1...@fx41.iad>, Alan Browne

<bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

> A scan of the news reveals no major issues so I'm going ahead with it
> and I'll hope no key apps are broken - or are already fixed.

there have been a *lot* of app updates in the past few days, nearly all
of which say ios 14 support.

[Wilf]

On 17/09/2020 at 19:00, badgolferman wrote:

> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>

> Your signature is way too long.
>
> For those of you who’ve installed iOS 14, are you using the new features
> and what is your opinion of them?
>

Tried a couple of widgets on home screen (iPhone XR). Didn't find them
useful. Clock widget doesn't show the right time (loses time). I may
rry to set my default email to Gmail if and when that app is updated to
allow the facility.

Wilf

[Wilf]

On 18/09/2020 at 07:40, nospam wrote:
> In article <rk1iu3$jl1$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> This major release is very minor indeed.
>
> rubbish. it's actually rather substantial.
>

I'm sure it's substantial under the hood. Visually, though, it seems to
me to be pretty similar to before. There's the app library off the end
page, and home screen widgets which I've played with but haven't so far
found to be very useful - maybe as more widgets become available, I will
find it of use. I thought the clock widget might be useful, but it
loses time!!!

Wilf

[nospam]

In article <rk5edr$1ibm$3...@gioia.aioe.org>, Wilf

<wi...@replyto.newsgroup.com> wrote:

> >> This major release is very minor indeed.
> >
> > rubbish. it's actually rather substantial.
> >
>
> I'm sure it's substantial under the hood. Visually, though, it seems to
> me to be pretty similar to before. There's the app library off the end
> page, and home screen widgets which I've played with but haven't so far
> found to be very useful - maybe as more widgets become available, I will
> find it of use. I thought the clock widget might be useful, but it
> loses time!!!

those are rather significant changes.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 13:23:58 -0400, nospam wrote:

> those are rather significant changes.

Which of those 'rather significant changes' in iOS 14 aren't just playing
catchup to what Android users have already enjoyed for a while, nospam?
--
Which of those 'rather significant changes' aren't just playing catchup?

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 18:16:44 +0100, Wilf wrote:

> I'm sure it's substantial under the hood. Visually, though, it seems to
> me to be pretty similar to before.

If we assume the changes are "substantial under the hood", then we have to
ask the logical assessment question of which of those "substantial under
the hood" changes aren't just playing catchup to what's already on Android?

It's an important question to ponder since the answer provides balance:
o What is 'substantial' in iOS 14 that isn't already enjoyed by Android users?
--
The answer matters because it gives proper insight into iOS 14 additions.

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-19 08:16, nospam wrote:

>> Move to 64 bits was fairly substantial change under the hood.
>
> no it wasn't.

Please confirm you're saying it wasn't a lot of work, a mere recompile.

>> The transformation of HFS+ to APFS on the iDevices didn't cause much
>> talk because it worked but that is HUGE change, especially as it was
>> able to convert your disk in-situ.
>
> also wrong.

Please confirm that developping APFS and developping the software to
reliably convert HFS disks to APFS no matter the convoluted uses wasn't
a lot of work.

>> The ability to run any app in background (and set which apps
>> could/couldn't) was also substantial.
>
> that was, because it required apps to use new apis.

We're discussing the work Apple had to do. The APIs had to be
published, but what Apple did was also develop the algorithms to ensure
"public" apps only got a certain amount of CPU for a certain amount of
time so they don't run the battery down in an infonite loop running in
background (one of the big pitfalls Android had early on (I assume they
have fixed that by now).

>> The same with many of the privacy features such as defining if an app
>> can access certain services (photos, locations, microphone, camera etc).
>
> nope.

Please confirm you are saying it wasn't a big effort for Apple to
chjange its frameworks to capture requests for services by an App and
check against a database to ensure the app has been authorized to use an
API.

[nospam]

In article <RHu9H.223613$r25.1...@fx08.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> >> Move to 64 bits was fairly substantial change under the hood.
> >
> > no it wasn't.
>
> Please confirm you're saying it wasn't a lot of work, a mere recompile.

basically, yes. everything is/was size agnostic.

third party apple watch apps became 64 bit without the developer doing
anything.

> >> The transformation of HFS+ to APFS on the iDevices didn't cause much
> >> talk because it worked but that is HUGE change, especially as it was
> >> able to convert your disk in-situ.
> >
> > also wrong.
>
> Please confirm that developping APFS and developping the software to
> reliably convert HFS disks to APFS no matter the convoluted uses wasn't
> a lot of work.

that is a one-time utility which is not part of the os itself.

it was also beta tested without anyone realizing it.

> >> The ability to run any app in background (and set which apps
> >> could/couldn't) was also substantial.
> >
> > that was, because it required apps to use new apis.
>
> We're discussing the work Apple had to do. The APIs had to be
> published, but what Apple did was also develop the algorithms to ensure
> "public" apps only got a certain amount of CPU for a certain amount of
> time so they don't run the battery down in an infonite loop running in
> background (one of the big pitfalls Android had early on (I assume they
> have fixed that by now).

every version of ios has new frameworks and apis and sometimes a few
get deprecated. nothing unusual there.

existing apps continued to work but did not benefit from the new
functionality. that was up to third party developers.

> >> The same with many of the privacy features such as defining if an app
> >> can access certain services (photos, locations, microphone, camera etc).
> >
> > nope.
>
>
> Please confirm you are saying it wasn't a big effort for Apple to
> chjange its frameworks to capture requests for services by an App and
> check against a database to ensure the app has been authorized to use an
> API.

it's actually quite simple for a framework to request confirmation when
first used.

[Lewis]

In message <rk4o19$gge$1...@remote5bge0.ripco.com> b...@ripco.com <b...@ripco.com> wrote:
> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>> I noticed the camera app removed the stupid uselless square image mode.
>> But there is now and obsrice little wiggle at top of screen which, when
>> you press, less you choose aspect ration, square, 4:3 or 16:9. (for
>> photos, I beleive the 16:9 is new).


> Is anything in the above documented by Apple somewhere?

> I looked over their ios14 features list and don't see anything for the
> camera.

> I only have the version 1 SE and know that some of the features are only
> available on later models. Mine still has the "square mode" and there is no
> "little wiggle" at the top to do 16:9. The video mode does show the
> selection for HD-60, 30 and whatever the 4K setting is, but the photo
> settings seem the same as they were on ios13.

It's a caret at the top between the flash indicator and the lie photo
indicator, right in the center.

I did not notice the lack of "square" since I have never intentionally
taken a square photo.

> Only reason I'm asking is a friend of mine who used to use a iPhone5
> switched to some Samsung model (S8?) because of the 16:9 or 4:3 camera
> options. He's making noise about getting a new phone but is checking out the
> G20 (or whatever) and skipping over Apple again.

His loss.

> If I can wave something under his nose, might be able to sway him back.

> If it's model specific, where does it start?

No idea. I didn't know it was there. Perhaps on phones that can shoot
16:9?

--
Given your quest-heavy lifestyle, there’s no guarantee any of you will live to
see Christmas.

[Lewis]

It's google, so expect that update around 2026.

--
Wally: That's my nickname, "Waly" with one el.
Dilbert: Who calls you that?
Wally: Most people, they just don't realize it.

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-19 17:58, nospam wrote:

>> Please confirm you're saying it wasn't a lot of work, a mere recompile.
>
> basically, yes. everything is/was size agnostic.
>
> third party apple watch apps became 64 bit without the developer doing
> anything.

We are talking about changes to the operating system, not apps. So
again, please confirm you think Apple moving IOS to 64 bits was a no
brainer.

>> Please confirm that developping APFS and developping the software to
>> reliably convert HFS disks to APFS no matter the convoluted uses wasn't
>> a lot of work.
>
> that is a one-time utility which is not part of the os itself.

Please confirm that this "one time utility" which remains part of the OS
because it is still able to do insitu oconversion of cvolumkes wore
itselt and was not a big undertaking. Please confirm that APFS wrote
itself and was just a question of some employee compilimng it.

> it's actually quite simple for a framework to request confirmation when
> first used.

Please confirm that this code wrote itself. Confirm that the App Store
process to vet app use of frameworks wrote itself. Confirm that the
system to keep track of which app have been authoriozed to use which
framewiork on a device write itself.


Again, we are discussing the allegation that nothing significant ever
changed under the hood on IOS. You appear to be on their side because
your priority is to contradict whatecver I say, no matter what I say.

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-19 18:56, Lewis wrote:

> I did not notice the lack of "square" since I have never intentionally
> taken a square photo.

I have unintentionally taken useless square pictures, so when I noticed
that we can now select aspect ratio for still images, I was glad they
temoved the annoying suqare pictures from the modes.

We should be able to change the order in preferences. I only use video,
photo and pano so having all the others on the left side would make
switching between the 3 modes I used regularly much simpler.

[nospam]

In article <AIw9H.296632$CM.2...@fx01.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> >> Please confirm you're saying it wasn't a lot of work, a mere recompile.
> >
> > basically, yes. everything is/was size agnostic.
> >
> > third party apple watch apps became 64 bit without the developer doing
> > anything.
>
> We are talking about changes to the operating system, not apps. So
> again, please confirm you think Apple moving IOS to 64 bits was a no
> brainer.

read what i wrote one more time, this time try to understand it.

> >> Please confirm that developping APFS and developping the software to
> >> reliably convert HFS disks to APFS no matter the convoluted uses wasn't
> >> a lot of work.
> >
> > that is a one-time utility which is not part of the os itself.
>
> Please confirm that this "one time utility" which remains part of the OS
> because it is still able to do insitu oconversion of cvolumkes wore
> itselt and was not a big undertaking. Please confirm that APFS wrote
> itself and was just a question of some employee compilimng it.

it's actually part of the installer, not the os. once the volume is
converted, both it and the installer are no longer needed and deleted.

since ios 14 can be installed on devices that once ran ios 9, which
predates apfs, conversion is still there for the off chance someone
upgrades directly from ios 9 (or 10.0 which was also hfs) to ios 14,
however, its days are numbered.

when the iphone 8/x becomes the oldest supported device, both of which
shipped with apfs and ios 11, hfs->apfs conversion will no longer be
needed because at that point every supported device will already be
apfs, so the conversion tool will be removed.

> > it's actually quite simple for a framework to request confirmation when
> > first used.
>
> Please confirm that this code wrote itself. Confirm that the App Store
> process to vet app use of frameworks wrote itself. Confirm that the
> system to keep track of which app have been authoriozed to use which
> framewiork on a device write itself.

nobody said it wrote itself. where do you come up with this shit?

requesting confirmation and storing the result is not difficult.

> Again, we are discussing the allegation that nothing significant ever
> changed under the hood on IOS.

nobody ever said that nothing significant ever changed under the hood.
where do you come up with this shit?

you claimed that 64 bit and asking permission was a huge undertaking
which required significant changes. that is incorrect.

> You appear to be on their side because
> your priority is to contradict whatecver I say, no matter what I say.

nope. people (not just me) contradict you when you say stuff that is
wrong, especially when it's absurdly wrong, which it usually is.

on the rare occasion you say stuff that is not wrong, people agree with
you.

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-19 20:04, nospam wrote:

> nobody said it wrote itself. where do you come up with this shit?

Someone argued there were never major changes under the hood of IOS. I
countered with examples of major changes, you automatically tried to
disagree with me, so in essence agreeing with the troll stating there
were never major changes under the hood for IOS.

So, who is the troll ?

[nospam]

In article <74x9H.67669$6w2....@fx44.iad>, JF Mezei

<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Someone argued there were never major changes under the hood of IOS.

nobody ever said that

> Icountered with examples of major changes, you automatically tried to

> disagree with me, so in essence agreeing with the troll stating there
> were never major changes under the hood for IOS.

your examples were not major, other than backgrounding.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 22:58:06 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

>> Tried a couple of widgets on home screen (iPhone XR). Didn't find them
>> useful. Clock widget doesn't show the right time (loses time). I may
>> rry to set my default email to Gmail if and when that app is updated to
>> allow the facility.
>
> It's google, so expect that update around 2026.

For Google widgets and for Google default browsers, see this thread:
o Top ten most popular new features in iOS 14 and how to use them
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/-OPc9Fn1mzk>

See also:
o With iOS 14, Google thinks it can take over your iPhone
<https://bgr.com/2020/09/18/ios-14-features-google-widget-chrome-gmail-defaults/>
--
Contrary to what Lewis believes, Google is salivating at the chance to be a
"default app" on the Apple ecosystem (see details in that thread).

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 19.09.20 um 19:16 schrieb Wilf:

What you describe is just cosmetics.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 20.09.20 um 00:56 schrieb Lewis:
> His loss.

You are notorious Troll. Again you change your name/mailaddress because
you are aware that your asocial behaviour is not accepted.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 18.09.20 um 18:59 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2020-09-18 12:42, nospam wrote:
>> In article <u659H.174645$d95.1...@fx06.iad>, Alan Browne

>> <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>>>

>>> I usually wait until the risk of first rash of bugs to go by and then
>>> update.
>>
>> 14.2 will be out soon, likely with the new iphones.
>>
>> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/17/apple-issues-first-ios-142-i
>> pados-142-watchos-71-tvos-142-betas-to-developers-for-testing>
>> Apple on Thursday issued the first round of beta releases for iOS
>> 14.2, iPadOS 14.2, watchOS 7.1 and tvOS 14.2 to developers for
>> evaluation.
>
> See my other reply to you - 14 is not available in Canada yet (that I
> can see ... 13.7 is the next update offered ... pre-req for 14 perhaps?).

It is available gobaly.
To balance the load on the update servers the OS-internal update is
delayed. You can update manualy at any time.

[Wilf]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. To clarify, I'm sure there are a lot of
significant changes under the hood, but to me, an average user, it looks
much the same except for a few visible changes. So, yes, apparently
largely cosmetic, even if more deep under the surface.

Wilf

[Lewis]

No, it is functional.


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[Lewis]

I have never changed my name, I recently re-registered with E-S and that
has resulted in a slight change in my headers.

Also, you do not know what "troll" is, but you can get enlightenment by
examining the reflective side of a mirror.


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[Chris]

Wilf <wi...@replyto.newsgroup.com> wrote:
> On 17/09/2020 at 19:00, badgolferman wrote:
>> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>> So, who got iOS v14? ;)
>>
>> Your signature is way too long.
>>
>> For those of you who’ve installed iOS 14, are you using the new features
>> and what is your opinion of them?
>>
>
> Tried a couple of widgets on home screen (iPhone XR). Didn't find them
> useful. Clock widget doesn't show the right time (loses time).

I have the same phone and don't notice any drift in time.

[b...@ripco.com]

Arlen Holder <arlen_...@newmachines.com> wrote:

> I would guess people are single-issue voters (e.g., I dropped both Verizon
> & AT&T for not treating me well, Verizon for upping my contract when they
> replaced the phone, and AT&T for not allowing cellular sans data for a
> smartphone), but, even so.... someone dropping iOS for Android just because
> of camera options?
>
> Really?

He's just an oddball character.

If you go to his house, no internet access. No broadband, fiber, dsl, wifi,
nothing. Doesn't own a desktop nor laptop.

Everything he does on the net is with that phone. He's on some corporate
plan, true unlimited LTE service via Verizon, doesn't pay a dime monthly.

Actually I don't think he even pays for the phone and since they had them
for the past couple of years, everyone is getting new ones this spring.

And yes, he bases his ownership only on the camera.

You can tell him the next iPhone will wash your car on saturday, make you
breakfast in bed on sunday and give you the winning lottery numbers for the
rest of the week but the first question he has would be along the lines of
low light sensitivity or physical zoom over digital.

Anyway I sort of found a partial answer, it looks like the 16:9 and 4:3
settings came in on iOS13, at least on the iPhone 11 series. Maybe on iOS14
they added a few of the older models, not sure about that though.

Probably not enough to sway him but at least I can put the bug in his ear.

-bruce
b...@ripco.com

[Arlen Holder]

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 11:51:02 -0000 (UTC), b...@ripco.com wrote:

> And yes, he bases his ownership only on the camera.

Well, then he might care to look at the mobile phone camera reviews:
o <https://www.dxomark.com/category/mobile-reviews/>

[Arlen Holder]

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 11:42:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

>> Tried a couple of widgets on home screen (iPhone XR). Didn't find them
>> useful. Clock widget doesn't show the right time (loses time).
>
> I have the same phone and don't notice any drift in time.

When I saw his problem I had immediately looked up that time-sync problem
and didn't see others in non beta iOS 14 with any other time issue than the
default time for the widget is "cupertino time", which works for us in the
San Francisco Bay Area, but not so much for the rest of the world. :)
--
I put the results in this thread for others to benefit from:

[Roy Smith]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> So, who got iOS v14? ;)

I’ve update all of my devices last Thursday. Have my iPhone 11, watch
series 3, iPod 7th gen, and iPad 7th gen. Also did my wife’s iPhone 11 and
her watch series 3 as well.

[Wilf]

Thanks must be me. Maybe there's something about using London time!

Wilf

[Alan Browne]

On 2020-09-17 19:55, JF Mezei wrote:

> On 2020-09-17 14:00, badgolferman wrote:
>
>> For those of you who’ve installed iOS 14, are you using the new features
>> and what is your opinion of them?
>
>

> I noticed the camera app removed the stupid uselless square image mode.

------- ------ [1.a]

It is neither stupid nor useless. It's just a framing style. Think
Hasselblad 2000/200 and 500 series film cameras for example. I have
used it in the iPhone on occasion but generally prefer the maximum size
image to edit in post.

> But there is now and obsrice little wiggle at top of screen which, when
> you press, less you choose aspect ration, square, 4:3 or 16:9. (for

------[1.b]

> photos, I beleive the 16:9 is new).

16:9 is not new. (Ever hear of 1080p?).

[1a/b] contradict yourself much? (Don't answer - you do all of the time...)

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[Alan Browne]

On 2020-09-19 19:45, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2020-09-19 18:56, Lewis wrote:
>
>> I did not notice the lack of "square" since I have never intentionally
>> taken a square photo.
>
> I have unintentionally taken useless square pictures, so when I noticed
> that we can now select aspect ratio for still images, I was glad they
> temoved the annoying suqare pictures from the modes.

They just moved it into an aspect ratio sub menu. What is annoying to
you is pleasing to others. --

[Alan Browne]

The actual reason as I pointed out elsewhere is my phone was hung up on
the 13.7 update that I had initiated some time ago and then forgot about
(I usually do so at work while busy on other things...).

So I shut off my phone and turned it on - the iOS 14 update was
immediately available.

[Chris]

I'm on Edinburgh time. Try that ;)

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-20 03:22, Wilf wrote:

> significant changes under the hood, but to me, an average user, it looks
> much the same except for a few visible changes.

The upgrade process maintains the look and feel of YOUR configuration
(which is good). But you can make some pretty radical changes with that
app library thingy. They also added "tab from under" gesture which you
can program. And mpore importantly, have added a lot of warnings about
what apps are trying to do behind your back. That in turn will cause
app developpers to change/remove some of their underhanded
privacy-violating shenenigans.

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-20 13:20, Alan Browne wrote:

> 16:9 is not new. (Ever hear of 1080p?).

Tell me how in the past I could take a 16:9 still photograph. The
choices were "photo" at 4:3 and "square" for some millenial sites (I
think it was instagram).

[JF Mezei]

On 2020-09-20 13:22, Alan Browne wrote:

> They just moved it into an aspect ratio sub menu. What is annoying to
> you is pleasing to others. --

And I stated that it was a good thing it was moved to submenu. Someone
asked about what changes I had noticed and that was one of the changes.

[Lewis]

In message <oiO9H.69064$6w2....@fx44.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> They also added "tab from under" gesture which you can program.

What?

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[Wilf]

Thank you, those are good points.

Wilf

[Wilf]

Ha!!! I'll have to give it another try. Maybe I'll tell it I am in
Scotland now!

Wilf