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JF Mezei
Sep 12, 2017, 9:37:23 PM9/12/17
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Does anyone have links to official documentation on how the Apple Watch
V3.0 will work with regard to Apple's "e-SIM" cards ?
Is this an empty SIM card that can be populated and erased by any network?
Or is this similar to Apple's "banilla" SIM cards that were done in USA
which could be "acquired" by participating networks ? (and once
acquired, remained their, but you could ditch the physical SIM cand
insert a new SIM from anyone)
How this virtualized SIM works could have regulatory implications in
Canada if it becomes tantamount to locking the device to one network
because once programmed for one network, it is hard/impossible to move
to another.
Also, any pointers on how Apple gets the networks to consider the Apple
Watch to be the same phone number as is on another device? At the
keynote, UMTS was mentioned specifically, which means the Watch can
make/receive "old style" voice calls on 3G, which means that this isn't
some Apple data protocol that lets any device pickup calls from the
phone (the call sharing feature that has been available for some time)
V3.0 will work with regard to Apple's "e-SIM" cards ?
Is this an empty SIM card that can be populated and erased by any network?
Or is this similar to Apple's "banilla" SIM cards that were done in USA
which could be "acquired" by participating networks ? (and once
acquired, remained their, but you could ditch the physical SIM cand
insert a new SIM from anyone)
How this virtualized SIM works could have regulatory implications in
Canada if it becomes tantamount to locking the device to one network
because once programmed for one network, it is hard/impossible to move
to another.
Also, any pointers on how Apple gets the networks to consider the Apple
Watch to be the same phone number as is on another device? At the
keynote, UMTS was mentioned specifically, which means the Watch can
make/receive "old style" voice calls on 3G, which means that this isn't
some Apple data protocol that lets any device pickup calls from the
phone (the call sharing feature that has been available for some time)
Jolly Roger
Sep 13, 2017, 12:42:57 AM9/13/17
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On 2017-09-13, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> How this virtualized SIM works could have regulatory implications in
> Canada if it becomes tantamount to locking the device to one network
> because once programmed for one network, it is hard/impossible to move
> to another.
Ever the FUDster...
>
> How this virtualized SIM works could have regulatory implications in
> Canada if it becomes tantamount to locking the device to one network
> because once programmed for one network, it is hard/impossible to move
> to another.
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nospam
Sep 13, 2017, 2:08:48 AM9/13/17
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In article <59b88bd4$0$26526$b1db1813$3944...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
<https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/features/numbersync.html>
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Also, any pointers on how Apple gets the networks to consider the Apple
> Watch to be the same phone number as is on another device? At the
> keynote, UMTS was mentioned specifically, which means the Watch can
> make/receive "old style" voice calls on 3G, which means that this isn't
> some Apple data protocol that lets any device pickup calls from the
> phone (the call sharing feature that has been available for some time)
<https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/t-mobile-digits>
>
>
> Also, any pointers on how Apple gets the networks to consider the Apple
> Watch to be the same phone number as is on another device? At the
> keynote, UMTS was mentioned specifically, which means the Watch can
> make/receive "old style" voice calls on 3G, which means that this isn't
> some Apple data protocol that lets any device pickup calls from the
> phone (the call sharing feature that has been available for some time)
<https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/features/numbersync.html>
JF Mezei
Sep 13, 2017, 8:48:58 AM9/13/17
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On 2017-09-12 23:35, nospam wrote:
> <https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/t-mobile-digits>
> <https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/features/numbersync.html>
Thanks. But both of these appear to be using "data" to connect the
second phone/device so it can "fake" using the phone number of the main
phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
Yet, the Apple Watch supports UMTS, which means it can do voice calls on
3G. (I assume faking callerID would be fairly easy so that the device
appears to be your main phone for those calls). But routing of incoming
calls to the real 3G number used by the watch requires fancy footwork by
the carriers (not a simple call forwarding since they probably still
have to ring both phone and watch that are on different network numbers).
I assume details will emerge.
In Canada, while both Bell and Telus were mentioned for launch, Telus
admitted it isn't ready and service will start later. Rogers has used a
bogus excuse to not admit it doesn't have the tech, and the other
carriers have been silent so far.
Interestingly, the Apple site in Canada mentions that a Bell canada
Apple Watch will not work in MTS and Sasktel territories where Bell does
network sharing. This provides hints that the call handling needs to
have support closer to the towers and are not just a data link back to
the home network's APN. (the AT&T and T-Mobile pages also have
limitations on roaming).
> <https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/t-mobile-digits>
> <https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/features/numbersync.html>
Thanks. But both of these appear to be using "data" to connect the
second phone/device so it can "fake" using the phone number of the main
phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
Yet, the Apple Watch supports UMTS, which means it can do voice calls on
3G. (I assume faking callerID would be fairly easy so that the device
appears to be your main phone for those calls). But routing of incoming
calls to the real 3G number used by the watch requires fancy footwork by
the carriers (not a simple call forwarding since they probably still
have to ring both phone and watch that are on different network numbers).
I assume details will emerge.
In Canada, while both Bell and Telus were mentioned for launch, Telus
admitted it isn't ready and service will start later. Rogers has used a
bogus excuse to not admit it doesn't have the tech, and the other
carriers have been silent so far.
Interestingly, the Apple site in Canada mentions that a Bell canada
Apple Watch will not work in MTS and Sasktel territories where Bell does
network sharing. This provides hints that the call handling needs to
have support closer to the towers and are not just a data link back to
the home network's APN. (the AT&T and T-Mobile pages also have
limitations on roaming).
nospam
Sep 13, 2017, 8:56:27 AM9/13/17
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In article <59b92939$0$4542$b1db1813$8546...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Yet, the Apple Watch supports UMTS, which means it can do voice calls on
> 3G.
volte isn't everywhere yet, so it has to.
> (I assume faking callerID would be fairly easy so that the device
> appears to be your main phone for those calls). But routing of incoming
> calls to the real 3G number used by the watch requires fancy footwork by
> the carriers (not a simple call forwarding since they probably still
> have to ring both phone and watch that are on different network numbers).
no.
> I assume details will emerge.
which you'll promptly ignore.
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> > <https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/t-mobile-digits>
> > <https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/features/numbersync.html>
>
> Thanks. But both of these appear to be using "data" to connect the
> second phone/device so it can "fake" using the phone number of the main
> phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
no.
>
> > <https://www.t-mobile.com/offers/t-mobile-digits>
> > <https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/features/numbersync.html>
>
> Thanks. But both of these appear to be using "data" to connect the
> second phone/device so it can "fake" using the phone number of the main
> phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
> Yet, the Apple Watch supports UMTS, which means it can do voice calls on
> 3G.
> (I assume faking callerID would be fairly easy so that the device
> appears to be your main phone for those calls). But routing of incoming
> calls to the real 3G number used by the watch requires fancy footwork by
> the carriers (not a simple call forwarding since they probably still
> have to ring both phone and watch that are on different network numbers).
> I assume details will emerge.
JF Mezei
Sep 13, 2017, 9:03:47 AM9/13/17
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On 2017-09-13 08:56, nospam wrote:
>
>> phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
>
> no.
""
NumberSync: Requires compatible device on eligible wireless plan &
>
>> phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
>
> no.
""
smartphone on AT&T postpaid wireless account & set up for HD Voice.
""
HD VOICE is VoLTE.
Supporting Apple Watch will require a bit more fancy footwork by the
carriers to integrate UMTS voice with the "multiple devices, same
number" functionality.
>> I assume details will emerge.
>
> which you'll promptly ignore.
nospam
Sep 13, 2017, 9:19:54 AM9/13/17
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In article <59b92cb2$0$46166$b1db1813$be7d...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
In article <59b92939$0$4542$b1db1813$8546...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Thanks. But both of these appear to be using "data" to connect the
> second phone/device so it can "fake" using the phone number of the main
is done by the carrier and volte is not required, including texts, app
updates, etc.
> Supporting Apple Watch will require a bit more fancy footwork by the
> carriers to integrate UMTS voice with the "multiple devices, same
> number" functionality.
no.
> >> I assume details will emerge.
> >
> > which you'll promptly ignore.
>
> I cam here to ask for details.
no, you assumed facts not in evidence.
> Why should I ignore what I see?
i don't know why you do, but you do.
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> >> phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
> >
> > no.
> ""
> NumberSync: Requires compatible device on eligible wireless plan &
> smartphone on AT&T postpaid wireless account & set up for HD Voice.
> ""
> HD VOICE is VoLTE.
creative snipping.
> >> phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
> >
> > no.
> ""
> NumberSync: Requires compatible device on eligible wireless plan &
> smartphone on AT&T postpaid wireless account & set up for HD Voice.
> ""
> HD VOICE is VoLTE.
In article <59b92939$0$4542$b1db1813$8546...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Thanks. But both of these appear to be using "data" to connect the
> second phone/device so it can "fake" using the phone number of the main
> phone. The AT&T even says HD Voice (their marketing namne for VoLTE).
that's not how it works. nothing is faked. multiple devices per number
is done by the carrier and volte is not required, including texts, app
updates, etc.
> Supporting Apple Watch will require a bit more fancy footwork by the
> carriers to integrate UMTS voice with the "multiple devices, same
> number" functionality.
> >> I assume details will emerge.
> >
> > which you'll promptly ignore.
>
> I cam here to ask for details.
> Why should I ignore what I see?
Jolly Roger
Sep 13, 2017, 11:27:53 AM9/13/17
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On 2017-09-13, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
when you do, your warped FUDster attitude mandates that you purposely
"misunderstand" what you read.
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