Qualcomm chips to power new iPhone as well as Nexus
Google's Epic Fail: It is just another Droid!
http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/06/qualcomm-to-power-iphone-as-well-as-nexus-one/
Larry
wrote in
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> Qualcomm chips to power iPhone as well as Nexus
>
> http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/06/qualcomm-to-power-iphone-as-well-as-n
> exus-one/
>
Qualcomm owns CDMA. This news may portend a shift from ATT/T-Mobile's tiny
3G footprints to Verizon/Alltel's massive EVDO 3G footprint in the very
near future. This would be forced upon Apple by the news this week of the
impending CDMA/EVDO on Verizon NEXUS ONE rollout.
City people with ATT/T-mo connections fail to notice how many millions of
Americans won't buy iPhone because there is no 3G service to connect it to
across 90+% of the country.
http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcomp
arison.pdf
Even just adding Sprint's EVDO network triples their coverage area.....
Qualcomm makes very good sense, indeed, faced with a Verizon Nexus One.....
Wes Groleau
> City people with ATT/T-mo connections fail to notice how many millions of
> Americans won't buy iPhone because there is no 3G service to connect it to
> across 90+% of the country.
>
Completely irrelevant except to those gullible enough to base buying
decisions on colored graphics.
What's relevant is which one has coverage in the places YOU (the buyer)
will want to use it. For most Americans, that would be BOTH of them.
It matters not one iota to me that AT&T doesn't work in the mountains
of Montana, because I'm not likely to EVER be in the mountains of Montana.
--
Wes Groleau
"Brigham Young agrees to confine himself to one woman,
if every member of Congress will do the same."
-- Weekly Republican, 1869
Larry
news:hi6ggv$h2v$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Larry wrote:
>> City people with ATT/T-mo connections fail to notice how many
>> millions of Americans won't buy iPhone because there is no 3G service
>> to connect it to across 90+% of the country.
>>
>> Even just adding Sprint's EVDO network triples their coverage
>> area.....
>
> Completely irrelevant except to those gullible enough to base buying
> decisions on colored graphics.
>
Not in the South it's not. ATT and T-Mo's 3G footprint outside Atlanta and
SE Florida is horrible. All you have to do is drive 2 miles off the
interstate to be in a NO SERVICE zone on GSM in the South....not to mention
no 3G at all.
Look at the SC ATT 3G map. It only covers half of the Charleston metro
area. It's pretty hard to do anything but email and basic web browsing on
2G. It sucks.
Todd Allcock
"Larry" <no...@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CF99E8F727...@74.209.131.13...
>> Qualcomm chips to power iPhone as well as Nexus
>>
>> http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/06/qualcomm-to-power-iphone-as-well-as-n
>> exus-one/
>>
>
> Qualcomm owns CDMA. This news may portend a shift from ATT/T-Mobile's
> tiny
> 3G footprints to Verizon/Alltel's massive EVDO 3G footprint in the very
> near future. This would be forced upon Apple by the news this week of the
> impending CDMA/EVDO on Verizon NEXUS ONE rollout.
While Qualcomm owns CDMA, they make quite a few GSM chipsets as well-
remember that GSM's 3G standard is based on CDMA. My AT&T Tilt is a GSM 3G
phone that uses a Qualcomm chipset.
I wouldn't read anything into this about it meaning a CDMA iPhone is in the
works.
> City people with ATT/T-mo connections fail to notice how many millions of
> Americans won't buy iPhone because there is no 3G service to connect it to
> across 90+% of the country.
>
> http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gcomparison.pdf
Population density is a funny thing. AT&T's 3G might not cover "90%" of the
country's geography, but IIRC, that 3G coverage represents 80% of the
population.
> Even just adding Sprint's EVDO network triples their coverage area.....
Sprint has excellent 3G coverage for the same reason Verizon does- it uses
the same network as their CDMA voice service. Verizon should enjoy the
limited window of opportunity they have to run those "map for that" ads.
When they and AT&T deploy 4G, they're both back to square one, building out
yet another network...
> Qualcomm makes very good sense, indeed, faced with a Verizon Nexus
> One.....
Many GSM 3G smartphones use Qualcomm chipsets.
DevilsPGD
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>While Qualcomm owns CDMA, they make quite a few GSM chipsets as well-
>remember that GSM's 3G standard is based on CDMA. My AT&T Tilt is a GSM 3G
>phone that uses a Qualcomm chipset.
>
>I wouldn't read anything into this about it meaning a CDMA iPhone is in the
>works.
All of the above is true, however, it occurs to me that Qualcomm might
make it easier to swap their GSM chip for their CDMA chip, rather than
requiring a complete redesign of the radio subsystem.
Wes Groleau
> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote in
>> decisions on colored graphics.
>
> Not in the South it's not. ATT and T-Mo's 3G footprint outside Atlanta and
> SE Florida is horrible. All you have to do is drive 2 miles off the
Yes, it is. I repeat:
> What's relevant is which one has coverage in the places YOU (the
> buyer) will want to use it.
To anyone who actually thinks, whether AT&T has no coverage
in 90% or 5% of the USA land mass is irrelevant. What's relevant
to you is whether they have coverage where you are.
Much of that unserved area is uninhabited.
--
Wes Groleau
A bureaucrat is someone who cuts red tape lengthwise.
Larry
@news.eternal-september.org:
> Much of that unserved area is uninhabited.
>
Not when you're driving through it with a phone reading NO SERVICE it's
not.....trying to call a tow truck to come get the car that's as dead as
the ATT iPhone.
Larry
news:VTH1n.3500$Sk4...@newsfe10.iad:
> I wouldn't read anything into this about it meaning a CDMA iPhone is
> in the works.
>
I think one of iPhone's biggest threats is that multiple manufacturers
embracing Android across multiple carriers with multiple systems, like
CDMA/GSM, are going to attract the developers towards app development for
Android because their new software toys will work in ANY Android-based
phone.....not just the Supersquat V-1 on T-mobile. The footprint of the
developer apps goes way up when their software runs on all the systems, not
just one.
One can only hope more manufacturers will, eventually, be dragged onto ONE
OS, Android or not, which will multiply the available software base for ALL
users, no matter which toyphone they choose next year.
It's why most all computers run the SAME operating system that will run all
the SAME 3rd party apps. That system is Windows. Imagine the horrible
state of the desktop computer if every manufacturer had his own,
proprietary, Apple-style operating system? One only needs to compare the
software shelf for Apple computers with the software shelf for the Windows-
based computers at any Best Buy to see what that result would be.....even
if there weren't this VAST array of freeware we Windows users have enjoyed
for a couple of decades on Windows-based systems....whether we like it or
not.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> > Much of that unserved area is uninhabited.
>
> Not when you're driving through it with a phone reading NO SERVICE it's
> not.....trying to call a tow truck to come get the car that's as dead as
> the ATT iPhone.
highways and major roads have coverage.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> I think one of iPhone's biggest threats is that multiple manufacturers
> embracing Android across multiple carriers with multiple systems, like
> CDMA/GSM, are going to attract the developers towards app development for
> Android because their new software toys will work in ANY Android-based
> phone.....not just the Supersquat V-1 on T-mobile. The footprint of the
> developer apps goes way up when their software runs on all the systems, not
> just one.
maybe. developers go where the money is. if that's the iphone, then
that's where they'll go. if it's someplace else, they'll go there.
chances are there will be more than one system once the dust settles,
just like everything else (mac/windows, nikon/canon, etc.).
> It's why most all computers run the SAME operating system that will run all
> the SAME 3rd party apps. That system is Windows. Imagine the horrible
> state of the desktop computer if every manufacturer had his own,
> proprietary, Apple-style operating system?
apple's system is actually *less* proprietary than windows. ask
microsoft for the source code to windows, even just a tiny part of it,
see how far you get. quite a bit of os x is open source. then see which
one uses industry standards (e.g., mpeg) versus their own (wmv) which
carry expensive licensing agreements.
> One only needs to compare the
> software shelf for Apple computers with the software shelf for the Windows-
> based computers at any Best Buy to see what that result would be.....even
> if there weren't this VAST array of freeware we Windows users have enjoyed
> for a couple of decades on Windows-based systems....whether we like it or
> not.
there's plenty of free software for macs too, whether you like it or
not.
Nexus One's Epic Fail: It is just another Droid!
> "Todd Allcock" <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote innews:VTH1n.3500$Sk4...@newsfe10.iad:
I think you fail to discern that with multiple manufactures passing
the buck with multiple carriers passing the buck people that opted for
Android are in a world of hurt simply trying to solve complex and
simple problems that ruin their Google toy experience. Gradually as
the rest of the world beyond geeks hear of this pain Google will slide
to obscurity just like Windows Mobile.
Rimm and Apple and possibly Palm are the only SmartPhone that end
users are going to love among the masses. Google blew it with an
inadequate business model that was not focused on the needs of the
real consumer.
But Linux users are used to a life of pain when it comes to hardware
so Droids may still be around, just not economically viable for
anyone.
Nexus One's Epic Fail: It is just another Droid!
> state of the desktop computer if every manufacturer had his own,
> proprietary, Apple-style operating system? One only needs to compare the
> software shelf for Apple computers with the software shelf for the Windows-
> based computers at any Best Buy to see what that result would be.....even
> if there weren't this VAST array of freeware we Windows users have enjoyed
> for a couple of decades on Windows-based systems....whether we like it or
> not.
Larry smoking DOPE has altered your vision of reality. Since I have
adopted the MAC OS life has become immensely easier and more
productive with very little additional cost.
I laugh daily at the things I have found that do not compare to the
crap you buy in windows. I also laugh at the quality of certain OS
items that exceed the quality of shareware crap found in hundreds of
variations in windows.
Apple is truly worth the money in many ways when it comes to freedom
from the pain associated with choosing the bizarre alternatives.
kevinkei...@sbcglobal.net
"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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They do ? Not always. Around here, Verizon and AT&T have gaps on major
highways. In lots of area's both don't work.
Larry
nos...@nospam.invalid:
> apple's system is actually *less* proprietary than windows. ask
> microsoft for the source code to windows, even just a tiny part of it,
> see how far you get. quite a bit of os x is open source. then see which
> one uses industry standards (e.g., mpeg) versus their own (wmv) which
> carry expensive licensing agreements.
>
>
I realize where your heart is, but even the most hardcore Apple fanboi
must admit the VAST majority of the software, even if you don't include
freeware, is written for the Windows platform by a WIDE margin.
It doesn't make any difference how wonderful OSX or Iphone OS is. You
buy the hardware to run the software. The software runs on Windows so
you shoot yourself in the foot and buy an OSX box to run it on?
I don't think so......
CES has lots of new Android phones from all kinds of places. If that
trend continues, it may be the end of the proprietary sellphone operating
systems that have plagued us since we turned off the bagphones. If one
OS emerges across a wide range of systems, manufacturers and carriers,
that OS will sweep away the others. For a long time, that OS was
Symbian, the OS of most sellphones on the planet. But, Symbian is
showing its age. Nokia is betting the farm on Maemo Linux and the open
source community. But, from the look of it, Android is rapidly emerging
as the smartphone OS of choice.
We'll sit back and see.....
Larry
wrote in news:97032e3b-b7d7-44a8-a0c1-5f33ff027957
@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> Larry smoking DOPE has altered your vision of reality.
Vic, you'd buy Apple if liquid shit poured out the bottom of it.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> I realize where your heart is, but even the most hardcore Apple fanboi
> must admit the VAST majority of the software, even if you don't include
> freeware, is written for the Windows platform by a WIDE margin.
do you have actual numbers or are you talking out your butt again?
major software titles exist on both platforms (office, photoshop,
firefox). sure there's some windows only software but there's some mac
only software too. there's also a lot of unix software that's also not
windows. the cool thing about the mac is that it can run *all* of it.
> It doesn't make any difference how wonderful OSX or Iphone OS is. You
> buy the hardware to run the software. The software runs on Windows so
> you shoot yourself in the foot and buy an OSX box to run it on?
there's *plenty* of mac and unix software and macs run windows software
just fine for the occasional app that has no counterpart.
> I don't think so......
remove the word 'so' and that statement will be accurate.
> CES has lots of new Android phones from all kinds of places.
so what? ces has a lot of stuff, a lot of which will never be a
commercial success.
> If that
> trend continues, it may be the end of the proprietary sellphone operating
> systems that have plagued us since we turned off the bagphones. If one
> OS emerges across a wide range of systems, manufacturers and carriers,
> that OS will sweep away the others. For a long time, that OS was
> Symbian, the OS of most sellphones on the planet. But, Symbian is
> showing its age. Nokia is betting the farm on Maemo Linux and the open
> source community. But, from the look of it, Android is rapidly emerging
> as the smartphone OS of choice.
android is not perfect either. did you know that you can only
copy/paste some text, not all? and developers need to deal with
multiple screen sizes and multiple feature sets, making developing for
it a bit more involved.
> We'll sit back and see.....
yes
Wes Groleau
> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote in news:hi9b10$b3j$1
>
> Not when you're driving through it with a phone reading NO SERVICE it's
> not.....trying to call a tow truck to come get the car that's as dead as
> the ATT iPhone.
If you plan on driving through there, then you consider that in your
purchase. But if you, like 90% of Americans live in a city and use
interstates when not at home, then you can get whichever gives you
the features you want.
Basing a purchase decision on advertising graphics is stupid.
--
Wes Groleau
The fight: learning and monitoring vs. acquisition and spontaneity
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=50
Larry
nos...@nospam.invalid:
> do you have actual numbers or are you talking out your butt again?
>
Yours:
http://download.cnet.com/mac/?tag=hdr;snav
Theirs:
http://download.cnet.com/windows/?tag=hdr;snav
Any fool would have to be completely blind not to see the difference.....
......on any non-Apple-only website.....
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> Any fool would have to be completely blind not to see the difference.....
there's plenty more software than what's listed at cnet.
Larry
news:100120102300189915%nos...@nospam.invalid:
Sure there is! Thousands of Windows sites...hundreds of Apple. That
doesn't change the point, however......