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Apr 16, 2019, 4:48:17 PM4/16/19
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We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
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Apr 16, 2019, 4:57:05 PM4/16/19
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> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/inde
its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
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fix that shit.
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> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/inde
> x.html>
>
> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
>
> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
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Beedle
Apr 16, 2019, 5:08:58 PM4/16/19
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On Apr 16, 2019, nospam wrote
(in article<160420191657058433%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
I only recently started to see acceptable LTE service. It’s always said
LTE, but the speed was so bad you’d never know it. And then it started to
get better. Somehow I don’t think this translates into anything I’ll
experience for a long long time anyway. The LTE speeds I’m only now getting
seem fine to me.
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Beedle
(in article<160420191657058433%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
LTE, but the speed was so bad you’d never know it. And then it started to
get better. Somehow I don’t think this translates into anything I’ll
experience for a long long time anyway. The LTE speeds I’m only now getting
seem fine to me.
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Beedle
nospam
Apr 16, 2019, 5:25:47 PM4/16/19
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In article <0001HW.22667BE500...@news.giganews.com>,
Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
> I only recently started to see acceptable LTE service. Itšs always said
> LTE, but the speed was so bad youšd never know it. And then it started to
> get better. Somehow I donšt think this translates into anything Išll
> experience for a long long time anyway. The LTE speeds Išm only now getting
> seem fine to me.
it's surprising lte has taken so long to roll out to your area, but in
any event, it's more than adequate for most people.
the benefits of 5g, which is more than just faster speeds, are a few
years off.
very, very few phones will have 5g in 2020, and those will have a lot
of compromises, namely battery life.
Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
> I only recently started to see acceptable LTE service. Itšs always said
> LTE, but the speed was so bad youšd never know it. And then it started to
> get better. Somehow I donšt think this translates into anything Išll
> experience for a long long time anyway. The LTE speeds Išm only now getting
> seem fine to me.
it's surprising lte has taken so long to roll out to your area, but in
any event, it's more than adequate for most people.
the benefits of 5g, which is more than just faster speeds, are a few
years off.
very, very few phones will have 5g in 2020, and those will have a lot
of compromises, namely battery life.
Beedle
Apr 16, 2019, 5:38:55 PM4/16/19
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On Apr 16, 2019, nospam wrote
(in article<160420191725461769%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
> > I only recently started to see acceptable LTE service. It¹s always said
> > LTE, but the speed was so bad you¹d never know it. And then it started to
> > get better. Somehow I don¹t think this translates into anything I¹ll
> > experience for a long long time anyway. The LTE speeds I¹m only now getting
> > seem fine to me.
>
> it's surprising lte has taken so long to roll out to your area, but in
> any event, it's more than adequate for most people.
>
> the benefits of 5g, which is more than just faster speeds, are a few
> years off.
>
> very, very few phones will have 5g in 2020, and those will have a lot
> of compromises, namely battery life.
I don’t want to compromise on battery life. If you’re away from wifi all
>
> it's surprising lte has taken so long to roll out to your area, but in
> any event, it's more than adequate for most people.
>
> the benefits of 5g, which is more than just faster speeds, are a few
> years off.
>
> very, very few phones will have 5g in 2020, and those will have a lot
> of compromises, namely battery life.
day long you’ll notice it takes a toll on the phone. Still say Femtocells
should have taken off. No rush from my point of view to get 5G.
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Beedle
Beedle
Apr 16, 2019, 5:45:20 PM4/16/19
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On Apr 16, 2019, nospam wrote
(in article<160420191725461769%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
> > I only recently started to see acceptable LTE service. It¹s always said
> > LTE, but the speed was so bad you¹d never know it. And then it started to
> > get better. Somehow I don¹t think this translates into anything I¹ll
> > experience for a long long time anyway. The LTE speeds I¹m only now getting
> > seem fine to me.
>
> it's surprising lte has taken so long to roll out to your area, but in
> any event, it's more than adequate for most people.
>
> the benefits of 5g, which is more than just faster speeds, are a few
> years off.
>
> very, very few phones will have 5g in 2020, and those will have a lot
> of compromises, namely battery life.
I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good news.
>
> it's surprising lte has taken so long to roll out to your area, but in
> any event, it's more than adequate for most people.
>
> the benefits of 5g, which is more than just faster speeds, are a few
> years off.
>
> very, very few phones will have 5g in 2020, and those will have a lot
> of compromises, namely battery life.
If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for their
modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That’s what I
thought the Air was going to be and never was.
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Beedle
nospam
Apr 16, 2019, 5:57:59 PM4/16/19
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In article <0001HW.2266846B00...@news.giganews.com>,
phone which can tether.
Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good news.
> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for their
> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That零 what I
>
> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good news.
> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for their
> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
phone which can tether.
nospam
Apr 16, 2019, 5:57:59 PM4/16/19
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In article <0001HW.226682EA00...@news.giganews.com>,
> day long youšll notice it takes a toll on the phone.
early android lte phones barely made it to lunchtime.
Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >
> > the benefits of 5g, which is more than just faster speeds, are a few
> > years off.
> >
> > very, very few phones will have 5g in 2020, and those will have a lot
> > of compromises, namely battery life.
>
> I donšt want to compromise on battery life. If youšre away from wifi all
> >
> > the benefits of 5g, which is more than just faster speeds, are a few
> > years off.
> >
> > very, very few phones will have 5g in 2020, and those will have a lot
> > of compromises, namely battery life.
>
> day long youšll notice it takes a toll on the phone.
early android lte phones barely made it to lunchtime.
JF Mezei
Apr 16, 2019, 6:01:38 PM4/16/19
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On 2019-04-16 16:48, sms wrote:
> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/index.html>
Interesting that just a couple days ago, there were articles circulating
about Huawei and Apple potentially inking deal for 5G radios.
With the lobbying efforts to kill off Huawei faltering, Qualcomm may
have decided it was better to settle with Apple and get lower price than
getting Apple to buy entirely from Huawei and Intel and Quancomm getting
zilch.
> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/index.html>
Interesting that just a couple days ago, there were articles circulating
about Huawei and Apple potentially inking deal for 5G radios.
With the lobbying efforts to kill off Huawei faltering, Qualcomm may
have decided it was better to settle with Apple and get lower price than
getting Apple to buy entirely from Huawei and Intel and Quancomm getting
zilch.
Lewis
Apr 16, 2019, 6:11:22 PM4/16/19
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In message <160420191657058433%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <q95f2f$40l$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/inde
>> x.html>
>>
>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
There was never any chance at all that Apple would jump into the 5G
> In article <q95f2f$40l$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/inde
>> x.html>
>>
>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
morass this year. I doubt very much they will do so next year either, or
they will ship with 5G disabled and let you turn it on for a
"spectacularly wasteful batter drain experience."
5G is not ready., It won't be ready next year. Various "show off tests"
in ideal circumstances, standing NEXT toe a 5G antenna, have failed
totally. It's going to be a few year before we see 5G.
--
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Beedle
Apr 16, 2019, 6:14:15 PM4/16/19
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On Apr 16, 2019, nospam wrote
(in article<160420191757597707%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
> In article<0001HW.2266846B00...@news.giganews.com>,
> Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
> >
> > I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good news.
> > If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for their
> > thought the Air was going to be and never was.
>
> there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> phone which can tether.
Right about that, but the iPad can tether and still buy iPads with their own
>
> there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> phone which can tether.
LTE. Same with the watch. I got it with LTE. Would like LTE in my Mac. I’d
pay extra for that.
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Beedle
Lewis
Apr 16, 2019, 6:16:45 PM4/16/19
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In message <160420191757597707%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <0001HW.2266846B00...@news.giganews.com>,
> Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good news.
>> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for their
>> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That¹s what I
> In article <0001HW.2266846B00...@news.giganews.com>,
> Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good news.
>> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for their
>> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
> there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> phone which can tether.
Not everyone has that, as many carriers limit and.or charge for
> there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> phone which can tether.
tethering. Also, it is far less convenient which is why people buy LTE
iPads. Not me, but, you know, people.
--
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circle of light. And the dark of the moon was only darkness. But
half-way between the two, when the moon was between the worlds of light
and dark, when even the moon lived on the edge... maybe then a witch
could believe in the moon. --Witches Abroad
Beedle
Apr 16, 2019, 6:23:22 PM4/16/19
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On Apr 16, 2019, Lewis wrote
(in article <slrnqbcko9....@Snow.local>):
Wouldn’t this be a major overhaul of the existing infrastructure? If yes,
they are moving too quickly. Doesn’t sound like this is ready to roll out
any time soon. I’m not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
life.
--
Beedle
(in article <slrnqbcko9....@Snow.local>):
they are moving too quickly. Doesn’t sound like this is ready to roll out
any time soon. I’m not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
life.
--
Beedle
nospam
Apr 16, 2019, 6:34:29 PM4/16/19
to
In article <0001HW.22668D5500...@news.giganews.com>,
> they are moving too quickly. Doesnąt sound like this is ready to roll out
> any time soon. Iąm not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
> life.
not so much an overhaul, but a *lot* of new infrastructure.
the rollout will be slow. anyone who claims otherwise is lying.
<https://www.businessinsider.com/5g-wireless-service-is-coming-but-deloi
tte-forecasts-slow-rollout-2018-12>
But even by 2025, a small majority of Americans ‹ and even larger
percentages of people in other countries ‹ will still be connecting
their phones using older technologies.
...
"Make no mistake: 5G is the connectivity technology of the future,"
Deloitte researchers Duncan Stewart and Paul Lee said in the report.
But, they added, 5G's "adoption curve may be relatively shallow in
the next 12 to 24 months, and it will likely take years for 5G to
replicate 4G's marketplace dominance."
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620024-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte-worldwide.jpg?thumb=y&width=980&height=600>
Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >
> > > that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> > > its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
> >
> > There was never any chance at all that Apple would jump into the 5G
> > morass this year. I doubt very much they will do so next year either, or
> > they will ship with 5G disabled and let you turn it on for a
> > "spectacularly wasteful batter drain experience."
> >
> > 5G is not ready., It won't be ready next year. Various "show off tests"
> > in ideal circumstances, standing NEXT toe a 5G antenna, have failed
> > totally. It's going to be a few year before we see 5G.
>
> Wouldnąt this be a major overhaul of the existing infrastructure? If yes,
> >
> > > that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> > > its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
> >
> > There was never any chance at all that Apple would jump into the 5G
> > morass this year. I doubt very much they will do so next year either, or
> > they will ship with 5G disabled and let you turn it on for a
> > "spectacularly wasteful batter drain experience."
> >
> > 5G is not ready., It won't be ready next year. Various "show off tests"
> > in ideal circumstances, standing NEXT toe a 5G antenna, have failed
> > totally. It's going to be a few year before we see 5G.
>
> they are moving too quickly. Doesnąt sound like this is ready to roll out
> any time soon. Iąm not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
> life.
not so much an overhaul, but a *lot* of new infrastructure.
the rollout will be slow. anyone who claims otherwise is lying.
<https://www.businessinsider.com/5g-wireless-service-is-coming-but-deloi
tte-forecasts-slow-rollout-2018-12>
But even by 2025, a small majority of Americans ‹ and even larger
percentages of people in other countries ‹ will still be connecting
their phones using older technologies.
...
"Make no mistake: 5G is the connectivity technology of the future,"
Deloitte researchers Duncan Stewart and Paul Lee said in the report.
But, they added, 5G's "adoption curve may be relatively shallow in
the next 12 to 24 months, and it will likely take years for 5G to
replicate 4G's marketplace dominance."
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620024-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte-worldwide.jpg?thumb=y&width=980&height=600>
nospam
Apr 16, 2019, 6:34:30 PM4/16/19
to
In article <slrnqbcl2c....@Snow.local>, Lewis
on the phone. it's all done automatically.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good
> >> news.
> >> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for
> >> their
> >> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
> >> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good
> >> news.
> >> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for
> >> their
> >> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
>
> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> > phone which can tether.
>
> Not everyone has that, as many carriers limit and.or charge for
> tethering. Also, it is far less convenient which is why people buy LTE
> iPads. Not me, but, you know, people.
for iphones, it's very convenient. there's no need to set anything up
>
> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> > phone which can tether.
>
> Not everyone has that, as many carriers limit and.or charge for
> tethering. Also, it is far less convenient which is why people buy LTE
> iPads. Not me, but, you know, people.
on the phone. it's all done automatically.
nospam
Apr 16, 2019, 6:34:31 PM4/16/19
to
In article <0001HW.22668B3200...@news.giganews.com>,
Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
> > > modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
> pay extra for that.
you might, but there aren't enough others who would to justify making
it.
Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
> > > modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
> > > thought the Air was going to be and never was.
> >
> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> > phone which can tether.
>
> Right about that, but the iPad can tether and still buy iPads with their own
> LTE. Same with the watch. I got it with LTE. Would like LTE in my Mac. Iąd
> >
> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> > phone which can tether.
>
> Right about that, but the iPad can tether and still buy iPads with their own
> pay extra for that.
you might, but there aren't enough others who would to justify making
it.
sms
Apr 16, 2019, 7:04:32 PM4/16/19
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On 4/16/2019 2:45 PM, Beedle wrote:
<snip>
> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good news.
> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for their
> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That’s what I
> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
The Microsoft Surface with LTE is very popular and they can't keep up
with demand.
I'd love to not have to carry around a Mi-Fi or a USB modem for my
laptop. But since I can't use a Macbook for the work I do it is
immaterial. I need a touchscreen laptop with a stylus (Windows Ink).
<snip>
> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good news.
> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for their
> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That’s what I
> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
with demand.
I'd love to not have to carry around a Mi-Fi or a USB modem for my
laptop. But since I can't use a Macbook for the work I do it is
immaterial. I need a touchscreen laptop with a stylus (Windows Ink).
sms
Apr 16, 2019, 7:09:49 PM4/16/19
to
On 4/16/2019 3:23 PM, Beedle wrote:
<snip>
> Wouldn’t this be a major overhaul of the existing infrastructure? If yes,
> they are moving too quickly. Doesn’t sound like this is ready to roll out
> any time soon. I’m not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
> life.
The issue isn't whether 5G infrastructure is ready,
The issue is that you have a lot of people putting off new phone
purchases until 5G is available. Long-term it won't matter to Apple (or
Samsung) because everyone will eventually buy a 5G phone, but in the
short term it will mean slower sales as people wait for 5G phones.
Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
They were late with 3G and LTE and it didn't hurt them, and being late
with 5G won't have any lasting effects. Personally, I will keep my 6s
Plus for another year or two and then upgrade to a 5G model in 2020 or 2021.
<snip>
> Wouldn’t this be a major overhaul of the existing infrastructure? If yes,
> they are moving too quickly. Doesn’t sound like this is ready to roll out
> any time soon. I’m not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
> life.
The issue is that you have a lot of people putting off new phone
purchases until 5G is available. Long-term it won't matter to Apple (or
Samsung) because everyone will eventually buy a 5G phone, but in the
short term it will mean slower sales as people wait for 5G phones.
Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
They were late with 3G and LTE and it didn't hurt them, and being late
with 5G won't have any lasting effects. Personally, I will keep my 6s
Plus for another year or two and then upgrade to a 5G model in 2020 or 2021.
nospam
Apr 16, 2019, 7:23:51 PM4/16/19
to
In article <q95n1p$hil$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
<https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/26905-39065-AAPLiPadMacSurface
Revenues-l.jpg>
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> The Microsoft Surface with LTE is very popular and they can't keep up
> with demand.
nonsense. it doesn't sell in any appreciable quantities.
> The Microsoft Surface with LTE is very popular and they can't keep up
> with demand.
<https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/26905-39065-AAPLiPadMacSurface
Revenues-l.jpg>
nospam
Apr 16, 2019, 7:23:51 PM4/16/19
to
In article <q95nbs$j1r$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > Wouldnšt this be a major overhaul of the existing infrastructure? If yes,
> > they are moving too quickly. Doesnšt sound like this is ready to roll out
> > any time soon. Išm not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
to use 5g in a phone.
people will be paying for a feature they *can't* use.
> The issue is that you have a lot of people putting off new phone
> purchases until 5G is available. Long-term it won't matter to Apple (or
> Samsung) because everyone will eventually buy a 5G phone, but in the
> short term it will mean slower sales as people wait for 5G phones.
it will not have any appreciable effect on sales.
> Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
> They were late with 3G and LTE and it didn't hurt them, and being late
> with 5G won't have any lasting effects. Personally, I will keep my 6s
> Plus for another year or two and then upgrade to a 5G model in 2020 or 2021.
apple waited until the chipsets didn't suck.
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fix that shit. again.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > Wouldnšt this be a major overhaul of the existing infrastructure? If yes,
> > they are moving too quickly. Doesnšt sound like this is ready to roll out
> > any time soon. Išm not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
> > life.
>
> The issue isn't whether 5G infrastructure is ready,
yes it is, because without a 5g infrastructure, it will be impossible
>
> The issue isn't whether 5G infrastructure is ready,
to use 5g in a phone.
people will be paying for a feature they *can't* use.
> The issue is that you have a lot of people putting off new phone
> purchases until 5G is available. Long-term it won't matter to Apple (or
> Samsung) because everyone will eventually buy a 5G phone, but in the
> short term it will mean slower sales as people wait for 5G phones.
> Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
> They were late with 3G and LTE and it didn't hurt them, and being late
> with 5G won't have any lasting effects. Personally, I will keep my 6s
> Plus for another year or two and then upgrade to a 5G model in 2020 or 2021.
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Joerg Lorenz
Apr 16, 2019, 11:58:12 PM4/16/19
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Am 16.04.19 um 22:57 schrieb nospam:
launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
> In article <q95f2f$40l$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/inde
>> x.html>
>>
>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
>
> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/inde
>> x.html>
>>
>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
>
> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
nospam
Apr 17, 2019, 12:17:49 AM4/17/19
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In article <q9688j$stg$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:
> >> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> >
> > that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> > its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
>
> It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
it is not, nor is there any rush to do so.
wrote:
> >> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> >
> > that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> > its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
>
> It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
Joerg Lorenz
Apr 17, 2019, 1:05:22 AM4/17/19
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Am 17.04.19 um 06:17 schrieb nospam:
In Europe it is absolutely essential.
arlen holder
Apr 17, 2019, 2:56:36 AM4/17/19
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 13:48:14 -0700, sms wrote:
> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/index.html>
>
> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
What I find interesting is that I easily deduced that no matter how this
> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/index.html>
>
> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
turned out, Qualcomm would NOT owe Apple any money (simply because I
comprehended the facts of the case when it came to the billion dollars).
Common morons, like nospam & Alan Baker, repeatedly said otherwise:
o But apologists _never_ seem to comprehend even the _simplest_ of facts.
In this case, it was exactly as I had surmised based on the facts:
"The settlement includes an unspecified payment from Apple
to chipmaker Qualcomm (QCOM)"
Yet again, the apologists prove to be utter morons.
o Qualcomm seeks $31 million from Apple ($1.41 per iPhone with Intel radio
chips) for 3 patent infringements in half the iPhones sold
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/-u600QXp0Js/NEEUjpjjBwAJ>
o Apple ... and... Three Qualcomm Patents
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/6yjbZWpBad4/s5oZlSmGBQAJ>
What I find common with the apologists are two fundamental traits:
o Apologists can't seem to comprehend even the simplest of facts
o Hence, Apologists almost always prove to own imaginary belief systems
They deny facts out of hand
o Why?
I don't know why but I suspect facts threaten their imaginary beliefs.
Lewis
Apr 17, 2019, 5:52:22 AM4/17/19
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In message <q95nbs$j1r$1...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/16/2019 3:23 PM, Beedle wrote:
> <snip>
>> Wouldn’t this be a major overhaul of the existing infrastructure? If yes,
>> they are moving too quickly. Doesn’t sound like this is ready to roll out
>> any time soon. I’m not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
>> life.
> The issue isn't whether 5G infrastructure is ready,
Of course it is.
> On 4/16/2019 3:23 PM, Beedle wrote:
> <snip>
>> Wouldn’t this be a major overhaul of the existing infrastructure? If yes,
>> they are moving too quickly. Doesn’t sound like this is ready to roll out
>> any time soon. I’m not even sure why I would want it. Want better battery
>> life.
> The issue isn't whether 5G infrastructure is ready,
> The issue is that you have a lot of people putting off new phone
> purchases until 5G is available.
small, and it will not be available to them, so there is little reasons
to buy it. Sure, some people who think they are in the know but aren't
might be swept up in wanting to spend $2000 on a 5G phone, but that's
not enough to sustain a business.
> Long-term it won't matter to Apple (or Samsung) because everyone will
> eventually buy a 5G phone, but in the short term it will mean slower
> sales as people wait for 5G phones.
> Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
> They were late with 3G
handle 2G at the time.
> and LTE
Nope, not at all. LTE was still very much in the rolling out stage when
Apple added it.
> ---
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Yeah, Nick. Nick's the kinda guy you can trust. Nick's your buddy Nick's
the kinda guy you drink beers with. The kinda guy that doesn't care if
you puke in his car. Nick.
Lewis
Apr 17, 2019, 5:53:35 AM4/17/19
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--
Granny Weatherwax didn't hold with looking at the future, but now she
could feel the future looking at her. She didn't like its expression at
all.
Lewis
Apr 17, 2019, 5:54:25 AM4/17/19
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In message <160420191834309185%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <0001HW.22668B3200...@news.giganews.com>,
> Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> > > modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
>> > > thought the Air was going to be and never was.
>> >
>> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
>> > phone which can tether.
>>
>> Right about that, but the iPad can tether and still buy iPads with their own
>> LTE. Same with the watch. I got it with LTE. Would like LTE in my Mac. I¹d
> In article <0001HW.22668B3200...@news.giganews.com>,
> Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> > > modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
>> > > thought the Air was going to be and never was.
>> >
>> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
>> > phone which can tether.
>>
>> Right about that, but the iPad can tether and still buy iPads with their own
>> pay extra for that.
> you might, but there aren't enough others who would to justify making
> it.
That is not the reason, the reason is Qualcomm demanding a percentage of
> you might, but there aren't enough others who would to justify making
> it.
the sales price.
--
If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.
Lewis
Apr 17, 2019, 5:57:15 AM4/17/19
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been locked. also, Apple was never going to put in the current shit
generation of 5G modems into their devices.
While 2020 is technically possible, I'd be looking at 2021 or maybe even
2022 depending on how poorly the 5G rollout goes.
--
"If I were willing to change my morals for convenience or financial
gain, we wouldn't be arguing, because I'd already *be* a Republican."
-- Wil Shipley
Beedle
Apr 17, 2019, 9:16:49 AM4/17/19
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Beedle
Beedle
Apr 17, 2019, 9:16:54 AM4/17/19
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Beedle
Beedle
Apr 17, 2019, 9:27:49 AM4/17/19
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a good network until several years after. The iPhone 4 and 4S where the
first iPhones I thought of as perfect. I had moved to Verizon at that time
and all worked very well. It was the golden area in my opinion.
By the time the 6 was released it felt like Apple has very much perfected
the phone. The 7plus was excellent. I stopped thinking about the network in
the background at that time. With the XS now I am seeing the benefits of
LTE. The way the phone is right now, is what I was told we’d be getting
when I first heard of LTE. From my point of view it has taken this long to
get good LTE service.
A lot of this has to do with my moving. I used to live in congested San
Francisco. I got an LTE connection, yes. But the speeds I got were never as
good as everyone else was getting. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, it
didn’t matter. That land is so congested that no one gets speed. It was
simply a fact of life in the city. Once I moved outside the city, LTE got a
lot better.
Good LTE from my point of view is plenty. If you get 20 Mb down and 5 to 10
up, I feel like that is more than awesome. 5G is not interesting to me at
all. What I have is great. My real concern is battery life. The XS feels
the 4S when I first got it. It feels refined and perfect. This is the one
phone I’ve had where I have no desire to upgrade at all. I like everything
about it. It feels so premium I couldn’t even but a case on it. That would
be an insult.
--
Beedle
Beedle
Apr 17, 2019, 9:27:50 AM4/17/19
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <q9688j$stg$1...@dont-email.me> Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 16.04.19 um 22:57 schrieb nospam:
>>> In article <q95f2f$40l$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
>>> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/inde
>>>> x.html>
>>>>
>>>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
>>>
>>> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
>>> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
>
>> It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
>> launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
>
> Not a fucking chance in hell. The specs for the 2019 phones have already
> been locked. also, Apple was never going to put in the current shit
> generation of 5G modems into their devices.
>
> While 2020 is technically possible, I'd be looking at 2021 or maybe even
> 2022 depending on how poorly the 5G rollout goes.
We’ll have to start a betting pool. Maybe some tiny amount in bitcoin or
> In message <q9688j$stg$1...@dont-email.me> Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 16.04.19 um 22:57 schrieb nospam:
>>> In article <q95f2f$40l$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
>>> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/inde
>>>> x.html>
>>>>
>>>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
>>>
>>> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
>>> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
>
>> It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
>> launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
>
> Not a fucking chance in hell. The specs for the 2019 phones have already
> been locked. also, Apple was never going to put in the current shit
> generation of 5G modems into their devices.
>
> While 2020 is technically possible, I'd be looking at 2021 or maybe even
> 2022 depending on how poorly the 5G rollout goes.
something to make it interesting. Me thinks 2021 for a phone in your
pocket. They might announce it in 2020, but I believe you will not have a
phone in your pocket with 5G until 2021 at the earliest.
--
Beedle
nospam
Apr 17, 2019, 9:47:52 AM4/17/19
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In article <q96c6h$bt6$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:
> >>>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> >>>
> >>> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> >>> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
> >>
> >> It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> >> launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
> >
> > it is not, nor is there any rush to do so.
>
> In Europe it is absolutely essential.
nope.
> >>>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> >>>
> >>> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> >>> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
> >>
> >> It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> >> launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
> >
> > it is not, nor is there any rush to do so.
>
> In Europe it is absolutely essential.
nospam
Apr 17, 2019, 9:47:53 AM4/17/19
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In article <slrnqbdtsu....@Snow.local>, Lewis
with lte. *very* few models exist and they don't sell in high volumes.
it's a niche market.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> >> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good
> >> >> news.
> >> >> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for
> >> >> their
> >> >> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
> >> >> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
> >>
> >> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> >> > phone which can tether.
> >>
> >> Not everyone has that, as many carriers limit and.or charge for
> >> tethering. Also, it is far less convenient which is why people buy LTE
> >> iPads. Not me, but, you know, people.
>
> > for iphones, it's very convenient. there's no need to set anything up
> > on the phone. it's all done automatically.
>
> It is less convenient that having LTE in the device itself.
only slightly, but the point is there's not a strong demand for laptops
> >> >> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good
> >> >> news.
> >> >> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for
> >> >> their
> >> >> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
> >> >> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
> >>
> >> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> >> > phone which can tether.
> >>
> >> Not everyone has that, as many carriers limit and.or charge for
> >> tethering. Also, it is far less convenient which is why people buy LTE
> >> iPads. Not me, but, you know, people.
>
> > for iphones, it's very convenient. there's no need to set anything up
> > on the phone. it's all done automatically.
>
> It is less convenient that having LTE in the device itself.
with lte. *very* few models exist and they don't sell in high volumes.
it's a niche market.
nospam
Apr 17, 2019, 9:47:55 AM4/17/19
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In article <slrnqbdtug....@Snow.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> > > modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
> >> > > thought the Air was going to be and never was.
> >> >
> >> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> >> > phone which can tether.
> >>
> >> Right about that, but the iPad can tether and still buy iPads with their
> >> own
> >> LTE. Same with the watch. I got it with LTE. Would like LTE in my Mac. I1d
> >> > > modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
> >> > > thought the Air was going to be and never was.
> >> >
> >> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
> >> > phone which can tether.
> >>
> >> Right about that, but the iPad can tether and still buy iPads with their
> >> own
> >> pay extra for that.
>
> > you might, but there aren't enough others who would to justify making
> > it.
>
> That is not the reason, the reason is Qualcomm demanding a percentage of
> the sales price.
that's the other reason.
>
> > you might, but there aren't enough others who would to justify making
> > it.
>
> That is not the reason, the reason is Qualcomm demanding a percentage of
> the sales price.
nospam
Apr 17, 2019, 9:47:56 AM4/17/19
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In article <NsidnTdWxJamuirB...@giganews.com>, Beedle
and not that cheap.
the samsung galaxy s10 5g starts at $1200, with a giant 6.7" display
(mostly because it needs a giant battery to power the 5g chipset).
<https://www.sammobile.com/2019/04/01/galaxy-s10-5g-price-release-date-c
onfirmed/>
<bee...@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >>>>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> >>>>
> >>>> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> >>>> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
> >>>
> >>> It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> >>> launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
> >>
> >> it is not, nor is there any rush to do so.
> >
> > In Europe it is absolutely essential.
>
> Why? Are the benefits of 5G fully available on competing handsets?
no. there's only a tiny handful of 5g phones and they're not very good
> >>>>> We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> >>>>
> >>>> that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> >>>> its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
> >>>
> >>> It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> >>> launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
> >>
> >> it is not, nor is there any rush to do so.
> >
> > In Europe it is absolutely essential.
>
> Why? Are the benefits of 5G fully available on competing handsets?
and not that cheap.
the samsung galaxy s10 5g starts at $1200, with a giant 6.7" display
(mostly because it needs a giant battery to power the 5g chipset).
<https://www.sammobile.com/2019/04/01/galaxy-s10-5g-price-release-date-c
onfirmed/>
sms
Apr 17, 2019, 10:47:38 AM4/17/19
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On 4/17/2019 6:27 AM, Beedle wrote:
<snip>
> By the time the 6 was released it felt like Apple has very much perfected
> the phone. The 7plus was excellent. I stopped thinking about the network in
> the background at that time. With the XS now I am seeing the benefits of
> LTE. The way the phone is right now, is what I was told we’d be getting
> when I first heard of LTE. From my point of view it has taken this long to
> get good LTE service.
I met with an executive of one of the carriers two weeks ago to discuss
5G and IOT infrastructure plans in my area. This person said essentially
the same thing. The Xs, with 4x4 MIMO, and the competing Android phones
with 4x4 MIMO, are the pinnacle of LTE devices in terms of speed.
Hopefully the next revision of the Xr also gets 4x4 MIMO. Quality
service is a combination of the network and the handset and is dependent
on both.
> A lot of this has to do with my moving. I used to live in congested San
> Francisco. I got an LTE connection, yes. But the speeds I got were never as
> good as everyone else was getting. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, it
> didn’t matter. That land is so congested that no one gets speed. It was
> simply a fact of life in the city. Once I moved outside the city, LTE got a
> lot better.
I spend a lot of time in San Francisco. There is really no comparison in
terms of coverage and speed there. Verizon has a clear advantage,
especially in the heart of the city. Where my sister-in-law works, at a
large Sutter hospital, it's Verizon only. Even out in the suburbs
Verizon has a big advantage. In my home office I get no AT&T coverage,
still waiting for them to co-locate on a nearby Verizon tower. T-Mobile
and Sprint are not really players in the Bay Area. I know no one with
Sprint, and the few T-Mobile customers I know stick with them solely
because of international roaming deals.
> Good LTE from my point of view is plenty. If you get 20 Mb down and 5 to 10
> up, I feel like that is more than awesome. 5G is not interesting to me at
> all.
The big push for 5G is really for IOT and home broadband service, and to
enable the second-tier networks a way to quickly and cheaply offer
coverage without the big expense of installing new cell towers.
Unfortunately, 5G is such a buzz word now that it's already affecting
new handset sales as consumers wait for 5G capable models before doing
their next upgrade. 5G will come faster than many people realize. This
reality was likely the impetus for Apple to settle with Qualcomm
yesterday, and for Intel to exit the 5G phone modem business since Apple
is apparently their only customer for phone modems.
> What I have is great. My real concern is battery life. The XS feels
> the 4S when I first got it. It feels refined and perfect. This is the one
> phone I’ve had where I have no desire to upgrade at all. I like everything
> about it. It feels so premium I couldn’t even but a case on it. That would
> be an insult.
I try to convince people that paying the extra money for an Xs or Xs
Max, versus an Xr, is well worth it, just for the 4x4 MIMO. This article
helps convince them:
<https://www.pcmag.com/article/364768/exclusive-iphone-xs-crushes-xr-in-cellular-signal-test-resu>.
I tell them, "in a year, you'll forget all about that extra $300 or so,
and you'll be a lot happier."
<snip>
> By the time the 6 was released it felt like Apple has very much perfected
> the phone. The 7plus was excellent. I stopped thinking about the network in
> the background at that time. With the XS now I am seeing the benefits of
> LTE. The way the phone is right now, is what I was told we’d be getting
> when I first heard of LTE. From my point of view it has taken this long to
> get good LTE service.
5G and IOT infrastructure plans in my area. This person said essentially
the same thing. The Xs, with 4x4 MIMO, and the competing Android phones
with 4x4 MIMO, are the pinnacle of LTE devices in terms of speed.
Hopefully the next revision of the Xr also gets 4x4 MIMO. Quality
service is a combination of the network and the handset and is dependent
on both.
> A lot of this has to do with my moving. I used to live in congested San
> Francisco. I got an LTE connection, yes. But the speeds I got were never as
> good as everyone else was getting. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, it
> didn’t matter. That land is so congested that no one gets speed. It was
> simply a fact of life in the city. Once I moved outside the city, LTE got a
> lot better.
terms of coverage and speed there. Verizon has a clear advantage,
especially in the heart of the city. Where my sister-in-law works, at a
large Sutter hospital, it's Verizon only. Even out in the suburbs
Verizon has a big advantage. In my home office I get no AT&T coverage,
still waiting for them to co-locate on a nearby Verizon tower. T-Mobile
and Sprint are not really players in the Bay Area. I know no one with
Sprint, and the few T-Mobile customers I know stick with them solely
because of international roaming deals.
> Good LTE from my point of view is plenty. If you get 20 Mb down and 5 to 10
> up, I feel like that is more than awesome. 5G is not interesting to me at
> all.
enable the second-tier networks a way to quickly and cheaply offer
coverage without the big expense of installing new cell towers.
Unfortunately, 5G is such a buzz word now that it's already affecting
new handset sales as consumers wait for 5G capable models before doing
their next upgrade. 5G will come faster than many people realize. This
reality was likely the impetus for Apple to settle with Qualcomm
yesterday, and for Intel to exit the 5G phone modem business since Apple
is apparently their only customer for phone modems.
> What I have is great. My real concern is battery life. The XS feels
> the 4S when I first got it. It feels refined and perfect. This is the one
> phone I’ve had where I have no desire to upgrade at all. I like everything
> about it. It feels so premium I couldn’t even but a case on it. That would
> be an insult.
Max, versus an Xr, is well worth it, just for the 4x4 MIMO. This article
helps convince them:
<https://www.pcmag.com/article/364768/exclusive-iphone-xs-crushes-xr-in-cellular-signal-test-resu>.
I tell them, "in a year, you'll forget all about that extra $300 or so,
and you'll be a lot happier."
sms
Apr 17, 2019, 10:51:47 AM4/17/19
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with Qualcomm 5G modems prior to this settlement, in which case they
could surprise everyone. It would generate a big bump in iPhone sales.
Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, OnePlus, and Oppo have already shown their 5G
phones. Think of the advantages of launching a 5G iPhone in China.
Beedle
Apr 17, 2019, 12:53:35 PM4/17/19
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On Apr 17, 2019, sms wrote
(in article <q97ea8$uch$1...@dont-email.me>):
The XS is perfection. Not too big. If I want bigger I carry an iPad mini
around. The phone itself I want to be reasonable and not too big in my
pocket. I love this screen. I love the side frame of the phone. I love the
feel of it. Like the wireless charging and the AirPods. I have White, Blue
and Black. The ladder two from ColorWare. The phone has the processing power
to run ANYTHING butter smooth. Apple may have shot themselves in the foot
with this phone. Normally there is something I am looking forward to on some
future phone. Some new camera, some better processor, some better screen. Not
anymore. Screen is perfect. Processor performs to the level of a MacBook Pro.
The storage is vast. The speed is good. 5G isn’t going to get me to move at
all. Don’t care. Good luck getting me to upgrade. :)
--
Beedle
(in article <q97ea8$uch$1...@dont-email.me>):
around. The phone itself I want to be reasonable and not too big in my
pocket. I love this screen. I love the side frame of the phone. I love the
feel of it. Like the wireless charging and the AirPods. I have White, Blue
and Black. The ladder two from ColorWare. The phone has the processing power
to run ANYTHING butter smooth. Apple may have shot themselves in the foot
with this phone. Normally there is something I am looking forward to on some
future phone. Some new camera, some better processor, some better screen. Not
anymore. Screen is perfect. Processor performs to the level of a MacBook Pro.
The storage is vast. The speed is good. 5G isn’t going to get me to move at
all. Don’t care. Good luck getting me to upgrade. :)
--
Beedle
Beedle
Apr 17, 2019, 1:04:39 PM4/17/19
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On Apr 17, 2019, nospam wrote
(in article<170420190947558457%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
Yeah, I’m just not seeing it. At some point things reach a point where they
are awesome. And when that happens the sales cycle gets LONGER because people
are SATISFIED with what they have. For a long while, each new phone was
better than the last, but no where near AWESOME, so people were eager to
upgrade as fast as the vendor could push out a new device with better specs.
I totally know I am projecting here but I just can’t help but feel like the
current phones are so FREAKING AWESOME that we’ve reached a point where
upsetting is going to be much much harder than it ever was previously. And 5G
isn’t moving my needle even a millimeter. I simply don’t care at all. LTE
is finally good. The storage is so vast now that I have more a 100 high
quality YouTube Videos from YouTube Music as my VIDEO playlist. Not audio,
VIDEO. The software is so excellent. Over the years I have tried, kept or
deleted and refined what apps I use and like. Everything I have now is
matured and awesome. I bought a slice of pizza yesterday with my Apple Wallet
on my phone. I hailed and Uber and watched the driver on GPS as the car got
close to me. Attachments in email?? No problem. Saving reports to my
Dropbox... No problem. Vast cloud storage. No problem. Camera is awesome.
One thing left to do is make the phones last longer on battery and be more
durable.
--
Beedle
(in article<170420190947558457%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
are awesome. And when that happens the sales cycle gets LONGER because people
are SATISFIED with what they have. For a long while, each new phone was
better than the last, but no where near AWESOME, so people were eager to
upgrade as fast as the vendor could push out a new device with better specs.
I totally know I am projecting here but I just can’t help but feel like the
current phones are so FREAKING AWESOME that we’ve reached a point where
upsetting is going to be much much harder than it ever was previously. And 5G
isn’t moving my needle even a millimeter. I simply don’t care at all. LTE
is finally good. The storage is so vast now that I have more a 100 high
quality YouTube Videos from YouTube Music as my VIDEO playlist. Not audio,
VIDEO. The software is so excellent. Over the years I have tried, kept or
deleted and refined what apps I use and like. Everything I have now is
matured and awesome. I bought a slice of pizza yesterday with my Apple Wallet
on my phone. I hailed and Uber and watched the driver on GPS as the car got
close to me. Attachments in email?? No problem. Saving reports to my
Dropbox... No problem. Vast cloud storage. No problem. Camera is awesome.
One thing left to do is make the phones last longer on battery and be more
durable.
--
Beedle
Beedle
Apr 17, 2019, 1:11:40 PM4/17/19
to
On Apr 17, 2019, sms wrote
(in article <q97ei2$hs$1...@dont-email.me>):
and an 5G phone there might help Apple’s slowing sales in China. One thing
I would like to see on these phones is that the price drops as the components
become more plentiful. The price is so very high now. With added warranty I
paid more than I ever have for a premium phone.
--
Beedle
Lewis
Apr 17, 2019, 1:20:42 PM4/17/19
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In message <170420190947528283%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnqbdtsu....@Snow.local>, Lewis
> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> >> >> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good
>> >> >> news.
>> >> >> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
>> >> >> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
>> >>
>> >> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
>> >> > phone which can tether.
>> >>
>> >> Not everyone has that, as many carriers limit and.or charge for
>> >> tethering. Also, it is far less convenient which is why people buy LTE
>> >> iPads. Not me, but, you know, people.
>>
>> > for iphones, it's very convenient. there's no need to set anything up
>> > on the phone. it's all done automatically.
>>
>> It is less convenient that having LTE in the device itself.
> only slightly,
No, really, it is. I use tethering with my iPad all the time, and it is
> In article <slrnqbdtsu....@Snow.local>, Lewis
> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> >> >> I do like Qualcomm over Intel for the modems though. And this is good
>> >> >> news.
>> >> >> If Apple was successful at getting Qualcomm to take a fixed price for
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> modems maybe we can finally get LTE inside the MacBook. That1s what I
>> >> >> thought the Air was going to be and never was.
>> >>
>> >> > there's very little demand for lte in a laptop when everyone has a
>> >> > phone which can tether.
>> >>
>> >> Not everyone has that, as many carriers limit and.or charge for
>> >> tethering. Also, it is far less convenient which is why people buy LTE
>> >> iPads. Not me, but, you know, people.
>>
>> > for iphones, it's very convenient. there's no need to set anything up
>> > on the phone. it's all done automatically.
>>
>> It is less convenient that having LTE in the device itself.
> only slightly,
not "magic works every time like it should". I often have to take out
my iPhone and toggle off/on the hotspot and sometimes, though not often,
it doesn't seem to want to work at all.
> but the point is there's not a strong demand for laptops with lte.
> *very* few models exist and they don't sell in high volumes.
Qualcomm's pricing which they are getting sued world-wide over.
--
If it wasn't for the pirates, I bet Star Wars: Ep III would have mad $50
million its first DAY!
arlen holder
Apr 17, 2019, 3:01:29 PM4/17/19
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 07:51:44 -0700, sms wrote:
> Perhaps. But it's also possible that Apple was working on 5G iPhones
> with Qualcomm 5G modems prior to this settlement, in which case they
> could surprise everyone. It would generate a big bump in iPhone sales.
> Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, OnePlus, and Oppo have already shown their 5G
> phones. Think of the advantages of launching a 5G iPhone in China.
Hi Steve,
> Perhaps. But it's also possible that Apple was working on 5G iPhones
> with Qualcomm 5G modems prior to this settlement, in which case they
> could surprise everyone. It would generate a big bump in iPhone sales.
> Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, OnePlus, and Oppo have already shown their 5G
> phones. Think of the advantages of launching a 5G iPhone in China.
Always we first agree on the facts - and only then, deduce logic.
o The facts are as you reported them
Now for the logic...
Apple would have been dead meat sans 5G, the sooner the better for Apple.
o All the big names will be advertising like crazy the possible speeds!
While nospam claims Apple was essentially nonchalant about its lack of 5G
o *The fact is that Apple was utterly _desperate_ for 5G technology*
I said it before and I'll repeat it now, since there's just no way dropping
Intel, adding Qualcomm, and dealing with their 5G modem division changes is
gonna be anything but astronomically expensive for Apple this year.
o Is Apple woefully behind in 5G modem technology such that they're desperate to gain control over 5G modem design?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/BFTipc0f47s>
I suspect this also means that Apple may tone down its imaginary privacy
campaign, since I suspect that was a way to take people's attention off the
woefully slow phones Apple would be shipping had they not made a deal with
Qualcomm for 5G technology.
It would be nice to see in the news if Qualcomm's deal forces Apple to drop
their plans for a design division next door to Qualcomm ... let me know if
you see or hear anything about what they're gonna do with that division.
The main logical question to ascertain is WHEN
o When will iPhones get modem performance that Android phones already have?
sms
Apr 17, 2019, 4:33:06 PM4/17/19
to
On 4/17/2019 12:01 PM, arlen holder wrote:
<snip>
> Apple would have been dead meat sans 5G, the sooner the better for Apple.
> o All the big names will be advertising like crazy the possible speeds!
Interesting article here:
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3389778/what-the-apple-qualcomm-settlement-means-for-a-5g-iphone.html>
If Apple could get an iPhone with the new Qualcomm X55 modem out quickly
that would be a big coupe because so many people are waiting for 5G
before they upgrade, especially in Europe and China.
In any case, the Qualcomm deal assures at least a 2020 full 5G iPhone
while with Intel this would have been unlikely to have occurred since it
was predicted that the Intel 5G modem would have not been ready for the
2020 iPhone.
<snip>
> Apple would have been dead meat sans 5G, the sooner the better for Apple.
> o All the big names will be advertising like crazy the possible speeds!
<https://www.macworld.com/article/3389778/what-the-apple-qualcomm-settlement-means-for-a-5g-iphone.html>
If Apple could get an iPhone with the new Qualcomm X55 modem out quickly
that would be a big coupe because so many people are waiting for 5G
before they upgrade, especially in Europe and China.
In any case, the Qualcomm deal assures at least a 2020 full 5G iPhone
while with Intel this would have been unlikely to have occurred since it
was predicted that the Intel 5G modem would have not been ready for the
2020 iPhone.
nospam
Apr 17, 2019, 4:56:31 PM4/17/19
to
In article <q982hv$ehb$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
and in the few places where they are, it doesn't offer anything over
lte, yet.
> In any case, the Qualcomm deal assures at least a 2020 full 5G iPhone
it assures nothing.
apple will release a 5g phone whenever they decide to do so, not when
you think they should.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> If Apple could get an iPhone with the new Qualcomm X55 modem out quickly
> that would be a big coupe because so many people are waiting for 5G
> before they upgrade, especially in Europe and China.
no they aren't since 5g networks aren't deployed in very many places
> If Apple could get an iPhone with the new Qualcomm X55 modem out quickly
> that would be a big coupe because so many people are waiting for 5G
> before they upgrade, especially in Europe and China.
and in the few places where they are, it doesn't offer anything over
lte, yet.
> In any case, the Qualcomm deal assures at least a 2020 full 5G iPhone
apple will release a 5g phone whenever they decide to do so, not when
you think they should.
arlen holder
Apr 17, 2019, 5:46:14 PM4/17/19
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:33:00 -0700, sms wrote:
> Interesting article here:
> <https://www.macworld.com/article/3389778/what-the-apple-qualcomm-settlement-means-for-a-5g-iphone.html>
Hi Steve,
> Interesting article here:
> <https://www.macworld.com/article/3389778/what-the-apple-qualcomm-settlement-means-for-a-5g-iphone.html>
Facts first; then logic.
It's interesting these quotes in that article, Steve:
"A 5G iPhone in 2020 is all but assured, & 2019 may even be possible"
"We can assume that a 5G iPhone in 2020 is a no-brainer"
"it┬ possible that there will be some sort of 5G iPhone in 2019"
That _is_ a big deal, since everyone knows the Intel modems were decidedly
substandard (e.g., 67% slower) to the Qualcomm modems all along.
In fact, the article summarizes the basic logical deduction well:
"it will be tough for Apple to sell a premium, high-priced phone
_lacking 5G_ against other, 5G-capable phones."
Despite nospam's incessant claims that Apple was not worried about 5G, the
facts show that Apple was _desperate_ for 5G technology, and, the logic is
that it didn't come cheap.
Here are the facts in that article:
o Apple will pay Qualcomm an undisclosed sum.
o Apple has a 6-year patent licensing agreement
o There is a 2-year extension on that patent-licensing agreement
o Apple has a multi-year chipset licensing agreement with Qualcomm.
That last fact was a bit fuzzy in that "multi year" means only more than
one year, where Apple will use actual "chips" from Qualcomm, apparently,
according to the explanation in your article of that line item fact.
The logical deduction from the fact of the "patent" license is that Apple
can _use_ Qualcomm technology in its development efforts, which, again, you
can rest assured didn't come cheap.
The facts are such that the only logic one can deduce is that Apple paid
dearly for 5G technology, which, again, flies in the face of almost
everything nospam has _ever_ said on the subject.
The fact is:
o Apple obtained HUGELY IMPORTANT concessions from Qualcomm\
The logic is:
o That didn't come cheap.
>
> If Apple could get an iPhone with the new Qualcomm X55 modem out quickly
> that would be a big coupe because so many people are waiting for 5G
> before they upgrade, especially in Europe and China.
>
> In any case, the Qualcomm deal assures at least a 2020 full 5G iPhone
> while with Intel this would have been unlikely to have occurred since it
> was predicted that the Intel 5G modem would have not been ready for the
> 2020 iPhone.
This Qualcomm deal is SUPER BIG to Apple, Steve.
While nospam pooh poohed the significance of lack of 5G technology in the
next few years' iPhones, all the articles I'm seeing back up my claims that
this is a super big deal to Apple (and likely super expensive too).
For example:
o AppleInsider: The big loser in the Apple - Qualcomm settlement isn't Intel, it's Android
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/17/editorial-the-big-loser-in-the-apple---qualcomm-settlement-isnt-intel-its-android>
o Qualcomm-Apple settlement is surprisingly good for Intel, but it┬ bad news for Samsung
<https://www.marketwatch.com/story/qualcomm-apple-settlement-is-surprisingly-good-for-intel-but-its-bad-news-for-samsung-2019-04-17>
This deal is so big, Steve, that it puts the iPhone _back_ on the market
o Since it was likely that Apple iPhones years from now would otherwise
still pale in performance to Android phones extant today.
This puts Apple back in the game of performance, Steve.
o It's so ASTOUNDINGLY BIG to Apple, that I'm sure it didn't come cheap.
The one good bit of logic is we can hope Apple will drop their idiotic
claim of privacy, which is purely imaginary at best, and focus on catching
up to Android on performance within a few years.
This is a quote that I would echo, based on logic deduced from fact:
"Suddenly, the one or two years of 5G exclusivity --
and Qualcomm exclusivity -- that Android makers and their media
promoters have been trying to turn into a major issue
- has vanished into nothing."
This _is_ a big deal, Steve:
o Within a few years, Apple will be _back_ in the game on performance!
arlen holder
Apr 17, 2019, 6:26:28 PM4/17/19
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:01:36 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:
> Interesting that just a couple days ago, there were articles circulating
> about Huawei and Apple potentially inking deal for 5G radios.
>
> With the lobbying efforts to kill off Huawei faltering, Qualcomm may
> have decided it was better to settle with Apple and get lower price than
> getting Apple to buy entirely from Huawei and Intel and Quancomm getting
> zilch.
Hi JF Mezei,
Fact first, then logic.
I like that you're deducing logic from facts.
o The fact is that Hauwei made an "offer" to Apple
Where adults should (and could) differ is on the logical deductions made on
those facts.
In that vein, I present an alternative logical deduction based on those
facts, but I'm not saying this logical deduction is any better or worse
than yours - I'm just saying it's different (which is OK for adults to
differ on logical deductions).
Here is my main reference for the logical deduction that differs:
o The big loser in the Apple - Qualcomm settlement isn't Intel, it's Android
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/17/editorial-the-big-loser-in-the-apple---qualcomm-settlement-isnt-intel-its-android>
Here's what _they_ (Apple Insider) deduced based on those same facts:
"For Huawei, the idea that its own 5G chips were so good it could dangle
them above Apple's head as it condescendingly smirked that "if Apple
desperately wanted to buy them, it would be a really great friend and offer
them for sale" is now a PR turd that no longer floats.
There's no way on earth that Apple would have ever incinerated its
reputation for privacy and data security by obtaining radio chips from a
Chinese company that is legally obligated by 2017's PRC statues to support
that nation's globally ambitious intelligence operations—with the clearly
stated goal of helping China to gain global supremacy.
There's also no chance that Apple would ever consider turning to a supplier
like Huawei that is notorious for churning out wireless equipment so
incompetently designed that their flagrant security flaws can't even be
assumed to be malicious. The UK's scathing report on how consistently
terrible Huawei was in designing and implementing basic security on its
products made Huawei's sarcastic offer a particular embarrassment for
Apple—like the skinny kid on the playground being bullied for not also
having a PRC ankle bracelet."
In short, it's good that you're deducing logic from fact
o It's where adults can reasonably disagree
The Apologists, on the other hand, spend all their time brazenly refuting
facts, so they _never_ get to the adult stage of deducing or discussing
the logic from those facts.
You at least are deducing logic from fact
o Which is a good thing.
Thanks for _not_ being an Apple apologist!
> Interesting that just a couple days ago, there were articles circulating
> about Huawei and Apple potentially inking deal for 5G radios.
>
> With the lobbying efforts to kill off Huawei faltering, Qualcomm may
> have decided it was better to settle with Apple and get lower price than
> getting Apple to buy entirely from Huawei and Intel and Quancomm getting
> zilch.
Hi JF Mezei,
Fact first, then logic.
I like that you're deducing logic from facts.
o The fact is that Hauwei made an "offer" to Apple
Where adults should (and could) differ is on the logical deductions made on
those facts.
In that vein, I present an alternative logical deduction based on those
facts, but I'm not saying this logical deduction is any better or worse
than yours - I'm just saying it's different (which is OK for adults to
differ on logical deductions).
Here is my main reference for the logical deduction that differs:
o The big loser in the Apple - Qualcomm settlement isn't Intel, it's Android
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/04/17/editorial-the-big-loser-in-the-apple---qualcomm-settlement-isnt-intel-its-android>
Here's what _they_ (Apple Insider) deduced based on those same facts:
"For Huawei, the idea that its own 5G chips were so good it could dangle
them above Apple's head as it condescendingly smirked that "if Apple
desperately wanted to buy them, it would be a really great friend and offer
them for sale" is now a PR turd that no longer floats.
There's no way on earth that Apple would have ever incinerated its
reputation for privacy and data security by obtaining radio chips from a
Chinese company that is legally obligated by 2017's PRC statues to support
that nation's globally ambitious intelligence operations—with the clearly
stated goal of helping China to gain global supremacy.
There's also no chance that Apple would ever consider turning to a supplier
like Huawei that is notorious for churning out wireless equipment so
incompetently designed that their flagrant security flaws can't even be
assumed to be malicious. The UK's scathing report on how consistently
terrible Huawei was in designing and implementing basic security on its
products made Huawei's sarcastic offer a particular embarrassment for
Apple—like the skinny kid on the playground being bullied for not also
having a PRC ankle bracelet."
In short, it's good that you're deducing logic from fact
o It's where adults can reasonably disagree
The Apologists, on the other hand, spend all their time brazenly refuting
facts, so they _never_ get to the adult stage of deducing or discussing
the logic from those facts.
You at least are deducing logic from fact
o Which is a good thing.
Thanks for _not_ being an Apple apologist!
Joerg Lorenz
Apr 18, 2019, 1:30:45 AM4/18/19
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Am 17.04.19 um 15:16 schrieb Beedle:
Yes. But there are only a few handsets available. Swisscom offers 5G
already in 54 locations an by the end of 2019 the coverage will be north
of 50%. The service started a couple of days ago.
https://www.swisscom.ch/de/about/unternehmen/portraet/netz/5g.html
Nobody will a buy a phone anymore that is not capable of 5G irrespective
whether it is needed for a specific service or not.
already in 54 locations an by the end of 2019 the coverage will be north
of 50%. The service started a couple of days ago.
https://www.swisscom.ch/de/about/unternehmen/portraet/netz/5g.html
Nobody will a buy a phone anymore that is not capable of 5G irrespective
whether it is needed for a specific service or not.
Joerg Lorenz
Apr 18, 2019, 1:33:31 AM4/18/19
to
Am 17.04.19 um 15:16 schrieb Beedle:
https://www.swisscom.ch/de/about/unternehmen/portraet/netz/5g.html
arlen holder
Apr 18, 2019, 5:04:49 AM4/18/19
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 07:30:44 +0200, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Nobody will a buy a phone anymore that is not capable of 5G irrespective
> whether it is needed for a specific service or not.
Hi Joerg Lorenz,
> Nobody will a buy a phone anymore that is not capable of 5G irrespective
> whether it is needed for a specific service or not.
I would hope to modify that statement just a little bit, in that Apple
attempts to sell in the *premium* price market, where in _that_ market,
you're paying through the nose, presumably for technology.
For the premium-priced phone to NOT have premium performance, that is the
fundamental reason, I posit, that Apple _had_ to settle with Qualcomm at
almost any price (since the consumer, in the end, foots the immense bill).
In the lower priced market, I conjecture people will be fine with the lack
of 5G for quite some time. For example, my phone, currently an LG Stylo 3
Plus phablet, is fantastic, but, it only cost $130 - so I wouldn't expect
the fastest modems to be included.
Likewise, my cellular iPads cost, a few years ago, about $700 each,
thereabouts, as I recall.
Both of these types of devices are vastly less than the $1500 price that
Apple attempts to suck out of its customer base for the current high-end
iPhones.
For a $1500 device to have a substantially inferior modem speed, is why I
have repeatedly assured folks on this ng that Apple was literally
_desperate_ for Qualcomm's 5G modem technology in a year or two (which, by
the way, is _already_ in Android phones today).
The immense lead that Qualcomm enjoys wasn't going to diminish, and Apple
knew that, which is why when nospam repeatedly claimed that Apple wasn't
worried about 5G, I found it shockingly naive of him to claim that, given
all the facts to the contrary.
All I'm syaing is that people like me will certainly "buy a phone" sans 5G
moving forward, but it's going to be an increasingly rare person who buys a
$1500 phone sans 5G moving forward, IMHO.
nospam
Apr 18, 2019, 8:56:53 AM4/18/19
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In article <q99224$va1$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:
>
wrote:
>
> Nobody will a buy a phone anymore that is not capable of 5G irrespective
> whether it is needed for a specific service or not.
nonsense.
> whether it is needed for a specific service or not.
Beedle
Apr 18, 2019, 2:58:30 PM4/18/19
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On Apr 17, 2019, Joerg Lorenz wrote
(in article <q99224$va1$1...@dont-email.me>):
5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
means nothing to me at all.
--
Beedle
(in article <q99224$va1$1...@dont-email.me>):
I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
means nothing to me at all.
--
Beedle
Beedle
Apr 18, 2019, 3:06:54 PM4/18/19
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On Apr 18, 2019, arlen holder wrote
(in article <q99ejf$slr$1...@news.mixmin.net>):
I bought the first phone with WiMax. It was awful. MiMax didn’t work well.
It ate the battery for breakfast. I ended up just turning it off. I only feel
now, today, that I’m finally getting the full benefit of LTE. In my
experience, all this talk of getting 5G at this stage is putting the cart
before the horse. I very much doubt you see consistent benefit from 5G if you
bought it 2019 or even 2020. It may well be that the carrier decides to price
it in a premium way, in which I will again not be interested in it.
I’m already getting more than 20 Mb down and 5 - 10 up. I don’t even use
that. LTE is totally fine for me. I would struggle to think what the big
advantage is here. Most people just use social media all day. Is their text
message going to be better off in 5G to a degree that they even notice the
difference from LTE?
Maybe you can watch Game of Thrones while jumping out of a jet without any
degradation in quality. Me, I just download the show, then watch it from my
local storage.
I think the world is making way too much of this.
--
Beedle
(in article <q99ejf$slr$1...@news.mixmin.net>):
It ate the battery for breakfast. I ended up just turning it off. I only feel
now, today, that I’m finally getting the full benefit of LTE. In my
experience, all this talk of getting 5G at this stage is putting the cart
before the horse. I very much doubt you see consistent benefit from 5G if you
bought it 2019 or even 2020. It may well be that the carrier decides to price
it in a premium way, in which I will again not be interested in it.
I’m already getting more than 20 Mb down and 5 - 10 up. I don’t even use
that. LTE is totally fine for me. I would struggle to think what the big
advantage is here. Most people just use social media all day. Is their text
message going to be better off in 5G to a degree that they even notice the
difference from LTE?
Maybe you can watch Game of Thrones while jumping out of a jet without any
degradation in quality. Me, I just download the show, then watch it from my
local storage.
I think the world is making way too much of this.
--
Beedle
Alan Browne
Apr 18, 2019, 6:29:44 PM4/18/19
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On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> means nothing to me at all.
It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> means nothing to me at all.
My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
OTOH, there is nothing "wrong" with my 6+ that wouldn't see it to the
end of 2020 either.
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
sms
Apr 18, 2019, 7:03:10 PM4/18/19
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On 4/18/2019 11:58 AM, Beedle wrote:
<snip>
> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> means nothing to me at all.
It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
models are available, unless they are in dire need to upgrade. This is
one reason why phone sales are slowing. The hope is that the 5G models
will cause a lot of people to upgrade "sales could stir back to life
with the introduction of 5G-enabled phones in late 2020, when 5G
networks are expected to be more widely available in the U.S."
<https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-networks-bring-them-back-14829620>.
5G deployment is occurring in my area later this year, first with
Verizon. Do you need a 5G phone, not really. The initial deployment is
more for IOT and wireless broadband.
By 2020, 5G will be deployed nationwide, at least for AT&T and Verizon.
With the longer phone replacement cycle, consumers are perfectly happy
to keep their old phones for another year so they aren't stuck with a 4G
phone for several years. A delay to 2020 for the 5G iPhone is of no
consequence, but a delay to 2021, which some industry watchers were
predicting if Apple stuck with the Intel 5G modems, would have had
significant consequences.
<snip>
> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> means nothing to me at all.
deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
models are available, unless they are in dire need to upgrade. This is
one reason why phone sales are slowing. The hope is that the 5G models
will cause a lot of people to upgrade "sales could stir back to life
with the introduction of 5G-enabled phones in late 2020, when 5G
networks are expected to be more widely available in the U.S."
<https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-networks-bring-them-back-14829620>.
5G deployment is occurring in my area later this year, first with
Verizon. Do you need a 5G phone, not really. The initial deployment is
more for IOT and wireless broadband.
By 2020, 5G will be deployed nationwide, at least for AT&T and Verizon.
With the longer phone replacement cycle, consumers are perfectly happy
to keep their old phones for another year so they aren't stuck with a 4G
phone for several years. A delay to 2020 for the 5G iPhone is of no
consequence, but a delay to 2021, which some industry watchers were
predicting if Apple stuck with the Intel 5G modems, would have had
significant consequences.
Lewis
Apr 18, 2019, 7:08:58 PM4/18/19
to
In message <j6idnTbCM9_PZyXB...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>> means nothing to me at all.
> It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
> My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
> end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. There will be SOME 5G. How
> On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>> means nothing to me at all.
> It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
> My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
> end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
much? Likely very little. Will you be able to use it? Maybe, maybe not.
Will it offer any benefit to YOU in before 2025? Unlikely. Especially as
poor as the LTE currently is in Canada, where it was consistently about
1/10th the speed I commonly get at home (3-4Mbs/ versus 40+).
--
'Pardon me for living, I'm sure.' NO-ONE GETS PARDONED FOR LIVING.
Lewis
Apr 18, 2019, 7:13:59 PM4/18/19
to
In message <q9avn5$mfg$1...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/18/2019 11:58 AM, Beedle wrote:
> <snip>
>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>> means nothing to me at all.
> It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
> deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
> models are available,
Again, you saying it doesn’t make it true.
> On 4/18/2019 11:58 AM, Beedle wrote:
> <snip>
>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>> means nothing to me at all.
> It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
> deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
> models are available,
> unless they are in dire need to upgrade. This is
> one reason why phone sales are slowing.
released and there are no networks to use them on.
> The hope is that the 5G models will cause a lot of people to upgrade
buy into a technology they can't use. It has nothing to do with
reality,.
> "sales could stir back to life with the introduction of 5G-enabled
> phones in late 2020, when 5G
> networks are expected to be more widely available in the U.S."
Weasels.
> <https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-networks-bring-them-back-14829620>.
Oh yeah, they are SUPER reliable.
> By 2020, 5G will be deployed nationwide, at least for AT&T and Verizon.
people could get it.
--
'It's time to-' 'Prod buttock, sir?' said Carrot, hurriedly. 'Close,'
said Vimes, taking a deep drag and blowing out a smoke ring, 'but no
cigar.' --Feet of Clay
Beedle
Apr 18, 2019, 7:16:46 PM4/18/19
to
On Apr 18, 2019, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<j6idnTbCM9_PZyXB...@giganews.com>):
> On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
>
> > 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
> > iPhone.
> > I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> > means nothing to me at all.
>
> It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
> My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
> end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
>
> OTOH, there is nothing "wrong" with my 6+ that wouldn't see it to the
> end of 2020 either.
The new phones, the XS I have is truly beautiful. If you want a new phone you
want a new phone. The 6 is a good model. Super thin and light. You got the
thumb print for buying apps... As long as your apps run well on it, you could
wait.
Even if Apple popped out with 5G on the next phone, what would the tangible
benefit to me? All I can think of is I would have fast data access. But I
have fast data access now. So maybe it is faster. What I have seems plenty
fast to me.
What I have seen at each new evolution is that the first models phones often
hit the market before the infrastructure is ready to go.
WiMax came out and in my area when I bought a WiMax phone. It wasn’t great.
It barely worked. It constantly went back to 3G. And it drained the crap out
of my battery with all the switching from 3G to WiMax and back. So I turned
it off. It was a huge nothing burger.
4G
It came out in a few cities at a time. Little by little they announced more
locations. Eventually I stopped watching cause my damn city kept getting
passed over. When I finally did get, I didn’t get the speeds I saw with
others. Tons of people started to post screen shots of the speed test app.
Mine was now where near their speeds. My area was so congested it didn’t
matter. In fact it never mattered until only recently when I moved out of the
city. Then LTE got acceptable.
When I was in Manhattan, it was similar to San Francisco. It seems to me none
of this stuff works well in major cities anyway, which is where most of the
buyers are. I’ve tried every single network there is many multiple times.
It never matters.
So AT&T called me about a month ago. They wanted to get customer feedback on
5G. Did I want it? Would I be willing to pay a premium for it. I said not
only will I not pay a premium for it, I couldn’t care less about it because
I just don’t buy it that they will have solid infrastructure to support it.
I had an office, thank God I’m moving that too, and it had poor coverage
from AT&T, but solid coverage from Verizon. Then Verizon changed their
network and it was about the same as AT&T. I complained the whole time I was
there, which was about 12 years. No one gives a crap. They don’t build out
their network for better coverage it seems. They stick with what they have.
So 5G, I seriously, absolutely do not give a flying @ss f**k about it. Show
me it working. Show me a real tangible benefit, and I’ll be onboard. I have
no faith they will do it right at all. ZERO.
--
Beedle
(in article<j6idnTbCM9_PZyXB...@giganews.com>):
> On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
>
> > 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
> > iPhone.
> > I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> > means nothing to me at all.
>
> It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
> My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
> end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
>
> OTOH, there is nothing "wrong" with my 6+ that wouldn't see it to the
> end of 2020 either.
want a new phone. The 6 is a good model. Super thin and light. You got the
thumb print for buying apps... As long as your apps run well on it, you could
wait.
Even if Apple popped out with 5G on the next phone, what would the tangible
benefit to me? All I can think of is I would have fast data access. But I
have fast data access now. So maybe it is faster. What I have seems plenty
fast to me.
What I have seen at each new evolution is that the first models phones often
hit the market before the infrastructure is ready to go.
WiMax came out and in my area when I bought a WiMax phone. It wasn’t great.
It barely worked. It constantly went back to 3G. And it drained the crap out
of my battery with all the switching from 3G to WiMax and back. So I turned
it off. It was a huge nothing burger.
4G
It came out in a few cities at a time. Little by little they announced more
locations. Eventually I stopped watching cause my damn city kept getting
passed over. When I finally did get, I didn’t get the speeds I saw with
others. Tons of people started to post screen shots of the speed test app.
Mine was now where near their speeds. My area was so congested it didn’t
matter. In fact it never mattered until only recently when I moved out of the
city. Then LTE got acceptable.
When I was in Manhattan, it was similar to San Francisco. It seems to me none
of this stuff works well in major cities anyway, which is where most of the
buyers are. I’ve tried every single network there is many multiple times.
It never matters.
So AT&T called me about a month ago. They wanted to get customer feedback on
5G. Did I want it? Would I be willing to pay a premium for it. I said not
only will I not pay a premium for it, I couldn’t care less about it because
I just don’t buy it that they will have solid infrastructure to support it.
I had an office, thank God I’m moving that too, and it had poor coverage
from AT&T, but solid coverage from Verizon. Then Verizon changed their
network and it was about the same as AT&T. I complained the whole time I was
there, which was about 12 years. No one gives a crap. They don’t build out
their network for better coverage it seems. They stick with what they have.
So 5G, I seriously, absolutely do not give a flying @ss f**k about it. Show
me it working. Show me a real tangible benefit, and I’ll be onboard. I have
no faith they will do it right at all. ZERO.
--
Beedle
B...@onramp.net
Apr 18, 2019, 7:28:47 PM4/18/19
to
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 11:58:25 -0700, Beedle <bee...@dont-email.me>
wrote:
Nor I and many others. Millions live in urban areas where LTE is
enough for most daily use, like the telephone. Plenty of connections.
Most of my iPhone usage is at home on Wi Fi. But then I'm retired
which makes a difference. When 5G comes along I'll probably go for
it, but it isn't a necessity for me.
wrote:
enough for most daily use, like the telephone. Plenty of connections.
Most of my iPhone usage is at home on Wi Fi. But then I'm retired
which makes a difference. When 5G comes along I'll probably go for
it, but it isn't a necessity for me.
nospam
Apr 18, 2019, 7:38:40 PM4/18/19
to
In article <bl1ibehjk55310p11...@4ax.com>,
it offers little to nothing in the short term over lte, which isn't
being maxed out.
<B...@Onramp.net> wrote:
> >> Nobody will a buy a phone anymore that is not capable of 5G irrespective
> >> whether it is needed for a specific service or not.
> >
> >5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
> >iPhone.
> >I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> >means nothing to me at all.
>
> Nor I and many others. Millions live in urban areas where LTE is
> enough for most daily use, like the telephone. Plenty of connections.
exactly.
> >> Nobody will a buy a phone anymore that is not capable of 5G irrespective
> >> whether it is needed for a specific service or not.
> >
> >5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
> >iPhone.
> >I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> >means nothing to me at all.
>
> Nor I and many others. Millions live in urban areas where LTE is
> enough for most daily use, like the telephone. Plenty of connections.
it offers little to nothing in the short term over lte, which isn't
being maxed out.
nospam
Apr 18, 2019, 7:38:46 PM4/18/19
to
In article <q9avn5$mfg$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> This is
> one reason why phone sales are slowing.
no it isn't, and other than china, they aren't.
> The hope is that the 5G models
> will cause a lot of people to upgrade "sales could stir back to life
> with the introduction of 5G-enabled phones in late 2020, when 5G
> networks are expected to be more widely available in the U.S."
>
> <https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-net
> works-bring-them-back-14829620>.
that's just an opinion of one analyst, who as a group usually get
things very wrong, often intentionally to manipulate the market.
> 5G deployment is occurring in my area later this year, first with
> Verizon. Do you need a 5G phone, not really. The initial deployment is
> more for IOT and wireless broadband.
very limited deployment, and initially intended for non-phone services.
that means no pressing demand for a 5g phone for a while.
> By 2020, 5G will be deployed nationwide, at least for AT&T and Verizon.
not fully, it won't. not even close to fully. verizon is hoping to have
30 cities by year's end, and that's just parts of the cities, not all
of it.
it's going to take a lot longer to deploy 5g than it ever did for lte.
> With the longer phone replacement cycle, consumers are perfectly happy
> to keep their old phones for another year so they aren't stuck with a 4G
> phone for several years. A delay to 2020 for the 5G iPhone is of no
> consequence, but a delay to 2021, which some industry watchers were
> predicting if Apple stuck with the Intel 5G modems, would have had
> significant consequences.
no it wouldn't.
predictions are that 5g will take on the order of 5 years to overtake
lte.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
> > iPhone.
> > I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> > means nothing to me at all.
>
> It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
> deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
> models are available, unless they are in dire need to upgrade.
there is *zero* evidence of that.
> > 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
> > iPhone.
> > I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> > means nothing to me at all.
>
> It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
> deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
> models are available, unless they are in dire need to upgrade.
> This is
> one reason why phone sales are slowing.
> The hope is that the 5G models
> will cause a lot of people to upgrade "sales could stir back to life
> with the introduction of 5G-enabled phones in late 2020, when 5G
> networks are expected to be more widely available in the U.S."
>
> <https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-net
> works-bring-them-back-14829620>.
things very wrong, often intentionally to manipulate the market.
> 5G deployment is occurring in my area later this year, first with
> Verizon. Do you need a 5G phone, not really. The initial deployment is
> more for IOT and wireless broadband.
that means no pressing demand for a 5g phone for a while.
> By 2020, 5G will be deployed nationwide, at least for AT&T and Verizon.
30 cities by year's end, and that's just parts of the cities, not all
of it.
it's going to take a lot longer to deploy 5g than it ever did for lte.
> With the longer phone replacement cycle, consumers are perfectly happy
> to keep their old phones for another year so they aren't stuck with a 4G
> phone for several years. A delay to 2020 for the 5G iPhone is of no
> consequence, but a delay to 2021, which some industry watchers were
> predicting if Apple stuck with the Intel 5G modems, would have had
> significant consequences.
predictions are that 5g will take on the order of 5 years to overtake
lte.
nospam
Apr 18, 2019, 7:38:50 PM4/18/19
to
In article <slrnqbi15m....@Snow.local>, Lewis
and some in the middle'.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > By 2020, 5G will be deployed nationwide, at least for AT&T and Verizon.
>
> Uh huh. Suuuuuure it will. Just like LTE was "nationwide" before 90% of
> people could get it.
where 'nationwide' means 'deployed in a bunch of cities on both coasts
> > By 2020, 5G will be deployed nationwide, at least for AT&T and Verizon.
>
> Uh huh. Suuuuuure it will. Just like LTE was "nationwide" before 90% of
> people could get it.
and some in the middle'.
Beedle
Apr 18, 2019, 8:36:39 PM4/18/19
to
On Apr 18, 2019, Lewis wrote
(in article <slrnqbi15m....@Snow.local>):
I am with you on this. LTE was SLOW to get out there. It was 4G. Then is was
4G something. And eventually, “LTE”.T-Mobile took years. Sprint, who even
knows, they suck. Verizon was first. And AT&T couldn’t freeze a cup of
water at the North Pole at midnight in the winter. We’re in the 4th month
of 2019 and they expect us to believe this will all be in place in 2020??
Yeah, remove the cable from your forearm, put the needle down, step away from
heroin.
If other countries have their networks already deployed and ready, that makes
sense for them. And since Apple wants to make one phone for everyone, I could
see that as a driver for Apple to push forward with 5G as soon as possible.
It won’t matter to me, but perhaps Apple’s China regional sales will
benefit from this.
--
Beedle
(in article <slrnqbi15m....@Snow.local>):
4G something. And eventually, “LTE”.T-Mobile took years. Sprint, who even
knows, they suck. Verizon was first. And AT&T couldn’t freeze a cup of
water at the North Pole at midnight in the winter. We’re in the 4th month
of 2019 and they expect us to believe this will all be in place in 2020??
Yeah, remove the cable from your forearm, put the needle down, step away from
heroin.
If other countries have their networks already deployed and ready, that makes
sense for them. And since Apple wants to make one phone for everyone, I could
see that as a driver for Apple to push forward with 5G as soon as possible.
It won’t matter to me, but perhaps Apple’s China regional sales will
benefit from this.
--
Beedle
Beedle
Apr 18, 2019, 8:37:02 PM4/18/19
to
On Apr 18, 2019, nospam wrote
(in article<180420191939040621%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
Absolutely!!
--
Beedle
(in article<180420191939040621%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
--
Beedle
Beedle
Apr 18, 2019, 8:40:43 PM4/18/19
to
On Apr 18, 2019, B...@Onramp.net wrote
(in article<bl1ibehjk55310p11...@4ax.com>):
I’ve learned my lesson well. If I buy a new iPhone, 5G will not have been a
factor. They may have some other feature I want. If it comes with 5G then it
does. If it doesn’t, I won’t care at all. I think the iPhone and iPad for
that matter have hit a peak. Unless Apple is going to wow is with something
like Augmented Reality, and that needs a lot more power, I feel like what we
have is very powerful right now. Great screens, great CPUs, lots of Storage,
right now you need software that takes advantage of all this.
--
Beedle
(in article<bl1ibehjk55310p11...@4ax.com>):
factor. They may have some other feature I want. If it comes with 5G then it
does. If it doesn’t, I won’t care at all. I think the iPhone and iPad for
that matter have hit a peak. Unless Apple is going to wow is with something
like Augmented Reality, and that needs a lot more power, I feel like what we
have is very powerful right now. Great screens, great CPUs, lots of Storage,
right now you need software that takes advantage of all this.
--
Beedle
Beedle
Apr 18, 2019, 8:42:30 PM4/18/19
to
On Apr 17, 2019, Lewis wrote
(in article <slrnqbdu3q....@Snow.local>):
> In message<q9688j$stg$1...@dont-email.me> Joerg Lorenz<hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> > Am 16.04.19 um 22:57 schrieb nospam:
> > > In article<q95f2f$40l$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> > > <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/
> > > > inde
> > > > x.html>
> > > >
> been locked. also, Apple was never going to put in the current shit
> generation of 5G modems into their devices.
>
> While 2020 is technically possible, I'd be looking at 2021 or maybe even
> 2022 depending on how poorly the 5G rollout goes.
My money is on late 2021 or beyond as well. I just don’t see it coming any
sooner.
--
Beedle
(in article <slrnqbdu3q....@Snow.local>):
> In message<q9688j$stg$1...@dont-email.me> Joerg Lorenz<hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> > Am 16.04.19 um 22:57 schrieb nospam:
> > > In article<q95f2f$40l$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> > > <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > <https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/tech/qualcomm-apple-settle-legal-disputes/
> > > > inde
> > > > x.html>
> > > >
> > > > We may see a 5G iPhone sooner than anyone expected.
> > >
> > > that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> > > its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
>
> > It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> > launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
>
> Not a fucking chance in hell. The specs for the 2019 phones have already
> > >
> > > that will not have any effect on the 2019 iphone, which is already in
> > > its final stages, *far* too late to make a hardware change.
>
> > It is reasonable to assume that this issue is settled that Apple can
> > launch the G5 in the next model ie sometime in 2019.
>
> been locked. also, Apple was never going to put in the current shit
> generation of 5G modems into their devices.
>
> While 2020 is technically possible, I'd be looking at 2021 or maybe even
> 2022 depending on how poorly the 5G rollout goes.
My money is on late 2021 or beyond as well. I just don’t see it coming any
sooner.
--
Beedle
Lloyd
Apr 18, 2019, 8:44:37 PM4/18/19
to
phones. I can and do stream music and video just fine with 4G/LTE now. Same
for my cellular iPad.
--
Lloyd
Beedle
Apr 18, 2019, 9:09:06 PM4/18/19
to
On Apr 18, 2019, Lloyd wrote
(in
article<1663821886.577327293.525856.elfinarc6-
gmai...@news.individual.net>):
That’s how I feel. Everything I have right now, works very well.
--
Beedle
(in
article<1663821886.577327293.525856.elfinarc6-
gmai...@news.individual.net>):
--
Beedle
JF Mezei
Apr 19, 2019, 1:09:22 AM4/19/19
to
On 2019-04-16 19:09, sms wrote:
> Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
> They were late with 3G and LTE and it didn't hurt them,
Those happened during a time when smartphones were evolvimg quickly , so
despite being late with a radio feature, a new iPhone still had plenty
of brand spanking new features.
But today, iPhones are just replaced with a newer model that doesn't
have much different from previous one.
So when the iPhone starts to lag others in the radio features, it
woudn't be compensated by other new features others don't have. So it
becomes a greater marketing challenge for Apple to convicne people to
buy a new iPhone.
And if you know the 2019 model will ne nearly identical to the 2018
model, you might wait for the 2020 model that would have 5G in it, and
that would cause sales problems in 2019 with people waiting for the 5G
version the next year.
> Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
> They were late with 3G and LTE and it didn't hurt them,
Those happened during a time when smartphones were evolvimg quickly , so
despite being late with a radio feature, a new iPhone still had plenty
of brand spanking new features.
But today, iPhones are just replaced with a newer model that doesn't
have much different from previous one.
So when the iPhone starts to lag others in the radio features, it
woudn't be compensated by other new features others don't have. So it
becomes a greater marketing challenge for Apple to convicne people to
buy a new iPhone.
And if you know the 2019 model will ne nearly identical to the 2018
model, you might wait for the 2020 model that would have 5G in it, and
that would cause sales problems in 2019 with people waiting for the 5G
version the next year.
nospam
Apr 19, 2019, 1:14:37 AM4/19/19
to
In article <5KcuE.169742$Dp5.1...@fx27.iad>, JF Mezei
lte and 3g chipsets had high power consumption or physically too large.
early android lte phones were *awful*.
> But today, iPhones are just replaced with a newer model that doesn't
> have much different from previous one.
nonsense.
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> > Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
> > They were late with 3G and LTE and it didn't hurt them,
>
> Those happened during a time when smartphones were evolvimg quickly , so
> despite being late with a radio feature, a new iPhone still had plenty
> of brand spanking new features.
they waited for chipsets that could work with few compromises. early
>
> > Historically, Apple has lagged the industry when it comes to modems.
> > They were late with 3G and LTE and it didn't hurt them,
>
> Those happened during a time when smartphones were evolvimg quickly , so
> despite being late with a radio feature, a new iPhone still had plenty
> of brand spanking new features.
lte and 3g chipsets had high power consumption or physically too large.
early android lte phones were *awful*.
> But today, iPhones are just replaced with a newer model that doesn't
> have much different from previous one.
arlen holder
Apr 19, 2019, 1:26:16 AM4/19/19
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:42:25 -0700, Beedle wrote:
> My money is on late 2021 or beyond as well. I just don┤ see it coming any
> sooner.
Hi Beedle,
The future is always a guess, so I can't tell you for sure, but I would
suspect that "premium" IMAGE is everything to Apple, particularly since
Apple aims for the astronomically high priced $1500 market.
The later Apple releases 5G past 2020 (as the carrier infrastructure starts
growing), the more egg will be on Apple's face, since Android _already_ has
5G out there on the market today.
I understand the infrastructure isn't ready today, but when you pay an
astronomically high price of $1500 for a phone, you _expect_ it to not be
dog slow with respect to the competition.
The image of a dog slow $1500 phone selling for $1500 just doesn't fly.
o IMAGE is everything to Apple (INHO).
Hence, APple was desperate for 5G technology, and since Intel wasn't able
to supply it (apparently), Apple had to surrender to Qualcomm to get it.
I suspect Apple will implement it ASAP, which, I suspect, is an early
release in 2020 (based on the most optimistically realistic estimates).
At worst, I would guess the mid-year release in 2020, but I suspect the
earlier Apple negates the egg on their face, the better it is for Apple's
image.
Never forget, that, to Apple, IMAGE is everything. (IMHO)
> My money is on late 2021 or beyond as well. I just don┤ see it coming any
> sooner.
Hi Beedle,
The future is always a guess, so I can't tell you for sure, but I would
suspect that "premium" IMAGE is everything to Apple, particularly since
Apple aims for the astronomically high priced $1500 market.
The later Apple releases 5G past 2020 (as the carrier infrastructure starts
growing), the more egg will be on Apple's face, since Android _already_ has
5G out there on the market today.
I understand the infrastructure isn't ready today, but when you pay an
astronomically high price of $1500 for a phone, you _expect_ it to not be
dog slow with respect to the competition.
The image of a dog slow $1500 phone selling for $1500 just doesn't fly.
o IMAGE is everything to Apple (INHO).
Hence, APple was desperate for 5G technology, and since Intel wasn't able
to supply it (apparently), Apple had to surrender to Qualcomm to get it.
I suspect Apple will implement it ASAP, which, I suspect, is an early
release in 2020 (based on the most optimistically realistic estimates).
At worst, I would guess the mid-year release in 2020, but I suspect the
earlier Apple negates the egg on their face, the better it is for Apple's
image.
Never forget, that, to Apple, IMAGE is everything. (IMHO)
arlen holder
Apr 19, 2019, 1:26:20 AM4/19/19
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:16:40 -0700, Beedle wrote:
> So AT&T called me about a month ago. They wanted to get customer feedback on
> 5G. Did I want it? Would I be willing to pay a premium for it.
This is a good point that the carriers may price a "5G" plan differently
> So AT&T called me about a month ago. They wanted to get customer feedback on
> 5G. Did I want it? Would I be willing to pay a premium for it.
than the current plans.
We should keep abreast of how they're pricing things, so we can make
informed decisions moving forward.
arlen holder
Apr 19, 2019, 1:26:24 AM4/19/19
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 11:58:25 -0700, Beedle wrote:
> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> means nothing to me at all.
Are you planning to buy one of those astronomically high priced $1500
> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> means nothing to me at all.
phones in 2019 or 2020?
arlen holder
Apr 19, 2019, 1:26:28 AM4/19/19
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 12:06:48 -0700, Beedle wrote:
> I think the world is making way too much of this.
Hi Beedle,
> I think the world is making way too much of this.
I don't have a crystal ball, so all I can do is guess, like you.
It's clear that Apple was _desperate_ for 5G technology, right?
o I mean, the reports literally say they "surrendered" to Qualcomm, right?
So if Apple is _desperate_ for 5G technology, Apple knows more than we do.
Personally, I think a lot of 5G is hype but a log of 5G is technology too.
o Apple would have lost the hype war to Android without 5G in 2020.
IMHO, there's nothing more important to Apple than *IMAGE*
o For the iPhone to appear to be "slow as a dog" (which it would have been)
o Is _really_ bad for Apple's image
Really really bad.
Hence, Apple paid _billions_ for 5G technology (the deal is said to be
worth 30 billion but we don't know the actual details).
Suffice to say this settlement didn't come cheap to Apple.
o Hence, the point is that 5G was VERY (very) important to Apple.
No rational person could deduce any other logical rationale
o Except the apologists like nospam, who claimed Apple wasn't worried. :)
If Apple wasn't worried, they would never have "surrendered" to Qualcomm.
nospam
Apr 19, 2019, 1:48:21 AM4/19/19
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In article <q9bm5r$bhs$2...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/13/18263593/verizon-5g-service-price-lo
cation-launch-date>
...Verizon also announced that its next-gen mobile service will cost
$10 more per month on top of its existing three unlimited plans.
The new prices will now start at $85 per month for the base
Go Unlimited plan for a single line (which is always subject to
throttling and only offers slow hot spot speeds and 480p video);
$95 per month for the Beyond Unlimited (22GB of unthrottled LTE,
15GB of LTE hot spot, and 720p video); and $105 for the Above
Unlimited plan (75GB of LTE before throttling, 20GB of LTE hot spot,
720p video, and a few other perks).
and if you think it's all of chicago and minneapolis, think again.
The initial rollout of 5G for Chicago and Minneapolis will also be
limited. In Chicago, Verizon says that itąll be concentrating service
on The Loop (especially near landmarks like Union Station, Millennium
Park, and the Willis Tower) as well as in the Gold Coast, River
North, and Old Town areas. Verizonąs store on łthe Magnificent Mile˛
will also offer 5G service.
Minneapolis will see a similar concentration, focused on the Downtown
West, Downtown East, and Elliot Park areas of the city, with a focus
on landmarks like the Minneapolis Convention Center as well as the
Target Center and U.S. Bank Stadium sports venues, along with the
Verizon store in the Mall of America.
in other words, only a tiny, tiny portion of each city.
<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:
>
> > So AT&T called me about a month ago. They wanted to get customer feedback
> > on 5G. Did I want it? Would I be willing to pay a premium for it.
>
> This is a good point that the carriers may price a "5G" plan differently
> than the current plans.
not may, but already are, *starting* at $85/mo.
>
> > So AT&T called me about a month ago. They wanted to get customer feedback
> > on 5G. Did I want it? Would I be willing to pay a premium for it.
>
> This is a good point that the carriers may price a "5G" plan differently
> than the current plans.
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/13/18263593/verizon-5g-service-price-lo
cation-launch-date>
...Verizon also announced that its next-gen mobile service will cost
$10 more per month on top of its existing three unlimited plans.
The new prices will now start at $85 per month for the base
Go Unlimited plan for a single line (which is always subject to
throttling and only offers slow hot spot speeds and 480p video);
$95 per month for the Beyond Unlimited (22GB of unthrottled LTE,
15GB of LTE hot spot, and 720p video); and $105 for the Above
Unlimited plan (75GB of LTE before throttling, 20GB of LTE hot spot,
720p video, and a few other perks).
and if you think it's all of chicago and minneapolis, think again.
The initial rollout of 5G for Chicago and Minneapolis will also be
limited. In Chicago, Verizon says that itąll be concentrating service
on The Loop (especially near landmarks like Union Station, Millennium
Park, and the Willis Tower) as well as in the Gold Coast, River
North, and Old Town areas. Verizonąs store on łthe Magnificent Mile˛
will also offer 5G service.
Minneapolis will see a similar concentration, focused on the Downtown
West, Downtown East, and Elliot Park areas of the city, with a focus
on landmarks like the Minneapolis Convention Center as well as the
Target Center and U.S. Bank Stadium sports venues, along with the
Verizon store in the Mall of America.
in other words, only a tiny, tiny portion of each city.
arlen holder
Apr 19, 2019, 1:53:54 AM4/19/19
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 01:09:21 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:
> And if you know the 2019 model will ne nearly identical to the 2018
> model, you might wait for the 2020 model that would have 5G in it, and
> that would cause sales problems in 2019 with people waiting for the 5G
> version the next year.
Hi JF Mezei,
> And if you know the 2019 model will ne nearly identical to the 2018
> model, you might wait for the 2020 model that would have 5G in it, and
> that would cause sales problems in 2019 with people waiting for the 5G
> version the next year.
It will be extremely interesting how Apple _prices_ the 2019 phones.
If we look at the last few quarters, it's clear (to sensible people) that
Apple perhaps vastly overpriced the already astronomically priced iPhones
(where Tim Cook literally said he needed to make the price _look_ cheaper
to the consumer).
Certainly, the overseas consumer is benefiting from the appreciable
lowering of the wholesale price of the current spate of iPhones.
What Apple is attempting to do is admirable, which is that Apple is trying
very hard to buck the trend in electronics for "better faster cheaper".
What Apple is doing is artificially inflating the price of iPhones to
fantastically astronomically high levels, so that their mantra becomes
"better faster more expensive".
IMHO, the only way Apple can get away with that is to over inflate the
IMAGE of the phone, where the customer has to be foolish enough to buy into
that over inflated IMAGE of what the phone actually does.
You'll never hear me say Apple MARKETING is stupid, JF Mezei, where they're
the best of the best in this IMAGE marketing, so I wouldn't say that
they'll fail in selling the 2019 phones at just as astronomically high a
price.
But, what's going to HURT Apple's marketing scheme, which, I must repeat,
artificially bucks the normal trend of "better faster cheaper", is that
their network PERFORMANCE will be atrocious compared to the high-end
Android phones that exist today.
Think about how BAD that is for Apple's IMAGE, JF Mezie.
o It's really really really bad when IMAGE is everything.
For that reason, I don't think Apple _can_ set the pricing on the 2019
phones at an astronomical price as they did with the 2018 phones (which
themselves, showed weakness at that astronomical price in certain markets).
Yet, Apple MARKETING is damn good, JF Mezeo
o Nobody is better, IMHO, than Apple MARKETING
The iPhone is, essentially, all IMAGE... so if Marketing can spin it, using
the imaginary privacy, or the imaginary functionality, or the imaginary
performance (whatever), they will.
Hence, it will be very INTERESTING to see how Apple _prices_ the 2019
phones, particularly since a $1500 phone buyer isn't going to like the
IMAGE of a dog slow phone that will get its ass kicked by the 2020 phones
in terms of network speed.
I don't envy the Apple MARKETING team who has to come up with an idea to
keep the artificially high pricing on the 2019 phones, given that they're
almost certainly going to be dog ass slow compared to Android equivalents.
Lewis
Apr 19, 2019, 1:59:59 AM4/19/19
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In message <5KcuE.169742$Dp5.1...@fx27.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> But today, iPhones are just replaced with a newer model that doesn't
> have much different from previous one.
Idiocy.
> But today, iPhones are just replaced with a newer model that doesn't
> have much different from previous one.
--
'Why is it all Mr Dibbler's films are set against the background of a
world gone mad?' said the dwarf. Soll's eyes narrowed. 'Because Mr
Dibbler,' he growled, 'is a very observant man.' --Moving Pictures
Joerg Lorenz
Apr 19, 2019, 5:15:16 AM4/19/19
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Am 19.04.19 um 01:39 schrieb nospam:
waiting to get 5G-Equipment ie handsets. The operators are so desperate
that they started to sell these "Oppo-Phones" with 5G nobody knew before
and they actively advertise them.
> In article <q9avn5$mfg$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
>>> iPhone.
>>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>>> means nothing to me at all.
>>
>> It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
>> deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
>> models are available, unless they are in dire need to upgrade.
>
> there is *zero* evidence of that.
There is s lot of evidende for this in Europe. Most consumers are
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
>>> iPhone.
>>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>>> means nothing to me at all.
>>
>> It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
>> deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
>> models are available, unless they are in dire need to upgrade.
>
> there is *zero* evidence of that.
waiting to get 5G-Equipment ie handsets. The operators are so desperate
that they started to sell these "Oppo-Phones" with 5G nobody knew before
and they actively advertise them.
Joerg Lorenz
Apr 19, 2019, 5:19:43 AM4/19/19
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Am 19.04.19 um 01:28 schrieb B...@Onramp.net:
tends to be happy with 4G but he market is driven by the age group 15-30.
> Most of my iPhone usage is at home on Wi Fi. But then I'm retired
> which makes a difference. When 5G comes along I'll probably go for
> it, but it isn't a necessity for me.
The average user of this group belongs to the Oldies but Goldies and
> which makes a difference. When 5G comes along I'll probably go for
> it, but it isn't a necessity for me.
tends to be happy with 4G but he market is driven by the age group 15-30.
Joerg Lorenz
Apr 19, 2019, 5:26:41 AM4/19/19
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Am 19.04.19 um 01:38 schrieb nospam:
In the case of 5G the decisive factor is not a technical need for 5G, it
is being first mover with all associated effects. That was always
driving the adoption of new technologies.
> it offers little to nothing in the short term over lte, which isn't
> being maxed out.
It is pretty obvious that you do not understand the market mechanics at all.
> being maxed out.
In the case of 5G the decisive factor is not a technical need for 5G, it
is being first mover with all associated effects. That was always
driving the adoption of new technologies.
Alan Browne
Apr 19, 2019, 9:20:25 AM4/19/19
to
I get LTE here (well, not at home, but at work) in the mid 30's to low
50's on any given day, so, so much for that. At the airport last week
was getting lightning fast LTE - but I didn't measure it as I had other
things to do...
I just tested it here at home (I'm 1 km or so from the nearest cell
site, with dense woods in between - 1 bar only) and got: 13.45 Mb/s
down; 1.02 up; 52 ms ping. At work, much faster.
As to 5G, Montreal is usually the 1st, 2nd or 3rd market in Canada to
get the latest. The plans of the large co's (inlcuding Rogers) in
Canada point to 2020. Rogers has been testing 5G since 2018 in Toronto
and Ottawa.
Rogers is partnered with Erickson on this. So if Ottawa bans Huawei,
they should not be affected.
--
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we
need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
- unknown protester
Beedle
Apr 19, 2019, 9:29:10 AM4/19/19
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On Apr 19, 2019, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<Y6mdnQoXYsKJViTB...@giganews.com>):
It really depends on your location and how congested the network in that area
is. I was saying what my experience was in San Francisco and Manhattan. It
was awful for years. It was only until I moved out of the city that it got a
lot better.
--
Beedle
(in article<Y6mdnQoXYsKJViTB...@giganews.com>):
is. I was saying what my experience was in San Francisco and Manhattan. It
was awful for years. It was only until I moved out of the city that it got a
lot better.
--
Beedle
Lewis
Apr 19, 2019, 10:10:55 AM4/19/19
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In message <Y6mdnQoXYsKJViTB...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2019-04-18 19:08, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <j6idnTbCM9_PZyXB...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
>>
>>>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
>>>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>>>> means nothing to me at all.
>>
>>> It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
>>> My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
>>> end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
>>
>> I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. There will be SOME 5G. How
>> much? Likely very little. Will you be able to use it? Maybe, maybe not.
>> Will it offer any benefit to YOU in before 2025? Unlikely. Especially as
>> poor as the LTE currently is in Canada, where it was consistently about
>> 1/10th the speed I commonly get at home (3-4Mbs/ versus 40+).
> Where do you get that number? Woefully low (and not at all true).
From being in Canada. And yes, it is true. Also, I have a kid in
> On 2019-04-18 19:08, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <j6idnTbCM9_PZyXB...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
>>
>>>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
>>>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>>>> means nothing to me at all.
>>
>>> It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
>>> My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
>>> end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
>>
>> I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. There will be SOME 5G. How
>> much? Likely very little. Will you be able to use it? Maybe, maybe not.
>> Will it offer any benefit to YOU in before 2025? Unlikely. Especially as
>> poor as the LTE currently is in Canada, where it was consistently about
>> 1/10th the speed I commonly get at home (3-4Mbs/ versus 40+).
> Where do you get that number? Woefully low (and not at all true).
Canada.
--
'He's mad, isn't he?' 'No, mad's when you froth at the mouth,' said
Gaspode. ' He's insane. That's when you froth at the brain.'
nospam
Apr 19, 2019, 10:30:57 AM4/19/19
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In article <q9c48h$4v2$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:
> > it offers little to nothing in the short term over lte, which isn't
> > being maxed out.
>
> It is pretty obvious that you do not understand the market mechanics at all.
i understand it quite well. you do not.
> In the case of 5G the decisive factor is not a technical need for 5G, it
> is being first mover with all associated effects. That was always
> driving the adoption of new technologies.
nonsense.
that has rarely been the case.
for example, the ipad was not the first tablet, but in its first year,
sold more than *all* tablets prior to it combined, going back more than
10 years.
the iphone was not the first smartphone, but changed the entire
industry.
wrote:
> > it offers little to nothing in the short term over lte, which isn't
> > being maxed out.
>
> It is pretty obvious that you do not understand the market mechanics at all.
> In the case of 5G the decisive factor is not a technical need for 5G, it
> is being first mover with all associated effects. That was always
> driving the adoption of new technologies.
that has rarely been the case.
for example, the ipad was not the first tablet, but in its first year,
sold more than *all* tablets prior to it combined, going back more than
10 years.
the iphone was not the first smartphone, but changed the entire
industry.
nospam
Apr 19, 2019, 10:30:58 AM4/19/19
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In article <q9c3j3$uv0$2...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
early 5g phones are bulky, have poor battery life and overall, not
particularly good.
apple and samsung greatly outsell oppo, making your statement wishful
thinking.
also keep in mind that samsung's latest phones, the galaxy s10e, s10
and s10+, are *not* 5g.
5g isn't going to matter for several *years*:
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620023-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte.jpg?thumb=y&width=640&height=600>
wrote:
> >>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
> >>> iPhone.
> >>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> >>> means nothing to me at all.
> >>
> >> It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
> >> deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
> >> models are available, unless they are in dire need to upgrade.
> >
> > there is *zero* evidence of that.
>
> There is s lot of evidende for this in Europe. Most consumers are
> waiting to get 5G-Equipment ie handsets. The operators are so desperate
> that they started to sell these "Oppo-Phones" with 5G nobody knew before
> and they actively advertise them.
just because something is advertised doesn't mean it's selling well.
> >>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future
> >>> iPhone.
> >>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
> >>> means nothing to me at all.
> >>
> >> It depends a lot on where you live. In China or Europe, where 5G
> >> deployment is further along, people are delaying upgrades until 5G
> >> models are available, unless they are in dire need to upgrade.
> >
> > there is *zero* evidence of that.
>
> There is s lot of evidende for this in Europe. Most consumers are
> waiting to get 5G-Equipment ie handsets. The operators are so desperate
> that they started to sell these "Oppo-Phones" with 5G nobody knew before
> and they actively advertise them.
early 5g phones are bulky, have poor battery life and overall, not
particularly good.
apple and samsung greatly outsell oppo, making your statement wishful
thinking.
also keep in mind that samsung's latest phones, the galaxy s10e, s10
and s10+, are *not* 5g.
5g isn't going to matter for several *years*:
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620023-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte.jpg?thumb=y&width=640&height=600>
sms
Apr 19, 2019, 10:41:21 AM4/19/19
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On 4/18/2019 10:09 PM, JF Mezei wrote:
<snip>
> And if you know the 2019 model will ne nearly identical to the 2018
> model, you might wait for the 2020 model that would have 5G in it, and
> that would cause sales problems in 2019 with people waiting for the 5G
> version the next year.
That is the problem that the top tier phone makers are now facing, and
it's the reason for falling sales. There's just nothing that's giving
people a compelling reason to upgrade.
The other issue affecting Samsung, Apple, and LG is that the lower-cost
phones are getting much better, especially the Chinese brands like
Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Lenovo, etc.
In the U.S., the top carriers (Verizon and AT&T) will have the major
metro areas covered with 5G much more quickly that some people realize,
they have already begun and installing 5G cells is MUCH faster and
totally different than installing a cell tower. With 5G, the big task is
the backbone, but in some cities, like mine, the fiber backbone is
already in place. Since the 5G cells are hung on existing poles, there
is already electricity in place. Back-up power is an issue and you won't
have the prolonged service during power outages that you get with large
cells, though there could be a back-up battery that could provide a few
hours of service, and there is the option to run power to multiple 5G
cells from a generator installed elsewhere.
Some people say "4G LTE is already fast enough," but they don't
understand the big picture. Even the Verizon CEO admitted that the value
advantage of 5G isn't the "crazy high download speeds, as 4G LTE can be
fast enough at the moment," but the lower latency and much greater
capacity, and much better battery life of the handsets due to reduced
power requirements of the radio.
By the end of 2019, the waiting for 5G will affect phone sales even more
than it already has. By the end of 2020, sales of non-5G phones will
plunge, and will be limited to the low-end sub-$300 or so phones. The 5G
modems will be a single chip that also supports LTE, 3G and 2G (like the
Qualcomm X55) and there will be no upside in building a non-5G high-end
phone. There was just no way that any company could risk not having 5G
by 2020, especially when all the company sells is higher-end phones and
doesn't play at all in the low-end or mid-range market.
Just look at what all the experts are saying:
<https://www.mobilemarketer.com/news/mobile-device-sales-stall-as-consumers-await-5g-studies-say/552303/>
<https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-networks-bring-them-back-14829620>
<https://www.techradar.com/news/5g-anticipation-set-to-slow-down-smartphone-sales>
<https://www.cnet.com/news/5g-will-rule-on-high-end-phones-by-years-end-ready-or-not/>
<https://www.afr.com/technology/phone-sales-slow-as-5g-looms-as-next-big-change-20180802-h13hgk>
<snip>
> And if you know the 2019 model will ne nearly identical to the 2018
> model, you might wait for the 2020 model that would have 5G in it, and
> that would cause sales problems in 2019 with people waiting for the 5G
> version the next year.
it's the reason for falling sales. There's just nothing that's giving
people a compelling reason to upgrade.
The other issue affecting Samsung, Apple, and LG is that the lower-cost
phones are getting much better, especially the Chinese brands like
Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Lenovo, etc.
In the U.S., the top carriers (Verizon and AT&T) will have the major
metro areas covered with 5G much more quickly that some people realize,
they have already begun and installing 5G cells is MUCH faster and
totally different than installing a cell tower. With 5G, the big task is
the backbone, but in some cities, like mine, the fiber backbone is
already in place. Since the 5G cells are hung on existing poles, there
is already electricity in place. Back-up power is an issue and you won't
have the prolonged service during power outages that you get with large
cells, though there could be a back-up battery that could provide a few
hours of service, and there is the option to run power to multiple 5G
cells from a generator installed elsewhere.
Some people say "4G LTE is already fast enough," but they don't
understand the big picture. Even the Verizon CEO admitted that the value
advantage of 5G isn't the "crazy high download speeds, as 4G LTE can be
fast enough at the moment," but the lower latency and much greater
capacity, and much better battery life of the handsets due to reduced
power requirements of the radio.
By the end of 2019, the waiting for 5G will affect phone sales even more
than it already has. By the end of 2020, sales of non-5G phones will
plunge, and will be limited to the low-end sub-$300 or so phones. The 5G
modems will be a single chip that also supports LTE, 3G and 2G (like the
Qualcomm X55) and there will be no upside in building a non-5G high-end
phone. There was just no way that any company could risk not having 5G
by 2020, especially when all the company sells is higher-end phones and
doesn't play at all in the low-end or mid-range market.
Just look at what all the experts are saying:
<https://www.mobilemarketer.com/news/mobile-device-sales-stall-as-consumers-await-5g-studies-say/552303/>
<https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-networks-bring-them-back-14829620>
<https://www.techradar.com/news/5g-anticipation-set-to-slow-down-smartphone-sales>
<https://www.cnet.com/news/5g-will-rule-on-high-end-phones-by-years-end-ready-or-not/>
<https://www.afr.com/technology/phone-sales-slow-as-5g-looms-as-next-big-change-20180802-h13hgk>
Joerg Lorenz
Apr 19, 2019, 10:50:47 AM4/19/19
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Am 19.04.19 um 16:30 schrieb nospam:
for a few days.
The reality looks quite different:
https://www.oppo.com/en/about-us/press/the-first-step-of-oppo-5g-landing-plan--partners-with-swisscoms-commercial-launch-in-europe/
> early 5g phones are bulky, have poor battery life and overall, not
> particularly good.
https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/IWYztmRv6WO0t2HXVlc4trAR4aA=/970x0/2019/02/23/3ae0bea9-021b-40d2-9865-468d8593a30c/oppo-5g-phone.jpg
But you claim to know everything.
In reality you are nothing but a anonymous spammer ... and a big mouth.
Can you imagine what happens to anonymous spammers?
EOD
> In article <q9c3j3$uv0$2...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>> There is s lot of evidende for this in Europe. Most consumers are
>> waiting to get 5G-Equipment ie handsets. The operators are so desperate
>> that they started to sell these "Oppo-Phones" with 5G nobody knew before
>> and they actively advertise them.
>
> just because something is advertised doesn't mean it's selling well.
I did not by any means claim that they are selling well. They are sold
> wrote:
>> There is s lot of evidende for this in Europe. Most consumers are
>> waiting to get 5G-Equipment ie handsets. The operators are so desperate
>> that they started to sell these "Oppo-Phones" with 5G nobody knew before
>> and they actively advertise them.
>
> just because something is advertised doesn't mean it's selling well.
for a few days.
The reality looks quite different:
https://www.oppo.com/en/about-us/press/the-first-step-of-oppo-5g-landing-plan--partners-with-swisscoms-commercial-launch-in-europe/
> early 5g phones are bulky, have poor battery life and overall, not
> particularly good.
But you claim to know everything.
In reality you are nothing but a anonymous spammer ... and a big mouth.
Can you imagine what happens to anonymous spammers?
EOD
nospam
Apr 19, 2019, 11:17:39 AM4/19/19
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In article <q9cmme$cjg$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
reasons.
> There's just nothing that's giving
> people a compelling reason to upgrade.
nonsense. there are numerous features that motivate someone to upgrade.
> The other issue affecting Samsung, Apple, and LG is that the lower-cost
> phones are getting much better, especially the Chinese brands like
> Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Lenovo, etc.
they're getting better, except that someone interested in a cheap phone
would never have bought the higher end phone to begin with, so the
effect is minimal.
> In the U.S., the top carriers (Verizon and AT&T) will have the major
> metro areas covered with 5G much more quickly that some people realize,
> they have already begun and installing 5G cells is MUCH faster and
> totally different than installing a cell tower.
absolutely false. the 'coverage' is actually a very small are of the
few cities in which it's being deployed.
verizon claims 'select areas of chicago', but that's really just parts
of the loop.
> With 5G, the big task is
> the backbone, but in some cities, like mine, the fiber backbone is
> already in place. Since the 5G cells are hung on existing poles, there
> is already electricity in place. Back-up power is an issue and you won't
> have the prolonged service during power outages that you get with large
> cells, though there could be a back-up battery that could provide a few
> hours of service, and there is the option to run power to multiple 5G
> cells from a generator installed elsewhere.
>
> Some people say "4G LTE is already fast enough," but they don't
> understand the big picture.
actually, they do.
> Even the Verizon CEO admitted that the value
> advantage of 5G isn't the "crazy high download speeds, as 4G LTE can be
> fast enough at the moment," but the lower latency and much greater
> capacity, and much better battery life of the handsets due to reduced
> power requirements of the radio.
true, except that will require a *lot* of new infrastructure and won't
happen for several years.
what verizon has deployed so far *isn't* that.
> By the end of 2019, the waiting for 5G will affect phone sales even more
> than it already has. By the end of 2020, sales of non-5G phones will
> plunge, and will be limited to the low-end sub-$300 or so phones. The 5G
> modems will be a single chip that also supports LTE, 3G and 2G (like the
> Qualcomm X55) and there will be no upside in building a non-5G high-end
> phone. There was just no way that any company could risk not having 5G
> by 2020, especially when all the company sells is higher-end phones and
> doesn't play at all in the low-end or mid-range market.
nonsense.
> Just look at what all the experts are saying:
logical fallacy.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > And if you know the 2019 model will ne nearly identical to the 2018
> > model, you might wait for the 2020 model that would have 5G in it, and
> > that would cause sales problems in 2019 with people waiting for the 5G
> > version the next year.
>
> That is the problem that the top tier phone makers are now facing, and
> it's the reason for falling sales.
it isn't, and sales are not falling, other than china and for unrelated
> > And if you know the 2019 model will ne nearly identical to the 2018
> > model, you might wait for the 2020 model that would have 5G in it, and
> > that would cause sales problems in 2019 with people waiting for the 5G
> > version the next year.
>
> That is the problem that the top tier phone makers are now facing, and
> it's the reason for falling sales.
reasons.
> There's just nothing that's giving
> people a compelling reason to upgrade.
> The other issue affecting Samsung, Apple, and LG is that the lower-cost
> phones are getting much better, especially the Chinese brands like
> Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Lenovo, etc.
would never have bought the higher end phone to begin with, so the
effect is minimal.
> In the U.S., the top carriers (Verizon and AT&T) will have the major
> metro areas covered with 5G much more quickly that some people realize,
> they have already begun and installing 5G cells is MUCH faster and
> totally different than installing a cell tower.
few cities in which it's being deployed.
verizon claims 'select areas of chicago', but that's really just parts
of the loop.
> With 5G, the big task is
> the backbone, but in some cities, like mine, the fiber backbone is
> already in place. Since the 5G cells are hung on existing poles, there
> is already electricity in place. Back-up power is an issue and you won't
> have the prolonged service during power outages that you get with large
> cells, though there could be a back-up battery that could provide a few
> hours of service, and there is the option to run power to multiple 5G
> cells from a generator installed elsewhere.
>
> Some people say "4G LTE is already fast enough," but they don't
> understand the big picture.
> Even the Verizon CEO admitted that the value
> advantage of 5G isn't the "crazy high download speeds, as 4G LTE can be
> fast enough at the moment," but the lower latency and much greater
> capacity, and much better battery life of the handsets due to reduced
> power requirements of the radio.
happen for several years.
what verizon has deployed so far *isn't* that.
> By the end of 2019, the waiting for 5G will affect phone sales even more
> than it already has. By the end of 2020, sales of non-5G phones will
> plunge, and will be limited to the low-end sub-$300 or so phones. The 5G
> modems will be a single chip that also supports LTE, 3G and 2G (like the
> Qualcomm X55) and there will be no upside in building a non-5G high-end
> phone. There was just no way that any company could risk not having 5G
> by 2020, especially when all the company sells is higher-end phones and
> doesn't play at all in the low-end or mid-range market.
> Just look at what all the experts are saying:
nospam
Apr 19, 2019, 11:17:40 AM4/19/19
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In article <q9cn84$epl$1...@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
just because they made a 5g phone doesn't mean people are waiting.
> The reality looks quite different:
yep. the reality is that millions of *non* 5g phones are sold every day
and will continue to be sold for quite a while.
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620024-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte-worldwide.jpg?thumb=y&width=980&height=600>
> https://www.oppo.com/en/about-us/press/the-first-step-of-oppo-5g-landing-plan--
> partners-with-swisscoms-commercial-launch-in-europe/
that just means they're launching it, not that it's outselling lte
devices, which it isn't.
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620024-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte-worldwide.jpg?thumb=y&width=980&height=600>
> > early 5g phones are bulky, have poor battery life and overall, not
> > particularly good.
>
> https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/IWYztmRv6WO0t2HXVlc4trAR4aA=/970x0/2019/02/23
> /3ae0bea9-021b-40d2-9865-468d8593a30c/oppo-5g-phone.jpg
a photo of a phone does not say anything about how well it works.
> But you claim to know everything.
>
> In reality you are nothing but a anonymous spammer ... and a big mouth.
> Can you imagine what happens to anonymous spammers?
ad hominem.
wrote:
> >> There is s lot of evidende for this in Europe. Most consumers are
> >> waiting to get 5G-Equipment ie handsets. The operators are so desperate
> >> that they started to sell these "Oppo-Phones" with 5G nobody knew before
> >> and they actively advertise them.
> >
> > just because something is advertised doesn't mean it's selling well.
>
> I did not by any means claim that they are selling well. They are sold
> for a few days.
that's the point.
> >> There is s lot of evidende for this in Europe. Most consumers are
> >> waiting to get 5G-Equipment ie handsets. The operators are so desperate
> >> that they started to sell these "Oppo-Phones" with 5G nobody knew before
> >> and they actively advertise them.
> >
> > just because something is advertised doesn't mean it's selling well.
>
> I did not by any means claim that they are selling well. They are sold
> for a few days.
just because they made a 5g phone doesn't mean people are waiting.
> The reality looks quite different:
and will continue to be sold for quite a while.
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620024-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte-worldwide.jpg?thumb=y&width=980&height=600>
> https://www.oppo.com/en/about-us/press/the-first-step-of-oppo-5g-landing-plan--
> partners-with-swisscoms-commercial-launch-in-europe/
that just means they're launching it, not that it's outselling lte
devices, which it isn't.
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620024-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte-worldwide.jpg?thumb=y&width=980&height=600>
> > early 5g phones are bulky, have poor battery life and overall, not
> > particularly good.
>
> https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/IWYztmRv6WO0t2HXVlc4trAR4aA=/970x0/2019/02/23
> /3ae0bea9-021b-40d2-9865-468d8593a30c/oppo-5g-phone.jpg
> But you claim to know everything.
>
> In reality you are nothing but a anonymous spammer ... and a big mouth.
> Can you imagine what happens to anonymous spammers?
arlen holder
Apr 19, 2019, 11:35:44 AM4/19/19
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 07:41:17 -0700, sms wrote:
> That is the problem that the top tier phone makers are now facing, and
> it's the reason for falling sales. There's just nothing that's giving
> people a compelling reason to upgrade.
I have to agree with Steve that there will need to be "something"
> That is the problem that the top tier phone makers are now facing, and
> it's the reason for falling sales. There's just nothing that's giving
> people a compelling reason to upgrade.
compelling for a lot of people to bother with an astronomically expensive
$1500 "upgrade", if the current hugely expensive $1000 phone is working
fine.
> The other issue affecting Samsung, Apple, and LG is that the lower-cost
> phones are getting much better, especially the Chinese brands like
> Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Lenovo, etc.
o I love mine!
I can't find anything wrong with it, especially given the el cheapo price,
where, for an admittedly low $130, that LG Stylo 3 Plus phablet does all
the cellular scanning, wifi graphing, app launcher settings, automatic
phone recording, tor browsing, GPS routing, offline calendaring, offline
passwd management, offline encrypted containers, todo lists, reminders, app
reporting, etc., that I need.
I used to buy expensive phones when I was working (where the company
reimbursed me for most of them), but, I don't feel I'm missing _anything_
in this el cheapo phone that would make me want to spend the astronomical
$1500 to get what I essentially, already have.
The question of price versus value is always the same for all consumers:
What does a $1500 phone do that my current $130 phone doesn't do?
o And what does my current $130 phone do that the $1500 phone doesn't do.
> Some people say "4G LTE is already fast enough," but they don't
> understand the big picture. Even the Verizon CEO admitted that the value
> advantage of 5G isn't the "crazy high download speeds, as 4G LTE can be
> fast enough at the moment," but the lower latency and much greater
> capacity, and much better battery life of the handsets due to reduced
> power requirements of the radio.
As you're aware, I haven't researched 5G much other than to refute nospam's
naive claims that Apple "wasn't worried". I haven't looked into the
"advantages" of 5G other than the obvious (speed), so it's nice that you
list them out:
o speed
o latency
o capacity
o power
The capacity & power seem to be key if we're heading toward "the Internet
of things", where power is always super critical for tiny devices, and, if
we're gonna have a billion devices connected at any given time, capacity is
always a good thing.
I'm not sure the value of latency, where, of course, lower latency is
always a good thing, where, I guess, as latency drops, there can be more
"just in time" style devices that may care about microseconds.
> By the end of 2019, the waiting for 5G will affect phone sales even more
> than it already has.
every day now that there are actual devices on the market which can be
showcased to their advantage where 5G is available.
That's one reason I am extremely keen to see how Apple prices the 2019
phones. To me, it's shocking how successful Apple MARKETING is in managing
the almost impossible task of making phones better, faster, and more
expensive.
Can you name any other common consumer product that bucks the better,
faster cheaper trend?
Only in a highly MARKETED world (with highly susceptible admittedly loyal
customers), can a company be that successful in bucking the natural trend
of electronics (IMHO).
However, as you're well aware, there has been a "weakness" at the
astronomical price of $1000 to $1500, so it will be interesting to see how
Apple MARKETING prices the 2019 phones in response to these huge factors:
a. They priced the iPhone astronomically high, and, yet,
b. They _know_ people will be holding out for 2020 phones.
> By the end of 2020, sales of non-5G phones will
> plunge, and will be limited to the low-end sub-$300 or so phones.
> The 5G
> modems will be a single chip that also supports LTE, 3G and 2G (like the
> Qualcomm X55) and there will be no upside in building a non-5G high-end
> phone.
> There was just no way that any company could risk not having 5G
> by 2020, especially when all the company sells is higher-end phones and
> doesn't play at all in the low-end or mid-range market.
worried" about 5G was either incredibly naive or simply duplicitious (pick
one).
Apple was _desperate_ for 5G
> Just look at what all the experts are saying:
> <https://www.mobilemarketer.com/news/mobile-device-sales-stall-as-consumers-await-5g-studies-say/552303/>
<https://www.mobilemarketer.com/news/mobile-device-sales-stall-as-consumers-await-5g-studies-say/552303/>
"Users have reached a threshold for new technology ...
which means that unless new models provide significant
new utility, efficiency or experiences, users don't want
or need to upgrade"
"The global smartphone market has slumped as consumers
hold onto higher-priced devices and don't see a compelling
reason to upgrade for minimal feature improvements."
> <https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-networks-bring-them-back-14829620>
o iPhone and Other Smartphone Sales Are Slowing
<https://www.thestreet.com/technology/smartphone-sales-are-slowing-will-5g-networks-bring-them-back-14829620>
"There are multiple reasons for the slowdown in smartphone sales:
One important one, according to NPD analyst Brad Akyuz, is that
phones have just gotten much more durable"
"The devices are so much better: Components are getting better
and better, batteries are getting larger," he explained. "Storage
was also an issue several years ago, but that motivation disappeared
with cloud storage."
Note: I think that motivation disappeared with huge sd cards, IMHO.
> <https://www.techradar.com/news/5g-anticipation-set-to-slow-down-smartphone-sales>
o 5G anticipation set to slow smartphone sales
<https://www.techradar.com/news/5g-anticipation-set-to-slow-down-smartphone-sales>
"Analysts attributed slowing demand in maturing markets where
incremental updates to devices are resulting in less frequent
equipment refreshes, and the popularity of feature phones are
hampering demand in developing markets."
> <https://www.cnet.com/news/5g-will-rule-on-high-end-phones-by-years-end-ready-or-not/>
o 5G will rule on high-end phones by year's end, ready or not
<https://www.cnet.com/news/5g-will-rule-on-high-end-phones-by-years-end-ready-or-not/>
"Qualcomm's president predicts flagship smartphones will move to 5G
quickly -- but in emerging markets phones will still only run on
older networks."
"Nearly all big Android handset makers will jump into 5G early this
year. Essentially all of them, except for Huawei, will use Qualcomm's
5G modems. Amon in December predicted that every major Android handset
vendor will offer a 5G flagship phone by the holidays of 2019."
Note: I'm not sure why they didn't mention Apple.
> <https://www.afr.com/technology/phone-sales-slow-as-5g-looms-as-next-big-change-20180802-h13hgk>
o Phone sales slow as 5G looms as next big change
<https://www.afr.com/technology/phone-sales-slow-as-5g-looms-as-next-big-change-20180802-h13hgk>
"Australian mobile phone sales have slowed notably in the past
12 months, with an annual study finding one in three consumers
also plan to put off upgrading until 5G is available in 2020."
In short, if you have a working phone that you're happy with, most people
are gonna most likely keep it until there is a compelling reason to shell
out _another_ 130 bucks for a new phone with _better_ features. :)
Alan Browne
Apr 19, 2019, 11:52:56 AM4/19/19
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On 2019-04-19 10:10, Lewis wrote:
> In message <Y6mdnQoXYsKJViTB...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-04-18 19:08, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <j6idnTbCM9_PZyXB...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
>>>>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>>>>> means nothing to me at all.
>>>
>>>> It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
>>>> My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
>>>> end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. There will be SOME 5G. How
>>> much? Likely very little. Will you be able to use it? Maybe, maybe not.
>>> Will it offer any benefit to YOU in before 2025? Unlikely. Especially as
>>> poor as the LTE currently is in Canada, where it was consistently about
>>> 1/10th the speed I commonly get at home (3-4Mbs/ versus 40+).
>
>> Where do you get that number? Woefully low (and not at all true).
>
> From being in Canada. And yes, it is true. Also, I have a kid in
> Canada.
I just proved it wasn't. But - you snipped that. I'm sure there are
> In message <Y6mdnQoXYsKJViTB...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-04-18 19:08, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <j6idnTbCM9_PZyXB...@giganews.com> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-04-18 14:58, Beedle wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 5G will not make or break any discussion of my own on buying a future iPhone.
>>>>> I doubt I get any benefit from it this soon in the cycle. So it literally
>>>>> means nothing to me at all.
>>>
>>>> It's an irritant to me as I'll likely be buying a new iPhone this cycle.
>>>> My iPhone 6+ is 4.5 years old and major networks will rollout by the
>>>> end of 2020 in large markets in Canada.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. There will be SOME 5G. How
>>> much? Likely very little. Will you be able to use it? Maybe, maybe not.
>>> Will it offer any benefit to YOU in before 2025? Unlikely. Especially as
>>> poor as the LTE currently is in Canada, where it was consistently about
>>> 1/10th the speed I commonly get at home (3-4Mbs/ versus 40+).
>
>> Where do you get that number? Woefully low (and not at all true).
>
> From being in Canada. And yes, it is true. Also, I have a kid in
> Canada.
areas in the US with crappy LTE as well...
And as posted several weeks ago:
https://www.opensignal.com/reports/2018/02/canada/state-of-the-mobile-network
Beedle
Apr 19, 2019, 11:59:09 AM4/19/19
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On Apr 19, 2019, Alan Browne wrote
(in article<jeidnZAk9OROcyTB...@giganews.com>):
different results?
--
Beedle
Alan Browne
Apr 19, 2019, 12:18:59 PM4/19/19
to
the past. I'll try to take a measurement next week.
And I measured it this am at home at the number he snipped up thread.
B...@onramp.net
Apr 19, 2019, 12:34:00 PM4/19/19
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 11:19:43 +0200, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:
I started with the 3g and upgraded every time that there was a marked
change and I'm not in that age group. I believe that I'm a part of the
market and 5G isn't important to me.
wrote:
change and I'm not in that age group. I believe that I'm a part of the
market and 5G isn't important to me.
sms
Apr 19, 2019, 12:45:49 PM4/19/19
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On 4/19/2019 8:35 AM, arlen holder wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 07:41:17 -0700, sms wrote:
>
>> That is the problem that the top tier phone makers are now facing, and
>> it's the reason for falling sales. There's just nothing that's giving
>> people a compelling reason to upgrade.
>
> I have to agree with Steve that there will need to be "something"
> compelling for a lot of people to bother with an astronomically expensive
> $1500 "upgrade", if the current hugely expensive $1000 phone is working
> fine.
>
>> The other issue affecting Samsung, Apple, and LG is that the lower-cost
>> phones are getting much better, especially the Chinese brands like
>> Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Lenovo, etc.
>
> Hey Steve ... what about that LG Stylo 3 Plus your wife has?
> o I love mine!
No more Stylo 3 phones in use. We had to switch from AT&T to Verizon
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 07:41:17 -0700, sms wrote:
>
>> That is the problem that the top tier phone makers are now facing, and
>> it's the reason for falling sales. There's just nothing that's giving
>> people a compelling reason to upgrade.
>
> I have to agree with Steve that there will need to be "something"
> compelling for a lot of people to bother with an astronomically expensive
> $1500 "upgrade", if the current hugely expensive $1000 phone is working
> fine.
>
>> The other issue affecting Samsung, Apple, and LG is that the lower-cost
>> phones are getting much better, especially the Chinese brands like
>> Xiaomi, Huawei, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Lenovo, etc.
>
> Hey Steve ... what about that LG Stylo 3 Plus your wife has?
> o I love mine!
(Total Wireless MVNO), because in my area Verizon is the only carrier
with adequate coverage.
Beedle
Apr 19, 2019, 12:54:46 PM4/19/19
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On Apr 18, 2019, arlen holder wrote
(in article <q9bm5u$bhs$3...@news.mixmin.net>):
These are my most recent purchases:
MacBook Pro 15 in: $ 4,549.00
Tax: $ 386.67
Recycling: $ 6
Apple Care +: $ 379.00
Magic Mouse 2 Space Gray: $ 108.16
Roughly $5,428
iPhone XS: $ 1,149.00
Tax: $ 97.67
AC+ T&L iPhone XS/XS Max/X Insurance: $ 299.00
Roughly $1,545
IPAD PRO 12.9 WF CL 256 GRY-USA: $ 1,299.00
Tax: $ 110.42
Applecare: $ 129.00
IPAD PRO 12.9 SMART KEYBOARD FOLIO: $ 217.41
APPLE PENCIL 2ND GEN-AME: $ 129.00
Tax: $ 10.97
roughly: $1,895
APPLE WATCH S4 44 SG AL BLK SL CEL-USA: $ 529.00
Tax: $ 44.97
AC+ for Apple Watch Series 4: $ 79.00
APPLE WATCH MAGNETIC CHARGING DOCK-AME: $ 79.00
Tax: $ 6.72
Roughly: $737
Total: $9,605
If the phone is a value in my estimation, then yes I’d be willing to pay
that price for it. BUT, it has to be a value. Right now, as I have been
saying, 5G is not on my list of wanted or needed services. I’m totally
happy with LTE for the first time since LTE was released. It has NEVER worked
well for until recently.
The phone I have now has 256 GBs of storage. I thought I would buy more but
when it came down to dropping my money on the phone I wondered just how much
content needed to be local and decided 256 GBs would be enough. I wanted the
new OLED display. That actually IS a value to me. I didn’t want a HUGE
phone, so the XS vs XS MAX, I went with the XS. The XS vs the XS MAX has the
same processor. Great battery life. FaceID. Wireless charging capability.
These were things I wanted.
So what’s the next iPhone going to do for me?
Well, I bet it comes with a faster processor. Okay, that’s always a plus.
I bet it comes with a better camera. The one I have is fine. I don’t care.
Will it come with a better display? The one I have is AWESOME. But... We’ll
see.
More storage?? Always nice, but 256 is fine for me.
Wireless Charging? Got it.
Lighter / Thinner? That’s nice, but what I have is already awesome in that
department.
5G? This is a tough sell in my opinion because I just don’t believe the
carriers are ready.
Better battery life. This would be great, but what I have works pretty well.
Can be dropped from near orbit without damage. Sign my up Scottie. I’ll
take it.
Water Proof? We dropped in the Mariana Trench without damage. Okay, SOLD!
So there is some insight for you. Like all things, it has to be worth it.
Now there are things I do want that no one has talked about. If Apple could
figure out a way to put all the noise canceling tech into the phone itself
such that ANY pair of headphones I use with the phone sound better than BOSE
and noise cancel better than BOSE. That would get me in the store in a
second,
AirBuds pickup all the wind when talking outside in a phone call. And when
using the AirPods, I can’t shut off the outside noise and I frankly don’t
understand why. I think the phone, with it’s microphones, could be
programmed to be the sound processor and the AirBuds are just the speakers.
Oh, and have you watched that old movie called, BrainStorm? Yeah, add that to
the headphones too. ;)
--
Beedle
(in article <q9bm5u$bhs$3...@news.mixmin.net>):
MacBook Pro 15 in: $ 4,549.00
Tax: $ 386.67
Recycling: $ 6
Apple Care +: $ 379.00
Magic Mouse 2 Space Gray: $ 108.16
Roughly $5,428
iPhone XS: $ 1,149.00
Tax: $ 97.67
AC+ T&L iPhone XS/XS Max/X Insurance: $ 299.00
Roughly $1,545
IPAD PRO 12.9 WF CL 256 GRY-USA: $ 1,299.00
Tax: $ 110.42
Applecare: $ 129.00
IPAD PRO 12.9 SMART KEYBOARD FOLIO: $ 217.41
APPLE PENCIL 2ND GEN-AME: $ 129.00
Tax: $ 10.97
roughly: $1,895
APPLE WATCH S4 44 SG AL BLK SL CEL-USA: $ 529.00
Tax: $ 44.97
AC+ for Apple Watch Series 4: $ 79.00
APPLE WATCH MAGNETIC CHARGING DOCK-AME: $ 79.00
Tax: $ 6.72
Roughly: $737
Total: $9,605
If the phone is a value in my estimation, then yes I’d be willing to pay
that price for it. BUT, it has to be a value. Right now, as I have been
saying, 5G is not on my list of wanted or needed services. I’m totally
happy with LTE for the first time since LTE was released. It has NEVER worked
well for until recently.
The phone I have now has 256 GBs of storage. I thought I would buy more but
when it came down to dropping my money on the phone I wondered just how much
content needed to be local and decided 256 GBs would be enough. I wanted the
new OLED display. That actually IS a value to me. I didn’t want a HUGE
phone, so the XS vs XS MAX, I went with the XS. The XS vs the XS MAX has the
same processor. Great battery life. FaceID. Wireless charging capability.
These were things I wanted.
So what’s the next iPhone going to do for me?
Well, I bet it comes with a faster processor. Okay, that’s always a plus.
I bet it comes with a better camera. The one I have is fine. I don’t care.
Will it come with a better display? The one I have is AWESOME. But... We’ll
see.
More storage?? Always nice, but 256 is fine for me.
Wireless Charging? Got it.
Lighter / Thinner? That’s nice, but what I have is already awesome in that
department.
5G? This is a tough sell in my opinion because I just don’t believe the
carriers are ready.
Better battery life. This would be great, but what I have works pretty well.
Can be dropped from near orbit without damage. Sign my up Scottie. I’ll
take it.
Water Proof? We dropped in the Mariana Trench without damage. Okay, SOLD!
So there is some insight for you. Like all things, it has to be worth it.
Now there are things I do want that no one has talked about. If Apple could
figure out a way to put all the noise canceling tech into the phone itself
such that ANY pair of headphones I use with the phone sound better than BOSE
and noise cancel better than BOSE. That would get me in the store in a
second,
AirBuds pickup all the wind when talking outside in a phone call. And when
using the AirPods, I can’t shut off the outside noise and I frankly don’t
understand why. I think the phone, with it’s microphones, could be
programmed to be the sound processor and the AirBuds are just the speakers.
Oh, and have you watched that old movie called, BrainStorm? Yeah, add that to
the headphones too. ;)
--
Beedle
sms
Apr 19, 2019, 12:55:30 PM4/19/19
to
3G was fast enough. However they didn't realize the other advantages
that 4G LTE brought, beyond speed, and those advantages are significant.
It's the same with 5G, faster speed is not the major advantage of 5G (at
least for phones). For phones, the biggest advantage, initially, will be
that the radios can operate at much lower power which will increase
battery life.
By late 2020 you won't be able to buy a flagship phone without 5G. By
2021 the mid-range phones will also be 5G.
B...@onramp.net
Apr 19, 2019, 1:02:59 PM4/19/19
to
On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 09:55:28 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:
My iPhone X will suffice for a long time. 99% of my usage is Wi Fi
anyway.
wrote:
anyway.
nospam
Apr 19, 2019, 1:03:06 PM4/19/19
to
In article <q9cui1$t0d$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> However they didn't realize the other advantages
> that 4G LTE brought, beyond speed, and those advantages are significant.
false.
> It's the same with 5G, faster speed is not the major advantage of 5G (at
> least for phones). For phones, the biggest advantage, initially, will be
> that the radios can operate at much lower power which will increase
> battery life.
which will require massive deployment of microcells, and that won't
happen overnight.
it's going to be several years until those advantages are realized for
most people in most areas.
> By late 2020 you won't be able to buy a flagship phone without 5G. By
> 2021 the mid-range phones will also be 5G.
nonsense. there will be plenty of non-5g phones sold in 2020 and beyond.
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620024-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte-worldwide.jpg?thumb=y&width=980&height=600>
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >>> Most of my iPhone usage is at home on Wi Fi. But then I'm retired
> >>> which makes a difference. When 5G comes along I'll probably go for
> >>> it, but it isn't a necessity for me.
> >>
> >> The average user of this group belongs to the Oldies but Goldies and
> >> tends to be happy with 4G but he market is driven by the age group 15-30.
> >
> > I started with the 3g and upgraded every time that there was a marked
> > change and I'm not in that age group. I believe that I'm a part of the
> > market and 5G isn't important to me.
>
> We heard the same thing when 4G LTE came out. A lot of people said that
> 3G was fast enough.
not that many
> >>> Most of my iPhone usage is at home on Wi Fi. But then I'm retired
> >>> which makes a difference. When 5G comes along I'll probably go for
> >>> it, but it isn't a necessity for me.
> >>
> >> The average user of this group belongs to the Oldies but Goldies and
> >> tends to be happy with 4G but he market is driven by the age group 15-30.
> >
> > I started with the 3g and upgraded every time that there was a marked
> > change and I'm not in that age group. I believe that I'm a part of the
> > market and 5G isn't important to me.
>
> We heard the same thing when 4G LTE came out. A lot of people said that
> 3G was fast enough.
> However they didn't realize the other advantages
> that 4G LTE brought, beyond speed, and those advantages are significant.
> It's the same with 5G, faster speed is not the major advantage of 5G (at
> least for phones). For phones, the biggest advantage, initially, will be
> that the radios can operate at much lower power which will increase
> battery life.
happen overnight.
it's going to be several years until those advantages are realized for
most people in most areas.
> By late 2020 you won't be able to buy a flagship phone without 5G. By
> 2021 the mid-range phones will also be 5G.
<https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/620024-ericsson-mobility-visualiz
er-5g-vs-lte-worldwide.jpg?thumb=y&width=980&height=600>
nospam
Apr 19, 2019, 1:03:07 PM4/19/19
to
In article <q9ctvq$plc$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
well.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > Hey Steve ... what about that LG Stylo 3 Plus your wife has?
> > o I love mine!
>
> No more Stylo 3 phones in use. We had to switch from AT&T to Verizon
> (Total Wireless MVNO), because in my area Verizon is the only carrier
> with adequate coverage.
all carriers cover silicon valley and the san francisco bay area quite
> > Hey Steve ... what about that LG Stylo 3 Plus your wife has?
> > o I love mine!
>
> No more Stylo 3 phones in use. We had to switch from AT&T to Verizon
> (Total Wireless MVNO), because in my area Verizon is the only carrier
> with adequate coverage.
well.
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