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sms
Jul 24, 2023, 7:07:38 PM7/24/23
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Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how
it’s supposed to work!
Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.
I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm>
and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice
<https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called
OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google
Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download
to certain devices.
I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak. I just
want to require "hey" again!
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how
it’s supposed to work!
Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.
I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm>
and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice
<https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called
OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google
Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download
to certain devices.
I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak. I just
want to require "hey" again!
--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
nospam
Jul 24, 2023, 7:29:40 PM7/24/23
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In article <u9n07j$qhnk$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
no, and this is yet another one of your made up scenarios.
> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
there's a reason why it's called *beta*.
however, in this case, it's user error.
> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say Ĺ‚Hey Siri.Ë› False
> itÄ…s supposed to work!
it's an *option*, which you have set to not require the 'hey' prefix.
> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
> wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
> talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
> amusing at first, now itÄ…s a little annoying.
bullshit.
siri is trained on the user's voice so it *doesn't* false with random
people.
ios 17 makes 'hey' optional, which can increase the number of falses
(fewer syllables), however, it still requires the user's voice.
meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word. several
years ago, a tv commercial exploited that, which did not go over well.
> I could not find a way to change the Ĺ‚WakeË› word in iOS.
because you didn't look (or are lying).
> On Android itÄ…s
> I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
> Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak.
bullshit you have.
there is literally *no* reason whatsoever for a jailbreak tweak to do
something that's already part of ios.
> I just
> want to require "hey" again!
then configure it appropriately.
this may come to you as as surprise, but computers do what you tell
them to do. you told it to not require 'hey', so it's doing just that.
tl;dr user error.
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no, and this is yet another one of your made up scenarios.
> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
however, in this case, it's user error.
> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say Ĺ‚Hey Siri.Ë› False
> wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
> wakes up whenever it just hears you say Ĺ‚Siri,Ë› or at least thatÄ…s how
> itÄ…s supposed to work!
it's an *option*, which you have set to not require the 'hey' prefix.
> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
> wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
> talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
bullshit.
siri is trained on the user's voice so it *doesn't* false with random
people.
ios 17 makes 'hey' optional, which can increase the number of falses
(fewer syllables), however, it still requires the user's voice.
meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word. several
years ago, a tv commercial exploited that, which did not go over well.
> I could not find a way to change the Ĺ‚WakeË› word in iOS.
because you didn't look (or are lying).
> On Android itÄ…s
> possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app
then it's not part of android.
> I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
> Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak.
there is literally *no* reason whatsoever for a jailbreak tweak to do
something that's already part of ios.
> I just
> want to require "hey" again!
this may come to you as as surprise, but computers do what you tell
them to do. you told it to not require 'hey', so it's doing just that.
tl;dr user error.
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66.jpeg>
Chris
Jul 25, 2023, 2:08:00 PM7/25/23
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.
Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.
>
> meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.
On a personal device like a phone, however, it makes sense to personalise
the wake work to a user's voice.
nospam
Jul 25, 2023, 2:57:14 PM7/25/23
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In article <u9p31t$1697l$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
here's one of many:
<https://www.insider.com/kids-alexa-buy-700-worth-of-toys-moms-credit-ca
rd-2019-12>
Two siblings, aged 4 and 6, gave their mother a Christmas shock
when they bought $700 worth of gifts on her credit card, using
virtual assistant Alexa.
it can be set to confirm orders, but that's off by default and most
people don't even know it exists.
> On a personal device like a phone, however, it makes sense to personalise
> the wake work to a user's voice.
it makes sense to do that for any voice assistant, so that different
people can have different preferences.
for example, kids can have restricted access, such as being unable to
buy stuff, can't access certain content, etc. for older people, 'alexa,
call mum' will know *which* mum to call, based on who said it.
wrote:
> >
> > meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.
>
> Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.
no. just ask parents who have had their kids order all sorts of stuff.
> >
> > meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.
>
> Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.
here's one of many:
<https://www.insider.com/kids-alexa-buy-700-worth-of-toys-moms-credit-ca
rd-2019-12>
Two siblings, aged 4 and 6, gave their mother a Christmas shock
when they bought $700 worth of gifts on her credit card, using
virtual assistant Alexa.
it can be set to confirm orders, but that's off by default and most
people don't even know it exists.
> On a personal device like a phone, however, it makes sense to personalise
> the wake work to a user's voice.
people can have different preferences.
for example, kids can have restricted access, such as being unable to
buy stuff, can't access certain content, etc. for older people, 'alexa,
call mum' will know *which* mum to call, based on who said it.
Chris
Jul 26, 2023, 2:28:17 AM7/26/23
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <u9p31t$1697l$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.
>>
>> Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.
>
> no. just ask parents who have had their kids order all sorts of stuff.
User error.
> In article <u9p31t$1697l$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.
>>
>> Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.
>
> no. just ask parents who have had their kids order all sorts of stuff.
Works perfectly fine for millions of people.
Bodger
Jul 26, 2023, 3:40:10 PM7/26/23
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On 7/24/2023 7:07 PM, sms wrote:
> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
>
> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
> wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
> wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how it’s
> supposed to work!
>
> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often wake
> up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people talking,
> or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was amusing at
> first, now it’s a little annoying.
>
> I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
> possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download to certain devices.
>
> I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
> Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak. I just
> want to require "hey" again!
>
It does not take a paid app to change the wake word from "Alexa". You can
> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
>
> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
> wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
> wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how it’s
> supposed to work!
>
> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often wake
> up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people talking,
> or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was amusing at
> first, now it’s a little annoying.
>
> I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
> possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download to certain devices.
>
> I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
> Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak. I just
> want to require "hey" again!
>
use the inbuilt options to select from four. Sure, you can't just pick
something random but it does not require a foreign app to change “Alexa” to
“Ziggy,” “Echo,” “Amazon,” or “Computer” which does give some leeway.
sms
Jul 27, 2023, 2:29:50 AM7/27/23
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On 7/26/2023 12:40 PM, Bodger wrote:
<snip>
> It does not take a paid app to change the wake word from "Alexa". You
> can use the inbuilt options to select from four. Sure, you can't just
> pick something random but it does not require a foreign app to change
> “Alexa” to “Ziggy,” “Echo,” “Amazon,” or “Computer” which does give some
> leeway.
You're talking about Amazon Alexa, and yes, it's easy to change the wake
word for Alexa to a choice of several different ones (and to purchase
some others).
For Google Assistant, it is not straightforward and for Siri it appears
to be not possible at all, however I did find the way to at least
restore the “hey” in settings.
I added this to the document as 227a on page 114, see
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.3u41m5z3kxry>.
Not a lot of people have loaded the iOS 17 beta yet and once iOS 17 is
fully released there will be a few hundred million more users that also
experience the false wake ups unless Apple does something about it in
iOS 17, like keeping the default as "Hey Siri" and making it an option
to change it to just "Siri."
There are also privacy issues with this iOS 17 change and I put a link
to the article that talks about this in 227a as well.
<snip>
> It does not take a paid app to change the wake word from "Alexa". You
> can use the inbuilt options to select from four. Sure, you can't just
> pick something random but it does not require a foreign app to change
> “Alexa” to “Ziggy,” “Echo,” “Amazon,” or “Computer” which does give some
> leeway.
word for Alexa to a choice of several different ones (and to purchase
some others).
For Google Assistant, it is not straightforward and for Siri it appears
to be not possible at all, however I did find the way to at least
restore the “hey” in settings.
I added this to the document as 227a on page 114, see
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.3u41m5z3kxry>.
Not a lot of people have loaded the iOS 17 beta yet and once iOS 17 is
fully released there will be a few hundred million more users that also
experience the false wake ups unless Apple does something about it in
iOS 17, like keeping the default as "Hey Siri" and making it an option
to change it to just "Siri."
There are also privacy issues with this iOS 17 change and I put a link
to the article that talks about this in 227a as well.
nospam
Jul 27, 2023, 7:02:23 AM7/27/23
to
In article <u9t2sn$1qfpl$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
coincidentally, after i explained how trivial it is to do.
> Not a lot of people have loaded the iOS 17 beta yet and once iOS 17 is
> fully released there will be a few hundred million more users that also
> experience the false wake ups
the difference is minor and easily remedied if it's a problem.
> unless Apple does something about it in
> iOS 17, like keeping the default as "Hey Siri" and making it an option
> to change it to just "Siri."
there's nothing for apple to do. both choices are available.
> There are also privacy issues with this iOS 17 change and I put a link
> to the article that talks about this in 227a as well.
there are no privacy issues with this change.
stop with the bullshit.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> For Google Assistant, it is not straightforward and for Siri it appears
> to be not possible at all, however I did find the way to at least
> restore the Ĺ‚heyË› in settings.
>
> For Google Assistant, it is not straightforward and for Siri it appears
> to be not possible at all, however I did find the way to at least
coincidentally, after i explained how trivial it is to do.
> Not a lot of people have loaded the iOS 17 beta yet and once iOS 17 is
> fully released there will be a few hundred million more users that also
> experience the false wake ups
> unless Apple does something about it in
> iOS 17, like keeping the default as "Hey Siri" and making it an option
> to change it to just "Siri."
> There are also privacy issues with this iOS 17 change and I put a link
> to the article that talks about this in 227a as well.
stop with the bullshit.
Carlos E.R.
Jul 27, 2023, 7:56:19 AM7/27/23
to
On 2023-07-25 01:07, sms wrote:
> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
>
> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
> wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
> wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how
> it’s supposed to work!
>
> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
> wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
> talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
> amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.
>
> I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
> possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download to certain devices.
I changed the wording on Android several years back, it was easy. No
> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
>
> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
> wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
> wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how
> it’s supposed to work!
>
> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
> wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
> talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
> amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.
>
> I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
> possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download to certain devices.
need to download anything. Later, I disabled the feature. I assume the
keyword has not changed from what I set some years ago.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
sms
Jul 27, 2023, 10:20:58 AM7/27/23
to
On 7/27/2023 4:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
<snip>
> I changed the wording on Android several years back, it was easy. No
> need to download anything. Later, I disabled the feature. I assume the
> keyword has not changed from what I set some years ago.
As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
Assistant wake-up word. On Amazon Alexa you can change it to one of a
handful of pre-programmed choices that are included free plus a few more
with a one time charge. As I wrote in a later post, there is a new
setting in iOS 17 that lets you choose between "Siri" (the default) and
"Hey Siri." I was not aware of that new setting until I did a search on
this issue. Apple should make "Hey Siri" the default since it's much
less likely to cause false wake-ups.
<snip>
> I changed the wording on Android several years back, it was easy. No
> need to download anything. Later, I disabled the feature. I assume the
> keyword has not changed from what I set some years ago.
Assistant wake-up word. On Amazon Alexa you can change it to one of a
handful of pre-programmed choices that are included free plus a few more
with a one time charge. As I wrote in a later post, there is a new
setting in iOS 17 that lets you choose between "Siri" (the default) and
"Hey Siri." I was not aware of that new setting until I did a search on
this issue. Apple should make "Hey Siri" the default since it's much
less likely to cause false wake-ups.
nospam
Jul 27, 2023, 11:44:44 AM7/27/23
to
In article <u9tug7$1t5de$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/6/18296858/google-assistants-hey-worst-
feature-launch-phrase-settings-voices>
...Back in 2013, Google started selling its first branded phone, the
Moto X, which featured a pure Android OS, snazzily colored cases and
voice recognition tech, known then as Google Now. Several months
after the phone launched, Google added the ability (licensed from a
company called Sensory) to change the launch phrase from Ĺ‚OK Google
NowË› to anything you wanted. It was great. I named my phone Ĺ‚Mr.
PickwickË› (IÄ…m a Dickens fan), and I had a friend who would happily
launch his phone by saying, Ĺ‚Mrs. Peel, youÄ…re needed.Ë›
> On Amazon Alexa you can change it to one of a
> handful of pre-programmed choices that are included free plus a few more
> with a one time charge. As I wrote in a later post, there is a new
> setting in iOS 17 that lets you choose between "Siri" (the default) and
> "Hey Siri." I was not aware of that new setting until I did a search on
> this issue.
nope. you stated you *had* done a search and that it couldn't be done,
hoping someone might create a jailbreak tweak to do it.
> Apple should make "Hey Siri" the default since it's much
> less likely to cause false wake-ups.
not by any significant amount.
meanwhile, google is removing the wake word *entirely* in some cases,
but of course, you conveniently neglect to mention that.
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/google-assistant-may-be-saying-bye-bye-t
o-hey-google>
Quick phrases are a popular feature that were introduced with
the Pixel 6 last year and gives Google Assistant the ability to
listen for certain key words beyond łHey Google.˛ For example,
the tech giant added quick phrases like Ĺ‚turn up the volume,Ë› Ĺ‚what
time is my alarm set for'' and Ĺ‚create a reminderË› to the Nest Hub
Max.Â
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
> Assistant wake-up word.
originally, it was.
> As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
> Assistant wake-up word.
<https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/6/18296858/google-assistants-hey-worst-
feature-launch-phrase-settings-voices>
...Back in 2013, Google started selling its first branded phone, the
Moto X, which featured a pure Android OS, snazzily colored cases and
voice recognition tech, known then as Google Now. Several months
after the phone launched, Google added the ability (licensed from a
company called Sensory) to change the launch phrase from Ĺ‚OK Google
NowË› to anything you wanted. It was great. I named my phone Ĺ‚Mr.
PickwickË› (IÄ…m a Dickens fan), and I had a friend who would happily
launch his phone by saying, Ĺ‚Mrs. Peel, youÄ…re needed.Ë›
> On Amazon Alexa you can change it to one of a
> handful of pre-programmed choices that are included free plus a few more
> with a one time charge. As I wrote in a later post, there is a new
> setting in iOS 17 that lets you choose between "Siri" (the default) and
> "Hey Siri." I was not aware of that new setting until I did a search on
> this issue.
hoping someone might create a jailbreak tweak to do it.
> Apple should make "Hey Siri" the default since it's much
> less likely to cause false wake-ups.
meanwhile, google is removing the wake word *entirely* in some cases,
but of course, you conveniently neglect to mention that.
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/google-assistant-may-be-saying-bye-bye-t
o-hey-google>
Quick phrases are a popular feature that were introduced with
the Pixel 6 last year and gives Google Assistant the ability to
listen for certain key words beyond łHey Google.˛ For example,
the tech giant added quick phrases like Ĺ‚turn up the volume,Ë› Ĺ‚what
time is my alarm set for'' and Ĺ‚create a reminderË› to the Nest Hub
Max.Â
Carlos E.R.
Jul 27, 2023, 4:47:28 PM7/27/23
to
On 2023-07-27 17:44, nospam wrote:
> In article <u9tug7$1t5de$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
>> Assistant wake-up word.
>
> originally, it was.
>
> <https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/6/18296858/google-assistants-hey-worst-
> feature-launch-phrase-settings-voices>
> ...Back in 2013, Google started selling its first branded phone, the
> Moto X, which featured a pure Android OS, snazzily colored cases and
> voice recognition tech, known then as Google Now. Several months
> after the phone launched, Google added the ability (licensed from a
> company called Sensory) to change the launch phrase from ÂłOK Google
> In article <u9tug7$1t5de$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
>> Assistant wake-up word.
>
> originally, it was.
>
> <https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/6/18296858/google-assistants-hey-worst-
> feature-launch-phrase-settings-voices>
> ...Back in 2013, Google started selling its first branded phone, the
> Moto X, which featured a pure Android OS, snazzily colored cases and
> voice recognition tech, known then as Google Now. Several months
> after the phone launched, Google added the ability (licensed from a
> Now² to anything you wanted. It was great. I named my phone ³Mr.
> Pickwick² (I¹m a Dickens fan), and I had a friend who would happily
> launch his phone by saying, ³Mrs. Peel, you¹re needed.²
I think on Motorola it was done on "Moto" or "Motorola assistant" or
similar app. I checked on my current phone: I can train it on a few
phrases, disable saving in the cloud (for analysis by them), but not
change the phrase. I did that, then disabled it again. But it says that
it may be enabled by other apps, like for driving.
(The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
available)
...
--
Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Jul 27, 2023, 5:18:00 PM7/27/23
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In article <hl1bpjx...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
> available)
yes it is.
>
>
> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
> available)
<https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.
Jolly Roger
Jul 28, 2023, 12:28:31 AM7/28/23
to
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
Carlos E.R.
Jul 28, 2023, 6:44:14 AM7/28/23
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It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Jul 28, 2023, 8:49:35 AM7/28/23
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In article <gmicpjx...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
to some of the recordings. they're quite amusing.
<https://jollyrogertelephone.com/our-robots/>
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
> >> available)
> >
> > yes it is.
> >
> > <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
> > We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
> > telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
> > keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.
>
> That's not the google solution.
>
> It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
> allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.
it definitely chitchats them, with wildly irrelevant comments. listen
> >> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
> >> available)
> >
> > yes it is.
> >
> > <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
> > We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
> > telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
> > keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.
>
> That's not the google solution.
>
> It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
> allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.
to some of the recordings. they're quite amusing.
<https://jollyrogertelephone.com/our-robots/>
badgolferman
Jul 28, 2023, 9:41:18 AM7/28/23
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sms wrote:
> "Hey Siri"
I hate the word "Siri" and also hate talking to my phone like it's a
person. I hate talking to automated systems on the phone when you call
a business. I barely use Siri except for when I'm driving and want to
listen to a voicemail or send a text message.
> "Hey Siri"
I hate the word "Siri" and also hate talking to my phone like it's a
person. I hate talking to automated systems on the phone when you call
a business. I barely use Siri except for when I'm driving and want to
listen to a voicemail or send a text message.
badgolferman
Jul 28, 2023, 9:56:33 AM7/28/23
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nospam wrote:
>> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
>no, and this is yet another one of your made up scenarios.
I'm starting to think you're right.
>> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
>no, and this is yet another one of your made up scenarios.
And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.
sms
Jul 28, 2023, 12:31:13 PM7/28/23
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On 7/28/2023 6:56 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
> And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.
LOL, untrue. In an open office with multiple Microsoft Teams or Google
Meet meetings going on at the same time, and people talking the false
wake-ups were amusing at first, then annoying.
I was telling some people at work when they upgrade to iOS 17 to be sure
to change the Siri settings. Sure enough I get a "mm hm?" from my phone.
Now that I changed the setting back to "Hey Siri" those false wake-ups
aren't an issue anymore. There was a study of false wake words for these
assistants, see
<https://www.cultofmac.com/716154/siri-activated-by-a-city-or-ok-jerry-reveals-study-of-false-wake-words/>:
"“The devices are intentionally programmed in a somewhat forgiving
manner, because they are supposed to be able to understand their humans.
Therefore, they are more likely to start up once too often rather than
not at all.”
How hard would it be for Google and Apple to add the capability to
select or program a different wake-up word or phrase? I had an
application that you could program to open specific applications back in
the MS-DOS days. I'm sure that Google is thrilled that their company
name gets called out hundreds of millions times a day when waking up
Google Assistant.
Once you install iOS 17 I suspect that you'll experience the same issue
if you turn Siri on with the default.
<snip>
> And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.
Meet meetings going on at the same time, and people talking the false
wake-ups were amusing at first, then annoying.
I was telling some people at work when they upgrade to iOS 17 to be sure
to change the Siri settings. Sure enough I get a "mm hm?" from my phone.
Now that I changed the setting back to "Hey Siri" those false wake-ups
aren't an issue anymore. There was a study of false wake words for these
assistants, see
<https://www.cultofmac.com/716154/siri-activated-by-a-city-or-ok-jerry-reveals-study-of-false-wake-words/>:
"“The devices are intentionally programmed in a somewhat forgiving
manner, because they are supposed to be able to understand their humans.
Therefore, they are more likely to start up once too often rather than
not at all.”
How hard would it be for Google and Apple to add the capability to
select or program a different wake-up word or phrase? I had an
application that you could program to open specific applications back in
the MS-DOS days. I'm sure that Google is thrilled that their company
name gets called out hundreds of millions times a day when waking up
Google Assistant.
Once you install iOS 17 I suspect that you'll experience the same issue
if you turn Siri on with the default.
nospam
Jul 28, 2023, 3:23:26 PM7/28/23
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In article <ua0qge$29jgh$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
oh and let's not forget that google removed the wake word entirely in
some cases. how much falsing is *that* going to cause?
> I was telling some people at work when they upgrade to iOS 17 to be sure
> to change the Siri settings. Sure enough I get a "mm hm?" from my phone.
i'll take things that never happened for $400.
> Now that I changed the setting back to "Hey Siri" those false wake-ups
> aren't an issue anymore.
i'll take things that never happened for $600.
the simple fact is it's not an issue either way. the difference between
'hey siri' and just 'siri' is negligible.
> There was a study of false wake words for these
> assistants, see
>
> <https://www.cultofmac.com/716154/siri-activated-by-a-city-or-ok-jerry-reveals-
> study-of-false-wake-words/>:
> "Ĺ‚The devices are intentionally programmed in a somewhat forgiving
you selectively quoted, as usual.
continuing,
In order to understand what makes these terms false triggers, the
researchers broke the words down into their smallest possible sound
units and identified the units that were often confused by the voice
assistants. Based on these findings, they generated new trigger words
and showed that these terms also activated the voice assistants.
that's a scenario that does not happen in the real world. full stop.
>
> How hard would it be for Google and Apple to add the capability to
> select or program a different wake-up word or phrase?
that won't solve the problem you claim exists.
> Once you install iOS 17 I suspect that you'll experience the same issue
> if you turn Siri on with the default.
as usual, you suspect wrong.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.
>
> LOL, untrue. In an open office with multiple Microsoft Teams or Google
> Meet meetings going on at the same time, and people talking the false
> wake-ups were amusing at first, then annoying.
i'll take things that never happened for $200.
> > And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.
>
> LOL, untrue. In an open office with multiple Microsoft Teams or Google
> Meet meetings going on at the same time, and people talking the false
> wake-ups were amusing at first, then annoying.
oh and let's not forget that google removed the wake word entirely in
some cases. how much falsing is *that* going to cause?
> I was telling some people at work when they upgrade to iOS 17 to be sure
> to change the Siri settings. Sure enough I get a "mm hm?" from my phone.
> Now that I changed the setting back to "Hey Siri" those false wake-ups
> aren't an issue anymore.
the simple fact is it's not an issue either way. the difference between
'hey siri' and just 'siri' is negligible.
> There was a study of false wake words for these
> assistants, see
>
> <https://www.cultofmac.com/716154/siri-activated-by-a-city-or-ok-jerry-reveals-
> study-of-false-wake-words/>:
> manner, because they are supposed to be able to understand their humans.
> Therefore, they are more likely to start up once too often rather than
> not at all.Ë›
> Therefore, they are more likely to start up once too often rather than
you selectively quoted, as usual.
continuing,
In order to understand what makes these terms false triggers, the
researchers broke the words down into their smallest possible sound
units and identified the units that were often confused by the voice
assistants. Based on these findings, they generated new trigger words
and showed that these terms also activated the voice assistants.
that's a scenario that does not happen in the real world. full stop.
>
> How hard would it be for Google and Apple to add the capability to
> select or program a different wake-up word or phrase?
> Once you install iOS 17 I suspect that you'll experience the same issue
> if you turn Siri on with the default.
Carlos E.R.
Jul 28, 2023, 4:55:33 PM7/28/23
to
chitchatting them. I want serious talk with them by the robot to find
what they want, and if they are not spammer, then and only then ring the
bell.
This is a Google only feature on their Pixel phones, they have not made
it available to other users.
I don't want my doctor to phone me on an unknown number and be pissed
off by a nuisance robot.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
sms
Jul 29, 2023, 12:08:32 PM7/29/23
to
dialing a phone number or looking it up in contacts.
I have one of those Google Assistant devices at home that I use often.
Google Assistant is so much better than Siri in terms of usefulness and
accuracy.
sms
Jul 29, 2023, 12:59:46 PM7/29/23
to
On 7/28/2023 1:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
<snip>
> This is a Google only feature on their Pixel phones, they have not made
> it available to other users.
I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android. It's
one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
those who understand how it works, and Google probably doesn't want
Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.
I cover Pixel’s “Call Screen” on the Pixel device in 214a in the
document.
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.7uqr3urbenso>.
“Call Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
it’s incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller’s phone number
to determine if it’s a spam call and declines those calls automatically.
As Android Police states: “The robocall and spam screening feature is
much more robust than Google's normal spam database.”
If Call Screen doesn’t know if it’s a spam call, but suspects it, then
it queries the caller as to the reason for the call and presents you
with a transcript of the caller’s responses, then you can decide what to
do with the call; answer it, send it to voicemail, or have Google
Assistant ask more questions of the caller to determine what to do with
the call. It’s likely that Call Screen is a patented feature that Google
has no intention of allowing other Android device makers (or Apple) to use.”
There is a Jailbreak Tweak called "LetMeDecline"
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/12/18/letmedecline/> for Jailbroken
iPhones, but it doesn't automatically screen calls, it just lets you
decline calls from the screen when the phone is locked. If someone could
write a Tweak that duplicates Google's "Call Screen" that would be
awesome but it probably is not something that is possible to do because
analyzing phone numbers to determine if it's a spam call or robocall
would not be possible.
Note that you can get some call screening features by using a Google
Voice number forwarded to your carrier number instead of using your
carrier number directly.
<snip>
> This is a Google only feature on their Pixel phones, they have not made
> it available to other users.
the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android. It's
one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
those who understand how it works, and Google probably doesn't want
Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.
I cover Pixel’s “Call Screen” on the Pixel device in 214a in the
document.
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.7uqr3urbenso>.
“Call Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
it’s incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller’s phone number
to determine if it’s a spam call and declines those calls automatically.
As Android Police states: “The robocall and spam screening feature is
much more robust than Google's normal spam database.”
If Call Screen doesn’t know if it’s a spam call, but suspects it, then
it queries the caller as to the reason for the call and presents you
with a transcript of the caller’s responses, then you can decide what to
do with the call; answer it, send it to voicemail, or have Google
Assistant ask more questions of the caller to determine what to do with
the call. It’s likely that Call Screen is a patented feature that Google
has no intention of allowing other Android device makers (or Apple) to use.”
There is a Jailbreak Tweak called "LetMeDecline"
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/12/18/letmedecline/> for Jailbroken
iPhones, but it doesn't automatically screen calls, it just lets you
decline calls from the screen when the phone is locked. If someone could
write a Tweak that duplicates Google's "Call Screen" that would be
awesome but it probably is not something that is possible to do because
analyzing phone numbers to determine if it's a spam call or robocall
would not be possible.
Note that you can get some call screening features by using a Google
Voice number forwarded to your carrier number instead of using your
carrier number directly.
nospam
Jul 29, 2023, 2:15:42 PM7/29/23
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In article <ua3ghv$2lqau$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
cite a patent number or admit it's bullshit.
> It's
> one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
> those who understand how it works,
no, it very definitely isn't one of the 'few big selling points' for
pixel phones, which don't sell that well at all.
> and Google probably doesn't want
> Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.
more fabricated bullshit.
> 彪all Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
> it零 incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller零 phone number
> to determine if it零 a spam call and declines those calls automatically.
that's not unique to pixel.
t-mobile shows a verified mark if the call is non-spam.
various voip providers offer spam detection and filtering.
numerous ios apps offer spam detection and filtering.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
> the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android.
there's that overused patent claim.
>
> I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
> the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android.
cite a patent number or admit it's bullshit.
> It's
> one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
> those who understand how it works,
pixel phones, which don't sell that well at all.
> and Google probably doesn't want
> Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.
> 彪all Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
> it零 incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller零 phone number
> to determine if it零 a spam call and declines those calls automatically.
that's not unique to pixel.
t-mobile shows a verified mark if the call is non-spam.
various voip providers offer spam detection and filtering.
numerous ios apps offer spam detection and filtering.
Carlos E.R.
Jul 29, 2023, 3:48:27 PM7/29/23
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On 2023-07-29 20:15, nospam wrote:
> In article <ua3ghv$2lqau$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
>> the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android.
>
> there's that overused patent claim.
>
> cite a patent number or admit it's bullshit.
>
>> It's
>> one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
>> those who understand how it works,
>
> no, it very definitely isn't one of the 'few big selling points' for
> pixel phones, which don't sell that well at all.
>
>> and Google probably doesn't want
>> Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.
>
> more fabricated bullshit.
>
>
>
>> ÂłCall Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
> In article <ua3ghv$2lqau$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
>> the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android.
>
> there's that overused patent claim.
>
> cite a patent number or admit it's bullshit.
>
>> It's
>> one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
>> those who understand how it works,
>
> no, it very definitely isn't one of the 'few big selling points' for
> pixel phones, which don't sell that well at all.
>
>> and Google probably doesn't want
>> Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.
>
> more fabricated bullshit.
>
>
>
>> itÂąs incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the callerÂąs phone number
>> to determine if itÂąs a spam call and declines those calls automatically.
>
> that's not unique to pixel.
>
> t-mobile shows a verified mark if the call is non-spam.
>
> various voip providers offer spam detection and filtering.
>
> numerous ios apps offer spam detection and filtering.
Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
> that's not unique to pixel.
>
> t-mobile shows a verified mark if the call is non-spam.
>
> various voip providers offer spam detection and filtering.
>
> numerous ios apps offer spam detection and filtering.
on Pixel phones.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Jul 29, 2023, 4:29:20 PM7/29/23
to
In article <207gpjx...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.
google's call screen actually answers the call, which means the called
number is flagged as active, resulting in future calls.
other methods send it to a reorder, which flags it as not in service,
thereby removing it from the call lists, reducing future calls.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
> Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
> on Pixel phones.
the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
>
> Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
> on Pixel phones.
accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.
google's call screen actually answers the call, which means the called
number is flagged as active, resulting in future calls.
other methods send it to a reorder, which flags it as not in service,
thereby removing it from the call lists, reducing future calls.
Carlos E.R.
Jul 29, 2023, 5:28:40 PM7/29/23
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On 2023-07-29 22:29, nospam wrote:
> In article <207gpjx...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
>> on Pixel phones.
>
> the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
> accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.
No.
> In article <207gpjx...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
>> on Pixel phones.
>
> the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
> accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.
*MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Jul 29, 2023, 5:59:34 PM7/29/23
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In article <8qcgpjx...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
no method is perfect.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
> >> on Pixel phones.
> >
> > the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
> > accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.
>
> No.
>
> *MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.
it might fit *your* needs, however, others make different choices.
> >> Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
> >> on Pixel phones.
> >
> > the goal is to filter out spam calls, with various methods of
> > accomplishing that, each with advantages and disadvantages.
>
> No.
>
> *MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.
no method is perfect.
sms
Jul 29, 2023, 6:41:16 PM7/29/23
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On 7/29/2023 12:47 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
<snip>
<snip>
> Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
> on Pixel phones.
nospam is wrong of course™
> on Pixel phones.
An app can't do what Google's Call Screen does, it has to be built into
the operating system.
Given the significance and desirability of the Call Screen feature, and
the fact that no other phones, either Android or iPhone, have anything
like it, it's likely that Google has patented this system or they have
licensed it from a third party.
Unfortunately, according to Google, the Pixel's automatic call screening
is only available in the U.S. while manual call screening on the Pixel
is available in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy,
Japan, Spain, UK, and US.
nospam
Jul 29, 2023, 6:58:36 PM7/29/23
to
In article <ua44i6$2nm22$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
nobody said it was exactly the same, liar.
there are various methods of blocking spam calls (which is the end
goal), each of which has advantages and disadvantages.
> Given the significance and desirability of the Call Screen feature, and
> the fact that no other phones,
if it's so significant and desirable, why is it that pixel phones are
not among the best selling phones?
> either Android or iPhone, have anything
> like it, it's likely that Google has patented this system or they have
> licensed it from a third party.
nope, and your patent and licensing claims are pure bullshit and you
know it.
the reason is simple: it's because there are more effective methods
that can block spam calls from ever ringing the phone in the first
place. google *can't* use those methods, so they're forced to come up
with something that sounds clever, but doesn't actually work that well
in practice.
nobody said it was exactly the same, liar.
there are various methods of blocking spam calls (which is the end
goal), each of which has advantages and disadvantages.
> Given the significance and desirability of the Call Screen feature, and
> the fact that no other phones,
not among the best selling phones?
> either Android or iPhone, have anything
> like it, it's likely that Google has patented this system or they have
> licensed it from a third party.
know it.
the reason is simple: it's because there are more effective methods
that can block spam calls from ever ringing the phone in the first
place. google *can't* use those methods, so they're forced to come up
with something that sounds clever, but doesn't actually work that well
in practice.
Carlos E.R.
Jul 29, 2023, 9:24:09 PM7/29/23
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Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it. And I said
so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you keep doing.
Others make different choice simply because Google's Call Screen is not
available to them.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
nospam
Jul 29, 2023, 10:47:16 PM7/29/23
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In article <akqgpjx...@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it.
maybe best for you, however, others have different needs and
preferences and will choose what's best for them.
> And I said
> so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you keep doing.
i'm not selling anyone anything.
the simple fact is that there are various methods of filtering out spam
calls, each with their own advantages and disadvantages. what's best
for one person is not necessarily best for another.
a major disadvantage of google call screen is that it answers the call,
which as i said, flags it as an active number, resulting in more spam
calls overall. it also incurs airtime charges, which may be an issue
for some users.
a major advantage of spam filtering upstream is that the phone never
rings, and if it's sent to a reorder, the number will be flagged as not
in service, which then is removed from the various lists, resulting in
dramatically fewer spam calls, making a more effective long term
strategy.
more than one method is also an option. nothing guarantees zero spam
calls.
> Others make different choice simply because Google's Call Screen is not
> available to them.
nope, even those who have call screen don't necessarily use it.
<robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> *MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.
> >
> > it might fit *your* needs, however, others make different choices.
>
> I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
they are not mistaken in their choices.
> >> *MY* goal is exactly Google's Call Screen. I want that one. Not any other.
> >
> > it might fit *your* needs, however, others make different choices.
>
> I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
> Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it.
preferences and will choose what's best for them.
> And I said
> so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you keep doing.
the simple fact is that there are various methods of filtering out spam
calls, each with their own advantages and disadvantages. what's best
for one person is not necessarily best for another.
a major disadvantage of google call screen is that it answers the call,
which as i said, flags it as an active number, resulting in more spam
calls overall. it also incurs airtime charges, which may be an issue
for some users.
a major advantage of spam filtering upstream is that the phone never
rings, and if it's sent to a reorder, the number will be flagged as not
in service, which then is removed from the various lists, resulting in
dramatically fewer spam calls, making a more effective long term
strategy.
more than one method is also an option. nothing guarantees zero spam
calls.
> Others make different choice simply because Google's Call Screen is not
> available to them.
Alan Browne
Jul 30, 2023, 9:21:03 AM7/30/23
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On 2023-07-29 21:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
> Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it.
You sound like the kids arguing about Matchbox v. Hot Wheels when I was 6.
> I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
> Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it.
--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase
sms
Jul 30, 2023, 12:35:45 PM7/30/23
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On 7/29/2023 6:22 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
<snip>
<snip>
> I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
> Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it. And I said
> so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you keep doing
<snip>
> Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it. And I said
> so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you keep doing
It's hard to imagine Google adding the Pixel's Call Screen feature to
stock Android. It's a defining feature of the Pixel line, one of the few
features that set it apart from other mid-range to flagship Android
devices. Nor is it possible to add this capability using an app.
It's possible that some other Android manufacturer, or Apple, could
develop a similar feature if Google doesn't have a patent on it but this
is such a compelling feature it's hard to imagine that it isn't
patented. Patent wars are nasty, remember the Apple 5G modem fiasco
where it turned out that even if they succeed at developing a 5G modem,
there are Qualcomm patents that they need that Qualcomm won't license
(at least not at a low price), and that don't expire until 2029
<https://www.patentlyapple.com/2022/06/apple-not-releasing-their-own-5g-modem-chip-relates-to-a-long-standing-patent-battle-with-qualcomm-and-not-because-of-a-devel.html>.
Not sure about Spain, but in the U.S. the Pixel phones are perpetually
on sale. My Verizon MVNO offers the 6a for $199.99, both online and in
stores <https://www.walmart.com/ip/2551311937>, unlocked 60 days after
activation; if you're not a customer of that MVNO you'd pay $30 more to
activate it. The 6a is last year's model but it's still at the top of
mid-range Android phones (or at the bottom of flagship Android phones).
If you buy Pixel devices online from the Google Store they're more
expensive, but Google periodically offers very high trade-in values. You
could buy a used iPhone to trade in and still net $150-200 off after
subtracting the cost of the used iPhone. I traded in my iPhone Xr for
the Pixel 7 Pro and got $410 off. $410 is way more than I had paid for
my Xr new, just a year earlier.
On the other hand, one _really_ annoying thing about the Pixel phones
that Google did was to disable HDMI out through the USB-C port. Why?
Because they want you to use a Chromecast to connect wirelessly to a
television. The workaround is a $31.99 Wavlink USB to HDMI converter
(not adapter) <https://www.ebay.com/itm/234132498678> plus a USB-A to
USB-C adapter—clunky and expensive compared to a simple USB-C to HDMI
adapter.
nospam
Jul 30, 2023, 1:28:36 PM7/30/23
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In article <ua63gv$2vq2s$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
any time you claim patents, it's a clear indication that you are
bullshitting.
> Patent wars are nasty, remember the Apple 5G modem fiasco
that was completely different, and unlike your bogus claim above,
actually has patent numbers and lawsuits.
<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> It's possible that some other Android manufacturer, or Apple, could
> develop a similar feature if Google doesn't have a patent on it but this
> is such a compelling feature it's hard to imagine that it isn't
> patented.
cite a patent number.
>
> It's possible that some other Android manufacturer, or Apple, could
> develop a similar feature if Google doesn't have a patent on it but this
> is such a compelling feature it's hard to imagine that it isn't
> patented.
any time you claim patents, it's a clear indication that you are
bullshitting.
> Patent wars are nasty, remember the Apple 5G modem fiasco
actually has patent numbers and lawsuits.
Carlos E.R.
Jul 30, 2023, 4:47:10 PM7/30/23
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On 2023-07-30 18:35, sms wrote:
> On 7/29/2023 6:22 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
>> Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it. And I
>> said so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you
>> keep doing
>
> <snip>
>
> It's hard to imagine Google adding the Pixel's Call Screen feature to
> stock Android. It's a defining feature of the Pixel line, one of the few
> features that set it apart from other mid-range to flagship Android
> devices. Nor is it possible to add this capability using an app.
>
> It's possible that some other Android manufacturer, or Apple, could
> develop a similar feature if Google doesn't have a patent on it but this
> is such a compelling feature it's hard to imagine that it isn't
> patented. Patent wars are nasty, remember the Apple 5G modem fiasco
> where it turned out that even if they succeed at developing a 5G modem,
> there are Qualcomm patents that they need that Qualcomm won't license
> (at least not at a low price), and that don't expire until 2029
> <https://www.patentlyapple.com/2022/06/apple-not-releasing-their-own-5g-modem-chip-relates-to-a-long-standing-patent-battle-with-qualcomm-and-not-because-of-a-devel.html>.
We'll find out in a few years :-)
> On 7/29/2023 6:22 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't care about what others here say, others are simply mistaken.
>> Google's Call Screen is the best in existence and I want it. And I
>> said so, three days ago. Don't try to sell me something else as you
>> keep doing
>
> <snip>
>
> It's hard to imagine Google adding the Pixel's Call Screen feature to
> stock Android. It's a defining feature of the Pixel line, one of the few
> features that set it apart from other mid-range to flagship Android
> devices. Nor is it possible to add this capability using an app.
>
> It's possible that some other Android manufacturer, or Apple, could
> develop a similar feature if Google doesn't have a patent on it but this
> is such a compelling feature it's hard to imagine that it isn't
> patented. Patent wars are nasty, remember the Apple 5G modem fiasco
> where it turned out that even if they succeed at developing a 5G modem,
> there are Qualcomm patents that they need that Qualcomm won't license
> (at least not at a low price), and that don't expire until 2029
> <https://www.patentlyapple.com/2022/06/apple-not-releasing-their-own-5g-modem-chip-relates-to-a-long-standing-patent-battle-with-qualcomm-and-not-because-of-a-devel.html>.
>
> Not sure about Spain, but in the U.S. the Pixel phones are perpetually
> on sale. My Verizon MVNO offers the 6a for $199.99, both online and in
> stores <https://www.walmart.com/ip/2551311937>, unlocked 60 days after
> activation; if you're not a customer of that MVNO you'd pay $30 more to
> activate it. The 6a is last year's model but it's still at the top of
> mid-range Android phones (or at the bottom of flagship Android phones).
>
> If you buy Pixel devices online from the Google Store they're more
> expensive, but Google periodically offers very high trade-in values. You
> could buy a used iPhone to trade in and still net $150-200 off after
> subtracting the cost of the used iPhone. I traded in my iPhone Xr for
> the Pixel 7 Pro and got $410 off. $410 is way more than I had paid for
> my Xr new, just a year earlier.
relatively new so I don't think I will do that anytime soon.
Normally, Pixels are way above my 250€ bracket.
>
> On the other hand, one _really_ annoying thing about the Pixel phones
> that Google did was to disable HDMI out through the USB-C port. Why?
> Because they want you to use a Chromecast to connect wirelessly to a
> television. The workaround is a $31.99 Wavlink USB to HDMI converter
> (not adapter) <https://www.ebay.com/itm/234132498678> plus a USB-A to
> USB-C adapter—clunky and expensive compared to a simple USB-C to HDMI
> adapter.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Bodger
Jul 30, 2023, 7:23:15 PM7/30/23
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that congregate on the back deck. I figure that as long as the squirrels
don't start answering me then I'm alright...
sms
Aug 4, 2023, 11:54:46 AM8/4/23
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On 7/30/2023 1:44 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
<snip>
"Pixel Spam Screening Improved My Life"
<snip>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/ytjfd3/pixel_spam_screening_improved_my_life/>
The robo spam calls on my iPhone are getting more frequent. About to
swap SIM cards and make my Pixel 7 Pro my main phone.
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