Windows' iTunes want to remove all my apps in old iPhone 4S?

[Ant]

Hello.

On Saturday at 4:37 AM PDT, I had a big HDD crash with its clicks of
deaths on my very old Windows XP Pro SP3 box. After getting a brand new
HDD, I installed a brand new 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 with all of its updates.
I also reinstalled everything including iTunes v12.5.1.21 from scratch.
Everything seems to work since I can access iPhone 4S (iOS v9.3.5)'s
DCIM's images, back up, etc.

Here's a problem: I downloaded a brand new free app in my new W7's
iTunes and wanted to sync it to iPhone, but iTunes wanted to remove all
my iPhone's installed apps just to add a newly downloaded app! I don't
want to do that. I just to add that downloaded app from the computer to
iPhone.

Am I missing something? Thank you in advance. :)
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[David Empson]

Ant <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote:

> On Saturday at 4:37 AM PDT, I had a big HDD crash with its clicks of
> deaths on my very old Windows XP Pro SP3 box. After getting a brand new
> HDD, I installed a brand new 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 with all of its updates.
> I also reinstalled everything including iTunes v12.5.1.21 from scratch.
> Everything seems to work since I can access iPhone 4S (iOS v9.3.5)'s
> DCIM's images, back up, etc.
>
> Here's a problem: I downloaded a brand new free app in my new W7's
> iTunes and wanted to sync it to iPhone, but iTunes wanted to remove all
> my iPhone's installed apps just to add a newly downloaded app! I don't
> want to do that. I just to add that downloaded app from the computer to
> iPhone.

iOS devices can only be synced with a single iTunes library.

You are trying to sync your iPhone to a different iTunes library from
the one with which it was previously synced. That cannot be done unless
the iPhone is erased first (or at least content synced from the previous
iTunes library must be erased).

If you want to resume where you left off, you need to quit iTunes on the
new PC, restore your backup of your previous PC's iTunes library on the
new PC (replacing the library that was created by the new install of
iTunes).

iTunes will then recognise it is the same library which was being used
before, and will be able to sync with the iPhone without erasing it
first.

If you don't have a backup of the old iTunes library, there is no way to
sync with the new iTunes library without letting iTunes erase the
iPhone.


Why not just get the app from App Store on the iPhone, like most people
do? Apart from not having to muck around with iTunes, it will probably
occupy less space on the iPhone, because with iOS 9 and later a directly
downloaded app can be thinned to only contain resources needed on that
model, whereas apps installed by iTunes contain resources for every
supported model.

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[Rod Speed]

"Ant" <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote in message
news:_NGdnXfG3Y77qozF...@earthlink.com...

> Hello.
>
> On Saturday at 4:37 AM PDT, I had a big HDD crash with its clicks of
> deaths on my very old Windows XP Pro SP3 box. After getting a brand new
> HDD, I installed a brand new 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 with all of its updates.
> I also reinstalled everything including iTunes v12.5.1.21 from scratch.
> Everything seems to work since I can access iPhone 4S (iOS v9.3.5)'s
> DCIM's images, back up, etc.
>
> Here's a problem: I downloaded a brand new free app in my new W7's
> iTunes and wanted to sync it to iPhone, but iTunes wanted to remove all
> my iPhone's installed apps just to add a newly downloaded app! I don't
> want to do that. I just to add that downloaded app from the computer to
> iPhone.
>
> Am I missing something? Thank you in advance. :)

Why didn’t you just get the app from the store using wifi ?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-10-26, Ant <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> On Saturday at 4:37 AM PDT, I had a big HDD crash with its clicks of
> deaths on my very old Windows XP Pro SP3 box. After getting a brand new
> HDD, I installed a brand new 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 with all of its updates.
> I also reinstalled everything including iTunes v12.5.1.21 from scratch.
> Everything seems to work since I can access iPhone 4S (iOS v9.3.5)'s
> DCIM's images, back up, etc.
>
> Here's a problem: I downloaded a brand new free app in my new W7's
> iTunes and wanted to sync it to iPhone, but iTunes wanted to remove all
> my iPhone's installed apps just to add a newly downloaded app! I don't
> want to do that. I just to add that downloaded app from the computer to
> iPhone.
>
> Am I missing something? Thank you in advance. :)

Your device is already synchronized with the previous iTunes library
that was on your Windows computer. You will need to restore your
previous iTunes library to the computer before attempting to synchronize
with your device.

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[Ant]

Ah, that sucks. I didn't back up my iTunes data. I thought iTunes would
pick up from my iPhone 4S. :(

Since I made a NEW iTunes backup. Will restoring bring those apps back?

[David Empson]

Each iOS device has its iTunes sync state linked to a specific iTunes
library. If you start a fresh library, it doesn't have a point of
reference for what was last synced, so can't tell what was changed. The
only option offered is to start again after deleting all previously
synced content.

I expect this is mostly an anti-piracy measure: you aren't allowed to
sync your device to multiple iTunes libraries or that would be an easy
way of sharing content between people. It does seem a bit arcane,
especially if all the libraries involved are signed to the iTunes Store
using the same Apple ID. I expect Apple never got around to making this
easier because iTunes sync has been dwindling as a means of managing iOS
devices since iOS 5 removed the requirement of using iTunes for doing
software updates.

> Since I made a NEW iTunes backup. Will restoring bring those apps back?

Backups don't include the apps themselves, but the data in the apps is
preserved by a backup made to iCloud or iTunes.

You'll have to download the apps again, either via iTunes or using App
Store on the device. As long as you have your Apple ID and password, you
should be able to get all the apps back again (unless some of the them
have been removed from the App Store - again, if you had a backup of
your iTunes library that wouldn't be a problem).

Data synced from the previous iTunes library (e.g. music) will be
erased.

If you enabled "Manually manage music and videos" then any music/videos
you manually copied onto the iPhone will NOT be backed up, and will be
lost if you erase the device.

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[Ant]

Exactly what I was thinking. I would have assumed Apple would have my
records of stuff I purchased and to let me sync them. Bah.

[Algeria Horan]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:17:41 +1300, David Empson wrote:

> The
> only option offered is to start again after deleting all previously
> synced content.

Maybe the OP can save and then install the app IPAs without iTunes?

I've never done it on iOS (but I've done it many times on Android so it's
trivial to do if you have the freeware tools that do it).

Googling, this link mentions potentially useful software such as the Apple
"iPhone Configuration Utility/iPhone Configurator", "iFunBox", "ios-deploy",
"Test Flight", "Diawi", "Hockey App", etc.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20160285/install-ipa-to-ipad-with-or-without-itunes

Here is a command-line installer for iOS apps:
https://github.com/phonegap/ios-deploy (command-line install of iOS apps)

Here's the description for Diawi for example:
https://www.diawi.com/]
1. Upload the iOS or Android application.
2. Send the link to your testers, clients, friends or even use it yourself.
3. Open the link in the browser on the device and click on install."

Apple seems to have an "Apple Configurator" which replaced the "iPhone
Configuration Utility", which is described here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1465?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
"iPhone Configuration Utility lets you easily... install... authorized
applications"

Apple Configurator replaces iPhone Configuration Utility.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/apple-configurator/id434433123

Here is the freeware ifunbox description:
http://www.i-funbox.com/

Will one of these non-iTunes iOS IPA installers work for the OP?

[Algeria Horan]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:47:51 -0500, Ant wrote:

> Ah, that sucks. I didn't back up my iTunes data. I thought iTunes would
> pick up from my iPhone 4S. :(

Dunno if this helps, but, can you just save the apps to their zip file
equivalents (called APKs on Android, and I think IPAs on iOS) using backup
freeware?

That's what I do on the other platform, although I never tried it on iOS.
You can save the apps as their installers at any time, even long after
they've been installed (at least for APKs you can).

You can even back up the original system apps, in case you don't want the
updated ones that come with the latest and greatest operating system.

If you can find a similar freeware app for iOS that simply does the same
thing, you'd have a potential solution.

Something like this would make sense, with extra saving steps due to the
fact that you don't have an external SD card for protected storage.

1. Install an iOS app-backup app that backs up all your app installaters
2. Save those IPAs somewhere off the iOS device
3. Do whatever iTunes is forcing you to do
4. Re-install the saved IPAs.

I do this every time I factory reset, so, I know the process works
beautifully but I never tried it on iOS, so, consider it just a potential
solution.

What it requires is a freeware app that backs up all your currently
installed programs to their respective IPAs.

Does that exist on iOS?
I don't know.
But others here would know far more about that than I do.

[Algeria Horan]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:45:36 +1300, David Empson wrote:

> If you don't have a backup of the old iTunes library, there is no way to
> sync with the new iTunes library without letting iTunes erase the
> iPhone.

Will "CopyTrans Apps" or "CopyTrans Shelbee" freeware work for the OP?

"CopyTrans Apps allows you to restore iPhone apps independent of iCloud or
iTunes "

How to restore lost apps on iPhone?
http://www.copytrans.net/blog/how-to-restore-lost-apps-on-iphone/#recover-apps-without-itunes

[Algeria Horan]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:56:05 -0500, Ant wrote:

> I would have assumed Apple would have my
> records of stuff I purchased and to let me sync them. Bah.

I wouldn't give up if I were you.

What you want to do, everyone wants to do, so, it's probably already out
there for you. Often for free.

David Empson knows this stuff better than I ever will, but, until he checks
out what I've posted, I think your main problem is only how to save your
existing apps to IPA files on your desktop computer without iTunes.

On the other platform, that's trivial so I assume it's as easy on iOS.

Googling, I find this $40 "iMazing" software, which may do what you seem to
need:

https://imazing.com/features/ios-app-management
"iMazing features a powerful app and app data extraction tool which can help
you backup, restore or transfer the state of an application from any iOS
device to any other."

https://support.imazing.com/hc/en-us/articles/210869438-How-to-Store-Backup-and-Restore-Apps-and-App-Data
Extract the App from the Source
1. Connect the source device to iMazing, select it and click on Apps
2. Select the app(s) to be transferred
3. Click on Manage Apps at the bottom of the view
4. Choose Extract App - then choose a location for the app to be stored on
your computer

Does that app extract all your iPhone apps to an IPA (or other) format on
your PC without iTunes?

[Algeria Horan]

On 27 Oct 2016 00:44:43 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You will need to restore your
> previous iTunes library to the computer before attempting to synchronize
> with your device.

Can the OP do that without iTunes?

Googling, I see this, which might work to extract the IPAs out of his
existing set of software apps on the phone.

Tutorial to easily backup/extract ipa file of app from iPhone/iPad/iPod
using iTools on Mac/PC Windows 7/8/8.1/10

http://techapple.net/2015/01/tutorial-easily-backupextract-ipa-file-app-iphoneipad-using-itools-macpc-windows-788-110/

[nospam]

In article <nv03ba$1fbi$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> > You will need to restore your
> > previous iTunes library to the computer before attempting to synchronize
> > with your device.
>
> Can the OP do that without iTunes?

who cares.

itunes is completely free and works quite well.

[Algeria Horan]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:58:51 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

>> Am I missing something? Thank you in advance. :)
>
> Why didn’t you just get the app from the store using wifi ?

That makes sense, to me.
If he uses the phone to get the app, it won't need iTunes.

However, I think the OP wants to "sync" with his computer.
Is that right?

Like almost everyone in the olden days, I used iTunes to initialize and
manage (aka "sync") content on iPods, but I found iTunes' sync model far too
restrictive and dangerous (which the OP is finding out too).

Luckily, many people think the way I do, so I soon found many existing
freeware iTunes alternatives (e.g., SharePod), which I've used ever since,
which don't have any of the restrictions iTunes has when syncing content.

I think the OP's problem, if I understand it correctly, is that he used to
sync his apps to iTunes on the computer, but now the new iTunes installation
has only a single app in it, while his phone has tons of apps on it.

The iTunes model is forcing him to sync the phone with the one app in iTunes
on the computer, which is not what the OP wants iTunes to do. And the OP is
correct. He should be able to do whatever he wants to do. Not give up.

Since what the OP wants to do is only arbitrarily restricted, I'm sure less
restrictive iTunes alternatives exist that the OP can use to solve his sync
problem.

Googling, one hit is "tunesgo" which says it transfers the apps both ways:
https://tunesgo.wondershare.com/iphone-transfer/transfer-apps-between-iphone-and-itunes.html
" Steps to Transfer Apps between iPhone and iTunes

Step 1 Download and install TunesGo on your computer and then connect your
iPhone with the computer via your iPhone USB Cable.

Step 2 Transfer Apps from iPhone to iTunes. Go to Apps on the top of the
main interface, all the apps on your iPhone will be shown by list. Check the
apps you want to export to iTunes, and then click Export from the top menu
bar and selet iTunes folder as the destination folder, click OK to start the
export.

Step 3 Transfer Apps from iTunes to iPhone. Go to Apps on the top of the
main interface, click Install button from the top menu bar to enter the
default path of iTunes folder, select the apps you want to install on your
iPhone and click Open to start the installation. "

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-10-28, Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:
> On 27 Oct 2016 00:44:43 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You will need to restore your
>> previous iTunes library to the computer before attempting to synchronize
>> with your device.
>
> Can the OP do that without iTunes?

The OP already has iTunes installed. But then you knew that, and are
ignoring it because: troll. Lame. Try harder next time.

[nospam]

In article <nv04g6$1n6d$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> >> Am I missing something? Thank you in advance. :)
> >

> > Why didn┤ you just get the app from the store using wifi ?

>
> That makes sense, to me.
> If he uses the phone to get the app, it won't need iTunes.
>
> However, I think the OP wants to "sync" with his computer.
> Is that right?

who knows, since you snipped everything in order to rant.

> Like almost everyone in the olden days, I used iTunes to initialize and
> manage (aka "sync") content on iPods, but I found iTunes' sync model far too
> restrictive and dangerous

it isn't.

what happened in your case is you fucked up and refuse to accept
responsibility.

> (which the OP is finding out too).

he didn't.

> Luckily, many people think the way I do,

fortunately, nobody does.

> so I soon found many existing
> freeware iTunes alternatives (e.g., SharePod), which I've used ever since,
> which don't have any of the restrictions iTunes has when syncing content.

nonsense. everything has restrictions and those apps are mostly crap
anyway.

> I think the OP's problem, if I understand it correctly, is that he used to
> sync his apps to iTunes on the computer, but now the new iTunes installation
> has only a single app in it, while his phone has tons of apps on it.

you understand wrong.

[Algeria Horan]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 13:59:46 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Can the OP do that without iTunes?
>
> who cares.
>
> itunes is completely free and works quite well.

Isn't the OP's problem that iTunes is forcing him to essentially wipe out
all the apps on the phone in order to use iTunes to install the one app that
is in the curent PC's iTunes library?

If that's what's happening, iTunes does not work well for what the OP wants
to do.

Luckily, a simple search found plenty of iTunes alternatives out there, so,
the fact they exist, tells us something about iTunes' utterly horridly
restrictive and dangerous use model, doesn't it.

SynciOS
"With the One-click backup and restore tool, you are allowed to backup all
of your mobile files to PC breathtakingly easy, do not have to worry about
data loss or phone stolen any more."
http://www.syncios.com/features.html

[Algeria Horan]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:17:25 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> I think the OP's problem, if I understand it correctly, is that he used to
>> sync his apps to iTunes on the computer, but now the new iTunes installation
>> has only a single app in it, while his phone has tons of apps on it.
>
> you understand wrong.

I'll let the OP or David Empson (who is almost never wrong) say if my
summary above is correct or not as to the OP's sync issue with iTunes.

[nospam]

In article <nv0517$1qr7$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> >> Can the OP do that without iTunes?
> >
> > who cares.
> >
> > itunes is completely free and works quite well.
>
> Isn't the OP's problem that iTunes is forcing him to essentially wipe out
> all the apps on the phone in order to use iTunes to install the one app that
> is in the curent PC's iTunes library?

no, and itunes is not forcing anything.

his issue is that his device is synced with another library.

syncing is normally between two sources (i.e., iphone - computer) no
matter what sync tool is used. it's hard enough to get that to work
properly just with two sources, nevermind multiple sources.

> If that's what's happening, iTunes does not work well for what the OP wants
> to do.

it does, but not in the way he's trying to use it.

> Luckily, a simple search found plenty of iTunes alternatives out there, so,
> the fact they exist, tells us something about iTunes' utterly horridly
> restrictive and dangerous use model, doesn't it.

no it doesn't.

not only that, but you've never tried any of them and refuse to use
itunes so you're not in a position to compare. for all you know, it
could be worse.

[Algeria Horan]

On 28 Oct 2016 18:15:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Can the OP do that without iTunes?
>
> The OP already has iTunes installed.

I know next to nothing about iOS & iTunes, and yet, each time you post, you
prove that you know even less than I do.

The problem is clear that iTunes isn't doing what the OP wants it to do.

It's also clear that on Android, this problem wouldn't exist.
Nor would the problem exist with a decent iTunes alternative program.

Why not?
Because iTunes' restrictive use model "is" the problem.

If that's not a true statement, then I'll let either David Empson or the OP
himself correct that, since you clearly know even less than I do.

I just know that iTunes alone is causing the problem the OP is experiencing.

[nospam]

In article <nv05h9$1u7j$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> >> Can the OP do that without iTunes?
> >
> > The OP already has iTunes installed.
>
> I know next to nothing

if you stopped there, you'd be correct.

> about iOS & iTunes, and yet, each time you post, you
> prove that you know even less than I do.

nonsense.

> The problem is clear that iTunes isn't doing what the OP wants it to do.

no, the problem is that he doesn't understand syncing. nor do you.

it has nothing to do with itunes.

you just want to bash.

> It's also clear that on Android, this problem wouldn't exist.

actually, it does.

> Nor would the problem exist with a decent iTunes alternative program.

wrong on that too.

> Why not?
> Because iTunes' restrictive use model "is" the problem.

nope.

[Algeria Horan]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:31:05 -0400, nospam wrote:

> not only that, but you've never tried any of them and refuse to use
> itunes so you're not in a position to compare. for all you know, it
> could be worse.

I've been using SharePod for years, and it works great.

Far better than iTunes for copying any MP3 from anywhere I want to anywhere
I want, without *ever* wiping out my entire iPod (which iTunes is
essentially asking the OP do to with his iPhone apps).

No restrictions whatsoever with SharePod freeware.
But I've only used SharePod for data (e.g., music).

The OP needs something similarly unrestricted, but for apps.

I'm sure the the current iTunes' alternatives will do what the OP needs
done.

But it's up to the OP to test, since he has the problem, not me.
I can only suggest the software that I suggested prior.

Since I provided references (which you almost never do), I'm sure David
Empson can advise the OP accordingly, since David knows iOS & iTunes better
than all of the rest of us combined.

[Algeria Horan]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:34:08 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> The problem is clear that iTunes isn't doing what the OP wants it to do.
>
> no, the problem is that he doesn't understand syncing. nor do you.
>
> it has nothing to do with itunes.

You are so wrong so many times that nothing from you can ever be believed.
But let's assume you (for once) actually told the truth.

If you know the answer that solves the OP's stated problem, why haven't you
provided the solution steps to the OP, who, I'm sure, would love to have
them since even David Empson hasn't been able to solve the OP's problem.

Or, were you not telling the truth (yet again)?

HINT: You just make this stuff up.

[Patty Winter]

In article <nY-dnaOxYb549I_F...@earthlink.com>,
Ant <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote:

[whole bunch of unneeded quotage deleted]

> I would have assumed Apple would have my
>records of stuff I purchased and to let me sync them. Bah.

Apple does have records of your purchases. Just re-download the ones
you want.


Patty

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-10-28, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nv0517$1qr7$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan
><algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> >> Can the OP do that without iTunes?
>> >
>> > who cares.
>> >
>> > itunes is completely free and works quite well.
>>
>> Isn't the OP's problem that iTunes is forcing him to essentially wipe out
>> all the apps on the phone in order to use iTunes to install the one app that
>> is in the curent PC's iTunes library?
>
> no, and itunes is not forcing anything.
>
> his issue is that his device is synced with another library.

The core issue is that Apple caved when music executives demanded that
they cripple iTunes so that it refuses to copy media from iOS devices to
strange computers with blank iTunes libraries as an anti-piracy measure.
The agreements Apple was able to establish with music executives allowed
Apple to truly disrupt the industry - most will argue for the better.
Anyway, synchronization is typically thought of as transferring content
both ways to make both source and destination equal; but that's not how
everything works in the case of iTunes for certain media and data. It's
also true that restoring your iTunes library from your computer's backup
is all that is needed to be able to sync the device to a computer again
after wiping it and starting over with a new OS. And of course there are
programs like Senuti that many of us have used to copy data from our iOS
devices onto strange computers since the old days of iOS. But you can
also just install whatever app you want directly on the device through
the App Store, which is often faster and easier.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-10-28, Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> On 28 Oct 2016 18:15:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Can the OP do that without iTunes?
>>
>> The OP already has iTunes installed.
>
> I know next to nothing about iOS & iTunes

You make that clear each time you open your mouth.

[useless trollish ranting omitted]

[Algeria Horan]

On 28 Oct 2016 22:48:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> The core issue is that Apple caved when music executives demanded that
> they cripple iTunes so that it refuses to copy media from iOS devices to
> strange computers with blank iTunes libraries as an anti-piracy measure.
> The agreements Apple was able to establish with music executives allowed
> Apple to truly disrupt the industry - most will argue for the better.
> Anyway, synchronization is typically thought of as transferring content
> both ways to make both source and destination equal; but that's not how
> everything works in the case of iTunes for certain media and data. It's
> also true that restoring your iTunes library from your computer's backup
> is all that is needed to be able to sync the device to a computer again
> after wiping it and starting over with a new OS. And of course there are
> programs like Senuti that many of us have used to copy data from our iOS
> devices onto strange computers since the old days of iOS. But you can
> also just install whatever app you want directly on the device through
> the App Store, which is often faster and easier.

This is good information, but it doesn't change the fundamental fact that
the OP hasn't (yet) been able to do simply what he wants to do.

I've always done what I want to do (that can be done) with my iPods and
iPads, so, I'm sure there is a way (which is why I suggested the
less-restrictive iTunes alternatives).

At this point, I'm not doing any more research for the OP until/unless the
OP writes back where he stands on the origian problem set.

It's frustrating when people ask for help, and then never report back
whether they've been successful or not. All we know from the OP are his
musings to David Empson, but not whether he solved the problem or whether he
just gave up.

Me?
I'd solve the problem.
But it wouldn't be by using iTunes (based on what David Empson explained
already).

It would be most likely by using one of the many less restricted iTunes
alternatives.

[nospam]

In article <nv5apm$673$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> I've always done what I want to do (that can be done) with my iPods and
> iPads,

no you haven't, because you keep ranting about things you claim to not
be able to do on ios, despite being told how.

> so, I'm sure there is a way

there is, but you aren't interested.

> (which is why I suggested the
> less-restrictive iTunes alternatives).

those are actually more restrictive, for various reasons.

[Algeria Horan]

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 13:48:54 -0400, nospam wrote:

> no you haven't, because you keep ranting about things you claim to not
> be able to do on ios, despite being told how.

Heh heh ... the fact that I can do, on Android, so much more than you can do
on iOS irks you to no end, it seems.

Everything that I can do on Android, I've tried on iOS, and it just can't be
done.

iOS is the operating system for people who love to "just give up".

For example, it's utterly trivial to automatically record phone calls on
Android, but on iOS, you have to "just give up".

It's just as trivial to organize your desktop the way you want on Android,
with the icons put where you want, empty space where you want, the size and
shape of icons how you want, whether the icon shows up or not on the desktop
up to you, and even the name of the icon is entirely up to you.

On iOS you can't do *any* of that; you're force to "just give up".

As you just stated, iOS is for users who love to "just give up".

>> so, I'm sure there is a way
>
> there is, but you aren't interested.

Again, you fail to understand anything.

If I were the OP, I would never have used iTunes in the first place.
Since this problem is caused *by* iTunes, this problem wouldn't even exist.

People who use iTunes are used to having it limit them.
People who love iTunes, as you said, love to be limited by it.

>> (which is why I suggested the
>> less-restrictive iTunes alternatives).
>
> those are actually more restrictive, for various reasons.

Heh heh ... yeah. The ability to do whatever you want however you want using
any computer you want is too restrictive for you iTunes lovers.

You are funny.
I think you actually *believe* what you write.
Which makes it all the more sad.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-10-30, Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 13:48:54 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> no you haven't, because you keep ranting about things you claim to not
>> be able to do on ios, despite being told how.
>

> Everything that I can do on Android, I've tried on iOS, and it just can't be
> done.

Nope; you just gave up, because: troll.

> iOS is the operating system for people who love to "just give up".

Only for dimwits like you.

> For example, it's utterly trivial to automatically record phone calls on
> Android, but on iOS, you have to "just give up".

Liar. Actual iOS users have been recording calls on iOS for years with
apps like this:

<http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/04/13/audiorecorder-2-record-phone-calls-iphone-ios-8/>

Meanwhile, you just gave up because: troll.

> It's just as trivial to organize your desktop the way you want on Android,
> with the icons put where you want, empty space where you want, the size and
> shape of icons how you want, whether the icon shows up or not on the desktop
> up to you, and even the name of the icon is entirely up to you.
>
> On iOS you can't do *any* of that; you're force to "just give up".

Another of your silly trollish lies, easily proven wrong. Here are some
alternative launchers for iOS that many iOS users make use of to do
these things you claim are "impossible":

<http://lifehacker.com/5836229/the-best-app-launcher-for-iphone>

> As you just stated, iOS is for users who love to "just give up".

Liar. That's *your* statement and it's proven wrong over and over again.
You just stick to your silly lies anyway though, because: troll.

>>> so, I'm sure there is a way
>>
>> there is, but you aren't interested.
>
> Again, you fail to understand anything.

He understands you well. It's true you aren't interested in answers. You
are only interested in lying, cheating, and trolling the Apple news
groups. You go out of your way to troll here because belittling others
is the only way you know to make yourself feel better about your life
choices. You're a pathetic and foolish old man; and when you finally
die or otherwise vanish from these news groups, you won't be missed by
anyone here.

[nospam]

In article <nv5o73$u6q$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> > no you haven't, because you keep ranting about things you claim to not
> > be able to do on ios, despite being told how.
>
> Heh heh ... the fact that I can do, on Android, so much more than you can do
> on iOS irks you to no end, it seems.

you have no idea what i or anyone else does with ios or any other
system.

you think all that matters is rearranging icons in cutesy patterns.

> Everything that I can do on Android, I've tried on iOS, and it just can't be
> done.

that's because you're inept and give up, even after people explain how.

you don't even try.

> iOS is the operating system for people who love to "just give up".

you have that backwards.

> For example, it's utterly trivial to automatically record phone calls on
> Android, but on iOS, you have to "just give up".

recording calls is a huge security hole (a rogue app could record
without you knowing), is illegal in many places without consent (and
sometimes even with consent), but can be done if one really wants. you
are just too pigheaded to want to learn how.

there are many other things that are utterly trivial to do on ios that
are at best difficult but more likely impossible to do on android.

it's an *overlap*, not a subset.

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

> Everything that I can do on Android, I've tried on iOS, and it just can't
> be done.

Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always, you pathetic excuse for a troll.

[Algeria Horan]

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:08:52 -0400, nospam wrote:

> you have no idea what i or anyone else does with ios or any other
> system.

I read all the posts in all the thread I author, and, I've authored threads
on what can iOS possibly do natively that Android doesn't already do.

There's nothing iOS can do that Android doesn't already do.
There's tons Android does that iOS can never hope to do.

Those are facts.

All that comes out of those threads from your are trademarks of things that
work only within the walled garden, or that which *require* secondary
computers and/or huge cloud servers, and hence are meaningless in terms of
the iOS device itself.

While there is *plenty* that Android devices do, all by their itty bitty
selves that iOS can't hope to do (I can list a score of things right off the
top of my head, for example), there is nothing whatsoever that iOS can do
(all by itself) that Android doesn't do (your trademark Airdroid bullshit
notwithstanding).

> there are many other things that are utterly trivial to do on ios that
> are at best difficult but more likely impossible to do on android.

Without naming bullshit Apple trademarks (which is what you love to do),
just name one functionality you can do on the itty bitty iOS device (all by
itself, without the need of tremendous backup compute power requiring the
support of the walled garden) that isn't already on Android.

Just one.

What's that?
You can't?

QED.

[Algeria Horan]

The only way you can do some of what you said is to jailbreak the device.
The rest, you can't even do, even if you jailbreak (so you just give up).

On Android, all of what I said just works.

[nospam]

In article <nv6ps7$9r5$8...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> There's nothing iOS can do that Android doesn't already do.
> There's tons Android does that iOS can never hope to do.
>
> Those are facts.

nope. that's your imagination and desire to bash and troll.

> Just one.
>
> What's that?
> You can't?

already have, numerous times, as have others.

you ignore anything and everything that contradicts your beliefs.

[Algeria Horan]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:26:46 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always, you pathetic excuse for a troll.

We've already proven that I tell the truth, and that the three stooges will
make up *anything* to hold on to their faith in Apple products.

What's funny is that I don't have any faith in Apple products any more than
I do in Android products.

The Apple hardware is, in fact, pretty damn good stuff. Excellent stuff.
Stuff that the other guys (Samsung, LG, Google, etc.) try to copy, and
generally fail (except recently).

Since the Apple hardware is fantastic, why does the functionality on iOS
suck so badly?

The reason is only one thing.
Apple limited the functionality.

That's a fact.

You can whine all you want about how I "lie through my fucking teeth", but
you can't ever escape the fact that you're forced to "just give up" so many
times on iOS that you don't even notice it anymore.

When I tell you the truth, you actually call me a "liar".

Which is funny.
Because I think you actually believe that.
Simply because I speak the truth.

Which just makes you sad.

[Algeria Horan]

On 29 Oct 2016 17:11:41 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You make that clear each time you open your mouth.

The funny thing is that I know Android rather well, and what I can do on
Android, can't possibly be done on iOS.

Yet, there's absolutely nothing (not one bit of functionality) that iOS can
do (all by its itty bitty self) that Android doesn't *already* do.

That's a fact, which the three stooges (nosapm, rodspeed, jollyroger) always
dispute with words like "lies" and "bs", but which, even today, after having
asked you many times in other threads, the combined three stooges can't come
up with a single functionality that iOS has that Android doesn't already
have.

What you come up with it Apple trademarks (which, you seriously believe is
functionality). It's sad what you come up with, since everything requires
*assistance* from the walled garden.

There's nothing that iOS can do alone that Android doesn't already do, and,
worse, I can list off the top of my head over a score of functionality iOS
can't hope to do which is trivial for Android.

Want me to list the list again?
What's your list?

Airdroid trademarks!
Heh heh ...

[nospam]

In article <nv7pj0$1tp7$3...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> The funny thing is that I know Android rather well, and what I can do on
> Android, can't possibly be done on iOS.

many times it can, usually with less hassle, but you just give up,
often without even trying and sometimes even after people explain how
to do it.

there are also a shitload of things that *can't* be done on android
that can easily be done on ios.

again, one is *not* a subset of the other. it's an *overlap*.

if all you do is rearrange icons in cutesy patterns, then android is
for you, whle for more important tasks, ios is a better choice.

> Yet, there's absolutely nothing (not one bit of functionality) that iOS can
> do (all by its itty bitty self) that Android doesn't *already* do.

complete nonsense.

[nospam]

In article <nv7piv$1tp7$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> Since the Apple hardware is fantastic, why does the functionality on iOS
> suck so badly?
>
> The reason is only one thing.
> Apple limited the functionality.

nope. it's because you give up.

[Algeria Horan]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:06:55 -0400, nospam wrote:

> there are also a shitload of things that *can't* be done on android
> that can easily be done on ios.

Name one.

Hell, even on iOS 10, the latest and greatest iOS ever, you *still* are
forced to make a dumb folder, of all things, just to hide all the apps you
don't want to see, for heaven's sake.

And, you can't do even *simpler* stuff on the primitive one-button-mouse
iOS; for example, you can't even change the name of an icon, for heaven's
sake.

You can't even do that!

All this (and more) is trivial to do on modern Android launchers; yet, the
clearly primitive iOS launcher can't even do the *simplest* of things such
as put icons in any spot where you want them to be (e.g., in any pattern you
desire).

It's trivial to do all this (and more) on Android.

Q: How do you do this on iOS?
A: You just give up.

You can't name a single bit of functionality, even something as simple as
what I'm listing above, that you can do on iOS that isn't *already* on
Android.

Not one.

[Algeria Horan]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:50:01 -0400, nospam wrote:

> you ignore anything and everything that contradicts your beliefs.

Heh heh ... you say that because you can't name a single thing.

You can only name trademarks, and things that *require* other parts of teh
walled garden in order to work.

Yet, I can list (and have many times) a score of functionality that iOS
can't hope to do that Android does easily.

The fact is that you can't name a single functionality, not one, that iOS
has, that Android doesn't already have - yet - I can list a score of things
that Android can do that iOS can't hope to do.

For example, given the iOS launcher is utterly primitive, how do you change
to a better more functional and far less primitive launcher on iOS (which is
trivial to do on Android).

What's that?
You can't?

Thought so.

[Algeria Horan]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:06:56 -0400, nospam wrote:

> it's because you give up.

You have to agree that, on Android, it's trivial to change the launcher to a
more modern launcher than the one that is provided by the manufacturer
(which is, in my case, TouchWiz).

Swapping TouchWiz for Halo or Nova, is trivial, as you must know, on
Android.

So voila. I have a more modern launcher.

Yet, on iOS, both you and I are stuck with the horrendously primitive iOS
launcher. It can't do *anything* that the modern launchers can do.

It's the same "functionality" argument, all over again.

On Android, even the most primitive launcher can do everything that the
vastly limited iOS launcher can do, yet, the primitive iOS launcher can't do
any of the wonderful things that the more modern launchers on Android do as
a matter of habit.

In fact, the iOS launcher is so utterly primitive by way of comparison to
modern launchers, that just *looking* at anyone's iOS desktop has the look
and feel of a one-button mouse.

So, what do I do when I want modern features in my iOS launcher.
You're right. I am forced to "just give up".

Just like you do, all day, every day.
Clearly, iOS is the platform for people who "just give up".

[nospam]

In article <nv7t64$4lc$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> > there are also a shitload of things that *can't* be done on android
> > that can easily be done on ios.
>
> Name one.

already have. you aren't interested in anything that contradicts your
beliefs.

you're like a flat earther, where even with concrete proof earth is
*not* flat, continues to insist that it is.

> Hell, even on iOS 10, the latest and greatest iOS ever, you *still* are
> forced to make a dumb folder, of all things, just to hide all the apps you
> don't want to see, for heaven's sake.

only for apple apps (not apps in general), except that it's no longer
true and so incredibly minor that it doesn't even matter anyway.

> And, you can't do even *simpler* stuff on the primitive one-button-mouse
> iOS; for example, you can't even change the name of an icon, for heaven's
> sake.
>
> You can't even do that!

ios doesn't use a mouse so there can't be 'one-button-mouse ios' and
there's no need to rename icons anyway.

> All this (and more) is trivial to do on modern Android launchers; yet, the
> clearly primitive iOS launcher can't even do the *simplest* of things such
> as put icons in any spot where you want them to be (e.g., in any pattern you
> desire).
>
> It's trivial to do all this (and more) on Android.

who the fuck cares.

if all you do is rename and rearrange icons all day long, then get an
android device.

meanwhile, ios users do *real work*.

[Patty Winter]

I realize that you're all enjoying feeding the "Algeria" troll,
but to get back to the actual issue, isn't what I wrote below
accurate? Can't "Ant" just download the apps he wants without
worrying about whether he has them backed up on iTunes or not?


Patty


In article <nv0j3u$7pi$1...@dont-email.me>,

[nospam]

In article <nv83jg$184$2...@dont-email.me>, Patty Winter

<pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:

> I realize that you're all enjoying feeding the "Algeria" troll,
> but to get back to the actual issue, isn't what I wrote below
> accurate? Can't "Ant" just download the apps he wants without
> worrying about whether he has them backed up on iTunes or not?

yes

[Algeria Horan]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 13:14:40 -0400, nospam wrote:

> already have. you aren't interested in anything that contradicts your
> beliefs.

Heh heh ... yeah.

You can't even name one thing iOS does that Android doesn't already do, even
though I can list on and on the many things Android does that iOS can't hope
to do.

Everything you've mentioned previously was either a meaningless trademark of
Apple, or what you suggested required the huge resources of the cloud, or,.
even funnier, it requires hundreds upon hundreds of megabytes of software on
a second computer.

For example, iOS is so primitive and limited that it can't even list, all by
itself, the installed programs to an editable text file, for heaven's sake.

That's just one of the many extremely trivially simple things, that iOS
can't hope to do.

Why?
Because iOS is a limited and primitive operating system.

NOTE: The hardware is stellar and decidedly NOT primitive.
It's only the operating system which is shockingly primitive.


> who the fuck cares.

The fact that you can't list a single bit of functionality that iOS can do
all by itself, that Android doesn't already do, simply proves my point.

The fact that I can list plenty of functionality that Android does that iOS
can't hope to do, also proves my point.

Either way: iOS is a primitive limited operating system designed for people
who "just give up" the moment the going gets tough.

You've proved it by your very own statements.

[Algeria Horan]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:49:44 -0400, nospam wrote:

> Can't "Ant" just download the apps he wants without
>> worrying about whether he has them backed up on iTunes or not?
>
> yes

Patty,

I think nospam answered your question, but that answer to your question
doesn't seem to fit the OP's original request.

Given "ant" knew this from the start, I suspect the problem set for the OP
is that he wants iTunes to work now, the way it did before his HDD crashed.

I think David Empson and others told him, essentially, iTunes fucked him.

Since the problem is apparently caused by iTunes' itself, I think the OP
simply wants iTunes to go back to what it was doing for him before (which is
fair enough).

I think he will have to "just give up" on using iTunes the way he was using
it before, which is, I think, what David Empson told him.

The fact the OP hasn't responded since hearing the bad news, is indicative
in and of itself, that he's forced to "just give up" on doing what he wanted
to do.

Hence, my suggestion of using one of the many iTunes alternatives which
aren't as restrictive as is iTunes itself.

We'll need to await a confirmation of what the OP ended up as a solution, to
fully know if he "just gave up" or if he found a solution to "his" problem
(not the fake solutions that the three musketeers love to froth about).

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

> nospam wrote

>> you have no idea what i or anyone else does with ios or any other system.

> I read all the posts in all the thread I author, and, I've authored
> threads
> on what can iOS possibly do natively that Android doesn't already do.

In fact you lied thru your fucking teeth about that and that
has nothing whatever do with what nospam said anyway.

> There's nothing iOS can do that Android doesn't already do.

Lie after lie after lie with all of airdrop, continuity,
handoff, sandboxing, applepay etc etc etc.

> Those are facts.

That is in fact just more of your bare faced lies/pathetic excuse for a
troll.

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always, you pathetic excuse for a
>> troll.

> We've already proven that I tell the truth,

Lie after lie after lie, you pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

[nospam]

In article <nv86ja$m96$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> Everything you've mentioned previously was either a meaningless trademark of
> Apple, or what you suggested required the huge resources of the cloud, or,.
> even funnier, it requires hundreds upon hundreds of megabytes of software on
> a second computer.

wrong, plus the cloud or another computer is no big deal since everyone
has both. no point in *not* using them, although neither is required.

> For example, iOS is so primitive and limited that it can't even list, all by
> itself, the installed programs to an editable text file, for heaven's sake.

yes it can, but who cares.

like i said, while you're listing apps and rearranging icons, ios users
are doing useful work.

[Jolly Roger]

> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
>
> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

The day your useless trolling ass dies hundreds of people on usenet will
celebrate.

[David Empson]

Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:

> I realize that you're all enjoying feeding the "Algeria" troll,

Are they still arguing with it? [checks] Sigh.

> but to get back to the actual issue, isn't what I wrote below
> accurate? Can't "Ant" just download the apps he wants without
> worrying about whether he has them backed up on iTunes or not?

Yes, as long as the app is still available on the App Store.

The purchase of the app (or getting a free one) is recorded against the
Apple ID of the purchaser. The app can be re-downloaded (assuming it is
still available) using App Store on any compatible iOS device, or in
iTunes, if signed in with the Apple ID which purchased the app.

In this case, Ant can't use iTunes because he's lost his original iTunes
library and created a new one. He'd have to erase the iPhone (or at
least its iTunes-managed content) before being able to start syncing the
iPhone with a new iTunes library, or using iTunes to manage that iPhone
(including installing apps from the new iTunes library).

No such problem using App Store on the device to download the app, but
that won't help to get the iPhone syncing with iTunes again.

I expect the folllowing process should be sufficient to get the iPhone
working with the new iTunes library. Any second opinions for
confirmation?

0. If some media synced to the iPhone from the previous iTunes library
(or manually managed) doesn't exist in the new iTunes library, use third
party utilities to extract that content and get it back into iTunes. (If
Ant had backups of the previous iTunes library, this wouldn't be a
problem, hence "0".)

1. Manually back up the iPhone using iTunes (with encryption enabled so
as much as possible is preserved).

2. Let iTunes start syncing with the iPhone, which will erase content
previously synced from the old iTunes library.

3. Set up sync rules so the iPhone will have the same content as before.

4. Restore the backup, then do another sync and check all is in order.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[AL]

On 10/31/2016 1:36 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> The day your useless trolling ass dies hundreds of people on usenet
> will celebrate.

Don't you think they would likely just laugh since he would undoubtedly
look funny walking around with a dead ass...

[Rod Speed]

AL <234nom...@invalid.com> wrote

Depends on how long its been dead for. They may well
be holding their noses and not laughing much at all.

And they are unlikely to be doing much celebrating either.

[Jolly Roger]

They are already laughing at his dumb ass. ; )

[Algeria Horan]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 06:42:46 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> airdrop, continuity,
> handoff, sandboxing, applepay etc etc etc.

We've long ago debunked the airdrop myth.

Let's take the Apple Pay (aka Google Virtual Wallet, PayPass, etc.)
suggestion, shall we?

And let's entirely forget that Apple Pay *requires* network computers on the
other end, which was not in the spirit of the question since the question
was what can the iOS device do all by its itty bitty self.

Not only does Apple Pay require other computers, but it also requires the
specific cloud, iCloud, which, as we said many times, is not in the spirit
of the question of what the mobile device can do all by its itty bitty self.

Nonetheless, let's look at this Apply Pay (Google Wallet, PayPass, etc.),
shall we.

What's the functionality outside the trademark bullshit?
It's the ability to pay for stuff using the phone.

You can also say it's the ability to pay for stuff using the phone without
the retailer having "direct access" to your credit card details.

Nice. But it's not iOS all by itself, and, even if we forget that it
requires both the iCloud specifically, and network computers, it's the same
functionality as Google Wallet or PayPass anyway.

All of which came well before Apple Pay, which is merely a copy of an
existing system. Nothing wrong with a copy, mind you, but it's nothing
unique.

Even worse, Apple reputedly gets a cut of the transaction, so, Apply Pay is
actually worse than Google Wallet in some ways; but the main point is that
it's nothing that wasn't already there, and besides, it's not something that
iOS has all by itself anyway.

As I said, Android does lots that iOS can't hope to do, and yet, there's
absolutely nothing that iOS does that Android doesn't already do.

You can't name a single one that passes even the simplest tests.

[Algeria Horan]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 10:44:10 +1300, David Empson wrote:

> In this case, Ant can't use iTunes because he's lost his original iTunes
> library and created a new one. He'd have to erase the iPhone (or at
> least its iTunes-managed content) before being able to start syncing the
> iPhone with a new iTunes library, or using iTunes to manage that iPhone
> (including installing apps from the new iTunes library).
>
> No such problem using App Store on the device to download the app, but
> that won't help to get the iPhone syncing with iTunes again.

Which is what I had explained to Patty already.

> I expect the folllowing process should be sufficient to get the iPhone
> working with the new iTunes library. Any second opinions for
> confirmation?
>
> 0. If some media synced to the iPhone from the previous iTunes library
> (or manually managed) doesn't exist in the new iTunes library, use third
> party utilities to extract that content and get it back into iTunes. (If
> Ant had backups of the previous iTunes library, this wouldn't be a
> problem, hence "0".)
>
> 1. Manually back up the iPhone using iTunes (with encryption enabled so
> as much as possible is preserved).
>
> 2. Let iTunes start syncing with the iPhone, which will erase content
> previously synced from the old iTunes library.
>
> 3. Set up sync rules so the iPhone will have the same content as before.
>
> 4. Restore the backup, then do another sync and check all is in order.

This sounds like a workable idea, and, you seem to be the only one who knew
iTunes' quirks well enough to suggest a workable solution to the OP that was
better than the many solutions I had suggested.

Since the OP seems to want iTunes to work, your solution beats all those of
mine, in that mine relied on software with a better use model in the first
place.

The only thing left is for the OP to provide the common courtesy to try your
suggestion, and, to report back success and how much time and effort it was,
so that all benefit from his copious endeavors (as always with all things
iOS).

[Algeria Horan]

On 31 Oct 2016 23:40:50 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> They are already laughing at his dumb ass. ; )

Meanwhile, the OP asked the question on 10/26, and to this date, as far as
we know, he's been entirely unsuccessful.

How much you wanna bet he "just gave up" like all iOS users do all day,
every day?

iOS === just give up

[Algeria Horan]

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:31:48 -0400, nospam wrote:

> wrong, plus the cloud or another computer is no big deal since everyone
> has both. no point in *not* using them, although neither is required.

First off, the main concept is that iOS can't do anything that isn't already
on Android, and worse yet for iOS, it's abundantly clear to everyone already
that Android does tons of stuff that iOS devices can't hope to do.

You guys first claim AirDrop ad hoc services is on iOS, as if ad hoc
services weren't already on Android for years before Apple bought AirDrop
from a third party, and we've discussed that one in detail.

Now I just showed Rod Speed how Apple Pay is the same situation, in that
it's simply a copy of Google Virtual Wallet (and PayPass too) that existed
well before Apple Pay ever existed.

It's just a trademark, for heaven's sake.
For something that already existed, years ago.

You fall for Apple Marketing trademarks, hook, line, and sinker!

Trademark idiocy aside, while neither Apple Pay nor Air Drop is
functionality that isn't already on Android, neither fits the statement that
you can't disprove, which is what positive functionality does iOS have that
Android doesn't already have all by its itty bitty self?

>> For example, iOS is so primitive and limited that it can't even list, all by
>> itself, the installed programs to an editable text file, for heaven's sake.
>
> yes it can, but who cares.

A C'mon, you're not *that* stupid.
We already discussed this, at length.
You just lie.

I always tell the truth. And I back up everything I say.
You always lie. Hence, of course, you never back up anything you say.

You can't.
You just make it all up.

Here is all your previous bs on the subject:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/trNDEOFg-A4

> like i said, while you're listing apps and rearranging icons, ios users
> are doing useful work.

What's really sad is that you actually think that.

I used to think you were like James Comey, who can only be incredibly stupid
or incredibly duplicitous. But you actually believe what you said, even
though you can't provide a single shred of evidence that proves what you
think.

You are indeed, a typical MARKETING-DRIVEN iOS user.
Almost perfect, in fact.

Except that once in a while, you actually can think for yourself.

Yet, even so, you can't find a single functionality that iOS has, all by
itself, that isn't *already* on Android (long ago).

[nospam]

In article <nv8v8n$1puq$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> > wrong, plus the cloud or another computer is no big deal since everyone
> > has both. no point in *not* using them, although neither is required.
>
> First off, the main concept is that iOS can't do anything that isn't already
> on Android, and worse yet for iOS, it's abundantly clear to everyone already
> that Android does tons of stuff that iOS devices can't hope to do.

what's abundantly clear to everyone, both ios and android, is that
you're a blithering idiot who can't do much of anything, other than
troll while rearranging icons in some new shape.

> You guys first claim AirDrop ad hoc services is on iOS, as if ad hoc
> services weren't already on Android for years before Apple bought AirDrop
> from a third party, and we've discussed that one in detail.

apple didn't buy airdrop from anyone.

> Now I just showed Rod Speed how Apple Pay is the same situation, in that
> it's simply a copy of Google Virtual Wallet (and PayPass too) that existed
> well before Apple Pay ever existed.

wrong on that too.

add mobile payments, emv and contactless payments to the ever growing
list of things about which you have absolutely *no* clue.

> It's just a trademark, for heaven's sake.
> For something that already existed, years ago.

wrong yet again. apple pay did not exist years ago, nor did android pay
for that matter.

> You fall for Apple Marketing trademarks, hook, line, and sinker!

quite the opposite. it is *you* who is falling for trademarks, without
ever looking at the underlying technologies.

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

> nospam wrote

>> wrong, plus the cloud or another computer is no big deal since everyone
>> has both. no point in *not* using them, although neither is required.

> First off, the main concept is that iOS can't do anything that isn't
> already on Android,

Lie after lie after lie, you silly little pathological liar/pathetic excuse
for a lying troll.

ApplePay was LONG before AndroidPay, you silly
little pathological liar/pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

> Now I just showed Rod Speed how Apple Pay is the same situation,
> in that it's simply a copy of Google Virtual Wallet (and PayPass too)
> that existed well before Apple Pay ever existed.

Like hell it is on the VIRTUAL CARD alone, you silly
little pathological liar/pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

> It's just a trademark, for heaven's sake.

Wrong, as always, you silly little pathological
liar/pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

> For something that already existed, years ago.

Like hell it is on the VIRTUAL CARD alone, you silly
little pathological liar/pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

[Algeria Horan]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 14:53:06 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> ApplePay was LONG before AndroidPay, you silly
> little pathological liar/pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

Heh heh ... I love the way you prove & nospam my point.

Even if Apple Pay was before Android Pay, the functionality is the same.

The pros and cons are different like all comparisons of functionality, but,
like a car that is made by Honda versus a car that is made by Toyota, the
basic functionality is the same.

You and nospam prove my point with every post you type.

You can't find a *single* bit of functionality, no matter how hard you try,
on iOS that isn't on Android.

Yet, anyone can list reams of functionality on Android that iOS can't hope
to match (e.g., torrenting, loading modern launchers, saving APKs to sd
cards, organizing desktops, file redirection and browsing the file system,
automatic call recording, etc.).

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

<reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit and lie your
way out of your predicament flushed where it belongs>

[nospam]

In article <nvgurs$155t$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> The pros and cons are different like all comparisons of functionality, but,
> like a car that is made by Honda versus a car that is made by Toyota, the
> basic functionality is the same.

the basic functionality might be but the details and user experience
are not.

while you might sometimes be able to do the same things on android,
it's often with a lot more hassle than with ios.

for instance, apple pay is much easier to use than android pay. tap and
it's done. no need to launch an app or unlock the phone or anything
else. apple pay can even be done from an apple watch, *without* a
phone, something android wear watches can't do.

a bigger problem is your bank might not support android pay, which
means you can't use android pay even if you wanted to.

chase, for example, just added android pay support this past september,
whereas they had apple pay support over *two* *years* ago.

that means even basic functionality *isn't* the same.

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

>> The pros and cons are different like all comparisons of
>> functionality, but, like a car that is made by Honda versus a
>> car that is made by Toyota, the basic functionality is the same.

Even sillier and an even more pathetic excuse for a troll than you usually
manage.

And even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should be
able to grasp that there is in fact a considerable difference
between say a Merc or a BMW and a fucking Yugo.

> the basic functionality might be but the
> details and user experience are not.

Correct.

> while you might sometimes be able to do the same things
> on android, it's often with a lot more hassle than with ios.

> for instance, apple pay is much easier to use than android pay. tap and
> it's done. no need to launch an app or unlock the phone or anything else.

You have in fact mangled that completely. With most androids
all you have to do is wake the phone, with ios you have to at
least use the touch ID and that is a good thing because that
means that someone who finds or steals your phone can't
do applepay transactions and loot your accounts that way.

> apple pay can even be done from an apple watch, *without*
> a phone, something android wear watches can't do.

True.

> a bigger problem is your bank might not support android pay,
> which means you can't use android pay even if you wanted to.

In fact with ours FAR more support android pay than apple pay.

> chase, for example, just added android pay support this past september,
> whereas they had apple pay support over *two* *years* ago.

> that means even basic functionality *isn't* the same.

But in our case its actually much better with android pay in that regard.

[Algeria Horan]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 00:15:11 -0400, nospam wrote:

> the basic functionality might be but the details and user experience
> are not.

For the first time, you said something sensible.

> while you might sometimes be able to do the same things on android,
> it's often with a lot more hassle than with ios.

Again, you said something sensible, which is that the functionality has pros
and cons, and you're saying (unsubstantiated) that the Android copy of the
iOS functionality entails "a lot more hassle than with iOS".

But, the point is that the functionality is there, just as map directions
are functionality, even though some are a lot more hassle than others to
interpret.

> for instance, apple pay is much easier to use than android pay.

Again, you're talking sense, in that you're comparing pros and cons of the
functionality.

> tap and
> it's done. no need to launch an app or unlock the phone or anything
> else. apple pay can even be done from an apple watch, *without* a
> phone, something android wear watches can't do.

All functionality comparisons will entail pros and cons.

> a bigger problem is your bank might not support android pay, which
> means you can't use android pay even if you wanted to.

Heh heh ...

For an iOS user to say that Android is "limited", is actually kind of funny,
especially since there's SO MUCH that is limiting about iOS that isn't
funny.

But that's the topic of a different thread.

> chase, for example, just added android pay support this past september,
> whereas they had apple pay support over *two* *years* ago.

Which proves my point, that the functionality exists, and, in the case of
Chase, it's exactly the same.

> that means even basic functionality *isn't* the same.

You must live on some odd planet where the functionality has to be exactly
the same down to the logo on the outside of the package for it to be
considered functionality.

A car is a car.
Weather it's a BMW or a Mercedes, it's just a car when you look at the
functionality.

All functionality has pros and cons.

[Algeria Horan]

On Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:08:45 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> And even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should be
> able to grasp that there is in fact a considerable difference
> between say a Merc or a BMW

You Apple bigots are all hung up on Trademarks.

Those things are called "passenger vehicles".

It's like you saying that the USA doesn't make "passenger vehicles" simply
because the USA doesn't manufacture Mercedes' trademarked "passenger
vehicles".

You guys can only think the way APPLE MARKETING told you to think.
You have absolutely zero independent thought processes.

[nospam]

In article <nvkm1d$184i$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> > chase, for example, just added android pay support this past september,
> > whereas they had apple pay support over *two* *years* ago.
>
> Which proves my point, that the functionality exists, and, in the case of
> Chase, it's exactly the same.

now it is, but for the two years prior to september, it wasn't.

keep in mind that chase has the largest share for credit card issuers,
so it affects a shitload of people.

> > that means even basic functionality *isn't* the same.
>
> You must live on some odd planet where the functionality has to be exactly
> the same down to the logo on the outside of the package for it to be
> considered functionality.

i never said any such thing.

> A car is a car.
> Weather it's a BMW or a Mercedes, it's just a car when you look at the
> functionality.

definitely wrong. there's a lot of things a bmw or mercedes can do that
a cheaper car, such as a yugo, cannot. plus the ride is much nicer,
along with much better reliability.

the biggest advantage is that nobody will laugh at you when you pull up
in a yugo (or more likely, have to push it there).

similarly, if all that matters is functionality, then a 12" b/w tv with
a digital tv adapter is equivalent to a 65" hdtv. you can watch the
very same shows on either one.

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> And even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should
>> be able to grasp that there is in fact a considerable
>> difference between say a Merc or a BMW

> You Apple bigots

I'm not an apple bigot and in fact have more android
devices than apple devices, you pathetic excuse for a
lying bullshit artist/pathetic excuse for a troll.

> are all hung up on Trademarks.

Even sillier than you usually manage. When discussing
whether the contactless payment method used on iOS
devices is better done than the contactless payment
method used on android, it makes sense to use the
two trademarks to succinctly describe which one you
are talking about. And you do that yourself when
discussing the two OSs, android and iOS, you pathetic

excuse for a lying troll.

> Those things are called "passenger vehicles".

And even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should have noticed
that Merc and BMW passenger vehicles are MUCH better done
than those done by Yugo, you pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

<reams of your even more pathetic excuse for a troll flushed where it
belongs>

[Algeria Horan]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2016 10:22:42 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Which proves my point, that the functionality exists, and, in the case of
>> Chase, it's exactly the same.
>
> now it is, but for the two years prior to september, it wasn't.

Fair enough, but the question is whether there is any FUNCTIONALITY (not
MARKETING bullshit) on iOS that isn't already on Android today.

We already proved *everything* you and that troll Rod Speed listed is
already on Android, for example:

*AirDrop* == Android has plenty of ad hoc file transfer services (such as
ShareIt, FileDrop, AirDroid, Google Cast, Google Bump, Google Copresence,
Beam, etc.)

*ApplePay* == Android has plenty of encrypted payment systems (such as
Android Pay, Google Wallet, PayPass, Samsung Pay, Barclaycard bPay, EE Cash
on Tap, V.me, etc.)

*Continuity* (which includes Handoff) == Android has plenty of similar
"umbrella liquid stuff" (such as AirDroid, SideSync, Remote Phone Call,
Dialog, Samsung Flow, Pushbullet, MightyText, Baton, etc.)

The case of "sandboxing" file system access is a special case since Android
has utterly fantastic file system access which iOS users can't hope to have,
and while both iOS and Android file system access functionalities have their
pros and cons, they're really just two different mutually incompatible takes
on file system access functionality overall.

> keep in mind that chase has the largest share for credit card issuers,
> so it affects a shitload of people.

That's simply a non sequitur.

Since it's obvious that Android has a LOT of functionality that iOS can't
hope to have (I'll list them again if you want me to), the question was
simply whether there was any functionality (even one thing?) that iOS users
can do that Android users can't.

The answer, so far, is that nobody on either the iOS or Android ng can find
a single functionality that iOS can do that Android users can't already do.

>>> that means even basic functionality *isn't* the same.
>>
>> You must live on some odd planet where the functionality has to be exactly
>> the same down to the logo on the outside of the package for it to be
>> considered functionality.
>
> i never said any such thing.

You argue pros and cons, which is fine for a thread about any specific
functionality, but for the overall functionality (e.g., electronic payment
systems), both platforms have it - and both have pros over the other, and
cons too.

That's the very nature of functionality, just as all passenger vehicles are
the same from the standpoint of basic functionality, even as any one
passenger vehicle has different pros and cons over another.

>> A car is a car.
>> Weather it's a BMW or a Mercedes, it's just a car when you look at the
>> functionality.
>
> definitely wrong. there's a lot of things a bmw or mercedes can do that
> a cheaper car, such as a yugo, cannot. plus the ride is much nicer,
> along with much better reliability.

I'm not sure if you entirely miss the point because you just want to argue,
or if you actually think that only Mercedes or BMW can functionally build a
passenger vehicle.

The functionality that is called a "car" is simple this:

Passenger Car Law & Legal Definition. According to 23 USCS § 157 [Title 23
Highways; Chapter 1 Federal-Aid Highways] , a passenger car means "a motor
vehicle with motive power (except a multipurpose passenger motor vehicle,
motorcycle, or trailer) designed to carry not more than 10 individuals."
http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/passenger-car/

> the biggest advantage is that nobody will laugh at you when you pull up
> in a yugo (or more likely, have to push it there).

What you're saying is what I've always said about iOS users, which is that
you care more about style than about functionality.

If you cared about functionality, you wouldn't be "driving" an iOS device,
since clearly I can list a score of functionality that Android does that iOS
can't hope to do - yet - nobody on this planet can find a single
functionality that iOS can do that Android doesn't already do.

> similarly, if all that matters is functionality, then a 12" b/w tv with
> a digital tv adapter is equivalent to a 65" hdtv. you can watch the
> very same shows on either one.

So are you saying that a 5 foot tall person isn't functionally a person
because they're not 6 feet tall?

Or that a two-inch-thick book isn't functionally a book simply because it's
not ten inches thick?

Or that a six-ounce glass of water isn't functionally a glass of water
because it's not a 50-ounce glass of water?

You are so driven by MARKETING that you can't even see that the mere size of
an object doesn't define the object when it's functionally just a
television.

MARKETING has so invaded your mind, that you can't even *understand* what I
just said.

[Algeria Horan]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 05:02:18 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> And even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should have noticed
> that Merc and BMW passenger vehicles are MUCH better done
> than those done by Yugo, you pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

You prove my point in every statement you make.
All you can think about are trademarks.

You can't fathom thinking anything that some MARKETING guy didn't put into
your head.

You have zero ability of independent thought.

The FUNCTIOALITY you're talking about is called a "car", otherwise known as
a "passenger vehicle", which is defined as follows:

A passenger vehicle:

According to 23 USCS § 157 [Title 23 Highways; Chapter 1 Federal-Aid
Highways] , a passenger car means "a motor vehicle with motive power (except
a multipurpose passenger motor vehicle, motorcycle, or trailer) designed to
carry not more than 10 individuals."

You don't even know what FUNCTIONALITY a "car" is, so, how can you be
expected to answer the question of what functionality is on iOS that isn't
already on Android (while there is tons of functionality on Android that iOS
can never hope to have).

Here's a summary of your MARKETING-induced euphoria:

AirDrop, == Android has plenty of ad hoc file transfer services (such as

ShareIt, FileDrop, AirDroid, Google Cast, Google Bump, Google Copresence,
Beam, etc.)

ApplePay == Android has plenty of encrypted payment systems (such as Android

Pay, Google Wallet, PayPass, Samsung Pay, Barclaycard bPay, EE Cash on Tap,
V.me, etc.)

Continuity (which includes Handoff) == Android has plenty of similar

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

<reams of your pathetic excuse for a troll flushed where it belongs>

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

<reams of your pathetic excuse for a troll flushed where it belongs>

[nospam]

In article <nvmg28$1taj$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

> >> A car is a car.
> >> Weather it's a BMW or a Mercedes, it's just a car when you look at the
> >> functionality.
> >
> > definitely wrong. there's a lot of things a bmw or mercedes can do that
> > a cheaper car, such as a yugo, cannot. plus the ride is much nicer,
> > along with much better reliability.
>
> I'm not sure if you entirely miss the point because you just want to argue,
> or if you actually think that only Mercedes or BMW can functionally build a
> passenger vehicle.
>
> The functionality that is called a "car" is simple this:
>
> Passenger Car Law & Legal Definition. According to 23 USCS § 157 [Title 23
> Highways; Chapter 1 Federal-Aid Highways] , a passenger car means "a motor
> vehicle with motive power (except a multipurpose passenger motor vehicle,
> motorcycle, or trailer) designed to carry not more than 10 individuals."
> http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/passenger-car/

*completely* missing the point.

in your fucked up world, a yugo is equivalent to a rolls royce, a
family sedan is equivalent to a two-seat roadster and a muscle car is
equivalent to an econobox.

and that doesn't even begin to get into autonomous features, such as
what's found in a tesla.

> > similarly, if all that matters is functionality, then a 12" b/w tv with
> > a digital tv adapter is equivalent to a 65" hdtv. you can watch the
> > very same shows on either one.
>
> So are you saying that a 5 foot tall person isn't functionally a person
> because they're not 6 feet tall?

*completely* missing the point again.

you truly are an idiot.

in your fucked up world, 5' tall people should be on a basketball team,
along with 6' and 7' tall people, because they're all functionally
equivalent.

[Ant]

OK. I think I am OK with this setup without any extra softwares. Since I
mainly use iTunes for iPhone backups. I will just download apps on the
iPhone and not in iTunes for now on.

I still use medias to sync to iPhones since they are huge like videos.
After making a manual backup before syncing ONLY videos from Apple Store
(1 new free episode) and VLC app's videos, this did not wipe out my
iPhone's apps and more.

Apple should use its authorizations on more than one computer to sync
between.


Ant <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote:
> Hello.

> On Saturday at 4:37 AM PDT, I had a big HDD crash with its clicks of
> deaths on my very old Windows XP Pro SP3 box. After getting a brand new
> HDD, I installed a brand new 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 with all of its updates.
> I also reinstalled everything including iTunes v12.5.1.21 from scratch.
> Everything seems to work since I can access iPhone 4S (iOS v9.3.5)'s
> DCIM's images, back up, etc.

> Here's a problem: I downloaded a brand new free app in my new W7's
> iTunes and wanted to sync it to iPhone, but iTunes wanted to remove all
> my iPhone's installed apps just to add a newly downloaded app! I don't
> want to do that. I just to add that downloaded app from the computer to
> iPhone.

> Am I missing something? Thank you in advance. :)

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[nospam]

In article <5fmdnbk42anbFYLF...@earthlink.com>, Ant

<ANT...@zimage.com> wrote:

>
> Apple should use its authorizations on more than one computer to sync
> between.

it's not an issue of authorization. syncing multiple more than two
devices without anything getting screwed up is *hard*. really hard.
it's also something very few people need.

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote

> Ant <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote

>> Apple should use its authorizations on more than one computer to sync
>> between.

> it's not an issue of authorization. syncing multiple more than two
> devices without anything getting screwed up is *hard*. really hard.

How odd that all the clouds do it fine.

> it's also something very few people need.

[nospam]

In article <e89ib9...@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed

<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Apple should use its authorizations on more than one computer to sync
> >> between.
>
> > it's not an issue of authorization. syncing multiple more than two
> > devices without anything getting screwed up is *hard*. really hard.
>
> How odd that all the clouds do it fine.

actually, they don't do it fine, particularly when the same files are
modified at the same time by different devices.

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:061120161535194073%nos...@nospam.invalid...

> In article <e89ib9...@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Apple should use its authorizations on more than one computer to sync
>> >> between.
>>
>> > it's not an issue of authorization. syncing multiple more than two
>> > devices without anything getting screwed up is *hard*. really hard.
>>
>> How odd that all the clouds do it fine.
>
> actually, they don't do it fine,

Corse they do.

[Algeria Horan]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2016 15:25:16 -0500, nospam wrote:

> it's not an issue of authorization. syncing multiple more than two
> devices without anything getting screwed up is *hard*. really hard.
> it's also something very few people need.

Except that everything but iTunes does it just fine.

[Algeria Horan]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2016 13:45:10 -0600, Ant wrote:

> OK. I think I am OK with this setup without any extra softwares. Since I
> mainly use iTunes for iPhone backups. I will just download apps on the
> iPhone and not in iTunes for now on.
>
> I still use medias to sync to iPhones since they are huge like videos.
> After making a manual backup before syncing ONLY videos from Apple Store
> (1 new free episode) and VLC app's videos, this did not wipe out my
> iPhone's apps and more.
>
> Apple should use its authorizations on more than one computer to sync
> between.

I thank you for summarizing what you have ended up doing to solve the
problem.

I too gave up on iTunes long ago, because iTunes "is" the problem.

So it's best that you gave up on using iTunes to download the apps. At best,
if you continue to use iTunes' fucked-up model, you have to watch out for
the mines laid by Apple that blow your foot and balls off when you sync.

Your other choice was, as suggested, a better app than iTunes (plenty
abound).

Anyway, you're learning how restricted and dangerous iTunes use model is.
At least you got out of the iTunes mess with your cell phone library intact.

Many have fared worse (me included).

[Algeria Horan]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2016 06:53:56 -0400, nospam wrote:

> *completely* missing the point.

Most cars do the same thing.
The only difference is the color and the badge.

I live in one of the most expensive areas of the country where nobody owns a
home less than million(s) of dollars.

They all have fancy cars.
They all do the same thing.

Only in your world, does a Mercedes do something drastically different that
is related to being a car, than does a BMW or a Lexus or an Infiniti.

I've owned half those cars myself. They all do the same thing.
Sure, they're different; but from the standpoint of a car, they do the same
thing.

They're just pretty.

Did you ever climb inside a military vehicle?
They're not pretty.

But they do the job.

> in your fucked up world, a yugo is equivalent to a rolls royce, a
> family sedan is equivalent to a two-seat roadster and a muscle car is
> equivalent to an econobox.

What's the job of a car?

In YOUR world, it's to look pretty.
Which is why you have iOS devices.

OK. That's YOUR idea of what a car does and what a phone does.
But you're extremely influenced by MARKETING - so you would think that way.

[Rod Speed]

Algeria Horan <algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote

> Most cars do the same thing.
> The only difference is the color and the badge.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of what a terminal
fuckwit/pathetic excuse for a troll you have always been.

[nospam]

In article <nvo8ro$10qi$6...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> > it's not an issue of authorization. syncing multiple more than two
> > devices without anything getting screwed up is *hard*. really hard.
> > it's also something very few people need.
>
> Except that everything but iTunes does it just fine.

wrong.

you've never even used itunes and keep criticizing the sync model. that
makes you a lying hypocrite.

[Algeria Horan]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2016 18:24:42 -0500, nospam wrote:

> you've never even used itunes and keep criticizing the sync model. that
> makes you a lying hypocrite.

When I last used iTunes, it wiped out your entire library without even a
warning.

Now it has a warning, but even so, that warning clearly isn't sufficient
(just google the huge number of libraries utterly destroyed by iTunes, which
doesn't even make a backup before destroying them).

The iTunes use model is bad news.

The OP realized this, and the OP decided NOT to use iTunes?
David Empson was who swayed the OP not to use iTunes; not me.

What does *that* tell you?

[nospam]

In article <nvqf31$vu9$3...@gioia.aioe.org>, Algeria Horan

<algeri...@algeria.horan.net> wrote:

>
> > you've never even used itunes and keep criticizing the sync model. that
> > makes you a lying hypocrite.
>
> When I last used iTunes, it wiped out your entire library without even a
> warning.

bullshit. stop lying.

itunes warned you. you just ignored it, just as you ignore everything
anyone says.

examples:
<https://cms-images.idgesg.net/images/article/2014/06/itunes-sync-warnin
g-100351846-large.jpg>
<https://machicolate.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/confirm-delete-songs.pn
g>
<https://machicolate.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/remove-from-library-fol
der.png>

you also ignored the warning (and it wasn't from itunes) when *you*
wiped out your android apps:

In article <nokqlu$1pud$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aard...@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> I lost all my stored APK files from my last two years due to this mistake
> on my part.
>
> Of course, it's *my* mistake.
> I pressed the buttons.
> Yet, I lost everything.
>
> So I just want to warn you not to make the same mistake.
>
> But, if you ever use ES File Explorer's "Cleaner", it pops up for only a
> split second "what" it's going to clean, and then comes up with a
> file-by-file menu that is completely confusing to me.
>
> It's so confusing that it's hard to even describe, but it's so dangerous to
> use, that I would *not* recommend *ever* using the GUI because one slight
> mistake, and *all* your files are wiped out.
>
> In my case, it wiped out all my stored APKs (hundreds of them) in one fell
> swoop, without even a second chance.


simply put: user error.

> Now it has a warning, but even so, that warning clearly isn't sufficient
> (just google the huge number of libraries utterly destroyed by iTunes, which
> doesn't even make a backup before destroying them).

more bullshit.

there always has been a warning in itunes.

itunes *always* asks for confirmation before deleting anything, and if
you click without reading, you have only yourself to blame.

> The iTunes use model is bad news.

you don't even know what that use model *is*. you couldn't explain it
properly even if you tried.

> The OP realized this, and the OP decided NOT to use iTunes?
> David Empson was who swayed the OP not to use iTunes; not me.

wrong.

> What does *that* tell you?

it tells me that you're a moron.

[Alan Browne]

The cloud does it fine. It stores the latest received (or the last one
"opened" to transmit). Whether that is the desired outcome of the file
owner is a different issue.

I face this from time to time. Say I update a file in Excel at home and
save it but leave the file open on that computer. Then at work I open
the same file and make more changes and save those. If I forget that
and save the still open file at home I would lose the updates I made in
the day at work.

With Dropbox this is not a huge issue, as I can get older versions of
the file. So the one saved earlier in the day is recoverable.

I don't see the means to do that with iCloud, however.

--
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
-Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.