On 9/27/17, 10:22 AM, in article oqgmoa$vdk$
1...@gioia.aioe.org, "harry newton"
<ha...@is.invalid> wrote:
> He who is Snit said on Tue, 26 Sep 2017 18:28:58 -0700:
>
>> The question is why do you feel so insecure about your preference for
>> Android.
>
> Warning: Adult conversation below.
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> You keep saying that I have a "preference" for one operating system or the
> other, when it's well known that I've used them all and they all have huge
> philosophical differences while the mobile devices have huge (but one-way)
> functional differences.
You repeatedly insult users of iPhones even as you claim to be one. You make
false claims such as insisting iOS has NO features Android does not. You
make up stories about why people prefer iPhones.
In short: you show deep insecurity with your preference for Android...
I will grant that below you do MUCH better... and I thank and commend you
for it.
> In general, of the "common consumer" operating systems...
> 1. Linux is a mess, but getting better year after yet (I started with DEC
> VMS, IBM Assesmbly language, Fortran before 77, etc.) so I've been through
> Linux from Unix to SunOS to Solaris, etc., to Ubuntu, which is what I
> mostly use now. While I use Ubuntu for standards reason, I have uses CentOS
> and Redhat for industry reasons also. Same thing (yum versus apt-get), only
> a little different (consumer apps are lacking on Redhat systems). Overall,
> Linux gives us the most power at the ever-lessening cost of being less
> "standard" than Windows when problems arise.
To some extent I agree... desktop Linux is a bit of a mess. With giving the
most "power", it depends on what you mean by that. In some ways it does...
in other ways it is not. For example, if you are working with things best
done in the command line I think it is clear it is second to none (at least
when compared to Windows and macOS). When talking about other things,
though, it is not: this can include "advanced" things such as high end image
manipulation or screen-casting with the use of OS/GPU meta-data, to the
mundane such as rotating images in a word processor or having more efficient
PDF annotation workflows. The "mundane" examples I give there are possible
on Linux, but the competition makes them easier (and thus it is a "more
powerful" tool).
> 2. Windows gives me the most flexibility in that most problems are well
> known so I don't have to be a pioneer when issues arise. The best thing
> about Windows is that we've lived with it since DOS days so we're the most
> familiar with it. Really, the best thing about Windows is that it runs MS
> Office better than anything out there (see Mac below for example).
I tend to prefer macOS for most things, but sure, MS Office runs better on
Windows. No argument there.
> It just does. Funny that. I wonder if MS has anything to do with that. One
> beauty of Windows is that you can organize your desktop the way you want it to
> be, which was made slightly harder in Windows 10, but which still exists.
>
> 3. Mac OS I only use when I have to because of its arbitrary restrictions,
> for example, MS Office on the Mac won't embed fonts and worse, won't even
> respect Windows-embedded fonts or where the Mac doesn't run the common SSH
> OpenVPN like every other platform does, but you can find Tunnelblick
> freeware so it's just the same, in the end, only different.
Linux does not run MS Office at all (well, natively anyway... WINE is not
really going to cut it).
> Lots of things are different on the Mac just for differences sake (like the
> menu bar separates from the program) but you can get used to it all if you
> really want to use the Mac. The folks who love the Mac are those who both used
> it for a long time (as with Windows lovers) and who do all the
> desktop-publishing stuff (which I don't do).
I also like it for flexibility of work flows and customization. I can give
you some examples from "tasks" or "challenges" I and others have offered in
COLA (and perhaps elsewhere):
* From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, online map,
whatever) save and email a PDF version with annotations. Now I know this
can be done on Linux; save, open, annotate, email. Just curious to see
how you people would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow
would be. A couple ways I might: <
https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.
* Make a screencast with cursor replacement / resizing (post
production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area highlighting.
For me these were done just to show something else:
<
https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked
these because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before
coming up with the task.
* From an image of a forest, automate creation of lines showing borders of
where the trees are. Example of what I was able to do here:
<
http://imgur.com/a/xdOpx>. No solution was shown for Linux.
* Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the
HTML validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to
the archive page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same,
of course):
<
http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.
* Starting with a spreadsheet 3D chart, have it be animated, including
with the top range expanding as needed and a color change with the
bar. More details here: <
http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/bar512>
(also shows Owl's solution). Marek tried but gave up and tried on a
competing system. And still failed.
* Make a video with an image appears to stay still even as the video
bounces some, and have the image disappear in a come-and-go fashion
sort of like seen on Doctor Who, and add multiple layers of sound. My
end result here: <
https://youtu.be/jYqMGjGiqHg>.
There are actually quite a few more than those... but I fear that is already
too many. :)
> 4. iOS I use because people gave me mobile equipment and I buy mobile
> phones as gifts every year, and I have jailbroken an iOS device to use
> Cydia, so I'm familiar that everything common on iOS is fine but any time
> you want to go off road on iOS, basically Apple restricts what you can do.
> As you already know, I can list a dozen functions that iOS can't do that
> *every* other platform does out of hand, so let's not go there other than
> to agree that iOS is less functional than every other platform is (because
> Apple limits what it can do.
Your original claim was that iOS cannot do ANYTHING Android cannot. That was
shown to be false. As far as a count of functions I am not really
interested... I am more interested in what platform handles the functions I
want in the best way. On a more general look it would be what could
reasonably be expected that most people want. I think iOS does quite well
there, though some of your examples may be counter to it and I can add
others -- for example the way you can see and change the different volume
levels on Android is a lot easier. But Android also has inconsistencies like
sometimes having a screen-based back button and sometimes requiring you hit
the hardware back button.
> Suffice to say that I first easily do things on Android (like list all my apps
> to an editable file) and then when I find that iOS can't do it all by itself,
> I figure out how (it requires a separate computer plus iTunes to do something
> as simple as that). Most of the time the iOS device just can't do it (like
> automatic phone recording, or wifi signal strength over time or listing the
> "real" unique cell tower ID in any current iOS system or even having an app
> drawer app capability or or loading a new launcher or just renaming a program
> icon for heaven's sake, or torrenting, or something as simple as locking the
> rotation by application, or just organizing the icons on the desktop the way
> you want them organized).
I have no problem with you noting things Android does that iOS does not...
or noting where Android does it better. When you start insulting others with
a different preference than yours, though, you make yourself a fool. Here, I
am happy to see, you are doing much better.
> 5. Android is a mess. It's a royal mess. The version differences are a
> mess. The update strategy is a mess. The default spyware situation is a
> mess. The whole privacy thing is a mess. But ... Android is the most
> powerful and most flexible consumer mobile phone platform out there, bar
> none. It just does everything that you want it to do. Basically, it does
> what Linux does, which is everything, at the cost of complexity for some
> things.
I would disagree that it does everything I want it to do, and have given you
examples.
> As just one tiny simple powerful example, here's my well-organized desktop
> on my five-year old Android device where each icon is designed to be where
> it is for single-handled (left-hand in fact) operation and where *all* my
> Android devices (no matter that operating system version) are set up the
> same way for consistency:
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> Try to do something as trivial as organizing a desktop the way you want it
> organized on any iOS device, even the latest OS or any future OS - and you
> will "just give up" which is what iOS users are forced to do every day all
> day forever - since the lack of functionality on iOS devices is obvious to
> anyone who understands what Apple disallows the user from doing that no
> other OS disallows (all in the purported guise of "feeling" safe).
Now show how you set that up with a video showing the movement onscreen, the
sounds of the computer, and your voice as you want me through it.
Oh.
At least as far as I know Android does not allow that. But, sure, there are
things Android allows that iOS does not.
And since you compared apps, above (MS Office) compare the "same" apps on
iOS and Android. In general the apps on iOS do more and are faster.
> Basically, iOS is crippled in what it can do, not by the hardware, but by
> Apple. Perhaps the huge loss in functionality is to make people *feel*
> safer, which it may do, but how is someone safer by not being able to
> something as simple as organizing their desktop the way they want it
> organized?
I do not think you are using the word "safer" in a standard way here. Can
you explain?
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