Redmond Pie:Google Nexus One is Just Another Droid
Google Stunned by Android Killer!
Redmond Pie
See the video and judge it for yourself on whether or not this really
was the iPhone killer you were waiting for!
Google is expected to unveil Nexus One in the...
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Larry
news:656f7969-1bc6-4bee...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
> Google is expected to unveil Nexus One in the...
>
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/02/exclusive-google-nexus-one-hands-on-
video-and-first-impressio/
"Google-sold device runs Android 2.1 atop a 1GHz Snapdragon CPU, a 3.7-
inch, 480 x 800 display, has 512MB of ROM, 512MB of RAM, and a 4GB microSD
card (expandable to 32GB). The phone is a T-Mobile device (meaning no 3G
if you want to take it to AT&T), and includes the standard modern
additions of a light sensor, proximity sensor, and accelerometer. The
Nexus One has a 5 megapixel camera with LED flash, and we have to say so
far the pictures it snaps look pretty decent (and the camera software is
much faster than the same component on the Droid). The phone is incredibly
thin and sleek -- a little thinner than the iPhone -- but it has pretty
familiar HTC-style industrial design."
Geez, Vic! You're RIGHT! It's no iPhone!
800 pixels wide! The display is the same as my Nokia Linux tablets!
5MP camera with flash!
microSD card slot that comes with 4GB of REMOVABLE storage!
Holy Crap! It has a REAL USB port! You can plug it right in with no
dongles!
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/23/exclusive-nexus-one-full-specs-
detailed-invite-only-retail-sal/
Over here it say you can even plug your fav headphones right into it:
3.5mm, 4 conductor, stereo headset jack (4th pin must be for headset mic)
2nd mic for active noise cancellation
Audio decoders
MP3 mono/stereo 8-320Kbps and VBR
Midi SMF (Type 0 and 1), DLS Ver 1 and 2, XMF/Mobile
XMF, RTTTL/RTX, OTA, iMelody (whatever good they are..??)
OGG Vorbis
WAVE
Images
jpeg encode/decode
GIF
PNG
BMP
H263
Video
MPEG-4 SP
H.264 AVC
Video encoders
H.263
MPEG-4 SP
Crap...no FLAC, no Xvid, No DivX, No WMx, No Realplayer, same old
sellphone crap missing the most important video/audio codecs....
Removeable 1400 mAH battery!
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR but no hint of which protocols activated.
Haulin Ass WIFI! 802.11 a/b/g/n If it will network with n that'll be
great!
3.7" WVGA AMOLED screen...800 x 480 pixels but no mention of its
touchscreen resolution yet. I don't see a stylus, probably capacitive.
Nice faster processor if it doesn't eat the battery with a 16GB microSDHC
plugged in.
Shh....no more cellcrap now! Woz is on Engadget!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/01/a-new-years-gift-to-engadget-readers-3-
minutes-of-woz/
Don't miss Woz and Mrs. Woz in the comments....
The coolest video on the internet.....Take a ride with WOZ!
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> "Google Stunned by Android Killer!" <vic.h...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:656f7969-1bc6-4bee...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Google is expected to unveil Nexus One in the...
>>
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/02/exclusive-google-nexus-one-hands-on-
> video-and-first-impressio/
>
> "Google-sold device runs Android 2.1 atop a 1GHz Snapdragon CPU, a 3.7-
> inch, 480 x 800 display, has 512MB of ROM, 512MB of RAM, and a 4GB microSD
> card (expandable to 32GB). The phone is a T-Mobile device (meaning no 3G
> if you want to take it to AT&T), and includes the standard modern
> additions of a light sensor, proximity sensor, and accelerometer. The
> Nexus One has a 5 megapixel camera with LED flash, and we have to say so
> far the pictures it snaps look pretty decent (and the camera software is
> much faster than the same component on the Droid). The phone is incredibly
> thin and sleek -- a little thinner than the iPhone -- but it has pretty
> familiar HTC-style industrial design."
>
> Geez, Vic! You're RIGHT! It's no iPhone!
>
> 800 pixels wide! The display is the same as my Nokia Linux tablets!
>
> 5MP camera with flash!
>
> microSD card slot that comes with 4GB of REMOVABLE storage!
>
> Holy Crap! It has a REAL USB port! You can plug it right in with no
> dongles!
No shit, Maybe I should have waited and got this and kept my ATT
service, but at my point after all the years waiting and getting
ass-pounded by Apple, I was ready to take the first offering that was as
good as the iPhone and did NOT require iTunes.
--
.
"A smorgasbord of tomfoolery" - L0afy
Larry
$1...@posting2.glorb.com:
> and did NOT require iTunes.
>
I just added a few hundred new songs to a 2GB microSD for my MotoROKR Z6m
MP3 player through the Motorola S9HD Bluetooth stereo headset. I moved a
whole directory over there with Windows Explorer and just walked off.
Plugged the tiny chip into the phone and had a great morning cruising the
mall with the new music buzzing away in my ears.
It didn't require iTunes, either....so easy.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> It didn't require iTunes, either....so easy.
even easier in itunes.
George Kerby
On 1/4/10 1:20 PM, in article Xns9CF691EE262...@74.209.131.13,
"Larry" <no...@home.com> wrote:
That's not all that's buzzing in your head, Lar!
George Kerby
On 1/4/10 1:59 PM, in article 040120101159086107%nos...@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Shhhhh! Larry is the authority in all things digital and musical. Take those
earphones, for example. Quite the status symbol, those Moto headsets. Ol'
Lar is SUCH a name-dropper!!!
Ness-Net
"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:040120101159086107%nos...@nospam.invalid...
How??? What is easier than a simple drag / drop?
(And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
nospam
<richard...@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
> >> It didn't require iTunes, either....so easy.
> >
> > even easier in itunes.
>
> How??? What is easier than a simple drag / drop?
drop it in a dock and either click the sync button or let it happen
automatically.
> (And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
they don't.
Richard B. Gilbert
How can you know that?
nospam
Gilbert <rgilb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> (And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
> >
> > they don't.
>
> How can you know that?
are you serious? what makes you think they do? why would apple even
care what songs you have? do you have any evidence at all that they are
tracking what you do?
the *only* times apple knows what songs you have is if you buy those
songs from them, as would any store where you don't pay cash, or if you
enable the genius feature which looks at your music collection to make
recommendations, and that data is sent anonymously and aggregated. it
doesn't track personal data.
the genius feature is optional, so leave it off, and you can buy songs
from someplace where you can pay cash and be totally anonymous. be sure
to wear a ski mask so you aren't captured on the security cameras, you
never know who may be watching and you can't be too careful.
and if that isn't enough, you can sync without any internet connection
whatsoever. but nevertheless, ludicrous conspiracy theories abound.
Larry
news:CK2dnQsTbM6gDN_W...@giganews.com:
> How??? What is easier than a simple drag / drop?
> (And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
>
>
COPY G:\JAZZ\*.MP3 I:\JAZZ [RETURN]
Faster, too!
DOS hauls ass on dual 3.2Ghz Xeons hooked to 15,000 RPM SCSI RAID drives
with big cache cards....(c;] Songs scroll by too fast for scanning video
to display filenames!
Too bad writing to microSDHC is so slow....(sigh)
What I need is a MP3 player with a Gigabit Ethernet port!.....(c;]
"We got an app for that!"
....old Dell Poweredge 2600 monster heating up my closet....(c;]
Only draws about 6A, total, off two 115VAC circuits....redundantly.
Checkin' the email server no longer makes the DivX movies balk. Playin'
the movie only consumes about 1.5% of CPU time!
Doesn't your MAC sound like a Boeing 787 on a takeoff roll??....hee hee.
Google's Epic Fail: It is just another Droid!
>
> > even easier in itunes.
>
> How??? What is easier than a simple drag / drop?
> (And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
You would rather trade having GOOGLE not only looking over your
shoulder but recording everything you do. That hasn't escaped the
attention of Home Land Security and now BIG GOVERNMENT knows all yuo
do too courtesy of Google.
Somehow that doesn't compare to Apple in my book!
Larry
nos...@nospam.invalid:
Holy shit! Apple's are so smart they even select which songs you want by
mental telepathy!
....either that or they won't store the 4.8M songs mine does....
Stop by, we'll "sync" it all and see if we can get iPhone to explode!
Google's Epic Fail: It is just another Droid!
> In article <3e-dnWn_N-LmAN_WnZ2dnUVZ_s9i4...@giganews.com>, Richard B.
Your talking to a moron. He ignores that Google has made no secret
that they are spying on users of their software and products. You
belong to Google if you own a Droid as it is everything you do while
mobile they have a record of.
FOR INSTANCE: If you do a search for certain words guess whose watch
list you suddenly appear on courtesy of Google?
That has been commented on by the national news services.
The USA will ban an iPhone before they ever ban an Android phone.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> COPY G:\JAZZ\*.MP3 I:\JAZZ [RETURN]
>
> Faster, too!
you've timed it? how much faster is it?
oh right, you haven't.
how fast can you type that without any typos, and what if it's not in a
single folder?
> DOS hauls ass on dual 3.2Ghz Xeons hooked to 15,000 RPM SCSI RAID drives
> with big cache cards....(c;] Songs scroll by too fast for scanning video
> to display filenames!
dos? you actually use dos? why does that not surprise me.
> Too bad writing to microSDHC is so slow....(sigh)
but i thought it 'hauls ass'.
guess what, the flash in an ipod is subject to the same physical
limitations as your micro sdhc card.
> What I need is a MP3 player with a Gigabit Ethernet port!.....(c;]
> "We got an app for that!"
but flash memory is still slow, so that would be stupid.
> ....old Dell Poweredge 2600 monster heating up my closet....(c;]
maybe it will ignite and self destruct and we can be spared of your
inane rants.
> Only draws about 6A, total, off two 115VAC circuits....redundantly.
that's a plus?
> Checkin' the email server no longer makes the DivX movies balk. Playin'
> the movie only consumes about 1.5% of CPU time!
>
> Doesn't your MAC sound like a Boeing 787 on a takeoff roll??....hee hee.
no. the fan is inaudible. some macs don't even *have* fans.
Larry
nos...@nospam.invalid:
>> Only draws about 6A, total, off two 115VAC circuits....redundantly.
>
> that's a plus?
>
>
It was last night at 19F outside....
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> Holy shit! Apple's are so smart they even select which songs you want by
> mental telepathy!
how the fuck does apple select what songs someone wants to hear?
seriously, you really need to adjust your medication dosage because you
are hallucinating.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> >> Only draws about 6A, total, off two 115VAC circuits....redundantly.
> >
> > that's a plus?
>
> It was last night at 19F outside....
i'm so sorry.
i did not realize you were homeless and living outside in an alley.
Richard B. Gilbert
> In article <3e-dnWn_N-LmAN_W...@giganews.com>, Richard B.
> Gilbert <rgilb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>> (And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
>>> they don't.
>> How can you know that?
>
> are you serious? what makes you think they do? why would apple even
> care what songs you have? do you have any evidence at all that they are
> tracking what you do?
>
I don't see how you can know that! I agree that it's unlikely but
that's not the same thing as "they don't"!
Larry
news:040120101927159363%nos...@nospam.invalid:
it SAID all you did was to "sync", like the old Palm Pilot, and the music
would be transferred. Of course, you can't DO that because there's more
music on the monster mainframe than the iPhoney can store, so a little
reality check tells me you have to SELECT, somehow, WHICH 3200 songs to
transfer out of the available massive song directories on the mainframe.
Therein, it becomes something much more serious than just "syncing", I
suppose.
Larry
news:yvudneYi4ZRoKd_W...@giganews.com:
RIAA would like nothing better than to have a spyware installed that would
send a central server (cloud, anyone?)(mobile me?) a complete list of the
music files on all your computing devices......for adjudication?
Prosecution? Oh, they stopped that, I remember.
I'd bet RIAA would pay Apple, Inc., big money for that "feature"!
nospam
Gilbert <rgilb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> You made a flat statement: "they don't".
yes i did.
> I don't see how you can know that! I agree that it's unlikely but
> that's not the same thing as "they don't"!
i'll ask again, what evidence do you have that they do?
what about other companies watching what you do, and there *is*
evidence that others do which is why there are utilities to trap and
block such requests.
the simple fact that someone can sync an ipod without *any* internet
connection is proof there's no data being sent, unless you believe
apple can read your hard drive from afar.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> it SAID all you did was to "sync", like the old Palm Pilot, and the music
> would be transferred. Of course, you can't DO that because there's more
> music on the monster mainframe than the iPhoney can store, so a little
> reality check tells me you have to SELECT, somehow, WHICH 3200 songs to
> transfer out of the available massive song directories on the mainframe.
pick them manually or let any number of smart playlists automatically
pick music recently added, songs that haven't been played in a while or
any other criteria *you* decide. and once the smart playlists are set
up, it's just a click (or automatic if desired).
> Therein, it becomes something much more serious than just "syncing", I
> suppose.
your huge music collection won't fit on that tiny 2 gig flash card
either, which means you too have to do more than just type a line or
two of dos (!) commands, presumably after browsing your folders trying
to figure out what music to copy and what the fewest keystrokes to use
that will include all of it and exclude what you don't want.
you are such a hypocrite.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> RIAA would like nothing better than to have a spyware installed that would
> send a central server (cloud, anyone?)(mobile me?) a complete list of the
> music files on all your computing devices......for adjudication?
> Prosecution? Oh, they stopped that, I remember.
the riaa doesn't care what you listen to, just that you legitimately
paid for it. therefore, they monitor the file sharing networks, not
itunes, winamp, etc.
> I'd bet RIAA would pay Apple, Inc., big money for that "feature"!
i bet they wouldn't.
how much tin foil is left?
Richard B. Gilbert
How does Amazon know what books I might like to read? They know me!
They know which books I have purchased over the years. They can make a
good guess. I don't see what would keep anybody from keeping a database
that would tell them a customer's preferences in books, music, clothing,
food, or anything else.
Do you by any chance have a plastic card provided by your supermarket
with a bar code on it? They swipe your card every time you by something?
They know what you bought and when and can make use of that information
to serve you better by stocking things you want when you want them.
They may even give you a discount when you present that card to ensure
that you carry and use it.
nospam
Gilbert <rgilb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> How does Amazon know what books I might like to read? They know me!
> They know which books I have purchased over the years. They can make a
> good guess. I don't see what would keep anybody from keeping a database
> that would tell them a customer's preferences in books, music, clothing,
> food, or anything else.
there's *only* a database of purchases if you purchased something.
using itunes does *not* require buying music from apple. period.
where do people come up with this rubbish? what do you think people did
with itunes before there was a music store?
buy your music *elsewhere* and pay cash. nobody will know, other than
the cashier who might recognize you or the security cameras which video
taped you.
> Do you by any chance have a plastic card provided by your supermarket
> with a bar code on it? They swipe your card every time you by something?
>
> They know what you bought and when and can make use of that information
> to serve you better by stocking things you want when you want them.
> They may even give you a discount when you present that card to ensure
> that you carry and use it.
that is completely *optional*. if you don't want the market tracking
your buying habits, don't use the card. pay cash too.
nospam
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> I can load any track I want onto my iPhone without Apple ever knowing about
> it. I can do it without any internet connection at all. I can do it from
> a CD, a vinyl record, a cassette tape, an 8-track, a 4-track, or a
> reel-to-reel tape.
how did you manage to use 8-tracks ? where did you find a player? what
about wire recorders and wax cylinders? :)
Todd Allcock
> > Of course, you can't DO that because there's more
> > music on the monster mainframe than the iPhoney can store, so a
little
> > reality check tells me you have to SELECT, somehow, WHICH 3200 songs
to
> > transfer out of the available massive song directories on the
mainframe.
>
Which is what Larry is doing, without 20+ MB of extra software handling a
simple file transfer. (I realize iTunes brings more to the table than
that, but it's overkill for someone manually managing music in a folder
structure like Larry.)
> or let any number of smart playlists automatically
> pick music recently added, songs that haven't been played in a while or
> any other criteria *you* decide. and once the smart playlists are set
> up, it's just a click (or automatic if desired).
The biggest problem I've had, is that my wife has different tastes in
music than I, but with a small overlap, so any automatic syncing I set up
invariably let some of "my" stuff sneak onto her iPhone.
Unfortunately, however, manual sync on the iPhone is just a f---ing mess,
since iTunes doesn't "remember" what you manually add (it simply reads
what's on the device at the moment.) This means everytime you update
the OS, which wipes all media, you've no way to restore it automatically,
since iTunes didn't bother keeping track of manually managed media in
those wonderful backups it does. You get to manually add everything
album by album, file by file, yet again, after each upgrade.
My recent adventures in wiping the phone was a result of trying to wean
myself off of manual management to the "sync only checked" media option
(which, IMO, despite the "Applespeak" distinction is still manual
management since I manually select the checkboxes!) At least this way,
iTunes will now have a roadmap to restore the device's media after an
upgrade.
> > Therein, it becomes something much more serious than just "syncing",
I
> > suppose.
>
> your huge music collection won't fit on that tiny 2 gig flash card
> either, which means you too have to do more than just type a line or
> two of dos (!) commands, presumably after browsing your folders trying
> to figure out what music to copy and what the fewest keystrokes to use
> that will include all of it and exclude what you don't want.
True, but that's just as easy in any GUI File Manager as it is in a
redundant management program like iTunes, WMP, Zune, etc.
Easier, in fact, because you can use multiple windows to see what's on
the compute and the player at a single glance. When manually managing
media in iTunes, I was constantly clicking between "Library" and "iPhone"
to see what had already been added and what still needed to be added.
My eventual solution was to keep two separate "his" and "hers" music
folders on our main computer- one managed by iTunes, and one managed by
WMP/Zune (which I mostly use for the kids' Zunes and PlaysForSure players-
I simply grab whatever I want manually like Larry does via USB, WiFi, or
BT, then tap "manage library" on my phone and let it sort whatever I've
added by artist, album, genre, etc.)
In Larry's case (or anyone who uses a player with removable storage) he
can just keep adding more cards, rather than constantly mucking with what
media to shoehorn into the same fixed amount of internal flash on a daily
basis. Essentially a larger version of the "Walkman" paradigm, except
each "cassette" can hold an entire artist's discography, or an entire
genre of one's collection. For the old fogeys like Larry and I, that's
more "intuitive" than "Genius" playlists. If I want to hear The Beatles'
Rubber Soul, I play Rubber Soul. If I want to hear random music of a
certain style, I play broadcast or intenet radio! ;)
(And, while I'm ranting, someday, someone will have to explain the point
of song "ratings" to me. WTF would I keep 1 or 2 star music around?
When would I ever wake up and say "today I only want to hear crap! Let
me sync a smart playlist comprised entirely of all my one- and two-star
songs!" The "delete" function is essentially a "pass/fail" ratings
system!)
> you are such a hypocrite.
He's been pretty consistant about prefering a manual folder-based music
management system. I have nothing against a music manager program as
long as I'm free to only use it when I want to.
nospam
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> > pick them manually...
>
> Which is what Larry is doing, without 20+ MB of extra software handling a
> simple file transfer. (I realize iTunes brings more to the table than
> that, but it's overkill for someone manually managing music in a folder
> structure like Larry.)
that's exactly it. itunes brings more to the table, and that's what
most people want. syncing is easier than futzing with folders and files
and trying to keep track of which songs go into what folders. smart
playlists make it even easier.
> The biggest problem I've had, is that my wife has different tastes in
> music than I, but with a small overlap, so any automatic syncing I set up
> invariably let some of "my" stuff sneak onto her iPhone.
why? can't you set it up to exclude the stuff she doesn't like?
> Unfortunately, however, manual sync on the iPhone is just a f---ing mess,
> since iTunes doesn't "remember" what you manually add (it simply reads
> what's on the device at the moment.) This means everytime you update
> the OS, which wipes all media,
update which os? the iphone or the computer? if you update the iphone's
os, you are basically restoring it to a new iphone, but with a newer
firmware version. the process is followed by a sync which will put
everything back the way it was prior to the upgrade.
> you've no way to restore it automatically,
> since iTunes didn't bother keeping track of manually managed media in
> those wonderful backups it does. You get to manually add everything
> album by album, file by file, yet again, after each upgrade.
well there is a reason why they call it manual :) make a playlist with
what you want on the iphone and drag the contents of that to the phone.
or, have itunes sync just that one playlist. you can even make
playlists that are subsets of the master 'iphone playlist'.
> My recent adventures in wiping the phone was a result of trying to wean
> myself off of manual management to the "sync only checked" media option
> (which, IMO, despite the "Applespeak" distinction is still manual
> management since I manually select the checkboxes!) At least this way,
> iTunes will now have a roadmap to restore the device's media after an
> upgrade.
all that sync only checked means is that you can disable some songs on
the fly but keep them in various playlists on the computer.
> > your huge music collection won't fit on that tiny 2 gig flash card
> > either, which means you too have to do more than just type a line or
> > two of dos (!) commands, presumably after browsing your folders trying
> > to figure out what music to copy and what the fewest keystrokes to use
> > that will include all of it and exclude what you don't want.
>
> True, but that's just as easy in any GUI File Manager as it is in a
> redundant management program like iTunes, WMP, Zune, etc.
actually it isn't just as easy because itunes searching is far more
flexible. you can search on various tags and create fancy queries, as
opposed to just searching on the name or folder. also, the file names
often end up being huge with the artist/album/genre/track all
concatenated into one long name so you can search on it.
> Easier, in fact, because you can use multiple windows to see what's on
> the compute and the player at a single glance. When manually managing
> media in iTunes, I was constantly clicking between "Library" and "iPhone"
> to see what had already been added and what still needed to be added.
itunes supports multiple windows. double-click a playlist. you can also
make a smart playlist that shows what *isn't* in another playlist,
i.e., stuff not on the iphone.
> My eventual solution was to keep two separate "his" and "hers" music
> folders on our main computer- one managed by iTunes, and one managed by
> WMP/Zune (which I mostly use for the kids' Zunes and PlaysForSure players-
> I simply grab whatever I want manually like Larry does via USB, WiFi, or
> BT, then tap "manage library" on my phone and let it sort whatever I've
> added by artist, album, genre, etc.)
different devices get their own library of music, but obviously a zune
or other device will need something else.
> In Larry's case (or anyone who uses a player with removable storage) he
> can just keep adding more cards, rather than constantly mucking with what
> media to shoehorn into the same fixed amount of internal flash on a daily
> basis. Essentially a larger version of the "Walkman" paradigm, except
> each "cassette" can hold an entire artist's discography, or an entire
> genre of one's collection. For the old fogeys like Larry and I, that's
> more "intuitive" than "Genius" playlists. If I want to hear The Beatles'
> Rubber Soul, I play Rubber Soul. If I want to hear random music of a
> certain style, I play broadcast or intenet radio! ;)
with cards, you would need to remember which song is on which card. or
do people actually write on the label in super-tiny print what the
various songs are? :)
it's a *lot* easier to have everything in one device at one time
instead of a pocket full of cards and shuffling among them.
> (And, while I'm ranting, someday, someone will have to explain the point
> of song "ratings" to me. WTF would I keep 1 or 2 star music around?
that's the whole point right there. rate your songs and when you sync,
only 3 star or higher will be copied (or whatever star level). it's a
quick way to prune down large libraries.
if you have a *lot* of music, set it to 4 star or better. if you are
listening to a song on the ipod and you decide it's really not that
great, rate it a 2 (or 1) and next time you sync, it disappears,
replaced with something else that has a higher rating. sometimes it's
nice to have a mix of various ratings. even lowly rated songs are good
to hear once in a while.
> When would I ever wake up and say "today I only want to hear crap! Let
> me sync a smart playlist comprised entirely of all my one- and two-star
> songs!" The "delete" function is essentially a "pass/fail" ratings
> system!)
it's not likely you'd want to do that.
> > you are such a hypocrite.
>
> He's been pretty consistant about prefering a manual folder-based music
> management system. I have nothing against a music manager program as
> long as I'm free to only use it when I want to.
the only thing about which he's been consistent is hating apple for
doing exactly the same things other companies do.
Google's Epic Fail: It is just another Droid!
Todd for a computer geek you really need to learn more about Apple's
Smart Playlists in iTunes and how to use them properly. All they are
is an extensive set of simple programing rules that manipulate the
media you pocess.
You can even create smart playlists of other playlists, think about
it.
That is what dictates what files are synced to your iPhone, iPod Touch
etc. If you are really smart you can have multiple different users
with their iTunes accounts sharing synchronized data without
duplicating it on your home network so different devices can be
programed to sync differently. This is important when your total
iTunes data exceeds 100 GB or more.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
> In article <Xns9CF691EE262...@74.209.131.13>, Larry
> <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> It didn't require iTunes, either....so easy.
>
> even easier in itunes.
In who's opinion? In mine it's far easier to plug in my phone, drag
and drop and go. And when I do drag and drop, it does not complain about
what I am adding and I use add whatever I want as a ring tone. I do not
have to buy a song, AND a ring tone separate, and if I already have a
song I can use it as a ring tone rather than having to buy a separate
ring tone of the song I already have. If I run out of spce I cna change
the card. In fact, I can change the card just because if I want to. I
reiterate, if you like iTunes great. use it. *I* do not, I prefer to do
what I want, when and how I want to do it.
--
.
"A smorgasbord of tomfoolery" - L0afy
WindsorFox<[SS]>
>
>>>> It didn't require iTunes, either....so easy.
>>> even easier in itunes.
>
> drop it in a dock and either click the sync button or let it happen
> automatically.
>
>
> they don't.
Of course they do, that's why you have to have separate ring tones,
you need to pay for both.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
> In article <3e-dnWn_N-LmAN_W...@giganews.com>, Richard B.
> Gilbert <rgilb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>> (And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
>>> they don't.
>> How can you know that?
>
> are you serious? what makes you think they do? why would apple even
> care what songs you have? do you have any evidence at all that they are
> tracking what you do?
Totally, what makes you think they don't? DRM they want to make
sure you paid them for that music you listen to just like Sony. In fact
if Sony and the RIAA had their choice you pay per play.
>
> the *only* times apple knows what songs you have is if you buy those
> songs from them, as would any store where you don't pay cash, or if you
> enable the genius feature which looks at your music collection to make
> recommendations, and that data is sent anonymously and aggregated. it
> doesn't track personal data.
That sure doesn't stop them from knowing what's there now, then, in
the future and where it goes from your iPhone. If you want to copy a
particular song from your iPhone that you loaded at home to your office,
it keeps track of that. Can you even sync with 2 computers on a regular
basis?
>
> the genius feature is optional, so leave it off, and you can buy songs
> from someplace where you can pay cash and be totally anonymous. be sure
> to wear a ski mask so you aren't captured on the security cameras, you
> never know who may be watching and you can't be too careful.
>
> and if that isn't enough, you can sync without any internet connection
> whatsoever. but nevertheless, ludicrous conspiracy theories abound.
That won't help you update. Which brings up all the crap that iTunes
forces you to install with it and all the "recommended" software...
WindsorFox<[SS]>
Probably so, but at least it's open sourced and uses no proprietary
software/rules.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
I'd bet they would and I would not suspect Google any less, but I
use my phone very little as an MP3 player. The player I do use works
like an external drive.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
> Which is what Larry is doing, without 20+ MB of extra software handling a
> simple file transfer. (I realize iTunes brings more to the table than
> that, but it's overkill for someone manually managing music in a folder
> structure like Larry.)
>
>
>> or let any number of smart playlists automatically
>> pick music recently added, songs that haven't been played in a while or
>> any other criteria *you* decide. and once the smart playlists are set
>> up, it's just a click (or automatic if desired).
>
>
> The biggest problem I've had, is that my wife has different tastes in
> music than I, but with a small overlap, so any automatic syncing I set up
> invariably let some of "my" stuff sneak onto her iPhone.
>
Sometimes a wife needs a little Pantera surprise about mid-day....
Google's Epic Fail: It is just another Droid!
wrote:
>
> Probably so, but at least it's open sourced and uses no proprietary
> software/rules.
>
> --
Its hard to carry on a conversation like that with someone who is
totally clueless.
You have no real idea of what your talking about but are merely
parroting stupid 'geek speak' and thinking as opposed to smart geek
speak.
BTW you are wrong.
Why not subscribe to SlashDot.com for awhile and then come back?
nospam
<windsor.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > even easier in itunes.
>
> In who's opinion?
most people's opinion. the ipod has 70+% market share and the iphone
satisfaction rate is 99%. that didn't happen because itunes is hard to
use, clumsy, buggy, etc.
> In mine it's far easier to plug in my phone, drag
> and drop and go.
as opposed to plug in and have it happen automatically? strange
definition of easier. and if you are really bent on drag/drop you can
still do that too in itunes.
> And when I do drag and drop, it does not complain about
> what I am adding and I use add whatever I want as a ring tone.
itunes doesn't care what music you add to it or copy to the device.
itunes is not perfect but when you fabricate problems, you lose all
credibility.
> I do not
> have to buy a song, AND a ring tone separate, and if I already have a
> song I can use it as a ring tone rather than having to buy a separate
> ring tone of the song I already have.
that's a separate issue and there's even a court decision about it. the
music industry claims that a ring tone is a separate performance and
therefore must be charged as a separate purchase. complain to the riaa.
nevertheless, creating a ring tone from a song can be done, so this too
is a moot point.
> If I run out of spce I cna change
> the card. In fact, I can change the card just because if I want to. I
> reiterate, if you like iTunes great. use it. *I* do not, I prefer to do
> what I want, when and how I want to do it.
that's fine. buy something that doesn't use itunes. the zune is 85th on
the amazon best seller list, maybe you can help it reach 84th place. :)
nospam
<windsor.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> (And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
> >
> > they don't.
>
> Of course they do, that's why you have to have separate ring tones,
> you need to pay for both.
that has absolutely nothing to do with looking over anyone's shoulder.
nospam
<windsor.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> (And not having Apple looking over my shoulder?)
> >>> they don't.
> >> How can you know that?
> >
> > are you serious? what makes you think they do? why would apple even
> > care what songs you have? do you have any evidence at all that they are
> > tracking what you do?
>
> Totally, what makes you think they don't?
i've already explained why.
> DRM they want to make
> sure you paid them for that music you listen to just like Sony.
the itunes store does not have drm and there's no requirement that
anyone get music from the itunes store in the first place. drm is
irrelevant.
> In fact if Sony and the RIAA had their choice you pay per play.
maybe so, but that has nothing to do with apple, so it doesn't matter
what they want.
> > the *only* times apple knows what songs you have is if you buy those
> > songs from them, as would any store where you don't pay cash, or if you
> > enable the genius feature which looks at your music collection to make
> > recommendations, and that data is sent anonymously and aggregated. it
> > doesn't track personal data.
>
> That sure doesn't stop them from knowing what's there now, then, in
> the future and where it goes from your iPhone.
of course it does. how can apple know what music someone has if they
bought it someplace other than apple and disabled genius (which is
anonymous anyway but conspiracy theories abound)?
more importantly, why would apple (or anyone) care? what do you think
they *do* with this data that they supposedly get?
> If you want to copy a
> particular song from your iPhone that you loaded at home to your office,
> it keeps track of that.
copying off the ipod/iphone is not supported as a simple protection
against massive copying of music. it's not hard to get around but apple
can say 'we block it' and the record companies are happy. plus, if you
legitimately own the music, there is no need to copy it off the device
at all.
> Can you even sync with 2 computers on a regular basis?
that can be done, although it's harder with an iphone than an ipod for
some reason.
> > and if that isn't enough, you can sync without any internet connection
> > whatsoever. but nevertheless, ludicrous conspiracy theories abound.
>
> That won't help you update.
what does that have to do with apple tracking what music you have?
> Which brings up all the crap that iTunes
> forces you to install with it and all the "recommended" software...
what crap is that? itunes is built on quicktime so on windows it needs
to install quicktime. on a mac, quicktime is built-in.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
Uh-huh. What this tells me is that you are incapable of making an
intelligent counter reply to what I said. I've read /. from time to time
since its inception, but I fail to see how that would help anyone here.
As for my being "clueless" I think most certainly you are the most
clueless in this conversation. I used an Apple iPhone for over two years
and have used the Android since the week it was available, I'm hardly
clueless as to how either one works. I was there when the iPhone was
first unlocked and when it was jail broken and was there when Apple
purposefully bricked all the jailbroken phones. I was there when iTunes
broke the sync ability of the iPhone because I use Thunderbird, which
brings up a whole new can of worms.
You sir are the clueless troll who knows nothing more than a bunch
of headlines from the Internet and zero substance.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
>
>> In who's opinion? In mine it's far easier to plug in my phone, drag and
>> drop and go. And when I do drag and drop, it does not complain about
>> what I am adding and I use add whatever I want as a ring tone. I do not
>> have to buy a song, AND a ring tone separate, and if I already have a
>> song I can use it as a ring tone rather than having to buy a separate
>> ring tone of the song I already have.
>
>
I know you don't HAVE to, but I have become less and less
interested in spending as much time as I used to on dicking with me
phone. With the first phone I had that had custom ring tone usage I
would drag and drop the wavs to the phone, pick it and use it. The same
with all others that I've owned except the iPhone. Why? Why did they go
out of their way to make it especially hard to use something as a ring
tone? We know why, and yes there are ways around it, but it's a pain. At
least comparatively. Like I said, if you like what you have wonderful; I
didn't. I found it complicated and inconvenient and to me the biggest
gain for me switching back to a Motorola was that I do not have to use
iTunes and put up the it's and Apple's quirks.
nospam
<windsor.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I used an Apple iPhone for over two years
> and have used the Android since the week it was available, I'm hardly
> clueless as to how either one works.
so it's just itunes that confuses you?
> I was there when the iPhone was
> first unlocked and when it was jail broken and was there when Apple
> purposefully bricked all the jailbroken phones.
they did no such thing.
> I was there when iTunes
> broke the sync ability of the iPhone because I use Thunderbird, which
> brings up a whole new can of worms.
what broke?
George Kerby
On 1/5/10 10:00 AM, in article
9bbed5c1-b950-4c6f...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Google's
Epic Fail: It is just another Droid!" <vic.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 9:57�am, "WindsorFox<[SS]>" <windsor.fox.use...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> � � Probably so, but at least it's open sourced and uses no proprietary
>> software/rules.
>>
>> --
>
> Its hard to carry on a conversation like that with someone who is
> totally clueless.
>
> You have no real idea of what your talking about but are merely
> parroting stupid 'geek speak' and thinking as opposed to smart geek
> speak.
>
> BTW you are wrong.
What else is new?
The SS moron has less cranial capacity than a fully grown gnat.
George Kerby
On 1/5/10 2:03 PM, in article hi05uf$n3o$1...@posting2.glorb.com,
"WindsorFox<[SS]>" <windsor.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
Uh-huh! -- And I bet you were there when Al Gore invented the internet, you
blithering butt-monkey!?!
George Kerby
On 1/5/10 2:14 PM, in article 050120101214540703%nos...@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <hi05uf$n3o$1...@posting2.glorb.com>, WindsorFox
> <windsor.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I used an Apple iPhone for over two years
>> and have used the Android since the week it was available, I'm hardly
>> clueless as to how either one works.
>
> so it's just itunes that confuses you?
Among a myriad of other things, like synchronized breathing.
>
>> I was there when the iPhone was
>> first unlocked and when it was jail broken and was there when Apple
>> purposefully bricked all the jailbroken phones.
>
> they did no such thing.
Only in the moron's mind...
>
>> I was there when iTunes
>> broke the sync ability of the iPhone because I use Thunderbird, which
>> brings up a whole new can of worms.
>
> what broke?
His cerebral fluid.
George Kerby
On 1/5/10 2:57 PM, in article
michelle-5194CF...@nothing.attdns.com, "Michelle Steiner"
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <hi05uf$n3o$1...@posting2.glorb.com>,
> "WindsorFox<[SS]>" <windsor.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was there when the iPhone was first unlocked and when it was jail
>> broken and was there when Apple purposefully bricked all the jailbroken
>> phones.
>
> Apple never purposely bricked all the jail-broken phones. The merely did
> not go out of their way to ensure that the jail-broken phones would not be
> bricked.
>
>> I was there when iTunes broke the sync ability of the iPhone because I
>> use Thunderbird, which brings up a whole new can of worms.
>
> Do you have any evidence that that really ever happened?
That's a laugh. "SS boi" is Certified Apple Hater living a sheltered life in
his mama's cellar. His evidence is "I think it - therefore it IS".
Larry
nos...@nospam.invalid:
> your huge music collection won't fit on that tiny 2 gig flash card
> either, which means you too have to do more than just type a line or
> two of dos (!) commands, presumably after browsing your folders trying
> to figure out what music to copy and what the fewest keystrokes to use
> that will include all of it and exclude what you don't want.
(blush) You got me.
I know it's hard to believe, but I have a little wallet of microSD cards
labeled as per genre as I like lots of different kinds of music at
different times of the day. Being able to CHANGE memory has many
advantages in a tiny device.
>
> you are such a hypocrite.
>
>
You got me, again!
Larry
@newsfe24.iad:
> since I manually select the checkboxes!)
Yecch~! No click and drag?!
Larry
@newsfe24.iad:
> If I want to hear random music of a
> certain style, I play broadcast or intenet radio! ;)
>
If I want to hear random music, I carry the Xclef 500 with the 120GB
drive....(c;]
"Randomizing" 30 songs....or even 300....always results in the damned
things playing the same music over and over at some point...no thanks.
Every time I take the Xclef beast out for a spin, I hear music I haven't
heard since last year!....hee hee.
Yes, it will randomize either a directory or the whole drive, which I
prefer. It has more music than a radio station!
http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/dmc-xclef-hd-500/4505-6490_7-
31212346.html
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> I know it's hard to believe, but I have a little wallet of microSD cards
> labeled as per genre as I like lots of different kinds of music at
> different times of the day. Being able to CHANGE memory has many
> advantages in a tiny device.
being able to have all the music on a device at one time, without the
need for additional cards, is an even bigger advantage.
the largest ipod is 160 gig right now. that's 80 of your 2 gig flash
cards.
Larry
$l2o$1...@posting2.glorb.com:
> if you like iTunes great. use it. *I* do not, I prefer to do
> what I want, when and how I want to do it.
>
My test is simple.....
Plug the device into any USB port.
Does the computer think it's connected to an external USB hard drive?
No - Unqualified device, dump it in the trash.
Yes - Can I put anything I want on it with any file manager or even the
operating system's basic commands?
No - Unqualified device, dump it in the trash.
Yes - Does it ever tell me "NO" to any file smaller than the available
drive space?
Yes - Unqualified device, dump it in the trash.
No - Does it allow me to OFFLOAD any file to any device capable of
receiving it I plug its USB cable into?
No - Unqualified device, dump it in the trash.
Yes - Load all the stuff you want onto it and enjoy....
Any kind of "player" should act like an external USB drive, no
restrictions, no funny business, with a built-in player capable of
playing what's put on it....no funny business.
It's MY goddamned player, not the RIAA's, not Apple's, not Google's, not
MPAA's or some spammer's. They have no business telling me what to do
with MY player!
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> Any kind of "player" should act like an external USB drive, no
> restrictions, no funny business, with a built-in player capable of
> playing what's put on it....no funny business.
there is no funny business, but did it not occur to you that there may
be alternatives that some people prefer?
> It's MY goddamned player, not the RIAA's, not Apple's, not Google's, not
> MPAA's or some spammer's. They have no business telling me what to do
> with MY player!
then it's a good thing that nobody tells anyone what to do with an
ipod. you can put whatever the hell you want on it.
where do you come up with this idiocy anyway?
Larry
nos...@nospam.invalid:
> that's fine. buy something that doesn't use itunes. the zune is 85th on
> the amazon best seller list, maybe you can help it reach 84th place. :)
>
>
Why is it so goddamned important to Apple fanboiz "who's first", not what
the device will or won't do? Why would a consumer care "who's first"?
"Does this device do what I want as easily and conveniently as possible
without stupid restrictions?" That's all that matters! We don't giveashit
what the glitz and marketing statistics are!
Is it easy to load?
Is it easy to copy stuff off of onto any other computer?
Is it easy to play?
Can you read the display in sunlight on the beach?
Does it sound great?
IS IT REALLY LOUD, or is some shitnanny telling me I'm not allowed to
listen to music that loud? (Boy, that pisses me off! If I want it
PAINFULLY LOUD, I don't want shitnanny limiting how "loud" LOUD is!)
At full volume, with your ears ringing, is it distorted?
Maybe that's why I'm still carrying the Xclef....You can go deaf listening
to it!....(c;]
Larry
$2...@posting2.glorb.com:
> Probably so, but at least it's open sourced and uses no proprietary
> software/rules.
>
>
My irony meter just blew its line fuse....again....(c;]
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> > that's fine. buy something that doesn't use itunes. the zune is 85th on
> > the amazon best seller list, maybe you can help it reach 84th place. :)
>
> Why is it so goddamned important to Apple fanboiz "who's first", not what
> the device will or won't do? Why would a consumer care "who's first"?
where did i say anyone cared about being first?
being 85th on the list means few people find the zune compelling.
nothing more, nothing less.
> "Does this device do what I want as easily and conveniently as possible
> without stupid restrictions?" That's all that matters! We don't giveashit
> what the glitz and marketing statistics are!
>
> Is it easy to load?
ipods are very easy to load
> Is it easy to copy stuff off of onto any other computer?
it's even easier to go computer to computer.
> Is it easy to play?
very
> Can you read the display in sunlight on the beach?
yes
> Does it sound great?
yes
> IS IT REALLY LOUD, or is some shitnanny telling me I'm not allowed to
> listen to music that loud? (Boy, that pisses me off! If I want it
> PAINFULLY LOUD, I don't want shitnanny limiting how "loud" LOUD is!)
> At full volume, with your ears ringing, is it distorted?
loud enough for a lawsuit.
> Maybe that's why I'm still carrying the Xclef....You can go deaf listening
> to it!....(c;]
after you go deaf, will your eyesight be next?
Larry
C567B6.171...@nothing.attdns.com:
> Gore never claimed to have invented the internet.
>
>
No need to bring Gore into this. It's 28F in Charleston and the furnace is
running. Bring me Gore in a Speedo (don't look!) and I'll strap his
freezing ass to the dock tonight to tell us about "global warming"!
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> Bring me Gore in a Speedo
whatever turns you on.
George Kerby
On 1/5/10 6:13 PM, in article
michelle-C567B6...@nothing.attdns.com, "Michelle Steiner"
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <C7692E44.3B835%ghost_...@hotmail.com>,
> George Kerby <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Uh-huh! -- And I bet you were there when Al Gore invented the internet,
>> you blithering butt-monkey!?!
>
> Gore never claimed to have invented the internet.
Lighten up Michelle. It was a friggin' inside funny.
nospam
<knews...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I didn't see him mention what SIZE cards he had.
he mentioned 2 gig in another post
>
> And the iPod IS NOT an iPhone!!
true, but he hates them both.
nospam
<knews...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Is it easy to load?
> >
> >ipods are very easy to load
>
> With non-DRM music you ALREADY have?
of course.
where in the world did you get the idea it *only* played drm music?
Larry
> But who the hell are you to tell everyone else that a product is shit
> and they shouldn't own it, and are fools if they do, because it
> doesn't meet your narrow criteria?
>
>
And, who the hell are YOU to tell other people to shut up?
You need to got read a fanboi moderated Apple forum if you don't like
people pointing out the stupidity of its products.
You certainly won't like usenet....and its FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
Until your kind figure out how to stop FREEDOM OF SPEECH, especially here
in America, we'll all continue to tell the whole world our free opinions,
and that's what we still have some control over OUR OPINIONS, WITHOUT
having to get permission from people like YOU to express them.
Got it?
................no, I guess not.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote
> > But who the hell are you to tell everyone else that a product is shit
> > and they shouldn't own it, and are fools if they do, because it
> > doesn't meet your narrow criteria?
>
> And, who the hell are YOU to tell other people to shut up?
where did she tell you to shut up?
> You need to got read a fanboi moderated Apple forum if you don't like
> people pointing out the stupidity of its products.
there's a lot more stupidity with your posts than anything apple has
ever done. maybe one day you'll even get something right.
> You certainly won't like usenet....and its FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
>
> Until your kind figure out how to stop FREEDOM OF SPEECH, especially here
> in America, we'll all continue to tell the whole world our free opinions,
> and that's what we still have some control over OUR OPINIONS, WITHOUT
> having to get permission from people like YOU to express them.
in other words, she has the freedom of speech to voice her opinion.
now what was i saying about being a hypocrite?
> Got it?
>
> ................no, I guess not.
apparently not.
Todd Allcock
> > The biggest problem I've had, is that my wife has different tastes in
> > music than I, but with a small overlap, so any automatic syncing I
> > set up invariably let some of "my" stuff sneak onto her iPhone.
>
> why? can't you set it up to exclude the stuff she doesn't like?
Because of the overlap, that was difficult- using checkboxes was just
easier. (Quick example: I like all of the Beatles music- she likes only
some of it, but what she likes isn't easily broken down by a simple
category like "year" or "album" so I can't come up with a simple smart
playlist rule. I could manually create a giant playlist of "all her
stuff plus all of my stuff she can stand" but that's what I use the
checkboxes for!)
> > Unfortunately, however, manual sync on the iPhone is just a f---ing
> > mess, since iTunes doesn't "remember" what you manually add (it
> > simply reads what's on the device at the moment.) This means
> > everytime you update the OS, which wipes all media,
>
> update which os? the iphone or the computer?
The iPhone's.
> if you update the iphone's
> os, you are basically restoring it to a new iphone, but with a newer
> firmware version. the process is followed by a sync which will put
> everything back the way it was prior to the upgrade.
No, it doesn't- that's my point. If you choose to manually manage media
it doesn't restore that media because iTunes doesn't keep track of what
you manually dragged to the phone. After an upgrade, the phone's media
library is blank. (I've become an expert on that "feature" since it has
bit me at least five times!) ;)
I'm "manually" syncing automatically now- using the sync function with
"checked" media only. This seems to survive an OS upgrade because iTunes
(obviously) knows what's checked and what isn't.
> > you've no way to restore it automatically,
> > since iTunes didn't bother keeping track of manually managed media in
> > those wonderful backups it does. You get to manually add everything
> > album by album, file by file, yet again, after each upgrade.
>
> well there is a reason why they call it manual :) make a playlist with
> what you want on the iphone and drag the contents of that to the phone.
> or, have itunes sync just that one playlist. you can even make
> playlists that are subsets of the master 'iphone playlist'.
The sync "only checked" option seems to do what I need.
> > My recent adventures in wiping the phone was a result of trying to
> > wean myself off of manual management to the "sync only checked" media
> > option (which, IMO, despite the "Applespeak" distinction is still
> > manual management since I manually select the checkboxes!) At least
> > this way,
> > iTunes will now have a roadmap to restore the device's media after an
> > upgrade.
>
> all that sync only checked means is that you can disable some songs on
> the fly but keep them in various playlists on the computer.
Right, but by unchecking "my" music, it ensures only my wife's music
syncs with her phone.
> > > your huge music collection won't fit on that tiny 2 gig flash card
> > > either, which means you too have to do more than just type a line or
> > > two of dos (!) commands, presumably after browsing your folders
trying
> > > to figure out what music to copy and what the fewest keystrokes to
use
> > > that will include all of it and exclude what you don't want.
> >
> > True, but that's just as easy in any GUI File Manager as it is in a
> > redundant management program like iTunes, WMP, Zune, etc.
>
> actually it isn't just as easy because itunes searching is far more
> flexible. you can search on various tags and create fancy queries, as
> opposed to just searching on the name or folder. also, the file names
> often end up being huge with the artist/album/genre/track all
> concatenated into one long name so you can search on it.
True, but Larry doesn't fool with any of that, nor, frankly, do I. I
keep my music in Larry-like nested artist/album folders (just like
iTunes!) I "get" the whole smart playlist thing, I just don't use it.
I'm a child of the 60s who grew up with albums, and I still typically
think that way. I tend to listen to albums beginning to end, and
creating a smart playlist of randomly arranged music would (to me) be
sort of like reaing a random arrangement of chapters from books I enjoy!
> > Easier, in fact, because you can use multiple windows to see what's
> > on
> > the compute and the player at a single glance. When manually managing
> > media in iTunes, I was constantly clicking between "Library" and
"iPhone"
> > to see what had already been added and what still needed to be added.
>
> itunes supports multiple windows. double-click a playlist. you can also
> make a smart playlist that shows what *isn't* in another playlist,
> i.e., stuff not on the iphone.
I've been unable to get separate windows of my entire library andthe
iPhone's entire library on the screen simultaneously. I suppose if I
made the entire library of the iPhone a single giant playlist, that'd be
a workaround. In any case the "sync only checked" is working for me
(knock wood.)
> > In Larry's case (or anyone who uses a player with removable storage)
> > he can just keep adding more cards, rather than constantly mucking
> > with what media to shoehorn into the same fixed amount of internal
> > flash on a daily basis. Essentially a larger version of the
> > "Walkman" paradigm, except each "cassette" can hold an entire
> > artist's discography, or an entire genre of one's collection. For
> > the old fogeys like Larry and I, that's
> > more "intuitive" than "Genius" playlists. If I want to hear The
Beatles'
> > Rubber Soul, I play Rubber Soul. If I want to hear random music of a
> > certain style, I play broadcast or intenet radio! ;)
>
> with cards, you would need to remember which song is on which card. or
> do people actually write on the label in super-tiny print what the
> various songs are? :)
You can certainly write the name of an artist or genre on a card. With
folder-based management, songs aren't randomly stored on cards.
> it's a *lot* easier to have everything in one device at one time
> instead of a pocket full of cards and shuffling among them.
If your device fits all of your music, yes. In Larry's case, that's
virtually impossible. With the exception of the 64GB touch and the HDD-
based iPods, single SD cards as large as an iPhon'se or iPod's storage
memory are available, and at least with WMP, can be treated as a
"device." My PC considers my phone's 16GB SD card a media player, so if
i cared to, (I don't) I could sync my music (even with DRM) based on
playlists, artist, album, genre, star ratings, etc. with the card itself,
without having to connect the phone.
> > He's been pretty consistant about prefering a manual folder-based
> > music management system. I have nothing against a music manager
> > program as long as I'm free to only use it when I want to.
>
> the only thing about which he's been consistent is hating apple for
> doing exactly the same things other companies do.
Other than Apple and MS' Zune, what other players _require_ a
proprietary music library management program to load media? Every other
player I've ever used can load like a thumb drive. Sure, most of them
_can_ use a library manager, but they don't _have_ to.
Todd Allcock
Droid! wrote:
> On Jan 5, 3:11 am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> Todd for a computer geek you really need to learn more about Apple's
> Smart Playlists in iTunes and how to use them properly. All they are
> is an extensive set of simple programing rules that manipulate the
> media you pocess.
An extensive set of features I don't require, and only work with one
brand of player. Sorry- I'm just not that interested.
> You can even create smart playlists of other playlists, think about
> it.
I'm familiar with them- I just don't use them.
> That is what dictates what files are synced to your iPhone, iPod Touch
> etc. If you are really smart you can have multiple different users
> with their iTunes accounts sharing synchronized data without
> duplicating it on your home network so different devices can be
> programed to sync differently. This is important when your total
> iTunes data exceeds 100 GB or more.
With only one iTunes user in the house, (and not by choice,) that won't be
necessary...
Wes Groleau
> [something that apparently a LOT of people care about]
Wow, looks like eighty or a hundred people do not want
to help extinguish this guy's obsession.
--
Wes Groleau
Amigos Falsos
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=108
nospam
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> > > The biggest problem I've had, is that my wife has different tastes in
> > > music than I, but with a small overlap, so any automatic syncing I
> > > set up invariably let some of "my" stuff sneak onto her iPhone.
> >
> > why? can't you set it up to exclude the stuff she doesn't like?
>
> Because of the overlap, that was difficult- using checkboxes was just
> easier.
checkboxes are the wrong solution for that.
> (Quick example: I like all of the Beatles music- she likes only
> some of it, but what she likes isn't easily broken down by a simple
> category like "year" or "album" so I can't come up with a simple smart
> playlist rule. I could manually create a giant playlist of "all her
> stuff plus all of my stuff she can stand" but that's what I use the
> checkboxes for!)
make a playlist of your favourites and a playlist of her favourites.
then you can create other playlists that are in one and not the other,
in both or in neither.
if you borrow her iphone, one click and it has your music. be sure to
click it back and sync her music before returning it.
> I'm a child of the 60s who grew up with albums, and I still typically
> think that way. I tend to listen to albums beginning to end, and
> creating a smart playlist of randomly arranged music would (to me) be
> sort of like reaing a random arrangement of chapters from books I enjoy!
there's a shuffle by album setting.
> > itunes supports multiple windows. double-click a playlist. you can also
> > make a smart playlist that shows what *isn't* in another playlist,
> > i.e., stuff not on the iphone.
>
> I've been unable to get separate windows of my entire library andthe
> iPhone's entire library on the screen simultaneously.
get a bigger screen :)
> You can certainly write the name of an artist or genre on a card. With
> folder-based management, songs aren't randomly stored on cards.
and what if you have more than one card for a genre or artist? now you
need to write specific albums and/or songs. there really isn't that
much room on the card, plus what happens when you want to reuse the
card? if you wrote in ink it's going to be a bit of a challenge...
> > it's a *lot* easier to have everything in one device at one time
> > instead of a pocket full of cards and shuffling among them.
>
> If your device fits all of your music, yes.
do you keep all your music on cards? how many cards do you actually
have (and carry) ?
> In Larry's case, that's
> virtually impossible.
there's a lot of things that are impossible with him :)
> With the exception of the 64GB touch and the HDD-
> based iPods, single SD cards as large as an iPhon'se or iPod's storage
> memory are available, and at least with WMP, can be treated as a
> "device." My PC considers my phone's 16GB SD card a media player, so if
> i cared to, (I don't) I could sync my music (even with DRM) based on
> playlists, artist, album, genre, star ratings, etc. with the card itself,
> without having to connect the phone.
someone who has a huge library which they want to carry all of it with
them, they aren't likely to buy an ipod nano.
compared with a 160 gig classic, you'd need 10 cards to match it.
that's going to be a mess to manage, especially on a road trip.
> Other than Apple and MS' Zune, what other players _require_ a
> proprietary music library management program to load media? Every other
> player I've ever used can load like a thumb drive. Sure, most of them
> _can_ use a library manager, but they don't _have_ to.
and they're not selling particularly well. people want the simplicity
and functionality of a managed library.
Todd Allcock
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:46:38 -0800, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
>
> >> Is it easy to load?
> >
> >ipods are very easy to load
>
Sure, as long as you load iTunes on your computer first. But choose
carefully- the iPhone can only accept media from one computer. Try
adding a song from the computer in the other room and it refuses, unless
you let it wipe all media from the iPhone first.
Todd Allcock
> Todd Allcock <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in news:VuC0n.6047$_H7.457
> @newsfe24.iad:
>
> > since I manually select the checkboxes!)
>
You can drag/drop in iTunes, but as I mentioned earlier, you're screwed
if/when you upgrade the iPhone software, since it doesn't remember what
you drag/dropped.
Apparently, (perhaps to conserve disk space?) "backup" and "restore" have
different definitions in Cupertino than in Redmond. iTunes only backs up
data that doesn't already exist on the PC (no media, for example)
figuring rather than backing up redundant data, it can just recopy it
from the PC- a nicetheory, but it fell apart for me since I primarily
used drag/drop. The "drops" aren't recorded anywhere in iTunes on the
PC, so after an OS upgrade, which wipes the phone's memory, there's no
record on the PC of any music ever being synced to iPhone, so nothing is
restored.
Before the iFans jump on me, I admit the fault was mine- I projected my
Wintel expectations onto Apple's software and hardware. That's always a
mistake when using stuff on a different platform. "When in Cupertino, do
as the Cupertinans do..."
nospam
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> You can drag/drop in iTunes, but as I mentioned earlier, you're screwed
> if/when you upgrade the iPhone software, since it doesn't remember what
> you drag/dropped.
depends how you set it up. if you create one or more standard playlists
that are synced, you can drag/drop to any of them, and the new songs
will appear on the ipod.
> Apparently, (perhaps to conserve disk space?) "backup" and "restore" have
> different definitions in Cupertino than in Redmond. iTunes only backs up
> data that doesn't already exist on the PC (no media, for example)
> figuring rather than backing up redundant data, it can just recopy it
> from the PC- a nicetheory, but it fell apart for me since I primarily
> used drag/drop.
it is really silly to copy what's already on the computer.
> The "drops" aren't recorded anywhere in iTunes on the
> PC, so after an OS upgrade, which wipes the phone's memory, there's no
> record on the PC of any music ever being synced to iPhone, so nothing is
> restored.
did you report it as a bug/feature request?
nospam
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> > >> Is it easy to load?
> > >
> > >ipods are very easy to load
> >
> > With non-DRM music you ALREADY have?
>
> Sure, as long as you load iTunes on your computer first.
huh? it doesn't matter when you load itunes. in fact, on first launch,
itunes asks to scan the drive for music to add to it.
> But choose
> carefully- the iPhone can only accept media from one computer. Try
> adding a song from the computer in the other room and it refuses, unless
> you let it wipe all media from the iPhone first.
ipods can sync from multiple computers. that limitation is not itunes,
but something about the iphone.
Larry
online today. Its footprint across America goes from near nothing to
nationwide with the potential of millions and millions of new customers
the day it goes onto Verizon's bandwidth, not tiny T-mobile.
Our city iPhone friends who think New Jersey is "out in the boondocks",
will be quite shocked with Nexus sales when the REST of the non-T-Mobile
country gets a phone that works at their house....
http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/images/maps/3Gco
mparison.pdf
T-mobile has NO 3G coverage in North Carolina and only in metro
Charleston in South Carolina, as an example.
Verizon/Alltel will make both of these states customers of Nexus One,
even in the real boondocks with full 3G coverage. Look on the RED map.
T-mobile won't sell a single 3G Nexus One to ID, MT, WY, ND, SD, NE, OK,
NM, UT outside Salt Lake City, vast areas of CA, OR, WA, TX, CO outside
of Denver, IA, MN outside of Minn/St Paul, WI, IN, IL outside Chicago, MI
outside of Detroit, PA, NY outside NYC, VT, NH, ME, MA outside Boston, VA
outside DC, NC, SC, GA outside Atlanta, most of FL, AL, MS,
LA....millions and millions of Nexus One customers, AR, MO, TN, KY,
WV....horrible 3G coverage buyers will DEMAND on their $530 smartphones.
Light up the Nexus One on Verizon/Alltel and roam it onto the green
Sprint map and it will THEN, and only THEN, be a VERY serious threat to
all the GSM smartphones, not just iPhone. What a coup!
Reports say Spring 2010 for CDMA/EVDO Nexus One....Google is no fool!
Larry
news:050120102110167154%nos...@nospam.invalid:
Holy Crap, Botman! They said iTuney was EASY TO USE!
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> Holy Crap, Botman! They said iTuney was EASY TO USE!
it is, however, it does require an iq above room temperature. in
celsius. apparently, not everyone has that.
Todd Allcock
> > > > The biggest problem I've had, is that my wife has different
> > > > tastes in music than I, but with a small overlap, so any
> > > > automatic syncing I set up invariably let some of "my" stuff
> > > > sneak onto her iPhone.
> > >
> > > why? can't you set it up to exclude the stuff she doesn't like?
> >
> > Because of the overlap, that was difficult- using checkboxes was just
> > easier.
>
> checkboxes are the wrong solution for that.
They don't seem to be good for much else except to select a subset of
media to sync.
It's working for me, simply because iTunes has only function on my PC- to
get stuff on/off her iPhone.
> > You can certainly write the name of an artist or genre on a card.
> > With folder-based management, songs aren't randomly stored on cards.
>
> and what if you have more than one card for a genre or artist? now you
> need to write specific albums and/or songs. there really isn't that
> much room on the card, plus what happens when you want to reuse the
> card? if you wrote in ink it's going to be a bit of a challenge...
Perhaps. You'd have to ask Larry- that's his game. I used to sticky
labels back in days of 128MB CF cards, but they had more room to write on
than Micro SD!
> > > it's a *lot* easier to have everything in one device at one time
> > > instead of a pocket full of cards and shuffling among them.
> >
> > If your device fits all of your music, yes.
>
> do you keep all your music on cards? how many cards do you actually
> have (and carry) ?
Personally, I stick to two- my 16GB, and an old 2GB "emergency backup" I
take when traveling in the off-chance the 16 crashes. 16GB is big enough
for me. I used to use multiple cards in the old days when they were
smaller.
An advantage of cards, IMO, is that increasing capacity doesn't
necessitate buying a new device. If mine becomes too small for me, I can
buy a larger card. If the iPhone's internal storage becomes too small
for my wife, we're buying a new iPhone! ;)
> someone who has a huge library which they want to carry all of it with
> them, they aren't likely to buy an ipod nano.
No, but plenty of people will struggle with the relatively smaller
capacity of an iPhone, to avoid carrying two devices.
> compared with a 160 gig classic, you'd need 10 cards to match it.
> that's going to be a mess to manage, especially on a road trip.
No worse than lugging a separate iPhone and iPod classic. (Not to
mention the laptop you'll need to lug to change the music on the iPhone!)
> > Other than Apple and MS' Zune, what other players _require_ a
> > proprietary music library management program to load media? Every
> > other player I've ever used can load like a thumb drive. Sure, most
> > of them _can_ use a library manager, but they don't _have_ to.
>
> and they're not selling particularly well. people want the simplicity
> and functionality of a managed library.
Perhaps. I think it's more of a brand cachet thing now. The modern-day
media player equivalent of "Nobody gets fired for buying IBM"
Take the new Zune HD for example- from most of the reviews it seems as
good if not better for me
ia playback than a comparable iPod. That would've been good
enough ten years ago, but won't cut it today- the iPod infrastructure-
the iTunes store, the huge number of third-party accessories, etc. make
the iPod the player to buy. Heck, that's what keeps Windows dominant
even through the Vista era, where Apple had a real chance to do some
damage and only picked up a few points of marketshare- being only a
little better just isn't good enough to unseat the incumbent market leader.
Todd Allcock
> > Apparently, (perhaps to conserve disk space?) "backup" and "restore"
have
> > different definitions in Cupertino than in Redmond. iTunes only
backs up
> > data that doesn't already exist on the PC (no media, for example)
> > figuring rather than backing up redundant data, it can just recopy it
> > from the PC- a nicetheory, but it fell apart for me since I primarily
> > used drag/drop.
>
> it is really silly to copy what's already on the computer.
True, provided that the alternative works 100%! ;)
> > The "drops" aren't recorded anywhere in iTunes on the
> > PC, so after an OS upgrade, which wipes the phone's memory, there's no
> > record on the PC of any music ever being synced to iPhone, so nothing
is
> > restored.
>
> did you report it as a bug/feature request?
No, I haven't. iTunes, for me, is just pennance one performs for owning
an iPhone, like Zune software is for Zunes, or the utterly abysmal
"Windows Mobile Device Center" is for WinMo. As long as there's an
effective workaround, iTunes can suck to the highest aspirations of its
designers. ;)
Todd Allcock
> T-mobile has NO 3G coverage in North Carolina and only in metro
> Charleston in South Carolina, as an example.
Gee, Verizon's ad men have you right where they want you, don't they? ;)
Smartphones do work outside 3G areas, you know!
> T-mobile won't sell a single 3G Nexus One to ID, MT, WY, ND, SD, NE,
OK,
> NM, UT outside Salt Lake City, vast areas of CA, OR, WA, TX, CO outside
> of Denver, IA, MN outside of Minn/St Paul, WI, IN, IL outside Chicago,
MI
> outside of Detroit, PA, NY outside NYC, VT, NH, ME, MA outside Boston,
VA
> outside DC, NC, SC, GA outside Atlanta, most of FL, AL, MS,
> LA....millions and millions of Nexus One customers, AR, MO, TN, KY,
> WV....horrible 3G coverage buyers will DEMAND on their $530 smartphones.
With unlimited voice, data, and texting for $80 vs. $150 on Verizon, (or
500 minutes, unlimited data and texting for $60) you'd be surprised what
we T-Mo customers will put up with!
Also, T-Mo will sell the phone on 20 monthly, interest-free, installment
payments, so yo can use the $50 or more a month you save vs. VZW or AT&T
to fund the $25/month the phone costs you.
Personally, for $500, I'd take a Nokia N900 over the Nexus.
Todd Allcock
> > > >> Is it easy to load?
> > > >
> > > >ipods are very easy to load
> > >
> > > With non-DRM music you ALREADY have?
> >
> > Sure, as long as you load iTunes on your computer first.
>
> huh? it doesn't matter when you load itunes. in fact, on first launch,
> itunes asks to scan the drive for music to add to it.
I meant you have to install iTunes prior to transferring music to an
iPod/iPhone- not prior to loading the music on the computer.
> > But choose
> > carefully- the iPhone can only accept media from one computer. Try
> > adding a song from the computer in the other room and it refuses,
unless
> > you let it wipe all media from the iPhone first.
>
> ipods can sync from multiple computers. that limitation is not itunes,
> but something about the iphone.
Correct. Given that this is posted exclusively to cellular phone
newsgroups, I went way out on a limb and assumed the "iPods" being
discussed were likely to be iPhones.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
> In article <hi05uf$n3o$1...@posting2.glorb.com>, WindsorFox
> <windsor.f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I used an Apple iPhone for over two years
>> and have used the Android since the week it was available, I'm hardly
>> clueless as to how either one works.
>
> so it's just itunes that confuses you?
*I* have absolute zero confusion about iTunes, perhaps you confuse
me with the guy who lost stuff with a click box.
>
>> I was there when the iPhone was
>> first unlocked and when it was jail broken and was there when Apple
>> purposefully bricked all the jailbroken phones.
>
> they did no such thing.
The hell they didn't. I know people who had bricked phones. There
were stories in the media and posts on the forums. Obviously there is no
solid proof that it was purposely done, but there's none to the contrary
either. It may not have been particularly on purpose, but they certainly
didn't bother worrying about it, surely they saw it as a "lesson" to
those who would have the unmitigated gall to hack their beloved iPhone.
>
>> I was there when iTunes
>> broke the sync ability of the iPhone because I use Thunderbird, which
>> brings up a whole new can of worms.
>
> what broke?
Well as you may know iTunes will not sync with Thunderbird, which I
find very odd since the software that it syncs with on the Mac is a
Mozilla based client. Anyway after a particular update iTunes would no
longer sync with OE either unless OE was set in Windows as the default
mail client. So in order to sync my contacts with OE (which were there
only because it would not work with Thunderbird) I had to go into
Windows defaults and change it from Tb to OE before I started iT,
otherwise you would get an error and the sync would fail. I had a CSR at
800-SOS-APPLE get rather irate when I said "no" to his suggestion that I
should just set OE as the default and use that rather than Thunderbird.
--
.
"A smorgasbord of tomfoolery" - L0afy
SMS
> Reports say Spring 2010 for CDMA/EVDO Nexus One....Google is no fool!
If they were no fool then they would have started with the #1 U.S.
network for the Nexus, not the #4 network. I suspect that the Nexus for
Verizon will also support GSM and W-CDMA for worldwide use.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
>
>> I was there when the iPhone was first unlocked and when it was jail
>> broken and was there when Apple purposefully bricked all the jailbroken
>> phones.
>
> not go out of their way to ensure that the jail-broken phones would not be
> bricked.
>
>> I was there when iTunes broke the sync ability of the iPhone because I
>> use Thunderbird, which brings up a whole new can of worms.
>
>
Yes, it did it to me and got a CSR livid because I suggested that it
was unacceptable that I should have to change my default program before
and after syncing my phone.
WindsorFox<[SS]>
> In article <Xns9CF7D13DCCA...@74.209.131.13>, Larry
> <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Any kind of "player" should act like an external USB drive, no
>> restrictions, no funny business, with a built-in player capable of
>> playing what's put on it....no funny business.
>
> there is no funny business, but did it not occur to you that there may
> be alternatives that some people prefer?
>
>> It's MY goddamned player, not the RIAA's, not Apple's, not Google's, not
>> MPAA's or some spammer's. They have no business telling me what to do
>> with MY player!
>
> then it's a good thing that nobody tells anyone what to do with an
> ipod. you can put whatever the hell you want on it.
>
> where do you come up with this idiocy anyway?
But you can not move it to a fro at will unless you use Linux AFAIK
and if iT tells you "no" to something, you can not do it.