Direct public quote from Sr. Apple exec: "Apple does NOT have a dominant position in ANY market"

[Arlen Holder]

For once, Apple execs told the truth... (fancy that!)...
o Dateline yesterday, all verbatim (since Apologists usually deny facts).

"*Apple does not have a dominant position in any market*,
and we face strong competition in every category, in tablets,
wearables, desktop and notebook computers, maps, music,
payments, messaging, and more," he said."

o *Apple not dominant in any market, plenty of rivals, senior executive says*
<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-antitrust-apple/apple-not-dominant-in-any-market-plenty-of-rivals-senior-executive-says-idUSKBN24126C>

"'We compete with a wide variety of companies, Google, Samsung,
Huawei, Vivo, LG, Lenovo and many more,' Daniel Matray, head of
Apple's App Store and Apple Media Services, told a Forum Europe
online event."
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Shocker of all shockers, Apple tells the truth, for once in its history.

[News]

Just waving away the antitrust regulators, like flies from...

[Alan Baker]

So?

[Alan Browne]

How so? Sounds like Apple are telling it like it is.

Samsung sells far more mobile phones than Apple.
Far more Android phones than iPhones:
(72% Android v. 26% iOS).

Andorid Tablets are relatively weak:
(60% Android, 40% iOS)

There are far, far more PC's operating on Windows than there are Macs.
(about 78% for Windows v. about 16% for Mac OS).

Google has a far wider and deeper subscription base than Apple.

More people use Google Maps than Apple Maps.

Netflix has far more media subscribers than Apple.
(182M v. about 75M for Apple). Spotify likewise has at least double
that (but a lot of that is free content).

Apple does dominate in one way, of course. They make margin.

Oodles of it.

Apple also dominate in getting into the heads of people who somehow hate
them.

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:10:03 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

> Apple does dominate in one way, of course. They make margin.
>
> Oodles of it.
>
> Apple also dominate in getting into the heads of people who somehow hate
> them.

Hi Alan Browne,

You're astutely correct, IMHO, on two important factual assessments:
o You only fail on the third count because you're an apologist after all.

Luckily, you're a "type II" apologist, (IMHO), which means you're not they
way you are out of maliciousness, but you think the way you do about me
simply because you're unduly swayed by MARKETING and you hate that I'm not.

However, if you keep making sense like you did on your first two point I
might have to ignore your hatred for folks who comprehend facts and
perhaps, someday, remove you from the apologists' category, as Apple _does_
have one thing (and one thing only) making it the best in class, and, in
fact, the best in the world.

... ... *MARKETING* ... ...

If there was a law against monopolizing the thought process of people's
brains, Apple would be the first company broken up as a result of that law.

So, you're astutely correct, IMHO, on two important factual assessments:
1. Due to MARKETING, Apple makes "ooodles" of profit margin indeed, and,
2. That profit margin is due to MARKETING "getting into people's heads".

The only place you're dead wrong is in me hating Apple, which I don't (I
buy plenty of Apple products and I only speak well cited facts about them).

I do hate that Apple MARKETING has bamboozled the dumber people which is
why I don't particularly trust disingenuous people like nospam & Jolly
Roger who sadistically send those innocent Apple users (one of whom was me,
years ago) on wild-goose chases that have absolutely no hope of fruition.

Why Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, and nospam brazenly
fabricate functionality for iOS that simply doesn't exist is beyond me.

What I hate are two things, you confuse with Apple (where I don't hate
Apple since they're simply manipulating what turns out to be a rather
ignorant customer base into spending a lot of money to allay their fears):

Apple customers are inherently afraid of almost everything out there
o Where MARKETING palliates their fears with glossy MARKETING messages

What I dislike are people like nospam making claims that simply waste
people's time, since his credibility is no better than that of the result
of a coin toss....

And what I dislike are people like Alan Baker, Jolly Roger, Lewis, et al.,
who claim that any and all facts about Apple products are "lies by liars".

I also dislike when Type II Apologists, of which you are one (IMHO), like
Steve Scharf claim repeatedly that the Qualcomm royalties went _down_ per
iPhone, when, in fact, they went up (by 130%) and then they're not man
enough to admit they can't even comprehend a news article correctly.

In summary, you should realize, by now, I speak, FACTS about Apple
products, where I speak facts about Windows, Linux, and Android products
also - but you apologists can't comprehend something that balanced.

What you fear is Windows, Android, etc., while what Android and Windows
users fear is _not_ Apple - not in the least (as you noted, in the sense of
Apple's lack of market dominance in _any_ category).

Notice it's always the Apple owners who react so "funnily", which I think
is simply due to their abject fear, where that fear is well known to Apple
MARKETING - who preys most on people who are the most driven insane by fear
(IMHO).

In short, you made two astute comments, but you don't understand that
someone who speaks facts about any operating system (whether that's
Windows, Linux, iOS, or Android), is simply stating facts.

You don't _like_ those facts perhaps...
o But the fact you don't like facts doesn't change the fact they're facts.

See also:
o *What to tell Apple Apologists who claim anyone who speaks facts is "down on Apple"*
(i.e., they conflict with Apple Marketing)?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/z7HCl4tm71E>
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Apple users are a cult which can't fathom anyone speaking facts about it.

[Your Name]

Apple is dominant in every market ... because the so-called competitors
are almost all hopeless crap and lazy copy-catters. :-p

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 09:35:51 +1200, Your Name wrote:

> Apple is dominant in every market ... because the so-called competitors
> are almost all hopeless crap and lazy copy-catters. :-p

The point is that Apple themselves claim they don't dominate any market.

"*Apple does not have a dominant position in any market*,
and we face strong competition in every category, in tablets,
wearables, desktop and notebook computers, maps, music,
payments, messaging, and more," he said."

While Google (Android) sucks in many ways, and while Microsoft (Windows)
sucks in many ways, and Canonical/RedHat (Linux) sucks in many ways, and
yes, even Apple (iOS/Mac) also sucks in many ways.... as for dominance:
o PC (desktop/tablet) dominance is, um, er, *Windows*, is it not?
o Mobile dominance is, um, er., *Android*, is it not?
o Server dominance is, um, er., *Linux*, is it not?

I'm not personally sure about the other stuff in the original Apple quote:
o tablets... who dominates?
o maps... it's got to be Google I would think, that dominates
o wearables... who dominates?
o music... who dominates?
o payments... who dominates?
o messaging... who dominates?
o "and more"... who dominates?
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This may be the first time in Apple's history they told the truth.

[Arlen Holder]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 22:48:20 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> o PC (desktop/tablet) dominance is, um, er, *Windows*, is it not?
> o Mobile dominance is, um, er., *Android*, is it not?
> o Server dominance is, um, er., *Linux*, is it not?

Correction.

PC dominance for desktop/laptop markets is clearly Windows.
o *I'm not sure who owns tablet dominance* (Android or iOS).

Since I'm all about facts, a quick look shows a flip flop over the years.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tablet+market+dominance>
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Bringing TRUTH to childish Apple newsgroups by simple application of fact.