How does iOS download an app twice WITHOUT the idiotic iCloud password?

[Andy Burnelli]

1. My iOS 13.5 iPad constantly asks for the iCloud Password.
2. I don't know it as I never used it except the day I opened the iPad.
3. For years, I just swipe away the request to type in that password.

Moving forward...
A. Today I downloaded & installed the *BarcodeEasy* app, by Mapnitude
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/barcodeeasy/id1095034404>
B. It "mostly" worked, but I denied it notifications so I deleted it
so that I could re-install it and this time I'd enable notifications.
C. When I tried to download it again, it would _only_ get the app
from the damn iCloud (which I don't want ever!) but worse, it
now _requires_ the iCloud password (which I don't know & never will).

Someone here must know iOS better than I do who can tell me how to download
this app again so that I can test it for the tutorial that I wrote today:
*Tutorial: How to create your own platform-portable ID card encrypted wallet*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/IsvWoLPw9pc>

How do you ensure that apps _never_ get stored on the damn shitty iCloud?

[Andy Burnelli]

It's a fair question of how when clearly what happened was:
a. I installed the app using the Apple App Store (sans need for login)
b. I deleted the app
c. I tried to re-install the app (but now Apple _requires_ a login!)

The appropriate question is _why_ does Apple _require_ that login?
And more importantly, what is the workaround without logging into Apple?

Screenshots I made for this thread just now to prove the point:
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> Apple fails App Store test
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwN6P0QR/appleid08.jpg> Only Apple requires a login
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
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NOTE: If this were Android, no login is required; nor for Windows 10.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 19:41:12 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Then why does the iPad pop this up _every_ time it wakes up, nospam?
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple iCloud is required
>
> because you refuse to provide a password.

Every sentence out of your mouth proves you completely lack education.
You can't understand even the _simplest_ of basic circumstances, nospam.

Such as:
1. I logged in once, years ago, and I _never_ want to log in again.
2. That worked fine, for years.
3. But recently, Apple has _required_ additional login actions

The fact is Apple unilaterally logged me out.
Why is Apple _forcing_ additional logins which no other OS requires?

> once you do that, it will stop asking.

The fact is Apple unilaterally logged me out.
Why is Apple _forcing_ additional logins which no other OS requires?

> unfortunately for you, you claim to have forgotten the password, as
> well as using a disposable email, making recovery not an option.
>
> this is entirely your own fault.
>
> you really are that stupid.

Apple is the only operating system I own that requires tracking me via a
mothership login that _none_ of my other devices ever need or neded, nospam.

Worse, Apple unilaterally (yes that's a big word for you, I know, but it
means Apple did it without asking me) logged me out of the iCloud.

Why did Apple log me out of the iCloud after a few years of use?
I don't know why.

Perhaps Apple did that to _force_ me to log in anew nospam.

The iCloud login worked for years, nospam.
Years.

Only recently, in the past two years, Apple has required repeated logins.
Why?

[Andy Burnelli]

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:51:09 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> For example, how do you use iOS without having to _constantly_
>> (forever!) keep logging into the Apple servers
>
> there is no need to constantly log in.

Then why does the iPad pop this up _every_ time it wakes up, nospam?
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple iCloud is required

> it appears you are confusing authenticating a download with logging in

The iPad is so crippled it _constantly_ requires you to log into the iCloud:

<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity

> of course, this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with messaging
> apps datamining user metadata.

Ah, but it does.

On Android, the default messaging apps work just fine without any login to
the mothership, nospam - yet - on the iPad, mothership login is required.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> iMessage & Facetime fail

[nospam]

In article <stvc26$1ont$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Android, the default messaging apps work just fine without any login to
> the mothership, nospam - yet - on the iPad, mothership login is required.

that claim is false.

you are very confused and blaming your failures on everything other
than yourself.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:55:38 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> On Android, the default messaging apps work just fine without any login to
>> the mothership, nospam - yet - on the iPad, mothership login is required.
>
> that claim is false.

Bullshit.

This nospam can be forgiven for making such false statements that _everyone_
knows to be untrue given nospam has no education at all.

Certainly nospam has _never_ even once used an Android messaging app.

FACT:
I have no google account on my phone & my messaging app works just fine.
<https://i.postimg.cc/NG5pHyBx/aurora10.jpg> No need for a Google Account

FACT:
The iMessage app _requires_ a login into the Mothership.

<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional

Why?
*Apple tracks you by that _forced_ login; Google can't.*

> you are very confused and blaming your failures on everything other
> than yourself.

You're so embarrassed by iOS' flaws and so ignorant about how iOS works
that you don't even realize Apple unilaterally _requires_ a _forced_ login.

It's likely you log into your phone all the time, nospam, but I don't want
to log into mine ever (except the day it is first set up and that's it).

Even _that_ I can skip on Android but iOS is crippled in terms of privacy.

What's happening is very simple, as Apple tracks you by your iCloud account.
*Apple is unilaterally _forcing_ periodic login into the iCloud.*

Everything Apple does, nospam, is sleazy, and this is one of their tricks.

[Andy Burnelli]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:55:36 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> 1. I logged in once, years ago, and I _never_ want to log in again.
>

> provide the password and it won't ask you anymore. very simple.

You don't seem to grasp any comprehension of the actual situation, nospam.
*"Please Update Your Apple ID Settings!*
*"Some account services _require_ you to sign in again!"*
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

Look at these screenshots I just made to explain this to you, nospam.
(BTW, do you know what "Raj. 7, 1443 AH" means?)
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jp> Apple tracking server login

I already told you that Apple _unilaterally_ logged me _out_ and I don't
have the password (and I never wanted a login in the first place).

The facts are (a) I don't want to _ever_ log into the Apple tracking
servers, but (b) I am being _forced_ to _periodically_ log into the Apple
tracking servers, which is something that Apple is _forcing_ upon users.

Look.
Look again, nospam.

Look at the message, nospam.
*"Some account services _require_ you to sign in again!"*

That's not me logging out, nospam.
That's Apple _unilaterally_ forcing us to periodically log in again.

You probably don't notice it because you probably log into the Apple
tracking servers all the time, nospam... But I don't ever want to do that.

I don't ever want to log in ever again to an Apple tracking server.
Yet, Apple unilaterally logged me out so now they're _forcing_ that login.

Android can't do that because Android works fine without a mothership login.
Of my devices, _only_ Apple _requires_ a tracking account on the mothership.

What's shocking is how _little_ you know about Apple's lack of privacy.

But my question is...
Why can't Apple let us have even basic privacy from their tracking servers?