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useapen
Feb 5, 2024, 3:24:58 AMFeb 5
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United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
duty.
This directive serves as a reinforcement of United's commitment to safety
and customer service, aiming to ensure that flight attendants remain alert
and ready to respond to any situation, thus prioritizing passengers'
welfare over personal screen time. A recent memo sent to flight attendants
is a direct warning with potentially severe consequences.
"Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
discipline up to and including termination," the memo states.
This rule underscores the airline's expectation for crew members to remain
approachable and courteous, ensuring that passengers always receive the
attentive service they expect and deserve.
Why United Airlines wants its flight attendants to put away their phones
The airline, in its communication to the flight crew, noted that attentive
service is not compatible with the distractions of personal devices. This
stance is underscored by the potential risks identified by United. A
distracted attendant could overlook a security incident, suffer or cause
injury during landing or even unintentionally deploy an evacuation slide.
United Airlines’ message to its flight crew: You’re always on duty
The measures United is taking reflect a broader industry trend,
emphasizing the professional image and readiness of flight attendants.
It's a reminder that the role of the flight crew extends beyond safety to
encompass the entire flying experience.
United's communication suggests the company's values and the expectation
of professionalism apply at all times, even when flight attendants are in
public view but not actively on duty.
Non-compliance could result in termination
To reinforce these standards, United has not hesitated to state the
consequences of non-compliance — disciplinary actions, up to and including
job termination. This strict approach indicates the seriousness with which
United views the customer experience and the safety environment onboard
their aircraft.
United strives to improve customer satisfaction
The airline's action is a step further in a series of efforts to enhance
customer satisfaction, including soliciting passenger feedback on crew
performance and implementing new service standards aimed at improving the
in-flight experience. From hanging coats in premium cabins to ensuring a
quiet atmosphere and offering pre-departure drinks, United is pushing for
a higher level of service.
United expects high standards from cabin crew
While United's cabin crew is known for its dedication and ability to
handle the rigors of a demanding job, the airline's latest policy serves
as a reminder of the high standards expected from them. United's message
is clear. The focus should always be on safety and service, and personal
devices should not distract from this mission.
United faces challenges amid labor issues
This policy comes at a critical time as airlines continue to recover from
the impacts of the pandemic and face ongoing labor negotiations. United's
firm stance is a signal the airline is committed to excellence in service
and is prepared to take the necessary steps to maintain and improve its
reputation among passengers. The airline's crew members are now more than
ever required to demonstrate their dedication to the company's ethos of
attentive and exceptional service.
Kurt's key takeaways
United Airlines has made a bold move by banning personal devices for
flight attendants, sending a clear message that safety and service are the
top priorities for the airline. While some may see this as a harsh or
restrictive policy, others may appreciate the professionalism and
attentiveness that it promotes. United is not alone in this trend. Other
airlines have also implemented similar rules or standards for their cabin
crew.
The question is, will this policy make a difference in the customer
experience and the safety environment onboard United’s flights? Will it
help United regain its reputation and trust among passengers, especially
after the challenges of the pandemic and the labor issues? Only time will
tell, but one thing is certain. United’s flight attendants have a lot of
responsibility and expectations on their shoulders, and they deserve our
respect and gratitude for their hard work.
Do you agree or disagree with United’s policy? Why or why not? Let us know
in the comments below. Let us know by writing us at Cyberguy.com/Contact
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
or-you-are-fired
flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
duty.
This directive serves as a reinforcement of United's commitment to safety
and customer service, aiming to ensure that flight attendants remain alert
and ready to respond to any situation, thus prioritizing passengers'
welfare over personal screen time. A recent memo sent to flight attendants
is a direct warning with potentially severe consequences.
"Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
discipline up to and including termination," the memo states.
This rule underscores the airline's expectation for crew members to remain
approachable and courteous, ensuring that passengers always receive the
attentive service they expect and deserve.
Why United Airlines wants its flight attendants to put away their phones
The airline, in its communication to the flight crew, noted that attentive
service is not compatible with the distractions of personal devices. This
stance is underscored by the potential risks identified by United. A
distracted attendant could overlook a security incident, suffer or cause
injury during landing or even unintentionally deploy an evacuation slide.
United Airlines’ message to its flight crew: You’re always on duty
The measures United is taking reflect a broader industry trend,
emphasizing the professional image and readiness of flight attendants.
It's a reminder that the role of the flight crew extends beyond safety to
encompass the entire flying experience.
United's communication suggests the company's values and the expectation
of professionalism apply at all times, even when flight attendants are in
public view but not actively on duty.
Non-compliance could result in termination
To reinforce these standards, United has not hesitated to state the
consequences of non-compliance — disciplinary actions, up to and including
job termination. This strict approach indicates the seriousness with which
United views the customer experience and the safety environment onboard
their aircraft.
United strives to improve customer satisfaction
The airline's action is a step further in a series of efforts to enhance
customer satisfaction, including soliciting passenger feedback on crew
performance and implementing new service standards aimed at improving the
in-flight experience. From hanging coats in premium cabins to ensuring a
quiet atmosphere and offering pre-departure drinks, United is pushing for
a higher level of service.
United expects high standards from cabin crew
While United's cabin crew is known for its dedication and ability to
handle the rigors of a demanding job, the airline's latest policy serves
as a reminder of the high standards expected from them. United's message
is clear. The focus should always be on safety and service, and personal
devices should not distract from this mission.
United faces challenges amid labor issues
This policy comes at a critical time as airlines continue to recover from
the impacts of the pandemic and face ongoing labor negotiations. United's
firm stance is a signal the airline is committed to excellence in service
and is prepared to take the necessary steps to maintain and improve its
reputation among passengers. The airline's crew members are now more than
ever required to demonstrate their dedication to the company's ethos of
attentive and exceptional service.
Kurt's key takeaways
United Airlines has made a bold move by banning personal devices for
flight attendants, sending a clear message that safety and service are the
top priorities for the airline. While some may see this as a harsh or
restrictive policy, others may appreciate the professionalism and
attentiveness that it promotes. United is not alone in this trend. Other
airlines have also implemented similar rules or standards for their cabin
crew.
The question is, will this policy make a difference in the customer
experience and the safety environment onboard United’s flights? Will it
help United regain its reputation and trust among passengers, especially
after the challenges of the pandemic and the labor issues? Only time will
tell, but one thing is certain. United’s flight attendants have a lot of
responsibility and expectations on their shoulders, and they deserve our
respect and gratitude for their hard work.
Do you agree or disagree with United’s policy? Why or why not? Let us know
in the comments below. Let us know by writing us at Cyberguy.com/Contact
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
or-you-are-fired
Jörg Lorenz
Feb 5, 2024, 4:07:38 AMFeb 5
to
On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
> duty.
> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
> duty.
> or-you-are-fired
Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)
Colour Sergeant Bourne
Feb 5, 2024, 8:35:39 AMFeb 5
to
On 2/5/24 4:07 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>> duty.
>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>> or-you-are-fired
>
> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>
Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>> duty.
>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>> or-you-are-fired
>
> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>
said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
to you and those of your ilk?
--
Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how
skilled a player you are, the pigeon is just going to knock over pieces,
crap on the board, and strut around like it’s victorious.
Alan Browne
Feb 5, 2024, 10:43:23 AMFeb 5
to
On 2024-02-05 08:35, Colour Sergeant Bourne wrote:
> On 2/5/24 4:07 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly
>>> directing
>>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>>> duty.
>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>>> or-you-are-fired
>>
>> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
>> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>>
> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra
Faux News is the correct spelling for well earned reasons. Although
> On 2/5/24 4:07 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly
>>> directing
>>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>>> duty.
>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>>> or-you-are-fired
>>
>> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
>> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>>
> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra
they do get kudos for:
- Shep Smith revealing the right wing lies about Uranium One (lies
propagated by Faux News), and
- calling the 2020 election result for Arizona (enraging the right for
not lying about things as Faux News is programmed to do).
Of course Shep Smith had to leave Faux after that - if you can't sing
from the company Faux News Hymn book, you're not a Faux News Man.
Can't wait to see them lose in court against Smartmatic and getting
seriously dinged. Hopefully, unlike Dominion, Smartmatic will hold
their feet to the fire through the end.
--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.
micky
Feb 5, 2024, 12:07:45 PMFeb 5
to
In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC), useapen
the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
<your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>"Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>
>"Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
Mr. B1ack
Feb 5, 2024, 12:11:16 PMFeb 5
to
On 2/5/2024 12:24 AM, useapen wrote:
> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
> duty.
That's a good move. Even if flight attendants aren't actively doing anything
> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
> duty.
regarding the flight, their attention should not be distracted.
micky
Feb 5, 2024, 12:15:53 PMFeb 5
to
In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour
keep track of how well they do on sports, transportation, consumer
issues, weather.)
Anyhow,
https://viewfromthewing.com/united-airlines-gives-flight-attendants-ultimatum-quit-playing-with-your-phones-or-youre-fired/
says the same thing.
>> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>>
>Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>to you and those of your ilk?
No. I and others don't like fxnews because when it suits them they lie.
That's why they have to pay 780 Million dollars, Million!, to Dominion
Voting Machines, for knowingly lying about them. Texts and voicemails
by high-ranking officers, employees, and on-air personalities show
undeniably that they knew what they said about Dominion was false and
they kept saying it.
>--
>Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how
>skilled a player you are, the pigeon is just going to knock over pieces,
>crap on the board, and strut around like it’s victorious.
Arguing with "conservatives" and trumpies is just like this.
Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>On 2/5/24 4:07 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
>>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>>> duty.
>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>>> or-you-are-fired
>>
>> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
If its not politics, I would not rate it that low. (Although I don't
>On 2/5/24 4:07 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
>>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>>> duty.
>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>>> or-you-are-fired
>>
>> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
keep track of how well they do on sports, transportation, consumer
issues, weather.)
Anyhow,
https://viewfromthewing.com/united-airlines-gives-flight-attendants-ultimatum-quit-playing-with-your-phones-or-youre-fired/
says the same thing.
>> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>>
>Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>to you and those of your ilk?
That's why they have to pay 780 Million dollars, Million!, to Dominion
Voting Machines, for knowingly lying about them. Texts and voicemails
by high-ranking officers, employees, and on-air personalities show
undeniably that they knew what they said about Dominion was false and
they kept saying it.
>--
>Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how
>skilled a player you are, the pigeon is just going to knock over pieces,
>crap on the board, and strut around like it’s victorious.
Alan Browne
Feb 5, 2024, 1:38:24 PMFeb 5
to
Governor Swill
Feb 5, 2024, 10:55:17 PMFeb 5
to
>Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>to you and those of your ilk?
It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
>said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>to you and those of your ilk?
a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
Swill
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Governor Swill
Feb 5, 2024, 11:01:25 PMFeb 5
to
Colour Sergeant Bourne
Feb 6, 2024, 8:47:37 AMFeb 6
to
evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
Fox ;-)
--
Because we're here lad. Nobody else. Just us.
Jörg Lorenz
Feb 6, 2024, 11:18:05 AMFeb 6
to
Am 05.02.24 um 14:35 schrieb Colour Sergeant Bourne:
Dollars because of fake news lies and a lot more. So simple.
> On 2/5/24 4:07 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
>>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>>> duty.
>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>>> or-you-are-fired
>>
>> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
>> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>>
> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
> to you and those of your ilk?
This so called news channel had to pay already hundreds of million of
>> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
>>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>>> duty.
>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>>> or-you-are-fired
>>
>> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
>> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>>
> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
> to you and those of your ilk?
Dollars because of fake news lies and a lot more. So simple.
Jörg Lorenz
Feb 6, 2024, 11:27:40 AMFeb 6
to
Am 05.02.24 um 18:07 schrieb micky:
The plane would have landed safely.
N.B.: All the Red Neck x-posting-groups deleted.
N.B.: All the Red Neck x-posting-groups deleted.
Chris
Feb 6, 2024, 1:41:55 PMFeb 6
to
Gronk
Feb 6, 2024, 11:37:36 PMFeb 6
to
Governor Swill wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>
>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>> to you and those of your ilk?
>
> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
+10
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>
>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>> to you and those of your ilk?
>
> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
Gronk
Feb 6, 2024, 11:38:46 PMFeb 6
to
Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC), useapen
>> <your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>
>> I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>> plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>
> I'd call that an edge case.
>
I'd also call that desperate and MADE UP.
> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC), useapen
>> <your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>
>> I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>> plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>
> I'd call that an edge case.
>
Governor Swill
Feb 7, 2024, 4:33:23 AMFeb 7
to
On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:47:35 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>On 2/5/24 10:55 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>>
>>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>>> to you and those of your ilk?
>>
>> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
>> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
>On 2/5/24 10:55 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>>
>>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>>> to you and those of your ilk?
>>
>> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
>> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
>Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>Fox ;-)
Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>Fox ;-)
Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
Governor Swill
Feb 7, 2024, 4:37:22 AMFeb 7
to
>On 2/5/24 4:07 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
>>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>>> duty.
>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>>> or-you-are-fired
>>
>> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
>> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>>
>Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>to you and those of your ilk?
No, he said it correctly. Fox has zero cred. The MSM retracts when found to be factually
>> On 05.02.24 09:24, useapen wrote:
>>> United Airlines has sharpened its onboard protocols, explicitly directing
>>> flight attendants to steer clear of personal electronic devices while on
>>> duty.
>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/united-to-flight-attendants-put-away-phone-
>>> or-you-are-fired
>>
>> Fox as a source has *zero credibility*.
>> Nevertheless United puts the passenger first. Nothing to complain about.
>>
>Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>to you and those of your ilk?
incorrect. Fox doubles down which turns its incorrect facts into lies.
Governor Swill
Feb 7, 2024, 9:02:09 AMFeb 7
to
micky
Feb 7, 2024, 9:40:48 AMFeb 7
to
In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:02:05 -0500, Governor
>
>Swill
Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:38:43 -0700, Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC), useapen
>>>> <your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>>>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>>>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>>>
>>>> I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>>>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>>>> plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
>>>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>>>
>>> I'd call that an edge case.
>>>
>>
>>I'd also call that desperate and MADE UP.
>
>I'm thinking it was sarcasm.
+1
>On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:38:43 -0700, Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC), useapen
>>>> <your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>>>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>>>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>>>
>>>> I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>>>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>>>> plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
>>>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>>>
>>> I'd call that an edge case.
>>>
>>
>>I'd also call that desperate and MADE UP.
>
>I'm thinking it was sarcasm.
>
>Swill
micky
Feb 7, 2024, 9:44:03 AMFeb 7
to
In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 04:33:19 -0500, Governor
just cartoons or something and the tv is on constantly even though no
one is watching it. It's more the lack of peace and quiet than the
waste of electricity, because afaik even the large screens don't use
much electricity.
>
>Swill
Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>Fox ;-)
>
>Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>
>Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
That would be terrible. But I don't even like it when the program is
>
>>Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>Fox ;-)
>
>Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>
>Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
just cartoons or something and the tv is on constantly even though no
one is watching it. It's more the lack of peace and quiet than the
waste of electricity, because afaik even the large screens don't use
much electricity.
>
>Swill
Alan Browne
Feb 7, 2024, 10:25:21 AMFeb 7
to
Alan Browne
Feb 7, 2024, 10:30:20 AMFeb 7
to
On 2024-02-07 09:02, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:38:43 -0700, Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC), useapen
>>>> <your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>>>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>>>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>>>
>>>> I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>>>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>>>> plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
>>>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>>>
>>> I'd call that an edge case.
>>>
>>
>> I'd also call that desperate and MADE UP.
>
> I'm thinking it was sarcasm.
Because you're infected with the ability to think. Others seem immune
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:38:43 -0700, Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC), useapen
>>>> <your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not permitted
>>>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to performance
>>>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>>>
>>>> I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>>>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>>>> plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it. What
>>>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>>>
>>> I'd call that an edge case.
>>>
>>
>> I'd also call that desperate and MADE UP.
>
> I'm thinking it was sarcasm.
to it.
I didn't mean to be sarcastic, actually, just a funny retort to a funny
bit by mickey.
Alan Browne
Feb 7, 2024, 10:32:50 AMFeb 7
to
On 2024-02-07 04:33, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:47:35 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>
>> On 2/5/24 10:55 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>>>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>>>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>>>> to you and those of your ilk?
>>>
>>> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
>>> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
>
>> Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>> evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>> Fox ;-)
>
> Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>
> Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
> Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
> I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
I have a friend who can't stand not having a radio playing all day.
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:47:35 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>
>> On 2/5/24 10:55 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>>>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>>>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>>>> to you and those of your ilk?
>>>
>>> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
>>> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
>
>> Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>> evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>> Fox ;-)
>
> Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>
> Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
> Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
> I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
News mainly.
He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
Governor Swill
Feb 7, 2024, 11:16:49 AMFeb 7
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heat. It feels warm at the top but that's because the heat is spread out over a large
area. A flat panel is going to emit at least as much waste heat as a 100watt light bulb.
That adds up.
Brother and sister in law are staying here while their house is being remodeled. They
have four dogs. The have an aquarium screen saver built into their Roku box. They leave
it on when they leave the house. They never turn out lights until bedtime. I've shivered
wearing a sweater because the keep the AC temp set so low.
I find the sheer waste of it offensive.
Governor Swill
Feb 7, 2024, 11:17:54 AMFeb 7
to
micky
Feb 7, 2024, 12:45:40 PMFeb 7
to
In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 11:16:46 -0500, Governor
>Brother and sister in law are staying here while their house is being remodeled. They
>have four dogs. The have an aquarium screen saver built into their Roku box. They leave
>it on when they leave the house.
That's bad.
> They never turn out lights until bedtime.
That's bad too.
>I've shivered
>wearing a sweater because the keep the AC temp set so low.
That's worse.
Was your brother raised in the same home that you were? Is this his
wife's way of doing things.
>I find the sheer waste of it offensive.
BGE sends out letters every once in a while and except once, I'm way
lower than the average of households that don't use much. Part of that
is that I live alone, but not most of it.
>
>Swill
Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:44:07 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>>In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 04:33:19 -0500, Governor
>>Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>>>evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>>>Fox ;-)
>>>
>>>Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>>>
>>>Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>>>Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>>>I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
>>
>>That would be terrible. But I don't even like it when the program is
>>just cartoons or something and the tv is on constantly even though no
>>one is watching it. It's more the lack of peace and quiet than the
>>waste of electricity, because afaik even the large screens don't use
>>much electricity.
>
>I would argue that last with you. Even the most efficient flat panels exhaust a lot of
>heat. It feels warm at the top but that's because the heat is spread out over a large
>area. A flat panel is going to emit at least as much waste heat as a 100watt light bulb.
>That adds up.
Certainly does. You've convinced me.
>On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:44:07 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>>In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 07 Feb 2024 04:33:19 -0500, Governor
>>Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>>>evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>>>Fox ;-)
>>>
>>>Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>>>
>>>Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>>>Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>>>I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
>>
>>That would be terrible. But I don't even like it when the program is
>>just cartoons or something and the tv is on constantly even though no
>>one is watching it. It's more the lack of peace and quiet than the
>>waste of electricity, because afaik even the large screens don't use
>>much electricity.
>
>I would argue that last with you. Even the most efficient flat panels exhaust a lot of
>heat. It feels warm at the top but that's because the heat is spread out over a large
>area. A flat panel is going to emit at least as much waste heat as a 100watt light bulb.
>That adds up.
>Brother and sister in law are staying here while their house is being remodeled. They
>have four dogs. The have an aquarium screen saver built into their Roku box. They leave
>it on when they leave the house.
> They never turn out lights until bedtime.
>I've shivered
>wearing a sweater because the keep the AC temp set so low.
Was your brother raised in the same home that you were? Is this his
wife's way of doing things.
>I find the sheer waste of it offensive.
lower than the average of households that don't use much. Part of that
is that I live alone, but not most of it.
>
>Swill
micky
Feb 7, 2024, 12:49:26 PMFeb 7
to
In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:32:47 -0500, Alan Browne
I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
not sure.
<bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>On 2024-02-07 04:33, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:47:35 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/5/24 10:55 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>>>>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>>>>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>>>>> to you and those of your ilk?
>>>>
>>>> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
>>>> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
>>
>>> Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>> evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>> Fox ;-)
>>
>> Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>>
>> Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>> Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>> I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
>
>I have a friend who can't stand not having a radio playing all day.
>News mainly.
I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>On 2024-02-07 04:33, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 08:47:35 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/5/24 10:55 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:35:37 -0500, Colour Sergeant Bourne <bou...@rorke.za> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ummm, wouldn't it have actually been more accurate if you had simply
>>>>> said that you don't like Fox News because they don't parrot the
>>>>> mainstream media's disingenuous liberal mantra which is oh so comforting
>>>>> to you and those of your ilk?
>>>>
>>>> It would be even more accurate to say there are 787 million pieces of evidence that Fox is
>>>> a bunch greedy, lying assholes.
>>
>>> Not to quibble, but I fear you've confused who those many pieces of
>>> evidence point toward. It's your friends, family and co-workers-- not
>>> Fox ;-)
>>
>> Then maybe they should donate to Fox to help pay it off. ;)
>>
>> Mom after a family reunion trip: "I spent the last weekend with Aida and Duke in North
>> Carolina. First thing in the morning the turn on Fox news and it stays on day and night.
>> I couldn't wait to get out of that house!"
>
>I have a friend who can't stand not having a radio playing all day.
>News mainly.
I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
not sure.
Governor Swill
Feb 8, 2024, 12:54:21 AMFeb 8
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turning up the AC and turning down the heat. One brother uses his crew cab full sized
truck as a commuter vehicle and became unglued last week because he lent it to somebody
and they scratched the bed liner. The other brother is retired and he also drives a crew
cab full size truck. They wash dishes under running taps before loading them in the
dishwasher. Sister in law does a 4-5 loads of laundry a week for two adults and four
little yap yap dogs.
Why?
Governor Swill
Feb 8, 2024, 12:58:00 AMFeb 8
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>
>And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>
>>He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>
>I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>not sure.
My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>
>And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>
>>He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>
>I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>not sure.
than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
Alan Browne
Feb 8, 2024, 9:37:55 AMFeb 8
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On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>
>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>
>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>
>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>> not sure.
>
> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>
> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>
>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>
>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>
>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>> not sure.
>
> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>
> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
1) Quebec is near 100% renewable energy, and it's cheap (6.5¢ / kWh
base; 10¢ / kWh for everything above 40 kWh/day (averaged over ~60 days).
2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.
3) M3 iMac sleep power is less than 1 watt. i7 iMac is a couple watts.
Even shutdown a computer draws power unless unplugged - though we're
talking low fractions of a watt.
Governor Swill
Feb 8, 2024, 12:39:54 PMFeb 8
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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:37:52 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>
>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>
>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>
>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>> not sure.
>>
>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>
>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>
>Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>
>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>
>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>
>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>> not sure.
>>
>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>
>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>
>Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
updating. That's bad practice.
>1) Quebec is near 100% renewable energy, and it's cheap (6.5¢ / kWh
>base; 10¢ / kWh for everything above 40 kWh/day (averaged over ~60 days).
weren't wasting it.
>2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
>zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.
>3) M3 iMac sleep power is less than 1 watt. i7 iMac is a couple watts.
>
>Even shutdown a computer draws power unless unplugged - though we're
>talking low fractions of a watt.
Alan Browne
Feb 8, 2024, 1:35:56 PMFeb 8
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On 2024-02-08 12:39, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:37:52 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>>
>>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>>
>>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>>> not sure.
>>>
>>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>>
>>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>>
>> Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
>
> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
> updating. That's bad practice.
Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:37:52 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>>
>>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>>
>>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>>> not sure.
>>>
>>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>>
>>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>>
>> Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
>
> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
> updating. That's bad practice.
of no real consequence.
Other than the OS - updated programs rarely need the computer to be
re-booted. Haven't seen that in a long time actually.
>> 1) Quebec is near 100% renewable energy, and it's cheap (6.5¢ / kWh
>> base; 10¢ / kWh for everything above 40 kWh/day (averaged over ~60 days).
>
> That's no excuse to be wasteful. That renewable energy could be shared with others if you
> weren't wasting it.
other than select mornings or evenings (when we get e-mailed entreaties
from HQ to reduce demand - so we do reduce heating and get a bonus paid
to us for that reduced demand. Furnace runs at 20 kW ... that is
significant when it is left off.
Indeed the utility encourages high use of power just before the peak
demand period - so one could pre-heat the house to (say) 22°C before
06:00 and coast on that for a few hours. I don't bother - I can stand
18°C or even 17°C for a couple hours in the morning...).
summary: electricity I use in normal times is not in demand elsewhere.
If I had the right sort of fireplace (a woodstove in the basement) I'd
knock off a couple cords of wood / year - but that's relatively
expensive if you don't own a few acres of suitable hardwood to harvest from.
>> 2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
>> zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.
>
> What about the rest of the year?
amount to a few kWh.
As an aside our utility has tools to evaluate our usage v. "peer"
households (adjusted to size, number of people, heating system,
appliances, etc. and so on). We' re consistently 20%+ lower energy
users than out peers.
Alan
Feb 8, 2024, 2:23:45 PMFeb 8
to
On 2024-02-08 09:39, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:37:52 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>>
>>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>>
>>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>>> not sure.
>>>
>>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>>
>>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>>
>> Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
>
> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
> updating. That's bad practice.
No, you're not.
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:37:52 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 00:57, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 12:49:30 -0500, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wrong on the flat-screen tv, but a radio must not use much at all.
>>>> I've not checked, but they used to have transistors that would play for
>>>> hours or days on a 9-volt battery, so I assume they don't use much.
>>>>
>>>> And I too have the radio on about 85% of the time. News mainly. And
>>>> the tv about 5% of the time, when I eat. 60's reruns.
>>>>
>>>>> He's miffed when I'm over at his place and we're puttering on a car or
>>>>> something and I ask him to turn off the radio.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I'd be miffed but it's so long since I've had company, I'm
>>>> not sure.
>>>
>>> My computer is on most of the day but only when I'm in front of it. I shutdown rather
>>> than sleep it when I'm done with it. I don't use TV or radio, I stream everything.
>>>
>>> In customer service I'm astounded at how many people never do a shutdown. They don't seem
>>> to get that the machine still uses energy in sleep mode.
>>
>> Always sleep the computer. Up to 60 days before re-boots.
>
> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
> updating. That's bad practice.
Applications can update without rebooting and needing to reboot is an
entirely different reason.
Shutting down the computer for 60 days absolutely blocks anything from
being updated.
>
>> 1) Quebec is near 100% renewable energy, and it's cheap (6.5¢ / kWh
>> base; 10¢ / kWh for everything above 40 kWh/day (averaged over ~60 days).
>
> That's no excuse to be wasteful. That renewable energy could be shared with others if you
> weren't wasting it.
much energy?
And having a computer wake from sleep means it is more useful to me.
>
>> 2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
>> zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.
>
> What about the rest of the year?
It's minuscule. Irrelevant.
>> 2) In the winter waste heat from the computer goes to the house, so it's
>> zero energy cost/impact from about Nov to mid April.
>
> What about the rest of the year?
Don't be so ridiculous.
Governor Swill
Feb 8, 2024, 6:59:48 PMFeb 8
to
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>> updating. That's bad practice.
>
>Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>of no real consequence.
I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>> updating. That's bad practice.
>
>Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>of no real consequence.
the US does.
Alan
Feb 8, 2024, 7:06:37 PMFeb 8
to
On 2024-02-08 15:59, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>
>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>> of no real consequence.
>
> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
> the US does.
Windows for anywhere doesn't update at all...
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>
>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>> of no real consequence.
>
> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
> the US does.
...when the computer is shutdown.
Governor Swill
Feb 9, 2024, 8:16:35 AMFeb 9
to
Alan Browne
Feb 9, 2024, 8:52:46 AMFeb 9
to
On 2024-02-08 18:59, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>
>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>> of no real consequence.
>
> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
> the US does.
Windows? Don't use that.
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>
>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>> of no real consequence.
>
> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
> the US does.
Please correct your signature and add a space character after the two
dashes. This will tell news readers where to correctly truncate your
(excessively long) signature.
That is replace the line that has "--" with "-- " [AAA] below.
>
> Swill
> -- <--- [AAA]
> The Cold War then and now:
Alan
Feb 9, 2024, 2:26:45 PMFeb 9
to
On 2024-02-09 05:16, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 16:06:35 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 15:59, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>>>
>>>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>>>> of no real consequence.
>>>
>>> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
>>> the US does.
>>
>> Windows for anywhere doesn't update at all...
>>
>> ...when the computer is shutdown.
>
> I see you don't know a lot about Windows either.
By all means... ...educate me:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 16:06:35 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 15:59, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:35:53 -0500, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and other programs from
>>>>> updating. That's bad practice.
>>>>
>>>> Only if there are actually OS updates - 95% of which are incremental and
>>>> of no real consequence.
>>>
>>> I forgot you were in Canada. Windows for Canadians doesn't update weekly like Windows for
>>> the US does.
>>
>> Windows for anywhere doesn't update at all...
>>
>> ...when the computer is shutdown.
>
> I see you don't know a lot about Windows either.
How does your computer run updates to Windows...
...while it is shutdown?
Governor Swill
Feb 9, 2024, 7:02:45 PMFeb 9
to
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>By all means... ...educate me:
>
>How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>
>...while it is shutdown?
It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>By all means... ...educate me:
>
>How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>
>...while it is shutdown?
shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
Damn, you're dumb!
Swill
--
"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority
Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/
Alan
Feb 9, 2024, 7:18:20 PMFeb 9
to
On 2024-02-09 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>
>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>
>> ...while it is shutdown?
>
> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
And you can be INFORMED that an update is waiting...
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>
>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>
>> ...while it is shutdown?
>
> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
...in fact, ARE INFORMED unless you've taken steps to disable the
notifications...
...so you can simply restart when you are informed that there is an
update waiting.
So choosing to sleep your computer most of the time has ZERO impact on
getting your updates done.
Governor Swill
Feb 10, 2024, 5:12:14 AMFeb 10
to
Alan Browne
Feb 10, 2024, 9:26:08 AMFeb 10
to
On 2024-02-09 19:02, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>
>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>
>> ...while it is shutdown?
>
> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
I've never seen it happen, but I recall people complaining that just as
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>
>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>
>> ...while it is shutdown?
>
> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
they've setup their presentation, and people wander into the room just
on time for the 10:00, greet people, a few remarks, and then turn down
the lights a notch, ...
... everyone gets to see the Windows machine go into a reset/re-start OS
update that can't be stopped.
Is that still an issue?
Alan
Feb 10, 2024, 11:32:17 AMFeb 10
to
On 2024-02-10 02:12, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 16:18:17 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-09 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>>>
>>>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>>>
>>>> ...while it is shutdown?
>>>
>>> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>>> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
>>
>> And you can be INFORMED that an update is waiting...
>>
>> ...in fact, ARE INFORMED unless you've taken steps to disable the
>> notifications...
>>
>> ...so you can simply restart when you are informed that there is an
>> update waiting.
>>
>> So choosing to sleep your computer most of the time has ZERO impact on
>> getting your updates done.
>
> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 16:18:17 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-09 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>>>
>>>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>>>
>>>> ...while it is shutdown?
>>>
>>> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>>> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
>>
>> And you can be INFORMED that an update is waiting...
>>
>> ...in fact, ARE INFORMED unless you've taken steps to disable the
>> notifications...
>>
>> ...so you can simply restart when you are informed that there is an
>> update waiting.
>>
>> So choosing to sleep your computer most of the time has ZERO impact on
>> getting your updates done.
>
> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
Not really a problem for me.
;-)
micky
Feb 10, 2024, 8:31:00 PMFeb 10
to
In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:26:05 -0500, Alan Browne
each day when there won't be any updates.
that doesn't work well for me because I sleep and work odd hours.
But another guy wrote a short program t hat constantly changes the 12
hour period so I am always in the 3rd hour of it, with 9 hours to go. So
now it never restarts except when I let it.
Sometimes the computer slows down and I need to restart it. Usually I
check for windows updates before I do. I download them and let them
update during restart if that is what they need.
I go about a week between restarts, but I'm willing to go much longer
when it doesn't give me trouble, like slowness. (The other day, for the
first time ever, alt-tab didn't work! Restarting fixed that.)
<bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>On 2024-02-09 19:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>>
>>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>>
>>> ...while it is shutdown?
>>
>> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
>
>I've never seen it happen, but I recall people complaining that just as
>they've setup their presentation, and people wander into the room just
>on time for the 10:00, greet people, a few remarks, and then turn down
>the lights a notch, ...
>
>... everyone gets to see the Windows machine go into a reset/re-start OS
>update that can't be stopped.
>
>Is that still an issue?
last I heard the status is this: MS let you chooose a 12-hour period
>On 2024-02-09 19:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:26:42 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> By all means... ...educate me:
>>>
>>> How does your computer run updates to Windows...
>>>
>>> ...while it is shutdown?
>>
>> It downloads and prepares updates at any time it is running. Most updates require a
>> shutdown or restart. If you don't shutdown or restart, Windows won't update.
>
>I've never seen it happen, but I recall people complaining that just as
>they've setup their presentation, and people wander into the room just
>on time for the 10:00, greet people, a few remarks, and then turn down
>the lights a notch, ...
>
>... everyone gets to see the Windows machine go into a reset/re-start OS
>update that can't be stopped.
>
>Is that still an issue?
each day when there won't be any updates.
that doesn't work well for me because I sleep and work odd hours.
But another guy wrote a short program t hat constantly changes the 12
hour period so I am always in the 3rd hour of it, with 9 hours to go. So
now it never restarts except when I let it.
Sometimes the computer slows down and I need to restart it. Usually I
check for windows updates before I do. I download them and let them
update during restart if that is what they need.
I go about a week between restarts, but I'm willing to go much longer
when it doesn't give me trouble, like slowness. (The other day, for the
first time ever, alt-tab didn't work! Restarting fixed that.)
Governor Swill
Feb 10, 2024, 8:49:34 PMFeb 10
to
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>
>'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>
>Not really a problem for me.
>
>;-)
You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>
>'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>
>Not really a problem for me.
>
>;-)
experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
machines is users who never shut it down.
Swill
--
"Trump has erased the assumption that credibility is a nice thing to have."
- David Brooks
Alan
Feb 11, 2024, 2:36:59 AMFeb 11
to
On 2024-02-10 17:49, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>>
>> 'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>>
>> Not really a problem for me.
>>
>> ;-)
>
> You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
> experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
> machines is users who never shut it down.
You missed what I meant.
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>>
>> 'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>>
>> Not really a problem for me.
>>
>> ;-)
>
> You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
> experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
> machines is users who never shut it down.
I use an OS that works better than that.
Governor Swill
Feb 11, 2024, 8:43:28 AMFeb 11
to
Governor Swill
Feb 11, 2024, 8:45:40 AMFeb 11
to
let it update immediately. Five minute coffee break and I don't have to worry about
security patches being up to date.
Swill
--
"Trump has erased the assumption that credibility is a nice thing to have."
- David Brooks
Alan
Feb 11, 2024, 12:16:56 PMFeb 11
to
On 2024-02-11 05:43, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:36:56 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-10 17:49, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>>>>
>>>> 'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>>>>
>>>> Not really a problem for me.
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
>>> experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
>>> machines is users who never shut it down.
>>
>> You missed what I meant.
>>
>> I use an OS that works better than that.
>
> Then why are you butting into a conversation about an OS you don't use?
The discussion was about whether or not it was better to have your
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:36:56 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-10 17:49, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 08:32:14 -0800, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/stop-your-computer-from-randomly-waking-up-from-sleep-mode>
>>>>
>>>> 'Here's how to make sure your Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC stays asleep.'
>>>>
>>>> Not really a problem for me.
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> You're an experienced Windows user. Not everybody is. I have over twenty years
>>> experience troubleshooting Windows and one common thread I've found in broken/infected
>>> machines is users who never shut it down.
>>
>> You missed what I meant.
>>
>> I use an OS that works better than that.
>
> Then why are you butting into a conversation about an OS you don't use?
computer sleep or shut it down...
...for energy savings:
'If you're going that long between reboots, you're blocking the OS and
other programs from
updating. That's bad practice.
...
updating. That's bad practice.
That's no excuse to be wasteful. That renewable energy could be shared
Do you see Windows mentioned in there?
Alan
Feb 11, 2024, 12:18:27 PMFeb 11
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Gronk
Feb 12, 2024, 12:59:03 AMFeb 12
to
Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-02-07 09:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:38:43 -0700, Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
>>>>> useapen
>>>>> <your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not
>>>>>> permitted
>>>>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>>>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to
>>>>>> performance
>>>>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>>>>
>>>>> I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>>>>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>>>>> plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it.
>>>>> What
>>>>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>>>>
>>>> I'd call that an edge case.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd also call that desperate and MADE UP.
>>
>> I'm thinking it was sarcasm.
>
> Because you're infected with the ability to think. Others seem immune
> to it.
>
> I didn't mean to be sarcastic, actually, just a funny retort to a funny
> bit by mickey.
It's the sort of desperate and made up thing magats bleat, along
with microchips in mayonaise or Hugo Chavez stealing the election.
> On 2024-02-07 09:02, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 21:38:43 -0700, Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-05 12:07, micky wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 08:24:55 -0000 (UTC),
>>>>> useapen
>>>>> <your...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Use of a personal electronic device and/or accessories is not
>>>>>> permitted
>>>>>> while customers are on board the aircraft, with the exception of crew
>>>>>> rest. ... Any crewmember found in violation will be subject to
>>>>>> performance
>>>>>> discipline up to and including termination," the memo states
>>>>>
>>>>> I have doubts if this is a good idea. I was on a United AL flight and
>>>>> the flight attendant read on Yahoo News a Breaking News story that our
>>>>> plane was crashing. She notified the pilot and he took care of it.
>>>>> What
>>>>> would have happened if she weren't using her phone?
>>>>
>>>> I'd call that an edge case.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd also call that desperate and MADE UP.
>>
>> I'm thinking it was sarcasm.
>
> Because you're infected with the ability to think. Others seem immune
> to it.
>
> I didn't mean to be sarcastic, actually, just a funny retort to a funny
> bit by mickey.
It's the sort of desperate and made up thing magats bleat, along
with microchips in mayonaise or Hugo Chavez stealing the election.
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