saved wifi networks

[badgolferman]

How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my iPhone 7
and delete them. I don’t want any connecting if I get within range.

[Lewis]

In message <q4ke6l$ra3$1...@news.albasani.net> badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my iPhone 7

You cannot.

> and delete them. I don’t want any connecting if I get within range.

Reset the network settings, that will remove all wifi networks.

Settings > General > Reset > Reset Network Settings

If you have wifi networks on another device that is on the same iCloud
account, the wifi settings will resync.

--
Cecil is made of blood and unfinished leather

[Jolly Roger]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <q4ke6l$ra3$1...@news.albasani.net> badgolferman
> <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my iPhone 7
>
> You cannot.

You can on your Mac though, where they are synchronized; and you can delete
them there as well.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Lewis]

In message <gd6k8g...@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <q4ke6l$ra3$1...@news.albasani.net> badgolferman
>> <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my iPhone 7
>>
>> You cannot.

> You can on your Mac though, where they are synchronized; and you can delete
> them there as well.

Yep. That's what I do.


--
"Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand kicked 200,000 Jews out of Spain, one
of the first acts of the Spanish Inquisition, which no one ever expects
" -- John Carroll's 21st Annual Xmas Quiz answers

[badgolferman]

Lewis wrote:

>> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my
>>iPhone 7
>
>You cannot.

I figured as much. Other than "it's not needed", is there a good
reason this functionality doesn't exist? All other operating systems
I've used allow selective deleting of WiFi profiles. One can amass
public WiFi connections or even old dead ones they don't want anymore.
Resetting all network settings seems like using a sledgehammer when
only a couple taps would work.

[Lewis]

In message <xn0lqfzvb...@reader.albasani.net> badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lewis wrote:

>>> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my
>>>iPhone 7
>>
>>You cannot.

> I figured as much. Other than "it's not needed", is there a good
> reason this functionality doesn't exist?

You'd have to ask Apple, but I suspect it is "Because less than 0.1% of
users will care and 93.5% of user will be confused."

> All other operating systems I've used allow selective deleting of WiFi
> profiles. One can amass public WiFi connections or even old dead ones
> they don't want anymore.

So? They don't hurt anything.

> Resetting all network settings seems like using a sledgehammer when
> only a couple taps would work.

You can use a Mac if you really care.

--
I AM NOT A 32 YEAR OLD WOMAN Bart chalkboard Ep. 7F08

[JF Mezei]

Not needed?

The city bus I take takes the highway. Lately, I got warnings about
invalid passowrd for a wi-fi used by intercity bu I took a few years ago.

So as this bus likely passed us (or vice versa, my iphone tried to
automatically connect and failed due to old password, causing an
annoying alert on my phone.

From a privacy point of view, one should be able to delete previously
visited wi-fi networks that you don't want in your profile.

[Lewis]

In message <PvGbE.32741$NV.2...@fx42.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Not needed?

Nope.

> The city bus I take takes the highway. Lately, I got warnings about
> invalid passowrd for a wi-fi used by intercity bu I took a few years ago.

> So as this bus likely passed us (or vice versa, my iphone tried to
> automatically connect and failed due to old password, causing an
> annoying alert on my phone.

"Forget this network"

> From a privacy point of view, one should be able to delete previously
> visited wi-fi networks that you don't want in your profile.

And you can.

--
Transvestite: A guy who likes to eat, drink and be Mary.

[Chris]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> Not needed?
>
> The city bus I take takes the highway. Lately, I got warnings about
> invalid passowrd for a wi-fi used by intercity bu I took a few years ago.
>
> So as this bus likely passed us (or vice versa, my iphone tried to
> automatically connect and failed due to old password, causing an
> annoying alert on my phone.

When you're in range of a known Wi-Fi network you can "forget this network"
in Wi-Fi settings. Connecting to it is not required.

> From a privacy point of view, one should be able to delete previously
> visited wi-fi networks that you don't want in your profile.

I agree, but your use case is fixable.

[arlen holder]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:17:57 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

> You'd have to ask Apple, but I suspect it is "Because less than 0.1% of
> users will care and 93.5% of user will be confused."

FACTS + LOGIC:

I disagree with Lewis' assessment that 93.5% of Apple users would be
confused by something as simple as a saved Wi-Fi access point listing.

Why would any adult of normal intelligence be even remotely confused by
something _that_ trivially simple?

Certainly, Android users are assumed to be far more capable, when,
for example, native on my $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus, Nougat, all by its itty
bitty self, it easily tells you, for every wi-fi network, if it's saved or
connected, and far more, where _you_ control the connections.

You simply long press the "WiFi" icon which shows available networks:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7143875wifiprivacy01.jpg>

Then you press the "3 dots" to press "Saved Wi-Fi":
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5210184wifiprivacy02.jpg>

That shows you a list of all your "saved" networks:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4913514wifiprivacy03.jpg>

You tap any specific saved WiFi connect & hit "FORGET".
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5215361wifiprivacy04.jpg>

If you want _more_ than that primitive Wi-Fi functionality, tons of free
apps exist that will tell you almost anything about your connections:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2863468wifiprivacy05.jpg>

You can graph the signal strength of your connection over time:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6292692wifiprivacy06.jpg>

You can graph _all_ nearby access point signal strength over time:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8084655wifiprivacy07.jpg>

You can choose from a variety of signal strength time graphs:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1734328wifiprivacy08.jpg>

You can list all nearby access points signal information over time:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9229058wifiprivacy09.jpg>

FACTS:

There are tons of free apps, & plenty more options to help users
o Understand the wi-fi environment
o Debug connections & signals
o Correct connections (e.g., prioritizing some over others)
o Guide users to setting up their own Access Points,
etc.

LOGIC:

Since this is clearly freely available very basic WiFi stuff,
I disagree with Lewis' assertion that 93.5% of the Apple users will be
confused by something as simple as a trivially simple _list_ of APs.

[badgolferman]

arlen holder wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:17:57 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>
>> You'd have to ask Apple, but I suspect it is "Because less than
>>0.1% of users will care and 93.5% of user will be confused."
>
>FACTS + LOGIC:
>
>I disagree with Lewis' assessment that 93.5% of Apple users would be
>confused by something as simple as a saved Wi-Fi access point listing.
>
>Why would any adult of normal intelligence be even remotely confused

>by something that trivially simple?

>
>Certainly, Android users are assumed to be far more capable, when,
>for example, native on my $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus, Nougat, all by its
>itty bitty self, it easily tells you, for every wi-fi network, if

>it's saved or connected, and far more, where you control the

>connections.
>
>You simply long press the "WiFi" icon which shows available networks:
><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7143875wifiprivacy01.jpg>
>
>Then you press the "3 dots" to press "Saved Wi-Fi":
><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5210184wifiprivacy02.jpg>
>
>That shows you a list of all your "saved" networks:
><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4913514wifiprivacy03.jpg>
>
>You tap any specific saved WiFi connect & hit "FORGET".
><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5215361wifiprivacy04.jpg>
>

>If you want more than that primitive Wi-Fi functionality, tons of free

>apps exist that will tell you almost anything about your connections:
><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2863468wifiprivacy05.jpg>
>
>You can graph the signal strength of your connection over time:
><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6292692wifiprivacy06.jpg>
>

>You can graph all nearby access point signal strength over time:

><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8084655wifiprivacy07.jpg>
>
>You can choose from a variety of signal strength time graphs:
><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1734328wifiprivacy08.jpg>
>
>You can list all nearby access points signal information over time:
><http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9229058wifiprivacy09.jpg>
>
>FACTS:
>
>There are tons of free apps, & plenty more options to help users
>o Understand the wi-fi environment
>o Debug connections & signals
>o Correct connections (e.g., prioritizing some over others)
>o Guide users to setting up their own Access Points,
>etc.
>
>LOGIC:
>
>Since this is clearly freely available very basic WiFi stuff,
>I disagree with Lewis' assertion that 93.5% of the Apple users will be

>confused by something as simple as a trivially simple list of APs.


Even Microsoft Windows shows all saved WiFi connections. Surely Apple
users don't get more easily confused than Microsoft users.

[arlen holder]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 15:33:38 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> Even Microsoft Windows shows all saved WiFi connections.
> Surely Apple users don't get more easily confused than Microsoft users.

I agree with you that _all_ the other common consumer operating systems
appear to provide the consumer with this basic capability of being able to
_manage_ their saved access point information.

I don't agree with Lewis' assertion that the consumer would be "confused".

[Chris in Makati]

On 21 Feb 2019 03:29:20 GMT, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

>Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <q4ke6l$ra3$1...@news.albasani.net> badgolferman
>> <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my iPhone 7
>>
>> You cannot.
>
>You can on your Mac though, where they are synchronized; and you can delete
>them there as well.

You should be able to read the passwords saved on your iPhone using a
Windows PC too.

[nospam]

In article <69n07ehdv65h1aruj...@4ax.com>, Chris in

Makati <ma...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >>> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my iPhone 7
> >>
> >> You cannot.
> >
> >You can on your Mac though, where they are synchronized; and you can delete
> >them there as well.
>
> You should be able to read the passwords saved on your iPhone using a
> Windows PC too.

only if you can access the keychain and crack the encryption.

so, no.

and he wasn't asking about the passwords anyway.

[Chris in Makati]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 16:36:20 -0500, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

You can see a list of wi-fi networks together with their passwords.
The same for web sites that you've visited and stored in your
Keychain.

So, yes.

[badgolferman]

Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 16:36:20 -0500, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <69n07ehdv65h1aruj...@4ax.com>, Chris in
>> Makati <ma...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my iPhone 7
>>>>>
>>>>> You cannot.
>>>>
>>>> You can on your Mac though, where they are synchronized; and you can delete
>>>> them there as well.
>>>
>>> You should be able to read the passwords saved on your iPhone using a
>>> Windows PC too.
>>
>> only if you can access the keychain and crack the encryption.
>>
>> so, no.
>>
>> and he wasn't asking about the passwords anyway.
>
> You can see a list of wi-fi networks together with their passwords.
> The same for web sites that you've visited and stored in your
> Keychain.
>
> So, yes.
>

How do I see this on my phone? I am not a Mac user.

[Chris in Makati]

I don't know how you can see it on your phone.

I don't have a Mac either but I can see it on my Windows PC. You just
have to have the right tools installed.

[badgolferman]

And what are those tools?

[arlen holder]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 16:19:30 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote:

> I don't agree with Lewis' assertion that the consumer would be "confused".

In summary, there's no room for confusion in the mind of a normal adult.
<<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4913514wifiprivacy03.jpg>>

It's _this_ simple to "see" the saved ap, to tell the phone to "forget" it.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5215361wifiprivacy04.jpg>

iOS, if it doesn't have this most basic of functionality, should add it.

[nospam]

In article <q4t0r9$3tq$1...@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder

<ar...@arlen.com> wrote:

>
> > I don't agree with Lewis' assertion that the consumer would be "confused".
>
> In summary, there's no room for confusion in the mind of a normal adult.

for someone who claims to be a normal adult, and someone who claims to
know all about ios, you are very, very confused.

> <<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4913514wifiprivacy03.jpg>>

<https://itservices.usc.edu/files/2014/07/iOS-screen-wifi-on.png>

> It's _this_ simple to "see" the saved ap, to tell the phone to "forget" it.
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5215361wifiprivacy04.jpg>

<https://cdn.howtoisolve.com//wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Forget-Wi-Fi-Ne
twork-on-iPhone-iPad-in-iOS-11-or-later.jpg>

<https://storage.googleapis.com/igeeksblog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Fo
rget-Wifi-Network-on-iPhone.jpg>

[badgolferman]

Yes, I am familiar with the “Forget This Network” option, but it is only
available AFTER you have connected. I want to forget that network BEFORE
connecting. Wiping my entire network settings just to remove old hotel or
public connections is not a good choice.

[arlen holder]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 12:26:11 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> Yes, I am familiar with the ´Forget This Network¡ option, but it is only
> available AFTER you have connected. I want to forget that network BEFORE
> connecting. Wiping my entire network settings just to remove old hotel or
> public connections is not a good choice.

Hi badgolferman,

Notice that nospam loves to play silly little semantic games.

It appears that nospam _never_ intends to be purposefully helpful.

And, it's a fact that nospam's credibility is utterly worthless,
badgolferman.

Now I must ask you, what adult cares so little about their credibility?

As you know, I have associated with many truly intelligent people, where I
must assert that almost every intelligent adult I've ever met, cared
GREATLY about their credibility.

But not nospam.

I ask you badgolferman, what ADULT cares so little of their worth & honor?

[Lewis]

Um... no.

Wait, let me rephrase that.

Hell no!

--
In the end we will not remember the words of our enemies, but the
silence of our friends. -Martin Luther King, Jr

[badgolferman]

arlen holder wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 12:26:11 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am familiar with the ´Forget This Network¡ option, but it
>>is only available AFTER you have connected. I want to forget that
>>network BEFORE connecting. Wiping my entire network settings just
>>to remove old hotel or public connections is not a good choice.
>
>Hi badgolferman,
>
>Notice that nospam loves to play silly little semantic games.
>

>It appears that nospam never intends to be purposefully helpful.

>
>And, it's a fact that nospam's credibility is utterly worthless,
>badgolferman.
>
>Now I must ask you, what adult cares so little about their
>credibility?
>
>As you know, I have associated with many truly intelligent people,
>where I must assert that almost every intelligent adult I've ever
>met, cared GREATLY about their credibility.
>
>But not nospam.
>
>I ask you badgolferman, what ADULT cares so little of their worth &
>honor?

Because Usenet.

[arlen holder]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> Because Usenet.

Hi badgolferman,

It's truly hurtful what nospam does.

I appreciate that you understand that nospam's responses _hurt_ me.
o *An individual _that_ purposefully horrid in intent hurts to know exists.*

I think you're right in the fact that, on Usenet, we associate with people
whom we wouldn't normally associate with.

In the real world, they wouldn't make the cut, so to speak, if they guessed
so wrongly even just once, let alone every second of every moment of their
lives.

Personally, I try to understand the person I speak with, where, I try to
understand why they say what they say.

In return, I try to be transparent as to why I speak the facts that I
speak, and, more importantly, I try to be helpful to people like Ant, you,
sobriquet, sms, et al., who ask questions such as you did here.

What's disturbing most about nospam's responses is that he purposefully
crafts many of his answers to create the illusion of functionality that the
person asking the question either knows doesn't exist - or - far worse -
then wastes inordinate effort on nospam's wild-goose chases.

For example, had you _believed_ nospam, you'd begin to attempt his
so-called solution, where I've learned long ago that nospam claims
imaginary functionality where he even provides graphical "proof" of his
imaginary functionality (he did it with you, and with others, e.g., on cell
tower location tools).

With most of the apologists like Jolly Roger (who claimed something like
five minutes for an 8 year old to jailbreak), & Snit (who claimed a moving
graph of bits per second was equivalent to decibels of signal strength),
it's hard to tell with _some_ of the apologists whether they actually
_believe_ in their claimed imaginary functionality.

It's DIFFERENT with nospam.
o Very different.

What's very different about nospam is that he is clever enough to KNOW that
his claimed functionality is purely imaginary. He uses sleight of hand to
promote the idea that the functionality exists, all the while he truly
KNOWS that his claimed functionality is purely imaginary.

*That's what used to frustrate me so much about nospam.*
o The others merely are ignorant - but he knows he's making it all up.

Hence, it's abundantly clear nospam has absolutely zero helpful intentions.
o That! Is what hurts so much.

o *An individual _that_ purposefully horrid in intent hurts to know exists.*

Luckily, you knew enough not to follow his wild-goose chase, but many
before you (and many to come) _will_ follow his wild-goose chases.

It's truly hurtful what nospam does.

[Chris in Makati]

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <69n07ehdv65h1aruj...@4ax.com> Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On 21 Feb 2019 03:29:20 GMT, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>>Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> In message <q4ke6l$ra3$1...@news.albasani.net> badgolferman
>>>> <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> How can I view a list of WiFi networks that have been saved by my iPhone 7
>>>>
>>>> You cannot.
>>>
>>>You can on your Mac though, where they are synchronized; and you can delete
>>>them there as well.
>
>> You should be able to read the passwords saved on your iPhone using a
>> Windows PC too.
>
>Um... no.
>
>Wait, let me rephrase that.
>
>Hell no!

Maybe you can't, but that doesn't mean there's aren't other people who
can.

[Chris in Makati]

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:51:27 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman

I use 4uKey, but I'm sure there are others.

[badgolferman]

arlen holder wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>
>> Because Usenet.
>
>Hi badgolferman,
>
>It's truly hurtful what nospam does.
>

>I appreciate that you understand that nospam's responses hurt me.
>o *An individual that purposefully horrid in intent hurts to know

>exists.*
>
>I think you're right in the fact that, on Usenet, we associate with
>people whom we wouldn't normally associate with.
>
>In the real world, they wouldn't make the cut, so to speak, if they
>guessed so wrongly even just once, let alone every second of every
>moment of their lives.
>
>Personally, I try to understand the person I speak with, where, I try
>to understand why they say what they say.
>
>In return, I try to be transparent as to why I speak the facts that I
>speak, and, more importantly, I try to be helpful to people like Ant,
>you, sobriquet, sms, et al., who ask questions such as you did here.
>
>What's disturbing most about nospam's responses is that he
>purposefully crafts many of his answers to create the illusion of
>functionality that the person asking the question either knows
>doesn't exist - or - far worse - then wastes inordinate effort on
>nospam's wild-goose chases.
>

>For example, had you believed nospam, you'd begin to attempt his

>so-called solution, where I've learned long ago that nospam claims
>imaginary functionality where he even provides graphical "proof" of
>his imaginary functionality (he did it with you, and with others,
>e.g., on cell tower location tools).
>
>With most of the apologists like Jolly Roger (who claimed something
>like five minutes for an 8 year old to jailbreak), & Snit (who
>claimed a moving graph of bits per second was equivalent to decibels

>of signal strength), it's hard to tell with some of the apologists
>whether they actually believe in their claimed imaginary

>functionality.
>
>It's DIFFERENT with nospam.
>o Very different.
>
>What's very different about nospam is that he is clever enough to
>KNOW that his claimed functionality is purely imaginary. He uses
>sleight of hand to promote the idea that the functionality exists,
>all the while he truly KNOWS that his claimed functionality is purely
>imaginary.
>
>*That's what used to frustrate me so much about nospam.*
>o The others merely are ignorant - but he knows he's making it all up.
>
>Hence, it's abundantly clear nospam has absolutely zero helpful
>intentions. o That! Is what hurts so much.
>

>o *An individual that purposefully horrid in intent hurts to know

>exists.*
>
>Luckily, you knew enough not to follow his wild-goose chase, but many

>before you (and many to come) will follow his wild-goose chases.

>
>It's truly hurtful what nospam does.

I'm not sure I would agree with all that -- nospam *has* been helpful
to me in the past. I just wish he would realize not everyone is or
wants to be on the cutting edge of iPhone technology. Many people
prefer the old functionality either for practical or personal reasons
and the new way is not always better.

[nospam]

In article <xn0lqllnx...@reader.albasani.net>, badgolferman

<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'm not sure I would agree with all that -- nospam *has* been helpful
> to me in the past. I just wish he would realize not everyone is or
> wants to be on the cutting edge of iPhone technology. Many people
> prefer the old functionality either for practical or personal reasons
> and the new way is not always better.

i never said everyone wants to be on the cutting edge.

the point is that apple is not going to hold back progress for a tiny
minority of users.

[arlen holder]

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:53:12 -0500, nospam wrote:
> i never said everyone wants to be on the cutting edge.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 10:55:27 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> I'm not sure I would agree with all that -- nospam *has* been helpful
> to me in the past. I just wish he would realize not everyone is or
> wants to be on the cutting edge of iPhone technology. Many people
> prefer the old functionality either for practical or personal reasons
> and the new way is not always better.

Hi badgolferman,

Only if you already KNOW the answer, will you NOT waste your time with
nospam's sadistically intentioned wild-goose chases.

I agree nospam is DIFFERENT than the other score of apologists.

It's almost Apple pays nospam by the post to flatly refute anything &
everything that isn't complementary to Apple Marketing Propaganda.

What's different about nospam is clear when he skirts around a question.
o You have to actually know the answer, to skirt it like he does

Others, like Jolly Roger, Lewis, BK, et al., are too ignorant to do that.
o They simply post complete & utter bullshit easily shown to be so.

With nospam, he'll actually play his silly games around the issue.
o Which is what he did here

That means nospam has a DIFFERENT MOTIVE than the rest.
o For the Jolly Roger type - they're just defending their Apple choice
o To the Jolly Roger type, anything truthful about Apple is "against" Apple
o In fact, this type has often said I hate Apple products
o Because _that's_ how _their_ mind works
o They think if you say the truth about a product - you must hate it.
o They don't realize that adults say the truth about all products.

In the case of nospam, he's definitely "playing games".
o Very often, nospam is utterly ignorant though
o Take the case of iPhone X throttling software for just one
o He refuted it out of hand - and yet - it is well known to exist

In the case of the wifi signal strength, nospam did the same thing.
o He refutes out of hand anything truthful not complementary to Apple

That's why nospam's credibility is utterly worthless.
o This is sad because nospam actually is smarter than the others

I've often said he could be a "defense" lawyer
o Because he refutes everything without ever using any facts

A prosecution lawyer could never get away with nospam's tactics
o A prosecution lawyer would be bound to prove his statements

The PROBLEM, badgolferman, with nospam's tactics is that he (and the
others) send poor unsuspecting users on wild goose chases.

Why?
o Why does nospam delight in sending users on wild goose chases?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.ipad/yfBisViO0Rs>

It's sad he does that - where - luckily - he wasn't able to connive you
into a senseless journey chasing wild geese - but ONLY because you knew the
answer ahead of time.

In summary, the ONLY reason nospam wasn't successful in sending you on a
senseless wild-goose chase, was that you didn't BELIEVE a word nospam said.

That's the ONLY logical conclusion one can make with ANYTHING nospam says
o He distorts the truth to send you on a wild goose chase

Only if you already KNOW the answer, will you NOT waste your time with
nospam's sadistically intentioned wild-goose chases.

[arlen holder]

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 09:46:01 +0000, Chris in Makati wrote:

> I use 4uKey, but I'm sure there are others.

Searching for the canonical web site, I found it here:
o Tenorshare 4uKey:
<https://www.tenorshare.com/products/4ukey-unlocker.html>

Skimming just the home page, I didn't see wifi passwords
but they may be one of the features of the tool (I didn't look deeper):
o Unlock iPhone/iPad Locked Screen in Minutes
o ByPass iPhone/iPad Screen Passwords Instantly
o Fix Disabled iPhone/iPad without iTunes or iCloud
o Remove 4-digit/6-digit passcode, Touch ID & Face ID from iPhone/iPad
o Fully Compatible with the latest iOS 12.1 and iPhone XS/XS Max/XR
o Free trial, Windows & Mac

I didn't skim deeper than the home page, but I didn't see anything about
wifi passwords though. Still, it seems like a nice tool for bypassing lock
screens without needing an entire desktop plus hundreds of megabytes of the
Orwellian iTunes abomination.