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Yet again, Apple introduces NEW HUGE SECURITY holes with the latest software release (it never ends)
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Arlen George Holder
Aug 20, 2019, 4:33:22 PM8/20/19
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Proof positive that two facts are facts:
o Apple advertises what is, in fact, the mere _illusion_ of security
o Where the proof is clear Apple never tests sufficiently for security
Apple's lack of testing for security in favor of advertising the _illusion_
of security is astoundingly apparent, yet again, by the facts today.
FACT:
o Apple Introduced A Critical Security Vulnerability In New iOS 12.4
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2019/08/19/iphone-alert-apple-accidentally-introduced-a-critical-security-vulnerability-in-ios-12-4/>
"The security flaw lets a malicious hacker take over almost any iPhone
or iPad. The vulnerability was already used to jailbreak iPhones
in minutes"
Yet again, proof Apple never tests security sufficiently, Google found it,
not Apple. Here is a verbatim quote showing the astonishingly lax security
testing by Apple (with all of Apple's effort expended on merely advertising
the _illusion_ of security instead of testing for it):
"To put it simply, this is one of the highest levels of security
criticality you can get and its mind-blowing that Apple has reintroduced
the vulnerability in the July 22 release of the latest version of its
mobile operating system, iOS 12.4."
FACT:
Don't blame me for telling you the truth...
o Apple's Unforgivable Mistake Threatens Millions Of iPad And iPhone Users
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2019/08/19/apple-iphone-ios-jailbreak-security-broken-exploit-warning-danger/>
"Apple has made a mistake that has blown open the entire platform. This
weekend it was revealed that Apple has been sloppy, and an old
vulnerability that was patched over has been broken in the move to iOS
12.4, so it is possible for a iPhone running the very latest version of iOS
to run unsigned code."
Is there any need of more PROOF Apple never tests security sufficiently?
o Apple spends their money on advertising the mere _illusion_ of security.
FACT:
This is on the heels of yet another proof of insufficient Apple testing
o Warning Issued For Apple's 1.4 Billion iPad And iPhone Users
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/08/10/apple-iphone-ipad-security-warning-ios-12-ios13-iphone-xs-max-xr/>
"Apple is having a bad week. Just days after Face ID was hacked and the
companyÿs ´user-hostile¡ iPhone battery practices were exposed, an
extraordinary story of Apple neglect has resulted in a warning every iPhone
and iPad user needs to know about.
"Security firm Check Point has revealed it has found a way to hack every
iPhone and iPad running iOS 8 right up to betas of iOS 13. This spread
covers eight years of devices (iOS 8 supports the 2011 iPhone 4S) and, with
Tim Cook stating there are 1.4BN active iOS devices around the world, this
is worrying news for the owners of pretty much all of them."
FACT:
Which itself was on top of even more proof of Apple security flaws that
Apple NEVER tests sufficiently for (what more proof could you need)...
o iPhone security flaw found by Googleÿs Project Zeo team
<https://venturetoday.org/2019/08/01/iphone-security-flaw-found-by-googles-project-zeo-team/>
FACT:
And these never ending Apple security flaws aren't limited to iOS:
o Apple Turns Off Mac OS Feature For Security Concerns
<https://www.cyberhawks.net/2019/07/29/apple-turns-off-mac-os-feature-for-security-concerns/>
"onathan Leitschuh, a security researcher, recently unearthed a serious
security flaw that allowed a hacker to activate a Mac computer's webcam
without alerting the computer's owner."
Proof positive that two facts are facts:
o Apple advertises what is, in fact, the mere _illusion_ of security
o Where the proof is clear Apple never tests sufficiently for security
o Apple advertises what is, in fact, the mere _illusion_ of security
o Where the proof is clear Apple never tests sufficiently for security
Apple's lack of testing for security in favor of advertising the _illusion_
of security is astoundingly apparent, yet again, by the facts today.
FACT:
o Apple Introduced A Critical Security Vulnerability In New iOS 12.4
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2019/08/19/iphone-alert-apple-accidentally-introduced-a-critical-security-vulnerability-in-ios-12-4/>
"The security flaw lets a malicious hacker take over almost any iPhone
or iPad. The vulnerability was already used to jailbreak iPhones
in minutes"
Yet again, proof Apple never tests security sufficiently, Google found it,
not Apple. Here is a verbatim quote showing the astonishingly lax security
testing by Apple (with all of Apple's effort expended on merely advertising
the _illusion_ of security instead of testing for it):
"To put it simply, this is one of the highest levels of security
criticality you can get and its mind-blowing that Apple has reintroduced
the vulnerability in the July 22 release of the latest version of its
mobile operating system, iOS 12.4."
FACT:
Don't blame me for telling you the truth...
o Apple's Unforgivable Mistake Threatens Millions Of iPad And iPhone Users
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2019/08/19/apple-iphone-ios-jailbreak-security-broken-exploit-warning-danger/>
"Apple has made a mistake that has blown open the entire platform. This
weekend it was revealed that Apple has been sloppy, and an old
vulnerability that was patched over has been broken in the move to iOS
12.4, so it is possible for a iPhone running the very latest version of iOS
to run unsigned code."
Is there any need of more PROOF Apple never tests security sufficiently?
o Apple spends their money on advertising the mere _illusion_ of security.
FACT:
This is on the heels of yet another proof of insufficient Apple testing
o Warning Issued For Apple's 1.4 Billion iPad And iPhone Users
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/08/10/apple-iphone-ipad-security-warning-ios-12-ios13-iphone-xs-max-xr/>
"Apple is having a bad week. Just days after Face ID was hacked and the
companyÿs ´user-hostile¡ iPhone battery practices were exposed, an
extraordinary story of Apple neglect has resulted in a warning every iPhone
and iPad user needs to know about.
"Security firm Check Point has revealed it has found a way to hack every
iPhone and iPad running iOS 8 right up to betas of iOS 13. This spread
covers eight years of devices (iOS 8 supports the 2011 iPhone 4S) and, with
Tim Cook stating there are 1.4BN active iOS devices around the world, this
is worrying news for the owners of pretty much all of them."
FACT:
Which itself was on top of even more proof of Apple security flaws that
Apple NEVER tests sufficiently for (what more proof could you need)...
o iPhone security flaw found by Googleÿs Project Zeo team
<https://venturetoday.org/2019/08/01/iphone-security-flaw-found-by-googles-project-zeo-team/>
FACT:
And these never ending Apple security flaws aren't limited to iOS:
o Apple Turns Off Mac OS Feature For Security Concerns
<https://www.cyberhawks.net/2019/07/29/apple-turns-off-mac-os-feature-for-security-concerns/>
"onathan Leitschuh, a security researcher, recently unearthed a serious
security flaw that allowed a hacker to activate a Mac computer's webcam
without alerting the computer's owner."
Proof positive that two facts are facts:
o Apple advertises what is, in fact, the mere _illusion_ of security
o Where the proof is clear Apple never tests sufficiently for security
Alan Baker
Aug 20, 2019, 4:35:23 PM8/20/19
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On 2019-08-20 1:33 p.m., Arlen George Holder wrote:
> Proof positive that two facts are facts:
> o Apple advertises what is, in fact, the mere _illusion_ of security
> o Where the proof is clear Apple never tests sufficiently for security
Where the fact is that you've never defined what "sufficiently" means in
> Proof positive that two facts are facts:
> o Apple advertises what is, in fact, the mere _illusion_ of security
> o Where the proof is clear Apple never tests sufficiently for security
this context...
Arlen George Holder
Aug 20, 2019, 4:41:19 PM8/20/19
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:35:21 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> Where the fact is that you've never defined what "sufficiently" means in
> this context...
Alan,
> Where the fact is that you've never defined what "sufficiently" means in
> this context...
FACTS
You apologist are utterly immune to facts and logic.
Does it even occur to you that this is a bug that not only follows upon so
many others that it's sickeningly shockingly illustrative of almost zero
testing, but, that this new bug is a re-introduction of an old bug?
Does it never occur to you that Apple didn't even do a child's level of
testing on the iOS release?
*It's an old bug, Alan, which Apple just re-introduced for Christs' sake!*
Think about what happened Alan - even a child should know to test for that.
There isn't anything more proving of lack of sufficient testing than
*REINTRODUCING AN OLD BUG THAT THEY ALREADY KNEW ABOUT FOR GOD'S SAKE*
FACTS
Alan Baker
Aug 20, 2019, 4:48:10 PM8/20/19
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On 2019-08-20 1:41 p.m., Arlen George Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:35:21 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Where the fact is that you've never defined what "sufficiently" means in
>> this context...
>
> Alan,
>
> FACTS
> You apologist are utterly immune to facts and logic.
Yet it is you who has consistently refused to define the term.
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:35:21 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Where the fact is that you've never defined what "sufficiently" means in
>> this context...
>
> Alan,
>
> FACTS
> You apologist are utterly immune to facts and logic.
Funny that.
Arlen George Holder
Aug 21, 2019, 1:02:40 AM8/21/19
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:48:08 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> Yet it is you who has consistently refused to define the term.
Apple re-introduced a critical bug into the latest iOS release
> Yet it is you who has consistently refused to define the term.
that Google caught in just days, since it was a bug that Apple had
previously fixed - and - clearly - the facts show - Apple's QA doesn't even
test for bugs that have already been fixed while Google clearly does.
It's obvious, Alan, that Apple does not sufficiently test releases.
o Otherwise, this horrific bug wouldn't have been shipped TWICE!
Meanwhile, Apple is content to merely advertise the _illusion_ of security
o Which, apparently, is all that the Apple user cares about.
The Apple user merely wants to _feel_ safe - not actually _be_ safe
o Like a child told by his mommy that the monster can't get out of the
closet if she shuts the closet door at night.
Alan Baker
Aug 21, 2019, 1:11:58 AM8/21/19
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are they?
Arlen George Holder
Aug 21, 2019, 1:27:33 AM8/21/19
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:11:57 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> So Apple is the only company that has ever accidentally unpatched a bug,
> are they?
Alan,
> So Apple is the only company that has ever accidentally unpatched a bug,
> are they?
Every time you apologists post - you prove my point for me.
o Apple advertises the mere _illusion_ of security.
Apple products are no more secure or private than any others.
o The only thing _different_, Alan, is that Apple advertises the hell out
of privacy & security.
And yet - it's a lie.
o You just proved you realize that yourself when you said what you said.
The real question is why doesn't Apple care to put even the simplest of
tests into their QA test suite - such that they would have caught this bug
before shipping to millions (maybe even billions) of users?
I think the answer is simple given Google caught this bug in mere days.
Apple doesn't even _care_ about QA... they only care about MARKETING.
o Apple's customer only cares about being _told_ they're secure
Don't you see Alan that this is Apple's strategic plan?
o Why should Apple bother with actual security, Alan...
o When advertising the mere _illusion_ of security sells just as well?
Apple _knows_ that the customer only cares to _feel_ safe...
o Not actually be safe, Alan.
If the customer actually cared about _being_ safe,
o Then all the lies Apple foments about security wouldn't work on you.
Alan Baker
Aug 21, 2019, 1:31:22 AM8/21/19
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On 2019-08-20 10:27 p.m., Arlen George Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:11:57 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> So Apple is the only company that has ever accidentally unpatched a bug,
>> are they?
>
> Alan,
>
> Every time you apologists post - you prove my point for me.
> o Apple advertises the mere _illusion_ of security.
Did you answer my question in this paragraph?
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:11:57 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> So Apple is the only company that has ever accidentally unpatched a bug,
>> are they?
>
> Alan,
>
> Every time you apologists post - you prove my point for me.
> o Apple advertises the mere _illusion_ of security.
>
> Apple products are no more secure or private than any others.
> o The only thing _different_, Alan, is that Apple advertises the hell out
> of privacy & security.
>
> And yet - it's a lie.
> o You just proved you realize that yourself when you said what you said.
>
> The real question is why doesn't Apple care to put even the simplest of
> tests into their QA test suite - such that they would have caught this bug
> before shipping to millions (maybe even billions) of users?
Are you asserting that no other company has ever accidentally unpatched
a bug?
>
> I think the answer is simple given Google caught this bug in mere days.
>
> Apple doesn't even _care_ about QA... they only care about MARKETING.
> o Apple's customer only cares about being _told_ they're secure
>
> Don't you see Alan that this is Apple's strategic plan?
> o Why should Apple bother with actual security, Alan...
> o When advertising the mere _illusion_ of security sells just as well?
>
> Apple _knows_ that the customer only cares to _feel_ safe...
> o Not actually be safe, Alan.
>
> If the customer actually cared about _being_ safe,
> o Then all the lies Apple foments about security wouldn't work on you.
You've yet to show a single lie.
Arlen George Holder
Aug 21, 2019, 12:47:02 PM8/21/19
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:31:20 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> Did you answer my question in this paragraph?
Hi Alan Baker,
> Did you answer my question in this paragraph?
FACTS first; then _adult_ logic.
Do you actually think that letting a _known_ serious bug infect every
iPhone on the planet that updates to iOS ....
... is sufficient testing?
Alan Baker
Aug 21, 2019, 12:52:24 PM8/21/19
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What is your definition of "sufficient testing"?
nospam
Aug 21, 2019, 12:55:19 PM8/21/19
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In article <qjjsi5$kd5$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen George Holder
if only you'd do that.
> Do you actually think that letting a _known_ serious bug infect every
> iPhone on the planet that updates to iOS ....
so much for 'facts'.
it doesn't affect devices that can't update to ios 12 (which should be
obvious), nor does it affect devices with an a12 cpu, therefore *not*
'every iphone on the planet that updates to ios', which itself is
syntactically incorrect.
meanwhile, microsoft has 'wormable' bugs that goes back to windows 7.
if only you'd do that.
> Do you actually think that letting a _known_ serious bug infect every
> iPhone on the planet that updates to iOS ....
it doesn't affect devices that can't update to ios 12 (which should be
obvious), nor does it affect devices with an a12 cpu, therefore *not*
'every iphone on the planet that updates to ios', which itself is
syntactically incorrect.
meanwhile, microsoft has 'wormable' bugs that goes back to windows 7.
Arlen George Holder
Aug 21, 2019, 2:47:46 PM8/21/19
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:55:19 -0400, nospam wrote:
> it doesn't affect devices that can't update to ios 12 (which should be
> obvious), nor does it affect devices with an a12 cpu, therefore *not*
> 'every iphone on the planet that updates to ios', which itself is
> syntactically incorrect.
Hi nospam,
> it doesn't affect devices that can't update to ios 12 (which should be
> obvious), nor does it affect devices with an a12 cpu, therefore *not*
> 'every iphone on the planet that updates to ios', which itself is
> syntactically incorrect.
The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
o THEY SHIPPED THE _SAME_ SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... _TWICE_!
You always prove to own the mind of a 5th grader when confronted with facts
o Play all the silly semantic games you want - nospam.
The fact is that Apple shipped this severe security hole ... TWICE!
o To every iOS device that updated
That's likely BILLIONS of devices, nospam.
o Play your silly games.
The fact is that Apple never tests releases sufficiently
o It's why I refer to the iOS release schedule as a diarrhea
Apple knows the customer only seems to want to _feel_ safe
o Not actually _be_ safe
Guess what makes the customer _feel_ safe, nospam?
o Yup - you've said it many times.
The more frequently Apple ships iOS diarrhea - the safer people feel.
> meanwhile, microsoft has 'wormable' bugs that goes back to windows 7.
The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
o THEY SHIPPED THE SAME SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... TWICE!
You prove, for me, that Apple is no different than anyone else.
o The _only_ thing different is that Apple Marketing is brilliant.
Apple markets the mere _illusion_ of security.
o And, to Apple customers ... that's all that matters.
The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
o THEY SHIPPED THE SAME SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... TWICE!
Arlen George Holder
Aug 21, 2019, 2:47:47 PM8/21/19
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 09:52:22 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> What is your definition of "sufficient testing"?
Sufficient testing would be what Google did.
> What is your definition of "sufficient testing"?
o They _found_ the severe security bug that Apple shipped TWICE!
nospam
Aug 21, 2019, 2:57:37 PM8/21/19
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In article <qjk3kh$17j$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen George Holder
> You always prove to own the mind of a 5th grader when confronted with facts
> o Play all the silly semantic games you want - nospam.
>
> The fact is that Apple shipped this severe security hole ... TWICE!
> o To every iOS device that updated
>
> That's likely BILLIONS of devices, nospam.
> o Play your silly games.
>
> The fact is that Apple never tests releases sufficiently
> o It's why I refer to the iOS release schedule as a diarrhea
>
> Apple knows the customer only seems to want to _feel_ safe
> o Not actually _be_ safe
>
> Guess what makes the customer _feel_ safe, nospam?
> o Yup - you've said it many times.
>
> The more frequently Apple ships iOS diarrhea - the safer people feel.
>
> > meanwhile, microsoft has 'wormable' bugs that goes back to windows 7.
>
> Hehhehheh... all you apologists prove to own the mind of 5th graders.
>
> The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
> o THEY SHIPPED THE SAME SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... TWICE!
'security', and that's twice.
> You prove, for me, that Apple is no different than anyone else.
> o The _only_ thing different is that Apple Marketing is brilliant.
>
> Apple markets the mere _illusion_ of security.
> o And, to Apple customers ... that's all that matters.
>
> The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
> o THEY SHIPPED THE SAME SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... TWICE!
'security', and that makes three.
the fact is that your qa is non-existent.
<arlinggeo...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
> o THEY SHIPPED THE _SAME_ SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... _TWICE_!
'security'
>
> The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
> o THEY SHIPPED THE _SAME_ SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... _TWICE_!
> You always prove to own the mind of a 5th grader when confronted with facts
> o Play all the silly semantic games you want - nospam.
>
> The fact is that Apple shipped this severe security hole ... TWICE!
> o To every iOS device that updated
>
> That's likely BILLIONS of devices, nospam.
> o Play your silly games.
>
> The fact is that Apple never tests releases sufficiently
> o It's why I refer to the iOS release schedule as a diarrhea
>
> Apple knows the customer only seems to want to _feel_ safe
> o Not actually _be_ safe
>
> Guess what makes the customer _feel_ safe, nospam?
> o Yup - you've said it many times.
>
> The more frequently Apple ships iOS diarrhea - the safer people feel.
>
> > meanwhile, microsoft has 'wormable' bugs that goes back to windows 7.
>
> Hehhehheh... all you apologists prove to own the mind of 5th graders.
>
> The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
> o THEY SHIPPED THE SAME SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... TWICE!
> You prove, for me, that Apple is no different than anyone else.
> o The _only_ thing different is that Apple Marketing is brilliant.
>
> Apple markets the mere _illusion_ of security.
> o And, to Apple customers ... that's all that matters.
>
> The fact is that Apple QA is so freaking non existent ... that...
> o THEY SHIPPED THE SAME SEVERE SEDURITY HOLE ... TWICE!
the fact is that your qa is non-existent.
Alan Baker
Aug 21, 2019, 3:00:12 PM8/21/19
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...you lose...
...again.
Can you show that Apple is the only company to have ever accidentally
unpatched a bug?
Yes or no.
We'll move through this LOGICALLY, but you are required to participate.
:-)
Arlen George Holder
Aug 21, 2019, 4:24:50 PM8/21/19
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 14:57:36 -0400, nospam wrote:
> the fact is that your qa is non-existent.
Play your silly games nospam ...
> the fact is that your qa is non-existent.
o All you apologist ever prove is you own the mind of 5th graders
The fact is that Apple shipped the _same_ security hole....
* Twice
And, Apple didn't _find_ their own bugs, yet again, nospam
* Google did
What does _that_ tell you about the lack of Apple QA?
Arlen George Holder
Aug 21, 2019, 4:24:51 PM8/21/19
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:00:05 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> Can you show that Apple is the only company to have ever accidentally
> unpatched a bug?
Hi Alan,
> Can you show that Apple is the only company to have ever accidentally
> unpatched a bug?
The whole point is that Apple ADVERTISES the mere _illusion_ of security.
The fact is you _know_ this, by the way you post.
o It's all a (admittedly brilliant marketing) lie.
FACT: *Apple is no better on security & privacy than anyone else.*
o It's only the MARKETING that's different.
You prove you know this by comparing Apple to everyone else on bugs.
o Which is my point.
Alan Baker
Aug 21, 2019, 4:48:33 PM8/21/19
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On 2019-08-21 1:24 p.m., Arlen George Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:00:05 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Can you show that Apple is the only company to have ever accidentally
>> unpatched a bug?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> The whole point is that Apple ADVERTISES the mere _illusion_ of security.
The whole point is that showing that Apple is less than perfect doesn't
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:00:05 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Can you show that Apple is the only company to have ever accidentally
>> unpatched a bug?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> The whole point is that Apple ADVERTISES the mere _illusion_ of security.
support that claim at all.
nospam
Aug 21, 2019, 5:23:27 PM8/21/19
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In article <qjk9ah$b93$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen George Holder
<arlinggeo...@nospam.net> wrote:
> o All you apologist ever prove is you own the mind of 5th graders
any one of which is smarter than you.
> o All you apologist ever prove is you own the mind of 5th graders
Lewis
Aug 21, 2019, 6:18:00 PM8/21/19
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the way back to Windows XP.
Also, Symantec/Norton which I gather most windows morons run has decided
to block all Windows updates from being installed this month.
They claim they are :working" on a solution for their idiotic and
bullshit "security" of requiring the obsolete and deprecated SHA1.
--
All our loves are first loves
Arlen George Holder
Aug 22, 2019, 4:44:34 AM8/22/19
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:17:59 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> There was one extremely bad one revealed this last week that goes all
> the way back to Windows XP.
>
> Also, Symantec/Norton which I gather most windows morons run has decided
> to block all Windows updates from being installed this month.
>
> They claim they are :working" on a solution for their idiotic and
> bullshit "security" of requiring the obsolete and deprecated SHA1.
I _love_ when Lewis posts, where he has taken over the role of average
> There was one extremely bad one revealed this last week that goes all
> the way back to Windows XP.
>
> Also, Symantec/Norton which I gather most windows morons run has decided
> to block all Windows updates from being installed this month.
>
> They claim they are :working" on a solution for their idiotic and
> bullshit "security" of requiring the obsolete and deprecated SHA1.
Apple user since Jolly Roger finally figured out that he was the most
average of Apple users on this planet.
What Lewis said, accidentally, of course, indicates how he thinks.
a. On the one hand, he thinks Apple is _different_ in security/privacy.
b. And yet, on the other hand, he proves he knows that they're not.
This simple logical deduction is why it's so wonderful every time the
Apologists blame everyone but Apple for Apple's privacy/security holes -
which are so big - you can drive a bus through them.
Particularly when the fundamentally average Apple users post, such as
o Jolly Roger
o Lewis
o BK
et al.
They speak for all average Apple users when they prove my point for me.
o Average Apple users just want to _feel_ safe; not actually _be_ safe.
Arlen George Holder
Aug 22, 2019, 4:44:35 AM8/22/19
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 17:23:26 -0400, nospam wrote:
>> o All you apologist ever prove is you own the mind of 5th graders
>
> any one of which is smarter than you.
What's amazing is you _continue_ to prove for me that you apologists own
>> o All you apologist ever prove is you own the mind of 5th graders
>
> any one of which is smarter than you.
the mind of 5th grade children.
Arlen George Holder
Aug 22, 2019, 4:44:36 AM8/22/19
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:48:32 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> The whole point is that showing that Apple is less than perfect doesn't
> support that claim at all.
Hi Alan,
> The whole point is that showing that Apple is less than perfect doesn't
> support that claim at all.
All that matters, is the Apple customer buys the _illusion_ of security/privacy.
o I've studied you apologists over the years - and have figured you out.
There are facts; & there is reasonable adult logic derived from those facts.
o This post will start with known facts - & then derive logical deductions.
FACT: Apple constantly & consistently releases a diarrhea of OS's
containing so many easy-to-find privacy & security holes - you can drive a
bus through them - time and again. Over & over. Endlessly.
This is a proven fact which isn't up for discussion - it's a well supported
fact (if you doubt it, you'll get the same cites I've provided in the past
but with about five additional _new_ security & privacy holes that have
been reported in just the past month alone).
WHY does Apple ship OS's that are a diarrhea of bugs?
o That's the question.
Why?
I think I know why - where rational logical deductions are outlined below.
1. Apple is in business to make money (and they make LOTS of money indeed).
2. Apple has one of the finest MARKETING orgs on this planet, bar none.
3. Apple MARKETING _knows_ exactly what their customer will pay for.
4. Clearly - that customer doesn't _get_ privacy - but they _think_ they do!
5. Apple knows that's all that matters to their admittedly loyal customer.
All that matters, is the Apple customer buys the _illusion_ of security/privacy.
Alan Baker
Aug 22, 2019, 4:53:37 AM8/22/19
to
On 2019-08-22 1:44 a.m., Arlen George Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:48:32 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> The whole point is that showing that Apple is less than perfect doesn't
>> support that claim at all.
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> All that matters, is the Apple customer buys the _illusion_ of security/privacy.
> o I've studied you apologists over the years - and have figured you out.
All that matters HERE is that you start that claim with assumptions you
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:48:32 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> The whole point is that showing that Apple is less than perfect doesn't
>> support that claim at all.
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> All that matters, is the Apple customer buys the _illusion_ of security/privacy.
> o I've studied you apologists over the years - and have figured you out.
won't prove.
Alan Baker
Aug 22, 2019, 4:56:30 AM8/22/19
to
On 2019-08-22 1:44 a.m., Arlen George Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:48:32 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> The whole point is that showing that Apple is less than perfect doesn't
>> support that claim at all.
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> All that matters, is the Apple customer buys the _illusion_ of security/privacy.
> o I've studied you apologists over the years - and have figured you out.
>
> There are facts; & there is reasonable adult logic derived from those facts.
> o This post will start with known facts - & then derive logical deductions.
>
> FACT: Apple constantly & consistently releases a diarrhea of OS's
> containing so many easy-to-find privacy & security holes - you can drive a
> bus through them - time and again. Over & over. Endlessly.
That is not a fact.
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:48:32 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> The whole point is that showing that Apple is less than perfect doesn't
>> support that claim at all.
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> All that matters, is the Apple customer buys the _illusion_ of security/privacy.
> o I've studied you apologists over the years - and have figured you out.
>
> There are facts; & there is reasonable adult logic derived from those facts.
> o This post will start with known facts - & then derive logical deductions.
>
> FACT: Apple constantly & consistently releases a diarrhea of OS's
> containing so many easy-to-find privacy & security holes - you can drive a
> bus through them - time and again. Over & over. Endlessly.
That is an ASSERTION and a CHARACTERIZATION.
>
> This is a proven fact which isn't up for discussion - it's a well supported
> fact (if you doubt it, you'll get the same cites I've provided in the past
> but with about five additional _new_ security & privacy holes that have
> been reported in just the past month alone).
...you'd support it.
>
> WHY does Apple ship OS's that are a diarrhea of bugs?
> o That's the question.
>
> Why?
>
> I think I know why - where rational logical deductions are outlined below.
> 1. Apple is in business to make money (and they make LOTS of money indeed).
> 2. Apple has one of the finest MARKETING orgs on this planet, bar none.
> 3. Apple MARKETING _knows_ exactly what their customer will pay for.
> 4. Clearly - that customer doesn't _get_ privacy - but they _think_ they do!
> 5. Apple knows that's all that matters to their admittedly loyal customer.
>
> All that matters, is the Apple customer buys the _illusion_ of security/privacy.
Well, you get the idea.
:-)
Arlen George Holder
Aug 22, 2019, 1:06:20 PM8/22/19
to
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:53:35 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> All that matters HERE is that you start that claim with assumptions you
> won't prove.
Hi Alan Baker,
> All that matters HERE is that you start that claim with assumptions you
> won't prove.
Let's _try_ to discuss facts & logic with you - assuming you're an adult.
We've already established the fact, with facts, that Apple releases are
constantly & consistently so chock full of privacy/security holes so big
you can drive a bus through them (just ask - you well know I only speak
facts so you know I have plenty of reliable factual references handy).
In contrast to imaginary belief systems, I follow my own rule of...
o Name just one
You can simply take _this_ new bug (which is a repeat of an old bug) as
just one example, but there are so many of these privacy/security holes
shipped in the diarrhea of OS releases that only an apologist could claim
otherwise.
The question is why.
I don't know why, but a handful of factual logical observations apply:
1. Apple ships OS's frequently
2. Those frequent releases often contain huge privacy/security holes
3. An astonishingly large number of those holes a child could easily find
4. A huge number of the holes we know about were NOT found by Apple
5. Yet, Apple keeps shipping an astonishingly huge number of huge OS holes.
Why?
I think the only logical conclusion is that Apple doesn't care.
o Because Apple's customers don't know the truth
Since Apple customers aren't aware of these facts, all that matters is...
o M - A - R - K - E - T - I - N - G
I know Apple advertises the mere _illusion_ of privacy.
o And I think that's sufficient for Apple customers.
In addition, I know Apple ships frequently
o And I think that, alone, makes the typical Apple customer _feel_ safe
Apparently, the admittedly brilliant Apple MARKETING has determined
o That the Apple customer will buy if they _feel_ safe
Apparently, that's why Apple never tests OS releases sufficiently.
o Witness this security hole Google found that Apple shipped ... TWICE!
The mere _illusion_ of security/privacy seems to be...
o ...all that matters to Apple customers.
Not actual security/privacy.
Arlone George Trolder
Aug 23, 2019, 4:39:54 AM8/23/19
to
Two bites at the one post. The troller is getting better at its game.
It's the eye of the troller
It's the thrill of the bait
Rising up to the catching of its fodder
And the last known survivor
Reels its prey to the plate
And it's watching us all
With the eye of the troller
Facing lone, out of the loop
Hung adrift, feeling hungry
They stack the odds 'til it stakes out a group
For the kill with the skill to survive
It's the eye of the troller
It's the thrill of the bait
Rising up to the catching of its fodder
And the last known survivor
Reels its prey to the plate
And it's watching us all
With the eye of the troller
Arlone George Trolder
Aug 23, 2019, 4:39:56 AM8/23/19
to
Another bite, another win for the troller.
It's the eye of the troller
It's the thrill of the bait
Rising up to the catching of its fodder
And the last known survivor
Reels its prey to the plate
And it's watching us all
With the eye of the troller
Facing lone, out of the loop
Hung adrift, feeling hungry
They stack the odds 'til it stakes out a group
For the kill with the skill to survive
It's the eye of the troller
It's the thrill of the bait
Rising up to the catching of its fodder
And the last known survivor
Reels its prey to the plate
And it's watching us all
With the eye of the troller
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:17:59 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
Arlone George Trolder
Aug 23, 2019, 4:39:58 AM8/23/19
to
Another bite, another win for the troller.
It's the eye of the troller
It's the thrill of the bait
Rising up to the catching of its fodder
And the last known survivor
Reels its prey to the plate
And it's watching us all
With the eye of the troller
Facing lone, out of the loop
Hung adrift, feeling hungry
They stack the odds 'til it stakes out a group
For the kill with the skill to survive
It's the eye of the troller
It's the thrill of the bait
Rising up to the catching of its fodder
And the last known survivor
Reels its prey to the plate
And it's watching us all
With the eye of the troller
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:55:19 -0400, nospam wrote:
AG Holder
Aug 26, 2019, 3:22:35 PM8/26/19
to
UPDATE:
Apple reacts to huge security holes ONLY after the shit hits the fan.
<https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/26/apple-security-fix-jailbreak/>
Apple doesn't bother to test for OLD BUGS in their sophomoric QA process!
o About the security content of iOS 12.4.1
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210549>
In light of the admittedly embarrassingly inept incompetence of Apple's QA
which released a severe security bug TWICE, at least Apple reacted to the
extremely bad press (as they always seem to do).
o Apple releases iOS 12.4.1 with a patch to kill the latest jailbreak
<https://bgr.com/2019/08/26/ios-12-4-1-update-jailbreak-patch-fix/>
Given Apple cares far more about advertising the mere _illusion_ of
security than actual security, it's important to note that Apple reacted to
the fact that Google (yet again) caught Apple's security holes so big you
can drive a bus through them.
o Apple Releases iOS 12.4.1 With Jailbreak Vulnerability Fix
<https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/26/apple-releases-ios-12-4-1/>
If you enjoy this diarrhea of iOS releases, instructions are here:
o iOS 12.4.1 Update Available to Download Now
<http://osxdaily.com/2019/08/26/ios-12-4-1-update-download/>
Apple reacts to huge security holes ONLY after the shit hits the fan.
<https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/26/apple-security-fix-jailbreak/>
Apple doesn't bother to test for OLD BUGS in their sophomoric QA process!
o About the security content of iOS 12.4.1
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210549>
In light of the admittedly embarrassingly inept incompetence of Apple's QA
which released a severe security bug TWICE, at least Apple reacted to the
extremely bad press (as they always seem to do).
o Apple releases iOS 12.4.1 with a patch to kill the latest jailbreak
<https://bgr.com/2019/08/26/ios-12-4-1-update-jailbreak-patch-fix/>
Given Apple cares far more about advertising the mere _illusion_ of
security than actual security, it's important to note that Apple reacted to
the fact that Google (yet again) caught Apple's security holes so big you
can drive a bus through them.
o Apple Releases iOS 12.4.1 With Jailbreak Vulnerability Fix
<https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/26/apple-releases-ios-12-4-1/>
If you enjoy this diarrhea of iOS releases, instructions are here:
o iOS 12.4.1 Update Available to Download Now
<http://osxdaily.com/2019/08/26/ios-12-4-1-update-download/>
Alan Baker
Aug 26, 2019, 3:57:21 PM8/26/19
to
On 2019-08-26 12:22 p.m., AG Holder wrote:
> UPDATE:
>
> Apple reacts to huge security holes ONLY after the shit hits the fan.
> <https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/26/apple-security-fix-jailbreak/>
False characterization.
> UPDATE:
>
> Apple reacts to huge security holes ONLY after the shit hits the fan.
> <https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/26/apple-security-fix-jailbreak/>
>
> Apple doesn't bother to test for OLD BUGS in their sophomoric QA process!
> o About the security content of iOS 12.4.1
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210549>
>
> In light of the admittedly embarrassingly inept incompetence of Apple's QA
> which released a severe security bug TWICE, at least Apple reacted to the
> extremely bad press (as they always seem to do).
> o Apple releases iOS 12.4.1 with a patch to kill the latest jailbreak
> <https://bgr.com/2019/08/26/ios-12-4-1-update-jailbreak-patch-fix/>
>
> Given Apple cares far more about advertising the mere _illusion_ of
> security than actual security, it's important to note that Apple reacted to
> the fact that Google (yet again) caught Apple's security holes so big you
> can drive a bus through them.
> o Apple Releases iOS 12.4.1 With Jailbreak Vulnerability Fix
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2019/08/26/apple-releases-ios-12-4-1/>
>
> If you enjoy this diarrhea of iOS releases, instructions are here:
> o iOS 12.4.1 Update Available to Download Now
> <http://osxdaily.com/2019/08/26/ios-12-4-1-update-download/>
>
:-)
AG Holder
Aug 30, 2019, 10:56:29 AM8/30/19
to
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:57:19 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> How is updating some of the older Android phones going?
Hi Alan Baker,
> How is updating some of the older Android phones going?
Blaming everyone but Apple for Apple's proven lack of testing in creating
huge security holes with every new release is common with you apologists.
Adults acknowledge facts first; then they can begin to form logical
assessments of those facts.
Hence, I love when you apologists post because you all prove, by what you
write, to own the mind of the average iOS user, particularly you, Jolly
Roger, BK, and Lewis.
o You blame everyone but Apple for Apple's lack of sufficient QA tests
To be fair, all that Apple needs to do is advertise the mere _illusion_ of
safety, which, apparently, is all you average Apple users need to know.
You _feel_ safer by the sheer frequency of the diarrhea of iOS releases.
o And yet, those releases frequently contain huge security & privacy holes
Case in point, today the BBC reported that for 30 months, hackers were
scooping up enormous amounts of data (chats, email, images, contacts,
geolocation, etc.) from Apple devices from iOS 10 to 12 inclusive.
o Google finds indiscriminate iPhone attack lasting years
<https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49520355>
Who found this security flaw, which was in use for years, in the wild?
o HINT: Not Apple. (Pssst. It was Google. Again.)
Alan Baker
Aug 30, 2019, 11:07:59 AM8/30/19
to
On 2019-08-30 7:56 a.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:57:19 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> How is updating some of the older Android phones going?
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
Hello, "Arlen".
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:57:19 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> How is updating some of the older Android phones going?
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> Blaming everyone but Apple for Apple's proven lack of testing in creating
> huge security holes with every new release is common with you apologists.
AG Holder
Aug 30, 2019, 4:59:09 PM8/30/19
to
On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 08:07:58 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> I'm not blaming others for Apple's problems, "Arlen". That is simply a lie.
Hi Alan Baker,
> I'm not blaming others for Apple's problems, "Arlen". That is simply a lie.
Adults comprehend facts, where the fact is that you said:
"How is updating some of the older Android phones going?"
Apple users _feel_ safe, I simply responded with well-cited proof that the
diarrhea of iOS releases doesn't give you Apple users the privacy &
security you believe you get from the mere frequency of releases.
The iOS diarrhea just gives you frequently buggy iOS releases.
What's interesting is that, like a child told by his mommy that the monster
can't get out of the closet if he closes the door, you average apple users
actually feel that the mere _frequency_ of the iOS diarrhea - provides
safety.
I simply provided you with proof that the frequency is meaningless.
O What matters is that Apple never tests iOS sufficiently for bugs?
Do you need _more_ proof of that obvious & well-proven fact, Alan Baker?
Alan Baker
Aug 30, 2019, 8:53:23 PM8/30/19
to
On 2019-08-30 1:59 p.m., AG Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 08:07:58 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> I'm not blaming others for Apple's problems, "Arlen". That is simply a lie.
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> Adults comprehend facts, where the fact is that you said:
> "How is updating some of the older Android phones going?"
Yes. I said that. So?
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 08:07:58 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> I'm not blaming others for Apple's problems, "Arlen". That is simply a lie.
>
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> Adults comprehend facts, where the fact is that you said:
> "How is updating some of the older Android phones going?"
>
> Given I'm well aware that the diarrhea of iOS releases make you average
> Apple users _feel_ safe, I simply responded with well-cited proof that the
> diarrhea of iOS releases doesn't give you Apple users the privacy &
> security you believe you get from the mere frequency of releases.
...which I wasn't.
Arlen G. Holder
Aug 30, 2019, 10:33:35 PM8/30/19
to
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:56:29 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> Assertion, not fact.
Yet again, Apple apparently prefers to highly advertise the mere _illusion_
of security, instead of actually providing anywhere near the advertised
level of security.
Basically, Apple doesn't even bother to test sufficiently for security.
o Advertising imaginary functionality is so much easier than delivering it
What's funny is the average iOS user feels safe by the mere diarrhea of
frequent (yet extremely insecure) iOS releases, without these users ever
realizing that every release from iOS 10 to 12 was allowing personal data
to be easily indiscriminately harvested by hackers.
The fact Apple merely _advertises_ security - without actually delivering
it
o Is doing a great disservice to Apple users because they _feel_ safe
o Without ever actually being safe.
FACTS:
o A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the wild
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
o Google Says Malicious Websites Have Been Quietly Hacking iPhones for
Years
"It may be the biggest attack against iPhone users yet."
<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjwne5/malicious-websites-hacked-iphones-for-years>
o Massive iPhone Hack Uncovered by Google: What You Need to Know
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/thousands-of-iphones-secretly-hacked-for-years-google-reveals>
o These malicious website exploits targeted iPhone users for years
<https://macdailynews.com/2019/08/30/these-malicious-website-exploits-targeted-iphone-users-for-years/>
What's funny is that iOS users tend to "feel" safe by the diarrhea of all
these untested iOS releases - when the facts show that they are full of
security and privacy holes so big you can drive a bus though them.
Fact is, and the proof shows ... Apple never tests iOS sufficiently
o It's so much better to highly advertise the mere _illusion_ of
functionality than to actually deliver on the promises Apple makes.
Alan Baker
Aug 31, 2019, 1:15:50 PM8/31/19
to
On 2019-08-30 7:33 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:56:29 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Assertion, not fact.
>
> Yet again...
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:56:29 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Assertion, not fact.
>
...you snip all context for what I said.
Arlen G. Holder
Sep 1, 2019, 1:26:13 AM9/1/19
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 10:15:49 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> ...you snip all context for what I said.
Hi Alan Baker,
> ...you snip all context for what I said.
I speak facts... which is why apologists hate me. :)
o Such as the fact that "Santa Claus is a highly advertised illusion"...
This quote, from below, is a fact apologists will hate "me" for revealing
"In a heartbeat, the researchers had pricked the bubble of Apple's
supposed security superiority"
FACTS:
o Apple Just Gave 1.4 Billion Users A Reason To Quit Their iPads, iPhones
"Following news Apple secretly paid contractors to listen to audio
recordings from users' iPhones and iPads, we now know virtually every
iPhone and iPad on the planet has been open to attack for at least two
years. Furthermore, the attack was cheap to do, tricked thousands of owners
every week and Apple had no clue it was going on."
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/08/31/apple-iphone-ipad-security-ios-upgrade-iphone-xs-max-xr-update/>
FACTS:
o Apple Still Has Work to do on Privacy
"As flaws go, it looks like a very bad one. And when security fails so
spectacularly, all those shiny privacy promises naturally go straight out
the window. More broadly, it also tests the generally held assumption that
iPhones are superior to Android devices when it comes to security."
<https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/31/apple-still-has-work-to-do-on-privacy/>
FACTS:
o New iPhone Hack Shock For 1 Billion Apple Users As Attacker Is Revealed
"The nature of the hack also shines a light on Apple's approach to
software development and penetration testing and patching. And, to many's
surprise, the Cupertino giant has been found wanting."
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/09/01/ahead-of-iphone-11-new-apple-hack-revelation-will-shock-1-billion-users/#14b3934f4acd>
"For those whose devices were infected, "the attackers were able to get
highly privileged access to core parts of the iPhone operating system." An
attack could access photos and messages, steal login credentials and
banking passwords, even access location information. And those passwords
could have stored in the system, not scraped as a website was being
accessed."
It's interesting that you call facts, Anti Apple facts.
o Why are you so afraid of facts about Apple products?
HINT: Imaginary belief systems are instantly destroyed ... by facts.
o For example, Santa Claus doesn't exist - even if he's highly marketed.
The facts show that Apple merely advertises the _illusion_ of privacy
o Merely advertising imaginary privacy is so much easier than delivering it
Alan Baker
Sep 2, 2019, 1:13:23 PM9/2/19
to
On 2019-08-31 10:26 p.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 10:15:49 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> ...you snip all context for what I said.
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> I speak...
> On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 10:15:49 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> ...you snip all context for what I said.
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
Rudely?
Yes... ...you do.
:-)
Arlen G. Holder
Sep 3, 2019, 12:07:15 PM9/3/19
to
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 10:13:21 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> Rudely?
>
> Yes... ...you do.
Hi Alan Baker,
I study you Apple Apologists since you're not like normal people.
o You don't have _any_ adult response to facts.
I've ascertained that you Apple Apologists are a certain type of person
o Who innately believes in the "messaging" Apple brilliantly promotes
o But who also is unable to exercise _independent_ thought processes
That's really the key.
o You gravitate, like flat earthers, to wholly imaginary belief systems
o Without ever doublechecking what Apple tells you
That's what's completely different about you apologists.
o It's why you're shocked facts instantly DESTROY your imaginary beliefs
An example of facts which destroy your imaginary beliefs are what the media
said about the devastatingly huge security holes addressed in iOS 12.1.4
(based on what Apple "told" them).
Notice Apple never admits to their utter lack of security until and unless
the shit hits the fan, which, of course, it did when a mere child found the
huge facetime bugs in iOS (proving iOS was never sufficiently tested).
What Apple "told" the media, clearly, was that the release was mainly about
fixing those facetime bugs which a child found for them - but - in reality
- what Apple _did_ in the release - was fix the devastatingly huge
pervasive exploits which had been in iOS for _years) at every level of the
operating system, from iOS 10 to iOS 12.
Since I'm an adult, I do two things you apologists never seem to do:
a. I comprehend facts, and,
b. I form logical reasonable assessments of those facts
Which means that while NOTHING you apologists say can you ever back up,
EVERYTHING I say is backed up with cites, since facts bolster my beliefs.
9to5Mac
o Group FaceTime server restored following iOS 12.1.4 release, feature disabled on older versions
<https://9to5mac.com/2019/02/07/group-facetime-server-restored-following-ios-12-1-4-release-feature-disabled-on-older-versions/>
OSXDaily
o iOS 12.1.4 Update Available for iPhone & iPad, Download Now to Get Group FaceTime Back
<http://osxdaily.com/2019/02/07/ios-12-1-4-update-download-ipsw/>
Forbes
o Apple Releases iOS 12.1.4: Details About The Important Update You Should Know
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2019/02/07/ios-12-1-4-features/#21a561d026f8>
MacRumors
o iOS 12.1.4 Ż Bug Fixes, Changes, and Improvements
<https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-1-4-%E2%80%95-bug-fixes-changes-and-improvements.2168866/>
iDropNews
o Apple Officially Releases iOS 12.1.4 with Fix for Group FaceTime Spy Bug
<https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-officially-releases-ios-12-1-4-with-fix-for-group-facetime-spy-bug/55973/>
Notice in EVERY case above, Apple (rather brilliantly) fooled the media.
o They only thought the exploits were few & big...due to lack of testing
o Never knowing the exploits where many & huge ... due to lack of testing
In summary, what you apologists lack, most adults should already have:
a. The ability to comprehend basic facts, and,
b. The ability to assess those basic facts.
> Rudely?
>
> Yes... ...you do.
Hi Alan Baker,
I study you Apple Apologists since you're not like normal people.
o You don't have _any_ adult response to facts.
I've ascertained that you Apple Apologists are a certain type of person
o Who innately believes in the "messaging" Apple brilliantly promotes
o But who also is unable to exercise _independent_ thought processes
That's really the key.
o You gravitate, like flat earthers, to wholly imaginary belief systems
o Without ever doublechecking what Apple tells you
That's what's completely different about you apologists.
o It's why you're shocked facts instantly DESTROY your imaginary beliefs
An example of facts which destroy your imaginary beliefs are what the media
said about the devastatingly huge security holes addressed in iOS 12.1.4
(based on what Apple "told" them).
Notice Apple never admits to their utter lack of security until and unless
the shit hits the fan, which, of course, it did when a mere child found the
huge facetime bugs in iOS (proving iOS was never sufficiently tested).
What Apple "told" the media, clearly, was that the release was mainly about
fixing those facetime bugs which a child found for them - but - in reality
- what Apple _did_ in the release - was fix the devastatingly huge
pervasive exploits which had been in iOS for _years) at every level of the
operating system, from iOS 10 to iOS 12.
Since I'm an adult, I do two things you apologists never seem to do:
a. I comprehend facts, and,
b. I form logical reasonable assessments of those facts
Which means that while NOTHING you apologists say can you ever back up,
EVERYTHING I say is backed up with cites, since facts bolster my beliefs.
9to5Mac
o Group FaceTime server restored following iOS 12.1.4 release, feature disabled on older versions
<https://9to5mac.com/2019/02/07/group-facetime-server-restored-following-ios-12-1-4-release-feature-disabled-on-older-versions/>
OSXDaily
o iOS 12.1.4 Update Available for iPhone & iPad, Download Now to Get Group FaceTime Back
<http://osxdaily.com/2019/02/07/ios-12-1-4-update-download-ipsw/>
Forbes
o Apple Releases iOS 12.1.4: Details About The Important Update You Should Know
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2019/02/07/ios-12-1-4-features/#21a561d026f8>
MacRumors
o iOS 12.1.4 Ż Bug Fixes, Changes, and Improvements
<https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-12-1-4-%E2%80%95-bug-fixes-changes-and-improvements.2168866/>
iDropNews
o Apple Officially Releases iOS 12.1.4 with Fix for Group FaceTime Spy Bug
<https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-officially-releases-ios-12-1-4-with-fix-for-group-facetime-spy-bug/55973/>
Notice in EVERY case above, Apple (rather brilliantly) fooled the media.
o They only thought the exploits were few & big...due to lack of testing
o Never knowing the exploits where many & huge ... due to lack of testing
In summary, what you apologists lack, most adults should already have:
a. The ability to comprehend basic facts, and,
b. The ability to assess those basic facts.
Alan Baker
Sep 3, 2019, 1:32:04 PM9/3/19
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On 2019-09-03 9:07 a.m., Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 10:13:21 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Rudely?
>>
>> Yes... ...you do.
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
> I...
> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 10:13:21 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> Rudely?
>>
>> Yes... ...you do.
> Hi Alan Baker,
>
...behave like a complete asshole?
Yes. You do.
Calum
Sep 6, 2019, 8:00:20 AM9/6/19
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On 30/08/2019 15:56, AG Holder wrote:
> Who found this security flaw, which was in use for years, in the wild?
> o HINT: Not Apple. (Pssst. It was Google. Again.)
And who forgot to mention that the same attack also targeted Android and
> Who found this security flaw, which was in use for years, in the wild?
> o HINT: Not Apple. (Pssst. It was Google. Again.)
Windows? Oh yeah, Google.
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2019/09/01/iphone-hackers-caught-by-google-also-targeted-android-and-microsoft-windows-say-sources/#3abf95684adf>
Lewis
Sep 6, 2019, 3:20:28 PM9/6/19
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In message <gtfkdt...@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> "OOPSIE", said the Google, "Totally innocent, guys, trust us!" ; )
I will say this, and it may be way off base, but here goes.
The people on Google's project zero are not wonks, they are real serious
security people and they get paid to find these sorts of flaws and they
reveal them to get them fixed.
Now, they found a really serious issue with some servers that were using
a series of flaws, some unknown, to target iOS devices. This was a
fascinating (to them) issue because it showed just how deep the rabbit
hole of security can go and just how much effort some people (in this
case, governments) will go to in order to subvert your security.
So they posted about it to show just how complex this hack was and how
clever it was (and by extension, how clever they were to find it).
Now, these same servers were targeting Windows and Android and they
didn't mention that. Why? Was it for a nefarious reason? Did someone
higher up at google edit the blog post or force the researcher to redact
it?
Not a chance. That would have blown up HUGE.
He didn't talk about Windows and Android because the effort needed to
hack Android and Windows is trivial and not worth taking a deep dive on.
I mean, anyone can add "If os.type="Android' then INSTALL_ROOTKIT();" in
their code, that's not clever, and hacking android takes very little
more than that.
That's my 2¢
--
A bad day using a Mac is better than a good day using Windows
I will say this, and it may be way off base, but here goes.
The people on Google's project zero are not wonks, they are real serious
security people and they get paid to find these sorts of flaws and they
reveal them to get them fixed.
Now, they found a really serious issue with some servers that were using
a series of flaws, some unknown, to target iOS devices. This was a
fascinating (to them) issue because it showed just how deep the rabbit
hole of security can go and just how much effort some people (in this
case, governments) will go to in order to subvert your security.
So they posted about it to show just how complex this hack was and how
clever it was (and by extension, how clever they were to find it).
Now, these same servers were targeting Windows and Android and they
didn't mention that. Why? Was it for a nefarious reason? Did someone
higher up at google edit the blog post or force the researcher to redact
it?
Not a chance. That would have blown up HUGE.
He didn't talk about Windows and Android because the effort needed to
hack Android and Windows is trivial and not worth taking a deep dive on.
I mean, anyone can add "If os.type="Android' then INSTALL_ROOTKIT();" in
their code, that's not clever, and hacking android takes very little
more than that.
That's my 2¢
--
A bad day using a Mac is better than a good day using Windows
Johan
Sep 8, 2019, 6:34:36 AM9/8/19
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Op 06-sep.-19 om 19:47 schreef Jolly Roger:
Google's faillures and collecting lots of data. Does he trust Google?
Well I don't at all.
More of the latetst:
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/a-message-about-ios-security/
> On 2019-09-06, Calum <com....@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
> "OOPSIE", said the Google, "Totally innocent, guys, trust us!" ; )
>
Why does A.G. Holder (I blocked this guy, so I react here) not react on
>
Google's faillures and collecting lots of data. Does he trust Google?
Well I don't at all.
More of the latetst:
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/a-message-about-ios-security/
Rotkäppchen
Sep 9, 2019, 4:18:52 AM9/9/19
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On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 12:34:35 +0200, Johan wrote:
> Why does A.G. Holder (I blocked this guy, so I react here) not react on
> Google's faillures and collecting lots of data.
"All the better to troll you with."
> Why does A.G. Holder (I blocked this guy, so I react here) not react on
> Google's faillures and collecting lots of data.
REF:
"Grandmother, what big ears you have," said Little Red Riding Hood.
"All the better to hear you with," replied the wolf.
"Grandmother, what big eyes you have," said Little Red Riding Hood.
"All the better to see you with" replied the wolf.
"Grandmother, what big teeth you have," said Little Red Riding Hood.
"All the better to eat you with," replied the wolf.
None
Sep 9, 2019, 3:07:54 PM9/9/19
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Alan Baker <nu...@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2019-08-20 10:02 p.m., Arlen George Holder wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:48:08 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>> Yet it is you who has consistently refused to define the term.
>>
>> Apple re-introduced a critical bug into the latest iOS release
>> that Google caught in just days, since it was a bug that Apple had
>> previously fixed - and - clearly - the facts show - Apple's QA doesn't even
>> test for bugs that have already been fixed while Google clearly does.
>>
>> It's obvious, Alan, that Apple does not sufficiently test releases.
>> o Otherwise, this horrific bug wouldn't have been shipped TWICE!
>>
>> Meanwhile, Apple is content to merely advertise the _illusion_ of security
>> o Which, apparently, is all that the Apple user cares about.
>>
>> The Apple user merely wants to _feel_ safe - not actually _be_ safe
>> o Like a child told by his mommy that the monster can't get out of the
>> closet if she shuts the closet door at night.
>>
>
> So Apple is the only company that has ever accidentally unpatched a bug,
> are they?
>
Well, in this case there is some basis to his diatribe, Apple failed to
catch it in the regression testing, hopefully someone got a bollocking for
it.
Of course the village idiot goes overboard to try and claim that this
proves that Apple does insufficient testing compared to the industry
standard, which it doesn’t prove at all (but does give some weight to)
> On 2019-08-20 10:02 p.m., Arlen George Holder wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:48:08 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>>> Yet it is you who has consistently refused to define the term.
>>
>> Apple re-introduced a critical bug into the latest iOS release
>> that Google caught in just days, since it was a bug that Apple had
>> previously fixed - and - clearly - the facts show - Apple's QA doesn't even
>> test for bugs that have already been fixed while Google clearly does.
>>
>> It's obvious, Alan, that Apple does not sufficiently test releases.
>> o Otherwise, this horrific bug wouldn't have been shipped TWICE!
>>
>> Meanwhile, Apple is content to merely advertise the _illusion_ of security
>> o Which, apparently, is all that the Apple user cares about.
>>
>> The Apple user merely wants to _feel_ safe - not actually _be_ safe
>> o Like a child told by his mommy that the monster can't get out of the
>> closet if she shuts the closet door at night.
>>
>
> So Apple is the only company that has ever accidentally unpatched a bug,
> are they?
>
Well, in this case there is some basis to his diatribe, Apple failed to
catch it in the regression testing, hopefully someone got a bollocking for
it.
Of course the village idiot goes overboard to try and claim that this
proves that Apple does insufficient testing compared to the industry
standard, which it doesn’t prove at all (but does give some weight to)
nospam
Sep 9, 2019, 5:22:16 PM9/9/19
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In article <gtnm89...@mid.individual.net>, None
other companies are much worse, in particular microsoft, where windows
10 updates are likely to be very problematic.
windows 10 anniversary update caused massive problems with most
webcams, 1809 erased user's files causing microsoft to pull the update
from distribution, and worse, they knew about the problem and ignored
it. 1903 won't update if there's a usb drive connected, a very common
scenario, among *numerous* other problems.
<https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-may-2019-update-biggest-probl
ems-and-complaints>
<som...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > So Apple is the only company that has ever accidentally unpatched a bug,
> > are they?
> >
>
> Well, in this case there is some basis to his diatribe, Apple failed to
> catch it in the regression testing, hopefully someone got a bollocking for
> it.
>
> Of course the village idiot goes overboard to try and claim that this
> proves that Apple does insufficient testing compared to the industry
> standard, which it doesnšt prove at all (but does give some weight to)
> > So Apple is the only company that has ever accidentally unpatched a bug,
> > are they?
> >
>
> Well, in this case there is some basis to his diatribe, Apple failed to
> catch it in the regression testing, hopefully someone got a bollocking for
> it.
>
> Of course the village idiot goes overboard to try and claim that this
> proves that Apple does insufficient testing compared to the industry
other companies are much worse, in particular microsoft, where windows
10 updates are likely to be very problematic.
windows 10 anniversary update caused massive problems with most
webcams, 1809 erased user's files causing microsoft to pull the update
from distribution, and worse, they knew about the problem and ignored
it. 1903 won't update if there's a usb drive connected, a very common
scenario, among *numerous* other problems.
<https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-may-2019-update-biggest-probl
ems-and-complaints>
Arlen Holder
Sep 20, 2019, 5:56:34 PM9/20/19
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FACT:
o Apple (yet again) shipped a similar bug TWICE (and shipped iOS 13 anyway)
LOGIC:
o Apple QA on iOS is so shoddy - they don't even look for similar bugs!
o Apple cares more about release schedule - than actual security.
(It's so much easier to advertise security - than to test for it.)
Yet more proof (if any was needed) Apple (again) ships bugs TWICE on iOS
(they don't even bother to do QA on the same old exploits!)
o Yet more proof (if any was needed) Apple (again) ships bugs TWICE on iOS
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/rjO9yG7CfwU>
<https://www.imore.com/new-ios-13-exploit-gives-people-access-your-contacts>
"Rodrigues has already reported it to Apple and we'd expect it to be
fixed soon, if it isn't already. They also found a similar flaw in iOS 12
last year which allowed people to access a device's photos and contacts.
Apple subsequently patched that, too."
o Apple (yet again) shipped a similar bug TWICE (and shipped iOS 13 anyway)
LOGIC:
o Apple QA on iOS is so shoddy - they don't even look for similar bugs!
o Apple cares more about release schedule - than actual security.
(It's so much easier to advertise security - than to test for it.)
Yet more proof (if any was needed) Apple (again) ships bugs TWICE on iOS
(they don't even bother to do QA on the same old exploits!)
o Yet more proof (if any was needed) Apple (again) ships bugs TWICE on iOS
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/rjO9yG7CfwU>
<https://www.imore.com/new-ios-13-exploit-gives-people-access-your-contacts>
"Rodrigues has already reported it to Apple and we'd expect it to be
fixed soon, if it isn't already. They also found a similar flaw in iOS 12
last year which allowed people to access a device's photos and contacts.
Apple subsequently patched that, too."
Alan Baker
Sep 20, 2019, 6:11:11 PM9/20/19
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On 2019-09-20 2:56 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> FACT:
> o Apple (yet again) shipped a similar bug TWICE (and shipped iOS 13 anyway)
Yet again...
> FACT:
> o Apple (yet again) shipped a similar bug TWICE (and shipped iOS 13 anyway)
...similar...
TWICE.
Do you even actually know what you're trying to say.
> LOGIC:
> o Apple QA on iOS is so shoddy - they don't even look for similar bugs!
> o Apple cares more about release schedule - than actual security.
>
> (It's so much easier to advertise security - than to test for it.)
>
> Yet more proof (if any was needed) Apple (again) ships bugs TWICE on iOS
> (they don't even bother to do QA on the same old exploits!)
> o Yet more proof (if any was needed) Apple (again) ships bugs TWICE on iOS
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/rjO9yG7CfwU>
>
>
> <https://www.imore.com/new-ios-13-exploit-gives-people-access-your-contacts>
> "Rodrigues has already reported it to Apple and we'd expect it to be
> fixed soon, if it isn't already. They also found a similar flaw in iOS 12
> last year which allowed people to access a device's photos and contacts.
> Apple subsequently patched that, too."
>
Arlen Holder
Dec 12, 2019, 9:35:36 AM12/12/19
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On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 10:32:18 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> ...behave like a complete asshole?
>
> Yes. You do.
FACTS
> ...behave like a complete asshole?
>
> Yes. You do.
*Proof Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested iOS for vulnerabilities*
O Apple prefers to loudly ADVERTISE (purely imaginary) iOS quality
Apple hasn't spent even _five minutes_ testing for this bug since iOS 7
when Apple introduced this AirDrop AirDos vulnerability in the first place!
o If You Don't Update To Apple iOS 13.3 You Could Get Locked Out Of Your iPhone
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/12/11/if-you-dont-update-to-apple-ios-133-you-could-get-locked-out-of-your-iphone/>
"a security researcher by the name of Kishan Bagaria uncovered a bug in the
AirDrop file transfer feature *that was introduced in iOS 7*"
Alan Baker
Dec 12, 2019, 8:20:59 PM12/12/19
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You don't know WHEN the bug was introduced.
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