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badgolferman
Jun 21, 2019, 10:39:45 AM6/21/19
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In a stunning exclusive, legendary Apple insider Ming-Chi Kuo has revealed
Apple will kill off its premium 5.8-inch iPhone X/XS/11 and replace it with
the spiritual heir to the iPhone SE but with flagship specs. In an age
where smartphone makers think bigger is better, it’s a radical move.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/20/apple-iphone-cancellation-upgrade-iphone-xs-max-iphone-xr/
Apple will kill off its premium 5.8-inch iPhone X/XS/11 and replace it with
the spiritual heir to the iPhone SE but with flagship specs. In an age
where smartphone makers think bigger is better, it’s a radical move.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/20/apple-iphone-cancellation-upgrade-iphone-xs-max-iphone-xr/
nospam
Jun 21, 2019, 10:56:13 AM6/21/19
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In article <qeiq7e$18ni$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
yet another misleading gordon kelly article.
News
Jun 21, 2019, 11:06:01 AM6/21/19
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Jolly Roger
Jun 21, 2019, 11:16:38 AM6/21/19
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fall for his his tripe.
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JF Mezei
Jun 21, 2019, 12:34:22 PM6/21/19
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On 2019-06-21 10:39, badgolferman wrote:
> In a stunning exclusive, legendary Apple insider Ming-Chi Kuo has revealed
> Apple will kill off its premium 5.8-inch iPhone X/XS/11 and replace it with
> the spiritual heir to the iPhone SE but with flagship specs.
One problem with this: the Xr is actually bigger than the Xs. (device
> In a stunning exclusive, legendary Apple insider Ming-Chi Kuo has revealed
> Apple will kill off its premium 5.8-inch iPhone X/XS/11 and replace it with
> the spiritual heir to the iPhone SE but with flagship specs.
size, nopt screen size).
Reducing size causes anpother problem: reduced battery size.
sms
Jun 21, 2019, 12:55:20 PM6/21/19
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There is sufficiently high demand for a physically smaller device but
with high-end specs. Someone buying a 5.8" Xs is already not very
concerned about the physical size of the phone and is willing to move up
to an Xr or Xs Max. But there is no flagship iPhone for someone wanting
a physically smaller device. They can buy an older mid-range device, the
iPhone 8 with a 4.7", fairly low-resolution screen, or hope to nab one
of the few remaining low-end iPhone SE devices as they become available.
It this prediction is true, and Ming-Chi Kuo has an extremely good
record when it comes to these predictions, it's evidence that Apple's
marketing department has done their homework.
With a bezel-less screen you can make a smaller device but with a
reasonably sized screen 5.2"-5.5", that is much smaller than the older
iPhone models that had large bezels.
As Ming-Chi Kuo noted, there aren't any small Android flagship models
anymore either, so Apple would have this market space all to itself, at
least until Samsung or some other manufacturer followed Apple's lead.
sms
Jun 21, 2019, 1:13:00 PM6/21/19
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On 6/21/2019 10:10 AM, Ed Norton wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 12:55:17 -0400, sms wrote
> (in article <qej25n$dme$1...@dont-email.me>):
LOL, they may not have realized just how big the demand was for a
smaller phone until they put some of the new-old-stock of the SE up for
sale, though part of the high demand for the SE was because of the low
price that they were closing them out at.
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 12:55:17 -0400, sms wrote
> (in article <qej25n$dme$1...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> It this prediction is true, and Ming-Chi Kuo has an extremely good record
>> when it comes to these predictions, it's evidence that Apple's marketing
>> department has done their homework.
>
> But turned it in late.
>> It this prediction is true, and Ming-Chi Kuo has an extremely good record
>> when it comes to these predictions, it's evidence that Apple's marketing
>> department has done their homework.
>
LOL, they may not have realized just how big the demand was for a
smaller phone until they put some of the new-old-stock of the SE up for
sale, though part of the high demand for the SE was because of the low
price that they were closing them out at.
nospam
Jun 21, 2019, 1:16:11 PM6/21/19
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In article <hG7PE.3$lz...@fx06.iad>, JF Mezei
higher resolution display, a very good tradeoff.
> Reducing size causes anpother problem: reduced battery size.
so what?
the xr, which is smaller than the xs max, has *better* battery life.
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>
> One problem with this: the Xr is actually bigger than the Xs. (device
> size, nopt screen size).
it's not a problem and the xr is only slightly bigger, with a much
>
>
> One problem with this: the Xr is actually bigger than the Xs. (device
> size, nopt screen size).
higher resolution display, a very good tradeoff.
> Reducing size causes anpother problem: reduced battery size.
the xr, which is smaller than the xs max, has *better* battery life.
JF Mezei
Jun 21, 2019, 1:31:18 PM6/21/19
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On 2019-06-21 13:12, sms wrote:
> LOL, they may not have realized just how big the demand was for a
> smaller phone until they put some of the new-old-stock of the SE up for
> sale, though part of the high demand for the SE was because of the low
> price that they were closing them out at.
During its lifetime, the SE was always a very good seller. the Wall
> LOL, they may not have realized just how big the demand was for a
> smaller phone until they put some of the new-old-stock of the SE up for
> sale, though part of the high demand for the SE was because of the low
> price that they were closing them out at.
Street Casino Analysts kknew that from the publish average sale price
that Apple published showed the SE had a big impact that pushed the
average selling price down. This metric did provide some visibility on
volumes which Apple would otherwise not publish.
The SE had same CPU as the 6s, but I guess its screen drew less power
but eventually, the shutdown problem would/did surface and Apple
woudln't want the liability of selling more of them while being on the
hook for battery replacements.
Apploe gets criticized by Wall Stree Casino Analsysts if it has low
margins, and eliminating the SE allowed it to raise average selling
price and profit margins.
But at a time when people replace phones at less frequency, Apple is
likely having to revisit the SE concept which would raise volumes and
tape into abandonned market.
And with Apple moving to the "services" area, volume count becaise only
Apple customers buy Apple services.
Arlen G. Holder
Jun 21, 2019, 2:02:13 PM6/21/19
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 13:16:10 -0400, nospam wrote:
> the xr, which is smaller than the xs max, has *better* battery life.
Every iPhone up to and including the iPhone X is known to be highly flawed.
> the xr, which is smaller than the xs max, has *better* battery life.
It remains to be seen if the newer batch is similarly highly flawed.
Arlen G. Holder
Jun 21, 2019, 2:02:14 PM6/21/19
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On 21 Jun 2019 15:16:36 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Gordon Kelly, perpetual known-nothing Apple troll. Gullible idiots love to
> fall for his his tripe.
Notice the vitriol Jolly Roger reserves for those who speak facts.
> Gordon Kelly, perpetual known-nothing Apple troll. Gullible idiots love to
> fall for his his tripe.
The moron Apple Apologists don't realize Gordon Kelly is simply stating
what at least _two_ other well-known-as reputable sources have stated.
The Apologists _hate_ facts because facts instantly _destroy_ the
Apologists' imaginary belief system.
Arlen G. Holder
Jun 21, 2019, 2:05:12 PM6/21/19
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:02:13 -0000 (UTC), Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> Every iPhone up to and including the iPhone X is known to be highly flawed.
>
> It remains to be seen if the newer batch is similarly highly flawed.
Since the Apologists play their silly semantic games dancing around
> Every iPhone up to and including the iPhone X is known to be highly flawed.
>
> It remains to be seen if the newer batch is similarly highly flawed.
facts...
I correct that by changing:
"Every iPhone up to and including the iPhone X is known to be highly
flawed"
To:
flawed"
"Every _recent_ iPhone up to and including the iPhone X is known to be
highly flawed"
I know everyone knows that's what I meant, especially as Usenet is a casual
medium, but the Apologists, having zero facts to back up their imaginary
beliefs, LOVE to pounce on minor thinkos like that...
It remains to be seen how badly flawed the newer crop of iPhone are...
sms
Jun 21, 2019, 2:10:34 PM6/21/19
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On 6/21/2019 10:31 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
<snip>
> But at a time when people replace phones at less frequency, Apple is
> likely having to revisit the SE concept which would raise volumes and
> tape into abandonned market.
If the smaller phone is successful then look to Samsung, LG, Google,
etc., suddenly deciding that making a smaller flagship is a good idea.
Not only are there no small Android flagship models, there is really
only one Android small (and not really that small) mid-range model
left--all the other remaining smaller screen Android models sold in the
U.S. are low-end (there are some other mid-range smaller Android models
sold in other countries but those don't support Verizon or Sprint
because they lack CDMA support so there are not U.S. versions).
I went through this a while back with replacement phones for my wife and
daughter. They had 5.0" Android LG phones (low-end models that were very
low cost from the carrier), but we were switching to Verizon and they
needed new phones. They did not want large screen phones. There was
_one_ mid-range smaller Android phone, the Moto X4, which is comparable
to, but a little larger, than the iPhone 7 or 8. Too much bezel, but
that was unavoidable.
At the time I did a spreadsheet comparison of the iPhone 7 and 8 versus
the Moto X4. I would have gotten them either one, and the iPhone 7 was
available for $300 for the 32GB version, but several things clinched it
for the X4: 1) the headphone jack, 2) the MicroSD card slot (especially
important when the internal Flash is only 32GB), 3) the higher
resolution screen, 4) Separate Ring and Notification Volumes, 5) they
already had several paid Android apps that would have to be purchased
again for iOS, as well as one app that is not available on iOS.
The comparison I did is at
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SFzYcyVTkbwoA70PkWVIbS6-VkBDj20qDWU99wat-cI>.
I updated it with current prices. Amazon has the X4 64GB model for $220,
and two versions of the X4 32GB model with the Prime exclusive 32GB
model at $140.
<snip>
> But at a time when people replace phones at less frequency, Apple is
> likely having to revisit the SE concept which would raise volumes and
> tape into abandonned market.
etc., suddenly deciding that making a smaller flagship is a good idea.
Not only are there no small Android flagship models, there is really
only one Android small (and not really that small) mid-range model
left--all the other remaining smaller screen Android models sold in the
U.S. are low-end (there are some other mid-range smaller Android models
sold in other countries but those don't support Verizon or Sprint
because they lack CDMA support so there are not U.S. versions).
I went through this a while back with replacement phones for my wife and
daughter. They had 5.0" Android LG phones (low-end models that were very
low cost from the carrier), but we were switching to Verizon and they
needed new phones. They did not want large screen phones. There was
_one_ mid-range smaller Android phone, the Moto X4, which is comparable
to, but a little larger, than the iPhone 7 or 8. Too much bezel, but
that was unavoidable.
At the time I did a spreadsheet comparison of the iPhone 7 and 8 versus
the Moto X4. I would have gotten them either one, and the iPhone 7 was
available for $300 for the 32GB version, but several things clinched it
for the X4: 1) the headphone jack, 2) the MicroSD card slot (especially
important when the internal Flash is only 32GB), 3) the higher
resolution screen, 4) Separate Ring and Notification Volumes, 5) they
already had several paid Android apps that would have to be purchased
again for iOS, as well as one app that is not available on iOS.
The comparison I did is at
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SFzYcyVTkbwoA70PkWVIbS6-VkBDj20qDWU99wat-cI>.
I updated it with current prices. Amazon has the X4 64GB model for $220,
and two versions of the X4 32GB model with the Prime exclusive 32GB
model at $140.
Arlen G. Holder
Jun 21, 2019, 2:10:37 PM6/21/19
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 13:31:17 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:
> But at a time when people replace phones at less frequency, Apple is
> likely having to revisit the SE concept which would raise volumes and
> tape into abandonned market.
Personally, I often predicted, as you know, that Apple had to replace every
> But at a time when people replace phones at less frequency, Apple is
> likely having to revisit the SE concept which would raise volumes and
> tape into abandonned market.
recent highly flawed phone up to and including the iPhone X, simply
becjause the design flaws are horrific in terms of
o Unacceptable loss of stability, or,
o Unacceptable loss of performance
(You _must_ choose one!)
Hence, to me, it's would be no surprise if EVERY highly flawed model was
removed from the market.
IMHO, given the horrible flaws, they're all dinosaurs already anyway...
o and, IMHO, with 5G coming soon, they're soon due to be extincted'
You can disagree with the weight I put on the facts
o But the fact remains that they're highly flawed
And the fact remains they're slow as dog poo in light of what's coming up.
Hence, it's perfectly natural, IMHO, for Apple to extinct the entire crop.
Arlen G. Holder
Jun 21, 2019, 2:23:40 PM6/21/19
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 11:10:31 -0700, sms wrote:
> several things clinched it
> for the X4: 1) the headphone jack, 2) the MicroSD card slot (especially
> important when the internal Flash is only 32GB),
Hi Steve,
> several things clinched it
> for the X4: 1) the headphone jack, 2) the MicroSD card slot (especially
> important when the internal Flash is only 32GB),
I love your charts:
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SFzYcyVTkbwoA70PkWVIbS6-VkBDj20qDWU99wat-cI/edit#gid=0>
o iPhone expandable storage = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone headhone jack = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern FM radio = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern USB OTG = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone legacy Flash support = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern Ring & Notification separation = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern multitasking = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern set default apps = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern always on display = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern app launcher = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern split screen = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern PIP = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern data limit alerts = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern instant apps = red (i.e., nope)
o iPhone modern app repository = red (i.e., nope)
etc.
Your spreadsheet shows all that lack of functionality comes at a price
which _starts_ at DOUBLE the price for the more modern Android design!
It's yet another datum which supports my factual belief system that not
only do iPhone owners enjoy astronomical overall costs of ownership, but
they also enjoy a horrific lack of modern functionality.
HINT: The primitive iOS app launcher is stuck in the stone age of
functionality, at more than twice the price of a modern phone.
nospam
Jun 21, 2019, 3:45:08 PM6/21/19
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In article <Fv8PE.33$o03...@fx31.iad>, JF Mezei
> the Wall
> Street Casino Analysts kknew that from the publish average sale price
> that Apple published showed the SE had a big impact that pushed the
> average selling price down. This metric did provide some visibility on
> volumes which Apple would otherwise not publish.
asp has gone up.
> The SE had same CPU as the 6s, but I guess its screen drew less power
> but eventually, the shutdown problem would/did surface and Apple
> woudln't want the liability of selling more of them while being on the
> hook for battery replacements.
more than just the display reduced the overall power demands.
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> > LOL, they may not have realized just how big the demand was for a
> > smaller phone until they put some of the new-old-stock of the SE up for
> > sale, though part of the high demand for the SE was because of the low
> > price that they were closing them out at.
>
> During its lifetime, the SE was always a very good seller.
not good enough to keep it in the lineup.
>
> > LOL, they may not have realized just how big the demand was for a
> > smaller phone until they put some of the new-old-stock of the SE up for
> > sale, though part of the high demand for the SE was because of the low
> > price that they were closing them out at.
>
> During its lifetime, the SE was always a very good seller.
> the Wall
> Street Casino Analysts kknew that from the publish average sale price
> that Apple published showed the SE had a big impact that pushed the
> average selling price down. This metric did provide some visibility on
> volumes which Apple would otherwise not publish.
> The SE had same CPU as the 6s, but I guess its screen drew less power
> but eventually, the shutdown problem would/did surface and Apple
> woudln't want the liability of selling more of them while being on the
> hook for battery replacements.
nospam
Jun 21, 2019, 3:45:09 PM6/21/19
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In article <qej634$5dh$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder
<arling...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> Every comment i make is known to be highly flawed.
ftfy
<arling...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> Every comment i make is known to be highly flawed.
ftfy
Lewis
Jun 21, 2019, 5:35:54 PM6/21/19
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In message <qeiq7e$18ni$1...@gioia.aioe.org> badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In a stunning exclusive, legendary Apple insider Ming-Chi Kuo has revealed
> Apple will kill off its premium 5.8-inch iPhone X/XS/11 and replace it with
> the spiritual heir to the iPhone SE but with flagship specs. In an age
> where smartphone makers think bigger is better, it’s a radical move.
You need to stop reading the shitrag Forbes.
> In a stunning exclusive, legendary Apple insider Ming-Chi Kuo has revealed
> Apple will kill off its premium 5.8-inch iPhone X/XS/11 and replace it with
> the spiritual heir to the iPhone SE but with flagship specs. In an age
> where smartphone makers think bigger is better, it’s a radical move.
--
Ten Minutes ago you beat a man senseless. He was senseless before I
beat him.
Arlen G. Holder
Jun 21, 2019, 8:46:56 PM6/21/19
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 21:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> You need to stop reading the shitrag Forbes.
The Apple Apologists always prove to own the mind of children!
> You need to stop reading the shitrag Forbes.
o They don't like facts - so they blame the mere messenger!
I love how the morons Lewis & Jolly Roger always prove they can't possibly
comprehend that the "messenger" isn't the problem.
These Apple Apologists clearly prove they have no comprehension of facts.
o They deny the facts, simply because they don't like facts.
Arlen G. Holder
Jun 21, 2019, 8:46:57 PM6/21/19
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 15:45:09 -0400, nospam wrote:
>> Every comment i make is known to be highly flawed.
>
> ftfy
Yet again, the ONLY way you can respond to fact, nospam,
>> Every comment i make is known to be highly flawed.
>
> ftfy
is to distort (i.e., fabricate) what was said.
You always prove to own the brain of a child, nospam.
o You couldn't last a week with adults
Your credibility is no better than the result of a coin toss.
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