iPhone Firmware Update 2.02 released
David G. Imber
might fix yet.
DGI
MC
David G. Imber <im...@maniform.com> wrote:
> In case anyone wasn't aware. Haven't really tested for what it
> might fix yet.
I installed it - don't see any difference.
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Larry
@news.motzarella.org:
> I installed it - don't see any difference.
>
No cut and paste yet, eh?
NightStalker
im...@maniform.com says...
> In case anyone wasn't aware. Haven't really tested for what it
> might fix yet.
>
> DGI
>
A few people have reported that it improves the 3G connection, but many,
many more (including me) report that it makes the 3G problem WORSE.
I used to get 3-4 bars of 3G connection in my home, but now get either 1
bar, or "No service". If I do get lucky and get one bar, it will drop
out after a few minutes with the message "Connection to your provider
has been lost".
I've called Apple, and they are becoming aware of the problem, but of
course, won't publicly acknowledge it.
Try Google - you'll see what I mean :)
Oh yes - one problem they HAVE fixed is the awful lag on opening the
contacts list before you can drag it up or down. Now the list can be
dragged almost immediately it opens - trouble is, there is now a short
delay before ANYthing appears on the screen. I think they've just
shifted the lag to before the screen draw....
My recommendation - wait for the next update and skip 2.0.2
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NightStalker
NightS...@somewhere.or.other says...
> A few people have reported that it improves the 3G connection, but many,
> many more (including me) report that it makes the 3G problem WORSE.
>
Here is a link to a round-up of the 3G connectivity problems:
http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/08/19/iphone-3g-connectivity-failure-
roundup/
Watch out for wrap in the link as posted.
Or you can use this TinyURL link:
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Larry
news:MPG.2315ccead...@news-europe.giganews.com:
> My recommendation - wait for the next update and skip 2.0.2
>
One more time....SOFTWARE is NOT going to fix defective HARDWARE, not now,
not ever....
The radio problem in iPhone is an ANALOG problem....shitty antennas feeding
multipath to poorly designed and implemented receivers.....and, of course,
PROPAGATION PHYSICS eating high speed data with timing errors, every time.
Don't wait for another software patch. Wait for the class action suit to
force a RECALL!
Every user should have taken the defective product BACK to Apple or the ATT
store WITHIN the return policy period.....
Now you'll have to wait for the lawyers to force them....which could take
years of footdragging.
Larry
news:MPG.2315ce9af...@news-europe.giganews.com:
> http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/08/19/iphone-3g-connectivity-failure-
Those sneaky Cnet bastards rubbing salt in an open wound.....
When I clicked up the URL, a BLACKBERRY movie ad popped up....right at the
top of the screen!
I wonder how much that cost the RIMM investors....(c;
Too funny....
SMS
> NightStalker <NightS...@somewhere.or.other> wrote in
> news:MPG.2315ccead...@news-europe.giganews.com:
>
>> My recommendation - wait for the next update and skip 2.0.2
>>
>
> One more time....SOFTWARE is NOT going to fix defective HARDWARE, not now,
> not ever....
There are often software workarounds to hardware problems.
> The radio problem in iPhone is an ANALOG problem....shitty antennas feeding
> multipath to poorly designed and implemented receivers.....and, of course,
> PROPAGATION PHYSICS eating high speed data with timing errors, every time.
The iPhone phone section works. It may not be the best GSM phone in
terms of the radio section, but it works well enough for most users. No
one that cares about the best cellular service is on AT&T in the first
place.
Todd Allcock
> One more time....SOFTWARE is NOT going to fix defective HARDWARE, not
now,
> not ever....
Depends on the defect- often software can "patch" the symptom, which solves
the problem.
Besides, since so many chipsets themselves have flashable code on them,
it's hard to know wher the "hardware" ends and the "firmware" begins these
days.
> The radio problem in iPhone is an ANALOG problem....shitty antennas
feeding
> multipath to poorly designed and implemented receivers.....and, of
course,
> PROPAGATION PHYSICS eating high speed data with timing errors, every time.
Not much different than any number of tiny phones cramming in several
different radios transmitting and receiving half-a-dozen bands. My Tilt is
quadband GSM, tri-band UMTS, WiFi, BT, and GPS, just lke an iPhone. It's
WiFi and BT range are limited compared to my laptop, the GPS receiver seems
slighly less sensitive than my BT puck, and it's phone reception, while not
lousy, certainly isn't Nokia quality. But then again, the scissors and
screwdriver on my Swiss Army Knife aren't that great either- convenience
and convergence comes with a price!
> Don't wait for another software patch. Wait for the class action suit to
> force a RECALL!
>
> Every user should have taken the defective product BACK to Apple or the
ATT
> store WITHIN the return policy period.....
>
> Now you'll have to wait for the lawyers to force them....which could take
> years of footdragging.
And after the $500 million dollar lawsuit is settled, the lawyers keep
half, and the affected consumers get a "$25 off an iPhone 4G" coupon...
As a law school prof I know jokes, "a class-action lawsuit is like a river
of money, and the lawyer's job is to wade in and fill as many buckets as he
can..."
Nigel
scharf...@geemail.com wrote on 20/08/08 1:30 PM:
Well it appears to me that many of the issues are US-based. Now that could
be because AT&T have a crap 3G network (likely), or US citizens are more
likely to complain :) Come on downunder - it seems to work well here. Of
course, no cellular network is bulletproof and even CDMA and more
traditional networks arent always perfect either.
And of course you can reset or change the behaviour of hardware with
software upgrades - but you cant replace abd hardware with software.
Nigel - Downunder
DevilsPGD
<elecc...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>Depends on the defect- often software can "patch" the symptom, which solves
>the problem.
>
>Besides, since so many chipsets themselves have flashable code on them,
>it's hard to know wher the "hardware" ends and the "firmware" begins these
>days.
Indeed -- In this case, imagine that the only problem is that the iPhone
doesn't use enough power transmitting due to poor traces between the
chipset and antenna.
It might be possible to recalibrate the amount of power used to resolve
the issue.
On the other hand, if it's an actual hardware detect that software
cannot compensate, it will be interesting to see how/if Apple handles
it.
Larry
news:687na4h5bc1c1gge5...@4ax.com:
> On the other hand, if it's an actual hardware detect that software
> cannot compensate, it will be interesting to see how/if Apple handles
> it.
>
>
Can you imagine how much a recall of 3 million 3G's will cost them?
They are also in trouble with the Nano melting or catching fire.
Glad I sold it....Someone's gonna take a real bath if Stevie can't bullshit
his way out of recalls.
nospam
<no...@home.com> wrote:
> NightStalker <NightS...@somewhere.or.other> wrote in
> news:MPG.2315ccead...@news-europe.giganews.com:
>
> > My recommendation - wait for the next update and skip 2.0.2
> >
>
> One more time....SOFTWARE is NOT going to fix defective HARDWARE, not now,
> not ever....
and you know this how? did you take apart one and determine the cause
and a fix? didn't think so.
there is nothing conclusive that says whether it's hardware, software
or a combination thereof. a financial analyst claimed it's hardware,
but this same guy claimed last year's iphone had a defective screen,
something which turned out to be false. not a whole lot of credibility
there.
> The radio problem in iPhone is an ANALOG problem....shitty antennas feeding
> multipath to poorly designed and implemented receivers.....and, of course,
> PROPAGATION PHYSICS eating high speed data with timing errors, every time.
exactly what is the error rate? did you buy one and put it on a test
bench? let's see some numbers. oh wait, you don't have any.
SMS
> Well it appears to me that many of the issues are US-based. Now that could
> be because AT&T have a crap 3G network (likely),
Very true.
DevilsPGD
<no...@home.com> wrote:
>DevilsPGD <spam_na...@crazyhat.net> wrote in
>news:687na4h5bc1c1gge5...@4ax.com:
>
>> On the other hand, if it's an actual hardware detect that software
>> cannot compensate, it will be interesting to see how/if Apple handles
>> it.
>
>Can you imagine how much a recall of 3 million 3G's will cost them?
More then doing QA properly next time around. That's the point.
Jo Baggs
good question. What exactly is the error rate? Never mind, I wouldnt know
what the answer means anyway.
So, should I keep my 1st Generation iPhone?
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DevilsPGD
<n...@one.home> wrote:
>Yeah,
>good question. What exactly is the error rate? Never mind, I wouldnt know
>what the answer means anyway.
>
>So, should I keep my 1st Generation iPhone?
Unless you need a new phone, I'd wait and see right now. That being
said, I haven't had any real significant problems, no dropped calls.
Phillip Walters
I am in the UK on O2 and have never experienced a dropped call with my
phone.
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SMS
> Yeah,
> good question. What exactly is the error rate? Never mind, I wouldnt
> know what the answer means anyway.
>
> So, should I keep my 1st Generation iPhone?
Never buy early production of any complex product, be it a smart phone,
a vehicle, digital camera, etc. Always wait six months to a year (don't
buy the first year of any new model vehicle).
There are always problems that are found by the early adopters, and
corrected in later production. It's often not possible to fix the early
production with recalls. Usually the problems are such that they affect
the usability and reliability, but not to a degree where they are so
unusable that they have to be recalled. Sometimes the long-term
reliability is affected, but the producer won't make any repairs unless
it actually breaks, maybe extending the warranty slightly, but not enough.
Often a bug in one of the large scale integrated circuits will be found
that can only be corrected in a new rev of the chip. Revving a chip can
easily take six months between the time the bug is found, the problem
solved, new masks made, new wafers run, packaging, testing, and production.
Mike
Me too no probs and parts of my hse (thick walls) have 3g reception
probs but I've not lost any calls moving around the hse between the back
where 3G reception is fine to the kitchen where it often ceases
altogether.
This was the case on other phones (SE K750+K800 plus nokia) on the O2
network.
Mike
Mike Jacoubowsky
| In article <i4dka4p63ouvelggv...@4ax.com>,
| David G. Imber <im...@maniform.com> wrote:
|
| > In case anyone wasn't aware. Haven't really tested for what it
| > might fix yet.
|
| I installed it - don't see any difference.
Seriously? I've got more bars in more places!
(Actually, that's true, but I can't see any difference in actual performance... just more bars.)
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Mike
Now you mention it I've been getting an extra bar here at my PC since I
upgraded to 2.02.
Mike
Larry
news:Visrk.19973$89.1...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
> (Actually, that's true, but I can't see any difference in actual
> performance... just more bars.)
>
>
They turned the meter up....trying to bullshit their way through all this.