Torrent Apps on App Store?

[sms]

I wanted to download a torrent onto my iPad and was surprised to not
find any torrent downloading apps available for iPhone or iPad on the
Apple App store. I've used torrents on my Android, Windows, and Linux
devices for many years, and there are also torrent clients for MacOS.

It appears that I have three choices: 1) Jailbreak and use an app like
iTorrent from Cydia <https://github.com/XITRIX/iTorrent>, 2) use a cloud
client like zbigz.com, or download the torrent on a computer or Android
device then transfer it to the iPad. What a hassle! I don't want to
jailbreak, the cloud clients have a lot of restrictions for the free
version (and the premium version has a high monthly cost), and it's
rather a pain to be transferring large files onto the iPad after
downloading them onto a different platform.

Why would Apple not allow torrent apps? The reality is that there are
lots of torrents that are not illegal or unsafe and torrents are a good
way to download large files. Apple doesn't prevent torrent apps on MacOS.

This restriction is really annoying.

[Andy Burnelli]

sms wrote:

> Why would Apple not allow torrent apps?

FACT:
There are a _lot_ of app functionalities which are impossible on iOS that
are on _every_ other of the five common consumer operating systems...

Including macOS.

ASSESSMENT OF THAT FACT:
The question we've asked is why does Apple cripple iOS but not macOS?
I openly admit that I don't know the answer to that key question.

I just know that only iOS is crippled to this huge degree. Not macOS.

[nospam]

In article <t4f5hs$4cd$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Why would Apple not allow torrent apps?

one major reason is because torrenting on a battery-powered device is
incredibly stupid. another is that there is no demand for it, largely
because it's stupid.

> The reality is that there are
> lots of torrents that are not illegal or unsafe and torrents are a good
> way to download large files. Apple doesn't prevent torrent apps on MacOS.

the reality is that almost everything that's torrented is pirated and
what's left is of little to no use on an ipad (e.g., linux distros).

there are much better ways to download the mythical 'large files' you
claim to want to download. for example, there this site called netflix
for movies. perhaps you've heard of it.

this is nothing more than yet another fabricated setup to both troll
and justify yet another bogus entry in your bogus list of bullshit
'features', nearly all of which have been debunked many times over, all
the while you ignore the numerous things that ios can do that can't be
done on other platforms because that doesn't fit your narrative and
desire to troll.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Why would Apple not allow torrent apps?
>
> one major reason is because torrenting on a battery-powered device is
> incredibly stupid. another is that there is no demand for it, largely
> because it's stupid.

Just as Russia comes up with myriad excuses that are childish in nature but
which _always_ try to deflect their crippling weaknesses, you do the same.

Why can't you just face up to the fact that iOS is the _only_ one of the
five common consumer operating systems which has no torrenting apps?

>> The reality is that there are
>> lots of torrents that are not illegal or unsafe and torrents are a good
>> way to download large files. Apple doesn't prevent torrent apps on MacOS.
>
> the reality is that almost everything that's torrented is pirated and
> what's left is of little to no use on an ipad (e.g., linux distros).

As with Russia claiming the Ukrain needs to be denazified, you iKooks will
fabricate the most inane kindergarten excuses to absolve Apple decisions.

Why can't you just face up to the fact that iOS is the _only_ one of the
five common consumer operating systems which has no torrenting apps?

> there are much better ways to download the mythical 'large files' you
> claim to want to download. for example, there this site called netflix
> for movies. perhaps you've heard of it.

Instead of always fabricating different kindergarten responses to absolve
Apple of the fact that the iOS platform is crippled, why can't you simply
accept the fact that it's _only iOS_ which is so crippled that it doesn't
even allow common torrenting.

Even the macOS has torrenting, so _all_ your excuses are simply bullshit.

> this is nothing more than yet another fabricated setup to both troll
> and justify yet another bogus entry in your bogus list of bullshit
> 'features', nearly all of which have been debunked many times over, all
> the while you ignore the numerous things that ios can do that can't be
> done on other platforms because that doesn't fit your narrative and
> desire to troll.

And yet he's tlling the truth and you're telling the lies, nospam.

Why do you lie about the lack of iOS functionality, nospam?
I know why.

But I suspect you don't know why you are _desperate_ to fabricate imaginary
functionality for iOS that simply does not exist.

Why can't you just face up to the fact that iOS is the _only_ one of the
five common consumer operating systems which has no torrenting apps?
--
The only people who believe every word Apple says, are these low-IQ iKooks.

[Hank Rogers]

Because iKooks?

They're everywhere. Run!

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-28, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> I wanted to download a torrent onto my iPad and was surprised to not
> find any torrent downloading apps

Nah, you've known about that for ages. You're just pretending to troll,
as usual.

> This restriction is really annoying.

No, but your lame trolls are.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[nospam]

In article <jd0rol...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger

<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2022-04-28, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > I wanted to download a torrent onto my iPad and was surprised to not
> > find any torrent downloading apps
>
> Nah, you've known about that for ages. You're just pretending to troll,
> as usual.

he's not pretending.

[Andy Burnelli]

Jolly Roger wrote:

>> This restriction is really annoying.
>
> No, but your lame trolls are.

FACT:
*It's a fact iOS is the only common consumer platform that can't torrent.*

The _adults_ on this Apple newsgroup easily note that the child-like iKooks
such as Jolly Roger claim all facts about Apple they _hate_ are trolls.

Why?
I think I know why... heh heh heh...

I suspect Jolly Roger has no _adult_ defense to facts accurately presented.
--
The entire belief system of the iKooks like Jolly Roger, is imaginary.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Nah, you've known about that for ages. You're just pretending to troll,
>> as usual.
>
> he's not pretending.

All you iKooks have no _adult_ defense to facts Steve accurately presented.

[Lewis]

In message <t4f5hs$4cd$1...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> I wanted to download a torrent onto my iPad and was surprised to not
> find any torrent downloading apps available for iPhone

You are such a complete and fucking liar. You absolutely did know this
because you've pulled this same troll gambit before.

> It appears that I have three choices: 1) Jailbreak and use an app like
> iTorrent from Cydia <https://github.com/XITRIX/iTorrent>, 2) use a cloud
> client like zbigz.com, or download the torrent on a computer or Android
> device then transfer it to the iPad. What a hassle! I don't want to
> jailbreak, the cloud clients have a lot of restrictions for the free
> version (and the premium version has a high monthly cost), and it's
> rather a pain to be transferring large files onto the iPad after
> downloading them onto a different platform.

You can compile and build a torrent client and put it on your own
devices, but I assume that is "too hard" for you too.

> This restriction is really annoying.

Feel free to use Android, no one cares about your bullshit here.

--
There is NO Rule six!

[Andy Burnelli]

Lewis wrote:

> You can compile and build a torrent client and put it on your own
> devices, but I assume that is "too hard" for you too.

The iKooks are always making excuses for the lack of iOS functionality.

It's interesting that the iKooks know the only way to get even the most
basic functionality on iOS is to write the code & compile it yourself.

The iKooks have already started running down their list of excuses for why
iOS is always the only common consumer operating system that is crippled.

First nospam fabricated the functionality exists, and then Lewis just
claimed that you have to compile it yourself, and even Jolly Roger came up
with the excuse that nobody wants to have basic capability on iOS anyway.

And yet... the functionality _abounds_ on all other platforms - except iOS.
<https://i.postimg.cc/tTqHHYS7/torrent01.jpg> All but iOS have this
--
The iKooks are always making excuses for the lack of iOS functionality.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 29.04.22 um 00:47 schrieb sms:

With this posting you document your incredible incompetence.


--
De gustibus non est disputandum

[pehache]

Le 29/04/2022 à 01:20, Andy Burnelli a écrit :

>
> I just know that only iOS is crippled to this huge degree. Not macOS.

iOS was crippled from the beginning. I'm sure Apple is dreaming about
applying the same policy to macOS, but users would protest if Apple was
going too fast in this direction. So Apple is doing that step by step, but
one day I'm sure the App Store will be the only possible source for macOS
softwares, and with the same restrictions as on iOS.

[nospam]

In article <X3nGnDVxcxcAG7dI11VkcFjPfNc@jntp>, pehache

<peha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> one day I'm sure the App Store will be the only possible source for macOS

apple has repeatedly said that will not happen, nor is it even possible
for reasons obvious to non-trolls.

[sms]

Remember, Apple gets a cut of for all paid iOS and iPadOS apps sold on
their App Store (as well as the fees to become a developer), so there's
actually an incentive to allow as many apps as possible, at least
non-free apps. AFAIK, they get nothing for MacOS apps sold by third parties.

The lack of torrent apps is one of the strangest app prohibitions. Sure
some users use torrent applications to download stuff that they
shouldn't but there are plenty of perfectly legal torrents, especially
films in the public domain (see
<https://archive.org/details/feature_films>, among others).

All they have accomplished is to make it a pain to download legal
torrents while doing nothing to stop those who want to download
copyrighted material. I guess that public libraries should stop lending
out DVD movies because someone might make a copy.

I added this to the document as #164a on page 70.
<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>.

---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------
✓ 35 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had ✓
✓ 164 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish
they Had ✓

<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>

✓ 71 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
Citations ✓

✓ 100% Fact Checked ✓
---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------

[nospam]

In article <t4grlo$44q$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Remember, Apple gets a cut of for all paid iOS and iPadOS apps sold on
> their App Store (as well as the fees to become a developer),

so does google and microsoft.

>
> The lack of torrent apps is one of the strangest app prohibitions.

no it isn't.

torrenting is best done on a computer which is mains-powered because it
can sometimes take a while.

torrenting on a battery-powered device is just stupid, which would
explain why you are advocating it.

> Sure
> some users use torrent applications to download stuff that they
> shouldn't but there are plenty of perfectly legal torrents,

almost none, actually.

<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/07/only-03-of-files-on-bit-tor
rent-confirmed-to-be-legal/>
Only three cases� percent of the files媤ere determined to
be definitely not infringing, while 890 files were confirmed to be
illegal.
...
Assuming all 16 files of ambiguous legality were in fact legal, the
researchers said that there was an overall figure of 97.9 percent
infringing content being distributed on BitTorrent.

once again, you've been proven wrong.

>
> I added this to the document as #164a on page 70.

of course you did. the entire story was a setup to justify that.

unfortunately, you'll never correct it.

[sms]

On 4/29/2022 7:11 AM, sms wrote:

<snip>

> I added this to the document as #164a on page 70.
> <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>.

This web site
<https://igeeksradar.com/download-torrents-ios-without-jailbreak/>
details some workarounds for the iPhone and iPad. The article is nearly
two years old so some of the details may have changed.

"As compared to iOS, Android users are lucky as they have got uTorrent
and Bit Torrent clients available in Play Store that allow Android users
to download torrents on their smartphones without having to root their
devices. However, by the end of this post, even iOS users will be able
to download torrents directly on their iPhone without jailbreak using
any one of the various methods listed below."

[pehache]

Le 29/04/2022 à 14:39, nospam a écrit :
> In article <X3nGnDVxcxcAG7dI11VkcFjPfNc@jntp>, pehache
> <peha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> one day I'm sure the App Store will be the only possible source for macOS
>
> apple has repeatedly said that will not happen,

Sure. And we all know that companies never lie. Politicians do not either.

> nor is it even possible
> for reasons obvious to non-trolls.

It's technically possible, so it's possible.

--
"...sois ouvert aux idées des autres pour peu qu'elles aillent dans le
même sens que les tiennes.", ST sur fr.bio.medecine
ST passe le mur du çon : <j3nn2h...@mid.individual.net>

[pehache]

Le 29/04/2022 à 16:34, nospam a écrit :
>
> torrenting is best done on a computer which is mains-powered because it
> can sometimes take a while.

"somtimes takes a while" is not the same as "always takes a while"

>
> torrenting on a battery-powered device is just stupid,

start torrent --> download --> stop torrent

Doesn't use much more energy than direct download.

[sms]

On 4/29/2022 1:47 PM, pehache wrote:
> Le 29/04/2022 à 16:34, nospam a écrit :
>>
>> torrenting is best done on a computer which is mains-powered because it
>> can sometimes take a while.
>
> "somtimes takes a while" is not the same as "always takes a while"
>
>>
>> torrenting on a battery-powered device is just stupid,
>
> start torrent --> download --> stop torrent
>
> Doesn't use much more energy than direct download.

nospam is wrong of course™.

First of all, a phone, operated from its battery, is more than capable
of downloading a torrent. Consider a 5GB movie. If your Wi-Fi speed is
300 Mb/s, that's about 30 MB/s downloading a 5GB file takes only a few
minutes. Even at 50Mbs it's only about 20 minutes.

Second of all, if someone has really slow broadband, and they expect a
torrent to take an extended period of time to download, they could just
have the device plugged in or on a wireless charger.

Of all the lame excuses, complaining that because a device can be
operated from its internal battery that torrents should not be allowed,
is one of the lamest.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> one day I'm sure the App Store will be the only possible source for macOS
>
> apple has repeatedly said that will not happen, nor is it even possible
> for reasons obvious to non-trolls.

It's an _adult_ question to ponder nospam.
You _hate_ the question - so you term it a troll.

But that's only because you hate all questions whose intent is to
understand the root of why iOS is what iOS is.

To Pehache's point, Apple "courageously" removed industry standard hardware
and said they were being "brave" about it, and that you too should feel
brave about that loss of basic functionality - so there's a _lot_ Apple can
restrict when they want to.

Besides, the fact remains that it's _only_ iOS that lacks all this common
basic functionality (e.g., graphical wi-fi debugging for visible access
points).

It's a very adult question to ponder as to why it's _only_ iOS (of all the
five common consumer operating systems) that is crippled to that extent.

As an example, all the _other_ four common consumer operating systems can
have the privacy that Tor provides - just not iOS for reasons of Apple.

As another example, all the _other_ four common consumer operating systems
can create _multiple_ shortcuts to launch an application - just not iOS.

Or even the ability to _rename_ a shortcut that launches an app (even the
system apps that are included when you first booted the thing up).

There's so much that there _must_ be a reason why only iOS is so crippled.

We can go down a very long list of basic functionality that is only
crippled on iOS so it's not even Apple making these decisions per se (since
the Mac can do it).

It's a very adult question to ask of _why_ it's only iOS that is so
crippled that it can't do many of the simplest of the most basic app
functionalities.

*Why is it only iOS that is so crippled?*

I don't know why.
Do you?

[Andy Burnelli]

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> As an example, all the _other_ four common consumer operating systems can
> have the privacy that Tor provides - just not iOS for reasons of Apple.

Correction, since the iKooks love to play silly games.

As an example, all the _other_ four common consumer operating systems can

have the privacy that the Tor Browser provides - just not iOS for reasons
of Apple.

Notice that plenty of apps use the three letters "T" and "O" and "R" but
the fact remains that it's _only_ iOS that can't have the Tor Browser.

Why is it _only_ iOS that is so crippled?

The answer isn't "Apple" since even the Mac has most of these app
functionalities. It's just iOS that doesn't have them.

Why?

[nospam]

In article <jd30tk...@mid.individual.net>, pehache

<peha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> one day I'm sure the App Store will be the only possible source for macOS
> >
> > apple has repeatedly said that will not happen,
>
> Sure. And we all know that companies never lie.

as a publicly traded company, apple is legally obligated to not lie.

> Politicians do not either.

irrelevant.

> > nor is it even possible
> > for reasons obvious to non-trolls.
>
> It's technically possible, so it's possible.

yep, it is indeed possibles because *microsoft* *already* *did* *it*
with windows 10s.

apple has *no* plans to do so, and as stated, it's not possible for
reasons you do not understand.

[nospam]

In article <t4hmr3$606$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> First of all, a phone, operated from its battery, is more than capable
> of downloading a torrent.

as usual, you're moving the goalposts.

nobody said it wasn't capable. what you fail to understand is that the
idea of torrenting on a battery powered device is incredibly stupid for
all sorts of reasons.

> Consider a 5GB movie. If your Wi-Fi speed is
> 300 Mb/s, that's about 30 MB/s downloading a 5GB file takes only a few
> minutes. Even at 50Mbs it's only about 20 minutes.

you're incorrectly assuming that wifi is always available (it isn't),
torrenting will max out the connection (it won't), that torrents will
always complete (they don't) and that there aren't better methods
(there are). that's quite a bit you get wrong.

> Second of all, if someone has really slow broadband, and they expect a
> torrent to take an extended period of time to download, they could just
> have the device plugged in or on a wireless charger.

even better, use a desktop computer which is already connected to mains
power.

once the torrent is complete, the files can be *automatically* sent to
the ipad or iphone at an even faster rate than the torrent itself.

unfortunately for you, automating it requires understanding what ios
can do and the ability to take advantage of it, something which you
lack.

better still, don't pirate content and download it from proper
channels. not only is it faster and easier, but it's also completely
legal.

> Of all the lame excuses, complaining that because a device can be
> operated from its internal battery that torrents should not be allowed,
> is one of the lamest.

there's nothing lame about it. the simple fact is that torrenting on
mobile devices is stupid and because of that, it's not something in
high demand.

[Andy Burnelli]

sms wrote:

> The lack of torrent apps is one of the strangest app prohibitions.

The lack of torrent apps is only _one_ of _many_ functionality omissions.

The question is why since there are _many_ app functionalities devoid only
on iOS (as an example, graphical Wi-Fi debuggers).

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Sure. And we all know that companies never lie.
>
> as a publicly traded company, apple is legally obligated to not lie.

Nobody lies like Apple lies, nospam, and you know that (although you hate
it). Witness the _billion_ dollars they had to pay a while ago for their
lies.

Remember, in civil court Apple can pay their way out of admitting their
lies (which is why it cost them a billion dollars to do that).

But in _criminal_ court, Apple was forced to admit they lied.

We even covered where the judges were so frustrated with Apple lies that
they had to tell the well-paid Apple lawyers to stop lying in court without
bringing _any_ of the corresponding documentation (as I recall, that was
with the Epic case - but it doesn't matter as Apple lies all the time).

Apple lies all the time - and you only deny that because you believe every
word Apple says, including the fact that Apple has a very special battery
chemistry that only goes into effect when a certain iOS release is added to
a certain set of poorly designed iPhones (and not any other Apple device).

You even believe Apple's battery lifetime tests, where the fact is that
_nobody_ on this planet in independent comprehensive tests has ever even
come close to Apple's battery life claims.

Nobody lies, like Apple lies.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> The lack of torrent apps is one of the strangest app prohibitions.
>
> no it isn't.

Torrent apps are just one of many app functionalities impossible on iOS.

What about the lack of iOS graphical wifi signal strength debuggers nospam?

*Why is it _only_ iOS that lacks _many_ fundamental app capabilities?*

What's _different_ about iOS?

[Alan]

On 2022-04-29 3:25 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> The lack of torrent apps is one of the strangest app prohibitions.
>>
>> no it isn't.
>
> Torrent apps are just one of many app functionalities impossible on iOS.

Really?

What makes it "impossible", precisely?

>
> What about the lack of iOS graphical wifi signal strength debuggers nospam?
>
> *Why is it _only_ iOS that lacks _many_ fundamental app capabilities?*
>
> What's _different_ about iOS?

You're the one claiming it's different.

[Andy Burnelli]

sms wrote:

> Of all the lame excuses, complaining that because a device can be
> operated from its internal battery that torrents should not be allowed,
> is one of the lamest.

The problem here is _bigger_ than the lack of torrent apps on iOS.

The fact is that _many_ app functionalities are _impossible_ on iOS.
And yet, they're on _all_ the other four common consumer operating systems.

The _adult_ question to ponder is what the reason is for that obvious fact!
Bear in mind the answer is _not_ that the hardware can't do it.

The answer is something else.
It's not hardware though.

[Hank Rogers]

Usenet is stupid too. Nobody uses it.

Yet you're here. Using some third party app, like me. Because apple
doesn't have one.

Because it's stupid.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Of all the lame excuses, complaining that because a device can be
>> operated from its internal battery that torrents should not be allowed,
>> is one of the lamest.
>
> there's nothing lame about it. the simple fact is that torrenting on
> mobile devices is stupid and because of that, it's not something in
> high demand.

If we skip torrenting and move to something else, what's your _new_ excuse
for why iOS is crippled such that _many_ app functionalities are impossible
and yet, they're on _all_ the other four common consumer operating systems?

Why, for example, are graphical wifi signal strength debuggers _not_ on
iOS, and yet, every other common consumer platform has them in quantity?

Are you now going to claim that debugging wifi on mobile devices is stupid?

[Alan]

On 2022-04-29 3:28 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> Of all the lame excuses, complaining that because a device can be
>> operated from its internal battery that torrents should not be
>> allowed, is one of the lamest.
>
> The problem here is _bigger_ than the lack of torrent apps on iOS.
>
> The fact is that _many_ app functionalities are _impossible_ on iOS.

Really?

Such as?

Are they impossible...

...or is it just that no one has wanted to provide them?

[Andy Burnelli]

FACT:
a. There are zillions of torrent apps on the official Android app store.
b. There are zero on the official iOS app store.

FACT:
c. Same can be said about _many_ app functionalities.

OBSERVATION:
d. The iKooks claim otherwise - but -
e. They never come up with even a _single_ app that fits their claims.

In other words, the fact remains that there are _many_ app functionalities
that are easily available to non-rooted users of all of the common consumer
platforms... except iOS.

The question is why.
--
HINT: It's not the hardware.

[Alan]

On 2022-04-29 3:30 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> Of all the lame excuses, complaining that because a device can be
>>> operated from its internal battery that torrents should not be
>>> allowed, is one of the lamest.
>>
>> there's nothing lame about it. the simple fact is that torrenting on
>> mobile devices is stupid and because of that, it's not something in
>> high demand.
>
> If we skip torrenting and move to something else, what's your _new_ excuse
> for why iOS is crippled such that _many_ app functionalities are impossible
> and yet, they're on _all_ the other four common consumer operating systems?

Where's your proof that these things are impossible.

>
> Why, for example, are graphical wifi signal strength debuggers _not_ on
> iOS, and yet, every other common consumer platform has them in quantity?

I don't know.

But you don't either.

[Hank Rogers]

I'll take a guess Andy ... Because it's Apple clusterfucked?

Most folks eventually shuffle away from a dead horse found in the
street, but not you Andy.

If I give you a sharpened stick to poke that dead horse's eyes,
you'll do it gleefully, and you will still stay, even long after
you've confirmed it's death. I've seen other andys before you.
Nothing is enough for you Andy. Nothing can ever be.

Even after that horse carcass has rotted away, with wildflowers
blooming where the animal had decayed ... You'll still be there
Andy, with your sharpened stick, waiting to see that horse's eyes
appear.

It is your prison Andy. You will never escape.

Good luck andy.

[nospam]

In article <t4hp2b$nk9$1...@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:

> >
> > The fact is that _many_ app functionalities are _impossible_ on iOS.
>
> Really?
>
> Such as?
>
> Are they impossible...
>
> ...or is it just that no one has wanted to provide them?

or that he lacks the intelligence to figure out how? after all, it does
take a few seconds with a search engine.

or maybe it's because he ignores detailed instructions how to do what
he claims to want to do so that he can rant.

[nospam]

In article <t4houa$6q8$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> Why, for example, are graphical wifi signal strength debuggers _not_ on
> iOS,

because there's insufficient demand to bother.

writing it is fairly straightforward, which has been explained to you
already. once again, there are numerous graphing frameworks that could
be used, just feed it the appropriate data source.

> Are you now going to claim that debugging wifi on mobile devices is stupid?

it is when wifi base stations can do it automatically, and do a much
better job than humans can.

[nospam]

In article <CFZaK.685681$LN2.4...@fx13.iad>, Hank Rogers
<ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Usenet is stupid too.

pretty much. it's deteriorated from its heyday.

> Nobody uses it.

relatively few compared to web forums, which are far more active and
without the spam. some posts on reddit get many thousands of replies.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Why, for example, are graphical wifi signal strength debuggers _not_ on
>> iOS,
>
> because there's insufficient demand to bother.

You have such a low IQ that you don't realize you make up kindergarten
solutions to all the issues that come up that you _hate_ about iOS.

If demand were the reason, they wouldn't abound on _all_ other platforms.
Except iOS.

Are you saying there's no demand for graphical cellular signal strength
debuggers on a smartphone (which, after all, is dependent on that signal)?

'Cuz that's _another_ of many app functionalities impossible on iOS.

> writing it is fairly straightforward, which has been explained to you
> already. once again, there are numerous graphing frameworks that could
> be used, just feed it the appropriate data source.

To claim that the only way you'll get even the most basic of app
funcdtionality out of iOS is to write it yourself, is just ridiculous.

>> Are you now going to claim that debugging wifi on mobile devices is stupid?
>
> it is when wifi base stations can do it automatically, and do a much
> better job than humans can.

Do you realize you have to fabricate a _different_ excuse for each and
every one of the many app functionalities that aren't available on iOS?

The fact is there is only _one_ reason for _all_ these iOS deficiencies.
And it's NOT the hardware.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

> or that he lacks the intelligence to figure out how? after all, it does
> take a few seconds with a search engine.
>
> or maybe it's because he ignores detailed instructions how to do what
> he claims to want to do so that he can rant.

The facts are clear.
The fact the apps do not exist in the Apple app store is all I need to say.

If you claim the apps actually exist, all you need to do is provide a URI.
Heh heh heh... and _that_ never happens with you iKooks.

The fact is obvious - the only thing NOT obvious is why.
*Why is it only iOS lacks app functionality in all other operating systems?*

[grinch]

It wasn't too bad that phone document of yours.

I liked it so much I'll start calling it the phone doc to remember easier.
https://tinyurl.com/thephonedoc

I found only about ten things wrong but out of a hundred that's not bad.

Mebbie say it's 90% fact checked and then ask listeners to help keep it up
to date. That way you can fix those things that I noticed right away.
Or mebbie say which os version or date when the facts were last checked.

[pehache]

Le 30/04/2022 à 00:14, nospam a écrit :
> In article <jd30tk...@mid.individual.net>, pehache
> <peha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> one day I'm sure the App Store will be the only possible source for macOS
>>>
>>> apple has repeatedly said that will not happen,
>>
>> Sure. And we all know that companies never lie.
>
> as a publicly traded company, apple is legally obligated to not lie.

Ha ha !

"5 things Steve Jobs said Apple would never do - and Apple is doing"

https://money.cnn.com/2015/01/19/technology/steve-jobs-apple/

"We didn't lie, we changed our mind"

>
>> Politicians do not either.
>
> irrelevant.

But we all know they do not.

>
>>> nor is it even possible
>>> for reasons obvious to non-trolls.
>>
>> It's technically possible, so it's possible.
>
> yep, it is indeed possibles because *microsoft* *already* *did* *it*
> with windows 10s.
>
> apple has *no* plans to do so, and as stated, it's not possible for
> reasons you do not understand.

So you're saying that it's possible, but also that it's not possible.
Try agreeing your yourself, first :)

[pehache]

Le 30/04/2022 à 00:14, nospam a écrit :

> In article <t4hmr3$606$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> First of all, a phone, operated from its battery, is more than capable
>> of downloading a torrent.
>
> as usual, you're moving the goalposts.
>
> nobody said it wasn't capable. what you fail to understand is that the
> idea of torrenting on a battery powered device is incredibly stupid for
> all sorts of reasons.

It is not. Besides, it is not Apple to decide for the users.

>
>> Consider a 5GB movie. If your Wi-Fi speed is
>> 300 Mb/s, that's about 30 MB/s downloading a 5GB file takes only a few
>> minutes. Even at 50Mbs it's only about 20 minutes.
>
> you're incorrectly assuming that wifi is always available (it isn't),
> torrenting will max out the connection (it won't), that torrents will
> always complete (they don't) and that there aren't better methods
> (there are). that's quite a bit you get wrong.

"There's no network in the middle of the Atacama desert, and it proves
that torrenting on a mobile device is impossible".

>
>> Second of all, if someone has really slow broadband, and they expect a
>> torrent to take an extended period of time to download, they could just
>> have the device plugged in or on a wireless charger.
>
> even better, use a desktop computer which is already connected to mains
> power.

Many people do no longer own a desktop computer, or even do no longer
own a computer at all. Just phones and tablets.

And among the ones who still have one, they happen to travel without it.

> once the torrent is complete, the files can be *automatically* sent to
> the ipad or iphone at an even faster rate than the torrent itself.

Just easier to directly download on the device where it will be watched.

>
> better still, don't pirate content and download it from proper
> channels. not only is it faster and easier, but it's also completely
> legal.

There are some countries where torrenting movies etc is not illegal. And
anyway there's no law that prohibit torrent apps.

>
> there's nothing lame about it. the simple fact is that torrenting on
> mobile devices is stupid and because of that, it's not something in
> high demand.

Still there is a demand. If there was no demand at all there wouldn't be
torrenting apps on Android.

[Andy Burnelli]

pehache wrote:

>> there's nothing lame about it. the simple fact is that torrenting on
>> mobile devices is stupid and because of that, it's not something in
>> high demand.
>
> Still there is a demand. If there was no demand at all there wouldn't be
> torrenting apps on Android.

You have to realize something about these low-IQ iKooks which is:

1. They will defend everything Apple does, no matter what, to the death.
2. They will use the first possible argument that comes to their minds.
3. They don't have a whole lot of these possible arguments in the end.

Given they don't own any adult cognitive skills, their _first_ arguments
usually start with fabricating that the imaginary functionality exists.

When that doesn't work, they claim that nobody wants it, where the fact the
apps exist on _all_ other common consumer platforms proves that excuse
lame.

When that doesn't work, they claim it's illegal, or, more frequently,
"Google made Apple do it", as if Apple has no free will whatsoever, which
is belied by the fact Apple spends more on marketing than anyone in tech.

Oddly, it doesn't dawn on them that all their arguments are inconsistent
because they always claim Apple is the best at marketing and yet, when
Apple fucks up (which is a lot), then they claim Apple has no marketing.

What is patently inconsistent to an adult - (somehow) makes sense to them.

Then they will claim that the apps on the other platforms don't work, which
again, the fact that they do belies that excuse but they will still
valiantly try, where their main goal at this point is to deflect the
conversation to other things.

When that deflection doesn't work, they claim that you are too stupid to
write all your own iOS apps if you actually want even the most basic
functionality on iOS.

Usually, by now, they've been successful at deflecting the topic where they
then go on to the Apple solution which, to them, is "always better" than
anything the rest of the world can come up with (again, which is
inconsistent with the "Google made Apple do it" argument).

Finally, and this will _always_ happen, they will resort to kindergarten
insults which is their final way to deal with facts they can't process.

Just watch.

[Andy Burnelli]

pehache wrote:

> "We didn't lie, we changed our mind"

Remember Apple was successfully sued by over 30 state attorneys for
secretly backdating the release notes.

"We didn't lie, we just changed the date!"

>> apple has *no* plans to do so, and as stated, it's not possible for
>> reasons you do not understand.
>
> So you're saying that it's possible, but also that it's not possible.
> Try agreeing your yourself, first :)

You have to understand a few things about the iKooks before you can predict
almost exactly what they'll use as an excuse, years in advance of them
doing it.

First, they will defend antyhing Apple does, to the death, no matter what.
*In doing so, they'll use the first excuse that comes to their minds.*

Much like a child with chocoloate all over his face, that excuse is almost
always one that a kindergarten kid fabricated as the first excuse he could
think of.

In _this_ case, that first kindergarten excuse nospam could think of was he
"had no plans to eat the chocoloate (which was smeared all over his
face), and it's not possible for him to have eaten that chocolate
(which was smeared all over his face) for reasons you do not
understand."

What's so very odd about these low-IQ iKooks is that, unlike Apple
MARKETING and politicians, it appears these iKooks actually _believe_ what
they say.

The huge inconsistencies in all that they come up as an excuse doesn't faze
them a bit. They don't even notice none of their arguments make any sense.

Just watch.

[sms]

On 4/30/2022 12:14 AM, pehache wrote:

<snip>

>> there's nothing lame about it. the simple fact is that torrenting on
>> mobile devices is stupid and because of that, it's not something in
>> high demand.
>
> Still there is a demand. If there was no demand at all there wouldn't be
> torrenting apps on Android.

nospam is wrong of course™.

First, a phone or iPad is not just battery powered, it also runs off of
mains power (though the battery is certainly sufficient to download a
large file, whether a torrent or not). A laptop is battery powered too,
but can be operated from mains power. It's an incredibly lame excuse
that downloading large files (whether a torrent or not) should not be
possible because a device can be operated from a battery. How does
anyone dream up this kind of nonsense?!

Second, of course there's a demand. As you point out, there are numerous
torrenting apps on Android, as well as numerous articles explaining to
iOS users how to download torrents despite the lack of iOS/iPadOS
torrenting apps.

Actually, there is a way to install a torrenting app on iOS and iPadOS
without jailbreaking, but it's not free. For $9.99 per year you can gain
access to the BuildStore <https://builds.io/> which will allow you to
install a torrenting app <https://builds.io/apps/itorrent/>. As they
point out: "There are thousands of legal sites that offer torrenting as
a method of download."

[sms]

On 4/29/2022 11:49 PM, grinch wrote:

<snip>

> It wasn't too bad that phone document of yours.
> I liked it so much I'll start calling it the phone doc to remember easier.
> https://tinyurl.com/thephonedoc
>
> I found only about ten things wrong but out of a hundred that's not bad.
>
> Mebbie say it's 90% fact checked and then ask listeners to help keep it up
> to date. That way you can fix those things that I noticed right away. Or
> mebbie say which os version or date when the facts were last checked.

Thanks, please let me know any errors you found so I can correct them;
I'm sure that with a document that long (now 72 pages!) some mistakes
have crept in, though I periodically go through the whole document
looking for errors.

Send the errors to <Android_i...@hotmail.com> or post them here.
I've already made corrections, additions, and deletions already as a
result of feedback, as well as because of periodic changes made by the
operating system manufacturers.

[grinch]

I can tell you put great effort into the phone doc which I will use too.
https://tinyurl.com/thephonedoc

Out of a hundred, most I wasn't aware of but out of some I was.

The ones I thought were mebbie slightly out of date were item 3i and 4i and
8i and 10i and 15i and 24i and 33i and 88a. You should mebbie say the
operating system version when you last proofed it. Times have changed on
them.

Mebbie 13i & 18i need to be checked and 26i is naturally done different.

The rest looks good but I only noticed the items I already knew about.
Which one do you want to start with?

[nospam]

In article <jd457r...@mid.individual.net>, pehache

<peha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "We didn't lie, we changed our mind"

all companies change their mind as the industry changes. sometimes they
make mistakes and correct them. nothing is perfect.

microsoft thought the kin phone would be a hit. sales were horrible and
they canceled it less than two months later.

your knowledge about business is almost as bad as your knowledge about
product design.

> >> It's technically possible, so it's possible.
> >
> > yep, it is indeed possibles because *microsoft* *already* *did* *it*
> > with windows 10s.
> >
> > apple has *no* plans to do so, and as stated, it's not possible for
> > reasons you do not understand.
>
> So you're saying that it's possible, but also that it's not possible.

no, i'm saying you're clueless about how things actually work here in
the real world.

the restriction for windows 10s was very easy to bypass, which means it
didn't actually stop anyone who wanted to run non-store apps.

it turned out to be a market failure and is now considered a 'mode'
instead of a variation of windows 10.

> Try agreeing your yourself, first :)

try not trolling and hating.

[nospam]

In article <t4im5f$pkl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, grinch <gri...@somewhere.com>
wrote:

> On 29/04/2022 19:23, sms wrote:
> >> I added this to the document as #164a on page 70.

...

> I found only about ten things wrong but out of a hundred that's not bad.

on the assumption you are not a sock puppet, you didn't look very hard,
as nearly all of it is completely wrong or at best, highly misleading,
and deliberately so.

> Mebbie say it's 90% fact checked and then ask listeners to help keep it up
> to date. That way you can fix those things that I noticed right away.
> Or mebbie say which os version or date when the facts were last checked.

he doesn't want corrections, which have been provided by numerous
people and ignored because he wants full control over the narrative.

[nospam]

In article <jd45u4...@mid.individual.net>, pehache

<peha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > nobody said it wasn't capable. what you fail to understand is that the
> > idea of torrenting on a battery powered device is incredibly stupid for
> > all sorts of reasons.
>
> It is not. Besides, it is not Apple to decide for the users.

all companies decide what features to include and not include.

every product has various limitations. no product does everything for
every person in every situation (and the ones that come close have
numerous compromises).

> >
> >> Second of all, if someone has really slow broadband, and they expect a
> >> torrent to take an extended period of time to download, they could just
> >> have the device plugged in or on a wireless charger.
> >
> > even better, use a desktop computer which is already connected to mains
> > power.
>
> Many people do no longer own a desktop computer, or even do no longer
> own a computer at all. Just phones and tablets.

that subgroup is even less likely to torrent, since storage space on a
phone or tablet is limited.

> And among the ones who still have one, they happen to travel without it.

except that if someone travels, they will be using public wifi
networks, which normally will block torrenting (and often other
protocols) and/or have bandwidth limits. they could use cellular but
that would quickly burn through their monthly allotment.

> > once the torrent is complete, the files can be *automatically* sent to
> > the ipad or iphone at an even faster rate than the torrent itself.
>
> Just easier to directly download on the device where it will be watched.

actually, it's easier to torrent it on a desktop computer that's always
on and then have it automatically appear on the mobile device when it's
done.

> >
> > better still, don't pirate content and download it from proper
> > channels. not only is it faster and easier, but it's also completely
> > legal.
>
> There are some countries where torrenting movies etc is not illegal.

very few, and irrelevant.

> And
> anyway there's no law that prohibit torrent apps.

the apps aren't the problem. it's the content.

> > there's nothing lame about it. the simple fact is that torrenting on
> > mobile devices is stupid and because of that, it's not something in
> > high demand.
>
> Still there is a demand. If there was no demand at all there wouldn't be
> torrenting apps on Android.

you're incorrectly assuming mere existence means they're widely used.

[nospam]

In article <t4jkcd$clc$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> First, a phone or iPad is not just battery powered, it also runs off of
> mains power

both are normally used on battery, especially given your claim of
wireless charging being a plus (which it isn't but that's another
story).

> Second, of course there's a demand.

there is not.

iphone sales continue to increase, despite the inability to torrent.

[nospam]

In article <t4jknh$fpi$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, please let me know any errors you found so I can correct them;

many people have done that and you have refused to make *any*
corrections whatsoever.

> I'm sure that with a document that long (now 72 pages!) some mistakes
> have crept in, though I periodically go through the whole document
> looking for errors.

it's actually the opposite.

very little of it is accurate, quite possibly by mistake.

the bulk of it is anywhere from flat out wrong (e.g., face id doesn't
work in the dark) to highly misleading.

you also neglect to include more than 100 features that ios can do that
android cannot (or nowhere near as easily).

[sms]

On 4/30/2022 9:16 AM, grinch wrote:
> The ones I thought were mebbie slightly out of date were item 3i and 4i and
> 8i and 10i and 15i and 24i and 33i and 88a. You should mebbie say the
> operating system version when you last proofed it. Times have changed on
> them.
>
> Mebbie 13i & 18i need to be checked and 26i is naturally done different.
>
> The rest looks good but I only noticed the items I already knew about.
> Which one do you want to start with?

Thanks.

I fixed 3i to reflect Samsung's recent announcement.
I didn't think 4i was wrong.
I fixed 8i to reflect the changes in Android 12 that now support this
feature as standard without the need for a separate app.
I removed 10i
I removed 15i
I removed 24i
I removed 33i
I removed 88a
I redid 13i
The old 18i is just the joke from The Onion
The old 26i I think is still pretty accurate based on the feedback I've
gotten from hearing aid users.

I renumbered the iOS/iPad items since so many were removed.

[grinch]

On 01/05/2022 1:16, sms wrote:

> I fixed 3i to reflect Samsung's recent announcement.

Thank you for being conscientious.

> I didn't think 4i was wrong.

It's not so much wrong as it's not right. Android batteries vary in cost
and ease of replacement. Some are ten dollars and user replaceable which is
much better than the Apple setup. Few would cost more than the Apple setup.

And you're guessing on the freshness date which shouldn't even be there.

> I fixed 8i to reflect the changes in Android 12 that now support this
> feature as standard without the need for a separate app.

Thank you for being conscientious.

> I removed 10i
> I removed 15i
> I removed 24i
> I removed 33i
> I removed 88a

I forgot what all those were now that it was renumbered. :->

> I redid 13i
If that is the processor section, your fix is OK but it's really not for
you to say since it's much like the batteries where the variance is large.

Besides benchmarks aren't only dependent on processor clock speed and the
benchmarks can be fibbed and they don't usually even reflect actual use.

It doesn't belong.

> The old 18i is just the joke from The Onion
> The old 26i I think is still pretty accurate based on the feedback I've
> gotten from hearing aid users.
>
> I renumbered the iOS/iPad items since so many were removed.

I'm kind of lost on the numbers now from previous but next time I'll write
what the headline is so that tracking changes is better.

Thank you for being conscientious.

[nospam]

In article <t4qo50$16m$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, grinch <gri...@somewhere.com>
wrote:

> > I didn't think 4i was wrong.
> It's not so much wrong as it's not right. Android batteries vary in cost
> and ease of replacement. Some are ten dollars and user replaceable which is
> much better than the Apple setup. Few would cost more than the Apple setup.

batteries for iphones are also available for self-install and
comparably priced.

here's one for $15 for an older iphone, which also includes all of the
necessary tools:
<https://www.amazon.com/IBESTWIN-Upgraded-Replacement-Instruction-Capaci
ty/dp/B08BCG6YQC/>

for those who want a tech to do it, prices are also comparable.

> Besides benchmarks aren't only dependent on processor clock speed and the
> benchmarks can be fibbed and they don't usually even reflect actual use.

samsung has been caught fibbing multiple times.

also, the comparisons do reflect actual use, as some of the benchmarks
measure various commonly used apps, not just raw scores.

> Thank you for being conscientious.

he hasn't been at all, nor have you.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> Besides benchmarks aren't only dependent on processor clock speed and the
>> benchmarks can be fibbed and they don't usually even reflect actual use.
>
> samsung has been caught fibbing multiple times.

If a CPU has to be throttled in about a year, then the benchmark on day 1
is meaningless in terms of what the average user will get in about a year.

[Alan]

The key word there is "if".

The CPU does NOT have to be throttle in a year.

The CPU was only throttled when the battery was low and not throttling
it would have led to the device shutting down.

Keep the battery level high and iOS never throttled the CPU.

[Martin Brown]

On 03/05/2022 20:12, Alan wrote:

> Keep the battery level high and iOS never throttled the CPU.

Keep only the iOS version level low and that iOS never throttles the CPU.

Regards,
Martin Brown

[Alan]

And then the phone suddenly and unexpectedly dies...

[nospam]

In article <t4rra6$t7t$1...@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:

> >
> > If a CPU has to be throttled in about a year, then the benchmark on day 1
> > is meaningless in terms of what the average user will get in about a year.
>
> The key word there is "if".
>
> The CPU does NOT have to be throttle in a year.
>
> The CPU was only throttled when the battery was low and not throttling
> it would have led to the device shutting down.

only when the battery had aged (higher internal resistance, a concept
that 'arlen' does not understand) to where it can't source sufficient
current for peak demands.

also, it only clipped those peak demands, which is very different than
an overall throttling, as he tries to claim.

> Keep the battery level high and iOS never throttled the CPU.

yep.

[nospam]

In article <t4rsmd$b76$1...@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:

> >
> >> Keep the battery level high and iOS never throttled the CPU.
> >
> > Keep only the iOS version level low and that iOS never throttles the CPU.
> >
>

> And then the phone suddenly and unexpectedly dies...

and then the lawsuits happen, as it did with many android phones, which
had the *same* *battery* *issue* and sudden shutdowns, because nobody,
not even apple, can escape the laws of physics.

[pehache]

Le 30/04/2022 à 18:39, nospam a écrit :
> In article <jd457r...@mid.individual.net>, pehache
> <peha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "We didn't lie, we changed our mind"
>
> all companies change their mind as the industry changes. sometimes they
> make mistakes and correct them. nothing is perfect.
>
> microsoft thought the kin phone would be a hit. sales were horrible and
> they canceled it less than two months later.

Thanks for the confirmation that on such strategic choices a company can
easily lie, since they just have to say afterwards "We changed our mind".

>>>
>>> yep, it is indeed possibles because *microsoft* *already* *did* *it*
>>> with windows 10s.
>>>
>>> apple has *no* plans to do so, and as stated, it's not possible for
>>> reasons you do not understand.
>>
>> So you're saying that it's possible, but also that it's not possible.
>
> no, i'm saying you're clueless about how things actually work here in
> the real world.
>
> the restriction for windows 10s was very easy to bypass, which means it
> didn't actually stop anyone who wanted to run non-store apps.

So when you wrote that Microsoft *microsoft* *already* *did* *it*, you
were lying ?

The point is :
- it's technically possible
- it's the companies interest to do so
- conclusion: it will happen one of these days

[nospam]

In article <jddcaf...@mid.individual.net>, pehache

<peha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The point is :
> - it's technically possible
> - it's the companies interest to do so
> - conclusion: it will happen one of these days

it will not happen. full stop.

there are very good reasons why it will never happen, which you either
do not understand or are deliberately ignoring.

[pehache]

Le 30/04/2022 à 18:39, nospam a écrit :

> In article <jd45u4...@mid.individual.net>, pehache
> <peha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> nobody said it wasn't capable. what you fail to understand is that the
>>> idea of torrenting on a battery powered device is incredibly stupid for
>>> all sorts of reasons.
>>
>> It is not. Besides, it is not Apple to decide for the users.
>
> all companies decide what features to include and not include.
>
> every product has various limitations. no product does everything for
> every person in every situation (and the ones that come close have
> numerous compromises).

Thank you Captain Obvious

We all know why there are no torrenting apps on iOS:
SJ was a politically correct puritan who thought he had a mission to
keep people away from the evil. And still is Apple as a company.

>>
>> Many people do no longer own a desktop computer, or even do no longer
>> own a computer at all. Just phones and tablets.
>
> that subgroup is even less likely to torrent, since storage space on a
> phone or tablet is limited.

There is more than enough space on modern phones/tablet to store large
files.

>
>> And among the ones who still have one, they happen to travel without it.
>
> except that if someone travels, they will be using public wifi
> networks, which normally will block torrenting (and often other
> protocols) and/or have bandwidth limits. they could use cellular but
> that would quickly burn through their monthly allotment.

In France it's easy to get a 100Go monthly subscription for less than 20$

>>
>> Just easier to directly download on the device where it will be watched.
>
> actually, it's easier to torrent it on a desktop computer that's always
> on and then have it automatically appear on the mobile device when it's
> done.

Just your opinion.

>>
>> There are some countries where torrenting movies etc is not illegal.
>
> very few, and irrelevant.

They are irrelevant because they don't fit into your thoughts ?

>
>> And
>> anyway there's no law that prohibit torrent apps.
>
> the apps aren't the problem. it's the content.

The content users are dealing with is not Apple's business. It's kind of
fun to observe that in the US individual people can buy some war
weapons, but cannot have a torrenting app on their iphones.

>
>>> there's nothing lame about it. the simple fact is that torrenting on
>>> mobile devices is stupid and because of that, it's not something in
>>> high demand.
>>
>> Still there is a demand. If there was no demand at all there wouldn't be
>> torrenting apps on Android.
>
> you're incorrectly assuming mere existence means they're widely used.

Sure, we all know that developers love developing and maintaining apps
that are not used, lol...

[Andy Burnelli]

pehache wrote:

>> you're incorrectly assuming mere existence means they're widely used.
>
> Sure, we all know that developers love developing and maintaining apps
> that are not used, lol...

What remains consistent is nospam fabricates excuses for every Apple flaw.

What's inconsistent is each excuse nospam fabricates is the first he can
think of, where he usually runs down a predictable list of childish
excuses.

Near the top of that predictable list of childish excuses is what you just
countered him on, which is the fact that _every_ other common OS has them.

Just not iOS.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>>>> Keep the battery level high and iOS never throttled the CPU.
>>>
>>> Keep only the iOS version level low and that iOS never throttles the CPU.
>>>
>>
>> And then the phone suddenly and unexpectedly dies...
>
> and then the lawsuits happen, as it did with many android phones, which
> had the *same* *battery* *issue* and sudden shutdowns, because nobody,
> not even apple, can escape the laws of physics.

Tell us nospam, which operating system was _purposefully_ throttled with
the next OS release such that a _criminal_ conviction resulted, nospam.

Other than iOS of course.

[Alan]

There has been no criminal conviction, Arlen.

That remains your masturbatory fantasy.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-05-03, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 03/05/2022 20:12, Alan wrote:
>
>> Keep the battery level high and iOS never throttled the CPU.
>
> Keep only the iOS version level low and that iOS never throttles the CPU.

You're dumb. The alternative to throttling is allowing the device to
spontaneously shut down due to the battery being unable to provide
required voltage.

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[nospam]

In article <jdddhn...@mid.individual.net>, pehache

<peha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We all know why there are no torrenting apps on iOS:

you sure don't.

> SJ was a politically correct puritan who thought he had a mission to
> keep people away from the evil. And still is Apple as a company.

nonsense.

before apple, steve jobs used to sell blue boxes that could be used to
make free phone calls. he's hardly a puritan.

and that's just one example of many. your knowledge of steve jobs and
all things apple is deeply lacking.

> >> Many people do no longer own a desktop computer, or even do no longer
> >> own a computer at all. Just phones and tablets.
> >
> > that subgroup is even less likely to torrent, since storage space on a
> > phone or tablet is limited.
>
> There is more than enough space on modern phones/tablet to store large
> files.

not very many of them.

there's a lot more space on a desktop computer. even better, some nas
devices have torrent clients because of the ample space available.

> >> And among the ones who still have one, they happen to travel without it.
> >
> > except that if someone travels, they will be using public wifi
> > networks, which normally will block torrenting (and often other
> > protocols) and/or have bandwidth limits. they could use cellular but
> > that would quickly burn through their monthly allotment.
>
> In France it's easy to get a 100Go monthly subscription for less than 20$

that's nice, except that france isn't the only country in the world.

> >> Just easier to directly download on the device where it will be watched.
> >
> > actually, it's easier to torrent it on a desktop computer that's always
> > on and then have it automatically appear on the mobile device when it's
> > done.
>
> Just your opinion.

it's not an opinion. everything can be automated, making it as easy as
it gets.

[pehache]

Le 03/05/2022 à 21:09, nospam a écrit :
> In article <jddcaf...@mid.individual.net>, pehache
> <peha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The point is :
>> - it's technically possible
>> - it's the companies interest to do so
>> - conclusion: it will happen one of these days
>
> it will not happen. full stop.

It will happen. Next full stop.

> there are very good reasons why it will never happen, which you either
> do not understand or are deliberately ignoring.

And which exist only in your imagination, until you describe them.

[pehache]

Le 04/05/2022 à 01:49, nospam a écrit :
> In article <jdddhn...@mid.individual.net>, pehache
> <peha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We all know why there are no torrenting apps on iOS:
>
> you sure don't.

I sure do.

>
>> SJ was a politically correct puritan who thought he had a mission to
>> keep people away from the evil. And still is Apple as a company.
>
> nonsense.

Full of sense.

>
> before apple, steve jobs used to sell blue boxes that could be used to
> make free phone calls. he's hardly a puritan.

He was a teenager at that time. You know what ? People often change
along their lifes.

> and that's just one example of many. your knowledge of steve jobs and
> all things apple is deeply lacking.

SJ was a definitely a puritan. Deciding that porn content was not
authorized on iOS, removing all rude words and words related to sex in
built in dictionnaries, etc...

>>
>> There is more than enough space on modern phones/tablet to store large
>> files.
>
> not very many of them.

The point is : if you want space on your mobile device you can have it.

>>>
>>> except that if someone travels, they will be using public wifi
>>> networks, which normally will block torrenting (and often other
>>> protocols) and/or have bandwidth limits. they could use cellular but
>>> that would quickly burn through their monthly allotment.
>>
>> In France it's easy to get a 100Go monthly subscription for less than 20$
>
> that's nice, except that france isn't the only country in the world.

I agree that the US isn't as advanced as France.

>>>> Just easier to directly download on the device where it will be watched.
>>>
>>> actually, it's easier to torrent it on a desktop computer that's always
>>> on and then have it automatically appear on the mobile device when it's
>>> done.
>>
>> Just your opinion.
>
> it's not an opinion. everything can be automated, making it as easy as
> it gets.

State that it's easier is definitely an opinion.

[Andy Burnelli]

pehache wrote:

> And which exist only in your imagination, until you describe them.

It's well known nospam will _never_ be able to back up his fabrications.