Why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces the YouTube app entirely (with far more powerful functionality)?

[Arlen Holder]

Why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces the YouTube
app entirely (with far more powerful functionality)?
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How would iOS users do something as useful as the following?

1. We pick the first trending video in the New Pipe YouTube GUI.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks001.jpg
2. We could play the video but let's press the "Download" button.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks002.jpg
3. The first time we do that, NewPipe will ask for permission:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks003.jpg
4. Then we can download the entire video (with audio).
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks004.jpg
5. Where we get a selection of various video file resolutions:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks005.jpg
6. Or, we can just strip out the audio in various resolutions:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks006.jpg
7. We cam even disply the video on top of other apps if we like.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks007.jpg
8. The first time you select that option it will ask for permission.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks008.jpg
9. And then it will play the video on top of other apps just fine.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks009.jpg
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How would iOS users do something as simple & useful as that above?

That is, why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces
the YouTube app entirely (with this far more powerful functionality)?

[nospam]

In article <phvl9f$2ka$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> Why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces the YouTube
> app entirely (with far more powerful functionality)?

it does, and you've been told this *many* times before.

> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> How would iOS users do something as useful as the following?
>
> 1. We pick the first trending video in the New Pipe YouTube GUI.
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks001.jpg
> 2. We could play the video but let's press the "Download" button.
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks002.jpg
> 3. The first time we do that, NewPipe will ask for permission:
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks003.jpg
> 4. Then we can download the entire video (with audio).
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks004.jpg
> 5. Where we get a selection of various video file resolutions:
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks005.jpg
> 6. Or, we can just strip out the audio in various resolutions:
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks006.jpg
> 7. We cam even disply the video on top of other apps if we like.
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks007.jpg
> 8. The first time you select that option it will ask for permission.
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks008.jpg
> 9. And then it will play the video on top of other apps just fine.
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks009.jpg
> ----------------------------------------------------
> How would iOS users do something as simple & useful as that above?

that is not in any way simple.

this is simple, and part of ios:
<http://photos2.insidercdn.com/gallery/13210-9770-IMG_0580-l.jpg>

cue up rant.

[sms]

On 7/9/2018 5:43 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> Why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces the YouTube
> app entirely (with far more powerful functionality)?

They don't allow open-source apps for a good reason.

I was talking to my nephew who is a director at a major manufacturing
company in Minnesota yesterday. The company is all iPhone and does not
allow Android phones for company business.

The security on Android is abysmal. Google does not do a good job of
screening apps plus users can side-load apps from other sources.

At my wife's company, they provide everyone in her department with
iPhones for the same reason, they are legally obligated to protect their
customers data. They have apps that have been developed for them that
they can load that are not on the App store. No upside in paying for
that app development on two different platforms, the slight savings in
hardware costs would be far outweighed by the development and support costs.

There are major advantages to Android because there are so many useful
apps available that have no equivalent on iOS. But security is the major
disadvantage.

[nospam]

In article <phvncm$7f8$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> They don't allow open-source apps for a good reason.

complete nonsense.

apple does not forbid open source apps whatsoever.

it's entirely up to the developer whether they want to open source
their apps. most don't, but some do.

some of them are even paid apps, so you can save a buck or two by
compiling it yourself.

>
> There are major advantages to Android because there are so many useful
> apps available that have no equivalent on iOS.

more nonsense.

there are a few android apps that don't have an ios equivalent, usually
because there's very little demand for what they do, *not* because of
anything apple prohibits.

there are also ios apps that do not (and often cannot) exist on android.

neither platform does everything in all situations.

> But security is the major
> disadvantage.

that part is true.

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 13:19:15 GMT, sms wrote:

> The security on Android is abysmal. Google does not do a good job of
> screening apps plus users can side-load apps from other sources.

There's no doubt that iOS is "safer" to use than is Android.
This is just a basic fact.

If you're afraid of a chainsaw, then use a butterknife to trim trees.

But notice that the Orwellian restrictions of iOS mean that the extreely
useful app functionality that this thread speaks about, which is available
free to all Android users, is unavailable on iOS (despite nospam's spurious
unfounded unsupported claims to the contrary - where nospam is afraid to
post a link to his wholly fabricated claims of iOS app functionality).

Meanwhile, since my foundation is built upon facts, I have no problem
providing explanatory links to the powerful functionality noted in the
subject line of this thread:
New Pipe: An Open Source Take on an Android YouTube App
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/open-source-youtube-app-android/>

NewPipe ¡V YouTube Android app with more controls and no Google
<https://www.slashgear.com/newpipe-youtube-android-app-with-more-controls-and-no-google-20492117/>

Newpipe is a minimalist Youtube player without Google Play Services
<https://androidcommunity.com/newpipe-is-a-minimalist-youtube-player-without-google-play-services-20160215/>
etc.

> There are major advantages to Android because there are so many useful
> apps available that have no equivalent on iOS. But security is the major
> disadvantage.

Remember the thread, from years ago, of the hundred things you can do on
Android that you can't do on iOS?

This is one of the many useful app functionality on Android not on iOS!
"Lightweight YouTube frontend ...to be used without the proprietary
YouTube-API or any of Google's (proprietary) play-services. NewPipe
only parses the YouTube website in order to gain the information it
needs." <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/>

This is the basic math:
a. Apple severely restricts what the apps can do; Google does not
b. Developers provide users with what they think users want
c. Hence, there will *always* be far *less* app functionality on iOS.

What's interesting is that the New Pipe app described in this thread is
extremely useful and it directly negates any need for YouTube Red
subscriptions - and yet - Google knows all about New Pipe (the source code
is freely available for heaven's sake) and they do not shut it down.
NewPipe, a YouTube Downloading App
<https://ausdroid.net/2016/02/17/newpipe-a-youtube-downloading-app/>

In fact, since the source code is available, people have taken that source
code and created New Pipe clones which are available on Google Play!
<https://newpipe.schabi.org>

Source code for the NewPipe A lightweight Youtube frontend for Android
<https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/>

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 13:39:55 GMT, nospam wrote:

> there are a few android apps that don't have an ios equivalent, usually
> because there's very little demand for what they do, *not* because of
> anything apple prohibits.

As you are well aware, *everyone* wanted screen recording for their mobile
devices, where Android had it native for *years* and where we proved that
when developers found a way to provide screen recording on iOS, Apple shut
them down (we have an entire thread on that where Snit, hilariously, tried
to claim otherwise).

Unless you're Snit-like, you can't deny that not only did Apple shut down
every known attempt to give the users screen recording, but eventually (in
September of last year) Apple finally caved in and gave the users that
capability that they always wanted for years.

Many times Apple prevents users from having useful functionality, such as
when they removed the ability to report the unique CellTower ID which you
and Jolly Roger still claim exists but yet, none of you can show a single
screenshot that is of a modern version of iOS (all your screenshots are
from loooooong ago before Apple removed that capability).

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 13:13:58 GMT, nospam wrote:

> it does, and you've been told this *many* times before.

Hehhehheh...

*Your entire belief system is built upon a foundation of your imagination!*

I wonder if you actually believe your incessantly blatantly wholly
fabricated baseless claims of non-existing iOS app functionality?

The fact is that you're *afraid* to post any links that ever actually back
up your imaginary fabrications of iOS functionality.

Meanwhile, since I only speak facts, I always provide many references
which prove that, unlike you, I speak valid and easily verifiable facts.

New Pipe: An Open Source Take on an Android YouTube App
<https://www.maketecheasier.com/open-source-youtube-app-android/>

NewPipe ¡V YouTube Android app with more controls and no Google
<https://www.slashgear.com/newpipe-youtube-android-app-with-more-controls-and-no-google-20492117/>

Newpipe is a minimalist Youtube player without Google Play Services
<https://androidcommunity.com/newpipe-is-a-minimalist-youtube-player-without-google-play-services-20160215/>

Canonical site:
<https://newpipe.schabi.org>

Source code:
<https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/>
etc.

Hehhehheh... nospam and Jolly Roger have a hard time with actual facts.

Let's ask nospam and Jolly Roger to provide a link to this clearly
extremely useful app functionality that replaces YouTube & YouTube Red
subscriptions, for free - in a single app - on iOS!

[nospam]

In article <pi09lu$2f6$2...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> Many times Apple prevents users from having useful functionality, such as
> when they removed the ability to report the unique CellTower ID which you
> and Jolly Roger still claim exists but yet, none of you can show a single
> screenshot that is of a modern version of iOS (all your screenshots are
> from loooooong ago before Apple removed that capability).

multiple screen shots have been provided on numerous occasions that
*clearly* show it can be done, and on current versions of ios.

[nospam]

In article <pi0a79$3d9$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> The fact is that you're *afraid* to post any links that ever actually back
> up your imaginary fabrications of iOS functionality.

nonsense. every time someone posts such a link, you ignore it or you
can't figure out how to get it to work and then go off on another rant.

[nospam]

In article <pi09lt$2f6$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> a. Apple severely restricts what the apps can do; Google does not

google absolutely does restrict what apps can do, and will pull them.

that includes youtube downloaders, because downloading from youtube,
which is *owned* by google, is a violation of their terms of service.

<https://www.gadgetsnow.com/slideshows/9-android-apps-banned-on-google-p
lay-store/TubeMate/photolist/52343495.cms>
However, TubeMate was taken down from the Play Store because
apparently Google wasnšt too happy with users downloading videos from
YouTube.
...
As the name suggests, AdAway helped users get rid of all those
annoying ads on their Android devices. It was among the most popular
ad-blocker apps, till it was removed by Google from the Play Store.
...
[Popcorn Time]...This app was aimed at those who love movies and TV
series. It lets users download content to their systems to watch
later. One can first watch the trailer, choose subtitles, video
quality and then download the film or TV series they wish to watch on
their torrent client. However, because downloading content in this
manner is illegal, the app isn't available on Play Store.

[sms]

On 7/9/2018 11:31 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 9 Jul 2018 13:19:15 GMT, sms wrote:
>
>> The security on Android is abysmal. Google does not do a good job of
>> screening apps plus users can side-load apps from other sources.
>
> There's no doubt that iOS is "safer" to use than is Android.
> This is just a basic fact.
>
> If you're afraid of a chainsaw, then use a butterknife to trim trees.

That's a terrible analogy. BTW, I own three chainsaws.

> But notice that the Orwellian restrictions of iOS mean that the extreely
> useful app functionality that this thread speaks about, which is available
> free to all Android users, is unavailable on iOS (despite nospam's spurious
> unfounded unsupported claims to the contrary - where nospam is afraid to
> post a link to his wholly fabricated claims of iOS app functionality).

Security is of paramount importance for many corporations, and Apple is
very serious about protecting user's data. Google is not. The difference
is understandable, and it's fundamental to each company's business model.

The intense focus on security means that some useful Android apps cannot
exist on iOS, and the corporations that rely on Apple's security
consciousness are fine with that.

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 18:59:38 GMT, nospam wrote:

> nonsense. every time someone posts such a link, you ignore it or you
> can't figure out how to get it to work and then go off on another rant.

hehhehhehheh ...

Your blatant imaginary iOS functionality claim, yet again! :)

The fact that you can *never* back up a single claim just proves that I'm
correct when I say that you're wrong more than is the monkey.

You just guess.

Meanwhile, I speak facts.
And I back them up with references.

You do neither.

In fact:
*Your entire belief system is comprised of fabricated iOS functionality!*

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 18:59:40 GMT, nospam wrote:

> multiple screen shots have been provided on numerous occasions that
> *clearly* show it can be done, and on current versions of ios.

Hehhehheh...

You always play silly games when you know that we all know that Apple
*removed* this capability *long ago* from the iOS devices!

*Your entire belief system is based on wholly fabricated functionality!*

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 18:59:39 GMT, nospam wrote:

> that includes youtube downloaders, because downloading from youtube,
> which is *owned* by google, is a violation of their terms of service.

The question in this thread is WHY doesn't this functionality exist on iOS?

You love to play your silly elementary-school games.
I only speak fact.

Google has known about New Pipe functionality for *years*.
New Pipe just gets better every year.

There's *nothing* even close to its functionality on iOS.
Otherwise, nobody would use the YouTube app, for heaven's sake.

IMHO, if you're using the YouTube app, you're just ignorant, but, worse, if
you *pay* for YouTube Red, then you're an ignorant fool.

The fact is that iOS users just don't have this app functionality.

Period.

And yet, this functionality is available to any Android user who wants it.

The question in this thread is WHY doesn't this functionality exist on iOS?

[nospam]

In article <pi0fka$bpr$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
> The question in this thread is WHY doesn't this functionality exist on iOS?

it does.

and you've even been told how to do it.

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 20:19:15 GMT, nospam wrote:

> and you've even been told how to do it.

Hehhehheh...

Yet again, you always prove me right.

*Your entire belief system is built on completely baseless functionality claims!*

That's why you iOS posters (nospam, Lewis, Jolly Roger, BK@OnRamp, etc.)
are so deathly afraid of facts.

*Facts undermine your entire imaginary belief system.*

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 19:42:21 GMT, sms wrote:

> That's a terrible analogy. BTW, I own three chainsaws.

I have a good chainsaw too - which I use all the time.
It's dangerous to use - but it's powerful.

That's my point.
The analogy is that Apple crippled what iOS could do.

Those here seem to say Apple crippled iOS so that it wouldn't be too
powerfully dangerous - but more to the point, Apple cripples iOS so that
they can *control* and *restrict* what the users can do.

For example, the user can't torrent, they can't automatically record phone
calls, they can't get the unique Cell Tower ID (no matter how many times
nospam and Jolly Roger make up that they can), they can't record wifi
signal strength graphically for all access points over time, they can't
even put app icons where they want them to be for heaven's sake.

Using iOS is like using a butterknife to saw down a tree - or - maybe a
hedge clipper to saw down a tree if you object to the butterknife analogy.

Using Android is like having a Stihl 20-inch chain saw.
Powerful. And dangerous.

It's not for man children like nospam or Jolly Roger.

BTW, did you ever get your iOS device to work effectively as a "usb stick"?
Mine works just fine as an effective "usb stick".
I just plug it in, and voila - simultaneous access to all three operating
system's visible file system, Windows, Linux, and iOS.

That's a pretty neat trick considering it's so simple (although nospam
things that simply plugging in a USB cable is "too complicated" for him).

>> But notice that the Orwellian restrictions of iOS mean that the extreely
>> useful app functionality that this thread speaks about, which is available
>> free to all Android users, is unavailable on iOS (despite nospam's spurious
>> unfounded unsupported claims to the contrary - where nospam is afraid to
>> post a link to his wholly fabricated claims of iOS app functionality).
>
> Security is of paramount importance for many corporations, and Apple is
> very serious about protecting user's data. Google is not. The difference
> is understandable, and it's fundamental to each company's business model.

I would agree that you have a point, where Apple restricts what the apps
can do so that allows control that Android doesn't allow. I'm not
disagreeing with you.

If you care more about safety than functionality, then iOS is likely the
better platform. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

But you can't have people like nospam and Jolly Roger saying it's both safe
and functional, because iOS apps are clearly not anywhere nearly as
functional as Android apps are, so the iOS ecosystem sure as hell had
better at least be safe! :)

It's good to speak to someone on this newsgroup who can handle facts.

We don't have to agree on how much we weigh functionality versus safety -
but we at least can speak facts without having to deal with the incessant
fabrication of imaginary functionality that nospam and Jolly Roger
constantly do.

> The intense focus on security means that some useful Android apps cannot
> exist on iOS, and the corporations that rely on Apple's security
> consciousness are fine with that.

Is that why there are no automatic call recording apps on iOS?
Dunno.

Maybe it's why you can't torrent on iOS?

But why can't you get a correct cell tower ID on iOS?
Is that really a "security" issue?

And why no ability to graph wifi signal strength for all visible APs?
Is that really a security issue?

More to the point, is the ability to organize your desktop the way you want
to organize it a security issue? Probably not, right?

So not every Orwellian restriction of iOS us a 'security" issue.
Being a pragmatic and intelligent person, I suspect that Apple does what
Apple can get away with - which - make no doubt about it - Apple gets away
with a lot!

They're one of the most profitable companies on the planet, and yet, their
product is so primitive that the app launcher hasn't progressed in ten
years, which is an eternity in this technical space.

When you compare the functionality of the Nova launcher, for example, to
the lack of functionality in the iOS app launcher, the stark reality of the
primitive and hugely restrictive iOS user interface hits home hard.

My main point is that I'm sure "security" is the reason for "some" of the
iOS Orwellian restrictions - but it's hard to make a case that providing
users with an admittedly primitive launcher (by all accounts except the
Apple man children) has anything to do with 'security'.

That issue of what Apple is really doing is kind of why I haven't responded
to Alan Browne's post, where Apple has never created a best-in-class
product, but, his point is that isn't their market.

Anyway, I really do care about you sms, so I would love to know if you've
gotten all your answers on your questions about using the iOS device as an
effective "usb stick".

For me, "it just works:
a. I plug the iOS device into my desktop using USB.
b. Voila!

Just by doing that, I can slide any files from Windows/Linux/iOS visible
file systems both ways *simultaneously* into or out of all three file
systems.

It's just so perfect!

(It amazes me that just plugging in a device is "too complex" for nospam.)

[nospam]

In article <pi11bs$8qs$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> Anyway, I really do care about you sms,

awww.. isn't that special.

[Arlen Holder]

On 10 Jul 2018 01:44:50 GMT, nospam wrote:

>> Anyway, I really do care about you sms,
>
> awww.. isn't that special.

The huge difference between you and me, nospam, is not that you appear to
have zero formal education, since your just-guess approach, which nets you
a score worse than that of the monkey, would earn an F in any technical
class (it's even debatable whether you could pass a high-school technical
class with your just-guess approach).

Even given the huge disparities in technical training, the huge difference
between us isn't that I'm highly well educated and that you're apparetnly
not at all educated, nor even that I freely admit that I don't know iOS
well, since you often prove you know far less than I do in almost all
situations.

The biggest difference isn't that you incessantly play silly semantic games
(like Jolly Roger is doing right now with trying to cover up that IPA files
don't work like APK files, where you can "copy" them, but they won't work
on anyone else's device so Jolly Roger plays the silly semantic games you
play of saying you can copy them all day - which is worthless game playing
on his part).

Nor is the biggest difference that you almost never back up your
statements, while I almost always provide many (many) references backing up
my facts.

Interestingly, the biggest difference between us isn't that you're almost
always wrong (the monkey doing better than you) and that I'm almost always
right (I won't say I'm always right because there is a slight chance that I
make a mistake - but you've never once found a mistake so my statements is
iron clad fact that leaves little chance for error).

The biggest difference between us isn't that you don't know iOS, nor that
you just guess about everything, but the biggest difference is that you
have zero helpful intent.

How we differ the most:
a. You aren't technical, so you just guess about everything, and,
b. Your guesses are wrong more than they're right, and,
c. You have zero helpful intent.

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 12:43:31 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> How would iOS users do something as simple & useful as that above?
>
> That is, why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces
> the YouTube app entirely (with this far more powerful functionality)?

*Clearly such powerful app functionality doesn't exist on iOS.*

Since I haven't seen a YouTube advertisement in years, I even forgot to
mention in addition to the previously noted useful and powerful
functionality the free NewPipe app gives users on Android, it also
automatically eliminates all YouTube advertisements.

1. That one free open-source app searches & plays all YouTube videos,
2. And it downloads (and/or strips) audio/video from that video,
2. At the same time it automatically eliminates all YouTube advertisements.

All that without logging into or creating any user account whatsoever.

There are other goodies in this one free app, such as "soundcloud"
integration, history settings, search settings, quality settings, audio &
video player settings, picture in picture settings, replacement of special
characters by default, setting the default home page to kiosk, feed,
subscription, channel, etc., but the major advantages of this single
freeware app functionality are:
a. free youtube replacement
b. downloads and strips audio & video
c. never do you ever see an advertisement

The question is:
*Why doesn't similarly powerful app functionality ever exist on iOS?*

--
Note: The Apple Apologists incessantly fabricate imaginary iOS
functionality, but the funny thing is that the Apple Apologists never seem
to be able to find any link to their imaginary app in the App Store.

[Arlen Holder]

On 11 Jul 2018 20:45:30 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> *Clearly such powerful app functionality doesn't exist on iOS.*

Oh, and I just remembered, since I never log into anything if I don't have
to, that this Android app functionality allows you to subscribe to a
YouTube channel without having *any* account whatsoever.

Hence you don't need a Google Account to subscribe to a YouTube channel.

*Why doesn't useful & powerful app functionality like this exist on iOS?*