Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone?

[Horace Algier]

Do you turn off your carrier diagnostics collection on your cell phone?
http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

I don't have an iOS phone, but, monthly, I reset my T-Mobile Android phone
to factory defaults.
http://i.cubeupload.com/K0KITq.png

Invariably, the question comes up by T-Mobile diagnostic software of
whether I want the cellular carrier to collect diagnostics, or not:
http://i.cubeupload.com/AgFoIL.png

When I press for "more information", I'm taken to this web page:
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-2929

Which explains:
"What types of information does T-Mobile collect?
Device signal strength
System crashes
Dropped calls records
Battery performance
Application usage"

That web page suggests I download this T-Mobile app:
http://www.t-mobile.com/landing/download-t-mobile-app.html

Which I never do because I already have the T-Mobile "System Manager
Application", which says:
"This software collects diagnostic data..."
http://i.cubeupload.com/YmIxZZ.png

To disable data collection, go to:
Settings > Accounts > BAckup and reset > Collect Diagnostics
Turn off the checkbox "Allow Diagnostics"
http://i.cubeupload.com/f166HH.png

*My question for Android users:*
Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

My question for iOS users:
Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?





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[Horace Algier]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 05:02:01 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> To disable carrier data collection, go to:

> Settings > Accounts > BAckup and reset > Collect Diagnostics
> Turn off the checkbox "Allow Diagnostics"
> http://i.cubeupload.com/f166HH.png
>
> *My question for Android users:*
> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
> http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png
>
> My question for iOS users:
> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?

In addition to disabling carrier data collection, I went through all the
default apps to turn off any permissions I didn't like.
http://i.cubeupload.com/m1cZWG.png

In doing so, I noticed that the carrier diagnostics-collection application
*inherently* still showed it had innate permission to the phone's location.
http://i.cubeupload.com/laYugI.png

By flipping the "location" switch from "on" to "off", I think I ensured
that the carrier wasn't checking in on my location from time to time via
its "system manager application":
http://i.cubeupload.com/VTiYIB.png

*My question for Android users:*
Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

*My question for iOS users:*

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algier <hor...@horatio.net> wrote

> Do you turn off your carrier diagnostics collection on your cell phone?
> http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

Nope, I'm not that stupid.

> I don't have an iOS phone, but, monthly, I reset
> my T-Mobile Android phone to factory defaults.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/K0KITq.png

More fool you.

I'm not that stupid.

> My question for iOS users:
> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?

Nope.

[Rod Speed]

"Horace Algier" <hor...@horatio.net> wrote in message
news:nrt80l$1n33$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 05:02:01 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:
>
>> To disable carrier data collection, go to:
>> Settings > Accounts > BAckup and reset > Collect Diagnostics
>> Turn off the checkbox "Allow Diagnostics"
>> http://i.cubeupload.com/f166HH.png
>>
>> *My question for Android users:*
>> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
>> http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png
>>
>> My question for iOS users:
>> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?
>
> In addition to disabling carrier data collection, I went through all the
> default apps to turn off any permissions I didn't like.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/m1cZWG.png

No one actually gives a flying red fuck about what you do.

> In doing so, I noticed that the carrier diagnostics-collection application
> *inherently* still showed it had innate permission to the phone's
> location.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/laYugI.png

So you get fucked over regardless of your stupid games.

> By flipping the "location" switch from "on" to "off", I think
> I ensured that the carrier wasn't checking in on my location
> from time to time via its "system manager application":
> http://i.cubeupload.com/VTiYIB.png

You're wrong, as always.

> *My question for Android users:*
> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
> http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

No one except you is actually that stupid.

> *My question for iOS users:*
> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?

Nope.

[tlvp]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 05:02:01 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?

On my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2 there's no option to turn that on or off.
HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp (Android v. 2.3.5)
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[Horace Algier]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 03:25:32 -0400, tlvp wrote:

> On my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2 there's no option to turn that on or off.

Thank you for both *understanding* the question, and answering it like an
adult should.

I am only familiar with T-Mobile diagnostic services.
You are on Verizon.

I wasn't sure from your response whether you were saying that Verizon
doesn't bother to *collect* the diagnostic data - or - if you were saying
that Verizon *does* collect the data - and that you were not able to turn
that collection off.

In short, can you clarify if you were saying that Verizon doesn't have the
data-collection software? Or if you were saying Verizon does have the
data-collection software - but you can't turn off the data collection like
you can with T-mobile?

[Savageduck]

On 2016-09-21 06:06:14 +0000, Horace Algier <hor...@horatio.net> said:

<<Le Snip>>

> In addition to disabling carrier data collection, I went through all the
> default apps to turn off any permissions I didn't like.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/m1cZWG.png
>
> In doing so, I noticed that the carrier diagnostics-collection application
> *inherently* still showed it had innate permission to the phone's location.
> http://i.cubeupload.com/laYugI.png
>
> By flipping the "location" switch from "on" to "off", I think I ensured
> that the carrier wasn't checking in on my location from time to time via
> its "system manager application":
> http://i.cubeupload.com/VTiYIB.png
>
> *My question for Android users:*
> Q: Do you turn off the carrier diagnostic data-collection software?
> http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png
>
> *My question for iOS users:*
> Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?

Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to
"Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there
you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have
the options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to
choose whichever you want.

At the bottom of that settings window you will find the current status
and a tap selection to view the currently accumulated "Diagnostics &
Usage Data".

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[nospam]

In article <201609210753128228-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck

<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > *My question for iOS users:*
> > Q: Do the carriers do the same data collection on iOS phones?
>
> Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to
> "Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there
> you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have
> the options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to
> choose whichever you want.
>
> At the bottom of that settings window you will find the current status
> and a tap selection to view the currently accumulated "Diagnostics &
> Usage Data".

*all* cellular carriers collect diagnostic data regardless of the type
of phone (smartphone or candybar/flip), such as when and where calls
drop, so that they can see where they need to fix things.

[Davoud]

Horace Algier:

> Do you turn off your carrier diagnostics collection on your cell phone?

No. Fortunately, there is no history of mental illness in my family, no
paranoia.

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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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[AL]

On 9/21/2016 7:53 AM, Savageduck wrote:

> Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to
> "Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there
> you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have the
> options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to choose
> whichever you want.

I have a similar setting in my Verizon Droid. Motorola (now a Lenovo
product) collects the data.

Switch 1 says: "Help Improve Motorola Products Share device usage
statistics".

Switch 2 says: "Enhanced Device Support Enable customized support and
recommendations for your device".

And you can get a Motorola ID: "Motorola can provide you with a more
personalized experience by identifying you across devices".

All very lovely words, don't you think? 8-O

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:09:32 -0400, Davoud wrote:

> Fortunately, there is no history of mental illness in my famil

Somehow, no matter *what* the subject matter is, you consistently prove
that you're a kook who can't add any value to *any* discussion.

Anyway, it seems that *most* carriers and *both* major platforms (i.e.,
both Apple & Google) seems to have employed carrier-diagnostic software
initially created by a Silicon Valley company called "Carrier IQ".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ

On December 1, 2011, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile confirmed that "Carrier IQ"
was on their phones. Verizon was the only one of the four biggest U.S.
firms to say it was not installed on their phones.

Apple, HTC, and Samsung said the Carrier IQ diagnostic software was
installed on their phones. Apple said it had quit supporting the
application in iOS 5. It said, "With any diagnostic data sent to Apple,
customers must actively opt-in to share this information and Apple said it
would scrub the software from phones in some future release.

As Savageduck and tlvp found out for Verizon "The IQ Agent software runs in
the background, and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless
the implementation includes an on-off switch".

Luckily T-Mobile includes that opt-out switch on all their Android phones.
I'm not sure yet if anyone here has an iPhone with T-Mobile who can see if
they can opt out of the Carrier IQ Agent data gathering.

The software is on over a hundred million smart phones according to the
Wikipedia article as Carrier IQ acts as a diagnostic agent for the mobile
carrier operators.

Their value equation to the mobile carriers is "real time" collection of
data: "Carrier IQĄŚs Mobile Service Intelligence solution eliminates
guesswork by automatically providing accurate, real-time data direct from
the source ĄV your customers' handsets."

I don't know of any Apple software to detect "Carrier IQ", but, there is an
Android app on Google Play which does not require rooting that will
identify the app:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lookout.carrieriqdetector&hl=en
CarrierIQ Scanner & Protection by Lookout Labs

I created a bogus Google Play account, and ran the software and it detected
Carrier IQ software on my mobile handset, but it can't detect wither I've
adequately disabled it yet (that's where the T-mobile opt-out instructions
apply).

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:19:21 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> No one except you is actually that stupid.

As usual, you both fail to comprehend the subject matter, *and* you fail to
add any value; yet, you still post. Amazing.

Anyway, to add value, for those who have T-Mobile, it seems that "Carrier
IQ" was a company in Sunnyvale that created the diagnostic software for teh
carriers, and which was bought out by AT&T.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ

Luckily, you can opt-out of Carrier IQ (system manager) software, but it
seems to be a different sequence for each smart phone.

For example, to opt out of Carrier IQ for ...

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Samsung Galaxy S7 (G930T)
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-24985

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Alcatel ONETOUCH Evolve
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-12948

System Manager (Carrier IQ): LG G2
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-11114

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Samsung Galaxy S 5
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-28460

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Samsung Galaxy S4
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-27793

System Manager (Carrier IQ): Samsung Galaxy Note 3
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-27732
etc.

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:01:28 -0400, nospam wrote:

> *all* cellular carriers collect diagnostic data regardless of the type
> of phone (smartphone or candybar/flip), such as when and where calls
> drop, so that they can see where they need to fix things.

I'm sure there is diagnostic information that you *can't* disable, but
there is certainly diagnostic information being sent to the carrier that
you *can* disable.

So the question is simply who disables carrier software, and, if they do
disable the carrier software, then how do they do it (so that all others
may benefit from the information).

1. I showed how to disable the T-mobile "System Manager Application" data
collection on Android, which anyone on T-Mobile can replicate.
2. Savageduck, on iOS, couldn't find where Verizon was collecting data, but
he kindly showed how he disables the *Apple* collection of data.
3. tlvp, on Android, said he couldn't find how to turn off the Verizon
collection of data on Android either - so it might be that you can't turn
off Verizon collection of data on either platform.

4. You (nospam) mentioned the obvious (which didn't add any value)
5. Rod Speed simply ranted as usual (showing even *less* value)
6. Davoud is another kook who posted utter nonsense (as usual for him)

In summary, based only on what has been reported here with respect to
*carrier* collection of data, the group tribal knowledge is the following:
a. On Android, you *can* turn off *T-Mobile* "System Manager Application"
data collection.
b. On iOS and Android, you *can't* turn off *Verizon* diagnostic data
collection

No word yet on T-Mobile on iOS or AT&T on either platform.

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 07:53:12 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to
> "Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there
> you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have
> the options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to
> choose whichever you want.

Thank you for that information about disabling the diagnostics sending by
Apple on a Verizon iPhone.

It seems there are *multiple* places where stock Android/iOS phones send
"diagnostic" information to the mother ship, which I propose that we should
all know about.

In this case, there are two categories of mother ships:
- The platform (e.g., Apple & Google)
- The carriers (e.g., Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint, etc.)

> At the bottom of that settings window you will find the current status
> and a tap selection to view the currently accumulated "Diagnostics &
> Usage Data".

That's nice that you can actually *see* the data that will be sent back to
the mother ship (in your case, back to Apple).

That's akin to my turning off Google diagnostics, which is pretty easy to
turn off - but you have to *know* where the settings are, since they're
scattered all about.

That's why I opened *separate* threads on turning off the various
diagnostics mechanisms.

I think I've disabled the T-mobile diagnostic software, for example.
Do you think that you've disabled the Verizon diagnostic collection?

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:27:04 -0700, AL wrote:

> I have a similar setting in my Verizon Droid. Motorola (now a Lenovo
> product) collects the data.
>
> Switch 1 says: "Help Improve Motorola Products Share device usage
> statistics".
>
> Switch 2 says: "Enhanced Device Support Enable customized support and
> recommendations for your device".
>
> And you can get a Motorola ID: "Motorola can provide you with a more
> personalized experience by identifying you across devices".
>
> All very lovely words, don't you think? 8-O

Thank you for adding value to the discussion, with respect to your phone,
and looking at what "diagnostics" are reported back to the carrier.

It seems there are 3 different types of diagnostics discussed in this
thread:

1. carrier diagnostics (e.g., T-Mobile or Verizon or AT&T)
2. OS maker diagnostics (e.g., Apple or Google)
3. phone maker diagnostics (e.g., Motorola/Lenovo or Samsung or HTC)

In this thread:
1. I showed how to turn off the *carrier* "system manager" diagnostics app
for T-Mobile while tlvp showed that the Verizon equivalent is not so easily
turned off.
2. Savageduck showed how to turn off the *OS maker* diagnostics for Apple
and in another thread, I showed how to turn off the Google os-maker
diagnostics.
3. You found the *manufacturer* app was sending diagnostics to Moto/Lenovo.

Given that there are 3 (actually 4 if we add individual apps) places where
your "diagnostic" information is sent to a mother ship, we may want to
limit this thred to *just* learning how to turn off the *carrier*
diagnostics collection.

The major carriers except Verizon all seem to have standardized on software
originally called "Carrier IQ", according to this note:
Understanding Carrier IQ: The Most Detailed Explanation So Far
http://mashable.com/2011/12/13/understanding-carrier-iq/#fFKox0xzKgqd

Carrier IQ: What it is, what it isn't, and what you need to know
https://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/carrier-iq-what-it-is-what-it-isnt-and-what-you-need-to/

[nospam]

In article <nruf60$1r7o$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

> Apple, HTC, and Samsung said the Carrier IQ diagnostic software was
> installed on their phones. Apple said it had quit supporting the
> application in iOS 5.

...

> I don't know of any Apple software to detect "Carrier IQ",

what part of "it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5" is not
clear?

ios is up to version *10* now, so apple nixed it *five* years ago.

[nospam]

In article <nruf68$1r7o$3...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > *all* cellular carriers collect diagnostic data regardless of the type
> > of phone (smartphone or candybar/flip), such as when and where calls
> > drop, so that they can see where they need to fix things.
>
> I'm sure there is diagnostic information that you *can't* disable, but
> there is certainly diagnostic information being sent to the carrier that
> you *can* disable.

who cares. it's just call drops and similar info, not specific data
about what someone is doing. completely harmless.

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:35:38 -0400, nospam wrote:

> who cares. it's just call drops and similar info, not specific data
> about what someone is doing. completely harmless.

Plenty of smart people care. While you're so used to "just giving up", it
doesn't bother you in the least that you can't disable carrier diagnostics,
and that's fine. You're not someone who can help in this discussion.

However, plenty of people do care, and they've even written apps to
*remove* the carrier diagnostic software.

FOr example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=110
Where the author says the app "can be used to verify what logging is being
done on your phone and where data is going to. It will assist you in
manually removing parts that you do not want running".

Besides, you may not care about security, but you must know that the
company that made Carrier IQ (which was on over 140 million phones
according to that company at the time, including iPhones) admitted a bug
where they collected cleartext SMS messages which were supposed to be
encrypted.

Given that is a well-reported bug, wouldn't you care if your encrypted
messages were being sent, in cleartext, to the carrier?

I realize you are so used to "just giving up" whenever a user-customization
is involved, but other people don't give up as easily as you do. They care.

[nospam]

In article <nruh0b$1u88$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > who cares. it's just call drops and similar info, not specific data
> > about what someone is doing. completely harmless.
>
> Plenty of smart people care. While you're so used to "just giving up", it
> doesn't bother you in the least that you can't disable carrier diagnostics,
> and that's fine. You're not someone who can help in this discussion.
>
> However, plenty of people do care, and they've even written apps to
> *remove* the carrier diagnostic software.

once again, you're spewing about things you know *nothing* about.

carrier iq is *not* the same as carrier diagnostic software which
tracks stuff like call drops or dead spots and carrier iq isn't on
iphones anyway so there's nothing to remove.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> Davoud wrote

>> Fortunately, there is no history of mental illness in my famil

> Somehow, no matter *what* the subject matter is, you consistently
> prove that you're a kook who can't add any value to *any* discussion.

Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> Anyway, it seems that *most* carriers and *both* major platforms
> (i.e., both Apple & Google) seems to have employed carrier-diagnostic
> software initially created by a Silicon Valley company called "Carrier
> IQ".
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ

But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone.

> On December 1, 2011, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile confirmed that
> "Carrier IQ" was on their phones. Verizon was the only one of the
> four biggest U.S. firms to say it was not installed on their phones.

It isnt on anyone's iphone now.

> Apple, HTC, and Samsung said the Carrier IQ diagnostic software
> was installed on their phones. Apple said it had quit supporting the
> application in iOS 5. It said, "With any diagnostic data sent to Apple,
> customers must actively opt-in to share this information and Apple
> said it would scrub the software from phones in some future release.

> As Savageduck and tlvp found out for Verizon
> "The IQ Agent software runs in the background,

Not on current iphones it doesn’t.

> and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless
> the implementation includes an on-off switch".

> Luckily T-Mobile includes that opt-out switch on all their Android
> phones. I'm not sure yet if anyone here has an iPhone with T-Mobile
> who can see if they can opt out of the Carrier IQ Agent data gathering.

There is no CARRIER IQ Agent data gathering on current iphones.

> The software is on over a hundred million smart phones
> according to the Wikipedia article as Carrier IQ acts as a
> diagnostic agent for the mobile carrier operators.

Not on current iphones.

> Their value equation to the mobile carriers is "real time" collection

> of data: "Carrier IQ¡¦s Mobile Service Intelligence solution eliminates

> guesswork by automatically providing accurate, real-time data direct

> from the source ¡V your customers' handsets."

Not on current iphones.

> I don't know of any Apple software to detect "Carrier IQ",

It aint there to detect on current iphones.

> but, there is an Android app on Google Play which
> does not require rooting that will identify the app:

> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lookout.carrieriqdetector&hl=en
> CarrierIQ Scanner & Protection by Lookout Labs

> I created a bogus Google Play account, and ran the software
> and it detected Carrier IQ software on my mobile handset,

Yep, droids are steaming turds wrt the security of your personal data.

> but it can't detect wither I've adequately disabled it yet
> (that's where the T-mobile opt-out instructions apply).

Yep, droids are steaming turds wrt the security of your personal data.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> No one except you is actually that stupid.

> As usual, you both fail to comprehend the subject matter,

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> *and* you fail to add any value;

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

I told you more than once that there is no collection
BY CARRIERS of that data on current iphones, you silly
little pathological liar/pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

> yet, you still post.

I answered your trolling question, fuckwit.

> Amazing.

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

<reams of your repetitive troll shit flushed where it belongs>

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:35:37 -0400, nospam wrote:

> what part of "it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5" is not
> clear?
>
> ios is up to version *10* now, so apple nixed it *five* years ago.

This thread is about recognizing and disabling *carrier diagnostics*
reporting, and as such, it applies to both Apple & Google based phones.

While CIQ first appeared in iOS 3.1.3, you have already said that *all*
carriers perform the diagnostics, and presumably you meant on all platforms
today, including both iOS & Android.

I have shown that T-Mobile uses specific software which, luckily, can be
easily turned off, if you know how to turn it off.

CIQ (which is now owned by AT&T) is only *one* of the software packages
that Apple and the carriers (AT&T, T-Mobile, and SPrint - but not Verizon)
used.

It seems, based on what Savageduck wrote, all it takes to disable *Apple*
diagnostics is to jump into Settings/About/Diagnostics & Usage, and change
the setting to ´Donÿt send.¡

But what about the *carrier* diagnostics? (e.g., T-Mobile, Sprint, AT&T,
etc.)

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:51:54 -0400, nospam wrote:

> once again, you're spewing about things you know *nothing* about.
>
> carrier iq is *not* the same as carrier diagnostic software which
> tracks stuff like call drops or dead spots and carrier iq isn't on
> iphones anyway so there's nothing to remove.

CIQ was on all iPhones for many years, but CIQ is only one of many ways
that carriers collect data where you can *opt out* of that data collection.

You, yourself, said that *all* carriers collect diagnostic information.

This thread simply asks if people disable their carrier diagnostic
software.

The goal is to identify where the *carriers* are obtaining data, and, if
possible, to learn how to *opt out* of that data collection.

Certainly it was easy to opt out of the T-mobile "system manager" app.

Others can report how they can opt out of their carrier diagnostics
collection on their phones.

[Horace Algiers]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 03:59:46 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone.

Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS?

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> nospam wrote

>> *all* cellular carriers collect diagnostic data regardless of the type
>> of phone (smartphone or candybar/flip), such as when and where
>> calls drop, so that they can see where they need to fix things.

> I'm sure there is diagnostic information that you *can't* disable,

Of course there is with what is collected back in the bases, fuckwit.

> but there is certainly diagnostic information being sent to the carrier

Not with current iphones there is, troll.

> that you *can* disable.

> So the question is simply who disables carrier software,

There is no carrier software to disable on current iphones, troll.

> and, if they do disable the carrier software, then how do they do it

Nothing to disable on current iphones, troll.

> (so that all others may benefit from the information).

Nothing to benefit from with current iphones, troll.

> 1. I showed how to disable the T-mobile "System Manager Application"
> data collection on Android, which anyone on T-Mobile can replicate.
> 2. Savageduck, on iOS, couldn't find where Verizon was collecting data,
> but he kindly showed how he disables the *Apple* collection of data.

Its disabled by default, you pathetic excuse for a troll.

> 3. tlvp, on Android, said he couldn't find how to turn off the Verizon
> collection of data on Android either - so it might be that you can't
> turn off Verizon collection of data on either platform.

Nothing is collected on current iphones, troll.

> 4. You (nospam) mentioned the obvious (which didn't add any value)

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> 5. Rod Speed simply ranted as usual (showing even *less* value)

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> 6. Davoud is another kook who posted utter nonsense (as usual for him)

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> In summary, based only on what has been reported here with respect to
> *carrier* collection of data, the group tribal knowledge is the following:
> a. On Android, you *can* turn off *T-Mobile* "System Manager Application"
> data collection.
> b. On iOS and Android, you *can't* turn off *Verizon* diagnostic data
> collection

Nothing to turn off on iOS, troll, it isnt collected by any carrier in iOS.

> No word yet on T-Mobile on iOS or AT&T on either platform.

Because Apple has said that it isnt collected, troll.

[Rod Speed]

"Horace Algiers" <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote in message
news:nruf6a$1r7o$4...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 07:53:12 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> Wih my iPhones on Verizon it is simple enought to go to
>> "Settings->"Privacy"(scroll to the bottom)->"Diagnostics & Usage" there
>> you find that it is Apple, not Verizon requesting the data. You have
>> the options to "Send Automatically" or "Don't Send". You are free to
>> choose whichever you want.
>
> Thank you for that information about disabling the diagnostics sending by
> Apple on a Verizon iPhone.
>
> It seems there are *multiple* places where stock Android/iOS phones send
> "diagnostic" information to the mother ship, which I propose that we
> should
> all know about.
>
> In this case, there are two categories of mother ships:
> - The platform (e.g., Apple & Google)
> - The carriers (e.g., Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint, etc.)
>
>> At the bottom of that settings window you will find the current status
>> and a tap selection to view the currently accumulated "Diagnostics &
>> Usage Data".
>
> That's nice that you can actually *see* the data that will be sent back to
> the mother ship (in your case, back to Apple).
>
> That's akin to my turning off Google diagnostics, which is pretty easy to
> turn off - but you have to *know* where the settings are, since they're
> scattered all about.

Nope, its disabled by default, troll.

> That's why I opened *separate* threads on turning off the various
> diagnostics mechanisms.
>
> I think I've disabled the T-mobile diagnostic software, for example.
> Do you think that you've disabled the Verizon diagnostic collection?

There is no CARRIER diagnostic collection to disable on current iphones,
troll.

[nospam]

In article <nrui33$i4$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > what part of "it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5" is not
> > clear?
> >
> > ios is up to version *10* now, so apple nixed it *five* years ago.
>
> This thread is about recognizing and disabling *carrier diagnostics*
> reporting, and as such, it applies to both Apple & Google based phones.

no it is't.

it's about yet another troll.

> While CIQ first appeared in iOS 3.1.3, you have already said that *all*
> carriers perform the diagnostics, and presumably you meant on all platforms
> today, including both iOS & Android.

i'm talking about *today*, not what happened *seven* years ago.

> I have shown that T-Mobile uses specific software which, luckily, can be
> easily turned off, if you know how to turn it off.

not all of it, you can't.

> CIQ (which is now owned by AT&T) is only *one* of the software packages
> that Apple and the carriers (AT&T, T-Mobile, and SPrint - but not Verizon)
> used.

used, as in past tense. ciq hasn't been on iphones in five years.

> It seems, based on what Savageduck wrote, all it takes to disable *Apple*
> diagnostics is to jump into Settings/About/Diagnostics & Usage, and change
> the setting to ´Donÿt send.¡

that's ios diagnostics, not carrier diagnostics.

> But what about the *carrier* diagnostics? (e.g., T-Mobile, Sprint, AT&T,
> etc.)

that can't be disabled, nor should it, because it's vital for the
carriers to detect problems and fix them.

[nospam]

In article <nruidj$16e$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > once again, you're spewing about things you know *nothing* about.
> >
> > carrier iq is *not* the same as carrier diagnostic software which
> > tracks stuff like call drops or dead spots and carrier iq isn't on
> > iphones anyway so there's nothing to remove.
>
> CIQ was on all iPhones for many years, but CIQ is only one of many ways
> that carriers collect data where you can *opt out* of that data collection.

not very many years, and ciq has been gone for a very, very long time.

> You, yourself, said that *all* carriers collect diagnostic information.

they do, and it's beneficial for everyone that they do.

> This thread simply asks if people disable their carrier diagnostic
> software.

they don't, because they're not paranoid idiots and they want the
carriers to improve coverage and fix problems

[nospam]

In article <nruiha$1gr$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS?

you're *so* clueless.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> nospam wrote

>> who cares. it's just call drops and similar info, not specific
>> data about what someone is doing. completely harmless.

He's right.

> Plenty of smart people care.

Just the paranoid fools...

> While you're so used to "just giving up",

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> it doesn't bother you in the least that you can't disable carrier
> diagnostics,

Nothing to disable on current iphones, fuckwit troll.

IT ISNT THERE TO DISABLE, fuckwit troll.

> and that's fine. You're not someone who can help in this discussion.

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> However, plenty of people do care,

Just paranoid fuckwits like you, troll.

> and they've even written apps to *remove*
> the carrier diagnostic software.

Not possible REMOVE what isnt there in the first place, fuckwit troll.

> FOr example:
> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=110
> Where the author says the app "can be used to verify what logging is
> being done on your phone and where data is going to. It will assist
> you in manually removing parts that you do not want running".

Doesn’t work on iphones, fuckwit troll.

> Besides, you may not care about security,

Nothing whatever to do with security, fuckwit troll.

And if you had a fucking clue about security, you'd be using an iphone
anyway, because your personal data is MUCH more secure with those.

> but you must know that the company that made Carrier
> IQ (which was on over 140 million phones according to
> that company at the time, including iPhones)

Not for 5 YEARS now, fuckwit troll.

> admitted a bug where they collected cleartext SMS
> messages which were supposed to be encrypted.

Not on iOS, fuckwit troll.

> Given that is a well-reported bug, wouldn't you care if your
> encrypted messages were being sent, in cleartext, to the carrier?

They arent with iOS, fuckwit troll.

> I realize you are so used to "just giving up"
> whenever a user-customization is involved,

You are lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> but other people don't give up as easily as you do. They care.

Only the paranoid fuckwits too stupid to use iOS.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> nospam wrote

>> what part of "it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5" is not
>> clear?

>> ios is up to version *10* now, so apple nixed it *five* years ago.

> This thread is about recognizing and disabling *carrier diagnostics*
> reporting, and as such, it applies to both Apple & Google based phones.

Not when there isnt anything like that with current iphones.

> While CIQ first appeared in iOS 3.1.3, you have already
> said that *all* carriers perform the diagnostics,

He never said it was done IN THE PHONE, fuckwit troll.

> and presumably you meant on all platforms
> today, including both iOS & Android.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> I have shown that T-Mobile uses specific software which,
> luckily, can be easily turned off, if you know how to turn it off.

Nothing to turn off with iphones, it isnt there, fuckwit troll.

> CIQ (which is now owned by AT&T) is only *one*
> of the software packages that Apple and the carriers
> (AT&T, T-Mobile, and SPrint - but not Verizon) used.

> It seems, based on what Savageduck wrote, all it takes to disable
> *Apple* diagnostics is to jump into Settings/About/Diagnostics
> & Usage, and change the setting to ´Donÿt send.¡

Don’t even need to do that, ITS OFF BY DEFAULT, fuckwit troll.

> But what about the *carrier* diagnostics? (e.g., T-Mobile, Sprint, AT&T,
> etc.)

There isnt any on iphones, fuckwit troll.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> nospam wrote

>> once again, you're spewing about things you know *nothing* about.

>> carrier iq is *not* the same as carrier diagnostic software
>> which tracks stuff like call drops or dead spots and carrier
>> iq isn't on iphones anyway so there's nothing to remove.

> CIQ was on all iPhones for many years,

More of your pig ignorant lies.

> but CIQ is only one of many ways that carriers collect
> data where you can *opt out* of that data collection.

> You, yourself, said that *all* carriers collect diagnostic information.

He never said that that WAS DONE ON THE PHONE, fuckwit troll.

> This thread simply asks if people disable their carrier diagnostic
> software.

It aint there to disable on iphones, fuckwit troll.

> The goal is to identify where the *carriers* are obtaining data,

They don’t on iphones, fuckwit troll.

> and, if possible, to learn how to *opt out* of that data collection.

Nothing to opt out of in iphones, fuckwit troll.

> Certainly it was easy to opt out of the T-mobile "system manager" app.

> Others can report how they can opt out of their
> carrier diagnostics collection on their phones.

No need to opt out of anything with iphones, fuckwit troll.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone.

> Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS?

Apple does and they know a lot more about it than anyone in here, fuckwit
troll.

Nothing is sent to apple by default either.

[Savageduck]

On 2016-09-21 18:10:20 +0000, "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> said:

<<Le Snip>>

> Nothing to turn off on iOS, troll, it isnt collected by any carrier in iOS.

Yet I find this in Settings->Privacy on my iPhone 6S+ running iOS10.0.1.
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/File%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2047%2037.png>

...and

some of the collected, unsent data.
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/File%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2047%2058.png>


--


Regards,

Savageduck

[Rod Speed]

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>> Nothing to turn off on iOS, troll, it isnt collected by any carrier in
>> iOS.

> Yet I find this in Settings->Privacy on my iPhone 6S+ running iOS10.0.1.
> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/File%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2047%2037.png>

That clearly says its collected by APPLE, not any CARRIER.

> ...and

> some of the collected, unsent data.
> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/File%20Sep%2021%2C%2011%2047%2058.png>

That is collected by APPLE, not any CARRIER.

And its off by default too.

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[Rod Speed]

Ant <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone.

>>> Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS?

>> Apple does and they know a lot more
>> about it than anyone in here, fuckwit troll.

>> Nothing is sent to apple by default either.

> How do you clear/delete them? I have so many!

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/11/11/how-to-manage-ios-diagnostic-usage-data/

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:15:55 -0400, nospam wrote:

> they don't, because they're not paranoid idiots and they want the
> carriers to improve coverage and fix problems

If that were true, there wouldn't be opt-out options.

The fact is that opt-out options exist.

For example, T-Mobile makes it easy to opt out of SMA diagnostics:
http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png

Google makes it easy to opt out of "Google & location" data tracking:
http://i.cubeupload.com/4H5qiY.png

Google also allows easy opting out of 3rd-party application tracking:
http://i.cubeupload.com/zNtJ10.png

Even the Nova launcher allows easy opting out of "error & usage" reporting:
http://i.cubeupload.com/2uAwi5.png

*Clearly people "do" opt out, because these options exist.*

In fact, those screenshots are all from last night on "my" phone after I
factory reset it, since I do that monthly given I change hundreds of
settings a month to see what they do.

It's clear you don't even understand the question, or that you have nothing
of value to add to the question for *anyone* to benefit from.

This thread is simply asking others if they disable carrier tracking.

[nospam]

In article <nrv26d$r5s$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > they don't, because they're not paranoid idiots and they want the
> > carriers to improve coverage and fix problems
>
> If that were true, there wouldn't be opt-out options.

there aren't opt-out options for the *carrier* diagnostics, which track
reception, call drops, etc.

there may be opt-out options for other stuff but not always and not
everything can be disabled even if you tap the button, which only
serves to make things worse for everyone.

>
> This thread is simply asking others if they disable carrier tracking.

no it isn't. it's yet another one of your moronic trolls about things
you don't understand.

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:49:31 -0500, Ant wrote:

> How do you clear/delete them? I have so many!

What platform are you on?

If you're on iOS, the platform settings are located at:
Settings > Privacy > Diagnostics & Usage > Diagnostic & Usage Data

If you're on Android, many of the related platform settings only occur
when/if you actually create a Google Play account (which is optional, and
which I have tested to work fine without). For just one example, there is
no ADiD if you don't have a Google Play account.

If you do have a Google Play account, then you just hit the "Google
Settings" icon, and there will be a wealth of settings to customize for
your needs.

For example, you can opt in or out of:
- Smart lock for passwords
- Automatic sign in to apps
- You can review security events of the past 28 days
- You can review when and where devices have accessed your account
- You can set your security alert settings
- You can review apps connected to your account
- You can turn on or off access to less-secure (older) apps
- You can modify "Activity controls" (of which there are many)
- You can delete Google services (like Gmail) from your account
- You can wipe out the entire account
- You can opt in or out of Google Location Services
- You can allow remote lock or factory reset with ADM
- You can scan for security threats
- You can opt to send unknown apps to Google
- You can delete or turn off your web search history
- You can set safe search filters or turn on or off personal results
- You can view and modify connected apps and devices
- You can opt for a security checkup and review of security settings
- You can turn on or off sync for (very many) options
- etc.

[Horace Algiers]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 04:22:07 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> And if you had a fucking clue about security, you'd be using an iphone
> anyway, because your personal data is MUCH more secure with those.

< OT >
It's an entirely *different* topic as to whether an iPhone is more or less
secure than any other mobile device.

On that off-topic rant of yours, it's clear that you are willing to trade
flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

It's funny that you actually *believe* that iOS is *more secure* than any
other non-hardened mobile OS (such as Android).

And you say "I" don't have a clue.

Apparently you missed the entire thread proving that no mobile device on a
commercial consumer operating system is even remotely close to "secure".

But don't take it from me.
Read this from March 3, 2016
Apple iOS vs Google Android: Which is the more secure smartphone OS?
ANSWER = neither
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/apple-ios-vs-google-android-which-more-secure-smartphone-os-1547396
"The Apple operating system is [far] more limited [and only] in theory,
more secure...[in fact] for every Stagefright there is a YiSpecter – which
was uncovered by researchers at Palo Alto Networks and found to be
attacking both jailbroken and non-jailbroken Apple devices. When mixed with
the aforementioned XCodeGhost – which resulted in malicious code in a slew
of apps listed on the official iOS app store ... security experts are now
arguing that both platforms need to step up their game."

Kaspersky says the same thing:
https://usa.kaspersky.com/internet-security-center/threats/android-vs-iphone-mobile-security
"Not invulnerable to malware ... Apple products ... don't guarantee 100%
security and are still vulnerable to malware and hacking."

You are willing to trade flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

Using an iOS device is like driving a car with the engine bay welded shut.
Sure, you *feel* safe - but you're just *pointing* the thing.

And, that *feeling* of safety is merely an illusion that anyone with
untainted eyes can see right through.

It's patently clear that *you* willingly trade a tremendous loss of freedom
for the mere *illusion* of safety; but the question at hand remains simply
whether others disable the carrier diagnostic software on their cellphones.

< / OT >

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> nospam wrote

>> they don't, because they're not paranoid idiots and they
>> want the carriers to improve coverage and fix problems

> If that were true, there wouldn't be opt-out options.

There are opt out options, because there are paranoid eejuts like you
around.

> The fact is that opt-out options exist.

Because there are paranoid eejuts like you around.

> For example, T-Mobile makes it easy to opt out of SMA diagnostics:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/tVhE53.png
>
> Google makes it easy to opt out of "Google & location" data tracking:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/4H5qiY.png
>
> Google also allows easy opting out of 3rd-party application tracking:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/zNtJ10.png
>
> Even the Nova launcher allows easy opting out of "error & usage"
> reporting:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/2uAwi5.png
>
> *Clearly people "do" opt out, because these options exist.*

Because there are paranoid eejuts like you around.

> In fact, those screenshots are all from last night on "my"
> phone after I factory reset it, since I do that monthly

Wota terminal fuckwit...

> given I change hundreds of settings a month to see what they do.

And you keep doing that for years ? Wota terminal fuckwit...

> It's clear you don't even understand the question,

Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> or that you have nothing of value to add to the question

Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

> for *anyone* to benefit from.

> This thread is simply asking others if they disable carrier tracking.

And NO ONE said they were that stupid.

Funny that.

Hilarious, actually.

Just another pathetic excuse for a troll, as always.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> Ant wrote

>> How do you clear/delete them? I have so many!

> What platform are you on?

iOS

> If you're on iOS, the platform settings are located at:
> Settings > Privacy > Diagnostics & Usage > Diagnostic & Usage Data

Can't delete them there.

[Rod Speed]

More of your lies with the subject.

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> And if you had a fucking clue about security, you'd be using an iphone
>> anyway, because your personal data is MUCH more secure with those.

> < OT >

More of your bare faced lies.

> It's an entirely *different* topic as to whether an iPhone
> is more or less secure than any other mobile device.

Completely on topic when you are mindlessly trolling about
being able to stop the carrier seeing your personal data that
lists what has happened to your carrier connections etc.

> On that off-topic rant of yours,

More of your bare faced lies/pathetic excuse for a troll.

> it's clear that you are willing to trade
> flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

More of your bare faced lies/pathetic excuse for a troll.

There is no ILLUSION of security, no CARRIER gets to
see any of your personal data on your phone at all.

Even apple doesn’t by default either.

> It's funny that you actually *believe* that iOS is *more secure*

I know it is MUCH more secure for your personal data, thanks.

> than any other non-hardened mobile OS (such as Android).

> And you say "I" don't have a clue.

Neither do you, ever.

> Apparently you missed the entire thread proving that no mobile device on a
> commercial consumer operating system is even remotely close to "secure".

I missed nothing, you pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

> But don't take it from me.
> Read this from March 3, 2016
> Apple iOS vs Google Android: Which is the more secure smartphone OS?
> ANSWER = neither
> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/apple-ios-vs-google-android-which-more-secure-smartphone-os-1547396
> "The Apple operating system is [far] more limited [and only] in theory,

> more secure...[in fact] for every Stagefright there is a YiSpecter ¡V

> which
> was uncovered by researchers at Palo Alto Networks and found to be
> attacking both jailbroken and non-jailbroken Apple devices. When mixed

> with the aforementioned XCodeGhost ¡V which resulted in malicious code

> in a slew of apps listed on the official iOS app store ...

And those got flushed when found, fuckwit.

> security experts are now arguing that
> both platforms need to step up their game."

Irrelevant to the stupid claim that iOS is no more
secure for your personal data than android.

> Kaspersky says the same thing:
> https://usa.kaspersky.com/internet-security-center/threats/android-vs-iphone-mobile-security
> "Not invulnerable to malware ... Apple products ... don't guarantee
> 100% security and are still vulnerable to malware and hacking."

Irrelevant to the stupid claim that iOS is no more
secure for your personal data than android.

> You are willing to trade flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

It is no illusion, fuckwit. And I have just as much flexibility
in the areas that matter as I have on androids.

> Using an iOS device is like driving a car with the engine bay welded shut.

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should have noticed
that you are free to add any apps from the app store you like.

> Sure, you *feel* safe - but you're just *pointing* the thing.

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

I am in fact changing it as much as I like with apps from the app store.

> And, that *feeling* of safety is merely an illusion that
> anyone with untainted eyes can see right through.

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

> It's patently clear that *you* willingly trade a tremendous loss of
> freedom

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

> for the mere *illusion* of safety;

Even more of a bare faced lie than you usually manage.

> but the question at hand remains simply whether others
> disable the carrier diagnostic software on their cellphones.

That pathetic excuse for a troll was answered hours ago, fuckwit.

No one in here is actually as stupid as you are.

No surprises there.

> < / OT >

[tlvp]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 07:47:11 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> You are on Verizon.

Actually, on Page Plus (a Verizon MVNO).

> I wasn't sure from your response whether you were saying that Verizon
> doesn't bother to *collect* the diagnostic data - or - if you were saying
> that Verizon *does* collect the data - and that you were not able to turn
> that collection off.

I said I could find "no option to turn that" [data collection] "on or off."

I said nothing about whether Verizon does or does not collect -- or
transmit -- diagnostic data, because I have found nothing out either way.

HTH. And please don't try to read more information between my lines than I
explicitly convey in my lines -- it just ain't there :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

[tlvp]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:14:44 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algiers wrote:

> As Savageduck and tlvp found out for Verizon "The IQ Agent software runs in
> the background, and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless
> the implementation includes an on-off switch".

I beg to differ -- not on behalf of Savageduck, of course, who can speak
for himself, but as regards me, tlvp: I've found out absolutely nothing
regarding IQ Agent software in relation to my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2. I
can confirm only that I am unaware of its being present -- but whether
that's because it's in fact *not* present, or because it *is* present but
hiding, I am in no position to know. Glad to be able to clarify the record.

[nospam]

In article <nrv5a0$utg$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > And if you had a fucking clue about security, you'd be using an iphone
> > anyway, because your personal data is MUCH more secure with those.
>
> < OT >
> It's an entirely *different* topic as to whether an iPhone is more or less
> secure than any other mobile device.

same topic.

> On that off-topic rant of yours, it's clear that you are willing to trade
> flexibility for the mere *illusion* of security.

no illusion.

> It's funny that you actually *believe* that iOS is *more secure* than any
> other non-hardened mobile OS (such as Android).

it is

> And you say "I" don't have a clue.

you don't.

> Apparently you missed the entire thread proving that no mobile device on a
> commercial consumer operating system is even remotely close to "secure".

straw man.

nothing is 100%, but ios is without question more secure than android.

> But don't take it from me.

fear not. nobody does.

[Savageduck]

Agreed.
"He of Many Socks" has taken it upon himself to extrapolate what both
of us wrote to something neither of us wrote, or implied. I only
mentioned Verizon because my carrier is Verizon and my iPhones have
been bought from them.
What I said was it was Apple, not Verizon collecting the diagnostic &
usage data, and what the settings options for the automatic sending, or
not of that data to Apple.
I found no reference to Verizon collecting any diagnostic & usage data at all.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:51:00 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> Agreed.
> "He of Many Socks" has taken it upon himself to extrapolate what both
> of us wrote to something neither of us wrote, or implied. I only
> mentioned Verizon because my carrier is Verizon and my iPhones have
> been bought from them.
> What I said was it was Apple, not Verizon collecting the diagnostic &
> usage data, and what the settings options for the automatic sending, or
> not of that data to Apple.
> I found no reference to Verizon collecting any diagnostic & usage data at all.

Both of you seem to have jumped to conclusions that "I" never jumped to.
What I said was "The IQ Agent software runs in the background, and the user

is not usually aware of its presence unless the implementation includes an
on-off switch".

I *literally* said that. Verbatim. It's a verbatim quote from one of the
references. It is a fact.

You and tlvp can *assume* I said something else, but that's *exactly* what
I said.

I also said you and tlvp "found this out", which was wrong. So *that* part
of my statement is incorrect. You found nothing out, other than you and he
found nothing about Verizon collecting or not collecting the data.

So you are welcome to repeat that you found nothing out, and you're welcome
to call out my mistake of thinking you found something out, but the actual
thing that I said is 100% verifiably true.

You just didn't know it and I *though* you had figured it out - but you
hadn't, and *that* was my only mistake, which I accept. This is Usenet,
after all, and we don't vette our writing like we do our research papers,
but at least *what* I said was 100% a fact which is...

"The IQ Agent software runs in the background, and the user is not usually
aware of its presence unless the implementation includes an on-off switch"

In "my" case, T-Mobile included the on/off switch.
Whether or not Verizon (or their resellers) included the on/off switch or
even whether or not they included the software, you don't know.

Anyone on Android could figure it out in a second though...just as I did.

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:58:50 -0400, tlvp wrote:

> I beg to differ -- not on behalf of Savageduck, of course, who can speak
> for himself, but as regards me, tlvp: I've found out absolutely nothing
> regarding IQ Agent software in relation to my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2. I
> can confirm only that I am unaware of its being present -- but whether
> that's because it's in fact *not* present, or because it *is* present but
> hiding, I am in no position to know. Glad to be able to clarify the record.

There is an *easy* way to tell, on Android because there is a free app
which will tell you if you have it or not on your system.

I used this app, which said Carrier IQ existed at some point:
CarrierIQ Scanner & Protection by Lookout Labs
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lookout.carrieriqdetector

A search shows other apps exist:
Bitdefender Carrier IQ Finder, by Bitdefender
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitdefender.ciqfinder

Carrier IQ Scanner by Trend Micro
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trendmicro.mobilelab.securetool.ciq

Carrier IQ Red Pill by Sense8
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.sense8.android.ciqRedPill

I stopped there as that's enough, since all the program does is give a
yes/no answer.

It would be interesting to see how many folks have carrier IQ running.
And, to the point of this thread, how many of you disable it like I did.

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:50:01 -0400, tlvp wrote:

> I said I could find "no option to turn that" [data collection] "on or off."
>
> I said nothing about whether Verizon does or does not collect -- or
> transmit -- diagnostic data, because I have found nothing out either way.

Drat. In that case, it tells us absolutely nothing, other than the *option*
doesn't seem to exist, but it doesn't tell us whether the data collection
exists or not.

Thanks.
At least on "my" phone, I can turn it off easily.
In fact, it's easy to turn off almost all the data collection that is going
on.

[Horace Algiers]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:51:00 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> "He of Many Socks"

You say that implying some sort of insinsinserity which doesn't exist.
You *know* who I am, I don't hide it.
(If I wanted to, I could, but that's not the *purpose*.)

*Nospam even knows where I _live_, for heaven's sake.*

In fact, you know more about me than I know about you, simply because I put
it in my threads.

However, while you are perhaps of one sock, I change my nym periodically
expressly to foil mass aggregators.

So, you use the coffee-shop model of Usenet, while I use the FAQ-model of
USenet.

That is, you apparently feel that one nym gains a personality that is
shared among threads, where I feel that a thread stands alone in and of
itself.

So, in "my" threads, there is always enough information to answer the
question, and that's usually a *lot* of information!

In your model, you it up threads willy nilly, whereas I don't do that.
Almost 99% of my posts are in threads that "I authored, whereas you're
quite the opposite. Almost 99% of your posts are in threads someone else
authored.

So, you use a totally *different* model, and that's fine.
But I don't deprecate your model because I don't understand it.
You deprecate mine, only because you don't understand it.

Think about that.

[nospam]

In article <ns1n9d$s61$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > "He of Many Socks"
>
> You say that implying some sort of insinsinserity which doesn't exist.

it exists.

> You *know* who I am, I don't hide it.
> (If I wanted to, I could, but that's not the *purpose*.)

you're not smart enough to hide it.

> *Nospam even knows where I _live_, for heaven's sake.*

no i don't.

i have a rough idea where but not an exact address.

[Savageduck]

On 2016-09-22 22:51:31 +0000, Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> said:

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:51:00 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> "He of Many Socks"
>
> You say that implying some sort of insinsinserity which doesn't exist.
> You *know* who I am, I don't hide it.
> (If I wanted to, I could, but that's not the *purpose*.)

I know who/what you try to present yourself as, but not who you are.

Your posts ooze obsequious insincerity.

> *Nospam even knows where I _live_, for heaven's sake.*

All I know is, you live in the hills above San Jose, that much you have
told us. However, that declaration of yours has as much validity as any
statement of mine regarding my location in San Luis Obispo County, near
Lake Nacimiento.

> In fact, you know more about me than I know about you, simply because I put
> it in my threads.

There are details of your character which are easily diagnosed. As for
me, I have revealed some of my personal life, education and employment
history in several NGs. A number of individuals in some NGs know all
the details of my identity and my real name, as well as my reasons for
maintaining a single nym.

> However, while you are perhaps of one sock, I change my nym periodically
> expressly to foil mass aggregators.

Strange, in all the time I have used my one "sock" it has never made me
vulnerable to an aggregating/harvesting bot.

> So, you use the coffee-shop model of Usenet, while I use the FAQ-model of
> USenet.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

> That is, you apparently feel that one nym gains a personality that is
> shared among threads, where I feel that a thread stands alone in and of
> itself.

Pick a nym and stick to it. I don't believe that any of us care to play
your particular game.

> So, in "my" threads, there is always enough information to answer the
> question, and that's usually a *lot* of information!

However, most of your threads live in a world of your agenda.

> In your model, you it up threads willy nilly, whereas I don't do that.
> Almost 99% of my posts are in threads that "I authored, whereas you're
> quite the opposite. Almost 99% of your posts are in threads someone else
> authored.

In this NG perhaps.

> So, you use a totally *different* model, and that's fine.
> But I don't deprecate your model because I don't understand it.
> You deprecate mine, only because you don't understand it.

I believe I understand the mentality behind your "model" quite well.

> Think about that.

I have no reason to waste a moment on that futile exercise.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Horace Algiers]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:54:52 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> You say that implying some sort of insinsinserity which doesn't exist.
>
> it exists.
>
>> You *know* who I am, I don't hide it.
>> (If I wanted to, I could, but that's not the *purpose*.)
>
> you're not smart enough to hide it.
>
>> *Nospam even knows where I _live_, for heaven's sake.*
>
> no i don't.
>
> i have a rough idea where but not an exact address.

Would you agree that your posts are 99% in threads that other people
authoried, while mine are 99% in threads that "I" authored?

Yes or No?


Would you also agree that I don't even try to *hide* who I am with respect
to *details* that are necessary for a thread? Hell, you know the make and
model and operating system of *all* my active phones for heaven's sake. You
know where I live to an astounding accuracy given the vagaries of Usenet.
You know my philosophy on price:performance. You know even what my desktop
looks like for heaven's sake!

Psssst... here's my new desktop, after that last factory reset:
(I'll bet you *hate* it on sight - because you *can't* do that!)
http://i.cubeupload.com/AUStI2.png

My *only* reason for changing nyms, is to avoid mass aggregation.
I use Usenet *differently* than you do.
I use it to get *answers* to questions; I call that the FAQ model.
I don't use it in the coffee-shop model, which is a daily conversation.

Hence, I mainly respond to *facts* and most of the time, that works
perfectly on all other newsgroups but the Apple newsgroups. That's becuase
the Apple newsgroup users are *quite different* from normal Usenet users.

For example, I say we can *easily* turn off Google location services and
all our non-Google appls still "just work"...
http://i.cubeupload.com/vSylsF.png

You believe the Apple MARKETING that implies otherwise.
Yet, the fact is, the non-Google apps work just fine without Google
Location Services:
http://i.cubeupload.com/lw1GV8.png

You say I can't *wipe out* the AdID, yet, it's totally gone simply by
deleting your Google Play account. You have that option any time you want
to use it (Try that with iOS!).

Take Rod Speed for example. He constantly swears and calls people names
like a fifth grader out of sight of his parents - he gets so emotionally
involved - and you'll notice I just tell him it's merely that he calls a
lie any *fact* he doesn't like - then I just let him rant.

I let you rant too, when you get into that mode - but you don't rant
kookiness as much as he does. You just rant MARKETING.

[nospam]

In article <ns1pc1$uec$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

> Psssst... here's my new desktop, after that last factory reset:
> (I'll bet you *hate* it on sight - because you *can't* do that!)
> http://i.cubeupload.com/AUStI2.png

first of all it's not a desktop and second, nobody but you gives a
flying fuck how your apps are arranged.

while you're getting your thrills rearranging icons in geometric
patterns thinking that somehow that makes android more advanced, ios
users are doing all sorts of things that you can't do, let alone even
begin to imagine as being possible.

[Rod Speed]

"Horace Algiers" <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote in message
news:ns1pc1$uec$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 18:54:52 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>>> You say that implying some sort of insinsinserity which doesn't exist.
>>
>> it exists.
>>
>>> You *know* who I am, I don't hide it.
>>> (If I wanted to, I could, but that's not the *purpose*.)
>>
>> you're not smart enough to hide it.
>>
>>> *Nospam even knows where I _live_, for heaven's sake.*
>>
>> no i don't.
>>
>> i have a rough idea where but not an exact address.

> Would you agree that your posts are 99%
> in threads that other people authoried,

Yes, because he's not a pathetic excuse for a troll.

> while mine are 99% in threads that "I" authored?

Yes, because you are a pathetic excuse for a troll.

> Yes or No?

> Would you also agree that I don't even try to *hide* who I am with respect
> to *details* that are necessary for a thread? Hell, you know the make and
> model and operating system of *all* my active phones for heaven's sake.
> You know where I live to an astounding accuracy given the vagaries of
> Usenet. You know my philosophy on price:performance. You know even
> what my desktop looks like for heaven's sake!

And we all know that you are a pathological liar and a pathetic excuse for a
troll.

> Psssst... here's my new desktop, after that last factory reset:
> (I'll bet you *hate* it on sight - because you *can't* do that!)

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.

> http://i.cubeupload.com/AUStI2.png

> My *only* reason for changing nyms, is to avoid mass aggregation.

It does no such thing given that its so easy to work out what
is just another pathetic excuse for a troll from the content.

> I use Usenet *differently* than you do.

Yep, you're just a pathetic excuse for a troll.

> I use it to get *answers* to questions;

You use it to troll.

> I call that the FAQ model.

Whereas in fact its just the TROLL model.

> I don't use it in the coffee-shop model, which is a daily conversation.

> Hence, I mainly respond to *facts*

You in fact lie thru your fucking teeth.

> and most of the time, that works perfectly on all
> other newsgroups but the Apple newsgroups.

More of your bare faced lies.

> That's becuase the Apple newsgroup users are
> *quite different* from normal Usenet users.

More of your bare faced lies.

> For example, I say we can *easily* turn off Google location
> services and all our non-Google appls still "just work"...
> http://i.cubeupload.com/vSylsF.png

There are no google location services on iOS devices.

> You believe the Apple MARKETING that implies otherwise.

More of your bare faced lies.

> Yet, the fact is, the non-Google apps work
> just fine without Google Location Services:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/lw1GV8.png

There are no google location services on iOS devices.

> You say I can't *wipe out* the AdID, yet, it's totally
> gone simply by deleting your Google Play account.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

It isnt in fact gone at all.

> You have that option any time you want to use it (Try that with iOS!).

Trivially easy to do with iOS.

> Take Rod Speed for example. He constantly swears

More of your bare faced lies.

> and calls people names

More of your bare faced lies.

> like a fifth grader out of sight of his parents

More of your bare faced lies.

> - he gets so emotionally involved

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed psychotic fantasys.

> - and you'll notice I just tell him it's merely
> that he calls a lie any *fact* he doesn't like

More of your bare faced lies.

> - then I just let him rant.

More of your bare faced lies.

> I let you rant too, when you get into that mode

More of your bare faced lies.

> - but you don't rant kookiness as much as he does.

More of your bare faced lies.

> You just rant MARKETING.

More of your bare faced lies.

No marketing whatever of his above, you silly little pathological liar.

[Horace Algiers]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:37:23 -0400, nospam wrote:

> ios
> users are doing all sorts of things that you can't do, let alone even
> begin to imagine as being possible.

You are allowed to keep thinking that, but there is an entire thread which
shows the truth...

[Horace Algiers]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:37:23 -0400, nospam wrote:

> while you're getting your thrills rearranging icons in geometric
> patterns thinking that somehow that makes android more advanced,

It isn't so much that Android is far more advanced than iOS is, but that
iOS is supremely *limited* in what it can do.

Heck. You can't even *arrange* icons any way you want.

The iOS limitations are *everywhere*.

You can't even automatically record phone calls, for heaven's sake.
Nor can you torrent a file. WHy not? Becuase Apple limits you.

The iPhone/iPad *hardware* is *capable* of allowing you to do things - it's
just Apple MARKETING who limits what you can do with iOS.

You're so extremely limited, that the *concept* of file redirects (which
exists on *all* other operating systems, isn't available to iOS users - nor
is the concept of setting the default app - which is, you must agree, on
all other common operating systems other than iOS).

What amazes me isn't so much how extremely *limiting* iOS is, but that you
actually derive *pleasure* from those limitations.

It's as if you actually enjoy "pointing" a car who has the engine bay
welded shut, so that you can't tweak anything - and which also has the
trunk welded shut - so that you can't even put things where you might want
to put them.

[Rod Speed]

"Horace Algiers" <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote in message

news:ns1t2u$1295$2...@gioia.aioe.org...

Yep, that he is spot on about that, you silly little pathological
with all or airdrop, handoff, continuity, etc etc etc.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com>
wrote just the usual pathetic excuse for a troll.

[nospam]

In article <ns1vbq$14mm$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > while you're getting your thrills rearranging icons in geometric
> > patterns thinking that somehow that makes android more advanced,
>
> It isn't so much that Android is far more advanced than iOS is, but that
> iOS is supremely *limited* in what it can do.

no

[FPP]

On 2016-09-22 21:09:15 -0400, Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> said:

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 19:37:23 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> while you're getting your thrills rearranging icons in geometric
>> patterns thinking that somehow that makes android more advanced,
>
> It isn't so much that Android is far more advanced than iOS is, but that
> iOS is supremely *limited* in what it can do.

Absolutely!

I mean, if I want to start my house on fire, I need to do it the old
fashioned way, and not with my cellphone.

Ditto my car.
--
I haven't spoken to my wife in years. I didn't want to interrupt her.
-Dangerfield

[tlvp]

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 22:43:37 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algiers wrote:

>> ... regarding IQ Agent software in relation to my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2. I

>> can confirm only that I am unaware of its being present -- but whether
>> that's because it's in fact *not* present, or because it *is* present but
>> hiding, I am in no position to know. Glad to be able to clarify the record.
>
> There is an *easy* way to tell, on Android because there is a free app

> which will tell you if you have it or not on your system ...
:: ... [followed by a short list of such apps, presumably t be found in the
:: Google Play Store or Google App Store or the like] ...

None of those apps is on my system, as the store(s) won't recognize my
antique 2.3.5 as worthy of being allowed to get apk files for installation.
So I really *am* "in no position to know." HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp

[Horace Algiers]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 00:20:28 -0400, tlvp wrote:

> None of those apps is on my system, as the store(s) won't recognize my
> antique 2.3.5 as worthy of being allowed to get apk files for installation.
> So I really *am* "in no position to know."

Ah, that's interesting. Gingerbread.

I have a similar problem with iOS 7.1.1 on one of my iPads.
I updated one of the iPads to 9.whatever but the kids deplored the move
(youtube now gives *multiple* ads, they say, in their videos!).

The same youtube link on the older operating system (which we kept on 7.1.1
because Apple kept breaking stuff with each new sub release) has only one
advertisement per video.

And, on Android, there are *never* any advertisements on youtube videos
(but Android has so many options that it isn't even fair to compare to iOS
when it comes to playing and downloading youtube data, particularly just
stripping out the audio data - which is absolutely miserable on iOS and
trivial to do on Andriod - like most things iOS versus Android).

[Horace Algiers]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 00:15:41 -0400, FPP wrote:

> if I want to start my house on fire, I need to do it the old
> fashioned way, and not with my cellphone.

You certainly belong to the club, along with nospam and Rod Speed, of those
who constantly spew forth purposefully unhelpful responses.

[Graham Murray]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> writes:

> And, on Android, there are *never* any advertisements on youtube videos
> (but Android has so many options that it isn't even fair to compare to iOS
> when it comes to playing and downloading youtube data, particularly just
> stripping out the audio data - which is absolutely miserable on iOS and
> trivial to do on Andriod - like most things iOS versus Android).

My experience is otherwise. Using the Android YouTube app (version
11.35.60) I often get adverts before videos.

[nospam]

In article <ns3k17$1n3c$3...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> And, on Android, there are *never* any advertisements on youtube videos

wrong

[Horace Algiers]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:04:59 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> And, on Android, there are *never* any advertisements on youtube videos
>
> wrong

See the above request for a URL that someone says gives *them* ads, and I
will check it on the updated iPad (which I can't get back to a known good
OS which is a huge limitation of iOS).

I will then check it on the iPad with the older more stable operating
system. And on two or three programs on Android.

If you don't provide a URL, then you're just being unhelpfully coy, as
usual, since it would only prove that you know you're wrong (as usual).

[Horace Algiers]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:04:44 +0100, Graham Murray wrote:

> My experience is otherwise. Using the Android YouTube app (version
> 11.35.60) I often get adverts before videos.

I haven't ever seen ad ad on youtube on Android, and especially with New
Pipe (which is a Youtube Red freeware replacement) on Android.

Would you kindly list a URL that you say gives you ads, and I will try that
URL on the two iPads and my Android phone and let you know if any ads
arise, and how many.

Thanks in advance.

[Horace Algiers]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:04:44 +0100, Graham Murray wrote:

> My experience is otherwise. Using the Android YouTube app (version
> 11.35.60) I often get adverts before videos.

I don't get *any* advertisements ever with Android.
I also use new pipe, which is a free youtube red replacement.
Neither the youtube app nor newpipe ever get ads.
Dunno why.
THey just don't.

But "my" versions are all old as I never update unless I'm forced to.
And even then, if I can use the older software, that's what I use.

[nospam]

In article <ns4ats$s1q$4...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> > My experience is otherwise. Using the Android YouTube app (version
> > 11.35.60) I often get adverts before videos.
>
> I don't get *any* advertisements ever with Android.

bullshit.

[Horace Algiers]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:40:14 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> I don't get *any* advertisements ever with Android.
>
> bullshit.

While you *fear* facts, I'm not afraid of facts.

Maybe it's what I watch, which is mostly documentaries, but, I sometimes
use the iPads when the kids aren't playing with them (as they're great for
playing games).

You have zero credibility in anything you say, simply becuase you have been
wrong so many times and you never back up what you say, that nobody can
believe you.

Me?

Give me a URL that you say shows ads for you.

I'll test it on the iPads (each of which is on a different iOS version) and
I'll test it on three different apps on Android.

If you can't even do something as simple as that, then you're just being
coyishly unhelpful, yet again - and wrong (as you almost always are).

[nospam]

In article <ns4bdp$sm2$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers

<hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:

>
> >> I don't get *any* advertisements ever with Android.
> >
> > bullshit.
>
> While you *fear* facts, I'm not afraid of facts.

too bad you don't have any.

if there are supposedly no ads on android, then why are there so many
ad *blockers* available on the play store?? what do you think they're
blocking?

ads are so critical to the google and android business model that
google has even removed certain ad blockers from the play store. so
much for 'freedom'.

<http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10905672/google-samsung-adblock-fast-a
ndroid-ad-blocker-removal>
Google removes Samsung's first Android ad blocker from the Play Store
For violating developer guidelines

[Horace Algiers]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:55:51 -0400, nospam wrote:

> too bad you don't have any.
>
> if there are supposedly no ads on android, then why are there so many
> ad *blockers* available on the play store?? what do you think they're
> blocking?
>
> ads are so critical to the google and android business model that
> google has even removed certain ad blockers from the play store. so
> much for 'freedom'.
>
> <http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10905672/google-samsung-adblock-fast-a
> ndroid-ad-blocker-removal>
> Google removes Samsung's first Android ad blocker from the Play Store
> For violating developer guidelines

I'll repeat that you fear facts.
Simply give me a youtube video that you say plays one or more ads.

I'll test that youtube video on:
a. My iPad with the youtube app recently updated
b. My iPad with the older youtube app still working
c. My Android phone with whatever version of Youtube is in my archived APK
d. My Android phone with NewPipe of whatever version I'm using

And, maybe:
e. Safari on both iPads
f. Firefox on Android

No sense me choosing the video since I never see the ads, so, you have to
choose a video where *you* see an ad.

It's an extremely simple request.
Why you haven't honored that trivially simple request is *fear*.

You *fear* facts.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-09-23, Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:55:51 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> too bad you don't have any.
>>
>> if there are supposedly no ads on android, then why are there so many
>> ad *blockers* available on the play store?? what do you think they're
>> blocking?
>>
>> ads are so critical to the google and android business model that
>> google has even removed certain ad blockers from the play store. so
>> much for 'freedom'.
>>
>> <http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10905672/google-samsung-adblock-fast-a
>> ndroid-ad-blocker-removal>
>> Google removes Samsung's first Android ad blocker from the Play Store
>> For violating developer guidelines
>
> I'll repeat

Because that's the only thing you can do: repeat yourself. You're
pathetic.

> You *fear* facts.

Pure projection. You're a useless loser troll.

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JR

[Horace Algiers]

On 24 Sep 2016 00:06:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Pure projection. You're a useless loser troll.

Says the guy known around here as the Jolly Troll.

Why don't *you* supply a Youtube video URL that *you* says shows ads.

I'll test it.

Of course, you won't supply a simple URL because you are simply trolling,
as always.

a. You never add value
b. You accuse everyone else of being a troll
c. Yet, your posts are never on topic and never add value

That's why you are known as the Jolly Troll.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-09-24, Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2016 00:06:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Pure projection. You're a useless loser troll.
>
> Says the guy known around here as the Jolly Troll.

Where "around here" means "in my desperate delusional world". Troll on,
loser. That's all you have ever been in these news groups. You're a
pathetic old man with control freak tendencies and blind hatred for
things you refuse to understand. You lie and weasel during otherwise
civil and fair debate for some delusional gain - all while the rest of
the world sees right through your silly childish games. You'll die
lonelier than most with only yourself to blame unless you change your
ways.

[Horace Algiers]

On 24 Sep 2016 01:09:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You'll die
> lonelier than most with only yourself to blame

heh heh ... have you *ever* posted an on-topic comment?

[Rod Speed]

"Horace Algiers" <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote in message

news:ns4ato$s1q$2...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:04:44 +0100, Graham Murray wrote:
>
>> My experience is otherwise. Using the Android YouTube app (version
>> 11.35.60) I often get adverts before videos.
>
> I haven't ever seen ad ad on youtube on Android, and especially with New
> Pipe (which is a Youtube Red freeware replacement) on Android.

> Would you kindly list a URL that you say gives you ads,

youtube appears to vary the ads it gives you based on
something unspecified, so it isnt the url that matters.

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> Jolly Roger wrote

>> Pure projection. You're a useless loser troll.

> Says the guy known around here as the Jolly Troll.

Only by the pathological lying troll, the one you see when you look in the
mirror.

[FPP]

That charge is a bit ironic, isn't it now?
--
Am I getting older... or is the Supermarket just playing *great* music?

[Horace Algiers]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:01:21 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> Only by the pathological lying troll, the one you see when you look in the
> mirror.

You really do need new material.
What you call "lying trolls" are simply facts you don't like.

[Horace Algiers]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:55:43 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> youtube appears to vary the ads it gives you based on
> something unspecified, so it isnt the url that matters.

Ah, that's why I don't put you in my killfile.
You (and nospam) actually are intelligent.
So, you *have* value.

You're just too emotional to provide it, most of the time.
When you're not emotional, you're actually reasonable.

I agree with you that youtube seems to do *something* that nobody yet seems
to completely understand to *deliver* those ads.

Witness the technical thread on that topic alone:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/asxS4y6JA1Y

From: Horace Algier <hor...@horatio.net>
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.mobile.android
Subject: What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms
have ads and some don't?
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 00:59:13 -0000 (UTC)

What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads
and some don't?

I have multiple platforms and multiple ways of playing youtube
videos, but, I've noticed some platforms and some apps nearly always
play an initial skippable ad, while others *never* play ads.

What is it that determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms
have ads and some don't?

[Horace Algiers]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:55:43 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> youtube appears to vary the ads it gives you based on
> something unspecified, so it isnt the url that matters.

[Rod Speed]

"Horace Algiers" <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote in message

news:ns69pa$1g9u$7...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:01:21 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Only by the pathological lying troll, the one you see when you look in
>> the
>> mirror.
>
> You really do need new material.

You don’t qualify...

> What you call "lying trolls" are simply facts you don't like.

We all swooned at that new material of yours...

[Rod Speed]

Horace Algiers <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> youtube appears to vary the ads it gives you based on
>> something unspecified, so it isnt the url that matters.

> Ah, that's why I don't put you in my killfile.
> You (and nospam) actually are intelligent.
> So, you *have* value.

You never do.

> You're just too emotional to provide it, most of the time.
> When you're not emotional, you're actually reasonable.

Just another of your pathetic little drug
crazed pig ignorant psychotic fantasys.

> I agree with you that youtube seems to do *something* that nobody
> yet seems to completely understand to *deliver* those ads.

Bet its perfectly possible to work out what it does,
I just haven't bothered coz I couldn’t care less.

> Witness the technical thread on that topic alone:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/asxS4y6JA1Y
>
> From: Horace Algier <hor...@horatio.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.mobile.android
> Subject: What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms
> have ads and some don't?
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 00:59:13 -0000 (UTC)
>
> What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads
> and some don't?
>
> I have multiple platforms and multiple ways of playing youtube
> videos, but, I've noticed some platforms and some apps nearly always
> play an initial skippable ad, while others *never* play ads.
>
> What is it that determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms
> have ads and some don't?

I couldn’t care less.

[tlvp]

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:39:49 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> ... fantasys ...

That's a Fanta-guzzling SysAdmin, dontcha know :-) ? Cheers, -- tlvp

[Horace Algiers]

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:39:49 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

>> You're just too emotional to provide it, most of the time.
>> When you're not emotional, you're actually reasonable.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug
> crazed pig ignorant psychotic fantasys.

Heh heh ... thanks for proving my point.

[Rod Speed]

"tlvp" <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote in message
news:pxbbwhgsbfsz.3tzvjmfr31xs$.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:39:49 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> ... fantasys ...
>
> That's a Fanta-guzzling SysAdmin, dontcha know :-) ?

Down, frog.

[Rod Speed]

"Horace Algiers" <hor...@horacealgiers.com> wrote in message

news:ns6tlf$hj6$2...@gioia.aioe.org...

Not a shred of emotion involved at all, you
pathetic excuse for a pathological lying troll.

[Kerr Mudd-John]

You are both xposting provocateurs.
FU set

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