Two questions about emailing videos

Patty Winter

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Sep 24, 2016, 10:47:32 PM9/24/16

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Yesterday I took a short video of my cat with my iPhone and sent it
to two friends. Or at least, I thought I sent it. Tonight I happened
to have the iPhone on and saw two messages in Mail. (My iPhone email
is not my usual email account.) I read them, then noticed that there
was an unsent message. I looked, and it was the mail from yesterday.

I discovered that the video was too large, so Apple Mail hadn't sent
it. I went into Photos and shortened the video a bit, then created a
new email message and sent the new video. This time it went out, but
quickly bounced from both recipients' ISPs.

My questions:

1. Is there any way to know that a message hasn't been sent other
than remembering to check Mail? I'm guessing that after Photos handed
off the video to Mail, Photos didn't know there was a delivery problem,
so that's why it didn't say anything.

2. Is there any way to reduce the size of a video while preparing it
for sending, as there is with photos? I mean from within Mail, not
reducing it by editing frames out within Photos. I would happily reduce
the resolution of this video if it will help me get it delivered once
and for all.

Patty

Jolly Roger

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Sep 24, 2016, 10:56:07 PM9/24/16

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On 2016-09-25, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
> Yesterday I took a short video of my cat with my iPhone and sent it
> to two friends. Or at least, I thought I sent it. Tonight I happened
> to have the iPhone on and saw two messages in Mail. (My iPhone email
> is not my usual email account.) I read them, then noticed that there
> was an unsent message. I looked, and it was the mail from yesterday.
>
> I discovered that the video was too large, so Apple Mail hadn't sent
> it. I went into Photos and shortened the video a bit, then created a
> new email message and sent the new video. This time it went out, but
> quickly bounced from both recipients' ISPs.
>
> My questions:
>
> 1. Is there any way to know that a message hasn't been sent other
> than remembering to check Mail? I'm guessing that after Photos handed
> off the video to Mail, Photos didn't know there was a delivery problem,
> so that's why it didn't say anything.

Right. That happens because Mail actually sends the message in the
background.

> 2. Is there any way to reduce the size of a video while preparing it
> for sending, as there is with photos? I mean from within Mail, not
> reducing it by editing frames out within Photos. I would happily reduce
> the resolution of this video if it will help me get it delivered once
> and for all.

There may be an app for that.

You could also upload it to the web and send them a URL to it.

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Lewis

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Sep 25, 2016, 1:41:41 AM9/25/16

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Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
> Yesterday I took a short video of my cat with my iPhone and sent it
> to two friends. Or at least, I thought I sent it. Tonight I happened
> to have the iPhone on and saw two messages in Mail. (My iPhone email
> is not my usual email account.) I read them, then noticed that there
> was an unsent message. I looked, and it was the mail from yesterday.

Email is not the proper medium to send video content, and nearly all
ISPs have a limit on email of about 20-25MB.

> 1. Is there any way to know that a message hasn't been sent other
> than remembering to check Mail?

With normal emails the bounce will happen very quickly. In your case,
the email was so large it had to be uploaded and then it bounced, so
that delay is all from the size of the file you are trying to send.

> I'm guessing that after Photos handed off the video to Mail, Photos
> didn't know there was a delivery problem,

No, Photos does not have any idea and has no access to your mail.

> 2. Is there any way to reduce the size of a video while preparing it
> for sending,

You are unlikely to be able to send more than a very few seconds of video
via email.

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Chris

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Sep 25, 2016, 7:25:51 AM9/25/16

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Like others have said, email is not the best medium for sharing videos.
From within photos try 'icloud photo sharing'
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202786

Alan Browne

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Sep 25, 2016, 8:25:38 AM9/25/16

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On 2016-09-24 22:47, Patty Winter wrote:
> Yesterday I took a short video of my cat with my iPhone and sent it
> to two friends. Or at least, I thought I sent it. Tonight I happened
> to have the iPhone on and saw two messages in Mail. (My iPhone email
> is not my usual email account.) I read them, then noticed that there
> was an unsent message. I looked, and it was the mail from yesterday.
>
> I discovered that the video was too large, so Apple Mail hadn't sent
> it. I went into Photos and shortened the video a bit, then created a
> new email message and sent the new video. This time it went out, but
> quickly bounced from both recipients' ISPs.
>
> My questions:
>
> 1. Is there any way to know that a message hasn't been sent other
> than remembering to check Mail? I'm guessing that after Photos handed
> off the video to Mail, Photos didn't know there was a delivery problem,
> so that's why it didn't say anything.

W/o answering that ...

I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
automagically send the link and not the video itself. If the other
party isn't using Apple Mail, then they receive the link and can DL from
that link.

Anyone?

Alternately, I would look at uploading your vid to Dropbox and sending
that link. (Or Google Drive or whatever MS provide, etc.).

> 2. Is there any way to reduce the size of a video while preparing it
> for sending, as there is with photos? I mean from within Mail, not
> reducing it by editing frames out within Photos. I would happily reduce
> the resolution of this video if it will help me get it delivered once
> and for all.

Maybe - an app? On a Mac one could handbrake it and reduce the
resolution or quality or both to reduce the file size. It's heavy
lifting, but for a short video, no issue. Check the App Store.

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Lewis

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Sep 25, 2016, 10:12:23 AM9/25/16

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In message <GMudnZyvyfWgX3rK...@giganews.com>

Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-09-24 22:47, Patty Winter wrote:
>> Yesterday I took a short video of my cat with my iPhone and sent it
>> to two friends. Or at least, I thought I sent it. Tonight I happened
>> to have the iPhone on and saw two messages in Mail. (My iPhone email
>> is not my usual email account.) I read them, then noticed that there
>> was an unsent message. I looked, and it was the mail from yesterday.
>>
>> I discovered that the video was too large, so Apple Mail hadn't sent
>> it. I went into Photos and shortened the video a bit, then created a
>> new email message and sent the new video. This time it went out, but
>> quickly bounced from both recipients' ISPs.
>>
>> My questions:
>>
>> 1. Is there any way to know that a message hasn't been sent other
>> than remembering to check Mail? I'm guessing that after Photos handed
>> off the video to Mail, Photos didn't know there was a delivery problem,
>> so that's why it didn't say anything.

> W/o answering that ...

> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
> be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
> automagically send the link and not the video itself.

iOS will do that if you specifically choose to use Mail Drop.

I setup Mail Drop options on OS X, so I don't know how you configure it
or what the requirements are on iOS.

Also, isn't Patty one of those people using very old software versions?
Mail Drop is rather recent (iOS 9, IIRC).

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Davoud

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Sep 25, 2016, 11:51:47 AM9/25/16

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Alan Browne:

> W/o answering that ...
>
> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
> be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
> automagically send the link and not the video itself. If the other
> party isn't using Apple Mail, then they receive the link and can DL from
> that link.
>
> Anyone?

We used to not say this about Apple, but that's the hard way.

> Alternately, I would look at uploading your vid to Dropbox and sending
> that link.

And that's the easy way.

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Savageduck

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Sep 25, 2016, 12:13:22 PM9/25/16

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On 2016-09-25 15:51:46 +0000, Davoud <st...@sky.net> said:

> Alan Browne:
>> W/o answering that ...
>>
>> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
>> be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
>> automagically send the link and not the video itself. If the other
>> party isn't using Apple Mail, then they receive the link and can DL from
>> that link.
>>
>> Anyone?
>
> We used to not say this about Apple, but that's the hard way.
>
>> Alternately, I would look at uploading your vid to Dropbox and sending
>> that link.
>
> And that's the easy way.

The other way is to use "Mail Drop" for attachments up to 5GB.
<https://support.apple.com/kb/ph2629?locale=en_US>
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203093>
<http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/10/17/how-to-use-mail-drop-and-markup-to-send-large-emails-in-os-x-yosemite>
<http://osxdaily.com/2016/01/20/use-mail-drop-ios-send-large-files/>
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Regards,

Savageduck

Alan Browne

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Sep 25, 2016, 1:02:55 PM9/25/16

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On 2016-09-25 12:13, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2016-09-25 15:51:46 +0000, Davoud <st...@sky.net> said:
>
>> Alan Browne:
>>> W/o answering that ...
>>>
>>> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
>>> be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
>>> automagically send the link and not the video itself. If the other
>>> party isn't using Apple Mail, then they receive the link and can DL from
>>> that link.
>>>
>>> Anyone?
>>
>> We used to not say this about Apple, but that's the hard way.
>>
>>> Alternately, I would look at uploading your vid to Dropbox and sending
>>> that link.
>>
>> And that's the easy way.
>
> The other way is to use "Mail Drop" for attachments up to 5GB.

> <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/10/17/how-to-use-mail-drop-and-markup-to-send-large-emails-in-os-x-yosemite>

Which is essentially what I meant - what's not clear is the degree to
which iOS supports that function.

Patty Winter

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Sep 25, 2016, 2:09:28 PM9/25/16

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I'm only quoting Alan and Lewis's messages but have also read the
others, thank you.

In article <slrnnufmq6....@snow.local>,

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <GMudnZyvyfWgX3rK...@giganews.com>
> Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
>> be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
>> automagically send the link and not the video itself.
>
>iOS will do that if you specifically choose to use Mail Drop.
>
>I setup Mail Drop options on OS X, so I don't know how you configure it
>or what the requirements are on iOS.

Looks like I can do that but I have to have "iCloud Mail" set up first.
I'll investigate that. Meanwhile, as a couple of people mentioned,
the video had been uploaded to iCloud, so I used iCloud Photo Sharing
to copy it into my Public folder. One of the people I wanted to share
the video with is already a subscriber to that folder; I just invited
the other one. I think the existing subscriber will get a message that
I've added something to the folder. We shall see...

>Also, isn't Patty one of those people using very old software versions?
>Mail Drop is rather recent (iOS 9, IIRC).

I was using very old software on my iPod touch, but a friend gave me
her old iPhone 4S a few months ago, so now I'm on iOS 9. From postings
here, I gather that Apple just released iOS 10, but obviously I'm not
eligible for that.

One more question: is there any way to determine the file size of a
video on an iPhone? I haven't found any "Get Info" equivalent yet.

BTW, I'm a decades-long user of email and Usenet, so this whole idea
of sending multi-megabyte files still seems odd to me! So I'm not in
the least upset that some email systems won't accept them. (Or in this
case, that Apple Mail wouldn't even try to send the video until I
shortened it.) Just trying to get a handle on the ways to exchange
big files from my iPhone.

Patty

Rod Speed

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Sep 25, 2016, 3:10:49 PM9/25/16

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"Chris" <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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But is one of the simplest approaches for those who don’t do it much.

> From within photos try 'icloud photo sharing'
> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202786

I actually had the phone offer that when I emailed a video.
Forget how I initiated the email, certainly from the built in
mail app on the iphone, likely I started there since I had
the email address from the web site and it wasn’t already
in my contacts and likely just added the video to the email.
Worked fine, it puts a link in the email and sends the video
to icloud.

Rod Speed

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Sep 25, 2016, 3:11:26 PM9/25/16

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"Alan Browne" <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> On 2016-09-24 22:47, Patty Winter wrote:
>> Yesterday I took a short video of my cat with my iPhone and sent it
>> to two friends. Or at least, I thought I sent it. Tonight I happened
>> to have the iPhone on and saw two messages in Mail. (My iPhone email
>> is not my usual email account.) I read them, then noticed that there
>> was an unsent message. I looked, and it was the mail from yesterday.
>>
>> I discovered that the video was too large, so Apple Mail hadn't sent
>> it. I went into Photos and shortened the video a bit, then created a
>> new email message and sent the new video. This time it went out, but
>> quickly bounced from both recipients' ISPs.
>>
>> My questions:
>>
>> 1. Is there any way to know that a message hasn't been sent other
>> than remembering to check Mail? I'm guessing that after Photos handed
>> off the video to Mail, Photos didn't know there was a delivery problem,
>> so that's why it didn't say anything.
>
> W/o answering that ...
>
> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would be
> automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would automagically
> send the link and not the video itself. If the other party isn't using
> Apple Mail, then they receive the link and can DL from that link.

Not automatically, it offers to do it that way.

> Anyone?
>
> Alternately, I would look at uploading your vid to Dropbox and sending
> that link. (Or Google Drive or whatever MS provide, etc.).

I found that doesn’t work very well, the video doesn’t get uploaded
reliably.
That may be because my DSL upload speed isnt great, currently only about
800Kb, soon to be upgraded to FTTN which should hike that to 5Mb.

With the walk thru videos I produced when doing some walk thrus
when helping the kids buy a house in a town they were hundreds
of miles away from, I found youtube very useful. Just mark them as
private and send them the link.

Rod Speed

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Sep 25, 2016, 3:11:28 PM9/25/16

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"Lewis" <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
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> In message <GMudnZyvyfWgX3rK...@giganews.com>
> Alan Browne <alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-24 22:47, Patty Winter wrote:
>>> Yesterday I took a short video of my cat with my iPhone and sent it
>>> to two friends. Or at least, I thought I sent it. Tonight I happened
>>> to have the iPhone on and saw two messages in Mail. (My iPhone email
>>> is not my usual email account.) I read them, then noticed that there
>>> was an unsent message. I looked, and it was the mail from yesterday.
>>>
>>> I discovered that the video was too large, so Apple Mail hadn't sent
>>> it. I went into Photos and shortened the video a bit, then created a
>>> new email message and sent the new video. This time it went out, but
>>> quickly bounced from both recipients' ISPs.
>>>
>>> My questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Is there any way to know that a message hasn't been sent other
>>> than remembering to check Mail? I'm guessing that after Photos handed
>>> off the video to Mail, Photos didn't know there was a delivery problem,
>>> so that's why it didn't say anything.
>
>> W/o answering that ...
>
>> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
>> be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
>> automagically send the link and not the video itself.
>
> iOS will do that if you specifically choose to use Mail Drop.
>
> I setup Mail Drop options on OS X, so I don't know how you configure it

You don’t need to configure it, it offers to do it that way.

> or what the requirements are on iOS.

Presumably you do need to have an icloud account.

> Also, isn't Patty one of those people using very old software versions?
> Mail Drop is rather recent (iOS 9, IIRC).

I certainly did it with iOS 9

Quert Black

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Sep 25, 2016, 3:27:30 PM9/25/16

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"Davoud" <st...@sky.net> wrote in message
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> Alan Browne:
>> W/o answering that ...
>>
>> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
>> be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
>> automagically send the link and not the video itself. If the other
>> party isn't using Apple Mail, then they receive the link and can DL from
>> that link.
>>
>> Anyone?
>
> We used to not say this about Apple, but that's the hard way.

No its not when you try emailing a video and it offers to do
that for you, you accept that offer and its all done for you.

>> Alternately, I would look at uploading your vid to Dropbox and sending
>> that link.
>
> And that's the easy way.

Accepting the offer is much easier for that level of user.

Savageduck

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Sep 25, 2016, 6:22:44 PM9/25/16

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On 2016-09-25 17:02:49 +0000, Alan Browne

<alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> said:

> On 2016-09-25 12:13, Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2016-09-25 15:51:46 +0000, Davoud <st...@sky.net> said:
>>
>>> Alan Browne:
>>>> W/o answering that ...
>>>>
>>>> I was under the impression that in magic iOS land that the video would
>>>> be automatically uploaded to your iCloud drive and Mail would
>>>> automagically send the link and not the video itself. If the other
>>>> party isn't using Apple Mail, then they receive the link and can DL from
>>>> that link.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone?
>>>
>>> We used to not say this about Apple, but that's the hard way.
>>>
>>>> Alternately, I would look at uploading your vid to Dropbox and sending
>>>> that link.
>>>
>>> And that's the easy way.
>>
>> The other way is to use "Mail Drop" for attachments up to 5GB.
>> <http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/10/17/how-to-use-mail-drop-and-markup-to-send-large-emails-in-os-x-yosemite>

Which
>>
> is essentially what I meant - what's not clear is the degree to which
> iOS supports that function.

It has worked for me from my desktop and my iP6S+. I have sent you a
short iP6S video which should reach you if your email is still as it
was in the days of the SI.
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Savageduck

Alan Browne

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Sep 25, 2016, 6:27:21 PM9/25/16

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It shows as 0 bytes here. No Oscar for you!

Alan Browne

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Sep 25, 2016, 6:36:48 PM9/25/16

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Correction - works.

Davoud

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Sep 25, 2016, 6:54:14 PM9/25/16

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Patty Winter:

> BTW, I'm a decades-long user of email and Usenet, so this whole idea
> of sending multi-megabyte files still seems odd to me!

Yes. In those days of hand-cranked computers there were no
multi-megabyte, much less gigabyte, digital videos to be transferred
across the oceans.

> So I'm not in
> the least upset that some email systems won't accept them. (Or in this
> case, that Apple Mail wouldn't even try to send the video until I
> shortened it.) Just trying to get a handle on the ways to exchange
> big files from my iPhone.

I promise not to say this to you again. Dropbox (or perhaps an
equivalent, but I have experience only with Dropbox) is the absolute
easiest way to make such transfers. You can transfer video from your
iPhone to Dropbox and vice-versa. You get 2GB free of charge. For $99
per year you get 1TB. Drop the file into your Dropbox "Public"
directory. right-click to get a link, and e-mail the link. Here's an
example (just 15MB) that I *guarantee* you will enjoy, or your money
back <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/46350374/Hummer%20Bell.m4v>.

Lewis

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Sep 25, 2016, 8:17:57 PM9/25/16

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Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
> BTW, I'm a decades-long user of email and Usenet, so this whole idea
> of sending multi-megabyte files still seems odd to me! So I'm not in
> the least upset that some email systems won't accept them.

Not "some", nearly<1> none.

<1> nearly only becuase there is a chance some stupid ISP will accept
attachments on the 100MB+ range.

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Patty Winter

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Sep 26, 2016, 10:43:43 AM9/26/16

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In article <250920161854126778%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <a...@bbb.ccc> wrote:
>Patty Winter:

>
>I promise not to say this to you again. Dropbox (or perhaps an
>equivalent, but I have experience only with Dropbox) is the absolute
>easiest way to make such transfers.

Easier than iCloud? There's an iCloud sharing option right in Photos,
so that seems awfully easy to me.

Patty

Patty Winter

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Sep 26, 2016, 10:44:56 AM9/26/16

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In article <slrnnugq9k....@snow.local>,

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <ns93se$5cb$1...@dont-email.me>
> Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>> BTW, I'm a decades-long user of email and Usenet, so this whole idea
>> of sending multi-megabyte files still seems odd to me! So I'm not in
>> the least upset that some email systems won't accept them.
>
>Not "some", nearly<1> none.
>
><1> nearly only becuase there is a chance some stupid ISP will accept
>attachments on the 100MB+ range.

The video I wanted to send was about 25MB. Still really big by my
standards. Does anyone know how to determine the file size of a
video on an iPhone?

Patty

Chris

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Sep 26, 2016, 11:55:26 AM9/26/16

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True, but many email providers strictly limit the size of emails and with
high resolution cameras on phones/tablets/ etc it's quite easy to reach
that limit.

Email is not and never was intended as a medium for sharing files.

Savageduck

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Sep 26, 2016, 12:16:21 PM9/26/16

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Offhand I don't see a simple method for determining file size. I have
found that if you compose the email and tap on "send" the size is
given. Then you have the option to use Mail Drop, or cancel. If your
email address above is good I will send you the same video I sent Alan
Browne from my iPhone. When you receive it, you have to click, or tap
on the attachment icon to download it.
--
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Savageduck

Jolly Roger

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Sep 26, 2016, 1:06:36 PM9/26/16

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Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how to determine the file size of a
> video on an iPhone?

View the video, tap the share icon, share via YouTube, and the size will be
displayed on the next screen:

<https://imgur.com/a/bvw9r>

Then just tap Cancel.

nospam

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Sep 26, 2016, 1:43:49 PM9/26/16

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In article <nsbgd3$n89$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >
> >> Like others have said, email is not the best medium for sharing videos.
> >

> > But is one of the simplest approaches for those who donšt do it much.

>
> True, but many email providers strictly limit the size of emails and with
> high resolution cameras on phones/tablets/ etc it's quite easy to reach
> that limit.
>
> Email is not and never was intended as a medium for sharing files.

things change.

that might have made sense when 1200 baud modems were common but
certainly not now, when typical broadband service is 25-50 megabit,
often more.

Rod Speed

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Sep 26, 2016, 4:04:09 PM9/26/16

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"Chris" <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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But iOS offers to put the video on the icloud and send just the link in the
email and that requires nothing from the user but to accept that offer.

Rod Speed

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Sep 26, 2016, 4:07:25 PM9/26/16

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"Patty Winter" <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote in message
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Most of the Exif apps will show you the file length.

Davoud

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Davoud:

> >I promise not to say this to you again. Dropbox (or perhaps an
> >equivalent, but I have experience only with Dropbox) is the absolute
> >easiest way to make such transfers.

Patty Winter:

> Easier than iCloud? There's an iCloud sharing option right in Photos,
> so that seems awfully easy to me.

Yes, what you said seems awfully easy, especially on your end. I don't
want to risk repeating what I said I wouldn't repeat, but I believe
that the method I touted is easier.

Chris

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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nsbgd3$n89$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> Like others have said, email is not the best medium for sharing videos.
>>>

>>> But is one of the simplest approaches for those who don¹t do it much.

>>
>> True, but many email providers strictly limit the size of emails and with
>> high resolution cameras on phones/tablets/ etc it's quite easy to reach
>> that limit.
>>
>> Email is not and never was intended as a medium for sharing files.
>
> things change.
>
> that might have made sense when 1200 baud modems were common but
> certainly not now, when typical broadband service is 25-50 megabit,
> often more.

Download speed is irrelevant. When *sending* emails, upload is key and
that's 3.7Mbps on average (according to Ofcom stats).

Noticeably slow for medium-large attachments.

Chris

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Sep 26, 2016, 5:59:30 PM9/26/16

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Exactly like I said, but you snipped. Do keep up.

nospam

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In article <nsc5nn$887$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> Email is not and never was intended as a medium for sharing files.
> >
> > things change.
> >
> > that might have made sense when 1200 baud modems were common but
> > certainly not now, when typical broadband service is 25-50 megabit,
> > often more.
>
> Download speed is irrelevant. When *sending* emails, upload is key and
> that's 3.7Mbps on average (according to Ofcom stats).

more than fast enough.

> Noticeably slow for medium-large attachments.

not really, and nobody sits and waits for an *upload*. click send and
it transfers in the background.

the point is that email was designed in an era where modems were common
and nobody could imagine everyone having multi-megabit links. times
have changed, and sending large attachments is not a big deal.

nobody is suggesting sending a 4 gig dvd image via email, but 20 meg or
50 meg is hardly a burden.

Rod Speed

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"Chris" <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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I snipped nothing.

> Do keep up.

Stop lying.

Rod Speed

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"Chris" <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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But any way of sending that file has that limitation too.

Davoud

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Patty Winter:

> The video I wanted to send was about 25MB. Still really big by my
> standards. Does anyone know how to determine the file size of a
> video on an iPhone?

The only way I know is a bit crude--move it to your Mac and measure it
in the Finder. But if you use one of the cloud schemes mentioned
earlier in this thread the size will be less important to you.

Lewis

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Sep 26, 2016, 8:47:28 PM9/26/16

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In message <nsbc8t$61o$2...@dont-email.me>

Keep in mind that a 25MB binary file sent via email must be encoded as
text to be sent, this adds 33% to the size, so your 25MB file was a 33MB
attachment.

And I don't think iOS exposes the file size.

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Lewis

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In message <e4t2sq...@mid.individual.net>

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know how to determine the file size of a
>> video on an iPhone?

> View the video, tap the share icon, share via YouTube, and the size will be
> displayed on the next screen:

Nice!

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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nsbgd3$n89$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

>> >
>> >> Like others have said, email is not the best medium for sharing videos.
>> >

>> > But is one of the simplest approaches for those who don¹t do it much.

>>
>> True, but many email providers strictly limit the size of emails and with
>> high resolution cameras on phones/tablets/ etc it's quite easy to reach
>> that limit.
>>
>> Email is not and never was intended as a medium for sharing files.

> things change.

No, not really.

> that might have made sense when 1200 baud modems were common but
> certainly not now, when typical broadband service is 25-50 megabit,
> often more.

It has nothing to do with the bandwidth, it has to do with how email
works. It is a strictly non-binary protocol, so it is horribly
inefficient with binary files.

There may be worse methods for transferring large files, but I can't
think of any off the top of my head.

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Patty Winter

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In article <2016092609161619397-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>Offhand I don't see a simple method for determining file size. I have
>found that if you compose the email and tap on "send" the size is
>given. Then you have the option to use Mail Drop, or cancel.

I guess the file size only shows up if there's another action available
after you tap Send. In my case, since I don't have Mail Drop set up,
tapping Send goes straight ahead and sends the email.

>If your
>email address above is good I will send you the same video I sent Alan
>Browne from my iPhone. When you receive it, you have to click, or tap
>on the attachment icon to download it.

That worked fine. Do you have to be using the icloud.com email address
as the active mail account in Mail on the iPhone in order for Mail Drop
to work?

BTW, I thought a friend of mine stayed busy keeping three hummingbird
feeders filled. I can't imagine keeping up with eight every day!

Patty

Patty Winter

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Sep 27, 2016, 1:43:40 AM9/27/16

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In article <e4t2sq...@mid.individual.net>,

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know how to determine the file size of a
>> video on an iPhone?
>
>View the video, tap the share icon, share via YouTube, and the size will be
>displayed on the next screen:
>
><https://imgur.com/a/bvw9r>
>
>Then just tap Cancel.

That almost worked, except I was only able to get a quick glance at the
Publish screen before it was covered up by a screen asking me to sign in
to Google. When I closed the login screen, I was sent back to Photos. But
I was briefly able to see the Publish screen.

Oddly, the Publish screen said that my video would only be 6.3MB in HD,
even though the error messages I got yesterday said it was about 25MB.
Does the Publish option automatically scale down videos? If so, then
that doesn't tell me the true size of the video file.

It's odd that Apple doesn't let you choose a file size for videos when
you email them as they do for photos.

Patty

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Sep 27, 2016, 1:47:30 AM9/27/16

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In article <nsd0u1$3el$2...@dont-email.me>, Patty Winter

<pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:

> It's odd that Apple doesn't let you choose a file size for videos when
> you email them as they do for photos.

no it isn't, because resizing a video can be rather time consuming.

Savageduck

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Sep 27, 2016, 1:55:41 AM9/27/16

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On 2016-09-27 05:34:46 +0000, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> said:

>
> In article <2016092609161619397-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>> Offhand I don't see a simple method for determining file size. I have
>> found that if you compose the email and tap on "send" the size is
>> given. Then you have the option to use Mail Drop, or cancel.
>
> I guess the file size only shows up if there's another action available
> after you tap Send. In my case, since I don't have Mail Drop set up,
> tapping Send goes straight ahead and sends the email.
>
>
>> If your
>> email address above is good I will send you the same video I sent Alan
>> Browne from my iPhone. When you receive it, you have to click, or tap
>> on the attachment icon to download it.
>
> That worked fine. Do you have to be using the icloud.com email address
> as the active mail account in Mail on the iPhone in order for Mail Drop
> to work?

I have a bunch of Apple email addresses starting from when I used
iTools way back when; @mac.com, @me.com, and @icloud.com all adopted by
icloud.com and active. I usually use the @mac.com address, and Mail
Drop has to use iCloud to be able to work. The reason why the 5GB limit
is there is that is the minimum iCloud available with the free account.
I pay $0.99/month for an extra 50GB. The file will remain available for
the recipient for 30 days.

The answer to your question is, yes, you need an iCloud account for
Mail Drop to work.

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In article <2016092622553517746-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>On 2016-09-27 05:34:46 +0000, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> said:
>
>> That worked fine. Do you have to be using the icloud.com email address
>> as the active mail account in Mail on the iPhone in order for Mail Drop
>> to work?
>

>The answer to your question is, yes, you need an iCloud account for
>Mail Drop to work.

I understand that you need to *have* an iCloud Mail account. Does it
have to be the *active* email account in the Mail app on the iPhone?

>> BTW, I thought a friend of mine stayed busy keeping three hummingbird
>> feeders filled. I can't imagine keeping up with eight every day!
>
> I go through 30-40 Lbs of sugar/week, but I get some decent photos.
><https://db.tt/69GcZRy9>

Gorgeous! BTW, I've heard there are non-sugar-based options available.
(Oh, and the PBS show "Nature" is doing a special on hummingbirds in
a couple of weeks.)

Patty

Savageduck

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Sep 27, 2016, 12:39:11 PM9/27/16

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On 2016-09-27 16:25:01 +0000, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> said:

>
> In article <2016092622553517746-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-27 05:34:46 +0000, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> said:
>>
>>> That worked fine. Do you have to be using the icloud.com email address
>>> as the active mail account in Mail on the iPhone in order for Mail Drop
>>> to work?
>>
>> The answer to your question is, yes, you need an iCloud account for
>> Mail Drop to work.
>
> I understand that you need to *have* an iCloud Mail account. Does it
> have to be the *active* email account in the Mail app on the iPhone?

It has to be the email account you use when you utilize Mail Drop.

>>> BTW, I thought a friend of mine stayed busy keeping three hummingbird
>>> feeders filled. I can't imagine keeping up with eight every day!
>>
>> I go through 30-40 Lbs of sugar/week, but I get some decent photos.
>> <https://db.tt/69GcZRy9>
>
> Gorgeous! BTW, I've heard there are non-sugar-based options available.
> (Oh, and the PBS show "Nature" is doing a special on hummingbirds in
> a couple of weeks.)
>
>
> Patty

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From some of the other feedback here it is possible that I might have
been wrong. JR says that with macOS, any IMAP accounts can be
configured for Mail Drop. As for Mail Drop with iOS IMAP accounts I do
not have a definitive answer. That said I can't find anything related
to Mail Drop in the iOS Mail settings for iCloud.
I would try to send a Mail Drop test video using your default email account.
If that fails go to an iCloud account in the Mail app and compose a new
email with that and add the attachment.
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Savageduck

Jolly Roger

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Sep 27, 2016, 7:33:57 PM9/27/16

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On 2016-09-27, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>

> In article <e4vmob...@mid.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It has to be the email account you use when you utilize Mail Drop.
>>
>>Are you sure? That's definitely not the case on macOS, where for every IMAP
>>account in Mail there is a setting to enable or disable Mail Drop.
>
> That's interesting. Apple says you have to set up iCloud Mail before
> you can use Mail Drop:
>
> https://support.apple.com/kb/ph2629?locale=en_US

That page (iCloud: Add an attachment to an email) says that to send an
attachment through iCloud mail, you can use Mail Drop; but it doesn't
say iCloud email is *required*, or that Mail Drop *won't* work with
other email services. I also don't see anything to that effect on this
page that outlines Mail Drop limitations:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203093>

If you look in macOS Mail, any IMAP account will have an option to
enable Mail Drop for attachments in the Advanced section of the
settings. I don't see a similar setting in iOS though.

Patty Winter

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In article <2016092716025042217-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>I would try to send a Mail Drop test video using your default email account.

I have no Mail Drop option in the sharing options from Photos. I assume
that that option would magically appear if I create an icloud.com email
account, but I could be wrong.

Patty

Lewis

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Sep 28, 2016, 12:53:20 AM9/28/16

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I sent my youngest son an installer for a windows game he wanted via
MailDrop. I did not send it from my iCloud account, but I have NailDrop
enabled for all my accounts in Mail.app

I've never sent anything large enough to invoke MailDrop on iOS.

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Lewis

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In message <e50dv3...@mid.individual.net>

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2016-09-27, Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>>
>> In article <e4vmob...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It has to be the email account you use when you utilize Mail Drop.
>>>
>>>Are you sure? That's definitely not the case on macOS, where for every IMAP
>>>account in Mail there is a setting to enable or disable Mail Drop.
>>
>> That's interesting. Apple says you have to set up iCloud Mail before
>> you can use Mail Drop:
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/kb/ph2629?locale=en_US

> That page (iCloud: Add an attachment to an email) says that to send an
> attachment through iCloud mail, you can use Mail Drop; but it doesn't
> say iCloud email is *required*, or that Mail Drop *won't* work with
> other email services. I also don't see anything to that effect on this
> page that outlines Mail Drop limitations:

> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203093>

OK, I fond a video and tried to send it. I sent it to my gmail account
from my work account. When I clicked Send I got a dialog asking if I
wanted to use MailDrop.

No iCloud account involved (but yes, I do have an iCloud account
configured).

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a large lump of metal used for viciously crushing skulls. It is
important not to confuse the two.'

Rod Speed

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Sep 28, 2016, 1:34:38 AM9/28/16

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"Patty Winter" <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote in message
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No mail drop option with mine and I do have an icloud.com email account.
There is the mail option and if you try emailing a video it does offer to
mail drop it.

Jolly Roger

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Sep 28, 2016, 12:55:47 PM9/28/16

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Mail Drop is tied to the Mail application. So if you share a large
video/photo collection from Photos via Mail you should see a message
asking if you want to use Mail Drop.

Horace Algier

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Sep 28, 2016, 6:55:00 PM9/28/16

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On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 02:47:22 -0000 (UTC), Patty Winter wrote:

> 2. Is there any way to reduce the size of a video while preparing it
> for sending, as there is with photos? I mean from within Mail, not
> reducing it by editing frames out within Photos. I would happily reduce
> the resolution of this video if it will help me get it delivered once
> and for all.

Didn't read the thread, but Rod Speed apparently referred to this thread in
a reply to me (in a different thread) where he mentioned something about
iOS and Android differences in the ease of sending large videos by email.

So I googled how to send video by mail on both iOS and Android, and "one"
of the many hits was this iOS-only app:
http://corp.eyejot.com/

Dunno if it actually works, but the marketing blurb is as follows:
"Eyejot is simply the easiest way to create and send video mail
to friends, family members, business colleagues and customers.
It can be used from any web browser as well as directly from
mobile devices such as the iPhone or iPod Touch."

They have a simulator here:
http://corp.eyejot.com/simulator

This seems to be the app store location for iOS:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/eyejot-inc./id480595298

But something's confusing because the web site says Android isn't available
but an app with the same name & purpose seems to be available for Android:

Eyejot Video Mail By Eyejot
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eyejot.eyejot

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solution as I only read the OP based on Rod Speed's comments.

Horace Algier

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On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:16:16 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

> Offhand I don't see a simple method for determining file size

OMG.

I'm actually amazed that this question *needs* to be asked, because, at
first, it seems to be sort of like asking "How do I know if it's raining
outside".

Normally, "you just look".

But, apparently you can't just look through a window to see the file size
on iOS.

Googling, this article suggests you pretend you're sending an email, which
it seems is the approach you guys have been using already:
How do I check size of iMovie for iOS project?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5174585?tstart=0

Since pretending to send an email seems hokey, googling further, I find
this, which basically says to pretend you're uploading to a cloud service
such as OneDrive or Dropbox.

How can I find out the size of a video file on my iPhone 6 camera roll?
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/205118/how-can-i-find-out-the-size-of-a-video-file-on-my-iphone-6-camera-roll

The comments in this article suggests "Exif Wizard", which I think was
already suggested (from a quick skim of this thread), but that might only
work for photos:
https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-find-out-the-size-of-a-video-file-on-an-iOS-devices-camera-roll

That artiocle's comments also suggested to pretend you're uploading to
YouTube, which is similar to the other pretend-upload options above.

Perhaps this article has the best advice?
[Question] How do you know a media file size on iOS?
https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/3tam3r/question_how_do_you_know_a_media_file_size_on_ios/

It suggests an app called "Investigator" but I don't know if this works for
videos, since they might not have Exif information:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/photo-investigator-view-edit/id571574618

However, in the thread is this tidbit, which seems to be the most direct
approach, if it works:
Settings > General > Storage & iCloud Usage > [under Storage] Manage
Storage > Videos (where You can see video sizes there. If the file is not
in the native Videos app, you may find it elsewhere under Manage Storage.)

Patty Winter

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In article <slrnnumjfo....@snow.local>,

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>OK, I fond a video and tried to send it. I sent it to my gmail account
>from my work account. When I clicked Send I got a dialog asking if I
>wanted to use MailDrop.
>
>No iCloud account involved (but yes, I do have an iCloud account
>configured).

Okay, sounds like a consensus. You need an iCloud Mail account configured
but you can use MailDrop from your regular account in Mail. And I get now
that MailDrop is an option with the Mail option in Sharing, not a separate
option.

Patty