New phone keeps old apps. How?

[Chris]

A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app on my
current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I suspected I
was told that it wasn't possible.

Now having just migrated to the new phone, I see that it has 26 apps that
need an update - including the one I was concerned about. How is that
possible? I thought the process was supposed to get the latest version of
the apps from the App Store. It did take about 20min following the restore
for all the apps to be available, so they weren't simply restored from the
backup.

I don't think I did anything special. I restored to the XR from an iTunes
backup I had done this afternoon from the old SE.

Have Apple now realised that people may want to keep specific versions of
apps and made it possible by default?

[Ant]

I did similiar in late September 2019. I noticed my iPhone 6+ (iOS
v12.4.x) still keep the apps to redownload and upgrade if needed when
online. If there is no newer version (32-bit) for that specific app,
then running that missing app will tell you that to check for a newer
version or delete it.

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[David Empson]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2019-12-28, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app
> > on my current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I
> > suspected I was told that it wasn't possible.
>

> Bullshit. I was here when you asked about this. And I recall that
> multiple people told you that you can back up iOS apps to a computer,
> and that you can install those apps to any of your iOS devices later on.

Um, no. You seem to be misremembering the previous thread, and the only
answers (including mine) were the opposite of what you claim. See the
thread starting with message ID <qsq7qh$q0k$1...@dont-email.me>.

In addition, your claim about "backing up" apps from iOS devices is four
years out of date (and counting).

It is not possible to copy apps from devices running iOS 9 or later, due
to the introduction of App Thinning. iOS 9 and later block the mechanism
that was used by old versions of iTunes to transfer apps from the device
to the iTunes library.

iTunes 12.6.5 and earlier can still access App Store to download its own
copy of the apps, but that method can't get an old version of the app,
so it doesn't help if the user's only copy of that version of the app
was downloaded directly on an iOS device, as was the case here.

The iPhone SE was introduced with iOS 9.3 so there is no possibility of
getting its copy of the app onto a computer no matter what software you
use (short of jailbreaking the device, and even then a copy of the app
may not work on another device due to App Thinning having removed assets
required by other models).

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[David Empson]

Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app on my
> current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I suspected I
> was told that it wasn't possible.
>
> Now having just migrated to the new phone, I see that it has 26 apps that
> need an update - including the one I was concerned about. How is that
> possible? I thought the process was supposed to get the latest version of
> the apps from the App Store. It did take about 20min following the restore
> for all the apps to be available, so they weren't simply restored from the
> backup.

That is somewhat surprising. The XR will have downloaded the apps from
App Store (they are not in the backup), so in principle it should have
downloaded the latest version.

What iOS version was running on the SE when you did the backup, and what
iOS version was running on the XR at the point of the restore? Did you
update iOS on the XR after restoring the backup?

I'm wondering if there is something slightly strange going on like a
restored backup from an older iOS version automatically downloading old
versions of the apps to match the restored backup as closely as
possible, then the normal update mechanism kicks in and notices a new
version is available.

If you haven't installed the pending app updates yet, you can at least
find out the version numbers of the currently installed apps, by going
into Settings > General > iPhone Storage, waiting for the list to
populate, then going into each app to see its version number.

(You can also compare that to what is running on the SE.)

A list of a few examples might give us enough clues to work out what
happened.

I don't recall seeing apps needing updates after recent device
migrations I've done (using either backup/restore or the new direct
transfer method introduced in iOS 12.4), but my recent migrations were
either on the same iOS version or from iOS 12 to iOS 13.

> I don't think I did anything special. I restored to the XR from an iTunes
> backup I had done this afternoon from the old SE.
>
> Have Apple now realised that people may want to keep specific versions of
> apps and made it possible by default?

No. iOS still wants to install available app updates automatically,
unless you tell it not to do that.

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[Chris]

David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app on my
>> current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I suspected I
>> was told that it wasn't possible.
>>
>> Now having just migrated to the new phone, I see that it has 26 apps that
>> need an update - including the one I was concerned about. How is that
>> possible? I thought the process was supposed to get the latest version of
>> the apps from the App Store. It did take about 20min following the restore
>> for all the apps to be available, so they weren't simply restored from the
>> backup.
>
> That is somewhat surprising. The XR will have downloaded the apps from
> App Store (they are not in the backup), so in principle it should have
> downloaded the latest version.
>
> What iOS version was running on the SE when you did the backup,

The most recent 13.3

> and what
> iOS version was running on the XR at the point of the restore? Did you
> update iOS on the XR after restoring the backup?

When I first tried the restore it complained that the XR needed an update
(it was on 12.6.4, I think), so updated it to 13.3 - it took what felt like
ages, maybe 30 min. Then after the update, I restored the SE backup from
iTunes (v12.10.3.1 on windows 10).

> I'm wondering if there is something slightly strange going on like a
> restored backup from an older iOS version automatically downloading old
> versions of the apps to match the restored backup as closely as
> possible, then the normal update mechanism kicks in and notices a new
> version is available.

Everything was up to date as far as possible.

> If you haven't installed the pending app updates yet, you can at least
> find out the version numbers of the currently installed apps, by going
> into Settings > General > iPhone Storage, waiting for the list to
> populate, then going into each app to see its version number.
>
> (You can also compare that to what is running on the SE.)
>
> A list of a few examples might give us enough clues to work out what
> happened.

For example the Airbnb app is v19.47 on the SE and also on the XR. Yet the
version in the App Store is 19.50.
Slack: v19.11.20 on both phones. v19.12.10 in App Store
The app I didn't want to update was Enpass: v5.6.1 on both phones. v6.3.2
in App Store. I'll see if can revert the changes I made on my Mac and
Windows machines.

> I don't recall seeing apps needing updates after recent device
> migrations I've done (using either backup/restore or the new direct
> transfer method introduced in iOS 12.4), but my recent migrations were
> either on the same iOS version or from iOS 12 to iOS 13.
>
>> I don't think I did anything special. I restored to the XR from an iTunes
>> backup I had done this afternoon from the old SE.
>>
>> Have Apple now realised that people may want to keep specific versions of
>> apps and made it possible by default?
>
> No. iOS still wants to install available app updates automatically,
> unless you tell it not to do that.

Ah. That might be it. I always turn off automatic app update. Interesting
that it also applies to restores. I guess it still depends on having the
old versions available in the App Store.

[Chris]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> I did similiar in late September 2019. I noticed my iPhone 6+ (iOS
> v12.4.x) still keep the apps to redownload and upgrade if needed when
> online. If there is no newer version (32-bit) for that specific app,
> then running that missing app will tell you that to check for a newer
> version or delete it.

That's not the issue here. Everything is 64-bit.

[Lewis]

In message <1ojbj4d.8kqezt1f1wk5mN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app on my
>> current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I suspected I
>> was told that it wasn't possible.
>>
>> Now having just migrated to the new phone, I see that it has 26 apps that
>> need an update - including the one I was concerned about. How is that
>> possible? I thought the process was supposed to get the latest version of
>> the apps from the App Store. It did take about 20min following the restore
>> for all the apps to be available, so they weren't simply restored from the
>> backup.

> That is somewhat surprising. The XR will have downloaded the apps from
> App Store (they are not in the backup), so in principle it should have
> downloaded the latest version.

Maybe restore tries to download the same version that was in the backup
device? Often these older versions are not available because the
developer has removed them, so you cannot count on this and you cannot
check ahead of time.

> I don't recall seeing apps needing updates after recent device
> migrations I've done (using either backup/restore or the new direct
> transfer method introduced in iOS 12.4), but my recent migrations were
> either on the same iOS version or from iOS 12 to iOS 13.

He also may be confusing an iCloud icon as an update. When i migrated to
my new phone I had several apps that appeared with iCloud odnwload icons
next to the name.

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[Chris]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <1ojbj4d.8kqezt1f1wk5mN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson
> <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>> Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app on my
>>> current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I suspected I
>>> was told that it wasn't possible.
>>>
>>> Now having just migrated to the new phone, I see that it has 26 apps that
>>> need an update - including the one I was concerned about. How is that
>>> possible? I thought the process was supposed to get the latest version of
>>> the apps from the App Store. It did take about 20min following the restore
>>> for all the apps to be available, so they weren't simply restored from the
>>> backup.
>
>> That is somewhat surprising. The XR will have downloaded the apps from
>> App Store (they are not in the backup), so in principle it should have
>> downloaded the latest version.
>
> Maybe restore tries to download the same version that was in the backup
> device?

That's my thought too.

> Often these older versions are not available because the
> developer has removed them, so you cannot count on this and you cannot
> check ahead of time.
>
>> I don't recall seeing apps needing updates after recent device
>> migrations I've done (using either backup/restore or the new direct
>> transfer method introduced in iOS 12.4), but my recent migrations were
>> either on the same iOS version or from iOS 12 to iOS 13.
>
> He also may be confusing an iCloud icon as an update. When i migrated to
> my new phone I had several apps that appeared with iCloud odnwload icons
> next to the name.

Nope. They definitely have "update" buttons next to them in the App Store.

[JF Mezei]

On 2019-12-28 11:39, Lewis wrote:

> Maybe restore tries to download the same version that was in the backup
> device? Often these older versions are not available because the
> developer has removed them, so you cannot count on this and you cannot
> check ahead of time.

I suspect there is a huge difference between what the "backup" process
has access to versus what the App store makes available in its search
algorithm.

ala: an older version may still be available for the iPhone to pull from
the Apple servers even though you could not access such a version from
the App Store.

In the Store -> iTunes -> Phone scenario of lore, when you restored, it
would take whatevver versiuon as stored in iTunes on your Mac,
irrespective of what the store had.

When Apple removed that functionality, I would assume that the
replacement (automated loading by the phone from the Apple servers)
would equate the same functionality as before and pull in the same version.

Consider that your app data may come from an iTunes backup. This data
may be specific to bersion 2 of application. If you restore version2
data to the phone, but the phone restores version 3 of the app, you
could have big problems, so it would make sense for Apple to allow the
iPhone to pull in the same app version as you had loaded before.

[Your Name]

I think there was a bug in a recent sub-version update of iOS. After
installing the iOS update on our iPad, I then checked for app updates
and found a couple that needed downloading. After doing that I suddenly
found two or three iold apps that I had deleted from the iPad well
before the iOS update had suddenly reappeared - no backup restoring
involved (we don't use iCloud for anything and only backup by
physically plugging the iPad into the Mac).

[JF Mezei]

On 2019-12-27 21:39, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Bullshit. I was here when you asked about this. And I recall that
> multiple people told you that you can back up iOS apps to a computer,
> and that you can install those apps to any of your iOS devices later on.

(thought I had sent this yesterday, but it got stuck in drafts)


iTunes fetched apps from the App store, kept copies on the Mac
iTunes sent apps from the Mac to the iPhone.

The iTunes to App Store interface was removed. And the ability for
iTunes to send an app to the iPhone was hidden away. (there is still a
trick to mamnually send one app if you can find the relevant files - at
least with version 12 of iTunes).


The backup that is done by iTunes (or Finder in newer OS-X) will include
the list of apps you have, their placement on the home screesn and
obviously the app's private data. I would *assume* this backup contains
the full ID of the app including its version, so it is quite possible
that when the phone needs to load the app from "the cloud", it will
request and get the exact same version as was stated in the backup.

Consider cases where there is a paid upgrade. You won't get the latest
version unless you agree to purchase it, and that is outside the
functionality of the "background" process of the iPhone requesting the
binary for an app that appears on its home screen. Same with app
thinning. When the iPhone decides to remove an app from its storage, it
is with the expectation that it can reload the same exact app from the
Apple servers when/if needed.

A backup woudln't be considered a real backup if there was no ability to
restore the phone to its exact same state as before, and that includes
restoring app binaries that match the same version as the app listing in
the backup.

[David Empson]

Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app on my
> >> current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I suspected I
> >> was told that it wasn't possible.
> >>
> >> Now having just migrated to the new phone, I see that it has 26 apps that
> >> need an update - including the one I was concerned about. How is that
> >> possible? I thought the process was supposed to get the latest version of
> >> the apps from the App Store. It did take about 20min following the restore
> >> for all the apps to be available, so they weren't simply restored from the
> >> backup.
> >
> > That is somewhat surprising. The XR will have downloaded the apps from
> > App Store (they are not in the backup), so in principle it should have
> > downloaded the latest version.

> [everything was iOS 13.3, used iTunes 12.10.3.1 to do the backup/restore]

> For example the Airbnb app is v19.47 on the SE and also on the XR. Yet the
> version in the App Store is 19.50.
> Slack: v19.11.20 on both phones. v19.12.10 in App Store
> The app I didn't want to update was Enpass: v5.6.1 on both phones. v6.3.2
> in App Store. I'll see if can revert the changes I made on my Mac and
> Windows machines.
>
> > I don't recall seeing apps needing updates after recent device
> > migrations I've done (using either backup/restore or the new direct
> > transfer method introduced in iOS 12.4), but my recent migrations were
> > either on the same iOS version or from iOS 12 to iOS 13.
> >
> >> I don't think I did anything special. I restored to the XR from an iTunes
> >> backup I had done this afternoon from the old SE.
> >>
> >> Have Apple now realised that people may want to keep specific versions of
> >> apps and made it possible by default?
> >
> > No. iOS still wants to install available app updates automatically,
> > unless you tell it not to do that.
>
> Ah. That might be it. I always turn off automatic app update. Interesting
> that it also applies to restores. I guess it still depends on having the
> old versions available in the App Store.

Very interesting. It does indeed appear that a restored backup attempts
to restore the same older version of the app, as long as that version is
still available for download, which is under control of the developer.
As I keep apps up to date on most of my devices, I hadn't noticed that
as part of the backup/restore or migration mechanism.

Older app versions are normally left available so they can be downloaded
on devices running an older iOS version, which is unable to run the
latest version of the app.

I should be able to test this myself at some point when I have a device
I can spare temporarily to do a backup/restore from another device on
which I haven't updated the apps for a while.

--
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dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[David Empson]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2019-12-28, David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2019-12-28, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an
> >> > app on my current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR).
> >> > As I suspected I was told that it wasn't possible.
> >>
> >> Bullshit. I was here when you asked about this. And I recall that
> >> multiple people told you that you can back up iOS apps to a computer,
> >> and that you can install those apps to any of your iOS devices later
> >> on.
> >
> > Um, no. You seem to be misremembering the previous thread, and the
> > only answers (including mine) were the opposite of what you claim. See
> > the thread starting with message ID <qsq7qh$q0k$1...@dont-email.me>.
>

> Then it was a similar thread asking about the same thing. There have
> been several in recent past.

>
> > In addition, your claim about "backing up" apps from iOS devices is
> > four years out of date (and counting).
>

> I never claimed the backups pull *directly* from iOS devices.

A casual reader would naturally interpret your "back up iOS apps to a
computer" as implying "back up iOS apps from the device to the
computer". Your description was vague enough that I felt a clarification
was in order.

> > iTunes 12.6.5 and earlier can still access App Store to download its
> > own copy of the apps, but that method can't get an old version of the
> > app, so it doesn't help if the user's only copy of that version of the
> > app was downloaded directly on an iOS device, as was the case here.
>

> I never claimed otherwise. So the time to start archiving current
> versions of your apps is now. That way you won't find yourself without
> an archive later on.

For Mac users, this is a rapidly disappearing option.

iTunes 12.6.5 won't install on Mojave (without a hack). Catalina is
probably worse.

That leaves the last supported OS on which iTunes 12.6.5 officially
runs, High Sierra, which has about nine months left before it stops
getting security updates, and won't run on new Mac models. Keeping an
old Mac working or running a virtual machine are still viable, but most
people won't think it is worth the trouble.

iTunes 12.6.5 still seems to work fine on Windows. Maybe that is Apple's
intended solution for enterprise customers, at least in the meantime.

The lack of a supported option for the current macOS version (for more
than a year) does not bode well.

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[Lewis]

In message <1ojd1cy.lyp7uupowci2N%dem...@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> iTunes 12.6.5 still seems to work fine on Windows. Maybe that is Apple's
> intended solution for enterprise customers, at least in the meantime.

I think the intended solution is Configurator 2.

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Given that Usenet is a permanent archive of users' IPA-management questions
& answers, please reference this important detailed post from David Empson:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/z3kVVoc-CAAJ>

In addition, for reference purposes, I will add this thread to the existing
list of iOS IPA management threads so that all may benefit from the action.

o New phone keeps old apps. How?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/C8HqSOZ_zSI>

o How do I redownload and reinstall an older version of iOS app into my iPhone 4S?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/56nEgAZIjGk/QoMXl4TFBAAJ>

o Copy App from iPad to iPad Mini
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/TDZQfsILCAAJ>

o Is it possible to copy an app from one iOS device to another?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IeOlsAV4VCU/_4A9ZOCJsKcJ>

o Copy App from iPad to iPad Mini
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/TDZQfsILCAAJ>

o How do you install hundreds of free apps on your iOS device from all your friend's and other people's iOS devices?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.ipad/z_vztaAbOfM>

o On iOS, how do you extract, backup, & restore (automatically & manually), share IPAs (all installed versions) with anyone, & autogenerate editable text of App Store links to all apps
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/KkMM-DWJCfM>

In addition, see this specific post from David Empson on IPA management:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/Tufx3qIBZBw/z3kVVoc-CAAJ>

To preserve the thread's integrity for the future, I will add Jolly Roger's
full posts because JR includes a header command to tell Google to not
archive his posts, but where his posts are instructive for future users.
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From: Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: New phone keeps old apps. How?
Date: 28 Dec 2019 02:39:28 GMT
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On 2019-12-28, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app
> on my current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I
> suspected I was told that it wasn't possible.

Bullshit. I was here when you asked about this. And I recall that
multiple people told you that you can back up iOS apps to a computer,
and that you can install those apps to any of your iOS devices later on.

And you can do this with iTunes or Apple's Configurator tool or with
third-party tools like iMazing and so on. Pages showing how to do this
are readily found with a simple web search as well - for instance:
<https://krypted.com/mass-deployment/install-apps-to-ios-devices-using-apple-configurator-2/>
<https://imazing.com/guides/how-to-manage-apps-without-itunes>

I've been backing up my iOS apps for *years* using iTunes, and have
every version of every app installed on any of my iOS devices in an
archive on my file server. It's definitely possible - easy to do, even.
=== === === === ===
From: Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: New phone keeps old apps. How?
Date: 28 Dec 2019 21:52:13 GMT
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On 2019-12-28, David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2019-12-28, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >

>> > A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an
>> > app on my current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR).
>> > As I suspected I was told that it wasn't possible.
>>

>> Bullshit. I was here when you asked about this. And I recall that
>> multiple people told you that you can back up iOS apps to a computer,
>> and that you can install those apps to any of your iOS devices later
>> on.
>
> Um, no. You seem to be misremembering the previous thread, and the
> only answers (including mine) were the opposite of what you claim. See
> the thread starting with message ID <qsq7qh$q0k$1...@dont-email.me>.

Then it was a similar thread asking about the same thing. There have
been several in recent past.

> In addition, your claim about "backing up" apps from iOS devices is
> four years out of date (and counting).

I never claimed the backups pull *directly* from iOS devices. Read what
I responded to again:

--- A couple of weeks ago i asked about keeping an old version of an app

on my current iphone SE when migrating to a new phone (an XR). As I

suspected I was told that it wasn't possible. ---

It's definitely possible to keep old versions of apps.
It's definitely possible to install old versions of apps.

That's not out of date. It's still possible to do so. In fact I archive
my iOS apps regularly, and I can install older versions of them to my
devices (assuming the device is running a compatible version of iOS).

> It is not possible to copy apps from devices running iOS 9 or later

It's possible to back up current versions of apps installed on your iOS
devices from iTunes / Apple Configurator and archive them indefinitely.
I do it regularly.

> iTunes 12.6.5 and earlier can still access App Store to download its
> own copy of the apps, but that method can't get an old version of the
> app, so it doesn't help if the user's only copy of that version of the
> app was downloaded directly on an iOS device, as was the case here.

I never claimed otherwise. So the time to start archiving current
versions of your apps is now. That way you won't find yourself without
an archive later on.

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From: Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: New phone keeps old apps. How?
Date: 30 Dec 2019 02:10:33 GMT
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On 2019-12-29, David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2019-12-28, David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
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>>> iTunes 12.6.5 and earlier can still access App Store to download its
>>> own copy of the apps, but that method can't get an old version of the
>>> app, so it doesn't help if the user's only copy of that version of the
>>> app was downloaded directly on an iOS device, as was the case here.
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>> I never claimed otherwise. So the time to start archiving current
>> versions of your apps is now. That way you won't find yourself without
>> an archive later on.
>
> For Mac users, this is a rapidly disappearing option.
>
> iTunes 12.6.5 won't install on Mojave (without a hack). Catalina is
> probably worse.
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> That leaves the last supported OS on which iTunes 12.6.5 officially
> runs, High Sierra, which has about nine months left before it stops
> getting security updates, and won't run on new Mac models. Keeping an
> old Mac working or running a virtual machine are still viable, but most
> people won't think it is worth the trouble.

It's really not that much trouble, and if you really want your apps
backed up, it's definitely worth it, IMO.

Apple Configurator is another option, but is much slower and tedious IME.
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