Re: W10 to Iphone6?

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:27:25 -0400, xx...@alt.gov wrote:

> Any way to copy w10 jpgs over USB to iphone8?
> just thought to ask.

You have _less_ functionality with iTunes, than without it.

I have lots of iPads & Android phones...
o Where I copy anything I want to anywhere I want anytime I want
o Whether that's iOS or Android or Windows or Linux (or all at once)
o Read/Write... I treat the iOS device as a USB stick for this purpose

Which is why I call iTunes an abomination
o Because you have _less_ functionality with iTunes, than without it.

In summary:

1. You get the most power simply by dual booting to Linux (with Windows)...
o *Using iOS mobile phone or iPad as a read/write USB device*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/aaBnSphtefI>

2. If you're a masochist, feel free to use the iTunes abomination...
o *Is there any functionality iTunes does, that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/F-gWC05h1xQ>

3. Which, as usual for Apple, Apple has _never_ tested sufficiently...
o *A zero-day vulnerability in iCloud and iTunes on Windows PCs*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/hftPQAEZr_g>

See also:
o *Freeware alternative to iTunes that doesn't delete all your songs constantly*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/VxKFg4EB6wE>
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There's a reason Apple has the lowest R&D percentage in all of high tech.
(Hint: Their marketing budget is huge... and that's all they really need!)
(DoubleHint: Apple lovers believe what MARKETING feeds them to believe.)

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:04:28 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> You have to enter the passcode on the phone to get it to trust the
>> computer. If you plug it into a Mac, the phone shows up in the Finder at
>> least as of Catalina, once it trusts the computer.
>
> that's only because itunes no longer exists in catalina, having been
> split up, with syncing in finder and content in their respective apps.

Hi nospam,

While many have proved iTunes is not only bloatware, and it's not only an
abomination, and that you have more functionality _without_ iTunes, than
with it, even Apple has killed off iTunes on the Mac.

*What does the fact Apple killed off iTunes for the Mac tell us, nospam?*

o *Apple is killing off iTunes, reports say*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.apps/nfALvSmzsGY>

For details on why iTunes is called bloatware, see:
o *How to Install iTunes without Bloatware*
<https://geekermag.com/install-itunes-without-bloatware-windows-10/>

For details on why iTunes is called an abomination, see:
o *The abomination that is iTunes on Windows*
<https://www.troyhunt.com/10-graphic-examples-of-abomination-that/>

For details on proving iTunes bloatware was untested for years, see:

o *A zero-day vulnerability in iCloud and iTunes on Windows PCs*

*allowed hackers to install ransomware undetected for years*
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/hftPQAEZr_g/wE5JBam9DQAJ>

>> If you plug it into a
>> Windows system, the phone does not show in File Explorer. Unless I'm
>> doing something wrong.
>
> it should show up as a standard digital camera on windows. oddly, it
> does not do that on macs.

This is the trust query I've gotten in the past (from my tutorials)
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios010.jpg>
Note you will only see that query once on Linux.

This is the allow query I've gotten in the past each time I connect:
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios020.jpg>
Note you will get this allow query every time you connect to Linux.

This is how the iOS device showed up in the past after accepting those:
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios030.jpg>
Note that there are two icons: "camera" & "Documents"

The Documents space is extremely useful, e.g., to copy movies to VLC:
o <http://s1.bild.me/bilder/110417/8918650usb01.jpg>
o <http://s1.bild.me/bilder/110417/8157466usb02.jpg>
o <http://s1.bild.me/bilder/110417/2107706usb03.jpg>

Note there is no need to install _anything_ other than the OS itself.
--
There's a good reason Apple R&D spend is low & MARKETING spend is high!

[Arlen Holder]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:04:26 -0400, nospam wrote:

> they haven't reverse engineered everything, and what they did do
> doesn't work very well.

Hi nospam,

I know you well where anyone can predict years in advance that you'll claim
Apple software works better than does essentially any other software...

But it's clear you don't even believe half of what you, yourself, claim.
o You do it simply because you _always_ claim Apple products are better.

That's what makes you _different_ than the other apologists out there.
o You post as if you (figuratively) get paid by Apple MARKETING per post

Anyway, I wrote the tutorials, where I proved it works rather well.
a. Dual boot to Ubuntu & plug in the iOS device & agree to trust
b. Slide files back & forth (read/write) to/from Windows, iOS, & Linux

This is from my _oldest_ tutorial, where in those days (a few years ago),
you had to run a couple of commands on Linux which you no longer need as of
Ubuntu 18.04 (based on my tests from a while ago).

Here are the screenshots, for example, from that first tutorial long ago:
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios000.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios010.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios020.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios030.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios040.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios050.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios060.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios070.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios080.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios090.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios100.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios110.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios120.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios130.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios140.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios150.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios160.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios170.jpg>
o <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios180.jpg>

NOTE: As of Ubuntu 18.04, everything you need is already installed.
--
Apologists believe only in what MARKETING feeds them to believe.

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:00:46 +0100, musika wrote:

> I connected my iPhone 8 via usb (win 1909) and it appeared as a device
> called "Apple iPhone". This gave access to the DCIM folder.

Hi musika,

I realize you posted purposefully helpfully, which adds its risks.
o So please do not think this a chastisement; just an observation.

*Native, on Windows, over USB, the "functionality" with iOS sucks.*
Native, on Linux, over USB, the "functionality" with iOS, is great.
(HINT: Its' read _and_ write on Linux to the entire visible file system!)

Notice, on Windows, native (i.e., no additional software):
1. On Android, as MTP, you get access to the entire visible file system.
2. On iOS, you get access to almost nothing (e.g., just to "DCIM").

That sucks.
o *Functionality on Windows over USB for iOS stinks like you can't believe.*

The solution for the Windows ignorati is to 'add iTunes', which, as noted:
a. Adds horrifically designed immense bloatware like you can't believe
b. Adds vulnerabilities Apple is known to have never sufficiently tested
c. Actually hinders functionality that you'd have _without_ iTunes

In my humble opinion, anyone who _accepts_ that horrid iOS functionality
o Is simply using both the iOS device and Windows, as mere child's toys.
--
What Apple excels at is MARKETING, which is why their R&D spend is so low.

[xx...@alt.gov]

I can copy pics/videos fine from iphone to W10, using the latter's
file explorer or its Photos program. No go on the reverse. iCloud
seems my best bet.
Thanks for ur reply.
xxxxx

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:18:45 -0400, xx...@alt.gov wrote:

> I can copy pics/videos fine from iphone to W10, using the latter's
> file explorer or its Photos program. No go on the reverse. iCloud
> seems my best bet.
> Thanks for ur reply.

Hi xx...@alt.gov,

It's humiliating to have to resort to the cloud to do things that simple.

I don't know you, where you might just be Panthera Tigris Altaica, which,
if so, it's not worth much of my time to respond as it will fall on clogged
ears if that's the case.

If your ears are open, and, even so, for the benefit of the others whose
ears are open, the first thing you have to realize is that with iOS, you're
almost completely doomed (if you have any experience with Android).

Bidirectional copy with the entire Android visible file system just works.
o For iOS, it sucks like you can't believe (by way of comparison).

So, the first thing you have to realize is that you'll always have less
functionality with iOS interfacing with Windows than with Android.

The only way I know of, to get the same freedom of interaction of Android
with iOS, is to boot Windows to Linux, and then, believe it or not, you can
copy directly from Window to iOS and vice versa.

Notice very clearly that's not a typo.
o You can copy from Windows to iOS & vice versa, while booted to Linux.

If you're gonna use the "cloud", then you're already doomed for many
reasons, not the least of which is the cloud is not encrypted:
o iCloud backups are NOT encrypted, by badgolferman
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/-EA9TYUeVhk>

Nor is the iCloud free for the amount of data you'll likely have
o Where it's just ridiculous to rent your data back from Apple

Nor is it reasonable to store _any_ of your data on the cloud (IMHO)
o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data
on the Internet (if so, for what gain?)
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/E0TkTd-zLuk>

It's always been the case that if you have to resort to using the Internet
in order to copy your files from your mobile device to your PC, you've
already lost everything (because it's so humiliating to do that).
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It's humiliating to have to resort to the cloud to do things that simple.

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-06-19 11:57 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:18:45 -0400, xx...@alt.gov wrote:
>
>> I can copy pics/videos fine from iphone to W10, using the latter's
>> file explorer or its Photos program. No go on the reverse. iCloud
>> seems my best bet.
>> Thanks for ur reply.
>
> Hi xx...@alt.gov,
>
> It's humiliating to have to resort to the cloud to do things that simple.

Why "humiliating"?