Why is it so fucking hard ?

[farter]

With aliexpress disputes, you are required to include a photo.

It won't accept normal iphone photos, doesn't like the size or format.

But the iphone doesn't allows you to change either without using a 3rd
party app.

Yes you can email the photo to yourself, but that isnt very convenient and
isnt intuitive at all.

With a superficial look, can't find a free trivial to use resizer which
puts
the modified photo back where the aliexpress app looks for photos.

[Your Name]

Depending on which model and iOS version you have, the iPhone (and
iPad) might be saving the photos in HEIC format ... which doesn't work
in many other OSes and apps, making it useless for most "normal"
requirements.

You can change the default photo format to regular JPEG for all new
photos, although they will then take up more storage space ...

- Open 'Settings'
- Tap on 'Camera'
- Choose 'Formats' from the onscreen options.
- Change the format from 'High Efficiency' to
'Most Compatible'

For the photos you have already taken, you'll have to use a separate
app to convert them to JPEG.

There is an option that supposedly auto-converts HEIC images to JPEG
when you 'share' them, but it's a bit flakey and requires another
option to be turned off.

- Open 'Settings'
- Tap on 'Photos'
- Scroll down to the very bottom of the options to
find "Transfer to Mac or PC"
- If you have "Automatic" selected, your iPhone will
convert your HEIC files to JPEG files when you use
sharing options that could go to an incompatible
device. If you go to share a photo over AirDrop or
iMessage with another Apple user, it'll remain an
HEIC. But if you use the share feature to send a
photo in an email or on another platform, it'll be
swapped for a JPEG.
- If you have "Keep Originals" selected, your iPhone
will only share photos in the format you shot them
in.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 27.10.22 um 05:23 schrieb Your Name:

> On 2022-10-27 02:17:16 +0000, farter said:

The two Super-Trolls in one thread!
*Rod Speed* and *Arlen/Burnelli*!


--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[badgolferman]

Your Name wrote:

>You can change the default photo format to regular JPEG for all new
>photos, although they will then take up more storage space ...
>
> - Open 'Settings'
> - Tap on 'Camera'
> - Choose 'Formats' from the onscreen options.
> - Change the format from 'High Efficiency' to
> 'Most Compatible'
>
>For the photos you have already taken, you'll have to use a separate
>app to convert them to JPEG.

Thank you. I have changed that format now because I don't have a Mac
and I don't care about storage space.

[nospam]

In article <xn0nolngv...@reader443.eternal-september.org>,

heif/hevc are *not* mac formats. they are new industry standard
formats, more capable than jpeg and widely supported, although not
universal, yet.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 1:42 PM, nospam wrote:
> I have changed that format now because I don't have a Mac
>
> heif/hevc are *not* mac formats. they are new industry standard
> formats, more capable than jpeg and widely supported, although not
> universal, yet.

HEIF/HEIC is a problem on most non-Apple phone and computer platforms.
An example is Windows Irfanview won't read it alone and there is no plugin.

There's a recent thread on Android & Windows on how to convert HEIC to
something universally usable on Android phones and on Windows computers.

Subject: How to view HEIC files in WIndows?
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 21:36:01 -0600
Message-ID: <ti2ob1$1838$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

After installing a proprietary codec for non commercial use, that OP said

"If someone asks me in the future, my recommendation is the same
as Paul's which is "Don't use it" but if they receive a batch of
those HEIC/HEIF files my recommendation for them is to convert those
HEIC/HEIF files to a sane commonly readable format as quickly as possible."

[nospam]

In article <tje6jr$kui$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Heron

<McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> HEIF/HEIC is a problem on most non-Apple phone and computer platforms.

it isn't a problem whatsoever.

> An example is Windows Irfanview won't read it alone and there is no plugin.

rubbish.

<https://www.irfanview.com/faq.htm#PAGE6>
Q: How to load HEIC files in IrfanView?
A: You must install the HEVC extension/codec.
1) If you have Windows 10/11, you can install it from Microsoft
Store:
You need to install 2 (!!) extensions from Microsoft Store: HEVC
Video Extensions from Device Manufacturer AND HEIF Image
Extensions.
or
2) Download and install the HEIC Codec, version 1.0.1 and later
(Freeware, for Win7/Win8/Win10/Win11).
HEIC Codec
or
3) Search on internet for the "CopyTrans HEIC" Windows codec and
install it (Free for personal use, for Win7/Win8/Win10/Win11).
CopyTrans HEIC Codec

note that the codec is not only for irfanview, and provides support for
many other apps.

android has supported it for quite some time:
<https://source.android.com/docs/core/camera/heif>
Devices running Android 10 support the HEIC compressed image
format, a high efficiency video encoding (HEVC) specific brand of
the high efficiency image file format (HEIF) as specified in ISO/IEC
23008-12. HEIC-encoded images offer better image quality with
smaller file sizes as compared to JPEG files.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 4:12 PM, nospam wrote:
>> An example is Windows Irfanview won't read it alone and there is no plugin.
>
> rubbish.
>
> <https://www.irfanview.com/faq.htm#PAGE6>
> Q: How to load HEIC files in IrfanView?
> A: You must install the HEVC extension/codec.

Before you repeat your errant belief it's rubbish that there is no
Irfanview plugin, google what a codec is (a codec is NOT a plugin!).

Please respond only after you've learned the difference between a
non-commercial-use proprietary codec and an open-source Irfanview plugin.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 27.10.22 um 14:42 schrieb nospam:

> heif/hevc are *not* mac formats. they are new industry standard
> formats, more capable than jpeg and widely supported, although not
> universal, yet.

False: Only Apple recognises this format so far. Even my Linux Mint 22
is not supporting them. The formats are useless so far.

[badgolferman]

nospam wrote:

>In article <xn0nolngv...@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
>badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >You can change the default photo format to regular JPEG for all
>>new >photos, although they will then take up more storage space ...
>> >
>> > - Open 'Settings'
>> > - Tap on 'Camera'
>> > - Choose 'Formats' from the onscreen options.
>> > - Change the format from 'High Efficiency' to
>> > 'Most Compatible'
>> >
>> >For the photos you have already taken, you'll have to use a
>>separate >app to convert them to JPEG.
>>
>> Thank you. I have changed that format now because I don't have a
>>Mac
>

>heif/hevc are not mac formats. they are new industry standard

>formats, more capable than jpeg and widely supported, although not
>universal, yet.

HEVC/HEIF = Not Needed and Not Used by the vast majority of people.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 10:26 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> False: Only Apple recognises this format so far. Even my Linux Mint 22
> is not supporting them. The formats are useless so far.

Some operating systems outside the walled garden are starting to use them.
The main problem is the necessary codecs are commercial & proprietary.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 3:27 PM, badgolferman wrote:
> HEVC/HEIF = Not Needed and Not Used by the vast majority of people.

The added complexity isn't worth the file size saving for most people.
Just the loss of portability isn't worth the (lossy) gain in compression.

[nospam]

In article <tje7ue$3odg$1...@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> > heif/hevc are *not* mac formats. they are new industry standard
> > formats, more capable than jpeg and widely supported, although not
> > universal, yet.
>
> False: Only Apple recognises this format so far.

very much false.

> Even my Linux Mint 22
> is not supporting them. The formats are useless so far.

linux is always behind the curve.

mac, windows, ios and android support it, with limited support on linux.

[nospam]

In article <xn0nolt9u...@reader443.eternal-september.org>,

badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> HEVC/HEIF = Not Needed and Not Used by the vast majority of people.

logical fallacy.

heif/hevc is new. jpeg has been around for several decades. obviously
it won't be as widely used, *yet*.

when the iphone came out, the comments were the majority uses
blackberry and windows mobile. look at what happened to those.

usb-c is nowhere near as common as usb-a, which has been around for a
couple of decades, yet people have been wanting iphones to make the
switch to usb-c.

it's called progress.

[nospam]

In article <tje854$1dep$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Heron

<McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> Some operating systems outside the walled garden are starting to use them.

all of them are.

> The main problem is the necessary codecs are commercial & proprietary.

false.

<https://github.com/strukturag/libheif>
libheif is an ISO/IEC 23008-12:2017 HEIF and AVIF (AV1 Image File
Format) file format decoder and encoder.

HEIF and AVIF are new image file formats employing HEVC (h.265)
or AV1 image coding, respectively, for the best compression ratios
currently possible.
...
This library uses either a standard autoconf/automake build system
or CMake.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 27.10.22 um 17:27 schrieb badgolferman:

> HEVC/HEIF = Not Needed and Not Used by the vast majority of people.

Completely wrong. You do not know iOS/MacOS. This is the default format
photos are stored in the iCloud. Millions use it and save petabytes of data.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 27.10.22 um 17:32 schrieb Heron:

Irrelevant for MacOS and/or iOS-user.

[Jolly Roger]

Wrong. They are standards developed by the Moving Picture Experts Group
(MPEG). GIMP has had support for these formats since 2.10.2, and there
are various other open source packages that support these formats such
as libheif. People who claim to be Linux users yet can't figure out how
to install supporting libraries never fail to amuse me.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 4:40 PM, nospam wrote:
>> Some operating systems outside the walled garden are starting to use them.
>
> all of them are.

You need to distinguish related Apple proprietary file formats when you
claim all these files & formats are supported on all the other platforms.

"HEIC is a /proprietary file format/ used to store image files."
"The format was first invented for Apple phones"
https://windowsreport.com/open-heic-files/

>
>> The main problem is the necessary codecs are commercial & proprietary.
>
> false.

"HEIC is Apple's /proprietary version of the HEIF/ or High-Efficiency Image
File format." https://backlightblog.com/iphone-heic-to-jpg

> <https://github.com/strukturag/libheif>
> libheif is an ISO/IEC 23008-12:2017 HEIF and AVIF (AV1 Image File
> Format) file format decoder and encoder.

"/The HEIC files are proprietary/ and hence you will not be able to open
them unless you meet certain requirements."
https://www.softwaretestinghelp.com/heic-file/

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 10:40 AM, nospam wrote:
> usb-c is nowhere near as common as usb-a, which has been around for a
> couple of decades, yet people have been wanting iphones to make the
> switch to usb-c.

"What does it cost [for Apple] to join as a governing member?
Money.
Apple has an unbelievably big pile of it.

Spending that pile of money relieves their tax burden, so why not buy the
most expensive level of membership?

Cynically, maybe Apple wants to influence it so that it sucks, so while
Apple does support it, Apple's going to have their own proprietary code
anyway, so Apple videos on Apple gear looks great.

Everyone else gets the AOM code which, for some reason, everyone else's
looks (and sounds) ever so slightly worse.

Apple could influence the codec so it works better on Apple hardware, so
they get an advantage while designing the GPU that will go inside the
iPhone XI or XII.

They could use this to see what the codec will support, and then decide not
to support it out of spite, just like the iPhone X doesn't have USB-C, even
though their laptop team has discovered that technology.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16114330
>
> it's called progress.

"There is a difference between HEIF and HEIC.

HEIF is a file format for storing individual images and sequences of the
image.

HEIC is a [proprietary] container that holds the HEIF images.

That¢s the main difference between HEIC and HEIF file format."
https://heic.imobie.com/heif-and-heic.htm

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-10-27, Heron <McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
> On 10/27/2022 4:40 PM, nospam wrote:
>>>
>>> Some operating systems outside the walled garden are starting to use
>>> them.
>>
>> all of them are.
>

> "HEIC is a /proprietary file format/

Wrong, HEIC is a standard container format ISO/IEC 23008-12 (MPEG-H Part
12) which was developed by the Motion Picture Experts Group. I'll give
you three guesses as to what the acronym for that standards group is,
smart guy.

> "The format was first invented for Apple phones"

Wrong again - the standard was proposed by the MPEG organization in 2013
and finalized in 2015. Apple didn't adopt it until 2017.

You're spreading disinformation in order to troll, as usual.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 1:07 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> You're spreading disinformation

No. You are.
As for why you spread your disinformation, the why is known only to you.

"/Apple's proprietary file format, HEIC/, stores high-quality images on iOS
devices and offers better compression than the JPG format.

HEIC makes better use of your limited mobile storage, but it has a
downside: it isn't well-supported by software on Windows computers."
https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/how-to/how-to-convert-apples-heic-files-to-png-if-you-need-to-use-the-more-standard-file-format/articleshow/90300260.cms

"/HEIC is a proprietary file format used in Apple's iPad and iPhone/. Apple
adopted this file format with their iOS 11 in 2017. The full form of HEIC
is High Efficiency Image Container.

When you capture pictures using your Apple mobile device, they will be
saved in the .heic format (both normal and live images)."
https://www.photographyaxis.com/photography-articles/heic-file/

"/HEIC is Apple's proprietary version/ of the HEIF or High-Efficiency Image
File format. The file format is intended to be better for saving images.
The HEIC file format offers better compression while preserving image
quality.

That may sound terrific, but HEIC is not compatible with certain apps or
devices. Even worse, you might not be able to open a HEIC photo after
moving it from your phone to your computer. So we're going to show you how
to stop taking pictures in HEIC format altogether and how to convert a HEIC
to a JPG if you do shoot in HEIC."

[nospam]

In article <tjegmq$1rjh$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Heron

<McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> "HEIC is a /proprietary file format/ used to store image files."
> "The format was first invented for Apple phones"

that's incorrect.

[badgolferman]

Are you new here? Anything Apple does or says is gospel and never wrong.

[Hank Rogers]

And as for anything else ... It's simply "not needed and nobody
wants it".

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 1:21 PM, nospam wrote:

>> "HEIC is a /proprietary file format/ used to store image files."
>> "The format was first invented for Apple phones"
>
> that's incorrect.

You should deny things more clearly when you deny what HEIC is versus when
you just as wrongly deny what HEIF is (and versus what HEVC comprises).

[1] "/HEIC is Apple's proprietary version of the HEIF/ or High-Efficiency

Image File format." https://backlightblog.com/iphone-heic-to-jpg

[2] "HEIC is a new standard image format introduced by Apple with its 2017
update from iOS 10 to iOS 11. The lossy compressed HEIC format is based on
HEVC (High Efficiency Video Compression), which was also developed by
MPEG." https://www.online-convert.com/file-format/heic

[3] "The real problem [with HEIF] is HEVC encoding, /which is proprietary/
and which is only supplied under license by the MPEG consortium."
https://aiomobilestuff.com/what-is-the-heif-heic-format-and-the-differences-with-jpeg/

Which of the above descriptions are you wrongly denying in your post above?

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 2:01 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>> HEVC/HEIF = Not Needed and Not Used by the vast majority of people.
>>>
>>> The added complexity isn't worth the file size saving for most people.
>>> Just the loss of portability isn't worth the (lossy) gain in compression.
>>>
>>
>> Are you new here? Anything Apple does or says is gospel and never wrong.
>>
>
> And as for anything else ... It's simply "not needed and nobody
> wants it".

It seems the harder the nospam and Jolly Roger posts try to claim that
there is no compatibility problem, the more obvious to all is there is.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 1:06 PM, Heron wrote:
> HEIF is a file format for storing individual images and sequences of the
> image.
>
> HEIC is a [proprietary] container that holds the HEIF images.

"The real problem is HEVC encoding, /which is proprietary/

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 10:40 AM, nospam wrote:

>> False: Only Apple recognises this format so far.
>
> very much false.

"HEIC is Apple's /proprietary/ version of the HEIF Image File format."

https://backlightblog.com/iphone-heic-to-jpg

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 11:46 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> False: Only Apple recognises this format so far. Even my Linux Mint 22
>> is not supporting them. The formats are useless so far.
>
> Wrong. They are standards developed by the Moving Picture Experts Group
> (MPEG).

"The real problem is HEVC encoding - which is proprietary - and which is

[nospam]

In article <tjekrk$1s5e$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Heron

<McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

>
> >> "HEIC is a /proprietary file format/ used to store image files."
> >> "The format was first invented for Apple phones"
> >
> > that's incorrect.
>
> You should deny things more clearly when you deny what HEIC is versus when
> you just as wrongly deny what HEIF is (and versus what HEVC comprises).

you should stop trolling and learn something for once in your life.

> [1] "/HEIC is Apple's proprietary version of the HEIF/ or High-Efficiency
> Image File format." https://backlightblog.com/iphone-heic-to-jpg

that is incorrect.

note that apple, google, microsoft and amazon support it on their
respective clouds.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format#HEIC:_H
EVC_in_HEIF>
High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC, ITU-T H.265)[10] is an encoding
format for graphic data, first standardized in 2013. It is the
primarily used and implied default codec for HEIF as specified in the
normative Annex B to ISO/IEC 23008-12 HEVC Image File Format.

While not introduced formally in the standard, the acronym HEIC
(High-Efficiency Image Container) is used as a brand and in the MIME
subtypes image/heic and image/heic-sequence. If the content conforms
to certain HEVC profiles, more specific brands can be used: HEIX for
Main 10 of HEVC, HEIM for (Multiview) Main profile and HEIS for
(Scalable) Main (10) profile of L-HEVC.

<https://petapixel.com/what-is-an-heic-file/>
As with most image formats, there are several file extensions
associated with HEIC and HEIF files. Apple uses .heic only, while
Canon and Sony prefer .hif. Other file extensions include: .heif,
.heifs; .heic, .heics; .avci, .avcs; .avif, .avifs.
...
While Apple adopted the HEIC file type in 2017, HEIF and HEIC files
already existed before that time with the standard being finalized by
the Moving Pictures Expert Group in 2015. This collaborative effort
also created the video format of the same name, MPEG.
...
iCloud, Google Photos, OneDrive, Adobe Creative Cloud, and Amazon
Photos all support HEIC and HEIF images, making this a nice way to
save on subscription costs. It might even be worthwhile to convert a
JPEG library into HEIC or HEIF before uploading to the cloud to
reduce the amount of storage used.

<https://nokiatech.github.io/heif/technical.html>
HEIF (.heic) 03/2015 ISO/IEC 23008-12

<https://www.iso.org/standard/66067.html>
ISO/IEC 23008-12:2017
Information technology ‹ High efficiency coding and media delivery
in heterogeneous environments ‹ Part 12: Image File Format

[nospam]

In article <tjelnl$9rh$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Heron

<McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> >> False: Only Apple recognises this format so far.
> >
> > very much false.
>
> "HEIC is Apple's /proprietary/ version of the HEIF Image File format."

nope.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 2:27 PM, nospam wrote:
>> You should deny things more clearly when you deny what HEIC is versus when
>> you just as wrongly deny what HEIF is (and versus what HEVC comprises).
>
> you should stop trolling and learn something for once in your life.

You are the one trolling by denying everything you don't like about it.

>
>> [1] "/HEIC is Apple's proprietary version of the HEIF/ or High-Efficiency
>> Image File format." https://backlightblog.com/iphone-heic-to-jpg
>
> that is incorrect.

You need to be more specific when you deny HEIC is proprietary to Apple.

>
> note that apple, google, microsoft and amazon support it on their
> respective clouds.

If you don't know the difference between "supporting it", and it being a
"proprietary format" then you're just proving your ignorance of formats.

> While Apple adopted the HEIC file type in 2017, HEIF and HEIC files
> already existed before that time with the standard being finalized by
> the Moving Pictures Expert Group in 2015. This collaborative effort
> also created the video format of the same name, MPEG.

See the aforementioned cite which implies Apple controls much of the MPEG.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 2:27 PM, nospam wrote:

>> "HEIC is Apple's /proprietary/ version of the HEIF Image File format."
>
> nope.

Q - Is HEIC proprietary?

A - HEIC is Apple's proprietary version of the HEIF High-Efficiency Image
File format.

https://support.trianglemls.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404649122195-How-to-send-photos-from-your-iPhone-as-JPG-not-HEIC

> While Apple adopted the HEIC file type in 2017, HEIF and HEIC files
> already existed before that time with the standard being finalized by
> the Moving Pictures Expert Group in 2015. This collaborative effort
> also created the video format of the same name, MPEG.

See the aforementioned cite which indicates how much Apple monetary
largesse has long ago fatally poisoned the open efforts of the MPEG to the
point that MPEG released the HVEC format which is decidedly proprietary.

[nospam]

In article <tjemla$of1$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Heron

<McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> See the aforementioned cite which implies Apple controls much of the MPEG.

cut back on the drugs.

[nospam]

In article <tjencb$12td$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Heron

<McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> "The real problem is HEVC encoding - which is proprietary - and which is
> only supplied under license by the MPEG consortium."

they license mp4 too.

the usb consortium licenses usb.

kids, don't do drugs.

[Your Name]

If you want a smaller file size, you're better off just lowering the
camera settings. Nobody on the planet needs or wants a
500bazillion-meagpixel image unless they're planning to print a massive
wall-size mural. This obsession with ever-increasing megapixel counts
on consumer-level cameras, let alone mobile phones, is utterly
ridiculous. :-\

[Your Name]

On 2022-10-27 18:15:18 +0000, Heron said:
> On 10/27/2022 1:07 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> You're spreading disinformation
>
> No. You are.
> As for why you spread your disinformation, the why is known only to you.

<snip>

Because "Jolly Roger" and "nospam" don't actually have a single clue
about anything. Pretty much everything they post is misleading rubbish.
That's why those two imbeciles are in my killfile.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-10-27, Heron <McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> On 10/27/2022 1:07 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> You're spreading disinformation
>
> No. You are.

No, you are a chump.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format>
---
High Efficiency Image File Format (HEIF) is a container format for
storing individual digital images and image sequences. The standard
covers multimedia files that can also include other media streams, such
as timed text, audio and video.[citation needed]

HEIF can store images encoded with multiple coding formats, for example
both SDR and HDR images. HEVC is an image and video encoding format and
the default image codec used with HEIF. HEIF files containing
HEVC-encoded images are also known as HEIC files. Such files require
less storage space than the equivalent quality JPEG.[1][2]

HEIF files are a special case of the ISO Base Media File Format
(ISOBMFF, ISO/IEC 14496-12), first defined in 2001 as a shared part of
MP4 and JPEG 2000. Introduced in 2015, it was developed by the Moving
Picture Experts Group (MPEG) and is defined as Part 12 within the MPEG-H
media suite (ISO/IEC 23008-12).
---

Anyone claiming this is a proprietary format is clueless or lying in
order to troll. Either way, they are spreading disinformation.

There's support for these formats on all mainstream operating systems.
Not only do popular image editing/viewing apps like GIMP support them,
but there are various libraries enabling OS-level support for these
formats as well. Anyone claiming to be a *nix user who can't figure out
how to install supporting libraries and/or viewers that support them is
not much of a *nix user.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-10-27, badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heron <McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
>> On 10/27/2022 3:27 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>>> HEVC/HEIF = Not Needed and Not Used by the vast majority of people.
>>
>> The added complexity isn't worth the file size saving for most
>> people. Just the loss of portability isn't worth the (lossy) gain in
>> compression.
>
> Are you new here?

You dip shits can't even tell you are talking to Arlen anymore. : D

[Jolly Roger]

Arlen's a fucking idiot.

News at 10.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-10-27, Heron <McKe...@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> On 10/27/2022 11:46 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> False: Only Apple recognises this format so far. Even my Linux Mint 22
>>> is not supporting them. The formats are useless so far.
>>
>> Wrong. They are standards developed by the Moving Picture Experts Group
>> (MPEG).
>
> "The real problem is HEVC encoding - which is proprietary"

Wrong.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format#HEIC:_HEVC_in_HEIF>
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HEIC: HEVC in HEIF

High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC, ITU-T H.265)[10] is an encoding
format for graphic data, first standardized in 2013. It is the primarily
used and implied default codec for HEIF as specified in the normative
Annex B to ISO/IEC 23008-12 HEVC Image File Format.

While not introduced formally in the standard, the acronym HEIC
(High-Efficiency Image Container) is used as a brand and in the MIME
subtypes image/heic and image/heic-sequence. If the content conforms to
certain HEVC profiles, more specific brands can be used: HEIX for Main
10 of HEVC, HEIM for (Multiview) Main profile and HEIS for (Scalable)
Main (10) profile of L-HEVC.

A HEIC photo takes up about half the space of an equivalent quality JPEG
file.[11] The initial HEIF specification already defined the means of
storing HEVC-encoded intra images (i-frames) and HEVC-encoded image
sequences in which inter prediction is applied in a constrained manner.

HEVC image players are required to support rectangular cropping and
rotation by one, two and three quarter-turns. The primary use case for
the mandatory support for rotation by 90 degrees is for images where the
camera orientation is incorrectly detected or inferred. The rotation
requirement makes it possible to manually adjust the orientation of a
still image or an image sequence without needing to re-encode it.
Cropping enables the image to be re-framed without re-encoding. The HEVC
file format also includes the option to store pre-derived images.[12]

Samples in image sequence tracks must be either intra-coded images or
inter-picture predicted images with reference to only intra-coded
images. These constraints of inter-picture prediction reduce the
decoding latency for accessing any particular image within a HEVC image
sequence track.

The .heic and .heics file name extensions are conventionally used for
HEVC-coded HEIF files.[13] Apple products, for instance,[14] will only
produce files with these extensions, which indicate clearly that the
data went through HEVC encoding.[1]
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You're an idiot, Arlen. : )

[Chris]

Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 27.10.22 um 14:42 schrieb nospam:
>> heif/hevc are *not* mac formats. they are new industry standard
>> formats, more capable than jpeg and widely supported, although not
>> universal, yet.
>
> False:

Incorrect. They are MPEG formats which were first adopted by Apple, but are
non-commercial or proprietary.

> Only Apple recognises this format so far. Even my Linux Mint 22
> is not supporting them. The formats are useless so far.

Adoption has been slow, but that doesn't make them useless.

[Chris]

That's HEVC - for videos - not HEIC - for images - which is not
proprietary.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 9:20 PM, nospam wrote:
>> See the aforementioned cite which implies Apple controls much of the MPEG.
>
> cut back on the drugs.

HEIC is a proprietary format.
HEVC encoding is proprietary & is only supplied under license.

https://aiomobilestuff.com/what-is-the-heif-heic-format-and-the-differences-with-jpeg/

Your argument, apparently, that the MPEG consortium is in some way
completely independent of Apple's machinations, is false and misleading.

But your misleading claims don't even matter since nobody sensible on this
newsgroup promotes the use of these decidedly problematic formats.

Everyone sensible runs away from these file formats as fast as they can.
It's only you and Jolly Roger who promote their use with non-Apple users.

[Heron]

On 10/27/2022 5:24 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC, ITU-T H.265)[10] is an encoding
> format for graphic data

HEIC is a proprietary format.
HEVC encoding is proprietary & is only supplied under license.
https://aiomobilestuff.com/what-is-the-heif-heic-format-and-the-differences-with-jpeg/

Nobody sensible on this newsgroup promotes the use of these decidedly
problematic formats for file transfers among non-Apple computing devices.

Everyone sensible runs away from these file formats as fast as they can.

It's only Jolly Roger & nospam who promote their use with non-Apple users.