Internal documents reveal Apple knew the iPhone 6 was more likely to bend than previous models

[Harry J. Newton]

Internal documents reveal Apple knew the iPhone 6 was more likely to bend
than previous models

"According to the court documents, Apple's internal tests found that the
iPhone 6 was 3.3 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5S, while the
larger iPhone 6 Plus was 7.2 times more likely to bend."

"Things escalated later on when iPhone 6 units began to exhibit "touch
disease," where the touchscreen would fail due to a flaw in specific
touch-controller chips on the motherboard, which some theorized was due to
physical damage from bending iPhones."

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/24/17389220/apple-bendgate-internal-documents-iphone-6-plus

[nospam]

In article <pe72vv$vb9$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Harry J. Newton

<harryj...@anywhere.nowhere.com> wrote:

> "According to the court documents,

according to court documents provided by the plaintiff.

> Apple's internal tests found that the
> iPhone 6 was 3.3 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5S, while the
> larger iPhone 6 Plus was 7.2 times more likely to bend."

longer items are more likely to bend than shorter items. it's called
basic physics.

even if those made up numbers are true, it's still *very* difficult to
bend an iphone. any iphone that has been bent was a deliberate act by
the owner.

meanwhile, android phones are *much* easier to bend than *anything*
apple ever did.

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[Steve Carroll]

I guess this is what happens when really inferior self confidence takes over Steve Carroll's every moment. What did Steve Carroll have to say about this miraculous, years long string of oddities? Most of the time he would try to lead the reader to believe they're long time lurkers who just happened to have knowledge of his trolling but no issue with it. And he expected people to believe this!

I am working on a program which will show off how weak Pulseaudio is.

Are you being stupid on purpose? Ha, ha, ha! It's Steve Carroll's problem but he does not care. Obviously he would rather attack than face reality. Any horribly desperate sleep deprived whacko could easily do the same.

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[Jolly Roger]

"oops..."

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[Steve Carroll]

The pathological liar does it every time. Then the flood begins. Because the wimp just has to run to other groups to get the attention he's not getting here.

Well... like I said, I know the flooder is Steve Carroll, who is a Swift programmer but I don't know if it could be used to automate this. But when the charts were produced, it turns out with absolute proof, Steve Carroll was far more "dishonest" than Allah. Who does NOT know that this kind of garbage is Steve Carroll's MO, not the MO of Allah? It is all just projection... the flooding, the forging, the writing of drivel, the anger... the diaper rash and willingness to show how flustered he is over being booted from the schoolyard for pooping in it again ;)



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What about Plus?

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[Steve Carroll]

And what did Steve 'The Fool' Carroll have to say about this amazing support from new posters? Most of the time he would try to push the advocates to trust they're "honest and honorable" posters who just happened to have knowledge of his trolling but no issue with it. And he expected people to believe this! But when the stats were run, it turns out with absolute proof, Steve 'The Fool' Carroll was far more "dishonest" than even I imagined. A shadow of false Desk Rabbit, projected quickly, at the wrong time. In fact Steve 'The Fool' Carroll's lies became more vile. So needless to say I regret being kind to Steve 'The Fool' Carroll. While I am sure the trolls liked it, he has taught me to never try to appease a troll. Dropping support for Fedora is needed for progress. Desk Rabbit's computer has more scripts than Steve 'The Fool' Carroll's. Desk Rabbit wins. Steve 'The Fool' Carroll loses. Which gives Desk Rabbit better productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction. Just look at what Steve 'The Fool' Carroll has posted and look at mine, there is nothing for anyone to learn from an idiot like Steve 'The Fool' Carroll. But whatever, let him keep making a cretin of himself. I am sure one of his stooges will come to the rescue.

Turns out Steve 'The Fool' Carroll's non-stop flooding comments of Desk Rabbit met that definition, so he insisted that comment of his was forged by Desk Rabbit.

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[Harry J. Newton]

nospam wrote:

> according to court documents provided by the plaintiff.

You nospam, don't keep up with the news.

*Apple today admitted this morning, in court, that they blatantly lied.*
The ramifications will be expensive.

While you Apple Apologists will always fabricate an apology for Apple, and
while Apple lies all the time to its devoted customers, today Apple was
forced to admit in court that they lied (again).

"Today Apple was forced to admit two of its record-breaking models
suffer from a fundamental design defect"

"Apple knew about these structural weaknesses all along."

"Apple's own tests discovered the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus were 3.3x
and 7.2x more likely to bend than its predecessor, the iPhone 5S."

"until today Apple had dismissed there was any sort of problem. It
claimed cases of bending were ´extremely rare¡ and even asked select media
to witness its iPhone testing procedures.

But now we know the real picture.

Apple's court documents reveal that having recognised internally the iPhone
6 and iPhone 6 Plus were at a risk of bending, the company tried to quietly
strengthen all models produced after May 2016 by applying extra epoxy. It
also switched to a stronger Series 7000 aluminium chassis for the iPhone 6S
and iPhone 6S Plus"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/05/24/apple-iphone-problem-iphone-6-iphone-6-plus-bend-touchscreen/#2be28f43115c

[Harry J. Newton]

Ant wrote:

> What about Plus?

Apple admitted today, in court, that they lied.
Again.

"Apple's court documents reveal that having recognised internally the
iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus were at a risk of bending, the company tried to
quietly strengthen all models produced after May 2016 by applying extra
epoxy. It also switched to a stronger Series 7000 aluminium chassis for the
iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus"

"With Apple already facing over 60 class action lawsuits around the world
for its initial cover-up of iPhone performance throttling and internal
documents leaking about iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus hardware problems, this
latest expose couldn┤ come at a worse time. Whether Apple will decide to
settle this case quickly and move on or tie it up in legal action for years
to come, remains to be seen."

"Of course, smartphone fans are a fickle bunch. For those who have already
moved on from the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus, Apple has the perfect all-new
iPhones launching in September to win them over "

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/05/24/apple-iphone-problem-iphone-6-iphone-6-plus-bend-touchscreen

[Harry J. Newton]

Jolly Roger wrote:

> "oops..."

Funny, that's exactly what Apple just said earlier this morning in court
when they admitted they blatantly lied all along about the design defects.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/05/24/apple-iphone-problem-iphone-6-iphone-6-plus-bend-touchscreen/

What I love is how you loyal customers apologize for Apple's own blatant
fabrications, and then you say "ooops" when Apple gets caught in yet
another brazen lie.

[Steve Carroll]

I still remain uncertain that these flooding posts are not from Snit, clearly they are from Owl. Owl gets excited that Snit is on the other end. Imagine if Owl walked up to a lobster and delivered the punch line. It wouldn't be rewarding.

I am working on an idea which will be more than anything Owl can do!

You can say I am Satan himself for all I care. If you have 'some-file.txt' open in a program such as emacs and Owl wants to change its name to 'c.doc' via a GUI menu item, that might be useful.

Owl asked to be rated according to provable trolling measurements, which Snit indulged.

Now let us see knows JavaScript, is a web developer, has forged Snit's account, has passion for this shit and is a colossal immatureloser who posts all kinds of ridiculous crap even when he's not flooding... AND... who works to blame everything he is doing on "Snit" and has for his whole life? Oh my! Right, Owl is pushing to sell a Arch Linux reference, which Snit can get from torrent sites, that anyone can learn from a video. If he could stop being so ignorant he would understand how stupid he is.



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[Your Name]

On 2018-05-25 12:56:18 +0000, Harry J. Newton said:

> Ant wrote:
>
>> What about Plus?
>
> Apple admitted today, in court, that they lied.
> Again.
>
> "Apple's court documents reveal that having recognised internally the
> iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus were at a risk of bending, the company tried to
> quietly strengthen all models produced after May 2016 by applying extra
> epoxy. It also switched to a stronger Series 7000 aluminium chassis for the
> iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus"

<snip>

In at least some reports it says those documents are refering to tests
performed AFTER the customer complaints. That would mean Apple didn't
lie and may not have known before the device went on sale.

Of course, most of the bent phones were caused by morons putting them
in their back pockets and then sitting on them. Of course it'll get
damaged with some fat American arse squashing on it. :-\

[Steve Carroll]

Now that nobody is talking to flatfish, he's making it sound like he's achieved some great victory -- when in fact, people are just finally wisening up to his crap. Just stupid trolling. And I am replying to that trolling. THAT is what the "flatfish circus" is. I'd answer flatfish at once but he is a moron who plays trolling games to effect his yearning to call everyone a con artist. Yup. It seems this is what we have to end. Jerks who clearly have no reason for being here other than to troll.



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[Harry J. Newton]

Your Name wrote:

> In at least some reports it says those documents are refering to tests
> performed AFTER the customer complaints. That would mean Apple didn't
> lie and may not have known before the device went on sale.

The evidence that unambiguously came up in court today clearly
shows Apple *knew* about the problem well *before* launch.

"Koh wrote that "one of the major concerns Apple identified
*prior to launching the iPhones* was that they were
'likely to bend more easily when compared to previous generations'"

To me, I don't care that Apple constantly and brazenly lies to its
customers, since I'm a customer who doesn't think that Apple is any better
(or worse) than any other company in terms of morals - but - it's clear
that Apple customers are EXTREMELY LOYAL - so it's odd that Apple
constantly brazenly lies to them (and they believe the lies each time).

This article published this morning has more details on when Apple knew:
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3a3gg/iphone-6-touch-disease-documents
"Internal Documents Show Apple Knew the iPhone 6 Would Bend"

And the article provides expert accounts which back up the design flaw.

"Many independent repair professionals who specialize in microsoldering
told me that they believe the problem is caused by flexing or bending
associated with normal use, such as taking the phone out of your pocket and
putting it back in. "It's absolutely a problem in the design. End users are
not doing anything to cause this besides using the phone normally".

"After internal investigation, Apple determined underfill was necessary to
resolve the problems caused by the defect," Koh wrote, referring to an
epoxy used to stiffen the logic board. "Apple had used underfill on the
preceding iPhone generation but did not start using it on the [touch
disease-related] chip in the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus until May 2016,"
after millions of iPhones had been sold."

Meanwhile, some of Apple's arguments are pure bullshit, to wit:
"Apple argued ... plaintiff should be excluded because his employer bought
his iPhone for him" as if that matters (legally it might matter - but from
a design flaw standpoint, it's meaningless.

Apple also argued "that consumers could not have been uniformly exposed to
any alleged misinformation or lies of omission because Apple keeps its
iPhone boxes in the back of the iPhone store, where customers aren┤
allowed."

It's yet again, for the umpteenth time, a case of Apple blatantly covering
up huge design flaws and lying about that coverup until they get caught.

[RJH]

On 26/05/2018 03:53, Harry J. Newton wrote:
> Your Name wrote:
>
>> In at least some reports it says those documents are refering to tests
>> performed AFTER the customer complaints. That would mean Apple didn't
>> lie and may not have known before the device went on sale.
>
> The evidence that unambiguously came up in court today clearly
> shows Apple *knew* about the problem well *before* launch.
>
> "Koh wrote that "one of the major concerns Apple identified
> *prior to launching the iPhones* was that they were
> 'likely to bend more easily when compared to previous generations'"
>

'More easily' doesn't necessarily mean 'easily' or even constitute a
problem in normal use.

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[nospam]

In article <peaqga$8pt$1...@dont-email.me>, RJH <patch...@gmx.com> wrote:

> 'More easily' doesn't necessarily mean 'easily' or even constitute a
> problem in normal use.

yep.

anything can bend or break given enough force.

and sometimes, it doesn't need very much force:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTIaUH6PIvo&t=177>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU6Tv-OfXk0&t=155>

[Steve Carroll]

Zeus's behavior is totally entirely dishonest. There is zero ambiguity that as soon as any pardoned 'plonkee' does whatever to confuse the little snowflake's feelings that they will be blocked again.Zeus's posts are nothing but a meaningless prattle.

Zeus does not know if there is a encumbered open source solution.

Just nonsense from him. But Zeus has completely left reason behind and is simply holding me culpable for the acts of himself. Zeus suffers from senile lies so, to him, everything, even simple comments about tech, are "slander". Who doesn't know this? After throwing out all the flooding from Zeus, it's mostly just two flooders making almost all of the trollcrap. Yes. And both altogether deranged maniacs.

You're like the amateur C++ icon on a professionally designed desktop. We all see you sitting there and thinking you are being clever. And you're so dumb you keep repeating it.



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[Harry J. Newton]

RJH wrote:

> 'More easily' doesn't necessarily mean 'easily' or even constitute a
> problem in normal use.

Did you even *read* the reports?
You didn't see the numbers?

We're talking *orders of magnitude* here, namely 3x & 7x for Christs' sake.

Here's a snippet from a recent Macrumors report this week:
"Apple knew that *[EVERY]* iPhone 6 was 3.3 times more likely to bend than
the iPhone 5s, while *[EVERY]* iPhone 6 Plus was 7.2 times more likely to
bend *ahead of the release of the two devices*. Publicly, though, Apple
said that the two devices had been "thoroughly tested" and evaluated for
"strength and durability." Bending, according to Apple, was "extremely
rare" and only happened to a small number of customers." (emphasis mine)
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/24/apple-knew-about-bendgate-and-touch-disease/

Does anyone notice that nobody is saying what the Apple Appologists are
saying (that it was only *some* phones)?

Simple hint about facts:
* If a phone model in testing is orders of magnitude more likely to bend,
then it's orders of magnitude more likely to bend. Period.

All of the reports back up exactly what I say, and none of the reports back
up what you are trying to intimate since the bending is *orders of
magnitude* greater than almost any other phone on the planet.

Remember: I only speak fact.
Apple knew iPhone 6 bent easily, but released it and downplayed issues
https://venturebeat.com/2018/05/24/apple-knew-iphone-6-bent-easily-but-released-it-and-downplayed-issues/
"Apple knew *before launching* the iPhone 6 series that its 4.7-inch and
5.5-inch devices were *considerably more likely to bend* than the iPhone
5s, but continued to downplay the issue -- despite charging users steep
prices for repairs and quietly addressing the problems with engineering
changes."

You Apple Apologists sure as hell are LOYAL customers!
I admire that you loyal customers will apologize for any actual fact.

I think that's because your entire belief system is underpinned by nothing.

All I am speaking are the facts.
a. The fact is *the phones bent _orders of magnitude_ more easily.*
b. The fact is that Apple blatantly and brazenly repeatedly lied to you.

Again.
I only speak fact.

[Harry J. Newton]

Meanie wrote:

> What I love is your continuous attempts of belittling Apple as an
> inferior product when the word "inferior" blatantly radiates from your
> own character.

I only speak fact.

What I love is all I have to do is state proven facts, and you call a
simple proven fact "belittling Apple".

You, and that JR troll, and the Snit troll are different than most people
here since you think I care either way about Apple, Android, Linux,
Windows, etc., simply because I state facts about them all.

The problem you speak of isn't within me.
The problem you speak of is within you.

What is really happening is that you have built your entire belief system
upon a fabrication of imaginary functionality and brazen repeated lies.

When anyone states a fact about Apple - you consider that mere fact a
threat to your entire belief system.

I guess I can't blame you that your belief system is threatened by facts.
But facts they are.

Apple knew the iPhone 6 bent like crazy before it went on sale
https://qz.com/1288272/bendgate-was-real-apple-knew-the-iphone-6-was-very-bendy/

[Snit]

You do not like Apple or their products and use a lot of emotion to
denigrate them. OK. So?

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[Snit]

On 5/26/18 3:27 PM, Harry J. Newton wrote:

> RJH wrote:
>
>> 'More easily' doesn't necessarily mean 'easily' or even constitute a
>> problem in normal use.
>
> Did you even *read* the reports?
> You didn't see the numbers?
>
> We're talking *orders of magnitude* here, namely 3x & 7x for Christs' sake.
>
> Here's a snippet from a recent Macrumors report this week:
> "Apple knew that *[EVERY]* iPhone 6 was 3.3 times more likely to bend than
> the iPhone 5s, while *[EVERY]* iPhone 6 Plus was 7.2 times more likely to
> bend *ahead of the release of the two devices*. Publicly, though, Apple
> said that the two devices had been "thoroughly tested" and evaluated for
> "strength and durability." Bending, according to Apple, was "extremely
> rare" and only happened to a small number of customers." (emphasis mine)
> https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/24/apple-knew-about-bendgate-and-touch-disease/

Do you have evidence they were wrong about it happening to more than a
small number (percent) of customers?

> Does anyone notice that nobody is saying what the Apple Appologists are
> saying (that it was only *some* phones)?
>
> Simple hint about facts:
> * If a phone model in testing is orders of magnitude more likely to bend,
> then it's orders of magnitude more likely to bend. Period.

Sure. But then you twist that to imply that bending was a common issue.
You offer no support for this.

> All of the reports back up exactly what I say, and none of the reports back
> up what you are trying to intimate since the bending is *orders of
> magnitude* greater than almost any other phone on the planet.

This is something you made up... it is more than other iPhones, not ANY

other phone on the planet.

> Remember: I only speak fact.

Why say that RIGHT after you say something that is not a fact? To
convince yourself?

...

[joe]

On 5/26/2018 5:27 PM, Harry J. Newton wrote:
> RJH wrote:
>
>> 'More easily' doesn't necessarily mean 'easily' or even constitute a
>> problem in normal use.
>
> Did you even *read* the reports?
> You didn't see the numbers?

You clearly don't understand the numbers.

>
> We're talking *orders of magnitude* here, namely 3x & 7x for Christs' sake.

"Orders of magnitude" implies multiple powers of ten. Specifically 2
orders of magnitude would be 100X, not the 3-7x called out in the web
page. A single order of magnitude would be 10x, still hogher than you quote.

>
> Here's a snippet from a recent Macrumors report this week:
> "Apple knew that *[EVERY]* iPhone 6 was 3.3 times more likely to bend than
> the iPhone 5s, while *[EVERY]* iPhone 6 Plus was 7.2 times more likely to
> bend *ahead of the release of the two devices*. Publicly, though, Apple
> said that the two devices had been "thoroughly tested" and evaluated for
> "strength and durability." Bending, according to Apple, was "extremely
> rare" and only happened to a small number of customers." (emphasis mine)
> https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/24/apple-knew-about-bendgate-and-touch-disease/
>
> Does anyone notice that nobody is saying what the Apple Appologists are
> saying (that it was only *some* phones)?
>
> Simple hint about facts:
> * If a phone model in testing is orders of magnitude more likely to bend,
> then it's orders of magnitude more likely to bend. Period.

But that was not the case.

>
> All of the reports back up exactly what I say,

No they don't, they say nothing like "orders of magnitude".

and none of the reports back
> up what you are trying to intimate since the bending is *orders of
> magnitude* greater than almost any other phone on the planet.
>
> Remember: I only speak fact.

Only if you distort it, or take it out of context.

> Apple knew iPhone 6 bent easily, but released it and downplayed issues
> https://venturebeat.com/2018/05/24/apple-knew-iphone-6-bent-easily-but-released-it-and-downplayed-issues/
> "Apple knew *before launching* the iPhone 6 series that its 4.7-inch and
> 5.5-inch devices were *considerably more likely to bend* than the iPhone
> 5s, but continued to downplay the issue -- despite charging users steep
> prices for repairs and quietly addressing the problems with engineering
> changes."
>

Nowhere is it said what the spec for being bendable is. Without knowing
the absolute number, 3x and 7x are meaningless.

> You Apple Apologists sure as hell are LOYAL customers!
> I admire that you loyal customers will apologize for any actual fact.
>
> I think that's because your entire belief system is underpinned by nothing.
>
> All I am speaking are the facts.
> a. The fact is *the phones bent _orders of magnitude_ more easily.*

THat is a distortion, you have no evidence to back that up. IF fact,
your quotes dispell that so-called fact of yours

> b. The fact is that Apple blatantly and brazenly repeatedly lied to you.

You have no credible evidence to back that up, either. A blog post is
not evidence of anything other than opinion.

>
> Again.
> I only speak highly

distorted

> fact.
>

[B...@onramp.net]

On Sat, 26 May 2018 22:27:59 +0000 (UTC), "Harry J. Newton"
<harryj...@anywhere.nowhere.com> wrote:
<clip extraneous crap>

>Apple knew the iPhone 6 bent like crazy before it went on sale
>

Who gives a rat's ass what they knew when, other than some ignoramus
who just has to say so?

Wife and I had 6s from their first day and never had ANY problems.
NEVER. I put mine in my pocket daily for years and it never bent.
Now I have the X and no problems there either.

PLONK

[Steve Carroll]

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And, notably, Snit wrote:
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Of course, he also wrote:
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[Snit]

He lied multiple times... then denied his lies.

It is weird how often he does this.

[Snit]

On 5/26/18 5:40 PM, joe wrote:
> On 5/26/2018 5:27 PM, Harry J. Newton wrote:
>> RJH wrote:
>>
>>> 'More easily' doesn't necessarily mean 'easily' or even constitute a
>>> problem in normal use.
>>
>> Did you even *read* the reports?
>> You didn't see the numbers?
>
> You clearly don't understand the numbers.
>>
>> We're talking *orders of magnitude* here, namely 3x & 7x for Christs'
>> sake.
>
> "Orders of magnitude" implies multiple powers of ten. Specifically 2
> orders of magnitude would be 100X, not the 3-7x called out in the web
> page. A single order of magnitude would be 10x, still hogher than you
> quote.

You are exactly right... and embarrassed I missed this obvious lie in
his part.

...

[Steve Carroll]

Both William Poaster and Hawking had their clinkers and their mistakes. But one played it as supernatural and didn't do anything too outrageous that could not be presented as stage magic. Steve Carroll wants to hurt everyone here: If he can't play here then no one will. This is something you merely pretend to understand.

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[Steve Carroll]

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 6:34:02 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:

These types of trolls get their kicks out of triggering responses to their lies, which is the very definition of a troll.

How Snit determines when to use his flood script to best emulate the style of chrisv's posts http://usenet.sandman.net/misc/snit_flood. Don't look now, but I think Snit has a serious obsession with chrisv. Oh goodness, that is just tons of kvetching.

Calls it "attacking" him, even though he continues to provoke that selfsame reaction.

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[Johan]

Op 25-mei-18 om 15:04 schreef Harry J. Newton:

I just liked the Samsung Note 7, great device for starting a camp-fire!
Do you remember that one Harry? Or are you just focused on Apple?

[Steve Carroll]

Come on, hombre... even you have plonked that schmuck. Given what he is nary a soul would blame anyone for wanting to be rid of his stupid style of jive. Do you believe the bullshit Snit is posting? Linus Torvalds is a false advocate's hero. Only what Snit wants matters to Snit. There is nothing you or I can do to change that. It's a mental health problem and it is what it is. Some time ago I did work on and showed some C for the front end (only works on Wayland) which is the only thing you can do when trying to avoid Snit's kiddie crap while reading with Google Groups. I quoted specific examples of Snit failing to rise up and instead putting others down -- blaming me for the actions of others, etc. His response: to blame me. Steven Petruzzellis would never deny the flooder is Snit, who is a demonstrable C developer but I don't know if it could be used to flood so much.

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[Harry J. Newton]

Johan wrote:

> I just liked the Samsung Note 7, great device for starting a camp-fire!
> Do you remember that one Harry? Or are you just focused on Apple?

Here's a rose gold Apple iPhone 6s unlocked going up in smoke! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS-59dxplXo

I'm focused on all common consumer operating systems, where I say the truth
about them all, and I've proven that time and again.

The oddest thing about the Apple Apologists is that you're all like little
mangirls where all you can think about is your "emotion" since you lack any
semblance of logic.

You're all literally filled with hatred for facts, where Jolly Roger is the
poster child for the hateful vitriol for facts of you mangirls who
apologize for iOS.

Your entire purchasing decision was devoid of any facts, so you consider
any facts a threat to the very foundation of your imaginary beliefs.

When I speak facts on Windows, Linux, or Android, the users listen to
facts, agree with facts, and then we work together to ameliorate the many
deficiencies.

On iOS, given the same facts, the little emotional mangirls here all
complain that we're destroying their belief system with facts, and, oddly,
they blame Android (like you just did) for facts that are clearly due to
Apple.

To wit:
a. It's a fact Apple *KNEW* about the huge 3x & 7x propensity to bend
b. It's a fact Apple knew that well *BEFORE* launch
c. It's a fact that Apple blatantly *LIED* for years about those two facts

Yet, even as those facts are proven, you mangirls still apologize for
Apple.

It's commendable how loyal you emotional mangirls really are to Apple.
Very commendable.

You Apple Appologist mangirls don't like facts - but they're still facts.
That's why I love you so much. You prove my point in every post.

[Harry J. Newton]

Meanie wrote:

> LMFAO! Look at you still foaming at the mouth with your insinuation of
> what you think I believe.

Hehhehheh... I only speak facts, and *that* alone, is what riles you up.

> Allow me to state facts. I don't give a fuck about Apple and believe it,
> along with Microsoft and many others, are monopolizing greedy fucks.

Agreed.
You missed Linux, where Canonical screwed up Ubuntu with Unity, for years.

> But
> here's where I differ greatly from your pathetic world. I also don't
> give a fuck about who uses what product they choose to buy, nor visit a
> newsgroup/forum to state claimed facts about that product because I
> don't like it.

Ah, but you must know I purchase Apple products all the time, or, do you
ignore patently obvious facts that don't agree with your imaginary belief
system?

> You see where this is going?

Of course. All Apple Apologists are like little emotional mangirls.

All emotion. And completely devoid of facts.

Hence, I know exactly where you're heading - since you prove my point in
every post.

> Probably not because you are
> an inferior troll who can't walk away from the fact people differ from
> you and use products you may never touch.

Hehhehhehheh ... I probably have purchased more iOS products in my life
than you have. And folks like nospam and even dorayme know this, since I've
proven it time and again.

The only difference between you and me on my iOS purchase is that I *know*
what I'm purchasing - and you clearly do not.

HINT: There's zero app functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android,
while there is so much functionality on Android not on iOS that the list is
literally huge (and we've been down that route many times before to prove
it).

> Here's a good example for your simple mind. I've ridden motorcycles for
> many decades and I do not like Harley Davidson.

I've ridden bikes my entire life, and currently own a K1200 so it will be
interesting to see what your philosophies are on bikes.

> Some of their bikes look
> nice but I've been on them and think they're overpriced crap.

They have their purpose, especially with the old-fogie leather-vested
logo-infested and tattoo-impregnated crowds, but it's more in a show of
two-fisted "iron" and no-longer-attempted-patented sound than it is in
performance and handling. Basically, it's all showmanship.

If you buy a Harley for showmanship, and if you UNDERSTAND that it's all
about showmanship, then you're buying the bike for the right reasons.

> In
> addition, I despise the idiots who still believe and claim they are an
> all American made bike and think all other bikes are crap.

I'd put my K1200 against any Harley on performance, but not on ride comfort
(that thing's a bitch to ride).

> Despite those
> fools, I don't visit the HOG newsgroup or any HD forum to post "facts"
> about the product they choose to ride, even though I can blatantly prove
> that product is not all American made, but more so, because I'm
> comfortable and confident within my own skin and choices to purchase
> what's best for me.

Actually, I'm more comfortable in an Aerostitch.
With the standard hip pads and the optional back support velcroed in.

> Idiots such as yourself suffer from an inferior
> complex where you hide from your own shadow.

Do I?

> You stand out from the
> norm, so you feel the need to attempt belittling those with their
> purchase choices of a product you dislike because it makes you feel
> superior that your choice is better.

Pray tell, since I state the same facts on the Linux, Windows, and Android
newsgroups, why is it that *only the Apple newsgroups hate facts*?

You must understand I've been on Usenet as long as anyone here, where the
Apple fanboys (really mangirls) have *always* been apologists.

The Apple fanboys have always made their purchase based on emotion.

That's why facts hurt you so very much.

Your entire belief system is built upon lies told you by Apple.
All I'm doing is dispelling those lies.

And for simply telling you facts - you *hate* me.
I find that amusing.

And very telling.

> Additionally, you surmise an entire
> imaginary rant of my (and others) beliefs and lifestyle because once
> again, it instills a superior foundation for your feeble and inferior
> mind. I can only laugh at your pathetic attempt and have just an ounce
> of pity since I blame your parents for raising such a pussy.

Every time you mangirls post vitriol in response to mere logical proven
facts, you prove my point ... in spades.

> The only thing worse than an idiot such as yourself are the other idiots
> who continuously bite your baiting attempts and provide you with the
> attention you strive to receive. Yes, part of that is now me for
> responding to your inferior attention seeking whining. That ends now
> with the killfile.

You think I don't understand you; but I do.

> Adios, little bitch.

All you proved is that the iOS user hates facts with such vitriol that they
focus their emotional ire upon the mere messenger of those facts.

Facts threaten your entire belief system.
And I only speak facts.

[Steve Carroll]

Android runs on the Cooledit kernel. So yeah, Cooledit is mobile. Cooledit is a super computer. Cooledit is a server. Cooledit is a desktop. Cooledit is growing in market share. This forum is a cesspool.

Sandman trolls Doomsdrzej. Here is a list of names Jonas Eklundh has admitted he attributes to Doomsdrzej "Cactus Pete", "Donald", "Donald Miller", "Horace McSwain", "Hymen", "meat", "Mike Weaver", "Modena IV Drid", "Omar Murad Asfour", "Rhino Plastee", "Soapy", "SopwithCamel", "Sunny Day", "Takuya Saitoh", "The Letter Q", "tmelmosfire", "zevon". And the herd is stupid enough to believe him.

Who knows JavaScript, is an IT "master", has forged Snit's account, has passion for this shit and is a colossal immature mama's boy who, when he backs himself into a corner, posts ignorant claptrap even when he's *not* flooding... AND... who works to attributes everything he is doing on "others" and has for over a decade?

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[Steve Carroll]

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 8:57:47 AM UTC-7, Harry J. Newton wrote:

What's the group coming to when a Zeus shill can't get any traction? In fact Zeus's lies were quoted time and time again. So needless to say I regret not lashing out at Zeus. While I am sure his wife appreciated it, he has taught me to never try to appease a troll.

Do not get too full of hot air, Zeus, sometimes "advocates" are just that.

Perhaps you use it incorrectly. Do you not comprehend the use of private networks?



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[Johan]

Op 27-mei-18 om 17:57 schreef Harry J. Newton:

> Johan wrote:
>
>> I just liked the Samsung Note 7, great device for starting a camp-fire!
>> Do you remember that one Harry? Or are you just focused on Apple?
>
> Here's a rose gold Apple iPhone 6s unlocked going up in smoke! :)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS-59dxplXo
>

A Samsung Note 7 didn't need hot lava, just did it by itself. Put one in
your pocket next to your balls and let us hear stupid Harry screem.

[B...@onramp.net]

Comparing that video to the combustion of a Samsung is probably the
most definitive example of Harry's stupidity.

[Tyrone F. Horneigh]

In article <v7oogdlu4328ih1ch...@4ax.com>, B...@Onramp.net
wrote:

> Comparing that video to the combustion of a Samsung is probably the
> most definitive example of Harry's stupidity.

As if any more examples are needed.

[Harry J. Newton]

Tyrone F. Horneigh wrote:

> As if any more examples are needed.

The lava example was a joke, and if you didn't get the joke, it simply
proves that *everything* you think about is fabricated out of the lack of
logic in your own mind for heaven's sake.

There are entire threads of Apple phones burning up, so I don't need to
revisit what everyone already knows, just as there are threads of houses
burning up, cars burning up, toasters burning up, and yes, Android phones
burning up.

What you Apple Apologists do, since your entire belief system is built upon
a foundation of lies, is that whenever Apple is caught in a brazen lie, you
try to pin Apple's design defects on Android.

The crackpot nospam does it all the time - he can never man up to facts.

The facts here have NOTHING to do with toasters, or Android, even as you
*try* to deflect blame like a politician deflects accusations of corruption
by pointing at the flaws in other devices.

The facts are clear:
a. Apple *KNEW* about the huge 3x & 7x propensity to bend
b. Apple knew that well *BEFORE* launch
c. Apple blatantly *LIED* for years about those two facts

You can blame Android (and toasters) all you want for Apple's blatant lies,
but that doesn't change the fact that Apple is constantly being caught
fabricating imaginary performance & functionality and then outputting lies
for years, until they're found out.

You Apple Apologists don't like facts because your entire belief system is
based purely on imaginary functionality; but that your belief system leaves
no room for facts doesn't change that they're facts.

[Snit]

On 5/28/18 3:43 PM, Harry J. Newton wrote:
> Tyrone F. Horneigh wrote:
>
>> As if any more examples are needed.
>
> The lava example was a joke, and if you didn't get the joke, it simply
> proves that *everything* you think about is fabricated out of the lack of
> logic in your own mind for heaven's sake.
>
> There are entire threads of Apple phones burning up, so I don't need to
> revisit what everyone already knows, just as there are threads of houses
> burning up, cars burning up, toasters burning up, and yes, Android phones
> burning up.
>
> What you Apple Apologists do, since your entire belief system is built upon
> a foundation of lies, is that whenever Apple is caught in a brazen lie, you
> try to pin Apple's design defects on Android.

How would Android be responsible for something on an iPhone? That makes
no sense. iPhones do not even run Android!

> The crackpot nospam does it all the time - he can never man up to facts.
>
> The facts here have NOTHING to do with toasters, or Android, even as you
> *try* to deflect blame like a politician deflects accusations of corruption
> by pointing at the flaws in other devices.
>
> The facts are clear:
> a. Apple *KNEW* about the huge 3x & 7x propensity to bend

Sure. And you lied about it saying that it was much more (by multiple
factors).

> b. Apple knew that well *BEFORE* launch

Sure.

> c. Apple blatantly *LIED* for years about those two facts

Can you quote this lie? If so, then sure, they lied. But you merely
saying they did is not the same as them doing so.

> You can blame Android (and toasters) all you want for Apple's blatant lies,
> but that doesn't change the fact that Apple is constantly being caught
> fabricating imaginary performance & functionality and then outputting lies
> for years, until they're found out.

Is their lie unquotable?

> You Apple Apologists don't like facts because your entire belief system is
> based purely on imaginary functionality; but that your belief system leaves
> no room for facts doesn't change that they're facts.

You do not like Apple. You have a strong emotional dislike of them.
Sure. So what? Use what you like.

[Johan]

Op 27-mei-18 om 17:57 schreef Harry J. Newton:

You are suffering from a very serious decease, called trumpism. Yelling
about facts and fake news, you are just the same idiot. It is all about
me, me and me.
You will be dumped now, ploink.

[Steve Carroll]

Until Jeff Relf offers up his 'top-of-the-line' FOSS program for testing, there is no challenge, just crazed claims.

Yup. Sadly this is what we have to stop. Cretins who have no reason for being here other than to attack Jesus. Frankly I do not really have any hope. Nobody who isn't just using you for trolling goals (isn't a troll) sees you as anything remotely close to decent. You have few but me to credit for that. You saying something is so does not make it true. I have a custom setup I use as well, but it's a bit different.



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I won't ask DFS how any part of Jeff Relf's rear tastes no matter how regularly DFS kisses it.

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[Harry J. Newton]

Johan wrote:

> You are suffering from a very serious decease, called trumpism. Yelling
> about facts and fake news, you are just the same idiot. It is all about
> me, me and me.
> You will be dumped now, ploink.

You just proved my point that your entire belief system is an imaginary
fabrication of your own brazen creations.

If this is the logic of the average iOS user, I rest my case Your Honor.

[Steve Carroll]

Carroll, 4/10/2015 4:04 PM:
-----
Cute trick... To the guy who hacked my Google account.
-----
No details. Seems to treat it as a joke.

Carroll, 4/10/2015 5:02 PM, <https://goo.gl/51rsmZ>:
-----
Email Hacking Is A Serious Crime
-----
No longer "cute"... now it is a serious crime. OK.

Carroll, 4/10/2015 5:07 PM:
By now he is posting more links to how serious this crime against him is.

Carroll, 4/10/2015 7:25 PM:
-----
I didn't write that.
-----
Now he is denying the posts from his own account. OK, he was "hacked". Someone else posted this. Hard to hack a gmail account given how they use two-step authentication and someone would need access to his phone or the like... but at least POSSIBLE.

Even then, though, if someone tries to guess your password Google alerts you and lets you know what IP address and other info. I know because someone in a Denver internet cafe has tried mine on several occasions.

Google even forces you to change your password when this happens. Very hard to hack these days.

So already Carroll's story is unlikely.

But let us accept it... someone somehow hacked his account bypassing the two step verification. This person did not, however, change his password and Carroll posted within an hour of the "hacker". Before that, unless he is an idiot, he changed his password and the "hacker" was locked out. The "hacker" got one post in.

But Carroll could not leave his story there.

Carroll, 4/10/2015 8:36 PM, <https://goo.gl/NJ2bMH>:
-----
Someone hacked my fretwizzer gmail acct so, for the time being,
don't trust anything from it.
-----
Wait. What? Even after Carroll figured out this "hacker" who was too stupid to change his password had broken into his account and Carroll *surely* must have changed his own password, he is saying the "hacker" might still have access. Might be able to break Google's two-step verification process *again*.

This is *very* unlikely... to the point of being unbelievable.

Even worse for him: he notes which of his accounts he is claiming was hacked - but in the past he has denied even using the other accounts! LOL! He screwed up and made it very clear he has multiple accounts and felt the need to note which one. He made the same mistake in the next quote where he speaks of WHICH of his gmail accounts he is claiming was hacked. Oops! If he only posts with one there would be no need to specify which one!

He has completely screwed up in his game to pretend he posts with only one gmail account. Completely idiotic of him, too!

Carroll, 4/10/2015 8:38 PM, <https://goo.gl/YA7gMO>:
-----
Some mentally deficient child hacked my 'fretwizzer' gmail account
so I may have to kill it. For the time being, don't assume
anything that's coming from it was written by me.
-----
He is still saying that he may have to kill the account instead of just changing the password which anyone with half a brain would have already done (and Google *forces* you to do when someone even tries to hack your account... I know because someone in the Denver area has tried to hack mine multiple times... likely Carroll but I have no proof of this). And he specifies WHICH of his accounts! He is directly admitting he uses more than one account! His claim of being "forged" with his second account is a lie. Proved.

Carroll, 4/10/2015 8:40 PM, <https://goo.gl/j6yCuV>:
-----
Looks like it's still being hacked despite me taking precautions,
I may have to kill the account.
-----
What makes it look like its still being hacked? And what precautions other than changing the two-step verification options does he need? And how would someone bypass this... is he really on the NSA watch list? Seems you would need someone at that level to be doing this. He watches too much TV where they computer hackers spend thirty seconds and bypass all security.

Just nonsense.

Carroll, 4/11/2015 12:05 PM:
-----
Apparently Google is having issues with their accounts to the
point where they're ready to undertake some additional measures.
-----
But, of course, no evidence of this... and what measures? They already alert users if someone else tries to guess your password and use two-step authentication and even force you to make a new password if it seems someone is trying to hack you.
-----
They're now involving several federal agencies in things they
didn't bother with previously in an effort to deal with people who
hack into accounts. They've asked me to leave the account open.
-----
So now Google is letting Carroll know how they are handling these things - and asking him to leave a *hacked* account open... one someone can be using to steal his identity. No. This does not pass the sniff test in any way. Even if they were doing this for some bizarre sting operation, which is in itself far fetched, they would have told Carroll to not make it public information so the hacker would not know.

Just insanity. His own story is so idiotic and full of idiotic claims it simply cannot be true. Carroll uses his secondary Google account - the one he accesses via Tor and is referred to as his Tor account - to have plausible deniability for things he says there. Now he is working to do the same thing with his main account. Maybe Carroll read a report like this: <http://cnnmon.ie/111QeT8> [money.com]. If so he missed the part where they note if you are *really* hacked, which is rare, the hackers change your password and lock you out. Why would they not?
-----
There's some new legislation that will help them deal with this
issue... which probably means more BS for us ;)
-----
Yes, new legislation to make sure Carroll does not have to deal with "hackers" and "forgers" which do not even exist.

The funny part is, this happened shortly after someone in the Denver area, likely Carroll, tried to guess *my* passwords and they did it from an Internet café (Google tells you the IP and that can be used to trace back).

My guess: Carroll is the one who was working to guess my password and figured this new lie of his was a good way to deny his own words even more than he does with his Tor account *and* a way to make it so if I had talked about him trying to hack my account he could say I was just copying his comments. "Proving" I read his posts... which for now I am to see how absurd his lies are. :)

Carroll, 4/11/2015 12:25 PM:
-----
The person who hacked into my Gmail acct. changed the wording on
this post. I've removed the others but Google asked me to leave
one standing for some odd reason.
-----
Here Carroll claims the hacker changed the wording on a post of his from *before* he had even claimed he was hacked. So this hacker not only can *post* for him but edit his old Usenet posts.

I call utter bullshit on this. Out and out lie from Carroll. And then Carroll says Google asked him to not delete these "hacked" posts... this is nonsense. Why would Google want him to leave forged posts in the public and why would Google not just keep their own copy? Even Carroll notes it is for "some odd reason" - yeah, because Carroll is telling stories that make *no* sense at all.

Carroll is lying. Maybe there is some kernel of truth to his stories? Even if so - and frankly it is unlikely he will ever show any evidence to back his claims - the details he is posting are absurd.

Carroll, 4/11/2015 2:10 PM:
-----
And he's so high he thinks people still have to manually enter all
their passwords in whenever they want to use anything that's been
password protected ;)
-----
Nobody had suggested, hinted, implied, or said anything like what Carroll says they did.

Maybe his story will be someone stole his laptop (or mobile device) and he had his passwords saved? If so why not have the device deactivated remotely? Why has he not said anything about this?

My guess: he realizes he screwed up when trying to guess my passwords and is now building a story so he can say his computer was stolen and it was not him. Or, LOL, maybe someone broke into his house and did it.

This unknown hacker knew he was obsessed with me and carried on acting like him. Makes complete sense, eh?

Carroll, 4/12/2015 8:45 AM, <https://goo.gl/KMf4pa>:
-----
The first one, that has since been deleted. My bad for having such
a feeble password on this account.
-----
Now he suggests it was merely from someone guessing his password - which contradicts his above insinuations that it could have been from a saved password on a device he had.

His story changes with the telling.

But as noted, when someone tries to guess your password Google has ways to deal with it. I know - Carroll or someone in his neck of the woods recently tried it with me.

Carroll, 4/12/2015 9:29 AM:
-----
The account in question here is a gmail account. Contrary to
Snit's delusions, I have no idea what a TOR account looks like but
it's a good bet it doesn't bear much of a resemblance to a gmail
account.
-----
Here Carroll plays stupid and pretends that if when he or anyone uses the Tor browser *Carroll* pointed to this somehow changes the way the gmail interface looks. Um, no. Worse it might do is make Google think you are in another country and you would have to set it back to English. But the basic look stays the same.

He is playing stupid and pretending to not know how the Tor browser he pointed to works. Just idiotic of him.
-----
That idiocy aside, I love how Snit has repeatedly, for years,
feigned ignorance about gmail accounts, yet, he keeps disclosing
info that proves he knows about them. Some fools do stuff like
this when they believe people are as stupid as the fool needs them
to be ;)
-----
I do not think Google would allow you to edit your Usenet / groups posts but I do not use it much and do not know for sure. Seems absurd that they would... and others have now said they do not. But given how I do not use Google Groups for posting why would I know the details of their system for certain?

Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:47 PM:
-----
Your obsession with me is insane. Working with Google I now have
proof you and ebot worked together to hack me. Clever. If I press
charges against you I have to also include her so you remain safe
for now.

Do not think this is over.
-----

No evidence of working with Google on this (and all out and out lies). Carroll is making public threats based on lies.

Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:50 PM:
-----
I promised COLA your trolling days were over so you contacted ebot
and worked with her to hack my account. I might not be able to get
your ass handed to you in court over this but wait until your boss
at Yavapai College contacts you.

Maybe you should make that call first. Ask about your comments on
incest.

See if those can not be quoted.
-----

Direct lies and threats by Carroll.

Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:51 PM:
-----
You went too far this time Snit. We have trolled each other for
years but to contact ebot and get her to help you hack my account
was over a line.
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A complete and utter lie from Carroll.

Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:52 PM:
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The above post is Snit hacking my account.
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A complete and utter lie... more false accusations from him.

Carroll, 6/16/2015 8:53 PM:
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You edited those posts when you hacked my account. Do not trust
anything from my fretwizzer account now that Snit and ebot have
access to it.
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More unsupported claims and attacks by Carroll.

Carroll, 4/16/2015 8:56 PM:
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Working with Google I now have proof Snit and ebot hacked the
account. Many of the older posts were edited. You can see evidence
of this by Snit pointing to "old" posts which have been modified to
say I claimed I was his "personal newsgroup rapist", a phrase I
have never used.
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No evidence of Carroll working with Google. No evidence of any older posts being edited.

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[Snit]

Actually he is quite correct. You make absurd claims about tech and
grandiose claims about yourself. Your feelings of self-worth come from
putting others down. You are clearly not well.

[Steve Carroll]

How is FileZilla on Linux doing anything above the lowest common denominator?

It's like a prank call. Larry Washington has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say is beside the point. What Steve Carroll says just a reaction.

Generally, I don't call a comment like Larry Washington's claims a fabrication right up until you disprove it and he responds with the same thing again because even he knows the details are wrong.

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